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• 37[00:24:37] <fizzbuzz> How do I install a new desktop?
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• 40[00:26:40] <bug> fizzbuzz, the easiest way is to re-run tasksel
• 41[00:26:42] <awal1> fizzbuzz, apt-get update && apt-get install your-desktop-of-choice
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• 43[00:27:07] <awal1> kde, gnome, mate, cinnamon, lxqt, lxde, xfce
• 44[00:27:15] <awal1> and a bunch of window managers
• 45[00:27:38] <fizzbuzz> Sweet, thanks
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• 47[00:27:47] * bug recommends mate
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• 49[00:28:11] <awal1> xfce
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• 51[00:28:50] <squigz> i3 best wm
• 52[00:29:30] <awal1> openbox/fvwm
• 53[00:29:33] <awal1> :P
• 54[00:29:42] <awal1> !editor war
• 55[00:29:42] <dpkg> i heard editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice
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• 77[00:40:52] <awal1> trying to force airodump-ng to not log so I do "airodump-ng -c X --bssid X -w psk wlan0 airodump-ng -c 11 --bssid 04:BF:6D:58:DC:E0 -w psk wlan0" for testing concerns but it won't work; airodump still spamming my user home. whta am I missing here?
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• 80[00:41:13] <awal1> excuse the confusion
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• 83[00:41:59] <awal1> trying to force airodump-ng to not log so I do for example "airodump-ng -c 11 --bssid 04:BF:6D:58:DC:E0 -w psk wlan0" for testing concerns but it won't work; airodump still spamming my user home. whta am I missing here?
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• 86[00:43:11] <awal1> ( channel and bssid are fictive )
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• 131[00:59:13] <awal1> corecting my previous question: for testing reasons I want airodump to not spam my home dir, instead send all logs to dev null. so I do "airodump-ng -c X --bssid X -w psk interface > /dev/null 2>&1" but airodump still ignoring log redirection. What I am missing here?
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• 141[01:05:23] <johnkeates> how do I make gnome recognise another directory as a container for mountpoints? I'm mounting my ZFS stuff on /ZFSVolumes/<name> and instead of changing that to /media/something/zfs-vol-name I'd like to tell gnome to consider /ZFSVolumes/* as a bunch of mountpoints
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• 143[01:05:32] <johnkeates> (running stretch)
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• 148[01:06:54] <pinkos> hi, is there a way to calibrate the display in debian mate?
• 149[01:07:02] <pinkos> or how i can fiddle with the colors manuall
• 150[01:07:05] <pinkos> manually?
• 151[01:07:16] <pinkos> colors look washed out on my x200
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• 153[01:08:18] <johnkeates> From the interwebs: Look for the Device ID line of your monitor. If this is e.g. xrandr-Lenovo Group Limited, start calibration with the command: gcm-calibrate --device "xrandr-Lenovo Group Limited"
• 154[01:08:32] <johnkeates> lprof is another option
• 155[01:08:42] <johnkeates> most stuff just works and delivers an icc to colord
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• 158[01:09:21] <johnkeates> this is for arch but probable works accross any colord install: replaced-url
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• 162[01:10:43] <awal1> pinkos, anything wrong with your display colors or what exactly?
• 163[01:10:54] <pinkos> awal1 blacks dont really look black
• 164[01:10:59] <pinkos> more like washed out gray
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• 166[01:11:40] <awal1> pinkos, nvm, so
• 167[01:11:54] <bug> lower brightness, raise contrast?
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• 171[01:12:18] <awal1> I thought you may be referring to screen color temperature
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• 173[01:12:43] <pinkos> that too awal1
• 174[01:12:50] <pinkos> id like all the colors to be as accurate as possible
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• 176[01:13:35] <awal1> for screen color temperature I use 'sct' utility (for gui you have 'redshift'
• 177[01:13:58] <awal1> "sct 4500" for example from termial
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• 190[01:20:01] <Lyberta> hi, I'm trying to create persistent live usb drive with encrypted root, I used deboostrap to install the base system but now I'm getting "mount: mounting /dev/mapper/encrypted_root on /root failed: No such device", help?
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• 197[01:21:33] <Lyberta> btw I've skipped makedev in the debian manual page because I thought that udev is supposed to do this, do I need to invoke MAKEDEV? what static devices do I need on a live usb?
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• 248[02:00:08] <rant> Lyberta: sounds like you're doing it the hard way and if you're not merely doing this as academic exercise I recommend just installing normally to the thumbdrive using debian-installer its how I made my encrypted system on a usb drive and its much easier
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• 254[02:02:11] <rant> actual "live" systems are a PITA anyhow.. its not only harder to set up initially, its harder to change later.. if you just treat the thumbdrive like a normal HDD and install to it from D-I you can just use it like a normal install
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• 260[02:09:27] <Lyberta> rant, it looks like I simply didn't enable f2fs module in iniramfs because I see unencrypted block device in iniramfs console
• 261[02:09:30] <Lyberta> brb
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• 265[02:10:04] <pinkos> does anyone here have an x200?
• 266[02:10:27] <pinkos> im trying to find the edid for it
• 267[02:10:34] <pinkos> but the get-edid call isnt working
• 268[02:11:31] <rant> pinkos: hows it attached to the system?
• 269[02:11:49] <pinkos> rant its a laptop panel
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• 271[02:12:34] <rant> pinkos: are you sure the LVDS connector is seated right?
• 272[02:12:57] <pinkos> yes rant
• 273[02:13:03] <rant> I seen that sort of thing a lot with VGA connectors.. sometimes pins get bent or pushed back into the connector.. could cause edid failure or color problems etc..
• 274[02:14:05] <rant> with laptops however its more common the connector just starts to come loose
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• 276[02:14:21] <pinkos> rant the colors are okay, they just arent calibrated
• 277[02:14:40] <pinkos> red is red, and green is green, etc, but it just needs to be better
• 278[02:15:00] <rant> what sort of graphics card do you have?
• 279[02:15:20] <pinkos> rant built in intel
• 280[02:15:41] <rant> ah.. not sure other than those sorts of generic utils you already been recommended
• 281[02:16:22] <rant> the nvidia control panel has a "digital vibrance" as well as various other color correction things.. usually the mfg's utils control that crap well
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• 283[02:17:15] <rant> I use xrandr to adjust mine but mostly I just want to go beyond the brightness thresholds of my HW
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• 289[02:18:11] <rant> like when watching something at night I use brightness values of less than 1 like 0.4 or such which I can't do using my Fn keys or the panel applet for brightness
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• 293[02:19:31] <rant> That digital vibrance crap though is one of many reasons I like nvidia.. makes colors pop in a way that makes all other systems look generic by comparison :P
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• 299[02:22:05] <pinkos> is there a gnome-color-manage equicalent for mate
• 300[02:22:07] <pinkos> ?
• 301[02:22:24] <pinkos> gnome-color-manager equivalent for mate
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• 305[02:23:29] <awal1> pinkos aptitude search mate | less and check
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• 319[02:33:28] <k-man> has anyone had success installing debian onto 2 drives in raid1 with uefi boot? do i have to manually partition the drives to acheive that?
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• 327[02:38:16] <rant> pinkos: this dispcalgui thing seems to be pretty advanced.. might check that out
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• 329[02:39:28] <pinkos> yeah iwas looking at that rant but i couldnt find it because it had been renamed to DisplayCAL :)
• 330[02:39:31] <pinkos> thanks
• 331[02:41:48] <rant> doesnt seem like I can really do anything with it on my system
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• 361[02:55:06] <ryan-c> any idea why `apt update` would be running very very slowly? I've tried a couple different mirrors and I have a fast internet connection.
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• 364[02:58:22] <ryan-c> Fetched 13.6 MB in 5min 29s (41.3 kB/s) < on a gigabit connection to a mirror that seems fast
• 365[02:58:41] <ryan-c> apt upgrade is fast
• 366[02:58:42] <rant> ryan-c: you in the US?
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• 369[02:59:00] <ryan-c> rant: yes
• 370[02:59:13] <rant> ryan-c: try mirrors.kernel.org its usually pretty damn quick
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• 372[03:01:51] <ryan-c> hmm, i suspect it may just be crawling because I'm using a usb flash drive for my filesystem
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• 377[03:02:33] <ryan-c> also / is mounted sync
• 378[03:02:56] <rant> yes well updating the db could be the bottleneck
• 379[03:03:21] <rant> especially if you know fetching packages from the mirror is quick
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• 383[03:04:31] <bug> you can install netselect and run it to find your fastest mirror.
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• 385[03:05:30] <rant> ,i netselect
• 386[03:05:31] <judd> Package netselect (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: speed tester for choosing a fast network server. Version: 0.3.ds1-28+b1; Size: 31.2k; Installed: 69k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 390[03:07:54] <rant> !netselect-apt
• 391[03:07:55] <dpkg> netselect-apt uses <netselect> to determine the fastest Debian mirror respective to your location, then writes a sources.list file for use with <apt>. See also <apt-spy>.
• 392[03:08:15] * rant updated the old deprecated apt-spy factoid to reference this one
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• 404[03:16:59] <what_if> I cant get VLC to play my h264 files in my new Debian install. What mackages do I need? Have tried every combination I could find, nothing tho.
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• 407[03:17:36] <what_if> error is: VLC could not decode the format "h264" (H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10))
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• 414[03:19:09] <Sir_Designer> sounds like codec is not present. try to download from website?
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• 443[03:26:41] <what_if> Sir_Designer: something is goofy, this worked on an older version of debian
• 444[03:27:03] <Sir_Designer__> borked packaging, whasnoo
• 445[03:27:16] <what_if> maybe I should install Mint? Is it based on Debian or Ubuntu?
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• 447[03:28:01] <what_if> the box I'm working on is going to play videos using VLC, thats its only job :)
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• 451[03:30:28] <what_if> ...cuz my workstation laptop drank a Ginger Ale, then got the gremlins...
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• 466[03:40:40] <rant> is there any way to get more info on why an app segfaulted after the fact? I never had gimp crash on a system that didnt have a memory leak
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• 470[03:42:22] <rant> afaik the only way to do that is to have kernel level accounting or wrap the program in a debugger to catch it during the event
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• 488[03:51:41] <gabrielschulhof> Hello! How do I go about installing a debootstrap for armv7?
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• 490[03:52:11] <gabrielschulhof> I installed debootstrap --foreign --arch=armel and that's armv4.
• 491[03:52:26] <gabrielschulhof> Does armv7 have a different arch name?
• 492[03:52:48] <rant> gabrielschulhof: armhf
• 493[03:53:04] <rant> iirc.. can verify if you want me to be sure..
• 494[03:53:11] * rant has a pi
• 495[03:53:38] <gabrielschulhof> rant: NP. I'll try armhf. Getting a debootstrap up and running is pretty fast. Thanks!
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• 497[03:54:21] <rant> gabrielschulhof: I seem to recall seeing that descrepency of armhf vs arm7l in the infos on my opilite
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• 499[03:57:06] <fizzbuzz1> Anyone know a good irc channel for just chatting?
• 500[03:57:48] <annadane> !chat
• 501[03:57:48] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 502[03:57:59] <rant> fizzbuzz1: not really.. there are plenty of more social channels on here but most of them are either not very friendly, very idle, or have some sort of loose topic
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• 520[04:09:29] <gabrielschulhof> rant: armhf appears to be correct.
• 521[04:09:50] <rant> gabrielschulhof: I was fairly sure, but I'd have had to check dpkg on the pi to be certain ;)
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• 530[04:13:03] <rant> gabrielschulhof: I'm not sure as to the reason for the change in arch names but I would guess it had to do with the fact that so many different hw came out that all had something in common.. like I think the hf is for hard-float which I suppose is the main feature difference which is supported by more than just arm7l
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• 565[04:42:00] <gabrielschulhof> How can I get around debootstrap's second stage hanging at "I: Unpacking the base system..."
• 566[04:42:03] <gabrielschulhof> ?
• 567[04:42:54] <somiaj> gabrielschulhof: is this from the installer or you trying to debootstrap on a running system?
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• 569[04:43:33] <gabrielschulhof> somiaj: This is /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage once I'm chrooted into the system.
• 570[04:43:34] <Rooot> hello, I got tons of errors installing scipy: replaced-url
• 571[04:43:46] <gabrielschulhof> somiaj: I've mounted /proc and I've copied over /etc/resolv.conf
• 572[04:44:20] <Rooot> all shown in red starting with 'Exception:'
• 573[04:45:01] <gabrielschulhof> somiaj: OK, weird. I suspended the process for a bit, and when I resumed it, it resumed *shrug*
• 574[04:45:04] <somiaj> Rooot: any reason you aren't install these from debian packages?
• 575[04:45:36] <somiaj> gabrielschulhof: I was going to suggest looking at io trafic next, maybe there was some iowait going on causing the unpacking to pause.
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• 577[04:46:07] <rant> somiaj: this is a foreign arch debootstrap
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• 579[04:46:23] <somiaj> rant: ahh, I missed that.
• 580[04:46:34] <gabrielschulhof> somiaj: Yeah, sorry. I didn't mention it.
• 581[04:46:42] <gabrielschulhof> somiaj: It's armhf on x86_64.
• 582[04:46:51] <gabrielschulhof> ... via qemu-arm-static.
• 583[04:47:46] <somiaj> Rooot: but the last error just seems like you had some network problem downloading the file, trying again may work.
• 584[04:48:12] <rant> yeah I got no experience on this.. but the 2nd stage I'd imagine requires you actually do it ON the arch.. but the qemu should satisfy that I suppose.. just thought it worth mentioning in debugging
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• 588[04:49:00] <Rooot> somiaj, it did, indeed! thank you so much for hinting at it! :)
• 589[04:49:18] <somiaj> yea, I guess there could be some other thing pusing, but the unpacking stage makes me wonder still if it was some io issue, though could be the combination of io and the emulation.
• 590[04:50:10] <Rooot> somiaj, I tried a second time, and it happened this time with the second download, but then it worked at the third
• 591[04:51:10] <somiaj> yea, something either up with your network or the mirror you are pulling teh packages from
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• 594[04:54:16] <Rooot> somiaj, right, most likely. all done now :)
• 595[04:55:04] <Rooot> there is another unusual output I get from 'apt update'; a lot of lines showing duplicates in sources files; replaced-url
• 596[04:55:52] <Rooot> referring to multiple configs in the update repos of main, security and non-free
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• 598[04:56:17] <Rooot> it comes at the end of each update
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• 608[05:05:38] <somiaj> Rooot: check your /etc/apt/sources.list file and all files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d for duplicates
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• 611[05:10:26] <Rooot> somiaj, I did, but there are only usual repo entries of main, security etc.
• 612[05:10:37] <Rooot> nothing duplicate
• 613[05:11:28] <somiaj> even inside other files in the directory I pointed at?
• 614[05:12:06] <somiaj> though you should maybe share your sources.list file, the warning tell you exactly what lines are multiple
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• 618[05:13:12] <Rooot> somiaj, a short search showed that it was not an uncommon error, even with proper source files
• 619[05:14:46] <Rooot> replaced-url
• 620[05:14:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 621[05:15:25] <somiaj> ahh, well that is good
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• 625[05:16:24] <Rooot> but I cant start anything with it, I dont know what to do on my system to fix it
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• 891[08:50:12] <mcfrisk> Hi, I'm trying to recreate debian chroots reproducibly but ran into this problem with apt: E: Release file for replaced-url
• 892[08:50:40] <mcfrisk> how can this be disabled so that snapshots can be used to recreate old chroots?
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• 899[08:59:16] <mcfrisk> ok, answer seems to be -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false to apt
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• 903[09:02:11] <OS-37526> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY hackme
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• 912[09:04:04] <OS-37526> /msg NickServ REGISTER hackme cybergeek119@gmail.com
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• 929[09:06:53] <OS-37526> how to change email add
• 930[09:06:55] <OS-37526> ?
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• 949[09:13:50] <spir> Hi all, I just added some ipfailover to my network settings. but now when I perform an "ifconfig" I get this error: DE: error fetching interface information: Device not found
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• 1006[09:43:03] <spir> Any how to debug a network conf. error on debian 9? I'm having "DE: error fetching interface information: Device not found when performing" "ifconfig"
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• 1011[09:45:11] <alive> 09:44 <alive> NOT people
• 1012[09:45:12] <alive> 09:44 -!- bots: No such nick/channel
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• 1016[09:46:30] <jolt> alive: if you run "ip link list", is the interface even seen?
• 1017[09:46:57] <jolt> alive: My guess it that your interface isn't found by the kernel
• 1018[09:47:03] <p0g0> spir^
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• 1021[09:47:15] <alive> Yeah that shows all of my interfaces, including the vlan if's and bridges.
• 1022[09:47:52] <p0g0> spir: dmesg show anything funny, renames, errors?
• 1023[09:48:31] <spir> I have added 7 ip (failover) to the network settings. I'm checking the ouput of the command
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• 1027[09:50:04] <jolt> spir: You have added what, where?
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• 1029[09:50:18] <spir> p0g0: sorry n00b here, this command shows sys logs right?
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• 1031[09:50:38] <jolt> spir: Kernel messages, yes
• 1032[09:50:49] <jolt> (and use dmesg -T to see timestamp instead of seconds)
• 1033[09:50:59] <spir> I have added some [Address] in the /etc/systemd/network/50-default.network file
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• 1036[09:51:56] <jolt> wait what? Debian uses /etc/network/interfaces for configuration normally. What type of guide did you follow?
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• 1039[09:52:22] <spir> I'm using Debian 9, it's different now
• 1040[09:52:27] <p0g0> spir: if you invoke those individual interfaces (ifup IF), do you get errors on any of them.
• 1041[09:52:39] <spir> ifup IF
• 1042[09:52:51] <p0g0> the IF is the interface name
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• 1046[09:54:12] <spir> ifup: couldn't open interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces": No such file or directory
• 1047[09:54:13] <spir> I'm not sure but I think this won't work on Debian 9
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• 1049[09:54:46] <spir> I load network settings using: systemctl restart systemd-networkd
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• 1053[09:55:17] <spir> Maybe ifconfig is not available on Debian 9 either
• 1054[09:55:41] <p0g0> spir search up "debian stretch ifup"
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• 1056[09:55:49] <p0g0> you'll see the docx
• 1057[09:56:01] <spir> all right p0g0
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• 1064[09:57:38] <spir> p0g0: "In the Debian release notes there's a section about the fact that ifconfig has been deprecated for well over a decade now, and is not included in new installs anymore starting with Stretch"
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• 1068[09:59:26] <p0g0> spir: as root, invoke "which ifconfig"
• 1069[09:59:43] <p0g0> you should get a listing in /sbin
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• 1076[10:02:50] <preview> hi I'm getting an error trying to apt update, something regarding the tmp folder? "Err:7 replaced-url
• 1077[10:02:52] <preview> Couldn't create temporary file /tmp/apt.conf.fLITnZ for passing config to apt-key
• 1078[10:02:54] <preview> "
• 1079[10:02:56] <preview> I've made /tmp 777 but that didn't seem to help
• 1080[10:03:23] <p0g0> preview: df shows free space on /tmp?
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• 1085[10:04:59] <preview> p0g0: yeah, tons of space. it _is_ symlinked to another drive though, whihch hasn't caused probnlems in the past but maybe now is affecting something?
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• 1088[10:05:42] <jolt> preview: chmod 1777 is the correct for tmp
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• 1090[10:06:05] <spir> p0g0: /sbin/ifconfig
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• 1092[10:06:15] <p0g0> preview: that would be easy to test.
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• 1094[10:06:33] <preview> jolt: no luck after using those permissions either
• 1095[10:06:34] <p0g0> Just unlink it, and make a dir on the local HD.
• 1096[10:06:43] <spir> p0g0: maybe ifconfig is deprecated in Debian 9 as well, but I had results before setting my network config (those new IP are working btw)
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• 1098[10:07:04] <p0g0> spir: what did you do to make them work?
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• 1101[10:08:11] <preview> p0g0: nope, even with a local folder it gives the same error
• 1102[10:08:28] <jolt> spir: I have no idea where you got the impression that /etc/network/interfaces isn't used any more, but I'm 99.999% sure you are wrong, and therefor making stuff harder for yourself. But you're the boss of your systems, so nevermind,
• 1103[10:08:42] <spir> I just added a block per IP. ie:
• 1104[10:08:42] <spir> [Address]
• 1105[10:08:42] <spir> Address=ww.xx.yy.zz/32
• 1106[10:08:43] <spir> to the network file /etc/systemd/network/50-default.network
• 1107[10:08:46] <p0g0> he got it running...
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• 1109[10:09:55] <jolt> Yeah, but it's impossible to support in #debian
• 1110[10:10:04] <p0g0> preview: for grins, you as a user, can create that file in /tmp without error?
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• 1117[10:13:14] <tdn> jelly, "UseDNS no" i already default in sshd_config. So that is not it.
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• 1121[10:14:52] <tdn> jelly, (this was regarding your response to my question yesterday about warnings like these in syslog: corvina sshd[64922]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 7: can't verify hostname: getaddrinfo(cursosacademia.magnet.cl-1508371802559-2gb-nyc3-01, AF_INET) failed
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• 1128[10:16:44] <preview> p0g0: for whatever reasson that worked for me, after removing all symlinks and just making a default folder in /
• 1129[10:16:48] <preview> thnaks for the hlp
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• 1131[10:17:17] <tdn> jelly, I assmue that by using "Usedns no" you expected sshd to not send the dns name to tcpwrapper. But that does not appear to be the case. I think it needs to be a setting in tcpwrapper. Because it is tcpwrapper that reads hosts.allow, right?
• 1132[10:17:20] <p0g0> oh, it was a soft-link thing then...
• 1133[10:17:24] <p0g0> yw
• 1134[10:17:27] <jelly> tdn: yeah
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• 1137[10:19:50] <jelly> tdn: but tcp_wrapper is a library sshd is built against, and there's no obvious tunable in sshd_config(5)
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• 1139[10:20:19] <tdn> jelly, so there are no way to prevent these warnings in the logs? There are, like, a lot.
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• 1141[10:21:02] <tdn> jelly, and you asked if I have brute force prevention. This IS my brute force prevention. By only allowing trusted addresses connect. I have hosts.deny with ALL: ALL and then an explicit whitelist in hosts.allow.
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• 1143[10:21:53] <tdn> And also only allow key based auth.
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• 1154[10:32:06] <jelly> tdn: as you've found out, tcp_wrappers do not prevent establishing a tcp connection
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• 1164[10:41:24] <tdn> jelly, yeah, but merely establising a tcp connection does not do much ssh brute forcing, right?
• 1165[10:41:41] <tdn> jelly, of course I could mirror my hosts.allow as firewall rules.
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• 1241[11:34:33] <vipzrx> i use xfce strech , and the debian auto mount my disk like this
• 1242[11:34:33] <vipzrx> kk@H2:~$ sudo mount | grep /dev/sda
• 1243[11:34:33] <vipzrx> /dev/sda1 on /media/kk/b type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
• 1244[11:35:08] <vipzrx> now i can not access the samba share on that disk
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• 1251[11:37:18] <vipzrx> how to change debian option about auto mount my /dev/sda
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• 1253[11:38:02] <vipzrx> there are something work before the /et/fstab
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• 1255[11:39:17] <vipzrx> kk@H2:~$ cat /etc/fstab | tail -n 1
• 1256[11:39:17] <vipzrx> /dev/sda1 /media/kk/b ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0
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• 1261[11:40:03] <vipzrx> i set /etc/fstab but still mount like dev/sda1 on /media/kk/b type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
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• 1263[11:41:01] <well_laid_lawn> tried sudo uount -v /devv/sda1 && sudo mount -a ? does that work ?
• 1264[11:41:16] <well_laid_lawn> tried sudo umount -v /dev/sda1 && sudo mount -a ? does that work ?
• 1265[11:41:31] <vipzrx> i try it
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• 1267[11:42:25] <vipzrx> kk@H2:~$ sudo umount -v /dev/sda1 && sudo mount -a
• 1268[11:42:25] <vipzrx> umount: /media/kk/b (/dev/sda1) unmounted
• 1269[11:42:25] <vipzrx> ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/kk/b: No such file or directory
• 1270[11:43:25] <well_laid_lawn> did you make the directory /media/kk/b ?
• 1271[11:44:14] <vipzrx> i do not mkdir media/kk/b the debian creat it
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• 1275[11:44:55] <well_laid_lawn> obviously from that error it didn't make it
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• 1277[11:45:20] <vipzrx> i mkdir one to try
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• 1280[11:47:31] <vipzrx> @well_laid_lawn i make one mount point and it can mount successfully
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• 1282[11:47:40] <well_laid_lawn> well done
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• 1288[11:48:41] <well_laid_lawn> you can change the fstab entry to mount it where you want
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• 1303[11:58:10] <vipzrx> kk@H2:~$ sudo mount | grep sda
• 1304[11:58:11] <vipzrx> /dev/sda1 on /mnt/h21t type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
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• 1307[11:59:44] <vipzrx> the user id =0
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• 1311[12:00:10] <vipzrx1> kk@H2:~$ tail -n 1 /etc/fstab
• 1312[12:00:10] <vipzrx1> /dev/sda1 /mnt/h21t ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0
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• 1320[12:01:35] <well_laid_lawn> does the directory /mnt/h2lt eist ?
• 1321[12:01:43] <well_laid_lawn> does the directory /mnt/h2lt exist ?
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• 1328[12:03:29] <vipzrx1> kk@H2:~$ ls /mnt/h21t/
• 1329[12:03:29] <vipzrx1> 0
• 1330[12:03:44] <vipzrx1> yes . it exits
• 1331[12:03:58] <rant> vipzrx1: do you have other users on that system? perhaps ones logged in to a desktop?
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• 1333[12:04:20] <vipzrx1> @ rant yes i use xfce
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• 1336[12:04:36] <rant> vipzrx1: with a user other than kk?
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• 1339[12:05:02] <vipzrx1> it is kk
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• 1342[12:05:42] <vipzrx1> i use the same user
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• 1345[12:06:00] <well_laid_lawn> it's on a boot that the directory is fuse mounted before the fstab entry is used apparently
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• 1347[12:06:29] <well_laid_lawn> he just rebbooted
• 1348[12:06:48] <drunkerd> Waggie why are you in so many chans
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• 1351[12:07:30] <vipzrx1> how can change the option during the boot
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• 1353[12:08:19] <well_laid_lawn> vipzrx1: any udev rules for the partition ?
• 1354[12:08:45] <vipzrx1> where is the udev rules
• 1355[12:09:30] <vipzrx1> is there any thing about /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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• 1357[12:09:38] <rant> vipzrx1: /etc/udev/rules.d/
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• 1362[12:10:21] <vipzrx1> kk@H2:/etc/udev/rules.d$ ls -al
• 1363[12:10:22] <vipzrx1> total 8
• 1364[12:10:22] <vipzrx1> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 3 22:03 .
• 1365[12:10:22] <vipzrx1> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 8 14:12 ..
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• 1367[12:10:37] <didels> lets say i have package `aa`. i want to build two "versions", `normal`: aa_0.1-1.all.deb and `full`: aa-full_0.1-1.all.deb. `full` package should contain extra files (copied during the build). where i can control this? What `Makefile` does - is taken by all?
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• 1371[12:12:06] <rant> didels: you may want to ask in a channel with some DD/DMs like #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net)
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• 1375[12:12:54] <PerfDave> didels: Sounds like you want one source package which creates two binary packages, aa-base and aa-full, where the latter depends on the former and contributes the extra files
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• 1378[12:14:14] <didels> PerfDave: thanks, this may be a good idea
• 1379[12:14:59] <PerfDave> But rant's suggestion of #debian-mentors is a good one, as is #debian-devel
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• 1385[12:18:38] <rant> didels: yes there are Debian Maintainers and Developers hanging out there and they do this sort of thing all the time. Its on OFTC not Freenode
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• 1400[12:28:24] <vipzrx1> i umount and remount
• 1401[12:28:43] <vipzrx1> it still is user id =0
• 1402[12:28:56] <vipzrx1> $ sudo umount /dev/sda1
• 1403[12:29:06] <vipzrx1> sudo mount -a
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• 1405[12:29:14] <vipzrx1> sudo mount | grep sda
• 1406[12:29:14] <vipzrx1> /dev/sda1 on /mnt/h21t type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
• 1407[12:29:23] <vipzrx1> cat /etc/fstab | grep sda
• 1408[12:29:23] <vipzrx1> /dev/sda1 /mnt/h21t ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0
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• 1413[12:33:27] <rant> vipzrx1: had you already tried a full mount command with the uid/gid options?
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• 1416[12:33:58] <vipzrx1> vipzrx1: cat /etc/fstab | grep sda
• 1417[12:33:58] <vipzrx1> vipzrx1: /dev/sda1 /mnt/h21t ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0
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• 1419[12:34:08] <vipzrx1> does this work ?
• 1420[12:34:30] <vipzrx1> @rant
• 1421[12:35:10] <rant> you should really stop pasting in the channel, and I mean typing "mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda /mnt/h21t" and this is not a f'n social netowrking site we don't do @nick stuff either
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• 1423[12:36:06] <rant> there are only two things I can think of that could possibly override fstab and that udev or default fs mount options and those should only apply if the mount options arent specified
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• 1428[12:40:15] <vipzrx1> replaced-url
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• 1430[12:40:43] <vipzrx1> i do as you it does not work
• 1431[12:41:25] <rant> the thing is udev rules would typically only affect the device on an event which usually isnt manually calling a mount command.. so .. something other than my two teories is happening and that confirms it :P
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• 1433[12:41:59] <rant> vipzrx1: check logs.. dmesg, journalctl, etc
• 1434[12:42:22] <rant> idk wth is going on but I'm willing to bet systemd or the kernel has a clue
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• 1437[12:44:21] <rant> vipzrx1: sorry for bein snippy but you were comitting two offenses to your detriment the @ stuff doesnt highlight most IRC clients because we dont have @ in our nicks, and the pasting could get you kicked by a bot which is counter productive
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• 1441[12:48:59] <vipzrx1> ok
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• 1445[12:49:43] <jelly> pasting 1-2 lines is ok, rant
• 1446[12:50:02] <jelly> debhelper is triggered by 4+ lines in a row
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• 1482[13:07:04] <eluus> guys how do I disable touchscreen on debian stretch?
• 1483[13:07:23] <eluus> there's no 10-evdev.conf file
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• 1486[13:08:11] <rant> well I imagine udev is one way but probably xorg config is another. I have no first hand knowledge of doing so though
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• 1495[13:13:15] <rant> eluus: "disable touchscreen linux" in google will give you videos and many solutions both at kernel and x level.. I'm watching netflix or I'd try digest it for ya but my system can barely handle streaming my entertainment right now and I think you can handle this :P
• 1496[13:13:57] <eluus> rant: there are solutions but they are all either with xinput or 10-evdev.conf file which don't exist on stretch
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• 1500[13:16:14] <eluus> weird, touchscreen fixed itself after a reboot
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• 1504[13:16:46] <eluus> I'd still like to find out how to disable though
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• 1515[13:21:23] <rant> eluus: yes well you can create a file that doesn't exist you know.. the xinput is to do it on a running server, to do it perm you'd do it in xorg.conf.d or whatever
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• 1518[13:22:02] <rant> eluus: if you are REALLY stuck on this I can stop what I'm doing.. heh.
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• 1528[13:24:21] <rant> eluus: udev rules files arent anything special.. you could name it 11-vedve if you wanted.. only the convention of the number-name and location of the file matter, and the contents
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• 1536[13:28:21] <rant> eluus: for what its worth the xorg/xinput method has the benefit of being able to be re-enabled using xinput as needed where the udev method would prob require reboot if you needed the touchscreen at some point
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• 1538[13:28:53] <rant> the udev method would be disabling the hardware vs just disabling it as an input method in the GUI server
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• 1591[14:00:32] <cybrNaut> ,v bitlbee
• 1592[14:00:33] <judd> Package: bitlbee on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; wheezy-security: 3.0.5-1.2+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.2-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.2.2-2+deb8u1; stretch: 3.5.1-1; buster: 3.5.1-1+b1; sid: 3.5.1-1+b1
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• 1595[14:01:34] <cybrNaut> i'm on stretch, and did an "aptitude upgrade"
• 1596[14:01:49] <rant> something tells me there is a plot twist
• 1597[14:01:49] <cybrNaut> now I have some weird-ass version of bitlbee: "3.5.1+20171123+master+30-g4a9c6b0-git"
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• 1599[14:02:42] <cybrNaut> why is my version "3.5.1+20171123+master+30-g4a9c6b0-git", while judd says 3.5.1-1?
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• 1601[14:02:59] <rant> cybrNaut: apt-cache policy bitlbee
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• 1603[14:03:47] <cybrNaut> ah, i just realized i have this: deb replaced-url
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• 1605[14:04:21] <rant> imagine that
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• 1608[14:04:27] <cybrNaut> i must have needed a recent feature at some point
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• 1611[14:05:16] <rant> I havent used bitlbee in probably a decade.. tried it back in the day when I had a buncha friends using various other protocols.. then I realized I didnt need friends like that :P
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• 1614[14:06:03] <hexhaxtron> If I install gcc-5 from unstable, is it okay to upgrade binutils?
• 1615[14:06:27] <hexhaxtron> Can I revert to gcc 6 later?
• 1616[14:06:31] <cybrNaut> bitlee has expanded beyond IM now
• 1617[14:06:48] <cybrNaut> bitlbee has an API for twitter and gnu social and Mastodon
• 1618[14:07:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1571
• 1619[14:07:32] <cybrNaut> but the twitter API will soon be dropped and all twitter apps will die
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• 1621[14:07:45] <rant> hexhaxtron: sounds to me like you want to setup a chroot for whatever builds your doing
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• 1623[14:08:04] <rant> cybrNaut: I'll try not to lose any sleep over it :P
• 1624[14:10:06] <cybrNaut> rant: what tool are you using for micro-blogging?
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• 1626[14:10:34] <rant> heh.. #debian-offtopic :P
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• 1628[14:11:38] <rant> before blogging there were neighbors, friends, family.. you know people.. who you actually saw.. in the flesh.. and told them stupid stuff and they commented back in person
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• 1631[14:12:02] <guest1024> hello, I installed Debian 9 today. I can't mount a big hdd 4 tb gpt, any help ?
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• 1633[14:12:32] <rant> guest1024: well we got part of the issue... how about what you tried, and what happened?
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• 1635[14:13:46] <hexhaxtron> How can I install cuda 9?
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• 1638[14:15:34] <at0m> ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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• 1640[14:15:35] <judd> Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; wheezy-backports/non-free: 5.5.22-6~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; jessie-backports/non-free: 7.5.18-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-4; buster/non-free: 9.1.85-3; sid/non-free: 9.1.85-3
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• 1642[14:15:50] <guest1024> rant, normally and by the console. It's in exfat. But I installed exfat-fuse and exfat-utils
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• 1645[14:16:55] <jelly> hexhaxtron: if you want to use debian's packaging apparently your debian installation needs to be at least buster (current testing branch)
• 1646[14:17:09] <rant> guest1024: do you want someone here to tell you how to do what you already did and waste your time or do you wanna tell us what you did and what happened?
• 1647[14:17:39] <at0m> jelly: no bpo for stretch? or just not for this package i suppose?
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• 1649[14:18:00] <jelly> you just adked the bot.
• 1650[14:18:02] <rant> apparently just not that package
• 1651[14:18:06] <jelly> why ask me again
• 1652[14:18:24] <rant> jelly: seems they were not sure if there were backports at all for stretch
• 1653[14:18:32] <rant> which there are.. just not for this
• 1654[14:18:38] <at0m> well cos i dont see stretch-bpo now and i didnt the other day for another package
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• 1656[14:18:56] <jelly> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 1657[14:18:57] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u2~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 4.14+89~bpo9+1; buster: 4.15+91; sid: 4.15+91
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• 1659[14:19:06] <at0m> yay
• 1660[14:19:06] <yakiza> Hell o guys do you know where can i check when a patch from a vulnerability was released ?
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• 1662[14:19:17] <rant> !tracker
• 1663[14:19:22] <jelly> of doom.
• 1664[14:19:24] <rant> heh
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• 1667[14:19:45] <rant> there is some tracker.debian.net (.org?) something I dont recall of the top of my head
• 1668[14:19:54] <jelly> !tracker of doom
• 1669[14:19:54] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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• 1672[14:20:24] <yakiza> great
• 1673[14:20:25] <rant> jelly: oh.. I thought you were bein funny..
• 1674[14:20:30] <yakiza> thanks jelly
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• 1678[14:23:02] <guest1024> rant, replaced-url
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• 1685[14:24:19] <hexhaxtron> I want to install gcc-5 from unstable but is it okay to do this? replaced-url
• 1686[14:24:27] <hexhaxtron> Will it not break the system?
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• 1689[14:25:12] <hyperlumic> !frankendebian
• 1690[14:25:12] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 1691[14:25:19] <hyperlumic> hexhaxtron: ^
• 1692[14:25:22] <____rave> you'll fuck it
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• 1695[14:25:50] <hyperlumic> hexhaxtron: Quite badly, in fact.
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• 1697[14:26:33] <rant> guest1024: do you get the same error when you specify the filesystem with -t ? usually mount can/will detect but it may be doing it wrong
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• 1699[14:28:13] <rant> ,depends gcc-5
• 1700[14:28:14] <judd> No package named 'gcc-5' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 1701[14:28:21] <AikiLinux> Can anyone explain this error to me "dpkg-genchanges: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; cannot distribute" i could not find any explanation on-line ?
• 1702[14:28:21] <rant> ,depends gcc-5 unstable
• 1703[14:28:22] <judd> No package named 'gcc-5' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 1705[14:29:29] <guest1024> rant, the return is exfat system not found, but it's in exfat
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• 1710[14:30:23] <rant> guest1024: what sort of system created this filesystem?
• 1711[14:30:44] <guest1024> rant, the partition was made by win10
• 1712[14:31:22] <rant> guest1024: ah.. well I know from experience thats not good.. you got lots of data on there now? able to relocate/backup and recreate the filesystem?
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• 1714[14:31:59] <rant> guest1024: if you want to be sure something will work in debian or linux, its best to create the filesystem there. Filesystems created by newer or proprietary systems may implement features not supported
• 1715[14:32:07] <alkisg> guest1024: do you have the exfat packages installed? dpkg -l '*exfat*' | grep ^ii
• 1716[14:32:20] <guest1024> rant, yes but it is hours an hours to backup and copy back. I'll try this way if I don't find other solution
• 1717[14:32:50] <guest1024> rant, it' more than 3 tb of datas inside
• 1718[14:33:05] <guest1024> rant, any thanks for your help
• 1719[14:33:23] <rant> guest1024: well make a note for future ref to format any new disks in debian.. its more likely the newer/proprietary system will be backwards compatible than the other way around
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• 1722[14:34:13] <guest1024> rant, yes. it's the first time I got this kind of issue
• 1723[14:34:17] <guest1024> bye
• 1724[14:34:27] <rant> guest1024: I know nothing about exfat so I cant help much but you ned to figure out what features that fs has
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• 1726[14:34:37] <alkisg> (03:32:06 μμ) alkisg: guest1024: do you have the exfat packages installed? dpkg -l '*exfat*' | grep ^ii
• 1727[14:34:46] <rant> I've had this problem with both NTFS and ext4 before cause it had newer features enabled
• 1728[14:34:54] <rant> alkisg: yes, that was covered already
• 1729[14:35:07] <____rave> uhm...
• 1730[14:35:16] * ____rave giggles and kinda walks off
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• 1735[14:37:39] <____rave> is SMART enabled???
• 1736[14:38:14] <alkisg> guest1024: can you pastebin the output of sudo sfdisk --dump /dev/sdd ?
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• 1738[14:39:01] <teatime> so, I def. found a minor bug in Debian stable (pkg wmanager or one of its deps should depend on libfile-copy-link-perl, because the wmanagerrc-update(1) program (included in the wmanager pkg) needs it installed to run.
• 1739[14:39:24] <teatime> But I am to lazy to 1) figure out which package precisely should depends on it, and 2) whether it's already been reported, or even fixed in sid.
• 1740[14:39:30] <teatime> so. that is all.
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• 1743[14:40:07] <rant> teatime: just email the maintainer of wmanager and let them deal with it :P
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• 1754[14:42:28] <teatime> ah, excellent rant!
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• 1758[14:43:11] <maccampus> Does debian support following; USB 3.1, thunderbold 3 and USB-c ?
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• 1763[14:44:09] <teatime> maccampus: not 100% sure of linux status on those, but I beleive it's basically "yes, but don't be surprised by bugs or poor/no support for some hardware."
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• 1765[14:44:50] <teatime> maccampus: for sure, you'll want to run the newer kernel from debian backports, rather than the one that ships with debian stable, if wishing to take good advantage of newer hardware like that.
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• 1774[14:48:24] <alx_fly> how to rebuild the modules on a raspberry pi ?
• 1775[14:48:24] <maccampus> So hardware support is doen in the kernel ?
• 1776[14:48:27] <alx_fly> depmod: ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/4.9.59-v7+: No such file or directory
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• 1778[14:50:12] <at0m> alx_fly: #raspberrypi or #raspbian will know. most of their stuff is crosscompiled, afaik
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• 1781[14:50:56] <alx_fly> unattended-upgrades broke my modules
• 1782[14:51:08] <alx_fly> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.9.59-v7+/modules.dep.bin'
• 1783[14:51:25] <alx_fly> at0m: thx. i will ask there
• 1784[14:51:25] <at0m> alx_fly: that's not debian. try #raspbian instead.
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• 1786[14:51:32] <at0m> ok
• 1787[14:51:36] <alx_fly> yeah yeah. okay
• 1788[14:51:40] <alx_fly> :)
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• 1948[16:11:39] <kai_w> I have a problem with NFS - it is not giving me the right permissions to my folder
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• 1950[16:11:52] <kai_w> The folders have the correct permissions with 'ls', but I can't 'cd' to them
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• 1952[16:12:34] <kai_w> wireshark confirms this - LOOKUP requests are OK, but ACCESS requests don't seem to be right. which service do I need to debug?
• 1953[16:12:50] <kai_w> gssd/idmapd/mountd? This is for NFSv4.
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• 1958[16:14:34] <_2E0LNX> kai_w: you don't have execute rights then
• 1959[16:14:48] <_2E0LNX> you have read though :-)
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• 1964[16:15:39] <kai_w> _2E0LNX: I definitely have execute rights - it works locally on the server, just not over NFS
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• 1967[16:16:22] <_2E0LNX> kai_w: you don't have execute rights over nfs then
• 1968[16:16:27] <kai_w> Specifically, the group permissions on the folder don't seem to apply to my secondary groups over NFS
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• 1975[16:18:24] <kai_w> _2E0LNX: why might I not have exec rights over nfs? I can `cd` to some folders, just not a few specific ones
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• 1977[16:18:53] <_2E0LNX> well that's different then
• 1978[16:19:30] <_2E0LNX> it's been a long time since I used NFS. but I would check out the exports and mount options
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• 1981[16:20:04] <kai_w> they look OK as far as I know, details here: replaced-url
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• 1983[16:20:35] <kai_w> so I'm doing some digging, but I don't know which component is responsible for determining the access rights...
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• 2024[16:38:32] <Murii_> Why isn't "sudo" used on Debian?
• 2025[16:38:48] <themill> It's used as much as you want it to be
• 2026[16:39:09] <Murii_> but it's not installed by default
• 2027[16:39:11] <Murii_> why is that?
• 2028[16:39:27] <apollo13> I am pretty sure it is installed by default if you create a user during the installation
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• 2031[16:40:22] <jelly> Murii_: because it's not needed on a minimal, default system
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• 2034[16:40:43] <Murii_> so what about 'su' then?
• 2035[16:40:48] <jelly> what about it
• 2036[16:41:01] <Murii_> isn't it the same as "sudo" ?
• 2037[16:41:05] <jelly> it's not
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• 2043[16:43:10] <jelly> Murii_: su asks for destination user credentials and does not limit commands that can be rut; sudo asks for your own, and can be configured VERY precisely to only allow certain commands with certain parameters. sudo is rather complex. su is rather simple.
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• 2046[16:44:12] <Murii_> hm, I shall look more into it
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• 2067[16:54:48] <psychicist__> does anyone know how to install Debian MIPS64EL from the DVD iso on QEMU?
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• 2074[16:56:12] <PerfDave> psychicist__: There should be a #debian-mips either here or on OFTC, but I'd recommend virt-manager? I seem to have the option to set architecture when creating a new VM in that
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• 2084[16:57:44] <psychicist__> PerfDave, I'll have a look, thanks. I set MIPS machines up previously following aurel32's directions but there don't seem to be any for the latest version and I didn't succeed fiddling with options so far
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• 2086[16:58:28] <jhutchins_wk> !mips
• 2087[16:58:28] <dpkg> MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
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• 2094[17:00:33] <furrymcgee> !qemu
• 2095[17:00:33] <dpkg> QEMU is a fast PC emulator. replaced-url
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• 2100[17:01:41] <furrymcgee> see also replaced-url
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• 2107[17:05:40] <Johann> psychicist__: are you talking about those instructions replaced-url
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• 2113[17:08:37] <psychicist__> Johann, I used those several years ago, yes. I will see if this still works with the newest kernels that ship
• 2114[17:08:46] <psychicist__> with Debian Stretch
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• 2138[17:24:34] <Johann> psychicist__: you can make them work with a newer installer. Like if you use replaced-url
• 2139[17:24:42] <Johann> but overall, the process is very similar
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• 2145[17:25:51] <thms> If I want to create a chroot jail in /home/user, I have to chown root:root /home/user, so user will never be able to write in /home/user ?
• 2146[17:25:54] <Johann> also the root partition will probably be /dev/sda1 in a modern debian instead of /dev/hda1 after install
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• 2155[17:28:47] <psychicist__> Johann, I am trying that but so far I haven't got it to work, I will dig more into this and if nothing helps I'll just ask him as I saw that he's in #mipslinux
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• 2158[17:30:06] <Johann> he also provides installed image if you don't mind : replaced-url
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• 2160[17:31:44] <psychicist__> yeah, I will try that and see if I can update to stretch that way
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• 2172[17:36:19] <V7> Is it possible to get why after some amount of time Super key stops calling start menu ?
• 2173[17:36:27] <V7> Btw, Hey all :)
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• 2177[17:37:53] <dfstorm> V7: In KDE?
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• 2191[17:44:40] <RM982> why my OS complains about missing firmware, what it has to do with that? isn't the firmware supposed to be stored in the hardware itself?
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• 2195[17:45:45] <petn-randall> RM982: Sure, it is. But it's just informing you that it's not able to load any newer firmware.
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• 2199[17:46:40] <petn-randall> RM982: Some wifi devices ship with so buggy firmware that the burned-in version doesn't even work properly. You're then supposed to provide a newer one with the driver.
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• 2205[17:47:43] <rant> thms: uh... no..
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• 2208[17:48:16] <RM982> petn-randall: I see, thank you, and that firmware loaded by the OS, I guess it is loaded in the RAM, and does not overwritte the one in the hardware ROM
• 2209[17:48:21] <NetTerminalGene> where can i buy debian license key?
• 2210[17:48:23] <rant> thms: root is the superuser it has access to everything
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• 2212[17:48:31] <RM982> am I right?
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• 2216[17:49:29] <rant> RM982: many cards today like wifi and some video cards and such have firmware that loads from the OS when the driver loads.. this is done this way so that the software ON the hardware can stay up-to-date and be patched
• 2217[17:49:48] <petn-randall> RM982: Yes, it's not persistent.
• 2218[17:49:54] <rant> usually the firmware is distributed with the drivers, but not in linux
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• 2221[17:50:54] <rant> NetTerminalGene: I'll give you a nice discount on a lifetime site lisc for like US$500 :P
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• 2223[17:51:01] <annadane> RM982, and also debian ships with nothing non-free by default
• 2224[17:51:03] <petn-randall> rant: Upstream Linux does ship firmware, but Debian is of the opinion that it's non-free software, and keeps it in a different repository.
• 2225[17:51:11] <annadane> much firmware falls under non-free according to the DFSG
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• 2228[17:51:44] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: I'm almost certain you're trolling, but just in case, there is no such thing as a Debian license. Debian is free.
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• 2230[17:52:06] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: It's free software, and it's distributed for no cost. See replaced-url
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• 2234[17:52:28] <RM982> alright thank you, now the missing firmware is Intel related, i915 which I understand it is the video driver, apt search returns only 2 package and both are from Xorg, but I am using Wayland
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• 2236[17:52:34] <RM982> and they are installed anyway
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• 2238[17:52:42] <RM982> what should I do?
• 2239[17:52:43] <kanacht> greets
• 2240[17:52:46] <kanacht> question
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• 2242[17:53:01] <greycat> RM982: add contrib and non-free to your deb sources, and install the firmware-misc-nonfree package.
• 2243[17:53:12] <greycat> RM982: and probably intel-microcode while you're in there
• 2244[17:53:26] <RM982> ok ty
• 2245[17:53:30] <kanacht> where's debian's source of its ancient installer, the blue/red/grey one?
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• 2248[17:53:37] <kanacht> greycat: hei
• 2249[17:53:41] <greycat> !d-i
• 2250[17:53:42] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the "stable" Debian release. See replaced-url
• 2251[17:53:59] <Guifle> hello, qemu-KVM virtual manager doesnt start the VM automatically, and gives some error, for which I then need to rund 'sudo virsh net-start default'. can I somehow fix this so that I dont have to do it each time?
• 2252[17:54:05] <Guifle> run*
• 2253[17:54:33] <annadane> Guifle, depends on the error message but likely you need to add your user to the kvm group
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• 2255[17:54:44] <greycat> Warning to #debian: kanacht was asking in #bash how to create some sort of curses-based menu using bash. Never was able to explain his goals clearly.
• 2256[17:54:54] <annadane> or any of the other virtual machine groups, i'm not certain which
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• 2258[17:55:14] <kanacht> Guifle: join #virsh
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• 2260[17:55:21] <kanacht> or whatever channel is it.
• 2261[17:55:22] <DT> hi all
• 2262[17:55:31] <annadane> i think it's libvirt, libvirt-qemu, and kvm
• 2263[17:55:32] <DT> linux+unity 3d+vuforia: you know if they work?
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• 2265[17:55:54] <annadane> are you using ubuntu? unity is more an ubuntu thing, i'd probably ask them
• 2266[17:55:55] <Guifle> annadane, I think I've done it at start, but will check, thank you
• 2267[17:56:14] <kanacht> greycat: dude, why the warning? here I am asking something completely different.
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• 2270[17:56:29] <kanacht> Guifle: a yeah, join #libvirt
• 2271[17:56:41] <greycat> 11:34 kanacht> ok I got another example, Debian's ancient blue and red and grey installer dialog.
• 2272[17:56:43] <DT> annadane: unity 3d not unity :)
• 2273[17:56:47] <kanacht> Guifle: they're on irc.oftc.net though.
• 2274[17:56:48] <Guifle> ah, thank you, kanacht
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• 2276[17:57:16] <kanacht> greycat: and why are you warning instead of helping? I am trynig to locate tho source code.
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• 2278[17:57:38] <rant> greycat: isnt there a zenity like toolkit for creating curses dialogs? I swear I used it ages ago.
• 2279[17:57:40] <greycat> Then according to the bot, it's somewhere on replaced-url
• 2280[17:57:56] <greycat> rant: dialog and whiptail, and he was pointed to them in #bash
• 2281[17:58:18] <annadane> sorry, DT
• 2282[17:58:32] <greycat> zenity is a GUI (X client) program that does something similar, I think
• 2283[17:58:35] <DT> annadane: np ;)
• 2284[17:59:00] <kanacht> argh! no ebuild version fer debian-installer sauce :(
• 2285[17:59:04] <rant> greycat: yes and yad is a more advanced GUI dialog creator but its not in debian afaik
• 2286[17:59:13] <greycat> ewhat
• 2287[17:59:21] <kanacht> rant: zenity?
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• 2293[18:00:26] <greycat> ,info zenity
• 2294[18:00:28] <judd> Package zenity (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: Display graphical dialog boxes from shell scripts. Version: 3.22.0-1+b1; Size: 260.3k; Installed: 362k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2295[18:00:32] <kanacht> damn! plenty of options
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• 2301[18:01:23] <kanacht> ok so far these: dialog, whiptail, yad, zenity.
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• 2303[18:01:55] <rant> kanacht: yes there are lots of ways to extend a shell script to have some sort of graphical type interface. I used zenity or maybe it was yad along with xdotool to make my father an auto-scroll tool to scroll anything under the mouse pointer at a variable speeds since he said the standard middle-click auto-scroll was too fast and too touchy :P
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• 2305[18:02:22] <rant> yad has way more features than zenity but I dont think it was ever packaged in debian
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• 2307[18:02:47] <rant> dpkg, yad?
• 2308[18:02:49] <dpkg> rant: are you using Windows?
• 2309[18:03:10] <greycat> ,info yad
• 2310[18:03:11] <judd> Package yad (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: tool for creating graphical dialogs from shell scripts. Version: 0.38.2-1; Size: 181.7k; Installed: 573k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2312[18:03:48] <rant> yet another reason I need to upgrade my fathers computer to stretch I guess
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• 2314[18:04:16] <annadane> what would be the criteria for the intel-microcode from backports to make it into stable?
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• 2318[18:04:47] <annadane> not really a support question as such so i can probably just go bother the mailing list
• 2319[18:04:58] <greycat> annadane: replaced-url
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• 2322[18:05:22] <annadane> oh cool
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• 2324[18:05:44] <kanacht> rant: do you happen to have a link for 'yad'?
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• 2326[18:05:56] <greycat> other than the ones judd gave?
• 2327[18:06:07] <rant> kanacht: see what judd said above.. apparently its in stretch and the sf link is above
• 2328[18:06:14] <RM982> is it possible to make debian show what is happening during the boot process? I remember red hat and other distros doing that but in Debian I always get jump from boot loader to the login promp with some black screens in the midle
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• 2330[18:06:24] <kanacht> sorry, I didn't see it.
• 2331[18:06:54] <rant> RM982: by default debian does show the messages, if you dont see them its likely a framebuffer issue with your graphics driver
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• 2334[18:07:07] <greycat> RM982: you can remove the "quiet" paramter in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
• 2335[18:07:11] <kanacht> thanks a lot all.
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• 2338[18:07:38] <RM982> thank you will try that
• 2339[18:07:39] <annadane> "
• 2340[18:07:39] <annadane> If the kernel malfunctions on the new microcode, boot with "noibpb"
• 2341[18:07:39] <annadane> and/or "noibrs" to disable the new codepaths." i wonder what they mean by "malfunctions"... fails to boot?
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• 2343[18:07:54] <k5l33jwj9f> Hello
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• 2346[18:08:02] <k5l33jwj9f> In this answer replaced-url
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• 2348[18:08:11] <k5l33jwj9f> .load ./spellfix
• 2349[18:08:17] <k5l33jwj9f> What is this command .load?
• 2350[18:08:26] <k5l33jwj9f> I don't have it in my standard debian
• 2351[18:08:52] <k5l33jwj9f> i've never seen a command beginning with ., what is it?
• 2352[18:09:01] <greycat> k5l33jwj9f: it mentions Gentoo. Maybe ask #gentoo?
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• 2354[18:09:04] <PerfDave> k5l33jwj9f: Looks like a command you enter into the sqlite client, not your shell.
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• 2356[18:09:28] <k5l33jwj9f> PerfDave: oh ok maybe
• 2357[18:09:31] <greycat> Or ask stackoverflow?
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• 2359[18:09:51] <rant> k5l33jwj9f: thats a command for the sqlite shell
• 2360[18:09:56] <k5l33jwj9f> I wondered if it's something I should apt-get
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• 2362[18:10:12] <k5l33jwj9f> so it's something equivalent to db.load_extension('./spellfix') probably?
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• 2364[18:10:32] <rant> k5l33jwj9f: seems like it, yes. done from inside the sqlite console
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• 2366[18:11:00] <k5l33jwj9f> Ok :) I thought .load was a general purpose Linux command to load a library .so in memory or something like that
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• 2368[18:11:33] <rant> k5l33jwj9f: no, it seems the sqlite console prefixes its internal commands with a . to differentiate them from SQL commands
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• 2392[18:18:08] <rednipple> debian stable comes with postgresql 9.6. I've installed postgresql 10 from testing. How can I now start postgresql 10 isntead of 9.6? Running "sudo service postgresql start" still seems to use 9.6
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• 2397[18:20:42] <jelly> rednipple: 1) installing packages from a newer release is not really supported and will break your system in subtle and less subtle ways
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• 2399[18:21:17] <jelly> rednipple: 2) that said, the postgresql init script should be able to detect which version clusters exist and start them all
• 2400[18:21:20] <rednipple> jelly: apparently both postgresql versions are started, mmmm
• 2401[18:21:34] <FinalX> plus you'll probably want to get used to systemctl of systemd; if you type "systemctl", you'll get a list of services it maintains, including your postgres ones (you can grep on it, too)
• 2402[18:21:34] <PerfDave> Yeah, Postgres is very clever
• 2403[18:21:49] <jelly> it's not Postgres' cleverness, it's debian maintainer's
• 2404[18:22:03] <PerfDave> Oh fair enough. pg_upgradecluster et al. are Debian additions?
• 2405[18:22:30] <jelly> no, but the init script / systemd unit generator, whatever is used, is
• 2406[18:23:27] <jelly> rednipple: if you require packages from testing, upgrade the whole system to testing.
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• 2408[18:24:02] <annadane> ,v postgresql
• 2409[18:24:03] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy6; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 9.6+181+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u1; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u1; buster: 10+190; sid: 10+190
• 2410[18:24:04] <jelly> otherwise, use backports created specifically for the release you have installed, or maybe use upstream's packaging
• 2411[18:24:27] <rant> or setup a chroot or make your own backport
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• 2414[18:24:45] <rant> really all depends on what you need, what its dependencies are, etc..
• 2415[18:25:02] <PerfDave> rednipple: What's your reason for using 10 OOI?
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• 2419[18:26:05] <rednipple> PerfDave: I'm trying to restore a dump that I didn't make, and it looks like P9.6 cant load it
• 2420[18:26:05] <jelly> ,v postgresql-10
• 2421[18:26:06] <judd> Package: postgresql-10 on amd64 -- buster: 10.3-2; sid: 10.3-2
• 2422[18:26:21] <jelly> no backport by debian people
• 2423[18:26:52] <jelly> I guess it's replaced-url
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• 2425[18:27:12] <PerfDave> It probably backports cleanly, Postgres is good software
• 2426[18:27:23] <jelly> but if it's a throwaway temporary system, eh
• 2427[18:27:41] <rant> ,depends postgresql-10
• 2428[18:27:42] <judd> No package named 'postgresql-10' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2429[18:27:43] <V7> dfstorm: Yes
• 2430[18:27:45] <rant> ,depends postgresql
• 2431[18:27:46] <judd> Package postgresql in stretch/amd64 -- depends: postgresql-9.6.
• 2432[18:27:58] <rant> hmm
• 2433[18:27:59] <annadane> or use a vm with testing and run it in that
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• 2440[18:28:50] <rednipple> more precisely im getting this error replaced-url
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• 2443[18:29:37] <PerfDave> rednipple: what are your long-term plans for the dump?
• 2444[18:30:12] <rednipple> PerfDave: just load it and query it (locally)
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• 2446[18:30:23] <jelly> (if you look at the names of people making upstream packages, you'll see at least some are very familiar)
• 2447[18:30:47] <PerfDave> rednipple: Temporarily or as a long-term thing? 'cause if it's the former, you might just want to set up a Debian Testing VM / chroot
• 2448[18:30:49] <jimm> rant, there's a postgres apt source that has more versions of postgres
• 2449[18:30:55] <jimm> let me get that
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• 2452[18:31:21] <rednipple> PerfDave: yes just temporarily
• 2453[18:31:23] <PerfDave> (and if it's the latter you might want to do the same, restore the dump and then re-dump it in a backwards compatible way)
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• 2455[18:31:33] <jelly> jimm: I just linked the instructions for that one.
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• 2458[18:32:53] <jimm> oh ok... I had to find it in my sources.list.m4
• 2459[18:32:58] <rant> I dont see anything in the postgresql-10 depends that would really muck anything up.. all the versions it minimally depends on are older than jessie versions
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• 2462[18:33:47] <rant> as for the package and its scripts and such.. idk.. but dependency wise its clean
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• 2464[18:33:56] <jimm> rant, is there a debian version that has pg 10? is that the one you want?
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• 2466[18:34:14] <jelly> jimm: it's not him. rednipple asked the question.
• 2467[18:34:16] <jimm> maybe you could build the packages
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• 2470[18:35:39] <jimm> rednipple, maybe you could build the packages for pg 10 if it's available (if you don't find binary packages for your installation)
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• 2472[18:35:57] <dfstorm> V7: It happen to me too between two updates. Now it stop happening. Im on testing (so I understand that kind of stuff may happen). Re-logging repared the hotkey. Re-atribuing the meta in configs did nothing... Sorry if I have nothing else than "you should maybe upgrade"
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• 2503[18:51:32] <annadane> how can i tell which compositor i'm using, i'm on xfce and set compton to autostart but i'm not sure whether it overrides xfce's compositor
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• 2517[18:55:23] <annadane> i'm not even sure how well it works with the proprietary nvidia driver, anyway
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• 2519[18:56:10] <V7> dfstorm: Already the newest version
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• 2531[19:02:16] <dumbl3d0re> How do I create a new CD-rom drive in virt-manager? I can't find it as an alternative when I press on /Add Hardware/.
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• 2565[19:21:58] <dumbl3d0re> Found it
• 2566[19:21:58] <debie9> hi everybody. I have a problem with the screen. The mouse dissapears through the right side of the screen, like if there was more desktop in that direction, however windows maximize correctly. Screen size is not the same with xrandr and xdpyinfo. I do not have any configuration file for X. I do not have /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d directory neither. Could somebody help me to solve this problem?
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• 2568[19:22:28] <dumbl3d0re> What desktop environment are you using?
• 2569[19:22:55] <debie9> openbox
• 2570[19:22:55] <dumbl3d0re> If you're using one.
• 2571[19:23:18] <dumbl3d0re> Have tested arandr?
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• 2573[19:23:40] <greycat> Other basic info needed: which version of Debian, is it in a VM or on actual hardware, what's the actual hardware involved (lspci -nn | grep -i vga), did you install firmware, did you install proprietary DKMS drivers....
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• 2575[19:23:44] <debie9> yes, I have changed other resolutions and part of the desktop can not be seen
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• 2577[19:24:09] <debie9> 4.9.0-6-amd64
• 2578[19:24:22] <debie9> on actual hardware
• 2579[19:24:46] <debie9> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09)
• 2580[19:24:46] <debie9> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 540M] [10de:0df4] (rev a1)
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• 2583[19:25:03] <greycat> !bumblebee
• 2584[19:25:03] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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• 2586[19:25:09] <debie9> no, I have not installed any firmware or DKMS drivers
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• 2592[19:25:44] <debie9> yes, I have a Geforce GT 540M
• 2593[19:25:44] <greycat> I have no experience with the Optimus/Bumblebee stuff myself, so follow whatever the wiki says and pray.
• 2594[19:26:25] <debie9> can i use only the intel driver?
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• 2597[19:27:12] <debie9> I have another distro in which the screen was right only with intel driver
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• 2600[19:28:24] <debie9> should I have an xorg.conf file? would it help?
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• 2604[19:30:13] <m0rd3cai> Is anyone in here running debain 9 on hp elitebook? I've disabled suspend pc when lid is closed. That works fine. the problem is when i close the lid and go to reopen the lid, the screen is completely black and I have to CTRL-ALT-F1 2 or 3 times at least to get the screen to show my desktop. Any idea what would cause the screen to do that?
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• 2606[19:31:02] <debie9> I have the same problem with xscreensaver, I think it happens when there is video opened in the desktop
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• 2609[19:31:13] <m0rd3cai> you do too debie9?
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• 2611[19:31:16] <debie9> I have to kill xscreensaver from another terminal
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• 2613[19:31:21] <rant> how do I get dpkg (the bot) to show more when it says there are more results?
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• 2620[19:32:13] <m0rd3cai> debie9: yea that sounds similar to mine. its just really really annoying having to do that. sometimes my screen orients correct, sometimes it will turn sideways.
• 2621[19:32:30] <m0rd3cai> almost like it cant tell if my screen rotates or not (doesnt)
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• 2623[19:32:53] <rant> nm. I thought I'd made a factoid about this bumblebee stuff but I guess I didnt
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• 2629[19:33:43] <debie9> I am installing bumblebee and primus, should i just restart and does it or should i do sth else before?
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• 2634[19:35:40] <m0rd3cai> hrm Bumblebee looks interesting
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• 2638[19:36:16] <debie9> ok, i have installed and add user to the group
• 2639[19:36:23] <debie9> i will try it now
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• 2653[19:41:28] <debie9> thanks greycat and dpkg! you were completely right
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• 2655[19:41:46] <debie9> it was bumblebee, now the edges of the screen are right
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• 2657[19:42:52] <tsglove2> Hello. I just downloaded Debian and installed. Yet I don't know what repo I have to add in sources.list in order to get the sudo package.
• 2658[19:43:03] <tsglove2> All I am getting is E: Package sudo has no installation candidate.
• 2659[19:43:33] <tsglove2> and in sources.list I have deb replaced-url
• 2660[19:43:42] <tsglove2> What.... what repo would I have to add?
• 2661[19:43:44] <AfonsoHenriques> hm,
• 2662[19:44:13] <LtL> !sources.list
• 2663[19:44:13] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2665[19:44:31] <LtL> tsglove2: for you, read above.
• 2666[19:44:39] <AfonsoHenriques> deb replaced-url
• 2667[19:44:39] <tsglove2> LtL, thank you!! reading up now
• 2668[19:44:39] <AfonsoHenriques> deb-src replaced-url
• 2669[19:45:04] <AfonsoHenriques> yeah, thats it
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• 2671[19:45:27] <tsglove2> awesome working good!
• 2672[19:45:34] <LtL> tsglove2: deb-src lines are strictly for downloading source code and not 'required.'
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• 2675[19:47:55] <V7> Is it possible to get why after some amount of time Super key stops calling start menu ? Xev tells key works
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• 2677[19:48:42] <AfonsoHenriques> I use all variants. If one wants to install nvidia drivers through apt/synaptic, the contrib non free will be a requisite.
• 2678[19:49:07] <AfonsoHenriques> "Utile per inutile non vitiatur" :D
• 2679[19:50:52] <rant> V7: it stops calling the start menu as soon as you shutdown windows
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• 2683[19:51:38] <rant> V7: however ignoring that choice of words.. usually the reason a key doesnt do something is because its being caught and handled by something else
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• 2708[19:58:39] <eljotto> Hello
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• 2710[19:59:39] <eljotto> How to change mouse scroll speed on debian9/plasma? The setting in SystemSettings doesn't do anything, google tells me something about libinput, but it seems a bit outdated
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• 2714[20:01:09] <V7> rant: How to check which key is listented by which process ?
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• 2717[20:02:47] <rant> V7: idk if it were me I'd start with what program you think is suppose to be catching the key
• 2718[20:03:15] <V7> rant: So ... this's interesting because idk which one could
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• 2720[20:03:55] <jhutchins_wk> V7: Pay attention to which programs you use in between when it works and when it doesn't.
• 2721[20:03:57] <rant> V7: usually the WM or a hotkey daemon is responsible for such things
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• 2723[20:04:50] <V7> hm
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• 2725[20:05:10] <V7> So, there's no way to list some kind of listeners ?
• 2726[20:05:26] <tsglove2> LtL, ok... today I learned. Thanks!
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• 2729[20:06:41] <LtL> tsglove2: you are very welcome. Consider appending EACH line with 'contrib non-free' no quotes, then 'apt update'
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• 2731[20:07:17] <tsglove2> Hmmm... What does that bring up? Only fully open-source packages?
• 2732[20:07:28] <tsglove2> Or the inverse? Include even non-free?
• 2733[20:08:21] <LtL> tsglove2: just more available stuff that probably falls outside of the debian free software guidelines. most everyone does this.
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• 2735[20:08:44] <tsglove2> A quite nice! Thank you
• 2736[20:08:58] <LtL> tsglove2: its all open source and 'free'
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• 2739[20:09:57] <Maarten> tsglove2, the non-free also contains things like certain wifi drivers that aren't open sourced and whatnot, sometimes needed for particular laptop models, etc....
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• 2744[20:10:40] <LtL> Maarten: good point, thank you.
• 2745[20:10:44] <tsglove2> OK ok. Got it. Super cool. Thanks =)
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• 2872[21:11:46] <skizzy> is there any set number of polygons to go for on a visible scene to keep around 60fps? Or does it matter more on how much logic I have going on as well
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• 2884[21:14:43] <wuzamarine> greycat: thank you!
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• 2911[21:26:40] <doublehp> what are the modern equivalents of xdialog ?
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• 2913[21:27:48] <rendar> i;m trying to install debian testing buster into a m.2 stick and bios uefi, everything is ok, but at grub install it gives me an error :(
• 2914[21:28:06] <rendar> then i started the shell, and grub-install is not present, only grub-installer
• 2915[21:28:08] <rendar> how come?!?!
• 2916[21:28:21] <alkisg> doublehp: replaced-url
• 2917[21:29:17] <annadane> !testing installer
• 2918[21:29:17] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
• 2919[21:29:21] <BCMM> skizzy: game FPS can be CPU-bound or GPU-bound
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• 2921[21:29:31] <annadane> rendar, i'd probably just upgrade from a minimal stable install, as the factoid suggests
• 2922[21:30:23] <BCMM> skizzy: i.e. if you have *enough* logic going on, and you wait for the logic to complete every frame instead of having a separate rendering thread, you can get low FPS no matter how simple your scene is
• 2923[21:30:37] <rendar> annadane hmm what you mean? i'm on a /bin/sh launched from the installer
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• 2926[21:31:06] <BCMM> doublehp: there's a kdialog, if you want to match a KDE environment
• 2927[21:31:09] <skizzy> BCMM, that's what I'm sort of worried about. doesn't panda handle most of the rendering though?
• 2928[21:31:10] <BCMM> and there's zenity for Gnome
• 2929[21:31:17] <alkisg> And yad for Gnome too
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• 2933[21:31:28] <BCMM> skizzy: no idea, never used Panda3D
• 2934[21:31:31] <skizzy> BCMM, I'm worried my python logic will slow the game down some how
• 2935[21:31:36] <skizzy> oops i'm on the wrong channel
• 2936[21:31:39] <skizzy> lol!
• 2937[21:31:43] <BCMM> skizzy: haha
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• 2939[21:32:01] <BCMM> skizzy: why not just do a quick test? put a sleep in your logic, see if it slows down rendering
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• 2941[21:32:12] <rendar> anyone can help me?
• 2942[21:32:27] <doublehp> BCMM: I have E17
• 2943[21:32:35] <alkisg> rendar: maybe you misread what annadane/dpkg said?
• 2944[21:32:46] <alkisg> rendar: use the stable installer, not the testing
• 2945[21:32:57] <skizzy> BCMM, yeah I'm sure it will slow it down but I can try
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• 2948[21:33:33] <rendar> alkisg: hmm ok, but what is the difference? hans't stable the same packages only with a inferior version?
• 2949[21:33:43] <BCMM> skizzy: the *nice* thing to do is to have rendering just keep happening regardless of the state of game logic. what a lot of engines do is just have a main loop that executes logic stuff every time a frame happens
• 2950[21:33:54] <alkisg> rendar: the testing installer is not guaranteed to work at all; it's for testing the installer software itself
• 2951[21:34:08] <alkisg> rendar: if you want to install debian testing, you install stable, and then upgrade it to testing
• 2952[21:34:15] <rendar> ok
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• 2955[21:34:30] <rendar> alkisg: so i have to download the stretch image?
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• 2957[21:34:45] <alkisg> To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>""
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• 2959[21:35:07] <alkisg> I.e. the minimal or netboot stretch image
• 2960[21:35:10] <rendar> ok
• 2961[21:35:35] <rendar> can you give me the link of the image (amd64) just to be sure i get the proper stuff?
• 2962[21:35:40] <skizzy> BCMM, yeah i'm not quite sure how Panda works under the hood. I do have the source and built it myself so should look into it soon
• 2963[21:36:00] <skizzy> BCMM, so far it's been a fun engine to work with. i'm getting things done :)
• 2964[21:36:16] <doublehp> BCMM: zenity does not loog "argument compatible" with Xdialog, is kdialog better ?
• 2965[21:36:28] <BCMM> doublehp: i don't think either is a drop-in replacement
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• 2967[21:36:30] <alkisg> rendar: download the one you want from replaced-url
• 2968[21:36:38] <BCMM> doublehp: the modern xdialog is just xdialog, i'm afraid
• 2969[21:36:40] <rendar> thanks mate
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• 2976[21:39:51] <annadane> and also install apt-listbugs and pay heed to replaced-url
• 2977[21:39:56] <annadane> rendar, ^
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• 2979[21:40:37] <rendar> the thing is i don't have the network here
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• 2985[21:41:35] <ellie> hello. How can I clear my dns cache?
• 2986[21:41:39] <ellie> I'm running linux debian 9
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• 2988[21:42:18] <jolt> ellie: It depends on if you run a local resolver or not. If so, it's probably dnsmasq, just reload it. If not, it might be in your router
• 2989[21:42:29] <jolt> (if you are on a home network that is)
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• 2991[21:42:32] <greycat> or your ISP, in which case you can't
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• 2996[21:43:48] <BCMM> ellie: if you don't know if you have a local resolver, check the file /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2998[21:44:07] <BCMM> ellie: it will typically either have the ip address of your router, or 127.0.0.1
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• 3008[21:47:33] <ellie> let me try that
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• 3014[21:47:53] <ellie> I am unable to access my site from my web browsers on linux but I can see my site from my iphone so its probably a dns issue
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• 3016[21:48:01] <ellie> since both FF and chrome on debian dont work
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• 3021[21:50:15] <greycat> "don't work" how? what makes you think DNS is involved? do you get the wrong site? do you get an error that says "can't resolve this hostname"?
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• 3023[21:50:25] <ellie> because
• 3024[21:51:05] <ellie> traceroute to misty.press (127.0.1.1), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
• 3025[21:51:05] <ellie> 1 misty.press (127.0.1.1) 0.027 ms 0.009 ms 0.012 ms
• 3026[21:51:05] <ellie> eleanor@misty:~$
• 3027[21:51:17] <ellie> but if I put that domain on safari on my iphone it works
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• 3029[21:51:35] <ellie> its not resolving
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• 3031[21:51:44] <ellie> my english is not very good, sorry
• 3032[21:52:01] <greycat> 127.0.1.1 is YOU. It's a localhost alias. Loopback. Talking to yourself.
• 3033[21:52:09] <ellie> right I know that
• 3034[21:52:19] <ellie> this is why it is a DNS issue
• 3035[21:52:29] <ellie> domain isn't resolving on this computer but it is resolving everywhere else
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• 3037[21:52:53] <greycat> Did you name your machine "misty" and give it a domain name "press" when you installed Debian on it? Does it have "127.0.1.1 misty.press misty" in /etc/hosts?
• 3038[21:53:00] <ellie> oh snap yeah
• 3039[21:53:04] <ellie> good observation
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• 3041[21:53:13] <ellie> how can I change my machine name
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• 3043[21:53:40] <ellie> that's got to be it, let me check the hosts file
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• 3045[21:53:57] <greycat> ... by finding all the places where the hostname and/or domain name has been set. At a bare minimum, /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts and your mail config and your web server config ...
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• 3049[21:54:43] <greycat> The domain (search) name is in /etc/resolv.conf probably. Unless your DHCP client or NetworkManager "helpfully" destroyed it for you.
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• 3056[21:56:56] <ellie> I don't have web or mailserver on this pc so hosts was enough
• 3057[21:57:01] <ellie> now it's resolving properly
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• 3059[21:57:16] <ellie> thanks :) it was good you spotted that
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• 3062[21:57:22] <ellie> I deleted misty.press from the hosts file
• 3063[21:57:23] <jelly> ellie: if your system has a static IP address you can just replace that 127.0.1.1 with the correct IP. 192.185.48.216?
• 3064[21:57:38] <ellie> its on an external web hosting
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• 3066[21:57:44] <greycat> She says there's no web server on it, so something is very confusing.
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• 3069[21:57:48] <jelly> ah.
• 3070[21:58:49] <ellie> only the hosts file needed editing. the hostname file only contained 'misty'
• 3071[21:58:50] <ellie> which is fine
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• 3077[22:00:23] <muz_> #flood /msg dpkg guidelines
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• 3121[22:16:52] <mutante> how to merge 3 mp4 files into a single mp4 file? ffmpeg?
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• 3125[22:17:57] <mutante> wait, just "cat" them? really? that works? it doesn't need to strip the headers of the second file or something?
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• 3130[22:18:49] <mutante> ffmpeg -concat sounds more like it. trying
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• 3150[22:27:47] <dbxn> I'm trying to run Processing but whenever I use the open file dialog I get errors about GtkFileDialogPeer
• 3151[22:27:59] <dbxn> the full output is here replaced-url
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• 3153[22:28:38] <dbxn> I tried switching from OpenJDK to Oracle's one but get the same error
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• 3189[22:50:22] <AlexPortable> just installed nodejs, but npm is not found, how do i install it?
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• 3197[22:53:50] <mutante> AlexPortable: replaced-url
• 3198[22:54:19] <mutante> (i dont really like to recommend ' curl | sudo bash' kind of installs, it's kind of horrible. but it is what it is
• 3199[22:54:43] <mutante> you could also manually edit the sources.list of course
• 3200[22:54:49] <AlexPortable> why not just apt-get install nodejs?
• 3201[22:55:23] <mutante> my guess is because Nodejs doesn't want to spend time on doing proper Debian upstream packages and maintain them .. or because it's non-free software
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• 3209[22:56:22] <greycat> ,checkbackport nodejs
• 3210[22:56:24] <judd> Backporting package nodejs in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libuv1-dev (>= 1.15.0).
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• 3252[23:23:48] <bites> they did package it properly. that script tries to automate a few things, like installing apt-transport-https if it's not there and adding the key to apt.
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• 3257[23:25:16] <bites> instead of providing different instructions for debian and debian based systems they provide a script that does everything automagically.
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• 3260[23:25:41] <bites> AlexPortable, mutante ^
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• 3292[23:53:51] <AlexPortable> AH00035 access to /img/test.png denied because search permissions are missing on a component of the path
• 3293[23:53:56] <AlexPortable> how do i fix this problem with apache?
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• 3298[23:56:24] <jikistro> hello
• 3299[23:56:46] <jikistro> it seems that sysvinit does not respect /etc/security/limits.conf
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• 3303[23:57:00] <jikistro> after increasing max number of open files
• 3304[23:57:14] <jikistro> the output of ulimit -Hn and -Sn is correct for a user
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• 3306[23:57:32] <jikistro> but if i restart haproxy through "service haproxy restart"
• 3307[23:57:37] <jikistro> it still has the old value
• 3308[23:57:51] <jikistro> i did tweaked the /etc/pam.d/su{common-session}
• 3309[23:57:57] <jikistro> but it still ignores it
• 3310[23:58:01] <jikistro> any idea?
• 3311[23:58:15] <jikistro> it's deb7u2
• 3312[23:58:22] <jikistro> i am not using systemd
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