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• 8[00:03:52] <phre4k> brb, rebooting to fix that mess. Thanks already!
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• 30[00:09:39] <n-st> hi, the cron daemon on my jessie system isn't loading files in /etc/cron.d, even when i restart it. do i need to enable anything for that?
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• 53[00:15:00] <phre4k> I learned quite a bit tonight.
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• 60[00:16:31] <MrGeneral> Folks. This disk got ruined. It was having issue as hell. So, after running fsck, all files are in /lost+found/
• 61[00:16:38] <MrGeneral> Example: /lost+found/#154124
• 62[00:16:56] <MrGeneral> It contains the files, how can I get a script to move the files from the folder to its original place?
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• 73[00:19:27] <Iridos> n-st, how can you tell? I mean that it's not anything... packages put stuff in there... and seems to me that's executed
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• 77[00:20:12] <n-st> Iridos: it didn't show up in `journalctl -u cron` at the scheduled time
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• 81[00:20:32] <n-st> turns out the filenames in /etc/cron.d may not contain dots… :|
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• 97[00:22:19] <jmcnaught> MrGeneral: unfortunately the reason the files ended up in lost+found is because the filesystem no longer knows the filenames/paths for these files. your best to simply restore from backups
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• 99[00:22:37] <MrGeneral> damnit jmcnaught
• 100[00:22:40] <MrGeneral> my friend has no backups
• 101[00:22:47] <MrGeneral> am trying to restore using debugfs
• 102[00:23:42] <jmcnaught> MrGeneral: are you able to make an image of this drive with ddrescue and then do your data recovery operations on the image (or a copy of the image)?
• 103[00:23:59] <MrGeneral> I think so jmcnaught
• 104[00:24:04] <MrGeneral> it's a kvm image though
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• 116[00:25:24] <Iridos> let your friend do the dirty work himself?
• 117[00:25:25] <jmcnaught> MrGeneral: the reason i mention this is because data recovery tools can sometimes do more damage, so it's best to work on an image (and copy that image so if you mess the image up you don't have to clone the original disk again)
• 118[00:25:45] <Iridos> It's only a good object lesson of why one needs backups if it happens to oneself
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• 136[00:28:29] <MrGeneral> yeah agreed jmcnaught
• 137[00:28:31] <MrGeneral> will tyr, thanks
• 138[00:28:34] <MrGeneral> indeed Iridos
• 139[00:28:38] <MrGeneral> just trying to help
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• 190[00:50:40] <flashylight> hi, is there a required package for pcmanfm so it detects and mounts usb sticks?
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• 219[01:03:08] <drale2k> for ubuntu there is a server and a client installation but i can't find that for debian. Is debian both in one?
• 220[01:03:25] <drale2k> server / desktop (with GUI etc)
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• 223[01:04:11] <axc1298> drale2k: yes it's the same. the installer has options for different types of servers you can select too
• 224[01:04:26] <drale2k> axc1298: alright thanks
• 225[01:04:31] <teraflops> drale2k: btw ubuntu server is just ubuntu
• 226[01:04:55] <drale2k> ah ok, so ubuntu desktop is "ubuntu" + the gui stuff
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• 228[01:05:57] <rlange> I believe Ubuntu "Server" is basically like Debian's netinst, whereas Ubuntu "Desktop" is like disc 1 of the regular Debian install
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• 237[01:08:09] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> rlange: I believe you're right about that
• 238[01:08:42] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> last time I installed ubuntu server it was the ubuntu OS without a gui--exactly like debian's netinst
• 239[01:09:55] <jmcnaught> the different between debian netinst, cd-1, dvd-1 etc is simply how many packages are on the ISO. what gets installed is determined by choices made in the installer (regardless of which disc is used)
• 240[01:10:05] <jmcnaught> s/different/difference/
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• 244[01:11:07] <rlange> true. i don't think Ubuntu really gives choices during the install, but it's like the default choice set for the above-mentioned Debian isos
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• 252[01:15:32] <grml-user> i cannot boot into my debian jessie. it keeps saying "a start job is waiting for /dev/mapper/big" and similar, infinitely.
• 253[01:15:43] <grml-user> i am currently on a grml rescue disk
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• 255[01:17:12] <grml-user> what i did to cause this, was: my normal disk is /dev/sda. i chrooted into /dev/sdb and ran update-initramfs with some options that were not supposed to affect /dev/sda at all. however, booting to both sda and sdb have this problem, on all kernels. i did not change fstab or crypttab at all on sda.
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• 257[01:17:25] <|_[O_O]_|> definitely sounds like your /etc/fstab is busted
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• 259[01:17:48] <|_[O_O]_|> are you using UUID's or directly mapping?
• 260[01:17:51] <grml-user> |_[O_O]_|: ok, that's a start. it looks fine to me on both disks. would you like me to paste it?
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• 262[01:18:25] <grml-user> i decided to use /dev/sdx notation this time to avoid trouble. the order of the disks is stable.
• 263[01:19:15] <grml-user> i was concerned i might get uuid syntax wrong, or might get the wrong uuid. i triple-checked everything. but again, the only fstab i changed was sdb. same with crypttab,
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• 265[01:19:49] <|_[O_O]_|> are you using something like LUKS on them?
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• 271[01:22:27] <|_[O_O]_|> actually, heh, are you using the distribution supplied kernel or pulling from kernel.org -- I think I recall hitting that when I was booting a custom kernel without CONFIG_FHANDLE
• 272[01:22:41] <|_[O_O]_|> systemd doesn't like that at all
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• 274[01:23:37] <|_[O_O]_|> replaced-url
• 275[01:23:43] <|_[O_O]_|> was fun trying to figure that out first time round
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• 281[01:24:39] <grml-user> |_[O_O]_|: how do i scroll up in irssi?
• 282[01:24:51] <markybob> pg up on your keyboard
• 283[01:24:57] <|_[O_O]_|> ^
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• 286[01:25:47] <grml-user> markybob: thanks. |_[O_O]_| yes, i am using luks. sda1 is ext2; sda2 is luks with ext4 on it.
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• 288[01:26:12] <|_[O_O]_|> using lvm?
• 289[01:26:22] <grml-user> |_[O_O]_|: no
• 290[01:26:40] <|_[O_O]_|> mind pasting your /etc/fstab? :D
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• 294[01:27:18] <grml-user> sure. i have it mounted on grml now. how do i paste it?
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• 299[01:28:43] <|_[O_O]_|> pastebin/gist.github works for me, if you have a network you can use curl and something like sprunge
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• 302[01:29:01] <|_[O_O]_|> cat /etc/fstab | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' replaced-url
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• 304[01:29:29] <|_[O_O]_|> should give you a link with the output from the piped command
• 305[01:29:46] <|_[O_O]_|> pretty nifty :)
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• 309[01:30:41] <grml-user> replaced-url
• 310[01:30:44] <markybob> pastebin doesn't work for a lot (maybe most) of us. use paste.debian.net
• 311[01:31:00] <|_[O_O]_|> hehe, theres always a special pastebin somewhere
• 312[01:31:54] <markybob> basically now a huge chunk of this channel can't see what you pasted
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• 318[01:33:16] <|_[O_O]_|> markybob: replaced-url
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• 320[01:33:23] <|_[O_O]_|> expires in 24h
• 321[01:33:32] <grml-user> i am in a very foreign environment. please bear with me. replaced-url
• 322[01:33:43] <grml-user> btw, is there a key that will do the same as middle mouse click?
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• 327[01:34:36] <|_[O_O]_|> well then, theres a stark difference between the provided pastes
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• 333[01:35:21] <grml-user> um, did i paste the wrong thing?
• 334[01:35:36] <|_[O_O]_|> I take it the second one is what /etc/fstab really looks like
• 335[01:35:41] <grml-user> oh, one of them must be the grml /etc/fstab
• 336[01:35:47] <grml-user> ignore that one
• 337[01:36:15] <|_[O_O]_|> ahhh, yea that'll do it
• 338[01:36:18] <grml-user> i mounted /etc from sda2 and pasted its *tab into the evil pastebin
• 339[01:36:30] <grml-user> before i had the sprunge incantation
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• 343[01:36:57] <|_[O_O]_|> hehe, gotcha - what does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" look like?
• 344[01:36:59] <grml-user> how can i turn off so and so has quit from irssi?
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• 346[01:37:18] <grml-user> also, is there a keyboard equivalent to middle mouse click? mouse not working well.
• 347[01:37:27] <|_[O_O]_|> hm, might need a module for it - not sure if irssi lets you squelch joins/parts natively
• 348[01:37:31] <jmcnaught> pastebin shows adds, sometimes it makes people enter a CAPTCHA to see the paste, and one time it only showed me a cat picture. the worst in my opinion are the pastebin clones that require javascript just to see the paste
• 349[01:37:34] <|_[O_O]_|> (been using weechat too long)
• 350[01:37:41] <jmcnaught> errr.. can't type today
• 351[01:37:51] <markybob> grml-user: lsb_release -a says what? this is not what debian installer does.
• 352[01:38:24] <|_[O_O]_|> he's modified fstab/crypttab
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• 354[01:38:42] <|_[O_O]_|> from what i understand the system he is trying to boot into is Jessie
• 355[01:39:14] <|_[O_O]_|> if he does lsb_release outside of a chroot youre going to get the live images info - assuming lsb_release is available in the tool set
• 356[01:39:21] <grml-user> |_[O_O]_|: agreed about pastebin problems. it was hte only thing i could think of on grml here. ok, here is the fdisk -l i think replaced-url
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• 359[01:40:25] <grml-user> ~~~;5~;7~;3~replaced-url
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• 361[01:40:34] <grml-user> replaced-url
• 362[01:40:36] <grml-user> replaced-url
• 363[01:40:39] <grml-user> oops
• 364[01:40:44] <grml-user> ok, shift insert does what i need
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• 368[01:42:02] <grml-user> what i am talking about here is sda. i did not change fstab or crypttab on sda. yet i still cannot boot to it.
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• 372[01:44:00] <grml-user> so something changed in the ... boot sector or something? grub comes up fine, i get a choice of lots of kernels, but any one i pick waits on /dev/mapper/something (i know i saw big but might have seen others)
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• 374[01:45:05] <markybob> you said you ran update-initramfs and changed stuff. basically we can't know what you changed. change it back :P
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• 378[01:45:54] <grml-user> markybob: i can find out exactly what i did. i'll have to mount home. but i ran it on /dev/sdb, not /dev/sda. let me mount home and check.
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• 381[01:47:24] <markybob> i still want to see your lsb_release -a because debian doesn't do that and you say you didn't touch those files
• 382[01:47:40] <|_[O_O]_|> You know thats what I was wondering, but if grub recognizes the partition and kicks on the kernel - and hooks into init (systemd), then its not a grub issue, its definitely soemthing within the system itself.
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• 387[01:48:25] <|_[O_O]_|> as markybob suggests, you'll want to show us what "lsb_release -a" looks like so we can get an idea of what youre on. Make sure you chroot into the root though, otherwise we'll just get greml's info
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• 390[01:49:27] <|_[O_O]_|> I think the suggestion that they weren't modified was in reference to this particular moment, not that it hasn't been modified since the installer finished
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• 392[01:49:36] <|_[O_O]_|> just my guess :)
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• 394[01:49:52] <grml-user> ok, here is what i did. i chrooted into sdb, and ran update-initramfs -t -u -k all and then update-grub
• 395[01:50:06] <|_[O_O]_|> hehe
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• 399[01:51:08] <grml-user> markybob: i have a shell script to do a chroot, or i can follow instructions from you. which is better? :)
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• 402[01:51:41] <grml-user> what does lsb release do? it's jessie, if that helps.
• 403[01:51:42] <markybob> grml-user: i haven't given instructions. i've asked information that you've failed to give. so i guess follow them. you're making it too hard for me.
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• 406[01:52:14] <grml-user> markybob: please bear with me if i missed a message. i only have a few lines of text in this irssi, and tehre are quits and stuff.
• 407[01:52:41] <grml-user> somebody wanted me to do a command in a chroot. i am trying to know how to do the chroot, as i forgot. i guess i will go into my script and use that.
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• 413[01:56:30] <grml-user> i know markybob has given up, but i am having trouble creating the chroot, because grml says that sda1 is already mounted when i try to mount it to /media/root/boot
• 414[01:56:43] <grml-user> and i think i need that to create the chroot
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• 416[01:57:29] <grml-user> is there a way i can get a basic early shell in debian so i can mount the stuff i need and just get myself up on debian and talk to you from there? i tried rescue modes and they all had the same problem!
• 417[01:57:40] <grml-user> maybe i didn't try enough of them?
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• 425[01:59:52] <grml-user> ok, i am going to reboot and try all of the grub kernels with all of the rescue modes. if markybob gave up because i couldn't create the chroot, maybe he will like me better if i am on a native debian environment
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• 481[02:22:37] <rjsalts> pflanze: DKIM is per message
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• 485[02:23:47] <pflanze> rjsalts, what I mean, the key pair, not signatures.
• 486[02:24:12] <pflanze> Do you use a different key pair depending on the domain of the from address, or just helo name or reverse dns?
• 487[02:24:17] <rjsalts> pflanze: there is a header in each message giving the selector and domain which can be arbitrary.
• 488[02:24:41] <pflanze> I kinda know. I'm currently using one key pair for all of my domains.
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• 490[02:25:08] <pflanze> But I'm afraid that this is the wrong way to do it, and might be the reason why I'm not getting good delivery.
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• 498[02:28:59] <rjsalts> pflanze: it shouldn't matter. I'd imagine that some mail asps do the same thing where their customers have outsourced things such as newsletters and promotional email
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• 505[02:30:57] <rjsalts> pflanze: but it's pretty hard to tell as email recipients usually don't share their heuristics and they're in a state of constant change as they adapt to the spam they're receiving
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• 509[02:32:37] <ryouma> ok, i am in a native environment now, so i can communicate better. i got up on debian by trying all the kernels. i got in with sysvinit 3.16 kernel, and then i did ^D to continue after an error. the proximal problem was that there was a bad superblock error for /dev/mapper/big. another problem is that i kept getting usb disconnect spam on the terminal periodically.
• 510[02:32:44] <ryouma> the worst problem is that with all of these kernels, the text is much, much, much too small for me to read it. so i literally have to guess what i am typing. my monitor cannot be put into a different resolution from hardware. i do not know how to do so from the linux command line.
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• 516[02:35:05] <ryouma> markybob, i ran lsb_release -a (on my current tenuous setup) (if that is what you wanted) and it gave the information one would expect it to give. i.e. i am running an up to date jessie. Debian GNU/Linux 8.4 (jessie) no lsb modules available, whatever that means.
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• 518[02:35:55] <rjsalts> pflanze: so I guess what I'm saying is, experiment, see if changing domain/selector in your DKIM signing makes a difference for various recipients
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• 521[02:37:37] <pflanze> I wonder how to do that well. I've been creating new gmail accounts for that purpose, but am afraid some of google's algorithms will have detected that it's me, and think I must be a spammer, and since they know the domains are from me, too (hosted with them),
• 522[02:37:47] <pflanze> that might even explain why I've got a hard time delivering mail.
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• 525[02:38:29] <pflanze> And asking the same real people each time is useless since at some point google doesn't deliver to spam for them anymore.
• 526[02:38:44] <pflanze> Just for people I haven't sent mail to previously.
• 527[02:38:54] <ryouma> |_[O_O]_|: what i'm getting is "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/big, missing codepage or helper program, or other error" when i try to map /dev/mapper/big to /media/big.
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• 534[02:41:01] <rjsalts> ryouma: have you tried mount -t fstype?
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• 543[02:44:32] <ryouma> rjsalts: yes, it gives the same error
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• 545[02:44:54] <ryouma> smartctl does not indicate any changes from its last invocation
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• 547[02:46:05] <francium_> I got an ssd (never had one before), and was wondering if samsung 850 120GB ssds have issues with linux and the TRIM option?
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• 554[02:50:04] <markybob> francium_: there was an issue. what you need to do is use the kernel from jessie-backports as soon as you install
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• 556[02:50:40] <ryouma> so is it a coincidence that i did the update grub and update-initramfs? is it just a corrupted filesystem?
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• 560[02:51:29] <francium_> markybob: Im coming from archlinux, can you tell me which version(s) are affected and which are good for use?
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• 562[02:52:03] <francium_> Also what is the issue exactly? just TRIM?
• 563[02:52:07] <markybob> francium_: basically anything in the 4 family is fine. jessie has 3.16. jessie-backports has 4.5
• 564[02:52:14] <markybob> francium_: yes, just trim
• 565[02:52:49] <markybob> francium_: backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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• 568[02:53:26] <francium_> markybob: 4x kernel's have no issue's at all? And I am able to safely use 'discard' option?
• 569[02:53:39] <markybob> francium_: i'm not aware of any issue
• 570[02:53:45] <francium_> First ssd, so just wanna be sure about this stuff
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• 572[02:54:04] <francium_> do you own a ssd or specifically a samsung ssd?
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• 574[02:54:13] <markybob> francium_: i do. not samsung
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• 580[02:56:27] <francium_> markybob: with the 3.x kernel, ssd would be fine as long as I dont use TRIM option?
• 581[02:57:19] <zykotick9> ahhh. /me is using 3.16 with ssd and trim (and encrypted lvm)... what is the issue?
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• 586[02:58:43] <zykotick9> /: 15.2 GiB (16322314240 bytes) trimmed
• 587[02:59:14] <francium_> zykotick9: I just got an samsung 850 ssd and want to know if there are issues with using it and or using the TRIM option
• 588[02:59:45] <francium_> zykotick9: What do you mean 15.2Gib trimmed? New to this stuff, so don't know what the exactly means
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• 591[03:00:24] <zykotick9> francium_: do you mean adding trim to fstab? <- that's not such a great idea... using fstrim on a regular basis (i don't) is better...
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• 594[03:00:50] <ryouma> are there tools to investigate the bad superblock error? should i try testdisk?
• 595[03:00:51] <francium_> zykotick9: I think the fstab option is 'discard'
• 596[03:00:56] <zykotick9> francium_: fyi, what i ran to get the above output was "fstrim -v /" as root
• 597[03:01:16] <zykotick9> francium_: ya, discard in fstab isn't the greatest idea i hear... ymmv?
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• 599[03:02:04] <francium_> markybob suggested using backport kernel (4x) which doesn't have issue
• 600[03:02:28] <zykotick9> francium_: and that _might_ be a good idea? i don't know what the issue is!!
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• 603[03:03:08] <francium_> this is what i was reading, replaced-url
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• 607[03:03:57] <francium_> zykotick9: I also talked to a guy on #archlinux, who has 840 and 850 drives and said he uses 'discard' option in fstab
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• 609[03:04:13] <markybob> francium_: that's my understanding. sorry i went out for a smoke
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• 611[03:05:21] <francium_> What exacty is TRIM and waht does it do? I tried searching, but I'd love to hear it explained by one of you
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• 613[03:06:15] <markybob> francium_: "A Trim command (known as TRIM in the ATA command set, and UNMAP in the SCSI command set) allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally."
• 614[03:06:47] <francium_> so it wipes blocks that have deleted files?
• 615[03:06:50] <zykotick9> francium_: gotta say, this is all "news" to me... but i DO believe both the debian wiki & what markybob is telling you. i've never run into issue myself - but if wiki+markybob are in aggrement, you'd better listen ;) best of luck.
• 616[03:07:15] <francium_> zykotick9: about the 4.x kernel?
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• 619[03:07:24] <zykotick9> dunno, never run it myself...
• 620[03:07:44] <francium_> zykotick9: you just run fstrim from terminal manually right?
• 621[03:08:01] <francium_> or what do you do? Not use trim at all?
• 622[03:08:04] <markybob> francium_: if you want to use trim and insure no issues use jessie-backports and from what i read you'll be fine
• 623[03:08:04] <zykotick9> correct. /me would suggest a cron job perhaps...
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• 626[03:08:45] <zykotick9> francium_: seriously, personally i'd be listening to markybob's advice on this!
• 627[03:09:02] <francium_> zykotick9: Ofcourse, just wanna hear your expeirnce also
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• 629[03:10:04] <zykotick9> i've never had issue. and personally i think using discard in fstab can actually lead to slowdown issue... but i'm NOT an expert at all.
• 630[03:10:08] <ryouma> is this issue only relevant to samsung?
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• 632[03:10:33] <markybob> ryouma: that particular drive was known to have serious issues
• 633[03:10:40] <rdplnt> Hi. Any anonymous free vpn servers without registering an account?
• 634[03:10:41] <francium_> debian wiki's link to kernel code shows a few other disks as well
• 635[03:11:17] <zykotick9> francium_: NOTE, i'm NOT using the same model(s) as you.
• 636[03:11:35] <francium_> zykotick9: which are you using anyway?
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• 640[03:13:19] <francium_> one last thing, what about disk encryption? Haven't done that before, any guide on how to get started? I don't think I need an LVM, just disk encryption
• 641[03:13:22] <zykotick9> francium_: i have a couple ssds (all small 128 or less) - this one is... OK, how to i get my HD info?!?!?
• 642[03:13:38] <francium_> "smartctl -a"
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• 644[03:14:41] <markybob> francium_: if you've never done it before just let the debian installer do it for you
• 645[03:14:45] <shadows> be *careful* with smartctl
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• 650[03:15:18] <shadows> zykotick9: if you run a Gnome desktop environment, there's a user interface "Gnome Disks"
• 651[03:15:37] <zykotick9> francium_: "apt install smartmontools && smartctl -a /dev/sda" ;) = ADATA SX900
• 652[03:15:38] <shadows> francium_: I ran encryption on a few machines, not currently though, what's the goal?
• 653[03:15:51] <zykotick9> shadows: i'm not ;)
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• 655[03:16:27] <francium_> markybob: let the debian installer do disk encryption? Where exaclty is that option?
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• 657[03:16:44] <markybob> francium_: it'll prompt you. you can't miss it
• 658[03:16:49] * zykotick9 uses netinst's encrypted/lvm on his SSD drives!
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• 660[03:17:09] <shadows> zykotick9: okay what is being said would be helpful but please read the manual page, there are smartctl options that can intiate a low-level wipe of your data, and it's not difficult to imagine typing the wrong thing by mistake to get that started
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• 664[03:18:04] <zykotick9> shadows: i wasn't the one suggesting it ;) i was the poor user using it... but it did show me my HD manufacturer in this case
• 665[03:18:08] <francium_> markybob: let say something goes wrong, i need to backup that disk via a usb adapter or soemthing, what is the process of decrpyting the disk when i mount it on another linux machine?
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• 669[03:18:56] <markybob> francium_: you use a live cd to mount it and decrypt it. but don't every let yourself get to that point. backup *before* it fails. hourly even
• 670[03:19:10] <markybob> ever*
• 671[03:19:57] <francium_> markybob: I mean, what is the command for decrypting? Have never done any disk encrypting at all, that's why i ask
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• 673[03:20:26] <markybob> francium_: you'd use cryptsetup
• 674[03:20:36] <zykotick9> francium_: sidenote, decrypting is actually easy "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/foo NAME-foo" but mounting the LVM stuff i always have to look up online ;)
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• 676[03:20:59] <shadows> francium_: those are user interfaces which wrap kernel interfaces
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• 678[03:21:54] <shadows> francium_: long story is the kernel does this all through dmsetup (dm-N devices) and luks encryption is one of those modules for that interface
• 679[03:22:00] <francium_> Just wanna thank you both for helping me out. One last thing, is there is difference between different ecryption method? I know there is truecrypt and dm-crypt
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• 681[03:22:19] <shadows> truecrypt is not in the linux kernel upstream so far as I am aware
• 682[03:22:31] <shadows> dm-crypt is the underlying thing that cryptsetup activates
• 683[03:22:35] <markybob> francium_: don't touch truecrypt. it's done and fucked
• 684[03:23:25] <jmcnaught> cryptsetup can be used to open truecrypt volumes actually
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• 687[03:24:06] <markybob> still not something you want to put you eggs in
• 688[03:24:11] <francium_> so default debian encryption is the type of encyption you hear about the fuzz trying to break into and failing on the news? Not imply anything just wanna, know it's not something you break easily
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• 691[03:24:27] <markybob> francium_: right
• 692[03:24:30] <jmcnaught> no but handy to know if you need to use one.
• 693[03:24:51] <markybob> i mean who knows what the NSA can do...but aside from that...
• 694[03:25:14] <francium_> well i dont consider my self on any significant radar
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• 696[03:26:20] <francium_> What about this one story I read, parts of the disk aren't encrpyted and can be used to bypass the entire encryption and extract keys or something
• 697[03:26:25] <jmcnaught> disk encryption still helps protect your data if the computer is stolen
• 698[03:26:37] <ryouma> what is the right tool to examine a corrupted filesystem? debugfs says bad magic number.
• 699[03:26:43] <markybob> francium_: swap and /boot arent encrypted by default
• 700[03:26:58] <shadows> francium_: put another way, it's also easily identifiable as having been an encrypted volume. If someone comes looking, there's a LUKS signature
• 701[03:27:25] <ryouma> do i have to just restore from backup? or can i fix the magic number?
• 702[03:27:25] <francium_> is that an issue people need to look out for?
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• 706[03:27:43] <markybob> francium_: if you have something really secret in swap you could get fucked. but if you're not doing anything super secret you're fine
• 707[03:27:54] <shadows> francium_: depending on local laws, ie. it can really cause problems at the border between nations
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• 710[03:28:15] <francium_> a reboot should clean out swap though right?
• 711[03:28:27] <markybob> francium_: correct
• 712[03:28:28] <themill> isn't swap-inside-lvm-inside-luks what the installer tries to do?
• 713[03:28:36] <markybob> francium_: may be recovered though
• 714[03:28:45] <shadows> themill: suspend won't work like that
• 715[03:28:46] <francium_> again this is just randomly question asking, not really relevent
• 716[03:28:51] <themill> shadows: does here
• 717[03:28:53] <markybob> themill: did that change?
• 718[03:28:56] <shadows> really?
• 719[03:29:10] <themill> markybob: dunno, it's so long since I did this installation... but I don't recall doing anything special
• 720[03:29:19] <shadows> I must have missed some kind of magic voodoo to fix the logical flaw in that process since I last looked into it 10 years ago :/
• 721[03:29:44] <francium_> markybob and zykotick9 thanks again
• 722[03:29:58] <shadows> themill: suspend to ram? suspend to disk? does it ask for password on resume?
• 723[03:30:01] <themill> shadows: you unlock the luks partition in initramfs; /boot is outside the enrypted container
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• 725[03:30:07] <themill> shadows: both; yes.
• 726[03:30:35] <shadows> good report, thanks
• 727[03:30:40] <themill> (it doesn't ask for a luks passphrase on suspend to ram, only for suspend to disk)
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• 733[03:31:35] <themill> having the data encrypted is a sufficiently standard corporate policy these days it's no longer a sign of having something to hide
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• 784[04:10:27] <smev> anyone still using the abaca email filter ?
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• 787[04:14:43] <christian_> hello
• 788[04:14:53] <markybob> smev: isn't that a hardware filter?
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• 792[04:16:47] <markybob> smev: yeah. since you give them money contact them if you need support. offtopic here.
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• 814[04:29:30] <smev> markybob: yea, they also made a debian vmware version. They don't support it anymore unfortunately, having a heck of a time trying to track it down
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• 821[04:34:22] <markybob> smev: i'm sure you understand why we can't support that. it's not an ideological thing
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• 823[04:38:33] <smev> markybob: I understand your point. I was just hoping someone might have a copy. Not really looking for support
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• 829[04:42:57] <shadows> vmware version how?
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• 831[04:43:12] <shadows> as in a pre-made image of debian that runs as a guest?
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• 834[04:45:49] <smev> shadows: correct
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• 838[04:48:08] <tekv> Hi, using debian with gnome 3.18. I cannot stop the on-screen keyboard from popping up on a laptop. Have set the "Screen Keyboard" to OFF in the dropdown menu in the menu bar
• 839[04:49:34] <tekv> The on-screen keyboard is also disabled in in Univeral Access settings.
• 840[04:50:09] <tekv> ...but still pops up every time the screen is touched.
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• 843[04:52:51] <markybob> tekv: how do you have that? jessie has 3.14. sid has 3.20
• 844[04:53:02] <markybob> tekv: i doubt you're using debian
• 845[04:53:13] <tekv> using stretch
• 846[04:53:25] <markybob> tekv: you're in the wrong place. read /topic
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• 848[04:54:12] <markybob> people that expect testing to work ...seriously. wtf.
• 849[04:54:32] <markybob> at least read the /topic
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• 852[04:56:17] <jawsh> Hello
• 853[04:56:24] <dvs> there's a topic?
• 854[04:56:39] <markybob> not that anyone reads
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• 856[04:57:11] <jawsh> I have a problem with performing a netinstall. Is this a place I can ask for help?
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• 859[04:58:57] <tekv> Testing has always been very reliable for me; hardware not supported by stable. Have asked question in gnome irc; will see if anyone in debian-next has fix for issue.
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• 861[05:00:13] <dvs> tekv, but testing will break once in a while
• 862[05:00:19] <dvs> jawsh, ask away
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• 868[05:01:37] <jawsh> Thanks. I've got a Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi chip which I can't seem to get working. None of the drivers I've found online have been accepted by the installer.
• 869[05:01:50] <dvs> !firmware iso
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• 871[05:01:50] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 877[05:02:35] <jawsh> Oh, that sounds handy.
• 878[05:02:39] <jawsh> Thanks
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• 887[05:04:43] <dvs> no prob
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• 914[05:25:21] <rjsalts> does anyone know of a wiki which has an email gateway, i.e. you can create/edit a page by sending an email message to the wiki email address
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• 929[05:40:06] <rjsalts> the answer is moinmoin
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• 977[06:06:29] <JZA> hi I want to setup a new vhost but I am having issues understanding how my server know how to route the traffict to the other site.
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• 979[06:07:56] <JZA> I followed Digital ocean vhost manual, it tells me to edit the /etc/apache/sites-available/default, clone it and edit the variables for ServerAlias, ServerAdmin and ServerName... also edit the Document Root and the Directory, finally point my domain to the IP of the box.
• 980[06:08:26] <JZA> but right now, everything is still going to default and I am not sure how the server is aware that is coming from a different domain.
• 981[06:08:35] <JZA> Do I need to edit the port? or what?
• 982[06:08:39] <JZA> or /etc/hosts
• 983[06:09:48] <Rusty1_> try also #httpd if nobody here can help
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• 986[06:10:21] <JZA> yes
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• 991[06:11:27] <JZA> does httpd 'knows' if the traffic came from domain1.com or domain2.com?
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• 994[06:11:49] <jmcnaught> yes
• 995[06:11:55] <JZA> oh ok
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• 1058[07:07:08] <jim> which package creates the os user gnats?
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• 1093[07:36:55] <Tsutsukakushi> which package in debian hurd was updated that now requires all this junk replaced-url
• 1094[07:36:58] <Tsutsukakushi> :/
• 1095[07:37:15] <slima> Hi, I have a problem. I need bind9 with dlz-mysql, so I get source via apt, in debian/rules I'm added option, but when I do dpkg-buildpackage it's fail because of 'mysql.h: No such file' mysql.h is in /usr/include/mysql/ How can I add this path to dpkg-buildpackage?
• 1096[07:37:29] <nix1947> My keyboard and mouse aand all other USB device are not recognized, I am only able to login SSH, I think the prblem is with my udev, and I am running Jessie,
• 1097[07:37:37] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: as questions go, that's about as vague as you can get
• 1098[07:37:42] <nix1947> How to fix the USB devices problem
• 1099[07:37:57] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: what extra info do you want
• 1100[07:38:05] <nix1947> so, these are all the logs that I have pasted
• 1101[07:38:06] <nix1947> replaced-url
• 1102[07:38:15] <Tsutsukakushi> that's on a base install with no de
• 1103[07:38:18] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: what release? what command does that come from?
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• 1106[07:38:27] <Tsutsukakushi> apt upgrade
• 1107[07:38:30] <apt> Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.
• 1108[07:38:31] <Tsutsukakushi> sid
• 1109[07:38:38] <themill> full command and full output would be a good start
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• 1112[07:40:24] <nix1947> Hello everyone, How to fix the USB problem, that is not recognized in my debian
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• 1114[07:41:38] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: replaced-url
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• 1117[07:42:24] <nix1947> Tsutsukakushi: Do you know how to downgrade udev in debian 8
• 1118[07:43:03] <Tsutsukakushi> is that relevant to my question?
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• 1125[07:47:00] <anes> Dear Friends, I need to create system image iso ... remastersys not working fine .. Any other tool in debian?
• 1126[07:47:35] <cynicallemon> refracta snapshot
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• 1128[07:47:58] <cynicallemon> and installer
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• 1130[07:48:50] <zjk> Hi, can I ask ubuntu questions here? I'm trying to understand the output of aptitude why and why-not
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• 1132[07:49:19] <zjk> I also posted my question here [ replaced-url
• 1133[07:49:34] <cynicallemon> zjk ask on #ubuntu
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• 1137[07:49:55] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: definitely -- nothing in the list of upgraded packages jumps out at me, but your answer is in there.
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• 1140[07:52:22] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: nothing should jump out since i installed the os and chose the no-de option
• 1141[07:52:31] <Tsutsukakushi> so there should be nothing there that requires X11
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• 1143[07:52:49] <themill> there's no X11 there
• 1144[07:53:09] <Tsutsukakushi> well
• 1145[07:53:16] <cynicallemon> Tsutsukakushi, maybe gcc?
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• 1147[07:53:18] <Tsutsukakushi> x11-utils, x11-bunchofstuff
• 1148[07:53:20] <anes> cynicallemon: which source can use : /testing/refractainstaller-gui_9.1.8_all.deb is it enough from sourceforge?
• 1149[07:53:35] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: which is hundreds of MB different to X11
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• 1152[07:53:59] <Tsutsukakushi> this is hundreds of MB different from not having all this junk
• 1153[07:54:19] <cynicallemon> Tsutsukakushi, is that install in a vm like virtualbox?
• 1154[07:54:26] <Tsutsukakushi> no
• 1155[07:54:33] <Tsutsukakushi> it's on real hardware
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• 1157[07:55:28] <themill> the size will be mostly from texlive not a couple of x11 libraries
• 1158[07:55:47] <cynicallemon> anes, just use the latest available snapshot and installer debs
• 1159[07:56:01] <Tsutsukakushi> what requires that?
• 1160[07:56:07] <Tsutsukakushi> that didn't previously require it
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• 1162[07:56:29] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: that's actually easier for you to work out than me because you've got the system in front of you
• 1163[07:56:44] <Tsutsukakushi> what command tells me that then?
• 1164[07:56:47] <cynicallemon> anes, if youre happy on the commandline then no need for gui addons
• 1165[07:57:33] <Tsutsukakushi> some package managers tell straight away what has added a new dependency
• 1166[07:57:33] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: "aptitude upgrade -W -D" will likely be informative
• 1167[07:58:21] <Tsutsukakushi> k
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• 1170[08:00:03] <Tsutsukakushi> seems like its most, if not all for texinfo :/
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• 1172[08:01:03] <anes> cynicallemon: then please give the command to install same?
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• 1174[08:01:04] <themill> texinfo Depends: tex-common (>= 6)
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• 1176[08:02:33] <themill> ahh no, Recommends: texlive-fonts-recommended
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• 1178[08:03:05] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: you can try preventing the upgrade from installing recommended packages (-R with aptitude)
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• 1184[08:06:06] <Tsutsukakushi> thanks
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• 1189[08:07:22] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: did that solve it?
• 1190[08:07:32] <Tsutsukakushi> yeah
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• 1196[08:10:03] <anes> cynicallemon: I got command 'refractainstaller' on terminal .. I need to create only snapshot
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• 1203[08:12:30] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: excellent. Can you please report a bug against texinfo pointing out that the Recommends has unwanted consequences (given texinfo is Priority: standard) and that suggesting that it be downgraded to a Suggests?
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• 1206[08:12:51] <Tsutsukakushi> ok
• 1207[08:13:10] <Tsutsukakushi> does thje bug tracker require me to register?
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• 1230[08:22:26] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: no, just send the properly formatted email; the reportbug package can do that for you
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• 1251[08:35:54] <anes> refracta snapshot gui not working in Debian jessie , any body please advise
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• 1253[08:36:42] <cynicallemon> anes, not working how?
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• 1255[08:36:50] <anes> i am using version 9.3.33
• 1256[08:37:18] <anes> cynicallemon: when select GUI not show any thing?
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• 1258[08:37:35] <cynicallemon> anes, just use the terminal
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• 1261[08:38:01] <cynicallemon> as root, refractasnapshot
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• 1263[08:38:17] <cynicallemon> then follow instructions
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• 1283[08:49:48] <anes> cynicallemon: Created iso with name : snapshot-20160519_1216.iso but it have 31.5 MB
• 1284[08:50:08] <anes> cynicallemon: why this small file ??
• 1285[08:50:23] <cynicallemon> not sure
• 1286[08:51:12] <anes> i think its not working properly right?
• 1287[08:51:21] <cynicallemon> try again and make sure about the answers you give to the questions
• 1288[08:51:33] <cynicallemon> 31.5 is way too small
• 1289[08:51:44] <anes> cynicallemon: any other tool which work in Debian Jessie?
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• 1295[08:53:00] <cynicallemon> anes, if it doesn't work i would install an different/older version of the snapshot
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• 1298[08:55:12] <anes> that refractsnapshot old version right?
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• 1301[08:56:19] <cynicallemon> 9.3.33 isn't on their download page at sourceforge, you might be using a beta or sid/testing version
• 1302[08:56:45] <cynicallemon> replaced-url
• 1303[08:57:20] <cynicallemon> 9.2.22 is the latest stable
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• 1403[10:01:44] <no_gravity> I am downloading 1G to my mp3 player via USB and it says it will takt 50m. Ok. But why is my internet now slow too?
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• 1427[10:09:56] <kripx> check you bandwidth no_gravity
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• 1430[10:11:34] <no_gravity> It's fast on my other computers. Only the one that fills my MP3 player is slow.
• 1431[10:11:50] <no_gravity> That's what I find strange.
• 1432[10:12:40] <no_gravity> Why does the USB transfer clog up the wifi?
• 1433[10:12:46] <ChrisH> no_gravity: check load via uptime. I assume it's high
• 1434[10:13:06] <no_gravity> ChrisH: it's 1,93 1,52 1,23
• 1435[10:13:19] <no_gravity> Not much. I have 8 Cores.
• 1436[10:13:47] <ChrisH> no_gravity: I had strange bahaviour with USB and filetransfers
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• 1478[10:36:27] <anes> how to add preseed when creating iso using refractasnapshot?
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• 1480[10:37:12] <anes> I created iso using refractasnapshot, but I don't know how to edit it?
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• 1487[10:40:23] <Iridos> what's refractasnapshot?
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• 1489[10:41:07] <FinalX> this, I guess, replaced-url
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• 1491[10:41:38] <Iridos> can't be, he wouldn't ask about that in #debian
• 1492[10:41:52] <Iridos> dpkg, refracta
• 1493[10:41:53] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Iridos
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• 1504[10:50:21] <Iridos> dpkg, refracta is <reply> Refracta (replaced-url
• 1505[10:50:21] <dpkg> Iridos: okay
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• 1522[11:01:18] <Sakami> Hi. How to install cross toolchains in debian jessie?
• 1523[11:01:40] <Sakami> I tried adding emdebian repos, but their signing key is invalid
• 1524[11:01:50] <Sakami> accroding to replaced-url
• 1525[11:01:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1556[11:18:20] <Voyager82> Hello. I hope this is the proper channel to ask. I currently have installed on my PC Debian Jessie. I'm trying to install aMule, but aMule is not present in the Jessie repos. I've read, in the internet, that other people had the same problem. What do you think is the best (and painless) solution? :) Thank you in advance.
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• 1564[11:24:32] <fireba11> Voyager82: technically you're wrong here since the outermost boundary for debian is what is included in the debian repository :-D
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• 1566[11:26:23] <Voyager82> fireba11, yes. The point is that aMule "was" in the repos, and it seems that "still is" in the repos, at least in the "sid" distro. :) My question was if upgrading to "sid" (unstable) is the only solution.
• 1567[11:27:34] <bazhang> ,v amule
• 1568[11:27:35] <judd> Package: amule on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b2; stretch: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b2
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• 1570[11:27:58] <eject_ck> Hi all
• 1571[11:28:00] <eject_ck> On high-loaded servers I'm using bond-ed interface with 2x 1Gbe slave interfaces, want to get 2Gbe for both inbound and outbound traffic. I do have VLAN interface which is using bond0 - "vlan-raw-device bond0". On switch (Cisco 2960) I have portchannel with active mode configured. I'm using bond-mode 802.3ad, bond-lacp-rate 1 and bond-xmit-hash-policy encap3+4 (also tried with bond-xmit-hash-policy layer3+4) and running iperf
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• 1575[11:28:25] <bazhang> ##networking eject_ck
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• 1577[11:28:36] <Voyager82> What is Jessie-multimedia?
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• 1579[11:29:28] <bazhang> did you mean whats in it?
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• 1581[11:29:52] <themill> Voyager82: deb-multimedia.org (not recommended; the bot carries the data so we can debug the problems it causes)
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• 1583[11:30:55] <jelly> eject_ck: you'll never get full 2Gpbs with a single tcp connection, have to use multiple connections
• 1584[11:31:09] <rook2pawn> xset s off; xset q; still shows prefer blanking: yes timeout: 0, additionally DPMS Standby:600
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• 1586[11:31:29] <Voyager82> What is the most "painless" solution to solve the problem? I've read that some people, modified their "sources.list" files, just to install aMule from "sid", and that put it back to normal. Some other people directly installed "aMule" from the ".deb" files.
• 1587[11:31:39] <rook2pawn> is there a way to just stop the DPMS stuff. i thought xset s off should deal with it all ?
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• 1589[11:32:22] <fireba11> Voyager82: you can check if it's in backports
• 1590[11:32:51] <Voyager82> fireba11, I should look for backports.
• 1591[11:32:51] <eject_ck> jelly: I do have both multiple tcp sessions for outbound traffic (-P5 and using client connection to two different ports on server(s)).
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• 1593[11:33:47] <eject_ck> On client host I can confirm I can "generate" 2 Gb of traffic (outbound) which is balanced on both interfaces, but not on "iperf server" where it comes over single NIC.
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• 1597[11:34:58] <Voyager82> fireba11, however it seems it's in "stretch", but I don't want to upgrade my distro yet. I'm still looking for the least "painful" solution, at the present moment. :)
• 1598[11:35:13] <jelly> eject_ck: can you confirm with "cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0" your intended settings are active?
• 1599[11:35:49] <jelly> on the linux side
• 1600[11:35:56] <eject_ck> yes
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• 1602[11:36:08] <eject_ck> it's there in pastebin replaced-url
• 1603[11:36:39] <eject_ck> I posted config from two hosts (actually I have 4 with same configuration)
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• 1605[11:36:56] <eject_ck> Only suspicious I have is that i'm using VLAN on top of bond0
• 1606[11:37:20] <eject_ck> that's why I have Transmit Hash Policy: encap3+4 (4)
• 1607[11:37:25] <eject_ck> make sense for me
• 1608[11:37:31] <Voyager82> If I install aMule from the "deb" file, should I expect any problem with dependencies?
• 1609[11:37:32] <eject_ck> also tried with layer3+4
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• 1614[11:41:08] <jelly> eject_ck: we used xmit_hash_policy 1 (layer3+4) and a bunch of vlans in a trunk on top of bond and it worked
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• 1618[11:42:09] <jelly> as in it got 2 phys. ifaces on a server filled with traffic from multiple clients
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• 1630[11:45:15] <eject_ck> jelly: I tried, got same results
• 1631[11:45:18] <eject_ck> will try again
• 1632[11:45:34] <eject_ck> btw, what switches you are using :?
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• 1637[11:48:30] <eject_ck> are you getting 2Gb for both rx and tx ?
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• 1640[11:50:47] <Voyager82> Hi. I couldn't find any backport for installing "aMule" on Debian Jessie. I could try to install it from "Wheezy", "Stretch" or "Sid", but I'm a little afraid of the dependencies. Do you have any suggestion?
• 1641[11:51:08] <bigstylee> hi. i am trying to get svn1.7 on jessie and google isn't being my friend today. is anyone able to point me in the right direction please?
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• 1682[12:14:59] <Walex> bigstylee: 'apt-cache policy subversion'
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• 1686[12:16:40] <Walex> Voyager82: you can download source package and recompile, a local backport, e.g. with replaced-url
• 1687[12:16:49] <bigstylee> if i am to understand the output correctly, it looks like ubuntu jessie doesn't support 1.7
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• 1692[12:18:29] <Walex> bigstylee: that would be surprising
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• 1694[12:18:52] <Walex> bigstylee: replaced-url
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• 1702[12:21:57] <Voyager82> Walex, should I expect any problems with dependencies? I've read that some other people encountered some, when they did something like that.
• 1703[12:22:29] <bigstylee> forgive me, all abit new to me. but i am looking at "subversion (1.8.10-6+deb8u4)" which i interupt as svn1.8 and i am after 1.7? dont see any references to 1.7 on that page or 'apt-cache policy'
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• 1708[12:23:57] <jelly> ,v subversion
• 1709[12:23:58] <judd> Package: subversion on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.12dfsg-7; squeeze-security: 1.6.12dfsg-7; squeeze-security-lts: 1.6.12dfsg-7+deb6u3; wheezy: 1.6.17dfsg-4+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1.6.17dfsg-4+deb7u11; wheezy-backports: 1.8.10-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.10-6+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.8.10-6+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.8.10-6+deb8u4; sid: 1.9.4-1; stretch: 1.9.4-1
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• 1713[12:24:57] <jelly> bigstylee: there is no 1.7 in a debian release apparently
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• 1716[12:26:34] <jelly> bigstylee: if you need it you'll have to build it yourself
• 1717[12:26:39] <bigstylee> i found some instructions for getting 1.7 on Wheezy which invovled added new apt sources.
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• 1719[12:27:04] <bigstylee> i will find another work around. ty for the help.
• 1720[12:27:21] <jelly> bigstylee: what makes 1.8 from jessie unsuitable for your needs anyway?
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• 1723[12:28:11] <bigstylee> my colleagues are still using 1.7
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• 1728[12:28:54] <bigstylee> we dont do local development, so we need to be in sync on svn version
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• 1731[12:29:12] <Voyager82> Walex, I'll read carefully what you suggested. It seems to be able to solve the problem. Thank you.
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• 1737[12:29:57] <jelly> bigstylee: if a version was at any point present in debian, you can find it on snapshot.debian.org
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• 1740[12:31:42] <jelly> not sure why it matters what version you use locally, as long as the repo you all commit to is some older version, but okay
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• 1743[12:33:51] <bigstylee> i am abit of a n00b and use tortoiseSVN for my commits. i have setup a local environment for a new project as a bit of a test. tis alright though, i can commit on the command line when working locally and use tortoiseSVN for the other projects.
• 1744[12:34:41] <bigstylee> we use samba for other projects and the format the of the .svn folder changes from 1.7 to 1.8
• 1745[12:35:45] <themill> sharing a checkout always seems attractive but never works well
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• 1747[12:36:46] <bigstylee> we rarely are working on the same project at the same time, so its not too much of an issue for us.
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• 1750[12:37:57] <bigstylee> but there is some real benefit to working locally by removing the network traffic delay in terms of commits and IDE. so something i am trying to champion.
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• 1754[12:39:20] <themill> There's plenty of build systems and IDEs that can't cope with the source on something like samba too
• 1755[12:40:08] <TomTomTosch> sounds like the decentralized nature of git would be more suited for you.
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• 1761[12:44:16] <bigstylee> aslong as you map the network drive, PHPStorm (our IDE of choice) works pretty well
• 1762[12:44:19] <bigstylee> yeh, git i think would be a positive move too. small steps atm!
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• 1766[12:46:39] <Voyager82> Can I follow this procedure to install aMule? replaced-url
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• 1770[12:48:13] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport amule
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• 1772[12:48:26] <TomTomTosch> hmpf
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• 1776[12:49:39] <judd> Backporting package amule in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
• 1777[12:50:11] <TomTomTosch> ha! Voyager82 ^
• 1778[12:50:29] <TomTomTosch> ,v amule
• 1779[12:50:30] <judd> Package: amule on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b2; stretch: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b2
• 1780[12:50:36] <Voyager82> Can I backport from "stretch"?
• 1781[12:50:52] <TomTomTosch> Voyager82: they have the same version so it doesn't matter.
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• 1784[12:52:07] <Voyager82> TomTomTosch, if I backport from "Sid", is there the "risk" that I install some Sid "libraries" that conflict with other "Jessie" package. In understand that I'll remove the "Sid" deb-src line, after installing aMule.
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• 1786[12:52:39] <TomTomTosch> Voyager82: no, it will pull the source for only that package and install all deps from jessie.
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• 1788[12:53:26] <Voyager82> Ok. And then I'll remove the Sid deb-src line from sources.list.
• 1789[12:53:48] <willemb> i have unallocated space in a logical volume group. the lvm was built on top of a 2 disk raid 1 setup. Is it possible to reduce the pv, then the partition?
• 1790[12:53:49] <TomTomTosch> if you wish, it doesn't hurt.
• 1791[12:53:57] <willemb> or, where else should I ask about this?
• 1792[12:54:13] <mRokita_> How can i edit /etc/pam.d/su to make user a su without password to user b only if user a is connected through ssh?
• 1793[12:54:16] <Voyager82> TomTomTosch, doesn't it, when I go "apt-get upgrade"?
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• 1795[12:54:37] <TomTomTosch> Voyager82: not the deb-src line.
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• 1798[12:55:35] <Voyager82> Ok. Too bad they erased it from Jessie, though. :)
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• 1811[12:58:01] <TomTomTosch> Voyager82: yeah, it was removed from testing on 18 Jul 2014, so it didn't make it into jessie. i guess they didn't fix the bugs in time.
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• 1825[13:01:19] <jelly> eject_ck: [switches] used to be cisco 2970G and 2960G, now it's a nexus of some kind [direction] only cared about rx, haven't tried to push more than 1Gbps out at the same time
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• 1827[13:01:38] <Voyager82> I've always asked myself what will happens when they run out of character's names from Toy Story. :)
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• 1869[13:21:37] <fireba11> Voyager82: this sbould take at least 20 more years ...
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• 1898[13:38:34] <G66K> hello everyone, i was wondering if there any package that allows you to extract files using right-click
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• 1903[13:46:27] <musca> G66K: plenty ...
• 1904[13:46:50] <musca> which desktop and which filemanager do you use?
• 1905[13:49:06] <musca> ,info file-roller
• 1906[13:49:07] <judd> Package file-roller (gnome, optional) in jessie/amd64: archive manager for GNOME. Version: 3.14.1-1; Size: 1065.6k; Installed: 7556k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1907[13:49:31] <G66K> musca Gnome
• 1908[13:49:51] <G66K> well i just install file-roller thanks though
• 1909[13:50:49] <musca> G66K: it integrates with nautilus (aka "files")
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• 1938[14:05:09] <hmpf> Hello!
• 1939[14:05:52] <hmpf> I'm wokring on a ALSA driver for a custom codec device. Could I ask something about that here, or can you point me to a better channel for that?
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• 1941[14:06:10] <jelly> /msg alis list *alsa*
• 1942[14:06:22] <hmpf> k, thx
• 1943[14:06:49] <jelly> or dunno, #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net ?
• 1944[14:07:05] <jelly> there is a ##kernel here on freenode, too
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• 2005[14:39:40] <_mel_> hello. i have a xen guest without access to the console output. can i redirect messages for the console, like starting and stopping services to syslog?
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• 2008[14:41:51] <kripx> maybe
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• 2014[14:45:34] <_mel_> a remove syslog server is configured. but i don't get service messages like [ OK ] and so on. so i don't know exactly where it hangs
• 2015[14:46:03] <_mel_> can i make sure to reboot the server after some countdown / watchdog?
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• 2021[14:49:34] <FriendsNone> what packages should i install to have audio?
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• 2024[14:50:32] <Voyager82> Is it normal that it takes some time, when I execute "apt-get -b source PACKAGE_NAME"?
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• 2031[14:52:16] <FriendsNone> what packages should i install to have audio?
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• 2035[14:54:20] <blind> dpkg: tell FriendsNone about alsa checklist
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• 2044[14:55:35] <Voyager82> FriendsNone, try to open the mixer to see if the volume is ok.
• 2045[14:56:28] <FriendsNone> its a fresh install and i dont have alsa installed
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• 2048[14:57:08] <FriendsNone> thats why i'm asking what packages should i get/install
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• 2050[14:58:01] <Voyager82> FriendsNone, most distro, as far as I know, install Alsa automatically. I feel to suggest you to check everything first, before you attempot to (probably) re-install Alsa.
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• 2053[14:59:39] <Voyager82> FriendsNone, open the mixer. There must be one available even in the GUI environment.
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• 2062[15:02:54] <Voyager82> Try the following gommand, as root: "alsactl init". However, read the following page for further details: replaced-url
• 2063[15:03:02] <Voyager82> FriendsNone.
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• 2081[15:11:17] <Sakami> How can I use the emdebian toolchain in debian jessie?
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• 2083[15:11:27] <Sakami> As I add their repo I got 'W: GPG error: replaced-url
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• 2099[15:21:26] <Sakami> I've updated emdebian-archive-keyring 2.0.5 from sid repo and it still wont work.
• 2100[15:21:46] <centrx> Ah that’s what I was just going to recommend
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• 2102[15:22:11] <centrx> Sakami You tried the one for jessie already?
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• 2108[15:23:12] <Iridos> Sakami, emdebian has been discontinued since June 2014...
• 2109[15:23:20] <themill> REVKEYSIG means the signature is by a revoked key, no amount of updating will change that
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• 2111[15:23:53] <Sakami> Iridos: emdebian-archive-keyring for debian jessie is 2.0.4
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• 2113[15:24:29] <Sakami> Iridos: So is there a way I can get a useable armel cross toolchain on debian jessie?
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• 2116[15:25:34] <FriendsNone> I solved my own problem
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• 2122[15:27:01] <Iridos> Sakami, good question... did you look at the wiki at replaced-url
• 2123[15:27:32] <Iridos> well, and replaced-url
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• 2135[15:32:26] <Sakami> Iridos: Thanks. It seems that they all refer to replaced-url
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• 2138[15:33:18] <Avernos_> hi
• 2139[15:33:18] <Avernos_> followed this doc however nothing changes when i do hostname -f
• 2140[15:33:18] <Avernos_> replaced-url
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• 2144[15:35:48] <Iridos> Avernos_, what are you trying to do
• 2145[15:36:27] <Iridos> and there is not a single time the string "hostname -f" in that wiki page
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• 2147[15:38:43] <Avernos_> Iridos, just want to change the hostname. however, at any reboot it resets or reverts
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• 2150[15:39:40] <Avernos_> net config is on static, so doubt dhcp is setting this up
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• 2170[15:46:34] <Avernos_> Iridos, if it helps, the file is on read only..
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• 2188[15:59:44] <DammitJim> I have a simple issue... not sure if it is Debian related, though
• 2189[15:59:51] <DammitJim> we have a test and prod environment
• 2190[16:00:08] <DammitJim> emails get sent out from some applications
• 2191[16:00:24] <DammitJim> while in test, we don't want emails to go to the customer, but in prod we obviously do
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• 2193[16:01:05] <DammitJim> I had put an exim server up that only forwards emails to our real email server if the domain matches our domain
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• 2195[16:01:19] <DammitJim> well, the developers made a mistake and they left that server configured but for prod
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• 2197[16:01:31] <DammitJim> is there a better solution I should have provided?
• 2198[16:02:47] <module000> DammitJim: run 2 instances of your MTA, with one of them listening on 127.0.0.X, and the other listening on 127.0.0.Y. use /etc/hosts to direct your equivalent of "mailhost.yourdomain.foo" to 127.0.0.X or Y respectively. The "test" instance should blackhole mail or be configured to do something else besides relaying it
• 2199[16:02:59] <module000> DammitJim: there are a limitless amount of solutions to the problem you described, that's just 1 of them.
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• 2203[16:03:37] <module000> you could also use procmail to inspect the mail, determine if it's 'test' or not, and relay or blackhole it accordingly
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• 2205[16:03:56] <DammitJim> my boss is asking to set up an entry in the hosts file of the test servers to point the "production" email server name to the IP of the "test" email server
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• 2207[16:04:25] <module000> DammitJim: sounds like your boss has a good idea of a quick solution to this. that's why he's the boss :)
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• 2210[16:05:28] <DammitJim> module000, then what's my problem? I hate making manual entries in the host files
• 2211[16:05:28] <DammitJim> it doesn't scale (according to what my tiny brain thinks)
• 2212[16:06:36] <module000> DammitJim: well, think of a scalable version of the first suggestion. What is your /etc/hosts file designed to do? and is there another system that *would* scale to multiple hosts? (hint: dns)
• 2213[16:06:55] <DammitJim> I was thinking more along the lines of...
• 2214[16:07:05] <module000> DammitJim: then you have an even simpler solution, your test hosts use the test DNS server, which makes sure mail.myorg.com doesn't aim where you don't want it to
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• 2216[16:07:37] <module000> procmail is probably your "best" solution though, use it on your MTA. then it can intelligently discard messages from the test hosts
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• 2218[16:07:48] <DammitJim> could I configure exim on this "test" server in such a way that I can differentiate between test and prod servers
• 2219[16:08:00] <DammitJim> then at least it is all in one place and the developers don't have to change their code
• 2220[16:08:18] <DammitJim> oh gosh, I think our MTA is Lotus Mail
• 2221[16:08:29] <module000> DammitJim: maybe, I don't know enough about configuring exim to tell you if it can use those types of rules. I would use procmail, which will work independently of your MTA
• 2222[16:08:43] <DammitJim> oh ok
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• 2224[16:08:53] <DammitJim> thanks! we are officially off topic now
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• 2232[16:10:51] <eluus> I have installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree but opera doesn't have flash
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• 2238[16:13:14] <jelly> eluus: where did you get an opera from, and is it 32bit or 64bit opera?
• 2239[16:13:30] <lillyhammer> eluus: either its disabled in settings or else opera dont support flash
• 2240[16:13:43] <lillyhammer> i dont use it so not too sure
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• 2252[16:18:49] <sumi> hello
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• 2260[16:22:51] <eluus> jelly: from opera.com, it's 64 bit
• 2261[16:23:08] <eluus> lillyhammer: it's not visible on opera://plugins
• 2262[16:23:28] <eluus> after installing pepperflash it became enabled in chromium
• 2263[16:24:03] <scream> it probably has a different plugin path than debian default
• 2264[16:24:23] <scream> it will probably be somewhere under /opt with the rest of opera
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• 2269[16:25:11] <scream> you'll have to either copy the plugin or symlink the whole directory
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• 2271[16:25:28] <scream> with symlink you get package updates ;)
• 2272[16:25:39] <eluus> on ubuntu it's at usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/
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• 2276[16:25:51] <eluus> I'll make the same dir
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• 2279[16:26:22] <scream> there should be a way to see the plugin path somewhere in the opera:// pages
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• 2283[16:27:18] <jelly> eluus: then it ought to work, if opera can find it
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• 2294[16:30:09] <acu> does anyone have suggestion for desktop application to write technical documentation /howtos (where you can add pictures too ?) - of course I know about LibreOffice writer (which is somehow to stuffy) and lyx (which makes tough to copy paste code from it)...
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• 2297[16:30:41] <zuzzas_> LIBREOFFICE, FREEDOM, FREEDOM!!!
• 2298[16:30:47] <lord_rob> LaTeX
• 2299[16:31:18] <lord_rob> ---> kile
• 2300[16:31:21] <acu> Lyx is built on top of latex - but never use latex on its own
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• 2303[16:32:11] <SagelessFox2> zuzzas_: freedom is nothing
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• 2306[16:32:30] <fernie> web browser and google docs
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• 2308[16:32:46] <SagelessFox2> There may be a backdoor in your bios,your hdd and even in your router kernels zuzzas_
• 2309[16:33:24] <lord_rob> not with libreoffice SagelessFox2
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• 2311[16:33:32] <lord_rob> ^^
• 2312[16:33:42] <SagelessFox2> XD
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• 2314[16:34:05] <zuzzas_> Libre Office is pure, untainted freedom
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• 2316[16:34:16] <zuzzas_> It's in its name, it's in its soul.
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• 2319[16:34:39] <nkuttler> acu: i'd go with LaTeX
• 2320[16:34:39] <lord_rob> but still, pure latex rules
• 2321[16:34:48] <nkuttler> it's what i use, actually
• 2322[16:35:05] <lord_rob> nkuttler: agreed
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• 2325[16:35:21] <scream> latex + macros for repetetive stuff ;)
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• 2328[16:35:51] <scream> i used dia + eps export for diagrams
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• 2330[16:36:03] <nkuttler> yeah, dia is nice for diagrams
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• 2332[16:36:14] <scream> pictures were mostly SVGs either drawn with inkscape or from wikipedia
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• 2336[16:36:36] <lord_rob> LO draw is nice too
• 2337[16:36:55] <eluus> k guys, now it works after I copy the plugin into the same folder chrome uses in ubuntu
• 2338[16:36:56] <scream> spell checking was done with vim
• 2339[16:36:57] <nkuttler> i use dia for blueprints, and graphs with real data are created programmatically
• 2340[16:37:21] <scream> graphviz is cool for a lot of generated stuff :D
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• 2343[16:37:43] <scream> gnuplot for graphs. polar plot support was very intuitive
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• 2345[16:38:17] <varesa> How do I define a static domain with IP from DHCP on (raspbian) Jessie?
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• 2348[16:38:26] <lord_rob> gnuplot rulez that's what I use also
• 2349[16:38:33] <themill> (anything but gnuplot, please)
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• 2351[16:38:40] <SagelessFox2> People in ligo use python for graph ^ ^
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• 2353[16:38:51] <nkuttler> varesa: #raspbian
• 2354[16:39:04] <varesa> nkuttler, didn't know that exists. thanks
• 2355[16:39:04] <scream> as long as it gets the job done. ;)
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• 2357[16:39:20] <varesa> is networking different in raspbian jessie than debian jessie btw?
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• 2359[16:39:44] <nkuttler> varesa: probably not, but how should we know?
• 2360[16:39:58] <varesa> nkuttler, fair enough
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• 2368[16:43:32] <varesa> took me a while to realize why I couldn't join #raspbian... "freenode: You have joined too many channels"
• 2369[16:43:34] <varesa> lol
• 2370[16:43:43] <SagelessFox2> I love gnu much, is there any problem for me to register the domain "gnu.tw' ?
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• 2372[16:44:25] <nkuttler> varesa: waaat. how many are you in?
• 2373[16:44:37] <nkuttler> SagelessFox2: ask the fsf?
• 2374[16:44:42] <SagelessFox2> I will not publish any information as a staff that work for gnu
• 2375[16:44:47] <SagelessFox2> fsf?
• 2376[16:45:09] <SagelessFox2> works*
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• 2379[16:45:59] <varesa> nkuttler, this many: replaced-url
• 2380[16:46:05] <varesa> (120)
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• 2382[16:46:28] <nkuttler> varesa: interesting
• 2383[16:46:42] <varesa> SagelessFox2, free software foundation
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• 2419[17:00:55] <acu> varesa: your question - as I understood it, has nothing to do with debian, but is a basic networking question - solutions is simple - assign an IP (static) that is not covered on your DHCP scope (so if your router gives out ips from 100 to 255 then you assign a static IP 99 to your machine) there are routers who can "reserve" a dhcp given address to a single machine (based on MAC address - will always give that machine same IP - so at
• 2420[17:00:55] <acu> the linux machine you can have dhcp, but the router will always give the same IP - again, this is a networking setup
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• 2424[17:01:39] <varesa> acu, no I want to get an IP from dhcp (different wifis, 3g, etc.)
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• 2426[17:01:58] <varesa> but for puppet certificates to work I need to have a fixed fqdn (hostname.domain)
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• 2436[17:04:31] <acu> it is still a basic networking question - but you should describe more clearly what you want, all your computers are on LAN ? usually you setup in hosts
• 2437[17:04:35] <acu> /etc/hosts
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• 2439[17:04:43] <acu> !hosts
• 2440[17:04:44] <dpkg> /etc/hosts is a static lookup table for hostnames. "man 5 hosts" for more information and example content. To change your system's hostname, ask me about <hostname>.
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• 2443[17:05:50] <acu> if you setup your dhcp to always give you the same IP address - you can add that IP address there - but again, I am not clear about your setup, so the answer is not posbile
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• 2448[17:07:00] <FinalX> varesa: in puppet you can force what hostname to send to the server, what to identify as, you should use that
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• 2450[17:07:06] <FinalX> in /etc/puppet/puppet.conf
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• 2453[17:07:57] <varesa> acu, the issue is there are multiple routers/DHCP servers from time to time and I don't control all of them
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• 2456[17:08:19] <varesa> so it has to be done clientside
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• 2458[17:08:53] <varesa> FinalX, I'll look into that
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• 2460[17:09:05] <FinalX> varesa: I use that for my puppet nodes with dynamic IP's, works great :)
• 2461[17:09:59] <varesa> FinalX, It'd still be nice to have device07.myorg as the fqdn but I'll accept a working device07.somedomain too :)
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• 2463[17:11:07] <FinalX> you can still send device07.myorg as hostname to puppet though, to request configuration for that, but yeah, dns-wise... wins perhaps? dnsmasq does something with it iirc, but I haven't looked into any of it tbh
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• 2465[17:11:26] <varesa> I think I got it... Added 'static domain_name=myorg' to /etc/dhcpcd.conf
• 2466[17:12:04] <varesa> I tried configuring dhclient but apparently the rpi foundation image uses dhcpcd instead
• 2467[17:12:07] <FinalX> ah, yeah, or just disable setting hostname altogether and just edit /etc/hostname as well
• 2468[17:12:24] <FinalX> ah
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• 2470[17:13:14] <varesa> nowhere did I find a list of settings I can use with "static xxx=yyy" but guessed from domain_name_servers
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• 2476[17:16:13] <varesa> oh wait, now the wrong domain is back :-/
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• 2548[17:52:45] <kingkong-> how do i find my full system specs?
• 2549[17:53:00] <kingkong-> on wheezy
• 2550[17:54:08] <mtn> kingkong-: lspci -nn is a good place to start
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• 2553[17:55:27] <kingkong-> pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
• 2554[17:55:27] <kingkong-> lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
• 2555[17:55:42] <kingkong-> gives error^
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• 2557[17:56:10] <mtn> kingkong-: what kind of system is this?
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• 2559[17:56:24] <kingkong-> wheezy vps
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• 2561[17:56:37] <mtn> kingkong-: ok, I know nothing about vps systems
• 2562[17:57:00] <kingkong-> commands different on vps systems?
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• 2564[17:58:04] <FinalX> depends on the kind of vps, fully virtualized, or not, etc.
• 2565[18:00:00] <kingkong-> how can i find if fully virtualized or not
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• 2704[18:54:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> Anyone running debian 8 latest?
• 2705[18:55:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> Stock
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• 2709[18:55:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> uname -a please
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• 2737[19:05:55] <apus> hi, could somebody please tell me if the most recent version of amavisd-new still has de_DE translated templates? at least for freebsd they don't seem to be available and i also can't find anything on the website of amavis
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• 2763[19:13:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> Mine says 3.16.0
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• 2765[19:14:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> I am now logged in to the LX zone using zlogin
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• 2767[19:15:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> But the LX zone can not ping anything outside, or assign an IP address: ifconfig eth0 10.4.2.17 netmask 255.255.252.0
• 2768[19:15:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> SIOCSIFADDR: Cannot assign requested address
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• 2771[19:17:47] <tharkun> If this message appears on a terminal "kernel:invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP" What is the machine trying to tell me?
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• 2777[19:19:12] <centrx> TyrfingMjolnir: 3.16
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• 2904[20:03:45] <xok> hello all...
• 2905[20:04:03] <xok> I am trying to make my LBP1120 Canon printer work on the Debian jessie...
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• 2921[20:07:00] <towo`> xok, replaced-url
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• 2923[20:07:28] <r4fbsd> how to fix issues related to mute sound in Debian Jessie ? Tried several things
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• 2929[20:08:58] <Ticho> ,v claws-mail
• 2930[20:08:59] <judd> Package: claws-mail on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.7.6-4+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 3.7.6-4+squeeze2; wheezy-security: 3.8.1-2+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.8.1-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.10.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 3.11.1-3+deb8u1; jessie: 3.11.1-3+deb8u1; sid: 3.13.2-1; stretch: 3.13.2-1
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• 2932[20:09:13] <r4fbsd> sorry, wrong channel, it is just for discussion, not support
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• 2934[20:10:02] <Ticho> yeah, if I remembered the bot name, I'd have asked in privmsg, but since there is very little discussion ongoing at the moment, can I please have a general pardon and move on with my life?
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• 2962[20:18:10] <unborn> is this official debian channel?
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• 2966[20:19:14] <TomTomTo1> it's on irc.oftc.net, but there are mostly the same people.
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• 2974[20:21:26] <TomTomTosch> well, "official". irc.debian.org links to oftc. it's community driven either way.
• 2975[20:21:59] <xok> towo`: thanks but that page was of no help...
• 2976[20:22:11] <xok> neither driver nor instructions worked...
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• 2981[20:23:32] <lenswipe> hey guys - got a bit of a situation here - wondered if someone could advise
• 2982[20:23:48] <lenswipe> My graphics are a bit broken because some updates partially installed
• 2983[20:24:02] <lenswipe> The updates partially installed because a partition ran out of space
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• 2985[20:24:25] <lenswipe> the obvious soultion is to resize the partition
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• 2987[20:24:40] <lenswipe> the only thing is - I wondered if someone could help me figure out:
• 2988[20:24:48] <lenswipe> 1. What partition I need to resize
• 2989[20:24:52] <lenswipe> 2. What to resize it to
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• 2995[20:25:53] <lenswipe> replaced-url
• 2996[20:26:00] <lenswipe> That's the output of df -hl
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• 3105[20:30:27] <xok> can anyone here help me setup my Canon LBP1120 printer on the Debian Jessie?..
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• 3121[20:33:06] <allamoox> Hello
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• 3123[20:33:21] <allamoox> when I try su username I get permission denied how ever Im logged as root
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• 3127[20:33:38] <allamoox> root@sfipro:~# su allamooz
• 3128[20:33:38] <allamoox> -bash: /bin/su: Permission denied
• 3129[20:33:54] <allamoox> ls su -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36936 Feb 17 2014 /bin/su
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• 3132[20:34:16] <allamoox> Should I make it read write excute
• 3133[20:34:16] <towo`> su -l allamooz
• 3134[20:34:46] <towo`> but not executable seems totaly wrong
• 3135[20:34:59] <blind> also no setuid bit?
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• 3137[20:35:09] <allamoox> towo Its something wrong with the su
• 3138[20:35:14] <blind> not that it should matter as root, but it should still be there..
• 3139[20:35:15] <allamoox> I got permission denied...
• 3140[20:35:30] <towo`> without executable, it's normal
• 3141[20:35:41] <blind> oh.. of course.
• 3142[20:35:59] <towo`> and that's not the default in debian or linux at all
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• 3144[20:36:44] <allamoox> # auth required pam_wheel.so
• 3145[20:36:51] <DammitJim> man, what really happens to a folder's permissions when one mounts another file system?
• 3146[20:36:56] <DammitJim> I can see that the permissions get all changed
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• 3151[20:37:15] <allamoox> DammitJim, do u speak to me..
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• 3159[20:38:11] <allamoox> What do you think guys
• 3160[20:38:15] <ghs> how to use driver sqlsrv in debian to pdo php ?
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• 3174[20:45:20] <abrotman> ghs: a) There's ##php, b) the docs cover it pretty well at php.net
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• 3179[20:47:37] <unborn> okay guys im going to try one more time :) can anyone tell me why I cannot connect to wifi during install but completely fine when using live dvd?
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• 3181[20:49:29] <towo`> the live-dvd does contain firmware? (maybe)
• 3182[20:49:45] <towo`> because "the live-dvd" does not exist
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• 3199[20:56:24] <unborn> towo`: dvd cd.. iso..
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• 3201[20:56:42] <unborn> whatever you may call it towo`
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• 3265[21:27:44] <mefistofeles> hello, what's the correct way of creating a .deb package that has a custom systemd unit?
• 3266[21:27:58] <mefistofeles> if you have any tips, links on this I'd very much appreciate it
• 3267[21:28:20] <MoonGNatRouth> I've got one server VPS with white ip and my home PC under the NAT. I can connect from homePC to remotePC using ssh. but I also want to be able connect from remotePC to my homePC using ssh. How can I do it, with simplest method?
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• 3279[21:35:03] <teraflops> MoonGNatRouth: what's white ip?
• 3280[21:35:38] <greycat> MoonGNatRouth: sounds like you want an ssh reverse tunnel (ssh -R)
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• 3282[21:35:44] <xar-> teraflops: an innocent IP
• 3283[21:36:03] <teraflops> ^
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• 3287[21:36:31] <MoonGNatRouth> teraflops: white ip is not under the nat
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• 3289[21:36:44] <teraflops> MoonGNatRouth: what you want is mapping the port 22 in your router to your machine
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• 3291[21:36:55] <xar-> ^
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• 3294[21:37:21] <teraflops> MoonGNatRouth: what the fuck is a white ip?
• 3295[21:37:25] <MoonGNatRouth> teraflops: it's impossible because of my provider
• 3296[21:37:43] <xar-> LMFTFY: *what you want is to adjust your home sshd daemon to listen on something not-22, then map that port that you pick in your router to the destination ;)
• 3297[21:38:09] <greycat> teraflops: some weird phrase he made up to mean "a publically routable IP address" or in other words "an IP".
• 3298[21:38:38] <MoonGNatRouth> teraflops, "white ip" - is ip not under the nat. from
• 3299[21:38:51] <xar-> can we just stop making terminology up, when we already have good terminology lol
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• 3302[21:38:59] <teraflops> MoonGNatRouth: the wat?
• 3303[21:39:11] <xar-> or else, I'm going to start calling tcp ports "purple ports"
• 3304[21:39:18] <teraflops> Haha
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• 3307[21:39:35] <xar-> cuz... why not right? let's just confuse everyone
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• 3310[21:39:54] <MoonGNatRouth> teraflops: hmm... you can ping 8.8.8.8 - its a white ip. but you cant ping 192.168.17.1 and 10.1.2.3 - cause it's for private networks
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• 3313[21:40:20] <teraflops> MoonGNatRouth: please stop inventing words
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• 3315[21:40:35] <greycat> MoonGNatRouth: if you cannot port-forward port 22 from your NAT-router to your internal host, then use a reverse tunnel as I said at the outset.
• 3316[21:40:43] <MoonGNatRouth> teraflops: i'm not inventing. it's pretty popular
• 3317[21:40:48] <greycat> MoonGNatRouth: where?
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• 3319[21:40:57] <xar-> might be a cultural/language thing? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ha
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• 3322[21:41:13] <debidi> white ip <- im ip-color-blind
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• 3324[21:41:16] <teraflops> Or use another port not taken/forbidden by your silly isp
• 3325[21:41:17] <MoonGNatRouth> greycat: thx. i'm reading manuals about it.
• 3326[21:41:38] <MoonGNatRouth> in Belarus =)
• 3327[21:41:55] <greycat> Some "ISP"s don't actually give their customers a routable IP address at all. Their customers are trapped inside a private non-routable wide area network.
• 3328[21:42:11] <greycat> Maybe he has one of these. It's very hard to tell because he's not giving any information.
• 3329[21:42:23] <teraflops> At all
• 3330[21:43:06] <xar-> that sounds like utter hell, and I would move
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• 3332[21:43:28] <MoonGNatRouth> greycat: I have tried to say that
• 3333[21:43:43] <greycat> You didn't say it in terms we could understand.
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• 3335[21:44:36] <MoonGNatRouth> greycat: I've said about the NAT
• 3336[21:44:55] <greycat> dpkg, white ip is <reply>If someone talks about a "white ip" it means the speaker is trapped inside a private non-routable wide area network by their ISP. The "white ip" is how they refer to a regular host that isn't trapped.
• 3337[21:44:56] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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• 3340[21:45:36] <teraflops> greycat: in Belarus...
• 3341[21:45:57] <greycat> Most people who have a NAT actually *own* and have *control* over the router doing the NAT. What you are describing is not a NAT as anyone in my country would understand it.
• 3342[21:46:13] <tharkun> Is the debian torrent tracker down or is it just my connection?
• 3343[21:46:34] <greycat> My desktop box at home is inside a NAT. It has a 192.168.x.y IP address. The NAT is done by the plastic router in my basement. The external interface of the plastic router has a routable ("white") IP.
• 3344[21:47:15] <greycat> So when I want to connect to home, I do so by connecting to the router's external IP. The router is configured to forward a specific port to my internal desktop box's port 22.
• 3345[21:47:29] <greycat> That's how things are typically done in my country. Yours is very different.
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• 3347[21:47:42] <MoonGNatRouth> greycat: russian wiki has defined term 'white ip', but not english version
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• 3350[21:48:10] <MoonGNatRouth> greycat: ok. however. do you think that ssh -R still should work?
• 3351[21:48:23] <greycat> If I understood your initial description, yes.
• 3352[21:48:43] <prussian> so then you use webrtc and continue punching through nats ;)
• 3353[21:48:48] <tharkun> The other option is that your router has an internal network and an external network which is non routable. Like 10.7.0.1/16 Actually that is my particular use case.
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• 3356[21:49:55] <greycat> I don't understand why countries that have run out of IPv4 addresses do this to their customers instead of just jumping to IPv6, but hey, maybe it's some cultural thing.
• 3357[21:50:16] <tharkun> s/cultural/monetary/
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• 3359[21:50:33] <tharkun> You need to change lots of routers that do not support ipv6
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• 3361[21:51:23] <zinx> because of all the old software that doesn't support ipv6 and no one can update without extreme effort, because there's no source and it's abandoned, probably
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• 3363[21:52:03] <Dagger> well. you shouldn't have that many routers that don't do v6, unless you've been dumb and buying v4-only routers for the past decade
• 3364[21:52:22] <tharkun> MoonGNatRouth: I've solved the isue by connecting the client in question through a vpn to a vps and connecting through the vps to access the machine in question
• 3365[21:52:25] <prussian> wait... there are ISPs that NAT their customers?
• 3366[21:52:29] <Dagger> and v4-only software generally isn't a blocker to doing v6 either (it just won't be able to use the v6)
• 3367[21:52:35] <prussian> without a directly routable address?
• 3368[21:52:37] <prussian> wtf
• 3369[21:52:39] <tharkun> prussian: yes
• 3370[21:52:55] <prussian> do you at least get a discount for that?
• 3371[21:52:56] <Dagger> prussian: yes. it's an inevitable result of running out of v4 addresses
• 3372[21:53:03] <teraflops> prussian: ohhh yes
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• 3375[21:53:13] <prussian> that's pretty gross.
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• 3377[21:53:13] <tharkun> prussian: Expensive as hell-
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• 3382[21:53:44] <prussian> hehe, I actually got an IPv6 external address like a few months ago.
• 3383[21:53:56] <prussian> so I guess I'm golden.
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• 3385[21:54:10] <tharkun> Back to the torrent question, how do I check if it is up or down or just some idiot making my life misserable?
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• 3388[21:54:37] <prussian> Also, isn't the IPv4 space really sparsely used because the US DoD owns like a ton of address blocks?
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• 3390[21:54:48] <teraflops> prussian: all isps I tested broke ipv6 badly
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• 3392[21:54:53] <MoonGNatRouth> tharkun: yeap. Like an option, but I'm not sure that VPS server has ability to use vpn. it hadn't tun device, and no modules to modprobe
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• 3396[21:55:26] <prussian> teraflops: ya sometimes I have get a new lease because the IPv6 internet becomes unreachable sometimes.
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• 3398[21:55:28] <tharkun> MoonGNatRouth: Check it directly with your vps provider.
• 3399[21:55:33] <lexvegas> Afternoon everyone. Just changed VPS hosts and I've noticed that while in tmux, my arrow keys don't work unless I press the shift key. (otherwise they just don't do anything). They work fine in bash and if I launch a program from within tmux such as nano. This is over SSH. any ideas?
• 3400[21:55:51] <teraflops> As I'm better doing a tunnebroker than silly native isp ipv6
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• 3402[21:56:15] <prussian> lexvegas: sounds like a problem with tmux.
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• 3404[21:56:45] <lexvegas> prussian, I'm thinking I might have some sort of TERM setting crossed somewhere
• 3405[21:56:53] <prussian> oh maybe
• 3406[21:57:00] <prussian> try setting it to xterm lol
• 3407[21:57:20] <radw> hello
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• 3409[21:57:34] <prussian> I remember at work, all the old machines with ancient versions of stuff like less would throw a hissy fit when my TERM=urxvt
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• 3411[21:57:49] <prussian> hi radw
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• 3414[21:58:09] <prussian> replaced-url
• 3415[21:58:16] <greycat> Do an infocmp > foo locally, transfer that to the server, then tic -v foo on the server.
• 3416[21:58:17] <prussian> look at all those "defense" ones
• 3417[21:58:17] <prussian> lol
• 3418[21:58:23] <radw> somebody can help me, im trying to mount a nfsv3 share in my debian system, but give me the error "mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Authentication error"
• 3419[21:58:28] <prussian> how much do you want to bet a ton of th corporate ones are mostly unused
• 3420[21:58:37] <prussian> IPv4 address exhaustion my ass.
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• 3423[22:00:07] <radw> the nfsv3 is a freenfs, and it havent any autentication
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• 3429[22:00:40] <prussian> no offense, but I usually just say use cifs over nfs nowadays.
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• 3431[22:00:45] <FinalX> all our customers get both fixed ipv4 (and can get a subnet routed to them for an extra fee (ipv4/29)), as well as a fixed ipv6/48, and have been getting that for years and years :)
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• 3434[22:01:30] <Dagger> prussian: our /8 consumption rate was about 1 /8 per month before the first RIR exhaustion happened
• 3435[22:01:49] <prussian> scary.
• 3436[22:01:53] <Dagger> prussian: so even if we magically claimed back a bunch of those /8 blocks (which would be hard because they're in use), it wouldn't give us much extra time
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• 3438[22:02:06] <greycat> Gah. Why does mount(8) refer to mount.nfs(8) which does not exist?
• 3439[22:02:20] <Dagger> and that's one /8 per month with current allocation policies (i.e. NAT everywhere) too
• 3440[22:02:36] <teraflops> Yeah Nat everywhere
• 3441[22:03:06] <prussian> yikes
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• 3445[22:03:39] <greycat> Oh, even more fun. It says the nfs-utils package has to be installed for this nfs(5) man page. But there is no package by that name.
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• 3449[22:04:40] <greycat> Nor is there an nfs man page.
• 3450[22:04:50] <tharkun> nfs-common?
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• 3452[22:05:16] <tharkun> nfs - fstab format and options for the nfs file systems
• 3453[22:05:35] <greycat> OK, that's a bug in the Debian man page then.
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• 3456[22:06:15] <radw> are you already in another nfs issue ?
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• 3462[22:07:12] <tharkun> radw: "Not one man can know everything at any one time." Marcus Aurelius. That is why people invented man pages.
• 3463[22:07:22] <greycat> I was trying to look up the fucking NFS mount options so I could answer your question.
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• 3467[22:08:51] <radw> tharkun: thanks
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• 3469[22:08:56] <radw> greycat: thanks
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• 3472[22:09:49] <radw> because i was trying all pages in google, regarding this error, without success
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• 3475[22:10:48] <lexvegas> prussian, I figured it out. I had set the PuTTTY TERM type to "putty" to fix line drawing errors in synaptic, but that was apparently killing the keys in tmux
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• 3479[22:12:03] <greycat> radw: did you try with mount -o mountvers=3 yet?
• 3480[22:12:27] <greycat> Oh, and -o nfsvers=3 also.
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• 3482[22:13:08] <radw> greycat: with mountvers=3 no, but with vers=3
• 3483[22:13:20] <radw> let me try again
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• 3486[22:13:28] <greycat> OK, it says vers=3 is an obsolete synonym for nfsvers=3 so... dunno.
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• 3489[22:14:06] <greycat> When mixing Debian and HP-UX systems using NFS together, I very often have to specify the NFS version to use or it blows up.
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• 3493[22:14:24] <greycat> (where "blows up" can mean "hangs for a very long time")
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• 3496[22:15:02] <radw> greycat: no it shows the same error: mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Authentication error
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• 3498[22:15:29] <greycat> Are you absolutely sure the server supports NFSv3?
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• 3500[22:16:05] <greycat> If you're getting NFSv4-ish errors then maybe it's failing to connect v3 and falling back to v4.
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• 3502[22:16:42] <radw> greycat: yes, it a freenfs: replaced-url
• 3503[22:16:54] <greycat> uh...
• 3504[22:17:01] <radw> in esxi works
• 3505[22:17:13] <greycat> Oh fuck, it's MICROSOFT.
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• 3507[22:18:12] <prussian> lol
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• 3509[22:18:33] <greycat> I'd imagine the problem is on the Microsoft/freenfs side and you will probably have to contact the freenfs people for support.
• 3510[22:18:38] <prussian> doesn't Microsoft provide an NFS driver?
• 3511[22:19:03] <prussian> I though Win Server 2012 had some like feature you could get through the server admin tool.
• 3512[22:19:10] <prussian> for NFS
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• 3523[22:24:33] <juslintek> How to install php-pear for php7?
• 3524[22:25:01] <greycat> for what
• 3525[22:25:17] <juslintek> php-fpm php version 7
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• 3528[22:25:27] <greycat> You're on what operating system...?
• 3529[22:25:33] <juslintek> Debian 7
• 3530[22:25:35] <juslintek> jessie
• 3531[22:25:38] <greycat> No you're not.
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• 3533[22:25:45] <Kiril> hello
• 3534[22:25:47] <greycat> Also, Debian 7 isn't jessie.
• 3535[22:25:56] <Kiril> i am using debian 8.4
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• 3537[22:26:11] <Kiril> i can't find here inittab
• 3538[22:26:21] <Kiril> so how to change runlevel ?
• 3539[22:26:24] <greycat> Kiril: Debian 8 uses systemd instead of sysvinit, by default.
• 3540[22:26:30] <greycat> There are no run levels as you knew them.
• 3541[22:26:31] <juslintek> sorry its wheezy
• 3542[22:26:43] <greycat> juslintek: even more reason why you wouldn't have a version of PHP from the future.
• 3543[22:27:02] <greycat> Even jessie (Debian 8.x) does not have php version 7.
• 3544[22:27:10] <juslintek> its custom compiled php 7 from source
• 3545[22:27:13] <Kiril> greycat, okay how to disable graphical side ro run only with console promt
• 3546[22:27:18] <greycat> Then custom compile your php modules as well.
• 3547[22:27:21] <Kiril> i believe this is the old run level 3
• 3548[22:27:28] <juslintek> got it
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• 3550[22:27:40] <greycat> Kiril: figure out which *dm package is doing the GUI login and disable that package with systemctl disable service.name
• 3551[22:28:02] <greycat> Kiril: possible candidates include lightdm, gdm3, kdm, ...?
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• 3557[22:29:26] <Kiril> yep i found it
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• 3559[22:29:36] <Kiril> root 466 1 0 22:51 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm3
• 3560[22:29:46] <greycat> systemctl disable gdm3.service # probably
• 3561[22:30:00] <greycat> or maybe just 'gdm3' would work
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• 3563[22:30:16] <Kiril> it works the first one
• 3564[22:30:19] <greycat> cool
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• 3571[22:32:13] <Kiril> hmz
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• 3573[22:32:25] <Kiril> but after restart still appears...
• 3574[22:32:27] <Kiril> sad panda
• 3575[22:32:39] <Kiril> root 789 578 0 23:31 tty7 00:00:00 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -novtswitch -background none -noreset -verbose 3 -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-MCtzbT/database -seat seat0 -nolisten tcp vt7
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• 3577[22:33:24] <greycat> Kiril: systemctl status gdm3
• 3578[22:33:32] <greycat> (or gdm3.service)
• 3579[22:34:17] <Kiril> replaced-url
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• 3584[22:34:58] <greycat> You're sure you ran "systemctl disable gdm3" as root before rebooting?
• 3585[22:35:03] <Kiril> of course
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• 3587[22:35:27] <Kiril> replaced-url
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• 3593[22:36:27] <greycat> Then I don't know why it didn't work.
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• 3606[22:43:52] <Kiril> yeah it's weird
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• 3613[22:46:59] <hektabyte> Hey guys, what's the name of the package manager for Debian? I remember that I used something similar to the one Ubuntu has in the previous version.
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• 3616[22:47:50] <hektabyte> It was a program that you could use for search and installing packages?
• 3617[22:47:50] <greycat> hektabyte: dpkg is the underlying program, apt-get apt-cache apt aptitude ... are layered on top.
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• 3620[22:48:24] <hektabyte> greycat: right, but this one had GUI.
• 3621[22:48:42] <greycat> synaptic?
• 3622[22:48:46] <greycat> dselect?
• 3623[22:49:01] <hektabyte> Hmmm, just a moment. Let me check! :D
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• 3626[22:49:07] <DammitJim> how do I make something not get logged to 2 different log files?
• 3627[22:49:21] <DammitJim> I have local2 logs sent from a cisco asa
• 3628[22:49:31] <DammitJim> but the info is also getting logged in /var/log/syslog
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• 3630[22:49:50] <hektabyte> No, it's not synaptic nor dselect. :S
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• 3634[22:50:38] <axc1298> so minitube has been broken in debian for a year now. the maintainer doesn't seem to care or he is just too busy. what happens in situations like this?
• 3635[22:50:43] <hektabyte> Something like this? replaced-url
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• 3637[22:50:57] <centrx> hektabyte: Ubuntu software-center was removed from Debian
• 3638[22:51:09] <hektabyte> Ah, that explains it!
• 3639[22:51:26] <hektabyte> axc1298: fork the project and fix it.
• 3640[22:52:09] <axc1298> hektabyte: that's the asshole answer. i wanted the realistic one
• 3641[22:52:20] <axc1298> it's already fixed upstream
• 3642[22:52:30] <hektabyte> axc1298: sorry, was just kidding :D
• 3643[22:52:43] <TomTomTosch> axc1298: which version is broken?
• 3644[22:52:54] <axc1298> TomTomTosch: 2.2
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• 3646[22:53:22] <axc1298> 2.4 works in debian stable. the issue was fixed over a year ago by upstream
• 3647[22:53:23] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport minitube
• 3648[22:53:24] <judd> Backporting package minitube in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 3649[22:53:34] <TomTomTosch> ,v minitube
• 3650[22:53:35] <judd> Package: minitube on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2-1; sid: 2.5.2-1; stretch: 2.5.2-1
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• 3652[22:53:47] <hektabyte> Package "software-center" has no installation candidate. T.T
• 3653[22:53:49] * hektabyte sobs.
• 3654[22:54:02] <TomTomTosch> axc1298: you can do a ssb if 2.5 works for you.
• 3655[22:54:19] <axc1298> TomTomTosch: unfortunately 2.5 won't work in debian stable. it requires qt 5. debian ships qt 4
• 3656[22:54:31] <axc1298> 2.4 is the last fixed version that will work in debian stable
• 3657[22:55:06] <TomTomTosch> axc1298: the bot says 2.5 builds on jessie and packages.debian.org only lists qt4 as deps.
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• 3659[22:55:18] <TomTomTosch> !tell axc1298 about ssb
• 3660[22:56:22] <axc1298> TomTomTosch: ok i'll try 2.5. last time i tried to install it ~6 months ago i couldn't but i got the deb from the developer's website since it wasn't in any debian repo
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• 3664[22:57:06] <TomTomTosch> axc1298: you shouldn't install from sid. the bot told you how to build it on jessie using sid's source packages.
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• 3669[22:57:45] <axc1298> TomTomTosch: alright
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• 3672[22:58:36] <DammitJim> *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
• 3673[22:58:43] <DammitJim> that line means anything gets logged to syslog?
• 3674[22:58:59] <greycat> all except auth and authpriv, I believe
• 3675[22:59:05] <axc1298> i'm using the 2.4 package i downloaded from the web so it's not urgent for me. i just wanted to point out that the package should probably be in jessie-backports at least since the one in stable is broken almost immediately after debian 8 was released
• 3676[22:59:09] <DammitJim> oh, all except!
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• 3678[22:59:50] <greycat> The man page is a bit vague, though.
• 3679[22:59:58] <DammitJim> so, if I don't want anything that is local2, I should do *.*;auth,local2,authpriv.none ?
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• 3681[23:00:58] <greycat> I'm guessing that's correct.
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• 3706[23:10:17] <DammitJim> thanks greycat that solved my problem
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• 3716[23:13:21] <unborn> greycat: Greg can I ask you something unrelated to debian?
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• 3727[23:17:40] <cluelessperson> Hi all. We have a distributed system of 10,000 hosts
• 3728[23:17:45] <cluelessperson> We're considering using SSH keys
• 3729[23:17:57] <cluelessperson> I can't think of any Cons, my boss doesn't like that answer.
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• 3731[23:18:05] <cluelessperson> Does anyone see any cons with that?
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• 3734[23:18:58] <greycat> What's the alternative?
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• 3738[23:19:17] <cluelessperson> greycat, the same password across all hosts
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• 3740[23:19:30] <greycat> I think you already know which one is better.
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• 3743[23:20:27] <cluelessperson> greycat, yes, but I can't just tell my boss. "there are no cons"
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• 3745[23:20:47] <babilen> cluelessperson: You could use a configuration/orchestration system such as saltstack/ansible ... but then you will want a way to login to those boxes still and SSH keys are one way.
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• 3747[23:21:13] <greycat> I'm not sure what arguments we can muster that would sway your boss if he doesn't immediately see why "use expect to script a password login to 10000 hosts all with the same passwd" is bad.
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• 3749[23:21:24] <unborn> cluelessperson: well, if you setup correctly, then you as root would not need to remember passwords.. even if someone would change password, you will be still able to log in, its faster to work with it also if you going to setup something like automated backups to off site location or another servers this would be very handy.
• 3750[23:21:40] <babilen> cluelessperson: You should disable *all* password based logins and only rely on keys anyway
• 3751[23:21:42] <cluelessperson> babilen, ansible isn't a remote management tool, I'm asking why shouldn't a company shift to SSH keys
• 3752[23:21:44] <cluelessperson> what are the cons?
• 3753[23:21:56] <cluelessperson> babilen, I know, but I can't just tell my boss "no cons"
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• 3755[23:22:03] <unborn> last benefit is security.. as babilen noted
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• 3758[23:23:14] <greycat> OH FUCK YOU USE ANSIBLE
• 3759[23:23:15] <unborn> cluelessperson: tell him that anyone who have no idea about how it works would be lost or something
• 3760[23:23:20] <greycat> GAAAAHHHHH
• 3761[23:23:28] <greycat> no wonder your boss is logic-proof
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• 3763[23:23:34] <cluelessperson> greycat, ? I'm using ansible...
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• 3765[23:23:40] * greycat cries
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• 3767[23:24:05] <greycat> Every time there's a question in #bash that involves ansible, it ends in tears.
• 3768[23:24:15] <cluelessperson> greycat, I'm TRYING to shift our business towards security, but just my word isn't trusted. :/
• 3769[23:24:16] <babilen> Just use SaltStack?
• 3770[23:24:22] <babilen> ;)
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• 3773[23:25:20] <cluelessperson> babilen, stop suggesting shit, I'm talking about password versus ssh-key access
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• 3779[23:26:35] <greycat> But you already know which one to use.
• 3780[23:26:53] <unborn> cluelessperson: replaced-url
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• 3788[23:27:55] <cluelessperson> greycat, unborn bbabich ME knowing which to use doesn't convince my BOSS
• 3789[23:28:23] <greycat> So what do you expect us to do?
• 3790[23:28:46] <unborn> cluelessperson: sure I see now.. is he ict capable?
• 3791[23:28:54] <babilen> cluelessperson: I already iterated that SSH based access should be key based. This is due to security reasons as many people will just randomly try passwords on your boxes *all the time*. You can circumvent problems simply by disabling password based authentication right away.
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• 3794[23:29:29] <babilen> This has *nothing* to do with Salt or Ansible and if you can't even spot a joke then .. well .. I can't help you
• 3795[23:29:31] <unborn> babilen: I think cluelessperson want to hear opposite - why not to use ssh keys
• 3796[23:29:57] <greycat> I think he wants us to present a white paper that we custom write for his boss to sway his boss's opinion on a subject.
• 3797[23:30:09] <greycat> Why he thinks we can do that is beyond me.
• 3798[23:30:21] <babilen> Dealing with the passphrases and managing SSH keys for hundreds / thousands of employees is cumbersome
• 3799[23:30:38] <NoCode> Hi, running Debian Jessie, trying to enable Modrewrite. restarted apache and it says, "Debian "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory"" -- What can I do to fix it? I added a <Directory> AllowOverride ALL </Directory> in my /etc/apache2/sites-available/site.conf page.
• 3800[23:30:46] <babilen> You need to a way to keep authorized_keys in sync with the keys you want to deploy and you are bound to miss sime
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• 3804[23:31:03] <NoCode> Also "All"
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• 3810[23:32:00] <babilen> But then .. just hook up the boxes to LDAP
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• 3813[23:32:28] <babilen> cluelessperson: ^
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