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2[00:00:59] <xarragon> gawd, love how the simplest 'this usually takes 5 minutes' craps itself and turns into a 5-hour job
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4[00:01:57] <antzero> Is it normal that viewing epub files is very slow?
5[00:02:48] <antzero> I have installed okular-extra-backends and Okular now opens epub files but the loading and the use is very very slow in general
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13[00:08:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> try FBReader?
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28[00:14:39] <antzero> I switched to Calibre for epub, anyway I found an issue on github and it's a note slowness
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30[00:15:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> try FBReader?
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75[00:41:33] <fhwasn> Hey
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116[01:05:24] <mrpelican> : Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known from apt-get
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125[01:09:11] <awwal> -t ---» target release/default release
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127[01:09:41] <mrpelican> awwal, I don't understand
128[01:09:58] <awwal> mrpelican, man apt-get :)
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131[01:11:33] <mrpelican> awwal, I'm doing apt-get -t jessie-backports package
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133[01:12:18] <awwal> mrpelican, if you are running debian stable (right now Jessie) and you want to install X packages from another branch (unstable/testing - sid/stretch) you add that -t option to your command)
134[01:12:20] <awwal> thats all
135[01:12:37] <mrpelican> awwal, doesn't the command above do that?
136[01:12:47] <awwal> mrpelican, apt-get install -t jessie-backports package
137[01:13:12] <mrpelican> E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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141[01:15:28] <mrpelican> awwal, well thanks, works now, I removed the ending slash from /etc/apt/sources.lsit
142[01:15:33] <awwal> mrpelican, first add backports repository to your souces.list file then run apt-get update then apt-get install -t jessie-backports yourpackage
143[01:15:59] <awwal> !jessie-backports
144[01:15:59] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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149[01:18:19] <awwal> dpkg tell mrpelican about bdo sources.list
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151[01:19:02] <NipsuspiN> Hi
152[01:19:14] <mrpelican> awwal, I see, so those are THE most up to date intel graphics drivers I can possibly get?
153[01:19:23] <mrpelican> awwal, I can't push for more updated from sid or something?
154[01:19:46] <NipsuspiN> So, anyone else experienced the "A start job is running for LSB: Raising network interfaces [xx seconds / no limit]"
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156[01:20:30] <awwal> mrpelican, running stable(jessie) its not recommended at all install pkgs from testing or sid
157[01:21:08] <awwal> install the one from backports. or it doesn't suite your needs?
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159[01:21:21] <NipsuspiN> Because I'm in a strange situation where the computer hangs there literally forever (33h tested) but if I use the systemd (shit as that is) shell to kill the job it will boot and then internet does work
160[01:21:56] <mrpelican> awwal, My problem is that cinnamon seems to be running VERY slow grafially
161[01:22:01] <mrpelican> graphically
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164[01:22:32] <Die> Is it better to compile a program then convert a rpm to deb?
165[01:22:35] <awwal> mrpelican, try another DE
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167[01:22:51] <mrpelican> awwal, I don't like the others.
168[01:22:56] <awwal> gnome classic mode is similar to cinnamon
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174[01:24:46] <NipsuspiN> No one else?
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176[01:25:04] <awwal> mrpelican, I wonder if you weren't the same user having issues with cinnamon rendering mode, but with different username :P
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186[01:28:45] <mrpelican> awwal, Sounds like an interesting problem. o.o
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188[01:29:43] <awwal> mrpelican, if your debian system is just for daily home use, I suggest you xfce/lxde, or only a window manager
189[01:30:32] <Phibonacci> Hello, I want to create a bridge to an interface with static IP for openvpn but doing disables the connection: replaced-url
190[01:30:42] <Phibonacci> doing so*
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204[01:43:18] <SPIHDMI> Hello
205[01:43:21] <SPIHDMI> How can I write a script that when I run it it switches the mode from SPI to HDMI? I have my Pi in SPI mode for my touch screen, and I now would like to switch to HDMI.
206[01:43:24] <SPIHDMI> I am using Raspbian Jessie
207[01:43:25] <SPIHDMI> and a Raspberry Pi 2 Model B
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214[01:47:54] <simonlnu> just run a sequence of your nick and you'll geta nice bridge of your own. :P
215[01:48:17] <simonlnu> !raspian
216[01:48:17] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
217[01:48:33] <simonlnu> SPIHDMI: ^^^
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222[01:50:03] <NipsuspiN> Anyone run into the problem of "A start job is running for LSB: raise network interfaces [x seconds / no limit]"
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224[01:50:53] <NipsuspiN> Can anyone help with "A start job is running for LSB: raise network interfaces [x seconds / no limit]"
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232[01:54:11] <SPIHDMI> simonlnu: Thanks, but how do I run that script?
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235[01:55:23] <simonlnu> what script?
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238[01:56:14] <simonlnu> oh. ask in #bash and #raspian
239[01:56:15] <SPIHDMI> simonlnu: A script that when I run it it switches the mode from SPI to HDMI? I have my Pi in SPI mode for my touch screen, and I now would like to switch to HDMI.
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241[01:56:32] <SPIHDMI> simonlnu: Alright, I will
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249[02:01:19] <Emil> Can anyone help with "A start job is running for LSB: raise network interfaces [x seconds / no limit]"
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259[02:04:31] <Emil> Can anyone help with "A start job is running for LSB: raise network interfaces [x seconds / no limit]"
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261[02:04:53] <jmcnaught> Emil: it sounds like your /etc/init.d/networking is getting stuck. do you know what's in your /etc/network/interfaces?
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263[02:05:31] <jmcnaught> Emil: it's also surprising that there is no limit. I thought that the default limit was 90 seconds
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268[02:06:06] <Emil> jmcnaught: indeed thought so, too, but something (these are default installations of Debian Jessie and Armbian) is overriding it
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271[02:06:23] <Emil> tested for 33 hours on this desktop
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273[02:06:52] <jmcnaught> Emil: can you boot into recovery mode from the GRUB menu?
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278[02:07:20] <Emil> jmcnaught: I can use the systemd shell to kill the start job and boot will continue and network is available
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285[02:08:01] <jmcnaught> Emil: can you make a paste of your /etc/network/interfaces? Also "journalctl -b -u networking"
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287[02:08:11] <Emil> I'm doing that as we speak
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296[02:09:15] <Emil> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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300[02:09:39] <Emil> journal coming up
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312[02:10:48] <Emil> jmcnaught: emil.fi/jako/networking.txt
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317[02:11:11] <Emil> A fuckton of dhclient calls
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326[02:12:35] <jmcnaught> Emil: so when you kill that start job but networking is up, does it have both ipv6 and ipv4 addresses?
327[02:12:48] <Emil> jmcnaught: but the thing is, if I kill everything (it was just the first one I found on htop, there were others too but I think they were childs of it) related to networking, boot process continues and once booted there is network
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332[02:13:37] <Emil> jmcnaught: if I don't kill the start job it hangs forever, if I kill it boot continues and network is up once booted so at least ipv4 works, don't know about ipv6
333[02:13:41] <Emil> (Using ipv4)
334[02:14:05] <jmcnaught> Emil: it looks to me like it's waiting for an ipv6 address from the DHCP server, but not getting once
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337[02:14:27] <jmcnaught> Emil: does your router or whatever runs your DHCP server offer ipv6?
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340[02:15:12] <Emil> jmcnaught: I don't know. I can test, though, if you provide a command
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342[02:15:28] <Dagger> note that it may do IPv6 without doing DHCPv6. DHCPv6 is not required to autoconfigure v6
343[02:15:45] <Emil> at least test-ipv6.com tells me that I don't have a ipv6 address
344[02:16:08] <Dagger> probably best to just leave the inet6 stanza out. SLAAC will still work without it
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346[02:16:27] <Emil> ping6 localhost doest get a reply
347[02:16:50] <Emil> ping6 ipv6.google.com doesn't get a reply
348[02:16:50] <jmcnaught> you can at least figure out if that's the issue by booting with the ipv6 line commented out
349[02:17:11] <Emil> jmcnaught: okay, suppose that it hangs because it can't get an ipv6 address
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351[02:17:42] <Emil> That seems like a workaround?
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353[02:18:10] <Emil> I'd rather be able to get ipv6 if I'm served one instead of blocking it off completely
354[02:18:27] <jmcnaught> Emil: your upstream network needs to also support ipv6, but i agree that having ipv6 is desired
355[02:18:41] <jmcnaught> for now i was just suggesting it as a troubleshooting step to verify that this is the issue
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359[02:20:40] <Emil> jmcnaught: This will require me to switch to my phone for irc but I will attempt the recommend
360[02:20:56] <Emil> so editing out iface eth0 inet6 dhcp?
361[02:21:04] <Emil> from /etc/network/interfaces
362[02:21:06] <jmcnaught> Emil: do any of the other devices on the network have ipv6 working?
363[02:21:16] <jmcnaught> Emil: for now just comment it out with a # at the start of the line
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365[02:21:24] <Emil> jmcnaught: cannot verify easily
366[02:21:30] <Emil> Yeah, commenting it out*
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368[02:23:05] <Dagger> (you can use `rdisc6 eth0` (it's in "ndisc6") to see if there's any v6 routers on the subnet)
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375[02:24:01] <Emil> Dagger: which packet is that from?
376[02:24:12] <Dagger> ndisc6
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380[02:24:54] <Emil> Dagger: times out
381[02:25:03] <Emil> and no response
382[02:25:08] <Dagger> then yeah, no routers
383[02:26:02] <Emil> jmcnaught: switching not to phone and rebooting this system, will continue to use this account (servers are awesome)
384[02:26:21] <Emil> And at phone
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386[02:26:37] <Emil> issued sudo reboot
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389[02:27:22] <Emil> aaand stuck at the same place
390[02:27:33] <Emil> I can provide a quick video
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395[02:28:05] <Emil> Wait, no, it booted
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398[02:28:19] <Emil> Still complained abou no limit, which should be fixed
399[02:29:10] <Emil> I can confirm that at the moment commenting out that ipv6 portion of the config fixed the issue
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402[02:30:09] <jmcnaught> Emil: that's good i guess, except it means you don't have ipv6 :/ The DefaultTimeoutStartSec directive in /etc/systemd/system.conf is what's supposed to define timeouts
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405[02:31:57] <jmcnaught> Emil: on your system you can run "systemctl status networking" to see if it lists any drop-in files that might have a different timeout limit
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416[02:40:13] <Emil> indeed, that line about ipv6 is the one to blame
417[02:41:07] <Emil> jmcnaught: networking.service
418[02:41:08] <Emil> ?
419[02:42:14] <Emil> drop in files list: 50-insserv.conf-$network.conf
420[02:42:16] <Emil> and
421[02:42:25] <Emil> network-pre.conf
422[02:42:29] <Emil> both with paths
423[02:43:49] <jmcnaught> Emil: they're probably default, i just don't know why there was no time limit for you
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425[02:44:11] <jmcnaught> perhaps it's because other service units depend on networking to be up
426[02:44:19] <Emil> /run/systemd/generator/networking.service.d/50-insserv.conf-$network.conf
427[02:44:20] <Emil> and
428[02:44:34] <Emil> /lib/systemd/system/networking.service.d/network-pre.conf
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431[02:46:29] <jmcnaught> Emil: do those files say anything about delays or timeouts?
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436[02:48:20] <Emil> jmcnaught: the first one, in generator, is autogenerated by systemd-insserv-generator and mentions no timeouts or delays
437[02:48:39] <Emil> it wants network.target and also asks for before network.target
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439[02:49:12] <Emil> the other one, network-pre.conf wants After network-pre.target
440[02:49:22] <Emil> both are under headings [Unit]
441[02:50:41] <Emil> To me this is clearly a bug. The default scripts should handle boot with or without a network. The question is now: is it with Debian or Systemd
442[02:51:16] <jmcnaught> Emil: looks pretty standard to me. i haven't have this kind of a problem yet with systemd, but i suspect it could be related to a unit dependency (something depending on networking)
443[02:52:47] <Emil> jmcnaught: do you have additional recommendations?
444[02:52:53] <jmcnaught> Emil: you can also look at "systemctl show networking" to see what directives systemd has configured for the networking init script (it converts init scripts to systemd units on the fly)
445[02:52:56] <Emil> Disabling ipv6 is not something I'd like to do
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447[02:53:29] <jmcnaught> Emil: it seemed to me that you lack ipv6 support on your network altogether, you need to get that sorted before you have it working on this system
448[02:53:40] <Emil> jmcnaught: that is not the issue.
449[02:53:42] <jmcnaught> Emil: anyways i'll be out for a while, good luck :)
450[02:53:56] <Emil> jmcnaught: the issue is that default configs refuse to boot without it
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452[02:54:41] <Emil> jmcnaught: anycase, that command tells me that TimeOutStartUSec and *Stop* are both set to 0
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456[02:55:16] <Dagger> Emil: removing that "inet6 dhcp" stanza isn't disabling v6
457[02:55:17] <jmcnaught> Emil: well you have a bunch more clues to research than when you started. i might be back later if you're still trying to figure it out :)
458[02:55:43] <Emil> Dagger: what is the config there for, then?
459[02:55:54] <Dagger> the way DHCPv6 is supposed to work is that your router sends an RA announcing itself, and if DHCPv6 is available then it sets the "DHCPv6 available" flag in the RA
460[02:56:00] <Dagger> and systems are supposed to see that and try DHCPv6
461[02:56:23] <Emil> Dagger: and commenting that line out does then?
462[02:56:31] <Dagger> by explicitly adding an "inet6 dhcp" line, you're asking it to use DHCPv6 regardless of what the network says
463[02:56:48] <Emil> Dagger: hmm, okay
464[02:56:51] <Dagger> and it makes some amount of sense that networking won't finish coming up until the DHCPv6 request succeeds
465[02:57:19] <Dagger> (although the bit where it won't let you log in locally as a result doesn't make much sense)
466[02:57:38] <Emil> Dagger: so, if networking works without it, why have an automatic config at all?
467[02:57:45] <Dagger> Emil: honestly I'm not sure why you have that line in /e/n/i, I've never seen Debian add it before
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470[02:59:27] <Emil> Dagger: armbian also experiences the same problem without mentioning ipv6. It has auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp and auto lo iface lo inet loopback
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490[03:08:52] <err403> Any idea why this isn't accessible? Fdisk shows this replaced-url
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496[03:14:57] <err403> What is Debian's name for ntfsprogrs?
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498[03:15:52] <hypOS> no, idea, but what is debians name for firefox? or do I need the backports for it right now?
499[03:16:03] <hypOS> a quick heads up would be awesome
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501[03:16:37] <markybob> yes you shoud use backports
502[03:16:42] <markybob> should*
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504[03:17:43] <hypOS> okay, thank you very much, I will now read the article "The end of the iceweasel age", which I just found
505[03:17:46] <hypOS> :)
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556[03:46:24] <awwal> Mplayer cli mode doesn't play m3u / pls playlists?
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562[03:47:58] <dTal> awwal: man mplayer | grep playlist
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568[03:51:37] <awwal> dTal, ok, thanks. havent seen "-playlist" option. thanks. works fine now :)
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572[03:53:00] <dTal> yeah it's kind of a dorky interface if you ask me, it can autodetect tons of formats
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576[03:53:08] <Emil> Hi
577[03:53:35] <Emil> So, umm, what can I rip out off /etc/network/interfaces?
578[03:53:59] <slink> what are you trying to do?
579[03:54:12] <Emil> slink: avoid it hanging if it doesn't get ipv4 or ipv6
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581[03:54:33] <slink> you could set a static IP in there i suppose?
582[03:54:38] <Emil> slink: no
583[03:54:41] <slink> or remove the 'auto eth0' so it doesn't automatically come up
584[03:54:51] <slink> man interfaces
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586[03:55:15] <awwal> dTal, running gnu-linux is too much commands to remember, one gets lost! xD
587[03:55:20] <Emil> slink: I want it to try to get dhcp and then quickly give up and proceed to boot normally
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589[03:55:32] <Emil> Or at least reduce the timeout
590[03:55:44] <Emil> and then obviously try to get internet while boot has finished
591[03:55:45] <dTal> awwal: manpages are your friend, always check the manpages
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593[03:56:07] <awwal> dTal, of course :P
594[03:56:16] <slink> Emil: well, this isn't ideal, but you could remove 'auto eth0', then add in /etc/rc.local (or whatever it is these days), ifup eth0 &
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596[03:56:45] <dTal> ideally of course everything would be so friendly and intuitive we didn't need manpages
597[03:56:56] <awwal> xterm & bash manuals, no thanks, hahaha, I get a real headache. so extensives ... xD
598[03:57:10] <dTal> grep is also your friend
599[03:57:17] <awwal> right :)
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601[03:57:58] <dTal> although... the bash manpage is worth a read sometime, maybe someday you're stuck somewhere with no internet
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605[04:00:23] <ins3ct> someone who already used zMeu can help me?
606[04:00:34] <awwal> I dont know why debian still have 'radio' application if /dev/radio doesn't exit in the system. " radio ---» open /dev/radio0: no such file or directory"
607[04:01:51] <Emil> slink: that's a hack :D
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609[04:03:10] <awwal> replaced-url
610[04:03:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
611[04:03:31] <slink> yep
612[04:04:04] <awwal> why there is not a dev/radio dir? seems not a bug in radio software but kernel related
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615[04:04:51] <awwal> can one just create that radio directory in /dev naming it radio0 ?
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617[04:06:14] <awwal> i guess no one uses that application anymore xD
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631[04:12:10] <dTal> awwal: even if you tried that, it wouldn't be a directory
632[04:12:21] <dTal> the command is "mknod"
633[04:12:42] <awwal> mknod?
634[04:12:54] <dTal> yes, the device files in /dev are special
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636[04:13:02] <awwal> hm
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638[04:13:23] <dTal> however for what it's worth I can't remember a time I've ever needed mknod
639[04:13:41] <dTal> if you have the appropriate driver loaded, the relevant files should appear
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642[04:14:04] <cafuego> You shouldn't need it these days. The kernel with create the device node when the correct driver kernel module is loaded.
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645[04:14:36] <awwal> i have read somewhere that dev radio isn't present anymmore in linux systems bcoz of kernel changes, but i dont find the web link right now
646[04:15:08] <awwal> seems that the kernel doesn't provide such module anymore or something like that
647[04:15:41] <cafuego> It's probably bundled in the v4l stuff that mythtv also uses.
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658[04:19:50] <awwal> i would like try 'radio' nucurse radio player, but it complains about dev radio0 not found
659[04:20:34] <awwal> and no trace of it in dev, right
660[04:20:39] <awwal> ,v radio
661[04:20:41] <judd> Package: radio on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.95.dfsg.1-8.1+b1; wheezy: 3.102-3; jessie: 3.103-3+b1; sid: 3.103-4+b1; stretch: 3.103-4+b1
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665[04:22:36] <awwal> still maintained and available for all branch's but not working xD
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668[04:23:34] <awwal> probably missing an up-to-date manual page...
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673[04:27:05] <torpet> How does debian stable handle chromium upgrades? Are they usually upgraded or only if security bugs are found?
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680[04:34:00] <awwal> torpet, check jessie release notes, something is said about that there
681[04:35:00] <torpet> awwal: you talking about this document? replaced-url
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683[04:35:37] <Emil> dhclient should fix it's hanging and debian should perhaps change the "no limit" to something much better, like the default systemd timeout value
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687[04:38:08] <awwal> torpet, not enough info but a piste replaced-url
688[04:38:45] <torpet> nice thanks!
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702[04:44:06] <jmcnaught> Emil: hello again. do you have anything in /etc/network/if-up.d (or if-pre-up.d)? One jessie you also have the option of using systemd-networkd (instead of /e/n/interfaces)
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706[04:45:12] <jmcnaught> errr s/One/On/
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710[04:47:10] <mundus2018> Can someone help me install something? I seem to be getting errors when I run make replaced-url
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716[04:51:00] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: on Jessie at least the missing stdint.h file is in the gcc-arm-none-eabi package. are you on wheezy? it's probably the same. You can use "apt-file" to search for files in packages that aren't installed
717[04:51:29] <FaTony> I have the program with the same name in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin what file will be executed when I type the program name?
718[04:51:41] <mundus2018> cits jesse jmcnaught
719[04:52:47] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: oh yeah? your screenshot shows a path with "4.6" in it. gcc-4.6 is on wheezy, but not jessie (it has 4.8 and 4.9)
720[04:53:04] <jmcnaught> FaTony: what does "which program" tell you?
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722[04:53:34] <mundus2018> I installed the package gcc, becuase someone said I need to install gcc
723[04:53:44] <FaTony> jmcnaught, I currently don't have this situation, maybe I'll go ahead and try
724[04:53:50] <mundus2018> acctually I think its jesse... How can I check?
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727[04:54:35] <bibek> hello everyone
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729[04:55:07] <bibek> i have a pretty simple question: which file determines which dislay manager gets loaded on startup?
730[04:55:10] <awwal> mundus2018, lsb_release -a
731[04:55:13] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: "lsb_release -a" to see release information. or "cat /etc/debian_version". "uname -a" to see kernel version. "apt-cache policy gcc" to see gcc package version. "gcc --version" too
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734[04:55:32] <bibek> i have remote access to the machine and have to change the DM from gnome to cinnamon
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736[04:55:55] <mundus2018> Debian version 7.8
737[04:56:09] <mundus2018> lsb_release -a was command not found
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739[04:56:38] <mundus2018> gcc version 4.6.3
740[04:56:38] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: that's wheezy, and it's possibly behind on security updates
741[04:56:54] <mundus2018> probably
742[04:57:13] <computer> hi all - been poking around various backup solutions for debian - specifically, i want something to roll my system back to previous state if experiments go awry
743[04:57:30] <mundus2018> any idea what I can do? can I download and make the file on another computer maybe?
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745[04:57:35] <computer> any recommendations?
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748[04:58:24] <Emil> jmcnaught: can you help me with changing to systemd-networkd or point me to a good tutorial for it?
749[04:58:27] <computer> so that would be system not docs/photos etc
750[04:58:34] <Emil> but I'll share those configs
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752[04:59:35] <mundus2018> Acctually... Tried making on another machine and I got the same error
753[04:59:46] <Emil> in if-up.d I have avahi-daemon, mountfs, upstart, ehtool, openssh-server and wpasupplicant. In if-pre-up.d I have bridge, ethtool and wpasupplicant
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756[05:00:53] <bibek> guys, how do i get rid of gdm?
757[05:00:56] <jmcnaught> Emil: i found this but didn't read the whole thread. it might not be the same exact same issue (supposed to be fixed) but reading it might help you find stuff to check. replaced-url
758[05:00:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
759[05:01:17] <Emil> jmcnaught: i.imgur.com/Wo5HnGj
760[05:01:24] <Emil> jmcnaught: replaced-url
761[05:01:25] <jmcnaught> bibek: which DM are you trying to switch to? the DM is started by init, so systemd on Jessie.
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763[05:01:42] <Emil> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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765[05:02:25] <Emil> jmcnaught: killing the bottom most process, pid 564, allowed boot to resume
766[05:02:46] <mundus2018> any idea jmcnaught ?
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768[05:03:11] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: did you try installing the package i mentioned?
769[05:03:30] <mundus2018> yes
770[05:03:33] <mundus2018> I installed it
771[05:03:46] <jmcnaught> Emil: what happens if you do "ifdown eth0" and then "ifup eth0"?
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773[05:04:33] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: and now that this package is installed, if you run "dpkg -S /partial/path/to/missing/file" does it say it's installed?
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775[05:05:20] <mundus2018> jmcnaught, what would I put for /partial/path/to/missing/file
776[05:06:00] <Emil> jmcnaught: sudo ifdown -> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured. sudo ifup eth0: ifup: interface eth0 already configured
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778[05:06:36] <Emil> though I ran it twice and first time ifup started something
779[05:07:03] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: the missing file reported in the error in your screenshot: replaced-url
780[05:07:30] <mundus2018> Sorry ill do it next time
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783[05:08:26] <jmcnaught> Emil: this is probably because you killed the dhclient process
784[05:08:52] <jmcnaught> Emil: do you still have the inet6 line in /e/n/interfaces?
785[05:09:02] <mundus2018> Guessing this is wrong jmcnaught replaced-url
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788[05:11:44] <Emil> jmcnaught: did, I'll try again
789[05:11:46] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: so there's a file mentioned in that error that cannot be found. use "dpkg -S" to search for that file
790[05:12:01] <Emil> jmcnaught: same for idown without that line
791[05:12:02] <Emil> and
792[05:12:31] <mundus2018> I fixed it :D
793[05:12:44] <mundus2018> jmcnaught, needed to install build-essentials
794[05:13:16] <awwal> bibek, gdm3 is the default gnome display manager. I dont think you will be able to get rid of it nicely if you are running gnome. an easy way is installing another display manager, I recommend lightdm, choose it as default when dpkg prompts you, and disable dgm3 using systemctl
795[05:13:35] <Emil> jmcnaught: okay, so, ifdown eth0 cut my internet
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797[05:14:13] <Emil> jmcnaught: but
798[05:14:16] <Emil> lemme query the results
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806[05:17:01] <jmcnaught> Emil: heh of course, "ifdown eth0" takes down the eth0 interface, disconnects it
807[05:17:16] <Emil> jmcnaught: well, til :D
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813[05:18:48] <jmcnaught> Emil: and essentially what the networking service/initscript is doing is running "ifup" on the "auto" stuff in /e/n/interfaces at boot time
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819[05:19:33] <theraspberry> so I'm running debian sid and I wanted to install libgnutls30, but apt is saying that its going to remove libgtk3.0, libreoffice and a whole bunch of other packages. I was directed here from #linux with "ah the perennial bane of dpkg. thats not uncommon & its generally inexplicable"
820[05:19:50] <theraspberry> I can give a paste if required.
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824[05:21:47] <jmcnaught> !bat
825[05:21:48] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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827[05:22:31] <jmcnaught> theraspberry: the information above in pastes will help. you're probably better off asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
828[05:23:13] <jmcnaught> theraspberry: it's not a problem with dpkg so much as unstable/sid is a development version and sometimes it's simply broken, but conflicts can also be caused by third-party repos
829[05:23:22] <theraspberry> ah, jeez thats some work.
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831[05:23:38] <theraspberry> alright thanks :D
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842[05:29:24] <bibek> awwal: hmm, that's a shame. doing what you suggested let's see how it goes.
843[05:29:47] <bibek> i'm trying to run a headless vnc server on it and for some reason gdm doesn't play nicely. at all.
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854[05:34:26] <awwal> bibek, are you confusing DE vs DM?
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857[05:35:36] <bibek> awwal: i could be. idk. :D a minute.
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860[05:36:44] <mundus2018> Hey, anyone know if its possible to pipe all audio output to Pi-RM-RDS?
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863[05:37:22] <awwal> bibek, gdm3 is a DM (display manager, also called login manager); gnome is a DE (desktop environment); WM (window manager, such as openbox...)
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865[05:38:31] <bibek> awwal: yeah. i knew that. still confusing. thanks for reminding me.
866[05:38:41] <bibek> here's the error i'm trying to get away from replaced-url
867[05:39:02] <bibek> it's gnome-session complaining, so perhaps i should just change DE
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873[05:41:55] <awwal> i dont use gnome, no clue
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877[05:43:17] <bibek> it says dpkg-reconfigure is missing, there's a package for it?
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907[06:01:01] <awwal> bibek, dpkg-reconfigure what?
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925[06:09:00] <mundus2018> Anyone know how I can pipe audio output to another program?
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936[06:21:36] <Sir_Designer> mundus2018 replaced-url
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978[06:50:17] <mrpelican> Hi all, while installing the steam deb package, some other dependency failed, and it wound up uninstalling a TON of packages off my system
979[06:50:27] <mrpelican> replaced-url
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981[06:50:56] <mrpelican> How does the command "apt-get install libdrm2:i386" cause for 100 other packages to be removed?
982[06:51:10] <somiaj> mrpelican: where did you install the steam deb.
983[06:51:53] <somiaj> mrpelican: It could be an issue where the i386 version doesn't match the amd64 version you have installed causing a conflict and removing the lib which will remove lots of other things
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985[06:52:11] <mrpelican> somiaj, Where? all I did was dpkg -i steam.deb
986[06:52:28] <somiaj> mrpelican: where did you get this deb? Why aren't you isntalling the package from non-free?
987[06:52:34] <mrpelican> somiaj, steam started up, asked for root to install several other packages, (done it before), and they failed, and it uninstalled
988[06:52:44] <mrpelican> somiaj, steampowered.com
989[06:52:47] <mrpelican> the oficial site
990[06:53:21] <somiaj> you should have installed the package provided by debian, it would have figured out the depends with apt.
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992[06:53:42] <somiaj> ,v steam
993[06:53:43] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
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996[06:53:53] <somiaj> oh yea its an i386 package
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1001[06:55:05] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't understand why apt would just uninstall so many unrelated files without prompting me, nor do I understand why the logic would act that way
1002[06:55:17] <mrpelican> somiaj, regardless, I hav ea list of the removed files, do you know how I can fix it?
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1005[06:56:14] <somiaj> mrpelican: you most likely had a conflict, and this conflict of a core libary can remove all packages that depend on that libary
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1008[06:56:54] <mrpelican> somiaj, Do you know how I can identify the core conflict?
1009[06:57:43] <somiaj> mrpelican: pay attention to what apt was trying to do when you ran that command, and then track down the packages with apt-cache show and apt-cache policy
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1011[06:57:54] <somiaj> mrpelican: but in this case you should have isntalled steam via apt and avoided the whole issue
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1013[06:57:59] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't understand
1014[06:58:12] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: apt-get prompts if it is going to remove or install packages that aren't explicitly listed in the command
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1016[06:58:17] <mrpelican> somiaj, I understand how I can avoid it in the future.
1017[06:58:24] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't understand how to fix
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1022[07:00:31] <somiaj> mrpelican: pay attention to what apt is telling you, you should have been able to say no to apt wanting to remove everything and then you can look at what the conflict actually is
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1025[07:01:43] <somiaj> but best advise is to avoid conflicts all together by being careful when installing third party .debs
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1028[07:02:58] <mrpelican> somiaj, it's a large trusted 3rd party typically. :/
1029[07:03:55] <somiaj> it appears the problem was you had the libdrm2:amd64 isntalled from jessie-backports
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1032[07:04:35] <somiaj> but when you requested that isntall of libdrm2:i386, you requested the jessie version, this caused a conflict since you have to have matching libs on multiarch, and removed libdrm2:amd64 and everything that dependnend on it.
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1034[07:04:45] <somiaj> adding a -t jessie-backports to your install command would have avoided this.
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1037[07:05:38] <mrpelican> somiaj, how do I undo those changes?
1038[07:05:42] <somiaj> also according to your history, you rand an upgrade that caused everyting to upgrade to the jessie-backports repo, this shoudln't happen unless you changed the pinning, as this is one reason you shodhln't just upgraded all your packages to jessie-backports
1039[07:06:13] <somiaj> mrpelican: you may have to llok though the log and manually install a few of the non-lib packages that were removed and let them pull in the libs they want again.
1040[07:06:34] <mrpelican> somiaj, every package I attempt to install tells me it has unmet dependencies
1041[07:06:59] <somiaj> you need to fix your install first, if apt-get -f install doesn't fix it, you need to track down which package has the unmet dependency
1042[07:07:26] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't know how
1043[07:07:29] <somiaj> it could also be an issue with jessie vs jessie-backports. By default jessie-backports libs won't be included (which is good)
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1046[07:08:13] <somiaj> apt-get -t jessie-backports -f install might work, but that upgrade that upgraded many packages to jessie-backports is what started this. I don't see why that should have happened unless you changed the pinning of jessie-backports
1047[07:08:33] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't know what you mean by changed the pinning
1048[07:08:37] <somiaj> mrpelican: care to paste the output of 'apt-cache policy'
1049[07:09:10] <mrpelican> somiaj, replaced-url
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1052[07:12:09] <somiaj> I woudln't use a repo for ubuntu precise on a debian system. But your jessie-backports repo is pinned correctly at 100, so I do not know why an upgrade would have upgraded all your packages to the jessie-backports version, this should not have happened.
1053[07:13:44] <mrpelican> I'm stuck right now staring at a console
1054[07:13:57] <somiaj> I have seen this happen to someone else, apt is behaving like it is designed, but maybe a better warning to the user or having apt figure out that since the jessie-backports version for the amd64 package is installed to also isntall the i386 version when manually requesting it to be installed.
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1057[07:15:00] <mrpelican> somiaj, What I'm hearing is that I'll have to reinstall my entire system and waste several more hours
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1061[07:15:42] <somiaj> mrpelican: it is fixable but it would take time tracking down the conflicts and fixing them.
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1064[07:17:04] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't know how to track down the conflict.
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1066[07:18:49] <bibek> hi
1067[07:18:50] <somiaj> mrpelican: well the call is yours, use it as a learning experience to fix it, or reinstall.
1068[07:19:00] <bibek> why is groupadd not available?
1069[07:19:05] <bibek> wierd
1070[07:19:42] <somiaj> bibek: are you running this as root, /usr/sbin won't be in a normal users path.
1071[07:19:45] <mrpelican> somiaj, I don't know how to fix it, and it sounds a like a bug/design error with no easy reversal, so I'm just going to re-install the entire system
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1073[07:20:04] <mrpelican> it's already midnight, fantastic
1074[07:20:06] <bibek> somiaj: ohh let me try.
1075[07:20:07] <mrpelican> fml
1076[07:20:19] <somiaj> mrpelican: the reversal is don't blindy say yes when installing things with apt. Read first.
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1078[07:20:45] <somiaj> mrpelican: as for the issue, I do agree there are some things that need to be cleaned up with out jessie and jessie-backports work with pinning, but it is working as designed.
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1083[07:22:56] <bibek> thanks. that was it.
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1101[07:31:15] <TheNaziParty> My daughter was watching a tv show when i noticed there was a guy typing a command into a bash terminal the command was "iptables -i inputf -6 -p tcp -m" what does this do?
1102[07:32:23] <somiaj> TheNaziParty: man iptables
1103[07:32:46] <somiaj> TheNaziParty: replaced-url
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1106[07:34:39] <TheNaziParty> somiaj: Thanks
1107[07:35:05] <TheNaziParty> It turns out it is not valid
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1112[07:38:10] <bibek> TheNaziParty: yup, i thought it was incomplete, at best
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1115[07:39:23] <bibek> so, i got rid of gdm3 and want to run a cinnamon session, but the thing is i only have remote access to the machine, how do i proceed?
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1118[07:39:43] <bibek> also it's headless(no monitor) and i'm the sole user.
1119[07:39:47] <bibek> with root access.
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1124[07:43:05] <somiaj> bibek: there are various ways, but any reason you want to run cinnamon? Would just using ssh X11 forwarding work (this can run xorg apps on a remote client)
1125[07:43:11] <somiaj> bibek: you coudl also set up a vnc server
1126[07:43:33] <bibek> somiaj: i am trying to set up vnc server actually.
1127[07:44:17] <somiaj> I have never set one up, but I think tighvncserver is fairly easy to set up.
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1133[07:46:37] <bibek> somiaj: so, i tried to do it using tightvnc and gnome session, but gnome-session gave me error ( replaced-url
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1136[07:47:47] <somiaj> bibek: gnome-session requires some level of opengl and I don't htink you have that over a vnc connenction
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1139[07:48:33] <somiaj> bibek: I'm unsure if there are any tweaks you can do to get gnome to run under vnc
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1142[07:50:02] <bibek> yeah. so, onto the cinnamon. i started Xorg from command line, started gnome session on DISPLAY=:0 also remotely. and vnc'ed it. i got a crippled desktop. not all panel/tray were present. so, i was thinking more of a .xinit, way? perhaps.
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1144[07:50:39] <somiaj> bibek: what do you mean by .xinit way? Just have the user run 'startx' after they connect to the vnc session instead of having a display manager?
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1146[07:51:33] <bibek> hmm, on a second though that woulnd't work. coz vnc can only serve if display is present i.e. X is already running.
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1148[07:52:29] <somiaj> Might depend on how you configure vnc, I only use vnc with virtual machines and I'm able to connect to consoles and run startx inside of it just fine
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1154[07:53:42] <bibek> ohh, okay. let me try if i can do something like that,
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1159[07:56:25] <f-a> I have got a scanned pdf which takes ages to load. Is there any way to, err, downgrade it?
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1162[07:57:19] <nkuttler> f-a: ocr?
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1165[07:58:37] <f-a> nkuttler: no dice, it's a scanned music score from archive.org.
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1170[08:00:18] <f-a> and they scan with a high dpi
1171[08:04:40] <somiaj> bibek: maybe look at gnome-flashback, I found some info that suggests that is the only way to get gnome working.
1172[08:04:51] <somiaj> bibek: cinnamon might not work I read but gnome-flashback should
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1174[08:04:54] <somiaj> ,v gnome-flashback
1175[08:04:55] <judd> Package: gnome-flashback on amd64 -- jessie: 3.10.0-3; sid: 3.20.1-1; stretch: 3.20.1-1
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1212[08:25:56] <bibek> somiaj: oh cool, yeah. cinnamon wasnt playing nicely either.
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1216[08:27:09] <somiaj> bibek: looks like you need tigervnc to for compositing wms, which looks like it may be in debian9, unsure if it will be avaiable via jessie-backports though (as it isn't in sid yet)
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1294[09:07:23] <xarragon> Anyone tried running without swap on a laptop? Is it feasible?
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1303[09:10:49] <jelly> xarragon: yes (having 16GiB RAM helps)
1304[09:12:15] <Stummi> actually, I think if you have enough ram for your everyday usage, having no swap the preferred way
1305[09:12:48] <xarragon> jelly: Have Thinkpad X230 with 8GiB, upgrading it with a large SSD now and going to pop in another 8GiB memory module..
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1308[09:14:57] <xarragon> jelly: Well, I will try it.
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1324[09:23:12] <MaBunny> guys i found a bug in vlc
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1326[09:23:31] <MaBunny> i had my vlc running and playing some songs
1327[09:23:57] <MaBunny> and i was like renaming my folders to remove blank spaces....
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1330[09:24:22] <MaBunny> i renamed my music folder too...and when my current song finished
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1332[09:24:45] <MaBunny> vlc just overpowered my system....idk
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1334[09:25:39] <MaBunny> maybe its my fault....but vlc shouldnt be like running on 56% freq n stuff
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1342[09:32:45] <ocb> some version of vlc a few months ago crashed my debian in vm like 10 times in a row when I resized the vlc to the upper right corner :)
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1344[09:33:02] <ocb> when I resized to the upper left corner, all ok
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1351[09:35:40] <w0lf1c> hi
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1358[09:38:09] <Wulf> Hi
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1360[09:38:58] <tetero> xarragon: Even though you may not need swap if you have enough RAM, there are other circumstances where it might be useful. Hibernation, for example.
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1362[09:39:39] <Wulf> I've got one package source and build it for different releases. Reprepro tells me that it can't include two binary packages with same name but different contents (here: slightly different Depends). What would be the right fix for this issue?
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1367[09:44:23] <JyZyXEL> main packagekitd[2813]: Internal error, DistUpgrade broke stuff
1368[09:44:43] <tetero> MaBunny: Perhaps it was going through the entire playlist rapidly and finding none of the songs were there anymore?
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1372[09:46:49] <MaBunny> yeah tetero you r right
1373[09:46:54] <xarragon> tetero: Yes, but I deliberately chose not to have hibernation on this setup. I am going for a "secure" setup, playing with disk encryption etc.
1374[09:47:15] <xarragon> Anyways, I never really hibernated it anyway. Did either sleep or poweroff.
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1378[09:48:19] <xarragon> I actually playing with the builtin harddrive encryption; got an Intel SSD which does not like uncompressibvle data, so dmcrypt was not ideal.
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1381[09:48:35] <tetero> xarragon: Yeah, just making sure you're aware of it. It's easy to miss that hibernation swaps, even if the system doesn't otherwise
1382[09:48:46] <thms> Hi, is there a good ncurses interfaces to show me what's being launched at boot ?
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1384[09:49:00] <xarragon> But the thinkpad BIOS/EFI handles harddrive password nicely even efter I swapped the Lenovo OEM drive with a retail Intel 535.
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1388[09:49:50] <xarragon> tetero: I actually managed to run out of memory with 8 GB + 8 Gb swap.. Dunno wtf I was doing, probably long-running Firefox instances.
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1390[09:50:14] <xarragon> tetero: So this is sort of a way of forcing some discipline onto myself.
1391[09:50:16] <tetero> xarragon: Built-in encryption eh? Intel 520?
1392[09:50:38] <xarragon> tetero: Newer, 535.. But I am not sure how much trust to place in it.
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1395[09:51:18] <tetero> xarragon: I assume that the encryption is at least on par with the 520. It's definitely good enough to protect you from consumers. Definitely not good enough to protect against the government, if they are determined to get access to your data
1396[09:51:26] <xarragon> tetero: actually the original 520 that came with the Thinkpad never worked with dmcrypt, despite a week of experimentation.. I was starting to ssupect intentional sabotage from lenovo
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1399[09:52:12] <xarragon> tetero: Yeah, I kind of suspect these drive encryption stuff to be dodgy, either intentionally or unintentionally.
1400[09:52:15] <tetero> xarragon: Lenovo have been found out in the past to integrate espionage circuitry on their business class notebooks. I'm not sure if they're still doing it, but some governments have banned their use for government stuff. (The US for example.)
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1403[09:53:07] <xarragon> tetero: But everythign truly sensitive will be in separate containers, only briefly unlocked. The whole-drive stuff is just in case I lose the laptop on a train, then i dont want some thief to get receipts, contacts etc.
1404[09:53:08] <tetero> I'm suspecting that a lot of manufacturers are doing dodgy things in these regards
1405[09:53:24] <tetero> xarragon: Yeah it's definitely good enough for that application
1406[09:53:52] <xarragon> tetero: Any evidence? I know the US stopped using them and went to Dell, though I always thought that was more good ol protectionism and paranoia.
1407[09:54:28] <xarragon> Otherwise, these machines come with intel AMT, which is bascially a hardware backdoor.
1408[09:54:54] <xarragon> Like literally an embedded computer inside the computer, designed for remote management
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1410[09:55:25] <tetero> xarragon: I can't really remember. You can find a lot of information about it if you google for lenovo backdoor
1411[09:55:35] <xarragon> Lenovo SSD also comes with "customized" firmware (which is buggy), which I also don't trust..
1412[09:55:59] <xarragon> tetero: You know about all the various anti-theft systems then? That's another can of worms.
1413[09:56:38] <xarragon> tetero: X230 comes with Lojack and Intel Anti-theft, basically hardware-assisted rootkits with phone-home.
1414[09:56:41] <tetero> xarragon: Honestly, as I said, I suspect that many manufacturers are putting in all kinds of backdoors or weaknesses. There was a pretty questionable affair involving junos (juniper networks operating system) that has me on edge, as we use juniper networks gear throughout our network
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1418[09:57:31] <tetero> The fact that the US can legally order companies like Juniper to implement backdoors, or vulnerabilities, and ban them from telling their customers means that it's up in the air regarding closed source software in general.
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1420[09:57:57] <fireba11> tetero: look for manufacturers with canry-websites? :-D
1421[09:57:58] <qmr> til people still use juniper
1422[09:58:01] <antzero> How do I set custom dpi in Firefox?
1423[09:58:08] <qmr> tetero: 2003 called, they want their shit back
1424[09:58:21] <antzero> I want two different values of dpi , one for the system and one for firefox
1425[09:58:26] <antzero> I still can't get how to do it
1426[09:58:34] <tetero> fireba11: Ha. I typically just check if they've got DoD on linkedin ;-P
1427[09:58:44] <fireba11> antzero: dpi means "dots per inch" so that does not make sense :-D
1428[09:59:04] <antzero> I meant dpi rendering
1429[09:59:04] <tetero> qmr: You're on IRC. Do you know how long this has been outdated? ;)
1430[09:59:16] <xarragon> tetero: Yeah, it is getting rather sickening. And consumers are being conditioned to beliving always-on monitoring is to their benefit. Was shopping for a NAS; every damn product has "CLOUD!!" written as their main feature.
1431[09:59:23] <antzero> font dpi
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1433[09:59:28] <antzero> or w/e you wanna call it
1434[09:59:52] <qmr> xarragon: FUCK FUCK FUCK THAT. JFSDKJFDSKAFJKDS
1435[10:00:05] <tetero> xarragon: Cloud is kind of the trendy thing right now.. probably sells a lot of gear
1436[10:00:20] <qmr> one of the new routers I bought to test prompts me to make a "cloud account". instead of, you know, going to router setup
1437[10:00:27] <qmr> absolutely disgusting
1438[10:00:48] <tetero> Consumer router I presume?
1439[10:00:51] <qmr> tetero: that word triggers me plz don't say it
1440[10:00:59] <epsilon> .oO there's no cloud, just someone else' computer
1441[10:01:02] <qmr> yes. thought it could run ddwrt, but .. it won't stay installed
1442[10:01:16] <qmr> epsilon: correct. I used to work for a business purporting to be "cloud" ( vps provider )
1443[10:01:18] <tetero> qmr: I don't abide by trigger warnings as the entire concept is ridiculously stupid
1444[10:01:22] <xarragon> qmr: Well you CAN fsck it. I bought a cheap D-Link router and put OpenWRT on it, got rid of all the junk. Same thing with my IP-camera, custom firmware, sweet!
1445[10:01:27] <qmr> tetero: correct
1446[10:01:57] <qmr> xarragon: tell me more about custom ip camera firmware ?? I have some cheap cameras with broken china firmware
1447[10:02:21] <qmr> I can't do cheap router though. interference here is crazy and I want a fast network
1448[10:02:22] <fireba11> xarragon: build my own NAS ... uATX-board with amd fusion, 5x3TBHD, 64SSD for OS, debian, done :-D
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1450[10:02:55] <xarragon> qmr: Well in my case I got a D-Link 930L IP camera for like $30, it had cloud. Then I found out you can run OpenWRT on it, though you have to build an image yourself.
1451[10:02:57] <qmr> itym 64GB SSD for L2ARC
1452[10:03:22] <epsilon> I once installed a owncloud on a single server for a customer, since then the customer was proud to announce their data to be in cloud
1453[10:03:29] <qmr> my cameras cost about the same, but have PTZ ( more the PT bit )
1454[10:03:32] <tetero> fireba11: You could just use ARM boards you know :-) bring the power consumption down a bit
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1456[10:04:21] <fireba11> tetero: software raid and luks encryption and GBit network .. it's too much for the small CPU already *cough*
1457[10:04:36] <xarragon> qmr: I am actually playing with replaceing firmware on stuff, though I am not very good yet. Trying to make an open firmware for my Motorola Moto G.
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1459[10:05:02] <tetero> fireba11: You can use hardware raid, accelerated encryption and gigabit is not a problem either. You just have to get something other than a raspberry pi ;)
1460[10:05:03] <epsilon> depends in raid level, raid1 doesn't cost CPU
1461[10:05:11] <xarragon> qmr: But IP cameras are high on my list too, I want to make a cool home alarm system.. But havn't found any good/cheap ones yet
1462[10:05:40] <fireba11> epsilon: the raid is barely noticable compared to the strong encryption :-D
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1464[10:05:59] <xarragon> Regarding NAS:es, Buffalo linkstation had a very nice model with 2x3TB disks inckluded för $200 or so (incl. VAT).
1465[10:06:02] <jelly> !offtopic
1466[10:06:02] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1467[10:06:10] <fireba11> epsilon: i get about 50MB/s as continuous write speed
1468[10:06:29] <xarragon> Was tempted to buy it, because buying disks alone costs more than that, then replace the firmware on the ARM board inside.
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1470[10:06:42] <xarragon> jelly: ok, sorry
1471[10:06:46] <tetero> Well then, I'm switching to -offtopic
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1473[10:06:54] <qmr> xarragon: I need to hack my "smart" home gateway so I can rip the cloud out of it
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1475[10:08:50] <fireba11> qmr: trending sports 2016: de-cloud-ifying things
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1479[10:10:57] <qmr> I wonder if anyone will wake up leading to self hosting being the hip new thing
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1503[10:19:43] <thms> I'm trying to get my rsync darem
1504[10:19:58] <thms> daemon to start at boot, so I done update-rc.d rsync defaults
1505[10:20:12] <thms> But when I reboot it's not launched, I have to do: /etc/init.d/rsync start
1506[10:20:24] <thms> so that it is listening on port 873
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1510[10:24:10] <fennesz> Hello ! Does anyone know how I can use my debian machine as ntp server to others?
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1525[10:41:38] <joelmo> can I find the reverse dependencies of a package through the web?
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1530[10:43:09] <joelmo> or if someone is able to do it via command line, I don't have package tools here, can you send me reverse deps for libxdo3, please
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1545[11:04:28] <teraflops> qmr: self hosting > cloud
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1547[11:04:43] <FinalX> cloud is just "someone else's computer"
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1549[11:05:27] <teraflops> FinalX: I only trust myself, and not always
1550[11:07:06] <FinalX> I have a few VPS's around the globe, quite the international network, which would not be possible (or at least not for anywhere that low amount of money) otherwise. At the same time, everything of importance runs on my server in a highly controlled datacenter in LXC-containers, with ZFS, LUKS etc :)
1551[11:07:22] <juul> why do some packages in apt not list their Source package?
1552[11:07:26] <juul> e.g. the acl package
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1554[11:08:03] <FinalX> some just don't have one, could be various reasons, like if a package is just a meta for another package, there's no point in a source package
1555[11:08:33] <FinalX> (as far as i know, anyway)
1556[11:08:52] <juul> ah yes that makes sense, but i don't think the acl package is a meta
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1559[11:09:39] <juul> it looks like it has a source package, since i can download it with `apt-get source acl` but when I do `apt-cache show acl` there is no Source field listed
1560[11:09:41] <juul> hm
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1562[11:09:56] <Iridos> but the acl package has files
1563[11:10:16] <juul> oh myabe it's not listed when the name of the source package is exactly the same as the name of the binary package?
1564[11:10:22] <Iridos> replaced-url
1565[11:11:05] <Iridos> where do you see the source package listed anyway
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1569[11:12:00] <Iridos> oh, you mean like Package: libpoppler-cil // Source: poppler-sharp
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1574[11:13:02] <juul> Iridos: yeah!
1575[11:13:21] <juul> using `apt-cache show package-name`
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1585[11:16:35] <vvuja> hello
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1589[11:18:12] <vvuja> error: /etc/logrotate.d/vvujovic_logrotate:6 bad compress path /bin/bzip2
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1591[11:18:19] <vvuja> anyone familiar with this error
1592[11:18:25] <vvuja> any solution
1593[11:18:30] <Iridos> juul, I also guess it only makes sense to show the source package name in that description if it differs from that of the binary package... you can always do apt-cache showsrc to get the description of the source package
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1596[11:19:04] <Iridos> vvuja, maybe you don't have bzip2 installed?
1597[11:19:10] <vvuja> yes it is there
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1599[11:19:27] <vvuja> I just executed it
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1601[11:20:00] <Iridos> anyway... it's an error in line 6 of your self-written config in /etc/logrotate.d/vvujovic_logrotate
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1605[11:20:28] <vvuja> which says compresscmd /bin/bzip2
1606[11:20:31] <vvuja> and it does not work
1607[11:20:36] <vvuja> and it is option of logrotate
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1615[11:24:27] <juul> Iridos: thanks! did no know about that command
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1618[11:25:06] <Iridos> vvuja, replaced-url
1619[11:25:46] <Iridos> there's a pretty old bug #230519 from 2004 with bzip2
1620[11:25:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1623[11:26:55] <Iridos> heh. and one bug from 2001 when the feature was added
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1627[11:28:49] <Iridos> vvuja, hm. replaced-url
1628[11:28:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1646[11:44:39] <vvuja> solved
1647[11:44:43] <vvuja> upgraded version Iridos
1648[11:44:45] <vvuja> thanks
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1650[11:44:52] <vvuja> thanks judd Iridos
1651[11:44:57] <vvuja> upgraded version and solved the issue
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1672[11:56:45] <jjulian> hey, im doing a logging on iptables but cant find the entries. Im on debian and trying to find the logs. I normally find them in syslog or dmesg but both are empty. I can see the log rule is processing packages. any hints for me what am i missing?
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1682[12:00:36] <Walex> jjulian: you can setup a rule that says which level/facility to log to, and then you need to tell your variant of 'syslog' where to put that.
1683[12:01:26] <jjulian> im currently putting it on warning and iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix "iptable: " --log-level 4
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1690[12:04:52] <Walex> jjulian: the facility is 'kern' so it goes wherever 'kern.*' or 'kern.warning' goes
1691[12:05:06] <Walex> jjulian: but first check with 'dmesg | grep iptable:'
1692[12:05:16] <jjulian> completely empty
1693[12:05:35] <Walex> jjulian: then it is not logging... Another check is
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1695[12:06:00] <Walex> jjulian: iptables -L -v -n | grep LOG
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1697[12:06:04] <jjulian> Walex: im trying a quick reboot as i played a lot iwht xt_LOG and nf_iplog_4 and so on maybe some module interferns
1698[12:06:17] <Walex> the first field is the count of how many times that rule was "hit"
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1700[12:06:20] <jjulian> Walex: im doing a watch -n 0.5 iptables -nvL
1701[12:06:27] <jjulian> and that show me lots of hits
1702[12:06:41] <Walex> iptables -L -v -n | grep LOG | sort -n
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1704[12:06:59] <Walex> jjulian: then 'dmesg' cannot be empty...
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1706[12:07:20] <jjulian> dmesg | grep iptables is "close" to empty. im just seeing a message about iptables has been loaded
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1717[12:09:54] <jjulian> Walex: iptables shows packets for the iptable rule '104 8736 LOG all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 LOG flags 0 level 4 prefix "iptable:"'
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1719[12:10:05] <jjulian> but these seem to be not logged at all
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1725[12:12:55] <Walex> what matters is not the packets, but the counts, but I guess the count is non-zero too
1726[12:13:06] <Walex> jjulian: then check your 'klog' settings
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1731[12:13:45] <Walex> jjulian: actually I think nowadays they are in '/proc/sys/'
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1735[12:14:59] <jjulian> Walex: have to lines added to rsyslog.conf which both should hit the log from iptables. but looking for klog setting
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1738[12:15:12] <Walex> jjulian: vague memory it is in /proc/sys/kernel/printk]
1739[12:15:46] <Walex> jjulian: and/or kernel command line parameter 'loglevel=' but I think it is the same
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1742[12:16:45] <jjulian> never heard about printk file but this is the contents: "4 4 1 7"
1743[12:17:57] <Walex> jjulian: replaced-url
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1747[12:19:09] <Walex> jjulian: also note that 'dmesg' has a finite size
1748[12:19:41] <Walex> jjulian: so check the config for your variant of 'syslog' for the destination of 'kern.' messages
1749[12:20:07] <jjulian> Walex: checked and configured rsyslog before
1750[12:20:52] <Walex> jjulian: my current guess is that your 'iptables' logging works, but either the messages are not currently being logged because the events that causes them don't happen, or the kernel is configured not to print them
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1755[12:22:25] <Walex> in 'rsyslog' I have two rules like 'kern.info /var/log/kern.log' and also ':msg,contains,"iptable" /var/log/iptables.log'
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1757[12:22:45] <Guest48762> /msg NickServ identify !Linuxator#29121972
1758[12:23:08] <Guest48762> /msg NickServ identify linuxator !Linuxator#29121972
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1760[12:23:32] <Guest48762> /msg NickServ identify linuxator !Linuxator#29121972
1761[12:23:41] <FinalX> well, that went well
1762[12:23:44] <jjulian> @Guest48762 you should be aware that we can see that :P
1763[12:24:02] <Guest48762> hi
1764[12:24:05] <teraflops> nah I cannot believe that's a mistake
1765[12:24:13] <FinalX> at least it's a better password than my boss had
1766[12:24:21] <FinalX> he uses shit like ComfyChair2014
1767[12:24:35] <jjulian> Walex: i have nearly the same lines
1768[12:24:42] <FinalX> ok, well, nick in password is somewhat debatable as better..
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1773[12:25:19] <jjulian> Walex: “:msg, contains, "iptable" /var/log/iptables.log” “kern.* /var/log/iptables.log” before it was kern.warning and kern.info
1774[12:25:50] <jjulian> Walex: added more rules on different log levels like 4, 7 and one to see if that makes a difference but it does not. packet counts are raising but unable to find an output
1775[12:26:38] <jjulian> Walex: of course restarted rsyslog after changes took place :P
1776[12:27:21] <Guest48762> i installed the amd microcode package but I still get this error here: replaced-url
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1780[12:29:19] <Guest48762> /msg NickServ identify linuxator !Linuxator#29121972
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1782[12:30:01] <uniTosch> Guest48762 you should change your password.
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1785[12:32:25] <teraflops> Guest48762: please remove the spaces before "/"
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1794[12:35:56] <deepblue__> I installed the amd microcode package and I still get this error: replaced-url
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1799[12:39:12] <Walex> jjulian: hard to say, but note that you have to look at the rule hit count, no the packet count
1800[12:39:58] <Walex> jjulian: change also the 'printk' levels to ensure the log messages go to 'dmesg'
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1803[12:41:19] <callkalpa> Hi can someone point me to the commons-httpclient that is being used in debian?
1804[12:41:33] <MaBunny> are there any programs to read .chm files in linux???
1805[12:41:48] <Walex> MaBunny: yes
1806[12:41:51] <bazhang> ,v chmsee
1807[12:41:52] <judd> Package: chmsee on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.0-1
1808[12:42:00] <MaBunny> ok thnx
1809[12:42:08] <bazhang> thats just one
1810[12:42:37] <bazhang> apt-cache search comic in the terminal
1811[12:42:38] <MaBunny> no...are there any graphical ones...and one terminal too pls :)
1812[12:42:43] <MaBunny> ok
1813[12:43:48] <MaBunny> ok...comix is a graphical one i guess???
1814[12:43:48] <themill> ,i kchmviewer
1815[12:43:49] <judd> Package kchmviewer (kde, optional) in jessie/amd64: CHM viewer for KDE. Version: 6.0-1; Size: 192.0k; Installed: 771k; Homepage: replaced-url
1816[12:44:14] <MaBunny> no...i dont want to download KDE software
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1818[12:44:45] <themill> Nice work, ask for suggestions then reject every suggestion you're given.
1819[12:44:46] <Walex> MaBunny: there are several, and you can do web searches or searches through packages.debian.org
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1821[12:45:28] <MaBunny> themill: srry but it will take up unnescessary space in my disk and im on a 16gb pendrive
1822[12:45:46] <MaBunny> but thnx guys :)
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1826[12:46:40] <MaBunny> guys apt-cache search chmsee doesnt giv a result
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1832[12:48:55] <jelly> MaBunny: that's probably because it does not exist in the current release any more
1833[12:49:07] <MaBunny> ok
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1836[12:51:29] <bazhang> MaBunny, apt-cache search comic
1837[12:51:40] <MaBunny> yeah doing it
1838[12:51:49] <bazhang> MaBunny, thats what was given you
1839[12:51:55] <MaBunny> apt-get install
1840[12:52:00] <bazhang> no
1841[12:52:01] <MaBunny> :D
1842[12:52:10] <MaBunny> ??
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1845[12:53:15] <MaBunny> is the package name comic...or comix???
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1847[12:53:54] <bazhang> MaBunny, the apt-cache search term, looks for things related to COMICS
1848[12:54:06] <MaBunny> ok...
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1850[12:54:24] <bazhang> MaBunny, so do it exactly as I wrote it
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1856[12:57:10] <MaBunny> it gives comix as a sugg....but nothing chm related
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1859[12:57:43] <bazhang> MaBunny, and that was explained just moments ago
1860[12:57:57] <MaBunny> ok
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1862[12:58:03] <bazhang> MaBunny, its still in the scroll, a few lines up
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1864[12:58:34] <MaBunny> cbrpager???
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1866[12:59:40] <MaBunny> imma complete fool
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1888[13:06:11] <bazhang> MaBunny, a two second search 'best comic book readers for linux' would yield more results than you spent here
1889[13:06:35] <MaBunny> no...found one...xchm
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1904[13:16:10] <jelly> what does .chm have to do with comic books anyway
1905[13:16:46] <MaBunny> ok its good one...xchm
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2015[14:22:53] <TomyWork> how can i make dpkg show the output of the postinst script as it happens?
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2018[14:23:33] <TomyWork> i know there's output and i know it would help me diagnose stuff
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2057[14:38:52] <ksk> TomyWork: edit the package/postinst to echo $foo you need? dont know a "verbose" mode or somethink like that..
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2060[14:39:29] <TomyWork> ksk well there seems to be some funky buffering going on
2061[14:39:45] <TomyWork> or maybe the process invoked by the postinst really is that slow...
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2071[14:42:54] <TomyWork> yes, it was
2072[14:43:05] <TomyWork> proxy issue :)
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2086[14:49:37] <amitprakash> What should be the install prefix for applications I am compiling myself?
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2089[14:50:15] <amitprakash> I tried installing the binary and shared libraries to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib respectively, which however leads to the executable not being able to find the shared library
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2091[14:51:28] <ksk> interesting question amitprakash :) I have that Issue myself, I just added a LD_PRELOAD or sth like that to my call of that /usr/local/bin binary evrery time I call it now (Does happen rather never.)
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2095[14:52:15] <amitprakash> ksk, that is not a solution though :P more of a hack
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2104[14:54:56] <ksk> cant a solution be a series of hacks, no? You are right of course, thats why Im eager for an answer on your question :)
2105[14:54:58] <amitprakash> ksk, whats odd that /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf already specifies /usr/local/lib
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2109[14:55:34] <ksk> yep, thats as far as I got, by default / as I understand it /usr/local/lib is already included..
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2114[14:56:22] <amitprakash> ksk, and ldconfig -p even shows up the library in question
2115[14:57:02] <amitprakash> ksk, however, without LD_PRELOAD=<path_to_so> or LD_LIBRARY_PATH being exported, the binary is still unable to find the shared lib o.O
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2118[14:58:39] <Walex> amitprakash: your choice is correct. your loader should find the library.
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2121[14:59:30] <Walex> amitprakash: check 'man ldconfig' and make sure that your library has the right suffix
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2123[15:00:43] <Walex> amitprakash: also remember the difference between ".so" and ".so.V.R" suffixes.
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2125[15:00:57] <amitprakash> aye aye
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2127[15:01:18] <amitprakash> Walex, this is very odd, I specified LD_PRELOAD once, then rebooted
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2130[15:01:35] <amitprakash> Don't need to specify LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY_PATH any more
2131[15:01:52] <Walex> amitprakash: maybe 'ldconfig' happened.
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2134[15:02:09] <amitprakash> Oh yes it did
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2136[15:02:16] <amitprakash> Do I have to run that post installation of library?
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2143[15:04:33] <amitprakash> I guess i do!
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2155[15:07:32] <sivang> hi all.
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2162[15:09:38] <sivang> I've been an Ubuntu user / develoepr for a while, I'm going back to using Debian this days (+KDE). Where would be the web page to read about changes and improvements doing devops server and desktop user on Ubuntu to Deiban? (one notable change that was hard to miss was systemd for instance)
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2164[15:09:43] <sivang> ?
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2172[15:12:24] <R1ck> I get the message "Failed to start ntp.service: Transaction is destructive." when doing an apt-get install ntp - does anybody know what that means and why this makes the install fail?
2173[15:12:54] <jmcnaught> sivang: You're maybe looking for the release notes? replaced-url
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2178[15:16:46] <FinalX> R1ck: I see these kinds of things with systemd: replaced-url
2179[15:16:59] <FinalX> The error comes from systemd, not ntp
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2183[15:19:14] <jjulian> Walex: just wanted to thank you for your time, even if i haven't found the issue, i feel less stupid :P i gave up as iptables won't help me at all. i was some layers to high to block that traffic
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2188[15:21:54] <R1ck> FinalX: yeah, found that thread too
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2256[15:52:26] <sivang> jmcnaught: also for stuff that has changed over the course of years that affect management and customization of the system.
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2264[15:55:09] <frostie> in the package updater, among the packages that will be updated it says "bpo8+1" after the upgrade what does that mean?
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2270[15:56:42] <sivang> jmcnaught: been using Ubuntu for a long while now..
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2272[15:56:49] <jmcnaught> sivang: the release notes have the highlights. you could also read the changelogs and news files for individual packages.
2273[15:57:09] <jmcnaught> sivang: you'll probably want to read the release notes for a few releases then
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2276[15:58:13] <sivang> jmcnaught: Yes, I see they are quite exhaustive and contain useful links to further elaboration about the changes.
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2278[15:58:35] <hever> Hello logrotate says it's copying my logfile but it doesn't copy the file... what could happened?
2279[15:58:43] <sivang> jmcnaught: for example, I also noticed installing in EC2 cloud that the default user there is 'admin' vs. 'ubuntu' in ubuntu.
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2283[15:59:09] <sivang> jmcnaught: thanks.
2284[15:59:11] <jmcnaught> sivang: that sounds more like an amazon customization
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2287[16:00:14] <frostie> linux image base package, linux-base-4.0 bpo8+1? the kernel in debian is what i understand 3.16 or have yall upgraded the kernel?
2288[16:00:34] <sivang> jmcnaught: ah, makes sense, no other use of it outside the cloudinit config as it seems.
2289[16:03:11] <FinalX> hever: perhaps it's not running as root, but as a mortal user, and the user doesn't have access to the directory? filesystem full?
2290[16:04:19] <TomTomTosch> frostie: the bpo8+1 just means the package is from jessie-backports
2291[16:04:21] <zykotick9> frostie: bpo is Backports... you have installed the newer kernel from there
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2293[16:05:04] <frostie> is it ok to upgrade from backports when it wants to update? if updates is there
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2295[16:05:43] <TomTomTosch> frostie: i don't understand your question. it's okay to install packages from backports if you need to.
2296[16:05:47] <FinalX> could be bugfixes/general improvements, or just added features. usually it's worth upgrading.
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2298[16:06:18] <hever> FinalX, I'm running it via sudo and I (and logrotate itself) validated the permissions
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2300[16:06:33] <TomTomTosch> frostie: you probably shouldn't to and upgrade with -t jessie-backports though, if that's what you meant.
2301[16:06:52] <frostie> i did read an article on the debian wiki about dont break debian that said mix old versions (that comes in debian) with new versions isnt that good
2302[16:07:00] <somiaj> frostie: I wouldn't, jessie-backport packages are not tested as well as the debian main packages, don't get as good of security support. So I wouldn't just 'upgrade to jessie-backports version'. Only install the packages you know you need from backports.
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2304[16:07:28] <somiaj> frostie: jessie-backports is designed to work with jessie, so it is okay to install packages from there. But I wouldn't just upgrade all packages to jessie-backport versions.
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2307[16:08:26] <frostie> is there a way to disable the backport repo so it wont upgrade with the system
2308[16:08:29] <frostie> ?
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2312[16:09:07] <somiaj> frostie: by default jessie-backports is pinned lower than jessie, so packages will not upgrade to the jessie-backports version on their own.
2313[16:09:28] <somiaj> frostie: once you install a package from jessie-backports, apt will keep it at the newest version in jessie-backports though. You don't have to do anything for this.
2314[16:10:02] <somiaj> frostie: i.e. apt-get upgrade won't pull things in from jessie-backports unless you have already told it to for certain package(s)
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2323[16:15:22] <hathor008> I have a folder with a bunch of files in it and a shell script that launches the application, does anyone have an example of how to build this into a .deb? My tarball is here: replaced-url
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2326[16:15:48] <WormFood> hhhmmm...I was wondering how well a raid1, with one of the "drives" being a ramdisk would work. Have any of you guys ever tried that before?
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2328[16:16:01] <JZA> hi I want to harden my apache security on debian, I am running my site as root on /var/replaced-url
2329[16:16:06] <WormFood> hathor008, there are instructions on the web, for creating your own .deb packages.
2330[16:16:08] <JZA> without breaking my site.
2331[16:16:36] <WormFood> JZA, what distro?
2332[16:16:43] <JZA> this is how I currently is my site: replaced-url
2333[16:16:45] <hathor008> yeah i'm googling for examples just haven't found what i'm looking for yet
2334[16:17:04] <JZA> Debian 7.10
2335[16:17:15] <JZA> Apache 2.22
2336[16:17:17] <WormFood> so, you changed the default web user, to root?
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2339[16:17:34] <JZA> well the default is root.
2340[16:17:40] <JZA> I want to change it to something else
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2343[16:17:45] <WormFood> That is why I asked what distro you're using.
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2345[16:17:50] <han-solo> he said, debian
2346[16:17:52] <JZA> Debian 7.10
2347[16:17:53] <gox39> hi people, I have the following board replaced-url
2348[16:17:55] <WormFood> The default is not root
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2350[16:18:00] <JZA> umm..
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2352[16:18:15] <WormFood> And, why would you want to change it to nobody? It seems you don't truly understand security.
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2354[16:18:35] <JZA> WormFood: so what are you saying is that is ok to be root?
2355[16:18:53] <WormFood> You're not running it as root. Did you even investigate the configuration files?
2356[16:19:04] <WormFood> You should be running as replaced-url
2357[16:19:06] <JZA> yes, I couldnt find a user tag
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2359[16:19:18] <JZA> well some are replaced-url
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2361[16:19:42] <themill> files ≠ web server
2362[16:19:43] <WormFood> What it should be? That depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
2363[16:20:02] <JZA> WormFood: which is the default user?
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2365[16:20:28] <themill> !replaced-url
2366[16:20:28] <dpkg> In Debian, web servers normally run as the "replaced-url
2367[16:20:29] <WormFood> I make root own a majority of the files in my websites, with permissions where nobody can change them. I have some directories setup to be owned by replaced-url
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2370[16:21:29] <WormFood> And yes, you start Apache as root, so you can bind to port 80, and anything else it needs to do as root, but it switches users as soon as it can, and becomes a regular user at that point.
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2372[16:22:04] <JZA> "For historical reasons, the Apache runs as a user named replaced-url
2373[16:22:09] <JZA> find /var/replaced-url
2374[16:22:40] <WormFood> JZA, are you following some tutorial somewhere on the web?
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2377[16:22:54] <JZA> thisis from the wiki.debian.org
2378[16:22:57] <JZA> replaced-url
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2380[16:23:22] <WormFood> was that in response to my question?
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2384[16:23:56] <WormFood> JZA, what made you feel, your apache user should be nobody?
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2386[16:24:14] <JZA> I never said that it should be nobody, actually I never even type the word nobody
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2389[16:24:35] <JZA> you did
2390[16:24:48] <themill> [00:16] <JZA> hi I want to harden my apache security on debian, I am running my site as root on /var/replaced-url
2391[16:24:51] <WormFood> [22:16:02] <JZA> hi I want to harden my apache security on debian, I am running my site as root on /var/replaced-url
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2396[16:25:33] <Ooze> REKT
2397[16:25:39] <JZA> so what should I assign it to
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2400[16:25:57] <romgo> Hello
2401[16:26:14] <gox39> hi people, I have the following board replaced-url
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2405[16:26:48] <romgo> I am trying to troubleshoot some apache2 segfault when user connect with ssl certificate. I follow the readme /usr/share//doc/apache2/README.backtrace but apache2 is not generating any core files.
2406[16:26:53] <romgo> any idea why ?
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2409[16:27:16] <JZA> any idea?
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2411[16:27:36] <WormFood> JZA, you never answered my last 2 questions.
2412[16:27:47] <JZA> WormFood: which are?
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2414[16:27:52] <JZA> I said the debian version
2415[16:28:00] <WormFood> 1. are you following some tutorial somewhere on the web? 2. why did you feel you needed to change your user to nobody?
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2417[16:28:07] <winterss> yea
2418[16:28:09] <winterss> im here
2419[16:28:13] <JZA> WormFood: no, and I just asked.
2420[16:28:22] <winterss> not going anywhere
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2422[16:29:06] <themill> JZA: anything other than replaced-url
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2426[16:29:42] <WormFood> it depends on the user. Running as root is extremely foolish.
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2428[16:29:46] <JZA> well I have a vhost on my ~/ which I tried to run it as my own user, but generated all type of errors from accessing the folders.
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2433[16:30:28] <JZA> WormFood: so which one should you run as? or rather what are the chances that doing a chwon -R someuser /var/replaced-url
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2435[16:30:43] <JZA> *chown
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2437[16:30:46] <WormFood> JZA, not to sound like a jerk, but you need to learn how to ask for help. You're asking questions that are totally unrelated to what you're trying to accomplish.
2438[16:31:06] <JZA> didnt you said that running as root is extremely foolish?
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2441[16:31:29] <WormFood> If you want user directories on ~, then there are predefined configurations that you just need to enable to make it work.
2442[16:31:29] <themill> but you're not
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2445[16:32:20] <JZA> WormFood: the directory is running fine, the permissions on the other side, just were able to run as root which of course I want to fix.
2446[16:32:37] <JZA> I guess, I could change it to replaced-url
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2448[16:32:43] <WormFood> cat /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf
2449[16:32:52] <WormFood> you need to learn about permissions.
2450[16:33:00] <WormFood> It seems you understand ownership
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2452[16:33:32] <WormFood> have you enabled the userdir configuration?
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2454[16:34:15] <JZA> no I am not using nor I want to use userdir
2455[16:34:29] <JZA> I just running another host
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2457[16:34:35] <JZA> and like I said, it runs fine.
2458[16:34:57] <JZA> but as long as the files were on root.
2459[16:35:05] <JZA> *own
2460[16:35:13] <WormFood> It's not clear to me what exactly you're trying to accomplish.
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2462[16:35:33] <JZA> avoid permission issues
2463[16:35:38] <WormFood> chmod -R 777 /path/to/web/dir/public_html
2464[16:35:44] <abrotman> eh, what no
2465[16:35:48] <abrotman> don't do that
2466[16:35:51] <sypher> JZA: You're not really understanding things. The process runs as replaced-url
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2468[16:36:04] <sypher> WormFood: That was sarcasm. I hope.
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2474[16:36:23] <FinalX> while you're at it, do a chown -R nobody /.
2475[16:36:41] <FinalX> (no, really, don't do that... :P)
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2477[16:37:18] <gox39> hi people, I have the following board replaced-url
2478[16:37:46] <FinalX> he's gone now, but a much safer one I like is this btw: chmod -R u=rwX,go=rX /path/to/public_html
2479[16:37:55] <abrotman> gox39: which version of Debian did you install?
2480[16:38:07] <gox39> the current stable one
2481[16:38:58] <abrotman> gox39: You booted the i386 installer, which probably uses the -486 kernel. I wonder if the installer then installed the -686 ?
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2483[16:39:20] <romgo> I am trying to troubleshoot some apache2 segfault when user connect with ssl certificate. I follow the readme /usr/share//doc/apache2/README.backtrace but apache2 is not generating any core files.
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2486[16:39:32] <abrotman> gox39: you can probably tell from the grub prompt
2487[16:39:43] <WormFood> romgo, did you install the debug version of apache?
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2489[16:40:32] <WormFood> apache2-dbg most likely is what you want
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2491[16:40:40] <JyZyXEL> does the Intel i915 graphics driver use Mesa?
2492[16:40:51] <gox39> abrotman: I installed openbsd with no problems, and it boots off with no issues? in debian it resets right after the post bios when it tries to start grub
2493[16:41:02] <abrotman> oh, you don't even see Grub?
2494[16:41:07] <abrotman> JyZyXEL: yes
2495[16:41:23] <JyZyXEL> i noticed there is a couple of years newer mesa in jessie-backports
2496[16:41:27] <gox39> abrotman: no, not even the blue boot selection menu
2497[16:42:09] <abrotman> gox39: If available, I'd try to update the BIOS to start .. Otherwise, boot the installer into a liveCD, see if you can see which version of packages it installed
2498[16:42:49] <gox39> abrotman: what is the command to run in the terminal?
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2502[16:42:56] <abrotman> run what?
2503[16:43:22] <gox39> to see which packages it installed
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2557[17:02:26] <romgo> I am trying to troubleshoot some apache2 segfault when user connect with ssl certificate. I follow the readme /usr/share//doc/apache2/README.backtrace but apache2 is not generating any core files.
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2613[17:28:45] <okee> Do I need to exclude proc and sys in a tarball used for migrating from one hard disk to another? replaced-url
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2617[17:29:50] <thurstylark> okee: it isn't needed on the target machine, and it will be automatically overwritten/mounted over on the target machine, so no you don't need to include them.
2618[17:29:58] <thurstylark> it won't hurt anything if you do, though :P
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2739[18:15:20] <tmh1999> HI, I have a question and hope some guru here could help me out :) Is there any *good* gui firewall application that can config rule (blocking, allowing...) for applications in debian. I am looking at gufw and fwbuilder, but it seems they are not as good as those like susefirewall2 or gui tool on redhat.
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2748[18:20:26] <tmh1999> gfuw can only work on port-based, not application-based
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2758[18:26:02] <rozie> tmh1999: don't know if this will help, but often shorewall is mentionded as gui for firewall
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2763[18:27:01] <rozie> and I believe you cannot make rules by application
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2765[18:27:10] <rozie> only port or user is allowed AFAIK
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2767[18:28:43] <Iridos> the apf-firewall package lists "application based network filtering policies applied"
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2769[18:29:03] <Iridos> but that needs a kernel patch?
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2771[18:29:41] <jhutchins> Is /boot on LVM supported?
2772[18:30:06] <tmh1999> rozia : this one support application based replaced-url
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2775[18:31:25] <tmh1999> first comment on this reddit post kills it ... replaced-url
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2780[18:33:32] <Iridos> jhutchins, maybe, maybe not on the other hand... does it hurt to have 1 or 2 G on a separate /boot
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2810[18:44:23] <bytecounter> Hi, I am trying to add a service to systemd. I can start the service by systemctl start but if the machine is rebootet the service don't start automaticaly. This is my service file: replaced-url
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2836[18:50:40] <Iridos> bytecounter, it requires itself?
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2838[18:51:00] <Dunams> .
2839[18:51:20] <Dunams> I'm unable to start x server after downgrading from kernel 4.5 to 3.16
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2841[18:51:24] <Iridos> and starts after itself?
2842[18:51:29] <Dunams> tried purging everything and reinstalling, nothing
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2844[18:51:57] <Dunams> when I boot i get to tty1, and when I try to startx i get an error for displays not found or something of that sort
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2848[18:53:00] <bytecounter> No, it requires docker.service. Why do you think it requires itself?
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2851[18:54:48] <Dunams> anyone ? :<
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2854[18:55:44] <jim> Dunams, do you still have the 4.5 kernel installed?
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2856[18:56:12] <jhutchins> Iridos: Documentation from 2006 says it may not be supported, ca kernel 2.6.
2857[18:56:15] <Dunams> jim, no I removed it
2858[18:56:33] <jim> how did youdo that
2859[18:56:35] <jim> ?
2860[18:56:49] <Dunams> aptitude purge *name of the package*
2861[18:56:52] <Iridos> jhutchins, mine last ones were encrypted anyway...
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2863[18:57:15] <Iridos> jhutchins, but I have lost faith that you can just put boot stuff anywhere on disk and it'll work
2864[18:57:20] <jim> ok... did it take other packages besides the linux-image package?
2865[18:57:30] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: "systemctl enable <service>" to make it start at boot
2866[18:57:31] <jhutchins> Dunams: Check for configuration files in /etc/X11/conf and conf.d
2867[18:57:47] <bytecounter> jmcnaught: I did this
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2869[18:57:58] <Dunams> jhutchins, there are no configuration files, but xserver doesn't need them to start, right?
2870[18:57:59] <teraflops> Dunams: it's about your graphics card but you didn't say which driver are you using
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2872[18:58:09] <Dunams> jim, don't think so
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2874[18:58:29] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: what does "systemctl status <service>" say?
2875[18:58:34] <Dunams> teraflops, ati radeon 280x is the gpu, i removed the drivers as well to see if there's any difference
2876[18:58:44] <Dunams> is there any IRC client for shell that has colors?
2877[18:58:53] <bytecounter> dmesg shows me an error: Cannot add dependency job for unit redis.service, ignoring: Unit redis.service failed to load: No such file or directory
2878[18:58:55] <teraflops> Dunams: irssi, weechat
2879[18:58:58] <Dunams> i's pretty hard to recgonize when someone writes me
2880[18:59:00] <blind> Dunams: irssi does
2881[18:59:06] <Dunams> sec, brb
2882[18:59:09] <Dunams> exit
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2886[18:59:35] <bytecounter> Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
2887[18:59:44] <jim> Dunams, you might want to check the logs to see what happened (guessing is likely to misinform)
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2889[19:00:15] <jim> t
2890[19:00:43] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: where did you put the service unit?
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2899[19:02:32] <bytecounter> I created it in /usr/local/serviced/. Then I did: "systemctl enable /usr/local/serviced/redis.service"
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2901[19:03:00] <teraflops> bytecounter: may I ask why did you put the file there?
2902[19:03:09] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: see "man systemd.unit" for where systemd looks for unit files. the place you want to put it is /etc/systemd/system
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2904[19:03:52] <bytecounter> Debian adds symlinks to /etc/systemd/system und /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
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2906[19:04:06] <bytecounter> Also the file is owned by root and executable
2907[19:04:10] <jim> is root@ quieted here?
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2910[19:04:23] <Dunamsi> hi again
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2912[19:04:40] <Dunamsi> much better now
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2914[19:04:55] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: service units don't need to be executable. read that man page, try putting the unit in the proper place
2915[19:05:00] <jim> Dunamsi, maybe because you were root@ before, it could be that's quieted here
2916[19:05:35] <Dunamsi> jim, oh
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2918[19:05:56] <bytecounter> I moved the file. Now waiting for reboot
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2921[19:06:32] <Dunamsi> jim, I removed the ati drivers, removed xorg, xserver, reinstalled xorg and xserver, no configurations
2922[19:06:37] <Dunamsi> xserver doesn't start
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2926[19:07:29] <jhutchins> Iridos: Grub2 can boot from LVM, Grub Legacy can not. Don't know about LILO
2927[19:08:11] <Dunamsi> could it be some kernel configurations? because before i upgraded to 4.5 i had xserver working fine on 3.16
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2929[19:08:19] <Dunamsi> now after downgrading it doesn't start
2930[19:08:21] <jim> Dunamsi, lspci -nn | grep -i vga
2931[19:08:33] <jim> should be one line, just put it here
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2933[19:08:38] <teraflops> bytecounter: ati drivers?
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2936[19:08:55] <teraflops> err*^ sorry
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2939[19:09:21] <bytecounter> Now it works, thank you! But I saw, that the original debian services are in /lib/systemd/system and for them are symlinks in /etc/systemd/system
2940[19:09:33] <Dunamsi> jim, no output
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2943[19:10:07] <bytecounter> So it will be great, if I can put my custom services to a own directory and create also a symlink
2944[19:10:14] <Dunamsi> jim, sorry i typo
2945[19:10:15] <Dunamsi> sec
2946[19:10:21] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: /lib/systemd/system is where service units from packages live. sysadmin local service units belong in /etc
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2948[19:10:47] <Dunamsi> jim, radeon 7970 / r9 280x as I said
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2950[19:10:55] <teraflops> bytecounter: if you create a custom systemd unit is fine to put in in /usr/lib/systemd but if you create one that overrides an existing one /etc/systemd is the right location since it get not overwritten by a upgrade
2951[19:11:00] <Dunamsi> i can't copy past it exactly since i don't have gui so not sure exactly how to lol
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2953[19:11:07] <jim> Dunamsi, post the exact text of the line
2954[19:11:19] <teraflops> doesn't get*
2955[19:11:21] <jim> or
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2957[19:11:44] <jim> you see the thign that looks like [1234:abcd]?
2958[19:12:10] <Dunamsi> [1002:6798]
2959[19:12:11] <Dunamsi> that?
2960[19:12:15] <jim> yep
2961[19:12:23] <bytecounter> ok, perfect. I put them to /usr/lib/systemd. Thank's a lot!
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2963[19:12:36] <jim> ,pciid [1002:6798]
2964[19:12:37] <judd> [1002:6798] is 'Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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2966[19:13:02] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: i still wouldn't put them in /usr. /usr (except for /usr/local) is for files owned by packages. /etc is where local config stuff is supposed to go
2967[19:13:55] <Dunamsi> jim, so i'm missing some kernal modules?
2968[19:13:57] <jhutchins> Dunamsi: See GPM for console mouse functions.
2969[19:14:03] <bytecounter> ah....I move it back to etc ;-)
2970[19:14:05] <simonlnu> kernel
2971[19:14:13] <Dunamsi> kernel yeah
2972[19:14:39] <teraflops> bytecounter: the service unit file is ok where it is right now. don't jut move the file, if you change the location disable an re enable the service so the symlinks get generated again
2973[19:14:40] <jim> I wonder if the old radeon module doesn't support your current card
2974[19:14:52] <jmcnaught> bytecounter: if all of your local configuration is in /etc it's easier to back it up, or use etckeeper
2975[19:15:09] <jim> what was the reason you downgraded?
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2978[19:15:41] <Dunamsi> jim, openGL wouldn't function on 4.5, couldn't get desktop effects
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2981[19:15:59] <jmcnaught> jim: Dunamsi: "man radeon" shows a list of cards supported by radeon driver. If moving from fglrx to radeon, it might be necessary to remove a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists the radeon module from loading
2982[19:16:03] <Dunamsi> but before I upgraded I had effects but had some glitches that's why I tried to upgrade to 4.5
2983[19:16:40] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: Ah, good point. I had been thinking of /etc/X11 config files, especially hiding in conf.d
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2985[19:16:58] <Dunamsi> jmcnaught, which one? there are several files there
2986[19:17:00] <jim> Dunamsi, so you were originally running 3.16?
2987[19:17:06] <Dunamsi> jim, yes
2988[19:17:08] <jmcnaught> Dunamsi: look for one that mentions radeon
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2990[19:17:40] <jim> did you remove the 3.16 and then more recently install another?
2991[19:17:42] <jhutchins> Dunamsi: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg | less
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2995[19:18:51] <jim> I'm quite redundant here, you're in good hands with jhutchins
2996[19:19:33] <jim> at least now we know exactly what happened over time
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3001[19:20:58] <jim> Dunamsi, also, you can apt-get install nopaste and then you'd be able to do things like dmesg | nopaste, etc
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3005[19:22:18] <markybob> i assume he meant pnopaste
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3009[19:23:16] <Dunamsi> i removed the blacklist for radeon
3010[19:23:30] <Dunamsi> i commented out the blacklisting in the file
3011[19:23:34] <Dunamsi> should I try to reboot now?
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3013[19:24:21] <jim> well try startx to see if it comes up now
3014[19:24:56] <Dunamsi> caught signal 11 (segmentation fault)
3015[19:25:15] <jim> any idea what segfaulted?
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3017[19:25:33] <Dunamsi> actually that happens when I try to xorg -configure
3018[19:25:45] <Dunamsi> when i try to startx i still get no screens found
3019[19:26:14] <markybob> you still need to modprobe the module that was blacklisted or just reboot
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3021[19:26:23] <jim> do you have a config file somewhere (where do they go, /etc/X11?)
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3026[19:28:07] <Dunamsi> jim, no config file
3027[19:28:19] <Dunamsi> so i guess i'll give reboot a try
3028[19:28:27] <Dunamsi> brb
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3045[19:34:26] <Matumaros> Hi, I already asked over the last week or so, I need help to get my ISY M300 Mini Wireless Adapter to work
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3050[19:35:08] <Matumaros> I got a long cable, so it's temporarily connected with the repeater (but it doesn't seem to work either), I tried with 2 cables already
3051[19:35:21] <zykotick9> this isn't really a problem, but I'd be curious as to the why... i can't launch tor browser (bin dropped into a /opt subdirectory) from outside that direcotry. a success / fail / success log replaced-url
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3056[19:35:59] <jim> Matumaros, how many lines do you get when you ... lspci -nn | grep -i net
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3058[19:36:14] <Dunamsi> now it seems i can only use recovery mode
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3063[19:36:39] <Dunamsi> the screen just remains black now on startx
3064[19:36:42] <Matumaros> jim: one
3065[19:36:56] <Dunamsi> like it's getting no signal
3066[19:36:58] <jim> Matumaros, ok, show that line
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3070[19:37:37] <jmcnaught> Dunamsi: you were only able to boot into recovery mode?
3071[19:38:12] <jim> Matumaros, still there?
3072[19:38:13] <Matumaros> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Networ Connection [8086:1503] (rev 04)
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3074[19:38:24] <jim> thanks
3075[19:38:24] <Dunamsi> jmcnaught, yes, well if i boot into normal mode now instead of going into tty1, i suppose it's trying to start the x server
3076[19:38:31] <Dunamsi> but now the screen just remains black
3077[19:38:32] <jim> ,pciid [8086:1503]
3078[19:38:32] <Matumaros> jim: yeah, I just had to type it off, because I have no connection on the other computer :P
3079[19:38:33] <judd> [8086:1503] is '82579V Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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3082[19:39:01] <jim> that's a wired eth?
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3084[19:39:08] <Matumaros> yes
3085[19:39:09] <jmcnaught> Dunamsi: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on replaced-url
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3088[19:39:27] <Matumaros> jim: when I unplug the cable the same line shows though
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3095[19:39:59] <jim> Matumaros, when you do ifconfig, does it show a paragraph for eth0 (or ethN)?
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3101[19:40:26] <Matumaros> jim: eth0
3102[19:40:40] <jim> ok, so your eth0 would seem to be up
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3106[19:41:07] <jim> also, there does not seem to be a wireless
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3109[19:41:22] <Matumaros> jim: yes, that is what I wanted to configure
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3112[19:41:52] <Matumaros> jim: last time (before I installed this system) I got it to work with these commands:
3113[19:42:00] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
3114[19:42:01] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
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3118[19:43:06] <jim> what happens when you do the modprobe, and ifconfig -a? how many paragraphs do you get, and for which interfaces
3119[19:43:07] <jim> ?
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3122[19:43:39] <Matumaros> jim: hang on
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3125[19:44:14] <Matumaros> jim: without the echo stuff? I get one eth0 and one lo
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3130[19:44:41] <jim> did the modprobe output anything?
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3134[19:44:52] <Matumaros> jim: no
3135[19:45:09] <jim> ok, try the echo
3136[19:45:14] <jim> any output?
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3140[19:46:31] <Matumaros> jim: no, ifconfig -a is still the same too
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3147[19:47:35] <jim> ok, so the device is still not recognized... look at the bottom few lines of the output of dmesg... anything interesting?
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3150[19:48:09] <Matumaros> jim: the idea last time was to force the driver, so I could install a newer backport kernel, at least that's what I think
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3157[19:49:03] <Matumaros> jim: at the bottom it says "rtlwifi: Loading alternative firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
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3161[19:49:34] <Matumaros> jim: oh wait, it says more related to that
3162[19:49:51] <Matumaros> 2 times failed to load it
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3165[19:50:08] <Matumaros> "Direct firmware loadd failed with error -2"
3166[19:50:16] <jim> ok, so it did not load that alternative firmware file?
3167[19:50:36] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: replaced-url
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3171[19:51:21] <jim> which debian do you have?
3172[19:51:27] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: thanks :)
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3174[19:51:37] <Matumaros> jim: the newest Jessie Stable
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3176[19:51:53] <Matumaros> 64 bit, I think
3177[19:52:29] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: well, that doesn't work because I have no internet on that machine :/
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3179[19:52:38] <jim> ok, that page shows the firmware package... let's install it with apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-realtek
3180[19:53:08] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: you'll need to download the package from this page and copy it over on a USB stick: replaced-url
3181[19:53:17] <jim> ,v firmware-realtek
3182[19:53:18] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1
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3184[19:54:12] <jim> ,depends firmware-realtek
3185[19:54:13] <judd> Package firmware-realtek in jessie/amd64 -- depends: .
3186[19:54:37] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: ah, could it be that the Jessie Stetch version already had it? Because on that version I was able to do it without downloading
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3189[19:55:28] <markybob> what's that?
3190[19:55:50] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: where is the download link there?
3191[19:55:51] <jim> also, which device do you have?
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3196[19:56:18] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: scroll down
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3198[19:56:43] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: where it says "sug", that link?
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3200[19:56:59] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: nevermind
3201[19:57:03] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: ctrl+f "download"
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3204[19:57:58] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: I was staring at code all day, you can't expect me to find such things :P
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3207[19:58:09] <Matumaros> So I'll install it and report back to you guys?
3208[19:58:12] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: stretch wouldn't include this package either. there are unofficial installer images for jessie that do include firmware packages however. there's also a chapter for how to handle missing firmwares during installation in the install manual
3209[19:58:38] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: good luck :) after a reboot you can run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to see if it loaded or not
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3213[19:59:16] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: but how did I manage to make it work with stretch then?
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3221[20:00:35] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: i don't know what you did then
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3224[20:01:30] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: alright, I'm installing it with package manager
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3235[20:02:46] <Matumaros> also, any idea as to why it didn't work over cable?
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3238[20:03:12] <jim> how many devices is this?
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3246[20:04:14] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: the dmesg didn't give me anything
3247[20:04:25] <Matumaros> jim: what do you mean?
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3253[20:05:43] <jim> Matumaros, how many net interface cards do you have? one, that does wired and wireless?
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3255[20:06:06] <Matumaros> jim: I only have one for wireless, wireless is over the stick
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3257[20:06:15] <Matumaros> *one for wired
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3259[20:06:32] <jim> ok, how do you mean stick
3260[20:06:51] <Matumaros> wifi usb-stick
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3263[20:07:15] <jim> oh, no wonder it didn't show up in lspci
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3265[20:07:26] <Matumaros> jim: :D I'm sorry
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3269[20:07:37] <Matumaros> I'm not very good with the hardware specific stuff
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3271[20:08:00] <jim> well you must be learning it right now
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3273[20:08:10] <mundus2018> Can someone help me out with piping audio output to another application by making the output a mic
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3278[20:08:49] <Matumaros> jim: yes, well, I had an apprenticeship for 3 years, but it didn't interest me at that time as much as it does now
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3285[20:09:52] <jim> ok... how many machines do you have? how and on what machine are you ircing here now?
3286[20:09:53] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I need to make the kernel use COM1 as its primary display. I have a line I used to add to /etc/inittab but where do I do the same on systemb?
3287[20:09:56] <Pegasus_RPG> systemd
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3292[20:11:08] <Matumaros> jim: I'm writing from my Laptop (also Debian Jessie, but I have it for about a year now) and then I have my main tower PC on which I try to install Debian Jessie
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3296[20:12:08] <jim> so, you have a laptop... and, what?
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3298[20:12:22] <jim> what's the machine you're having trouble with now?
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3301[20:13:00] <jim> your main tower pc?
3302[20:13:04] <Matumaros> jim: it's an Acer, um.. can't remember the model now
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3307[20:13:40] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: i put "console=ttyS0" in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub. Also take a look at replaced-url
3308[20:13:57] <mundus2018> How do I change the FLASH_ALSA_DEVICE environment variable
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3311[20:14:28] <jak2000> jmcnaught accept a pm, need a advice(off topic).
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3314[20:14:38] <jim> I don't need the specific details now... I just need a way to converse about them... so you have a laptop (debian jessie, net is working) and a tower (for which the usb wireless adapter is presently not working, and for which you have a wired eth)?
3315[20:14:39] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: cool, thankk you. I also just found replaced-url
3316[20:14:51] <Matumaros> jim: Acer Aspire G3620 Desktop-PC (Intel Core i7 3770, 3,4GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 16GB SSD, NVIDIA GTX 660, DVD, Win 8)
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3318[20:15:17] <Matumaros> jim: yes, but neither the adapter nor the wired eth is working
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3321[20:15:35] <Matumaros> jim: the wired was just temporary so I could set up the adapter
3322[20:15:47] <jim> ok, can we refer to them as "the tower" and "the laptop"?
3323[20:15:57] <Matumaros> jim: sure
3324[20:16:02] <jmcnaught> jak2000: is it a support question just not Debian related?
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3326[20:16:34] <jim> ok, good... is there a way to transfer files between the two machines that does not involve networking?
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3329[20:17:24] <Matumaros> jim: I just did download the firmware on my laptop from here replaced-url
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3332[20:18:01] <markybob> did you not reboot?
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3334[20:18:08] <jim> ok, did that have any effect over the ifconfig -a output on the tower?
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3338[20:19:07] <Matumaros> jim: nope
3339[20:19:12] <Matumaros> markybob: I did reboot
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3344[20:19:38] <jim> ok, did you see anything different in dmesg about the firmware loading?
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3353[20:20:48] <Matumaros> jim: there doesn't seem to be anything related to that
3354[20:20:55] <jim> ok
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3356[20:21:18] <Matumaros> should I retry the commands I tried earlier?
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3358[20:21:57] <fennesz> Hello ! I would like to create a local ntp server . Can anyone help me with ntp.conf ?
3359[20:22:23] <jim> ok, on the laptop, can you... wget ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/PRODUCTS/DWA-130/REVC/DWA-130_REVC_DRIVERS_0.06_LINUX.ZIP
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3362[20:22:36] * awwal Wonders what happens with adobe flash plugin... It's outdated since 2/3 weeks now and iceweasel starts complaining...
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3364[20:23:05] <Matumaros> jim: yes, I downloaded it
3365[20:23:09] <jim> and note which dir you're in, so you can see the DWA...LINUX.ZIP file
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3367[20:23:24] <Matumaros> jim: oh, I just clicked on it
3368[20:23:39] <jim> can you move that file to the tower
3369[20:23:45] <Matumaros> ok
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3373[20:24:51] <jmcnaught> awwal: you might need to run update-flashplugin-nonfree (see its man page for options)
3374[20:24:51] <jim> ,depends unzip
3375[20:24:52] <judd> Package unzip in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.14).
3376[20:25:34] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: jim: wait what's happening now? The firmware-realtek package got installed, and "dmesg | grep -i firmware" doesn't report any messages about the firmware loading?
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3378[20:25:52] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: yes
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3381[20:26:26] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: and there's no new device listed by "ip a" or "ifconfig"?
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3383[20:26:43] <jim> jmcnaught: yeah, so I'm having him do some manual stuff as listed on the wiki'
3384[20:26:47] <awwal> jmcnaught, have did tha several times since 2/3 weeks now but wont update the pkg...Thats why I eonder if the folks of people.debian.net are abandoning the maintenance...
3385[20:27:01] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: no :(
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3388[20:27:56] <jim> Matumaros: what happens if you run: which unzip
3389[20:27:57] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: it should at least tell you that the firmware file was not found, the output won't be empty
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3393[20:29:13] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: both list eth0 and lo
3394[20:29:20] <Matumaros> jim: on my tower?
3395[20:29:28] <jim> yes
3396[20:29:35] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: and the dmesg command doesn't even show an error?
3397[20:29:39] <Matumaros> jim: /usr/bin/unzip
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3399[20:29:54] <jim> great, so unzip is installed
3400[20:30:03] <jim> brb
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3402[20:30:37] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: only "FAT-fs (sdc2): unable to read boot sector to mark fs as dirty"
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3404[20:30:58] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: but nothing related to the adapter
3405[20:31:16] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: that line showed when you ran "dmesg | grep -i firmware" ? the grep part is filtering for lines including the word firmwre
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3407[20:31:49] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: no, just typing in "dmesg"
3408[20:32:02] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: what you said doesn't give me anything
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3411[20:32:39] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: can you unplug the USB wifi, plug it back in, and run it again?
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3414[20:33:13] <Matumaros> ok
3415[20:33:21] <awwal> the same output since 2/3 weeks replaced-url
3416[20:33:25] <awwal> jmcnaught, ^
3417[20:33:45] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: still nothing
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3420[20:34:18] <jmcnaught> awwal: i don't know, i don't use flash for several years now. you could look for bugs for that package
3421[20:34:22] <Matumaros> btw, I'm in sudo mode, just in case that is important
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3424[20:34:53] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: i'm skeptical that the device is connected at all at this point, if dmesg isn't showing any messages about firmware
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3427[20:35:08] <jim> ok, did you transfer that .ZIP file to the tower?
3428[20:35:09] <awwal> jmcnaught, I know you dont use it :) I dont use it often also, just when really needed in my VM :P
3429[20:35:30] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: do you think it has to do with USB3.0 vs 2?
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3432[20:36:02] <mtn> awwal: use chromium and pepper flash, that way you get an uptodate version of flash
3433[20:36:05] <Matumaros> jim: yes, now
3434[20:36:22] <jmcnaught> jim: for what it's worth, firmware-realtek does have a rtl8192cufw.bin file, and dmesg output should have an error about a missing firmware
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3439[20:36:54] <jmcnaught> jim: so i don't think using a third party firmware zip file is the right step at this point.. need to figure out why dmesg doesn't report anything about firmware loading
3440[20:37:00] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: I didn't run the two lines I posted earlier with the echo after the restart, should I do that?
3441[20:37:01] <jim> jmcnaught, so the wiki instructions about the zip file are outdated?
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3445[20:37:27] <awwal> mtn, i386 system here. pepper no longer available :(
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3447[20:38:19] <jmcnaught> jim: that's about a different model
3448[20:38:28] <mtn> awwal: firefox/iceweasel flash is very outdated and will never be updated. it is no longer supported by adobe
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3450[20:38:48] <jim> oh, ok, so it doesn;t even apply to this case?
3451[20:39:02] <jmcnaught> jim: "RTL8192U-based devices only: firmware is required to be manually supplied..." but as far as Matumaros has told us they have an rtl8192cu
3452[20:39:38] <jmcnaught> i think it's worth trying if we still get firmware not found errors in dmesg, but at this point there's nothing about firmwares in dmesg
3453[20:39:45] <awwal> mtn, I know yeah. I was using chromium+pepper but pepper is no longer available for i386 arch. but thats ok, I can live without flash :)
3454[20:39:55] <jmcnaught> there will be a message about firmware whether it succeeds loading or not
3455[20:40:17] <jim> jmcnaught, so he has a cu instead of a u (the latter is what, newer?)
3456[20:40:26] <hexnewbie> awwal: pipelight (which might be difficult to install in Debian from what I hear), allows you to use newer Windows versions of Flash using the NPAPI
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3458[20:40:35] <Iridos> awwal, you can always just update /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so yourself
3459[20:40:36] <Matumaros> jmcnaught jim: Last week I installed Debian Jessie Stretch by accident, I went on here to get help, somebody helped me with the commands I posted and after that it worked (until the restart), then they told me I should reinstall the stable version and so I did and so here we are
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3465[20:41:22] <jim> Matumaros, what does cat /etc/debian_version say?
3466[20:41:27] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" will show a message no matter what, if it succeeds or fails. Perhaps you have a typo when you try it?
3467[20:41:33] <awwal> hexnewbie, pipelight is a pkg?
3468[20:41:44] <Matumaros> jim: 8.4
3469[20:41:57] <awwal> Iridos, havent tried that option yet, no clue how :D
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3474[20:42:26] <jim> ok... does dmesg | grep -i firmware say anything?
3475[20:42:28] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: No typo
3476[20:42:37] <Matumaros> jim: no
3477[20:42:48] <jim> and you just did that right now?
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3479[20:42:53] <Matumaros> unless I'm full retard (which happens sometimes)
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3481[20:43:02] <Matumaros> jim: yes
3482[20:43:04] <hexnewbie> awwal: No, but they do have a repository with packages. Disclaimer: I have not used it, it's just the *only* way to get newer NPAPI Flash.
3483[20:43:07] <jim> ok
3484[20:43:10] <jim> hmm.
3485[20:43:19] <jim> stumpped.
3486[20:43:31] <awwal> hexnewbie, will look at it, ok :)
3487[20:43:44] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: that's pretty strange because you did get results from this command earlier
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3489[20:43:55] <hexnewbie> awwal: It also requires patched Wine, so if you use Wine, some side-effects may ensue. (Don't know if the two wines can co-exist)
3490[20:43:59] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: didn't you help me with my issue more than a week ago?
3491[20:44:20] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: but that was after I did the two commands
3492[20:44:28] <Matumaros> I think they reset or something after restart
3493[20:44:46] <jim> Matumaros, could you show the two commands again?
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3495[20:44:56] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: and you rebooted after installing firmware-realtek?
3496[20:45:03] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
3497[20:45:03] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
3498[20:45:05] <Iridos> awwal, go to replaced-url
3499[20:45:06] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: yes
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3501[20:45:27] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Yeah, I believe so.
3502[20:45:43] <jim> Matumaros, could you run lsmod | grep rtl
3503[20:45:47] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: was that you who told me about those commands?
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3505[20:45:55] <awwal> Iridos, sounds correct yes. will try that in my VM
3506[20:45:59] <jim> how many lines?
3507[20:46:12] <Matumaros> jim: nothing
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3509[20:46:24] <Matumaros> jim: the first is a small L, right?
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3511[20:46:51] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: The new_id for adding PCI ids, yeah. The rest I cannot recall.
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3515[20:46:58] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: when you run just "dmesg" do you get multiple pages of output?
3516[20:47:10] <hexnewbie> s/PCI/USB/
3517[20:47:19] <awwal> Hopefully in 1/2 years almost all major multimedia websites will switch to html5...
3518[20:47:30] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: yeah, a lot
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3520[20:47:50] <jim> ok, yes... can you run modprobe rtl8192cu, does it output anything?
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3523[20:48:18] <Matumaros> jim: nope :/
3524[20:48:18] <awwal> I almost use need that f***flash for watch live news channels
3525[20:48:35] <jim> Matumaros, could you run lsmod | grep rtl (again)
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3528[20:48:47] <Matumaros> jim: ahhh :)
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3530[20:49:08] <jim> ok, so the module was loaded... and lsmod shows it?
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3532[20:49:14] <Matumaros> jim: usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8192cu
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3534[20:49:34] <jim> where did that come from?
3535[20:49:46] <Matumaros> jim: just did what you said
3536[20:49:52] <Matumaros> nothing else
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3538[20:50:17] <jim> ok, now could you run dmesg | grep firmware (again)
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3540[20:50:48] <Matumaros> jim: nothing
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3542[20:51:36] <jim> hmm.
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3544[20:52:21] <jim> could you run dmesg by itself, and look at the last few lines...
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3547[20:52:36] <Matumaros> jim: I just did that echo thing and now dmesg grep firmware outputs two things
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3549[20:52:59] <jim> oh good... could you show those two lines?
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3552[20:53:24] <Matumaros> jim: rtl8192cu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_TMSC.bin
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3554[20:53:40] <jim> ok...
3555[20:53:48] <jim> and the other?
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3558[20:53:56] <Matumaros> jim: usb 1-1.2: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_TMSC.bin
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3560[20:54:13] <jim> ok, now try ifconfig -a
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3566[20:54:24] <Matumaros> jim: wifi shows now
3567[20:54:32] <jim> wow...
3568[20:54:39] <Matumaros> jim: wlan0 shows :)
3569[20:54:40] <jim> that took awhile :)
3570[20:54:50] <Matumaros> jim: yeah :D
3571[20:54:57] <Matumaros> but doesn't it reset on restart?
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3573[20:55:05] <jim> can you try... ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan
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3579[20:55:39] <Matumaros> iwlist command not found
3580[20:55:44] <jim> the question would be: do you see your neighbors?
3581[20:55:49] <jim> so no
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3584[20:56:28] <jim> ifconfig wlan0 down
3585[20:56:28] <Matumaros> I just ran ifconfig wlan0 up on it's own, was that right?
3586[20:56:52] <jim> yeah, and we should down it for the moment
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3589[20:57:16] <jim> ,find iwlist
3590[20:57:17] <Matumaros> what did I do with that?
3591[20:57:19] <judd> Search for iwlist in jessie/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/iwlist
3592[20:57:44] <Pr0metheus> does anyone know if the gnome integrated google drive account that shows in file manager gets synced to a local folder?
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3594[20:57:46] <jim> ,depends wireless-tools
3595[20:57:47] <judd> Package wireless-tools in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1).
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3598[20:58:36] <Matumaros> jim: depends command not found
3599[20:58:42] <Matumaros> judd: should I execute it like that?
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3602[20:59:00] <jim> can you do... dpkg -s libiw30 | grep -i version
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3605[20:59:26] <jim> you should get 1 or 0 lines
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3610[21:00:13] <Matumaros> jim: I get 3. because it says that libiw30 is not installed and no information is available
3611[21:00:26] <jim> oh ok
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3614[21:00:42] <jim> checking something...
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3616[21:00:48] <jim> ,depends libiw30
3617[21:00:49] <judd> Package libiw30 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7),multiarch-support.
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3619[21:01:37] <jim> can you run... dpkg -s multiarch-support | grep -i version
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3624[21:02:21] <Matumaros> jim: 2.19-18+deb8u4
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3626[21:02:41] <jim> ok, good, you have all the depends for the earlier lib package
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3635[21:04:04] <jim> Matumaros, so you know, the stuff I'm saying with "," at the beginning, is me talking to a bot :)
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3640[21:04:41] <Matumaros> jim: I figured by now, but I was confused at the beginnning :D
3641[21:05:01] <jim> I'm going to find a couple of files you should download to your laptop, it'll take a bit...
3642[21:05:12] <Matumaros> jim: ok
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3644[21:06:01] <jim> while I'm doing that... could someone help him automate the modprobe and the echo please :)
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3646[21:07:20] <jim> ,v libiw30
3647[21:07:21] <judd> Package: libiw30 on amd64 -- squeeze: 30~pre9-5; wheezy: 30~pre9-8; jessie: 30~pre9-8; stretch: 30~pre9-11; sid: 30~pre9-11
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3654[21:09:45] <jim> ,v wireless-tools
3655[21:09:46] <judd> Package: wireless-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 30~pre9-5; wheezy: 30~pre9-8; jessie: 30~pre9-8; stretch: 30~pre9-11; sid: 30~pre9-11
3656[21:10:05] <jim> oh it's the same version string/
3657[21:10:14] <Matumaros> jim: I think last time this was just intended to get internet temporarily, so I could get a newer kernel backport, which (apparently) made the other two commands unnecessary
3658[21:10:14] <jim> oh all of them
3659[21:10:33] <jim> ok
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3661[21:10:46] <jim> let me find those pkgs...
3662[21:11:02] <Matumaros> jim: thanks :)
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3666[21:12:32] <jim> what do you get for "arch"?
3667[21:13:04] <Matumaros> x86_64
3668[21:13:09] <jim> ok
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3670[21:14:07] <jim> where are you located? try to get you a close mirror
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3672[21:14:24] <Matumaros> Austria probably
3673[21:14:38] <jim> so... europe?
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3677[21:14:52] <Matumaros> yes
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3681[21:15:42] <jim> alright, for one of the packages, wget replaced-url
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3685[21:17:12] <jim> and the other, wget replaced-url
3686[21:17:12] <Matumaros> jim: done
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3691[21:18:35] <jim> got em both?
3692[21:19:14] <Matumaros> yes
3693[21:19:43] <jim> ok good... so now you have those two .deb files... transfer them to the tower...
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3695[21:20:11] <jim> (maybe you need wpa-supplicant,,, cross that bridge later)
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3698[21:20:56] <Matumaros> jim: ok, now what?
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3700[21:21:24] <jim> are they in a dir by themselves on the tower?
3701[21:21:48] <Matumaros> yes
3702[21:22:03] <jim> ok, as root, dpkg -i *.deb
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3704[21:22:39] <jim> any problems?
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3706[21:23:05] <Matumaros> jim: oh, I misunderstood, I have them in the same folder as the firmware one
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3709[21:23:35] <jim> oh ok, you should still be able to run that cmd
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3712[21:23:43] <Matumaros> jim: I did both seperately
3713[21:23:50] <Matumaros> seems to be fine
3714[21:23:52] <jim> ok, good
3715[21:24:07] <jim> now try... iwlist scan
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3717[21:24:33] <Matumaros> it list eth0, wlan0 and lo
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3720[21:24:51] <debian> hello
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3722[21:25:03] <Matumaros> on all it says "Interface doesn't support scanning" and on wlan0 it also says "Network is down"
3723[21:25:08] <jim> ok, forgot something... ifconfig wlan0 up first
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3725[21:25:40] <Matumaros> jim: under wlan0 it says a whole lot of things now
3726[21:25:57] <jim> you probably see your neighbors now
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3728[21:26:18] <Matumaros> what do you mean by "neighbors"?
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3730[21:26:30] <jim> their wireless access points
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3735[21:26:56] <jim> do you see yours in that listing?
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3737[21:27:12] <Matumaros> um, in iwlist scan under wlan0 there is Cell 01 and all kinds of information and the same but for Cell 02
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3740[21:27:34] <Matumaros> jim: ah, yeah
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3742[21:27:42] <Matumaros> ESSID
3743[21:27:52] <jim> ok,,, so the good thing is your card is workign
3744[21:27:56] <Matumaros> well, both are mine
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3746[21:28:21] <jim> are they wpa?
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3748[21:28:46] <Matumaros> I think so
3749[21:29:27] <Matumaros> oh yeah, WPA2 Version 1
3750[21:29:33] <jim> hmm... you need wpa-supplicant then... could you try: dpkg -s wpa-supplicant (maybe it's installed?)
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3753[21:29:57] <Matumaros> jim: no :(
3754[21:30:07] <jim> ok,
3755[21:30:18] <jim> ,v wpa-supplicant
3756[21:30:19] <judd> No package named 'wpa-supplicant' was found in amd64.
3757[21:30:28] <jim> hmm
3758[21:30:37] <jmcnaught> ,v wpasupplicant
3759[21:30:38] <judd> Package: wpasupplicant on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.10-2.1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.6.10-2.1+deb6u1; wheezy: 1.0-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.0-3+deb7u4; jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u3; sid: 2.3-2.3; stretch: 2.3-2.3
3760[21:30:41] <jim> thanks
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3763[21:31:19] <jim> ,depends wpasupplicant
3764[21:31:21] <judd> Package wpasupplicant in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.4), libnl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libnl-genl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libpcsclite1 (>= 1.0.0), libreadline6 (>= 6.0), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1), lsb-base, adduser.
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3766[21:32:09] <jim> ok... is libdbus-1-3 installed?
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3768[21:32:56] <teraflops> Meh In each Linux distribution wpa supplicant has a slightly different name
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3771[21:33:09] <jim> this part needs focus, to get thru it quickly
3772[21:33:10] <Matumaros> jim: how do I test that again?
3773[21:33:17] <jim> dpkg -s
3774[21:33:17] <dpkg> jim: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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3776[21:33:35] <Matumaros> jim: nope
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3780[21:34:48] <jim> check each package in the depends list... brb
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3782[21:35:12] <Matumaros> jim: ok, thanks :)
3783[21:35:50] <Matumaros> btw, on this laptop I occasionally have my background pop through on a small strip at the bottom when I go in fullscreen anywhere, does anybody know a fix to that?
3784[21:36:11] <Matumaros> I'm on gnome
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3787[21:37:03] <jim> one thing at a time :) that's not going to interfere with you too much, is it?
3788[21:37:25] <Matumaros> no, just wondering while I'm on here :P
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3791[21:38:03] <jim> are any of those already installed?
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3794[21:38:17] <jim> (libc is)
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3797[21:38:42] <Matumaros> jim: no, libc isn't
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3801[21:39:56] <jim> oh, sorry, that one is called libc6
3802[21:40:17] <Matumaros> yes
3803[21:40:23] <Matumaros> that one is
3804[21:40:33] <jim> and none of the others?
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3806[21:41:16] <Matumaros> jim: which others? did I miss something?
3807[21:41:38] <jim> on the list of dependencies for wpasupplicant
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3810[21:42:13] <jim> it's a couple screenfuls up
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3813[21:43:08] <Matumaros> oh, wpasupplicant is
3814[21:43:19] <jim> it's installed?
3815[21:43:24] <jim> great...
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3818[21:43:34] <Matumaros> yes, which others?
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3820[21:44:00] <jim> actually that's all we need... the dependencies must already be installed
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3822[21:44:16] <Matumaros> great :)
3823[21:44:52] <jim> so now... how to -use- it... do you have your essid and pw for one of the waps?
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3825[21:45:15] <Matumaros> jim: um, yeah, just a second
3826[21:45:33] <Matumaros> ok, ready
3827[21:45:38] <jim> you of course don't have to tell me any of that... you just need them handy
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3829[21:45:54] <jim> also... can we pause... I need to run a short errand
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3831[21:46:04] <Matumaros> That says a lot about me that you think I'm that stupid :D
3832[21:46:11] <Matumaros> sure, thank you so far :)
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3836[21:48:11] <jim> believe me... all kinds come here and etc... please don't take it personally
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3843[21:51:38] <Matumaros> jim: I don't, I'm very glad that you take so much time to help me :)
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3845[21:52:43] <jim> it should be ok as long as I can get what I need to do done, in the between times
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3847[21:52:54] <jim> anyway... back soon...
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3850[21:54:00] <jim> and, I'm not remembering how to use wpasupplicant to get his net up... I wonder if there;s anyone available to help Matumaros with that while I'm out and about?
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3853[21:54:39] <jhutchins> !wpasupplicant
3854[21:54:40] <dpkg> Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. replaced-url
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3856[21:55:14] <jhutchins> Matumaros: That ought to give you something to do while jim is gone.
3857[21:55:34] <jim> thanks :) as you all have seen, his hardware is up now
3858[21:55:45] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: there's also replaced-url
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3860[21:56:26] <jim> I never found out if he got x installed, if not, that will be handy
3861[21:56:43] <jhutchins> Matumaros: That display thing is a memory leak within the GUI hardware. Not much you can do, sometimes when a driver gets upgraded it helps.
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3863[21:57:08] <Matumaros> jhutchins: thanks, good to know :)
3864[21:57:15] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: thanks for the link :)
3865[21:57:37] <greycat> A memory leak... in hardware?
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3869[21:58:37] <jhutchins> greycat: Well, no, but it's something that usually happens in poor hardware and there's not much software can do.
3870[21:58:41] <Matumaros> jhutchins greycat: well, it's just a very small strip and always the same height, almost as if it would try to render a taskbar at the bottom and fails
3871[21:59:02] <jhutchins> greycat: I would guess that the buffer dimensions for console vs. GUI are inconsistent, and there's a bad pointer somewhere.
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3874[21:59:29] <cluelessperson> Question, in /etc/shadow the root entry looks like "root:!:<number>:<number>:<number>:::
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3876[21:59:49] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: and?
3877[21:59:53] <cluelessperson> how do I setup within a debian environment for the root to have no password, and not be able to log into it directly? I use sudo typically
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3879[22:00:10] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I'm using debootstrap to setup environments
3880[22:00:15] <greycat> I believe you've already done it.
3881[22:00:26] <greycat> The ! in field 2 is where the hash would normally be.
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3884[22:01:15] <cluelessperson> greycat, I'm sorry, I'm being stupid at communication, that's what it is on my other laptop tat I use normally, I'm attempting to setup similar conditions using deboostrap to create my own USB installer. :)
3885[22:01:29] <greycat> Then do that.
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3888[22:02:05] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Does debootstrap promt for a root password?
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3890[22:02:18] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, it wouldn't, would it?
3891[22:02:43] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Been a couple of years, I don't remember.
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3894[22:03:29] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I don't think it asks, but I'll check the man page. Thanks for mentioning it
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3900[22:04:46] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: As I recall, debootstrap results in a fairly minimal system.
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3904[22:05:28] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: There may be some good advice at replaced-url
3905[22:05:34] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, Which you can chroot into and then install anything else you need to. Also you can define for deboostrap what to install. :)
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3907[22:06:04] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Yeah, I've used it, but it's been a while.
3908[22:06:10] <cluelessperson> debootstrap --arch=amd64 --variant=minbase jessie chroot
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3920[22:08:36] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: would it be safe now for me to shut down the computer and continue tomorrow? or would that destroy some progress?
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3946[22:17:13] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: i think you should be fine. i'm not sure about that command you had to run to get it working, you might need to do that again when you reboot (but that can be sorted too)
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3948[22:17:49] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: alright, great, because I can't sit in this chair anymore :/
3949[22:17:56] <Matumaros> my back starts hurting
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3952[22:18:29] <Matumaros> thanks a lot for your help, and of course jim too!
3953[22:18:36] <Matumaros> see you tomorrow
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3962[22:21:27] <shann> Hi :)
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3965[22:23:02] <shann> i receive mail for my package sponsor, but i don't think next step, "Hi, can you please fix what pointed out in the bug report? when you fix/reply to them, I'll do a review and maybe upload." replaced-url
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3967[22:23:51] <usrname> Hi, I have problems with Debian installation. My keyboard doesn't work after I start the installer and I don't know how to fix it.
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3972[22:25:12] <LtL> usrname: try using tab, spacebar, arrow keys. they may work during install
3973[22:25:47] <usrname> I think they didn't but Ill double check.
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3977[22:27:04] <Matumaros> usrname: I had that issue too, the only way I was able to fix it is by changing keyboards
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3979[22:27:25] <usrname> tab, spacebar etc doesn't work either.
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3981[22:28:04] <usrname> Matumaros: ok. I guess Ill have to do that then. But it's weird that it's an issue. It works if I try to install gNewSense for example.
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3983[22:28:31] <LtL> usrname: usb keyboard?
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3985[22:28:36] <usrname> yes
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3987[22:28:54] <usrname> it's actually wireless usb mouse and keyboard.
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3990[22:29:00] <Matumaros> usrname: my keyboard didn't work in BIOS either, neither does it work in grub
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3994[22:29:34] <usrname> for me it works in the Debian boot menu, so I can use it to pick Graphical install, Install, Help etc.
3995[22:29:45] <LtL> usrname: try a ps/2 board for the time being, hopefully you have one
3996[22:30:15] <usrname> I actually don't. This is my only keyboard.
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4002[22:32:12] <LtL> usrname: i can only suggest a nonfree iso image at cdimage.debian.org i think it is, it may load a driver for it
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4004[22:32:42] <usrname> the Debian faq says to do boot: linux noapic nolapic"
4005[22:32:59] <usrname> but I tried that and it didn't work either.
4006[22:33:01] <usrname> ok.
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4010[22:33:22] <usrname> I guess Ill try that first then before buying a new keyboard.
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4015[22:35:21] <LtL> gn
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4026[22:39:40] <kris2b> salut
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4035[22:41:06] <kris2b> salut je cherche de l'aide suite a l'installation de debian8 et de zoneminder
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4037[22:41:10] <greycat> !fr
4038[22:41:10] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
4039[22:41:16] <kris2b> ok
4040[22:41:39] <Ooze> damn frenchies
4041[22:41:43] <greycat> Be nice.
4042[22:41:58] <kris2b> O_o
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4044[22:41:58] <Ooze> My grandfather saved his ass in the war
4045[22:42:00] <Ooze> ;)
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4047[22:42:02] <kris2b> @+
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4049[22:42:09] <teraflops> Ooze: dickhead
4050[22:42:46] <ryouma> the french maybe helped your ancestor in the revolutionary war
4051[22:42:59] <polyzen> #debian-offtopic
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4053[22:43:17] <ryouma> indeed, just realizec
4054[22:43:18] <ryouma> d
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4070[22:49:46] <jim> back... Matumaros: how'd that work out?
4071[22:50:35] <Matumaros> jim: I shut down the PC now, my back started hurting too much :/
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4073[22:50:41] <Matumaros> I'll continue tomorrow
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4076[22:51:12] <Matumaros> Thanks for your help though, I really appreciate the time and patience :)
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4080[22:52:52] <jim> welcome... just so I understand where we are, did you end up trying to log in?
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4115[23:06:30] <usrname> Ltl: so I tried a non-free netinstall and I have the same issues.
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4118[23:07:36] <usrname> Ltl: I don't know if I mentioned it but using gNewSense which is basically Debian without any non-free stuff, I could use my keyboard and mouse during install.
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4141[23:13:05] <zykotick9> usrname: NOTE... gnewsense is actually tracking/based off of old stable... it's not "basically Debian without any non-free stuff" <- debian doesn't "by default" come with any non-free stuff to begin with (true 9 times out of 10 anyways)
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4149[23:15:09] <usrname> zykotick9: ok, I see.
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4156[23:16:28] <TehRabbitt> hey, have an autofs question... I set up /etc/auto.samba with the shares I want to mount, and I keep getting an authentication error (username/pass are correct)
4157[23:16:32] <mazert> hello, it is possible to set a default image quality on vinagre, when connection to a computer via VNC using empathy ?
4158[23:16:39] <TehRabbitt> any ideas?
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4185[23:30:38] <kevin-leptons> hi every body. i am kevin
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4188[23:31:27] <kevin-leptons> any body is use debian8 here ?
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4190[23:31:57] <usrname> not yet =) why?
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4194[23:32:49] <kevin-leptons> =)), i am try to talk. i am just use irc :)
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4202[23:34:53] <brelod> yes im using 8
4203[23:34:55] <brelod> hy kevin
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4205[23:35:01] <brelod> whats up?
4206[23:35:30] <Guest51570> hi brelod, me too. i am use debian 8 jessie
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4229[23:42:55] <kevin-leptons> i am returned, have some problems with irc :D
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4231[23:44:38] <brelod> what irc client do u use?
4232[23:44:48] <brelod> (kevin)
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4234[23:46:00] <babilen> 23:44:37 brelod > what irc client do u use?
4235[23:46:12] <babilen> missed that, kevin-leptons
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4237[23:46:51] <kevin-leptons> oh babilen, i use weechat
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4239[23:47:50] <kevin-leptons> i try to set username/connect/join. seem ok
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4252[23:51:24] <brelod> babilen, thx
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4254[23:52:00] <brelod> kevin, sorry but i dont know that much
4255[23:52:39] <LtL> kevin-leptons: replaced-url
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4258[23:53:09] <kevin-leptons> that will be fine. now i can use weechat
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4260[23:53:32] <kevin-leptons> yep, i just read weechat quickstart, thank LtL
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4264[23:54:15] <kevin-leptons> what is time do ou often chat ?
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4267[23:55:42] <LtL> kevin-leptons: this is a debian OS support channel, chat is #debian-offtopic :)
4268[23:56:17] <kevin-leptons> okey, i switch to it now. thanks :)
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4278[23:58:43] <awwal> Any one can ls its /dev for check if radio dir is present?
4279[23:59:20] <mazert> awwal: not for me (sid)
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