• 0[00:00:24] <SerajewelKS> i don't think you understand what calamari is asking for
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• 3[00:00:39] <calamari> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
• 4[00:00:45] <Tenkawa> thats one reason I compile my own
• 5[00:01:09] <Tenkawa> from scratch
• 6[00:01:47] <SerajewelKS> calamari: try: apt-get source linux/stretch-backports
• 7[00:02:18] <calamari> that gives 4.19, but that's probably good enough.. thanks!
• 8[00:02:28] <SerajewelKS> i mean it gives you the newest
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• 11[00:02:47] <SerajewelKS> you can also specific a specific version with linux=$VERSION
• 12[00:02:56] <calamari> yeah I just needed it to be newer so that certain hardware support was included, so this should be fine
• 13[00:03:01] <SerajewelKS> i don't know which one correlates to 4.18.0-0 though
• 14[00:03:10] <calamari> thanks a lot
• 15[00:03:14] <SerajewelKS> np
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• 21[00:08:13] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. time for me to get going
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• 43[00:23:09] <toli> OK, there is a problem with openvpn on stretch (daemon() failed or unsupported: Resource temporarily unavailable (errno=11))
• 44[00:23:28] <toli> could it be due to the fact that it is running on openvz?
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• 51[00:29:14] <rant> toli: replaced-url
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• 54[00:30:50] <rant> toli: there is a workaround listed there and its said to happen with people using openvz on Debian 9 Stretch
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• 60[00:34:32] <toli> rant, thanks man, that helped me a lot
• 61[00:36:00] <rant> toli: did it work?
• 62[00:36:09] <rant> toli: modifying the service file?
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• 65[00:36:58] <toli> yes rant :) finally
• 66[00:37:09] <rant> then it was an easy fix :P
• 67[00:37:25] <rant> toli: perhaps you should file a bug report on the debian BTS
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• 69[00:39:28] <rant> toli: fwiw I just searched "openvpn errno=11" on google and the first 4 hits were all about that LimitNPROC line
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• 75[00:44:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys is smplayer gui broken in stable??
• 76[00:44:47] <rant> Eryn_1983_FL: nope
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• 80[00:45:31] * rant just used it yesterday
• 81[00:46:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok its smplayer2
• 82[00:46:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> now smplayer
• 83[00:46:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> not
• 84[00:46:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> illshow u error one sec
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• 86[00:46:42] <rant> ,i smplayer2
• 87[00:46:43] <judd> No package named 'smplayer2' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 89[00:46:59] <rant> first you should probably tell us where you got something called smplayer2
• 90[00:47:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 91[00:47:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> lookin
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• 93[00:47:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> deb-multimedia.. lol
• 94[00:47:49] <rant> Eryn_1983_FL: apt policy smplayer2
• 95[00:47:57] <rant> !deb-multimedia
• 96[00:47:57] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 97[00:48:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 98[00:48:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
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• 100[00:49:20] <rant> problem is Marillat's packages tend to pull in a lot of deps that break other shit on your system.. back in the day this was a normal thing to use cause there were a lot of lisc issues.. these days we strongly recommend against it
• 101[00:49:32] <rant> and me personally I dont like mpv, I install mplayer and use smplayer with that
• 102[00:49:48] <rant> smplayer will use either depending on which is installed
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• 104[00:50:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
• 105[00:50:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got it working so i am good now
• 106[00:50:49] <rant> and really I only use smplayer when vlc doesnt work for some reason :P
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• 108[00:51:11] <rant> the UI is kinda atrocious
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• 115[00:55:29] <die71> have issues with polkit service which also prevents firewalld to start, and in logs I see systemd-logind restarting in loop
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• 124[01:02:37] <rant> I'm sorry to hear that.
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• 127[01:03:07] <rant> I'm hungry, gonna go make some food.. while we're sharing.
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• 146[01:15:29] <expert975> How can I have a minimal arch-like install?
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• 148[01:16:29] <rant> expert975: well, idk wth arch-like is.. but debian is a minimal install unless you select other things
• 149[01:16:52] <rant> if you'd like I can tell you exactly what you'd get
• 150[01:16:54] <mutante> expert975: dont select any roles (sets of packages) during the installer, de-select everything and once done and on a minimal shell start installing things you _actually_ want with apt-get / aptitude
• 151[01:17:31] <expert975> rant: I would like that, please
• 152[01:17:52] <mutante> just be warned that it will start with "get a text editor or even 'less' and stuff
• 153[01:17:53] <rant> gimme a minute to plug in my drive and fire up a vm and I can tell you base install size and package list
• 154[01:19:26] <joepublic> if you do an internet search for "pacapt" as an arch person, you might be happy. It provides pacman for debian.
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• 156[01:20:30] <joepublic> debian has some "it just works" rules that someone coming from arch might not be familiar with. For example, under Debian, if you install a service, it is enabled by default and auto-starts.
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• 161[01:25:21] <rant> expert975: I did an upgrade on my base vm its about 75% complete then I'll pastebin that info
• 162[01:25:53] <rant> had 45 packages to upgrade since I'd installed this one :P
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• 166[01:28:23] <rant> expert975: replaced-url
• 167[01:29:02] <expert975> rant: thanks
• 168[01:29:09] <rant> expert975: this is with the "basic system utilities" or w/e it is selected.. if ya gimme another few min I can see what it is without that
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• 171[01:30:50] <rant> I got another vm running through the install now almost finished
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• 173[01:31:29] <rant> its called "standard system utilities" I unchecked that on this one
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• 175[01:32:55] <rant> I may have to install netcat though if its not installed just to simplify the pasting :P
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• 183[01:36:59] <rant> expert975: yes, netcat wasnt included I installed it so thats about 173k extra space and one extra package that wasn't installed by default replaced-url
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• 187[01:37:40] <rant> expert975: so the difference between those two posts is difference between the base and base + standard system utilities
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• 189[01:38:35] <rant> I find it a bit strange bluetooth stuff is included o.O
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• 191[01:41:39] <expert975> rant: this package selection seems to be meant to make so the system 'just works'
• 192[01:41:49] <expert975> rant: arch doesn't even come with sudo xD
• 193[01:42:07] <rant> expert975: debian doesnt either.. sudo was included cause I didnt choose a root password
• 194[01:42:14] <rant> ,i sudo
• 195[01:42:16] <judd> Package sudo (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. Version: 1.8.19p1-2.1; Size: 1030.1k; Installed: 3035k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 196[01:42:32] <rant> expert975: as you can see its optional.. but its installed if you do not set a root password in the install
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• 200[01:44:21] <rant> I was rushing to set up the VM and was just pressing enter a lot.. heh.. when you don't set a password for root it installs sudo so you can get into the root account :P
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• 204[01:48:07] <rant> expert975: much of that could be removed without affecting anything.. like bluetooth, blues, tasksel..etc
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• 207[01:49:53] <rant> I find ispell being in there a bit curious too
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• 210[01:51:12] <expert975> :p
• 211[01:51:20] <rant> lets see what happens if I do an apt --purge remove task*;apt autoremove
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• 215[01:52:14] <rant> this will get rid of tasksel, task-laptop, task-english and anything that was auto installed by them
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• 221[01:54:54] <rant> expert975: replaced-url
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• 224[01:57:22] <rant> the removals happened at 19:52
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• 227[01:58:22] <rant> course you could grep for "remove" and get a list
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• 264[02:24:44] <tehnull> anyone know of a way to non-destructively resize an ntfs partition?
• 265[02:26:47] <mutante> this is rare but i am tempted to reply with "use Windows" for that one. i see it has a built-in disk manager to extend/shrink in windows 8?
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• 285[02:35:55] <rant> tehnull: I haven't used or supported windows in well over a decade, but the advice was always to defrag first then use windows.. but I'd always done it with gparted without issue.. as always its recommended to backup first regardless :P
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• 290[02:37:51] <rant> tehnull: one issue to consider though if you should try FOSS utilities, is that I had done some work recently for someone with a new WD Passport external drive that was preformmated with NTFS and it worked fine until I got it about half full and then started acting up and corrupting.. I now highly recommend anything done with NTFS on Linux to be formatted by linux to make sure it doesnt contain newer FS
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• 746[09:44:49] <rnmhdn> I don't have the command usermod on my debian 9
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• 750[09:46:27] <tehnull> rnmhdn, good observation
• 751[09:46:43] <rnmhdn> debian doesn't have usermod?
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• 754[09:47:06] <rnmhdn> then why are all the guides saying I should use usermod?
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• 756[09:47:47] <rnmhdn> how can I add my user to sudo groupd in debian?
• 757[09:47:50] <tehnull> you need to be root or use sudo
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• 759[09:47:58] <tehnull> to use usermod
• 760[09:48:01] <rnmhdn> I am root
• 761[09:48:07] <rnmhdn> that's the point
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• 763[09:49:18] <rnmhdn> shit
• 764[09:49:23] <rnmhdn> I was in the wrong server
• 765[09:49:25] <rnmhdn> I'm sorry
• 766[09:49:34] <tehnull> ;)
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• 803[10:08:09] <rnmhdn> what is the difference between python-virtualenv and virtualenv?
• 804[10:08:13] <rnmhdn> packages in apt?
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• 812[10:10:48] <leibniz> how to change a process id
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• 815[10:11:09] <Wulf> rnmhdn: "This is the command line script and manpage." for virtualenv. The other package is a library.
• 816[10:11:26] <rnmhdn> thanks
• 817[10:11:27] <Wulf> rnmhdn: you probably don't need the script. python3 -m venv /path/top/venv
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• 820[10:12:30] <Wulf> rnmhdn: and I think you should install the package "python3-venv"
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• 823[10:14:04] <rnmhdn> thanks
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• 883[10:52:38] <pragomer> when using tmux as gnome-terminal login-shell, nautilus' function "open terminal here" does not open the terminal in den actual folder, but always in home folder. any tips for me?
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• 886[10:58:35] <hesco> I have built a RAID1 array in my BIOS. I assume I now need to mount and format the resultant pair. But I am not seeing it in /dev/. What should I be looking for here, please?
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• 888[11:00:07] <Wulf> hesco: output of lsblk?
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• 894[11:01:54] <Sveta_> if i have / followed by swap, and i'd like to kill swap partition and enlarge / instead, do I need to boot from a live usb or it can be done live?
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• 897[11:02:28] <Wulf> should be possible live.
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• 902[11:05:55] <at0m> Sveta: swapoff $partition can turn swap off. that part can be done with OS running. but changing partition size, i'm not sure
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• 912[11:12:34] <shibboleth> are tor users still banned from ##linux?
• 913[11:13:02] <Wulf> shibboleth: /mode ##linux b
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• 916[11:14:26] <shibboleth> still? some person was monologue-ing and throw the baby out with the bathwater?
• 917[11:15:42] <hesco> Wulf: lsblk shows me the components of the array, but not the array itself.
• 918[11:16:01] <Wulf> hesco: maybe you need a driver. Or maybe it's not configured correctly
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• 922[11:17:02] <hesco> ok, another reboot to BIOS to check. thanks.
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• 941[11:25:48] <hesco> So, I tore down and recreated the array in the BIOS again, but I still see only the raw drives in lsblk output. using cfdisk, it reports: 'Device already contains isw_raid_member signature;'
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• 943[11:27:02] <hesco> not sure what drivers would be required to see a BIOS provided hardware RAID (or perhaps fakeraid?).
• 944[11:27:32] <hesco> wondering now about the performance hit for use of a software RAID, rather than hardware.
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• 946[11:29:56] <hesco> no sign in /proc either
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• 956[11:36:56] <shibboleth> hesco, there a reason for the nick? did you serve abroad?
• 957[11:37:54] <shibboleth> anyone having been to foreign theater military base knows what "hesco" make :)
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• 963[11:46:22] <hesco> shibboleth: not familiar with the expression. tell me more please?
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• 969[11:51:08] <Wulf> replaced-url
• 970[11:51:15] <Wulf> If they don't know it, the term does not exist.
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• 988[12:03:49] <[gnubie]> anyone here did encrypted the root filesystem with dm-crypt + luks with yubikey u2f? i wonder if it's possible to have 2 yubikeys configured to the encrypted root filesystem
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• 990[12:03:57] <[gnubie]> anyone?
• 991[12:04:25] <Wulf> [gnubie]: I didn't do this. I assume it's possible.
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• 1023[12:20:26] <[gnubie]> Wulf: thanks. i will try to find out how to do it. cheers!
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• 1178[14:01:42] <jpcooper> Hello. I've just installed nftables on Stretch. I've updated /etc/nftables.conf, and I've called nftables -f on it. I was just wondering what, if anything, is responsible for reading this file at startup. Could anyone tell me? Also where do the logs go to? I couldn't find this in the man page.
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• 1271[14:38:58] <ws2k3> so i have a bunch of machine running jessie which i wanne upgade to strech, but if i upgrade them it will stay on eth0, is there any way to convert this to the new format?
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• 1281[14:44:17] <rephlexie> ws2k3, why are you upgrading?
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• 1284[14:46:19] <ws2k3> rephlexie hmm what do you mean? since i move all servers to strechs
• 1285[14:46:20] <petn-randall> ws2k3: IIRC you can simply remove the relevant files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ containing those rules.
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• 1287[14:46:45] <petn-randall> Though there's no harm in keeping those static names.
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• 1290[14:47:12] <ws2k3> petn-randall no i know but new install will get the new format and i prefer to keep all server on the same format cause of monitoring and tooling
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• 1292[14:47:34] <petn-randall> Right, that's what I thought. :)
• 1293[14:47:49] <ws2k3> petn-randall does that also mean that if i would install jessie and create thos files in /etc/udev/rules.d i can go back to the old format?
• 1294[14:47:59] <petn-randall> ws2k3: I'd also take a look at the stretch release notes, I can imagine that it's documented well there.
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• 1312[14:57:14] <lavenders> what would you guys choose ? A cli-based pass-backed TOTP app
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• 1456[16:16:52] <rant> ,i oathtool
• 1457[16:16:53] <judd> Package oathtool (devel, optional) in stretch/amd64: OATH Toolkit oathtool command line tool. Version: 2.6.1-1+b2; Size: 64.0k; Installed: 112k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1458[16:17:07] <rant> ,i yubioath-desktop
• 1459[16:17:08] <judd> Package yubioath-desktop (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Graphical interface for displaying OATH codes with a Yubikey. Version: 3.0.1-2; Size: 107.2k; Installed: 393k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1460[16:17:19] <rant> lavenders: ^
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• 1463[16:19:52] <rant> replaced-url
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• 1512[16:41:23] <ksk> lavenders: do you have any arguments against googleauth? (apart it bein google maybe)
• 1513[16:41:44] <ksk> been using that for a while now on some boxes.
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• 1521[16:46:10] <lavenders> ksk: paradigm shift: dont run closed source, even mobile
• 1522[16:46:17] <lavenders> rant thank you will look into it
• 1523[16:46:35] <ksk> oh it is closed source? thought it was kinda openish. good point :)
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• 1534[16:50:59] <Wasp> Hi, does anybody knows the IRC channel of gajim (assuming there is one) OR can tell me how to reach out to them? Want to send in a bug report.
• 1535[16:51:27] <Wasp> Jabber group chat seems also down
• 1536[16:51:47] <digdilem> wasp - first line here? replaced-url
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• 1549[17:01:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats the freaking package with dig?
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• 1552[17:04:48] <jmcnaught> dnsutils
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• 1555[17:06:31] <tpr> hi, I just downloaded debian-9.7.0-arm64-xfce-CD-1.iso and dd'd it over onto a usb stick. when trying to mount it, it mounts only as read-only. is that normal?
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• 1557[17:06:58] <tpr> I wanted to put a single file on the drive that I can access on the booted up system
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• 1563[17:07:17] <tpr> I'm not installing it, but merely using it as a rescue drive
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• 1565[17:08:01] <Wasp> digdilem: second line of mine in irc ;P
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• 1568[17:09:25] <tpr> trying to mount it says it is write-protected
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• 1583[17:16:12] <tpr> oops, well, I can always add a new partition on it, duh :-)
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• 1636[17:50:29] <tpr> hmh. no I cannot, apparently.. the partitions overlap
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• 1639[17:52:00] <mad_monk> I am trying to setup a local repo for the Docker packages.
• 1640[17:52:03] <mad_monk> So I have downloaded all the .deb files from replaced-url
• 1641[17:52:06] <mad_monk> After that I am running the following command:
• 1642[17:52:10] <mad_monk> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz
• 1643[17:52:16] <mad_monk> I am getting the following error:
• 1644[17:52:19] <mad_monk> replaced-url
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• 1646[17:52:23] <mad_monk> I am on Debian 9
• 1647[17:52:31] <jmcnaught> tpr: when you used dd to copy the image to the USB did you copy to the device or a partition?
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• 1649[17:52:58] <tpr> jmcnaught: to the device
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• 1652[17:54:34] <tpr> replaced-url
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• 1669[18:04:53] <Greyztar> to be able o browse http aswell as https whats needed besides port 80,443 tcp and 53 udp,tcp on iptables ?
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• 1672[18:09:17] <tomreyn> 53 udp,tcp is outbound there, 80,443 tcp inbound
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• 1674[18:09:48] <tomreyn> those *may* suffice for running a web server.
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• 1682[18:19:09] <`whoami`> noobish question, but what's the relation between output DNS and hosting a webserver ?
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• 1686[18:19:54] <rant> `whoami`: "output dns"?
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• 1688[18:20:24] <`whoami`> re: "to be able o browse http aswell as https whats needed besides port 80,443 tcp and 53 udp,tcp on iptables ?"
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• 1690[18:21:13] <`whoami`> (the last 3 lines prior my question)
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• 1695[18:21:29] <blackflow> earlier comment about port 53 "outbound there" for "running a web server". there's no direct relation, but any machine will probably wish to resolve names, so... esp. if ssh is not configured with "UseDNS no"
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• 1700[18:22:18] <`whoami`> ah, i see. That makes sense, indeed
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• 1702[18:22:41] <blackflow> (and of course apt will need it)
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• 1709[18:25:35] <tpr> the question he asked was about browsing http(s), not hosting a server
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• 1713[18:26:21] <over7head> need some help with wireless please
• 1714[18:26:34] <`whoami`> oh, right. the "running a webserver" mislead me
• 1715[18:26:39] <over7head> Dmesg shows my device
• 1716[18:26:44] <over7head> Iw installed
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• 1718[18:27:27] <over7head> ifup wlx.....
• 1719[18:27:33] <over7head> Unknown interface
• 1720[18:27:41] <over7head> ??
• 1721[18:28:09] <blackflow> over7head: what does `ip link` show?
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• 1723[18:28:27] <over7head> Namw of interface
• 1724[18:28:37] <over7head> Name`
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• 1729[18:29:12] <blackflow> over7head: can you pastebin that please? output of `ip link` and the ifup command you're trying and its output?
• 1730[18:29:31] <over7head> Ip link list 3 interfaces... lo, enp3s0 and wlx....
• 1731[18:29:58] <over7head> I can screenshot with phone... not having connection there
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• 1733[18:30:29] <blackflow> over7head: also did you set that iface up in /etc/network/interfaces ? I think ifup expects it to be configured
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• 1735[18:31:14] <blackflow> (unlike `ip` that works directly on interfaces, `ifup` is part of the `ifupdown` package)
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• 1738[18:31:55] <over7head> I swt iface wlan0
• 1739[18:32:04] <over7head> Should i rename wlan0 to wlx
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• 1741[18:32:24] <Tenkawa> yes
• 1742[18:32:38] <Tenkawa> wlx is the persistent kernel name
• 1743[18:32:50] <Tenkawa> its a recent kernel thing
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• 1746[18:33:04] <blackflow> over7head: you should use the name of the interface, whatever it is. if you have wlx... then that's what you use, not wlan0
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• 1749[18:35:03] <over7head> Ok
• 1750[18:35:25] <over7head> Now wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
• 1751[18:35:29] <tpr> so, anyone has an idea how the debian install image partitions are setup? why there are overlapping partitions to begin with? :P
• 1752[18:35:42] <blackflow> over7head: did you configure it for THAT interface? see the pattern here? :)
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• 1755[18:36:08] <blackflow> tpr: overlapping?
• 1756[18:36:14] <over7head> Rtlwfi firmware not awailable
• 1757[18:36:23] <over7head> I set up ssid and key
• 1758[18:36:34] <over7head> Do i need linux firmware for it
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• 1760[18:36:54] <tpr> blackflow: yes, fdisk claims the partitions overlap (replaced-url
• 1761[18:37:04] <blackflow> over7head: sounds like it. which chipset is that?
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• 1764[18:37:25] <tpr> that screenshot shows the image itself, but it's the same on a real device
• 1765[18:37:33] <Tenkawa> over7head: which card
• 1766[18:37:33] <over7head> Its tp link
• 1767[18:37:45] <over7head> r8188eu module
• 1768[18:37:46] <tpr> just wanted to verify that it's not my drive doing something wonky, that's why I launched cfdisk on the image, too
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• 1771[18:38:15] <Tenkawa> just a sec
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• 1773[18:38:33] <over7head> I go try to chroot and install firmware
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• 1775[18:38:50] <Tenkawa> over7head: do a dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 1776[18:39:07] <Tenkawa> there should be a error related to it
• 1777[18:39:12] <over7head> I alredy rebooted
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• 1779[18:39:18] <over7head> Well see soon
• 1780[18:39:21] <Tenkawa> with a filename its missinh
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• 1782[18:39:39] <Tenkawa> and I can find the package for you
• 1783[18:40:44] <blackflow> Tenkawa: over7head: realtek replaced-url
• 1784[18:41:39] <Tenkawa> yeah that is ... but realtek can be tricky..
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• 1786[18:41:56] <Tenkawa> they have several blobs they throw around
• 1787[18:42:09] <joepublic> if you already rebooted, erasing dmesg, you look at /var/log/kern.log instead (which wasn't erased)
• 1788[18:42:46] <blackflow> Tenkawa: but they should be confined to the firmware-realtek package
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• 1805[18:51:17] <over7head> blackflow thank you , that worked
• 1806[18:51:35] <over7head> Tenkawa thank you too
• 1807[18:51:36] <blackflow> yw
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• 1811[18:55:41] <over7head> im new to debian and aptitude
• 1812[18:56:05] <over7head> is it possible to chose whatever i need when installing packages
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• 1814[18:57:17] <joepublic> I believe that question would have a higher answerability if it were slightly reworded, placing a noun between "whatever" and "i need"
• 1815[18:57:54] <over7head> for example "apt install package" pulls 20 packages and i dont want 3 of them...
• 1816[18:58:28] <joepublic> "apt install package" installs that package, any dependencies of that package, and any dependencies of those packages, etc.
• 1817[18:58:46] <joepublic> if you don't want some of them, you must forego installing the package(s) that depend(s) on them.
• 1818[18:58:55] <over7head> yes, avoiding unessesery dependency
• 1819[18:58:57] <blackflow> over7head: try --no-install-recommends with apt install and see if that trims down what yo want. if it doesn't then it's a hard dependency and not optional (at least not without rebuilding hte package)
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• 1821[18:59:53] <over7head> will try thanks
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• 1876[19:32:01] <exifbono> hello all, I'm doing a fresh install of debian stretch on a machine with 3 hdd. I'd like to threat them all as one in an LVM, is it possible, should I do it manually or there is some other way?
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• 1878[19:33:26] <Wulf> exifbono: You don't have to threat them. During install it should be possible to create the LVM with all drives.
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• 1880[19:34:34] <exifbono> Hi Wulf , in the guided partitioning I only have use entire disk and set up LVM, where I can choose a single disk
• 1881[19:34:53] <de-facto> How can i make GPG happy? "gpg2 --full-generate-key" results in an error "gpg: agent_genkey failed: Permission denied"
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• 1883[19:35:40] <de-facto> I am running it as "sudo su - git"
• 1884[19:35:41] <exifbono> maybe what I'm looking for is LVM on top of RAID? First time I have this situation
• 1885[19:35:44] <de-facto> tty perms something?
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• 1980[20:28:00] <nodiscc> hi everyone, I am trying to devise a proper fix for replaced-url
• 1981[20:28:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1986[20:29:10] <nodiscc> in short the recommended way to track a neworkin interface in vnstat is to run sudo vnstat -u -i ethX, which will create a database file in /var/lib/vnstat/, owned by root:root mode 0644
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• 1988[20:29:55] <nodiscc> but the vnstat.service systemd unit file runs vnstatd as the 'vnstat' user. hence vnstatd cannot write to that database
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• 1991[20:31:13] <nodiscc> so would setting SGID bit on /var/lib/vnstat/ during package installation be an acceptable fix?
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• 2024[20:48:54] <ironic_aneurysm> nodiscc: vnstat.conf man page mentions some options to change group and or db settings. I'm not deep diving here, but that might be cleaner
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• 2030[20:51:33] <ironic_aneurysm> other than that, my weaksauce googling says to just chown -R vnstat: /var/lib/vnstat after creating the interface file.
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• 2033[20:53:17] <nodiscc> ironic_aneurysm: thanks, yes chown -R does work
• 2034[20:53:49] <nodiscc> but I was looking for a fix that would set correct permissions without manual intervention
• 2035[20:54:08] <ironic_aneurysm> cool - it looks like the only reason that's getting set to root is because it's being created as root
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• 2038[20:56:12] <nodiscc> sudo -u vnstat -u -i ethX sets the correct user/group for me. But it's not documented this way. Maybe we just need a manpage tweak
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• 2041[20:57:54] <ironic_aneurysm> yeah, 'cause I don't really think it's misbehaving per se (my first comment about vnstat.conf)
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• 2045[20:59:24] <nodiscc> yeah if instead of setting the user in the systemd unit file, we had DaemonUser "vnstat" DaemonGroup "vnstat" in vnstat.conf, thet it would require a restart of the service to fix the perms also
• 2046[20:59:49] <nodiscc> (UpdateFileOwner 1 is already set to 1)
• 2047[20:59:51] <_I_Died_Once> question about running debian on windows 10 pro from its app store.... is that something i can ask about here?
• 2048[21:00:00] <ironic_aneurysm> that's kind of what I was starting to look at as well
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• 2051[21:00:27] <ironic_aneurysm> I'm gussing that the daemon knows how to drop privs, so you could set --u and --g as a command line argument in the unit file
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• 2053[21:00:57] <_I_Died_Once> wondering if i can do and host services from there as i would under debian under any other setting
• 2054[21:01:09] <nodiscc> and drop User=vnstat from /lib/systemd/system/vnstat.service?
• 2055[21:01:11] <_I_Died_Once> like SSH in to it, host an FTP..
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• 2057[21:02:17] <nodiscc> _I_Died_Once: have you tried? I imagine at least SSH would work
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• 2059[21:04:08] <de-facto> Does anyone here know how i get my gpg private key?
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• 2061[21:05:24] <nodiscc> de-facto: gpg --armor --export-secret-keys me@example.com
• 2062[21:05:33] <_I_Died_Once> about to try... was curious if i was wasting my time
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• 2064[21:06:24] <de-facto> nodiscc, all i get from gpg are errors like "error receiving key from agent: Permission denied - skipped" and "gpg: WARNING: nothing exported"
• 2065[21:06:47] <de-facto> for trying to export my own key
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• 2068[21:07:21] <nodiscc> de-facto: do you see you key with gpg --list-secret-keys?
• 2069[21:07:27] <de-facto> yes
• 2070[21:07:55] <de-facto> thats the keyid i am trying to export
• 2071[21:08:06] <nodiscc> do you have gpg-agent running?
• 2072[21:08:15] <de-facto> i dont know
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• 2074[21:08:26] <nodiscc> ps aux | grep gpg-agent
• 2075[21:09:03] <de-facto> yes its running "gpg-agent --homedir /home/git/.gnupg --use-standard-socket --daemon"
• 2076[21:09:17] <de-facto> im in a "sudo su - git" session
• 2077[21:09:52] <nodiscc> and gpg-agent is running as which user? (first column of ps aux)
• 2078[21:09:53] <de-facto> trying to get gpg to generate and give me my private key in a scripted way
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• 2080[21:10:01] <de-facto> git
• 2081[21:10:07] <de-facto> it runs as git user
• 2082[21:10:10] <nodiscc> k
• 2083[21:10:13] <ironic_aneurysm> nodiscc: *shrug* setting the user in the unit file didn't really change life. I'm starting to think your sgid dir is worth looking at :P
• 2084[21:10:58] <ironic_aneurysm> other distros seem to say "fix your perms" or "make sure the vnstat user can write to /var/lib/vnstat
• 2085[21:11:37] <nodiscc> ironic_aneurysm: oh thanks for trying, yeah sgid would take care of the "make sure the vnstat user can write" part
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• 2090[21:12:19] <nodiscc> I don't think anything there needs root ownership. But I don't know if Debian policy is ok with packages installing sgid dirs
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• 2095[21:15:40] <de-facto> nodiscc, can I somehow get my key from a file instead?
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• 2098[21:16:19] <de-facto> weird thing is it does not even tell me where it is when i generate it
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• 2100[21:17:17] <nodiscc> de-facto: I have files in ~/.gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ which match the IDs of my keys. but I don't know how to export them in amored/other format
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• 2105[21:18:51] <de-facto> nodiscc, yes i have two .key files in there but none of them match my keyid reported by "gpg --list-secret-keys"
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• 2107[21:20:06] <de-facto> actually thats the keys gpg agent claims to not have permission receive
• 2108[21:20:46] <de-facto> they are owned by "git" user and it has rw access to them
• 2109[21:20:47] <nodiscc> those are the secret keys of the git user on a git server right? can you tell what you're trying to do with them maybe we can find another way
• 2110[21:21:18] <nodiscc> ironic_aneurysm: I will reply to the mentioned bugs, maybe the maintainer takes interest
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• 2112[21:21:21] <de-facto> i am trying to generate a secret key for signing binaries with drone ci/cd
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• 2114[21:22:14] <Surfer2011_> hello, how can i delete a single file that is shown in ls but cannot be deleted (rm) even not as root
• 2115[21:22:15] <de-facto> nodiscc, with this here: replaced-url
• 2116[21:22:38] <de-facto> it expects secret keys in base64 and the associated passphrase
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• 2121[21:25:49] <de-facto> nodiscc, I am trying to generate the secret key with a script (run inside a ssh session where i changed to git user with "sudo su - git") : replaced-url
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• 2126[21:27:17] <de-facto> the script is run from /home/git
• 2127[21:28:45] <nodiscc> de-facto: i see, does the script run without errors until the end? gpg --list-secret-keys works there?
• 2128[21:28:51] <EdePopede> Surfer2011_: any info why it can't?
• 2129[21:28:57] <de-facto> nodiscc, yes
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• 2131[21:29:52] <Surfer2011_> EdePopede: translated it basically say: "removing file XYZ not possible: fole or folder not found"
• 2132[21:30:28] <exifbono> hello all. I got a 3 1TB disks on a computer and I just installed a new debian, with the intent of "merging" 2 of them using LVM into a single vg-group. Could you tell me by my lsblk if I did it alright? replaced-url
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• 2134[21:30:49] <EdePopede> Surfer2011_: did you tab the filename? you may have a typo. spaces or similar in the filename? if all is no, maybe file attributes => `lsattr $filename`
• 2135[21:31:12] <Surfer2011_> yes filename was tab ...
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• 2137[21:32:13] <nodiscc> de-facto: at the end of the script I would try to 1. get the keyid (keyid=$(gpg --list-secret-keys | sed '4q;d') works for me) 2. export the key gpg --export-secret-keys $keyid
• 2138[21:32:16] <Surfer2011_> lsattr fileNAME --> argument is not correct(?) Error reading the flags
• 2139[21:32:49] <nodiscc> de-facto: I don't know if that would work but to me it looks like your gpg exporet command cannot connect to the agent in some way
• 2140[21:32:54] <de-facto> nodiscc, the current output of the script is: replaced-url
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• 2142[21:33:19] <pagetelegram> Is there any text editor that has option to print line numbers as part of the hard/soft output? Contenders to the Windows Notepad++ do not have this capability.
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• 2144[21:33:29] <nodiscc> yes so I'd find a way to extract line 15 of your paste and pass it to gpg --export-secret-keys
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• 2149[21:34:34] <EdePopede> Surfer2011_: seems you don't pass the correct filename (your shell may intervene), since 2 commands now don't get it. some odd characters i presume
• 2150[21:35:20] <Surfer2011_> 20151231_Silveste_Lulu_Damian_027.jpg
• 2151[21:35:20] <Surfer2011_> is the filename
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• 2154[21:36:07] <EdePopede> Surfer2011_: if you copy the filename now into the shell to do a `stat` or `ls`, does it work?
• 2155[21:37:08] <Surfer2011_> replaced-url
• 2156[21:38:19] <EdePopede> so stat gets it, nut not lsattr or rm. hm.
• 2157[21:39:45] <ironic_aneurysm> Surfer2011_: Is this a local filesystem?
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• 2159[21:40:16] <Surfer2011_> usb disk with ntfs
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• 2161[21:40:54] <de-facto> nodiscc, yes it seems the agent is broken for some reason: replaced-url
• 2162[21:41:22] <ironic_aneurysm> Surfer2011_: is the filesystem showing up as rw in mount?
• 2163[21:41:47] <Surfer2011_> well i removed all of the files in this folder except this one
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• 2165[21:42:25] <Surfer2011_> i can r & w on this drive no problem also delete
• 2166[21:42:25] <ironic_aneurysm> Surfer2011_: have you tried unmounting and remounting?
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• 2168[21:42:33] <nodiscc> de-facto: for what it's worth my gpg-agent is started by my desktop environment as /usr/bin/gpg-agent --supervised. But for a headless machine I don't really know
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• 2170[21:42:56] <Surfer2011_> yes tried un-/reounting
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• 2172[21:43:45] <forgon> What does FTBFS mean?
• 2173[21:43:45] <de-facto> nodiscc, yes that might be related, its a headless server where i ssh into as another user, then "sudo su" to become root, then "sudo su - git" to drop into the "git" account: gpg refused to work interactively because of some tty permissions, so i started to try scripting it
• 2174[21:44:19] <tarzeau> forgon: fails to build from source
• 2175[21:44:41] <tarzeau> dict is a great command line tool, which also knows of FTBFS
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• 2180[21:46:30] <nodiscc> de-facto: maybe it's because the environment set by 'su -' ? try with sudo -i git
• 2181[21:46:55] <nodiscc> di rectly from you base user
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• 2185[21:48:08] <de-facto> nodiscc, no fun yet :/
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• 2187[21:49:39] <de-facto> even adding --batch --no-tty everywhere does not have any effect
• 2188[21:50:03] <Surfer2011_> ironic_aneurysm: no difference once remounted
• 2189[21:50:14] <ironic_aneurysm> hmm.
• 2190[21:51:10] <ironic_aneurysm> welp, I don't have a lot of experience with ntfs, but I'm suspecting that's something in the neighborhood...
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• 2194[21:54:35] <Surfer2011_> :-(
• 2195[21:54:46] <nodiscc> Surfer2011_: can you show mount | grep ntfs? may have something to do with ntfs mount options
• 2196[21:55:53] <nodiscc> i think the easiest solution would be to delete the file from the OS that created it. but where's the fun in that
• 2197[21:55:56] <Surfer2011_> no result on mount | grep ntfs
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• 2200[21:56:29] <Surfer2011_> it's all mounted by openmediavault
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• 2203[21:56:49] <nodiscc> on what directory is it mounted? just try to find it in mount output
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• 2205[21:57:11] <Surfer2011_> /sharedfolders/
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• 2208[21:57:53] <Surfer2011_> /dev/disk/by-label/MedienPlatte /srv/dev-disk-by-label-MedienPlatte ntfs defaults,nofail 0 2
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• 2210[21:59:12] <nodiscc> ironic_aneurysm: I updated replaced-url
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• 2212[21:59:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2215[22:00:37] <nodiscc> Surfer2011_: you can try playing with mount options. replaced-url
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• 2218[22:00:44] <nodiscc> replaced-url
• 2219[22:01:30] <nodiscc> I try to stay away from ntfs-3g because of general slowness and things like this. but sometimes you have to :)
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• 2221[22:01:55] <Surfer2011_> i'm not sure how OMV will like it if i change the mounts in fstab that had been created by omv ?! .... :$
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• 2225[22:03:15] <nodiscc> Surfer2011_: there's always #openmedivault channel or replaced-url
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• 2227[22:03:42] <Surfer2011_> ok thanks i will try this also :-) thanks for your help so far
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• 2229[22:03:58] <nodiscc> time to destroy your filesystem by mistake and test your backups!
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• 2233[22:05:12] <Surfer2011_> ^^ well that's the point ... i'm cleaning my filesystems and reorganizing to hae a good backup system at the end
• 2234[22:05:24] <Surfer2011_> but not there yet ... so i hope i will get there soon
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• 2240[22:06:53] <ironic_aneurysm> Surfer2011_: re: openmediavault - that was also part of why I was asking if it was a local filesystem
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• 2242[22:07:01] <ironic_aneurysm> omv != debian
• 2243[22:07:19] <Surfer2011_> ok
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• 2254[22:11:41] <de-facto> Is anyone here using gpg or is it broken at the moment?
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• 2260[22:13:56] <ironic_aneurysm> I think it's safe to say that if gpg was broken, there'd be a bit of a stir.
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• 2262[22:14:55] <JackFrost> Considering all DDs use gpg to sign uploaded packages?
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• 2265[22:17:51] <jmcnaught> de-facto: did you check that the git user's home directory is owned by them, and has write permission?
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• 2268[22:18:23] <de-facto> jmcnaught, yes of course
• 2269[22:19:15] <exifbono> A broken gpg would be a great theme for a dystopian movie
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• 2273[22:20:28] <de-facto> is there any known way to convince gpg-agent to permit me access to my own private key?
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• 2275[22:21:00] <zleap> can seahorse help, (passwords and keys on the menu) >?
• 2276[22:21:03] <EdePopede> Surfer2011_: since you want to delete the file anyway, did you try to write into it? even as simple as `printf "" > $file`
• 2277[22:21:21] <de-facto> zleap, nope its a headless server without any Xorg stuff
• 2278[22:21:29] <de-facto> very minimal install
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• 2285[22:24:33] <Surfer2011_> EdePopede: i can write in it
• 2286[22:24:51] <Surfer2011_> i wrote "test" in it and opened it with the nano editor and it shows test
• 2287[22:24:58] <Surfer2011_> but still not deletable
• 2288[22:25:38] <zleap> de-facto: ah right, i was going to say as the gui would struggle in 512mb ram
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• 2290[22:26:12] <de-facto> its a 4GB VPS
• 2291[22:26:23] <de-facto> but i dont want any gui on it
• 2292[22:26:39] <zleap> de-facto: ah sorry, my response was probably inthe wrong channel, i got things mixed up
• 2293[22:27:17] <zleap> you're talking about ssh stuff, my response was re ubuntu on a beaglebone (other debian server)
• 2294[22:27:23] <de-facto> Surfer2011_, maybe something like "sudo chattr -i /path/to/file" can unlock it?
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• 2296[22:29:21] <Surfer2011_> not possible
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• 2299[22:29:39] <EdePopede> Surfer2011_: i'd bet on flag similar to those known to chattr (man mentiond `i`). or ntfs streams. you remember, those things which were kindly introduced to undermine security. no idea how linux userland tools handle these. may be they can't delete files on ntfs if there are streams associated with the file.
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• 2302[22:30:49] <nodiscc> replaced-url
• 2303[22:30:59] <nodiscc> >You can list all the named data streams a file has by getting the "ntfs.streams.list" extended attribute.
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• 2339[22:45:55] <de-facto> Even when i "find .gnupg -type f -exec chmod 777 {} \;" the agent says "error receiving key from agent: Permission denied - skipped"
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• 2346[22:49:15] <de-facto> so its not perms on fs: where can i edit the "Permission" of my own keys for gpg-agent?
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• 2355[22:58:43] <pagetelegram> what package is 'pip' install command in?
• 2356[22:59:44] <abrotman> dpkg: tell pagetelegram about apt-file
• 2357[23:00:00] <abrotman> dpkg: tell pagetelegram about search
• 2358[23:00:07] <abrotman> that being said, I'd guess the python-pip package
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• 2360[23:00:45] <pagetelegram> thx
• 2361[23:01:33] <rant> yeah, you'll probably feel less thankful after using pip :P
• 2362[23:01:54] <pagetelegram> just updating youtube-dl "the easy way..."
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• 2365[23:02:26] <rant> uh huh.. so you think :P
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• 2367[23:02:49] <pagetelegram> mpsyt is working for listing search results, only issue with it is that youtube-dl is out of date
• 2368[23:02:57] <rant> pip isnt all clean and warm and fuzzy like apt
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• 2371[23:04:32] * SlidingHorn hates pip...in python and in Paladins
• 2372[23:04:33] <pagetelegram> thanks for the warning. I do not want to screw up this machine. I'll curl it.
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• 2381[23:07:10] <de-facto> Any idea why GPG would NOT grant me permissions to my OWN private key? Generating script with output on headless Debian Stretch amd64 ssh login for another user then "su - git": replaced-url
• 2382[23:07:18] <EdePopede> "the easy way..."? with pip? er, that's *one* file (and the sig). static download link, http redirect to the actual package, version number in the url wish they all would do it that userfriendly
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• 2384[23:08:04] <rant> yeah pip would quite literally reinvent the wheel to do it
• 2385[23:08:08] <abrotman> pagetelegram: you could try uupdate
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• 2387[23:08:22] <pagetelegram> update nill for that package
• 2388[23:08:29] <pagetelegram> I got it directly
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• 2393[23:10:26] <pagetelegram> mpsyt still puking the guts out of youtube-dl....all error messages have to do with youtube-dl not mpsyt
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• 2404[23:13:17] * rant considers trying the pip3 method for mps-youtube just to see
• 2405[23:13:58] * rant fires up a VM :P
• 2406[23:14:52] <pagetelegram> On the edge of my seat!
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• 2408[23:15:26] <rant> I just made a new stretch base vm yesterday to answer some questions for someone.. might as well let it feel the pain
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• 2410[23:16:57] <rant> was gonna delete it anyhow.
• 2411[23:17:36] <rant> pagetelegram: fwiw you'd have had to install python3-pip not python-pip anyhow
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• 2422[23:21:51] <rant> uh ok, well those packages didnt seem to compile anything or make a mess
• 2423[23:22:29] <rant> though ~/.local/bin isnt a default PATH for debian
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• 2427[23:24:18] <rant> I suppose you can just do the pip3 install --user mps-youtube; pip3 install --user youtube-dl and then just su to root and mv the contents of ~/.local/bin to /usr/local/bin
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• 2429[23:24:51] <rant> idk that I'd trust pip running as root :P
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• 2431[23:25:12] <rant> or just modify your path
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• 2443[23:33:08] <rant> pagetelegram: if you're not using X you could install mplayer and "set player mplayer" "set show_video true" "set playerargs -vo fb -zoom -fs" and possibly add an -xy 1280 -aspect 16:9 or whatever your framebuffer width and ratio is
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• 2455[23:37:29] <phazon> pagetelegram: the framebuffer device may be different depending on the video hardware; might wanna confirm '-vo fb' works before you 'set' that
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• 2457[23:38:59] <rant> well iirc from the other night he was on a pi.. and those usually use fb.. but vdpau might also be appropriate
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• 2459[23:39:36] <phazon> '-really-quiet' is also particularly helpful to stop it from spamming the console with noise
• 2460[23:39:37] <rant> though for me the pip3 install --user mps-youtube was not playing most videos.. I had to use the pip3 install --user -U git+replaced-url
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• 2463[23:40:26] <rant> I was able to play Pittsburg Dad videos with the regular one, but not any "Official Video" music videos which are working fine with the dev version
• 2464[23:43:34] <rant> you may also want to set max_res 720 or lower
• 2465[23:43:39] <rant> if on a pi
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• 2467[23:44:27] <rant> they claim to do 1080p but that doesnt necesarily make it a good idea.. heh
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• 2471[23:44:53] <rant> to be streaming YT at 1080p
• 2472[23:45:10] <ironic_aneurysm> rant: but I *like* frame skipping
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• 2474[23:45:41] <rant> yes well you'd have to add that to your playerargs then.. :P
• 2475[23:46:04] <rant> mplayer can tolerate such things if you tell it in advanc
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• 2480[23:48:08] <rant> mps-youtube is a really nice program its just unfortunate the YT stuff isnt updated well in Debian repos
• 2481[23:48:25] <rant> its looking like it won't be in buster
• 2482[23:48:36] <rant> ,v mps-youtube
• 2483[23:48:37] <judd> Package: mps-youtube on amd64 -- jessie: 0.01.46-3; sid: 0.2.7.1-2; stretch: 0.2.7.1-2
• 2484[23:48:46] <rant> ,v youtube-dl
• 2485[23:48:47] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1; sid: 2019.01.17-1; buster-multimedia: 2019.01.24-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2019.01.27-dmo1
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• 2488[23:50:37] <JackFrost> youtube-dl has releases so often. What is 'buster-multimedia', btw?
• 2489[23:50:50] <rant> JackFrost: pretend you didn't see that :P
• 2490[23:51:03] <rant> !deb-multimedia
• 2491[23:51:03] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 2492[23:51:12] <JackFrost> Wondered, OK.
• 2493[23:51:58] <rant> it was popular many years ago, when we had a lot of things mp3, dvdcss, etc related that were not in debian.. but these days it just pulls in far too many deps that will break a ton of stuff
• 2494[23:52:41] <rant> its almost as bad as using an ubuntu ppa :P
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• 2497[23:55:06] <BCMM> rant: when was that? didn't there used to be non-us for that stuff?
• 2498[23:55:28] <abrotman> non-us was for crypto things
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• 2501[23:56:54] <BCMM> oh right, i had dvdcss muddled up with that (both "illegal" software, not just IP stuff)
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• 2503[23:59:05] <zleap> abrotman: yeah you can't export some encryption from the US iirc
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• 2505[23:59:20] <BCMM> they sorta fixed that
• 2506[23:59:55] <zleap> ah ok
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