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34 [00:24:17] <deego> (removing preferences allows all upgrades)
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53 [00:38:06] <dvs> deego, but you have both buster and stretch
in your sources.list
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55 [00:39:35] <deego> dvs: bremner solved my problem. i was
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64 [00:47:45] <teclo-> hello, what's again the meta-package
for KDE, the one you get by selecting KDE in tasksel ? kde-desktop ?
65 [00:49:18] <dvs> ,v kde-standard
66 [00:49:19] <judd> Package: kde-standard on amd64 -- jessie:
5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:104; sid: 5:104
67 [00:49:55] <dvs> teclo-, task-kde-desktop
68 [00:50:14] <teclo-> dvs: thanks alot
69 [00:50:21] <dvs> np
70 [00:51:10] <teclo-> but... amarok isn't in there ?
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139 [01:58:42] <brutser> hi all! i need to install a small debian
setup on an SD card, any recommendations from you experts? i know
read and especially write is not very fast to SD, i will make sure
to only install packages that are needed of course, but any
recommendations?
140 [01:59:20] <brutser> zswap or zram, any other utility that
would be good?
141 [01:59:28] <brutser> any configurations?
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144 [02:00:42] <tomreyn> anything you can do to reduce writes. no
swap at all if possible.
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147 [02:01:40] <tomreyn> maybe an overlay file system backed by a
ramdisk like on a live usb
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149 [02:02:30] <CombatVet> any checkinstall alternativees?
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152 [02:03:50] <brutser> tomreyn: basically the system will run
debian minimal with openbox and qemu/kvm on top - the filesystem
itself can be readonly? i only need writes for the viritualization,
system got enough ram (16gb+)
153 [02:04:31] <brutser> tomreyn: i have a hard time making
decisions what would be best confi
154 [02:04:33] <brutser> config*
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156 [02:05:51] <tomreyn> well, the file system can be read-only
if you have a wroitable overlay file system which is backed by ram.
but that means loosing state as you power cycle, of course.
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159 [02:06:18] <tomreyn> (unless you copy state to disk by the
end of the session)
160 [02:07:02] <brutser> tomreyn: state of the host system is not
really that important, only the virtual machines matter, host will
be updated only once a month and have no direct internet connection
161 [02:07:51] <brutser> tomreyn: i am just afraid of the sd card
slow writes, i can install just without thinking and hope it will
work of course, but i rather not :)
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163 [02:08:13] <brutser> it's all relative of course, slow
writes, it's still reasonable
164 [02:08:51] <tomreyn> why are you limited to an sd card on a
system with 16 GB RAM?
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166 [02:09:58] <brutser> tomreyn: space primarily 80% and a long
story for the other 20%
167 [02:10:54] <tomreyn> m.2's are small, ssd's
are'nt huge
168 [02:11:06] <tomreyn> that's if you meant physical
dimensions
169 [02:11:26] <brutser> tomreyn: i know, just assume that i know
alternatives and i would have not been here asking if there was an
alternative for nwo
170 [02:12:18] <brutser> m.2 is not an option, on the board is
only mini-pcie and usb, but usb's are occupied
171 [02:13:00] <brutser> and we can get next suggestions, but
i've been there already...
172 [02:13:14] <brutser> sd card is the way i have to go (for now
at least)
173 [02:13:33] <tomreyn> mini-pcie works fine for ssd modules
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175 [02:13:38] <brutser> tomreyn: are you saying that because you
really expect bad performance, or impossible performance?
176 [02:14:17] <brutser> tomreyn: board is not new, i doubt we
will be able to boot from that
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178 [02:14:39] <tomreyn> then have the boot loader on the sd card
and everything else on the module
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183 [02:17:58] <brutser> tomreyn: let me get back to my earlier
question, because you doubt it will be unworkable from an sd card?
the options i have (and this is not all in my control) are limited
and i really have had these discussion in depth already
184 [02:18:00] <tomreyn> sd cards mostly have limited write
cycles, that'd be my major concern. they are still slow for
sustained writes, too. nowadays (since they got faster) the sd write
speed is only one of the limiting factors, the other is how they are
connected.
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186 [02:18:21] <karlpinc> It really all depends on how
"much" you're going to run. With 16G there's a
whole lot that should fit in ram. So all you need to worry about is
boot time. What are you running in the VM?
187 [02:19:44] <brutser> karlpinc: there will be several web
services running, one admin panel, one vpn panel (that allow admin
to control system from outside) - i say panel, you must read vm
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189 [02:20:08] <brutser> 6-8GB is maximum usage if everything is
running full power so to say
190 [02:20:41] <karlpinc> brutser: Sounds like not much, unless
you're using some awful framework to build the services etc.
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192 [02:21:49] <karlpinc> brutser: If you're worried about
resource usage etc you could mock the whole thing up in a VM,
although by the time you're done you might just be better off
installing on the actual hardware.
193 [02:21:49] <tomreyn> idk virtualization on an sd card sounds
not ideal.
194 [02:21:50] <brutser> karlpinc: it is not much really, but i
got scared by the sd card and just like tomreyn suggested first
other options, but i really don't want to go that route here,
we be talking for hours :) just assume sd card is only option for
now
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196 [02:22:36] <brutser> tomreyn: yea, but ideal and completely
not workable are two different things of course
197 [02:22:40] <karlpinc> Then there's the "what sort
of virtualization" question. A full vm or something like lxc?
198 [02:23:08] <tomreyn> if you do it all in ram and dont need to
keep the VM's state i guess sdcard can be ok.
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200 [02:23:34] <brutser> karlpinc: that's the problem
somewhat, i need to install full qemu/kvm with virt-manager to
control the vm's, person who will use got no cmdlin knowledge
and need to be able to graphically control all
201 [02:23:37] <tomreyn> sdcard should work, just slow, and die
soon.
202 [02:23:50] <brutser> openbox is the minimal i need for
display
203 [02:24:44] <brutser> tomreyn: die soon, there will be backups
obviously, but lifespan expectancy for a daily use?
204 [02:24:48] <karlpinc> brutser: I thought all the admin was
through web pages?
205 [02:25:12] <brutser> karlpinc: for the webservices yes, for
the vm control, no, that will be local
206 [02:25:19] <tomreyn> brutser: depends on write cycles, i
don't know your workloads.
207 [02:25:43] <karlpinc> brutser: How local? Does the hardware
have a monitor plugged in?
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209 [02:26:09] <brutser> karlpinc: for vm control, yes
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212 [02:28:03] <brutser> tomreyn: yes, but i guess i can try to
limit the writes by thinking about how to set this up, zram might be
good then if using no swap? as the host os really has no reason to
write much, i should limit that where possible
213 [02:28:17] <karlpinc> brutser: Well, I'm thinking that a
GUI adds a lot of "stuff" to the package and if it
_really_ matters you can put some effort into eliminating that.
214 [02:28:35] <karlpinc> brutser: You can talk about this
forever but you won't know your real problems until you do it.
215 [02:29:13] <brutser> karlpinc: that's true, i guess i
can setup some read/write scripts and monitor a full load for some
weeks etc
216 [02:29:21] <karlpinc> brutser: Look at how many writes you
can support and how many are required and then deal with the problem
if it exists.
217 [02:29:36] <brutser> karlpinc: yes that makes sense
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220 [02:31:10] <brutser> karlpinc, tomreyn: thanks for the
suggestions
221 [02:31:11] <karlpinc> brutser: You may find you're not
writing to the sd card at all. Or only writing when the vm admin is
running. If that only happens every 6 months, or every other day,
and only causes X number of writes, then you've got something
to address -- or not.
222 [02:31:30] <brutser> yes
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231 [02:33:57] <Hackarp> To whoever it is concerned, I am a
sophomore CSE student from IIT Kanpur willing to work under debian.
I am a newbie to programming and looking for some newcomer friendly
bugs/ relevant document. Any kind of help would be appreciated
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237 [02:36:00] <karlpinc> Hackarp: I'm sure the bug tracking
system is full of bugs that could use patches. Let's see if
there's some offical documentation on helping out....
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242 [02:37:15] <karlpinc> Hackarp:
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267 [02:57:14] <hanasaki> how do you specify that only package-A
be taken from testing or sid and the rest stay always come from
stable? yes, I know that may cause some dependancy issues
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283 [03:09:29] <tomreyn> hanasaki: apt pinning. which is not
always easy to get right, or easy to debug.
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287 [03:19:14] <nezZario> Okay
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303 [03:31:42] <hl521> Hi, I'm having a small issue
transferring a file between my debian server and my gentoo desktop.
Could it be a ssh version mismatch?
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307 [03:33:23] <aleksandrdvorkin> #samba
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309 [03:34:10] <whislock> hl521: Not likely. What is the actual
issue you're encountering?>
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311 [03:34:46] <hl521> Line 3, which is where I expect the
transfer to show the verbose progress, just shows that gargled mess
312 [03:35:23] <whislock> Does it actually transfer the file?
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316 [03:37:35] <hl521> whislock: negative, I've checked on
the test file, as well as the tarball I was trying to transfer
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318 [03:38:22] <whislock> hl521: The host looks like a Unifi
network video recorder.
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320 [03:39:29] <hl521> whislock: that's just the hostname,
it's hosting both my unifi server and unifi nvr server, but
it's a haswell based computer running debian
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322 [03:40:07] <whislock> Does it do that with any other
destination system?
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324 [03:41:02] <hl521> all of my other destination systems are
raspberry pi's on debian which shares the same mirrors, I
don't think it would have the same issue. I'll try doing
it though
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326 [03:41:32] <hl521> yeah, that worked fine sending to my
quassel core server
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328 [03:41:56] <whislock> I'm not generally a "point at
the other party" kind of guy, but the common denominator
appears to be the Gentoo box.
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330 [03:43:31] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi guys
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332 [03:44:13] <hl521> tracking, I'll continue at that irc
333 [03:45:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am trying to use samba to
mount the directory from the server on my client and i can access
the server in GUI with smb://192.168.1.8 but in terminal when i
issue sudo mount -t cifs -o username=pi //192.168.1.8/pi
/mnt/smbmount the directory is empty but it has files on the server
334 [03:45:59] <vvor> hl521: Whats the error? Did you -vvv the
ssh conaction?
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336 [03:47:32] <vvor> hl521: Do the ciphers on bouth sides agree?
337 [03:47:50] <whislock> vvor: The connection wouldn't
establish at all in that case.
338 [03:48:00] <hl521> yeah, both sides agree, and I'm able
to secure shell in just fine, the issue seems to be just with scp to
gentoo
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344 [03:50:16] <vvor> hl521: Did yoy try scp gentoo to other box?
345 [03:50:32] <vvor> with -vvv
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349 [03:51:43] <whislock> The issue doesn't appear to be
with going FROM gentoo to anything else. It's going TO gentoo.
350 [03:51:54] <whislock> Going FROM gentoo doesn't even
test the same code. scp vs sshd.
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352 [03:53:49] <hl521> vvor: yes, I actually sent the file from
my gentoo box to that computer just fine. Either that, or my old
lenovo laptop also running gentoo forgot which
353 [03:53:59] <hl521> but yes, the issue is going To gentoo
354 [03:55:35] <hl521> sec I'm getting pastebinit installed
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359 [04:02:59] <vvor> hl521: Make sure the server daos not print
any message on the connection.
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361 [04:03:40] <vvor> hl521: Message of the day or whatever...
362 [04:04:27] <vvor> That may brake the scp connection.
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364 [04:04:48] <vvor> break ^
365 [04:05:00] <hl521> ohhhhh yeah it's probably neofetch
366 [04:05:08] <hl521> in fact I'm sure of it, sec
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369 [04:06:01] <hl521> vvor: that was the fix! you da dude
370 [04:06:26] <chalcedony> my friend put a new install of buster
on his desktop, he's got a blinking cursor on a black screen.
What can he do?
371 [04:07:27] <vvor> Drink Coffee?
372 [04:07:40] <joepublic> I bet he can play tennis
373 [04:07:40] <vvor> hl521: :)
374 [04:07:42] <chalcedony> he says he I tried Super Grub
installed on a CD disk, it says that the disk failed/
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376 [04:08:01] <sponix> So, does this channel toss stones at MX
Linux users ?
377 [04:08:20] <joepublic> the disk, the installed
location's disk? or the super grub 2 disk?
378 [04:08:30] <joepublic> sure sponix, here's one -->
stone
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381 [04:10:22] <dvs> !mxlinux
382 [04:10:22] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian
stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at
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384 [04:10:41] <chalcedony> joepublic, he said: I created. i D/L
ed it , and themn installed it on CD disk
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387 [04:11:21] <chalcedony> (and yes, he's kind of good at
answering tangentially, unfortunately)
388 [04:12:55] <sponix> dvs: Yeah, I'll safely ignore that
and just hang out here anyway :P
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390 [04:14:49] <chalcedony> joepublic, he says he's got:
Boot folder, System folder, boot.cat,efi.img
391 [04:14:50] <chalcedony> mach_ker
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420 [04:41:46] <k_sze> Is there a way to run `find` and follow
symlinks, but restrict it to one file system?
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426 [04:45:49] <whislock> k_sze: You might be looking for -xdev.
'man find' for more info.
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583 [07:56:50] <Mdlpe> hi, I tried to finish my Buster
installation by installing the nvidia driver I got this :
replaced-url
584 [07:57:02] <Mdlpe> missing repos ?
585 [07:57:17] <annadane> !localized errors
586 [07:57:17] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
587 [07:57:27] <annadane> it would make this easier to follow
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590 [07:57:46] <annadane> and when you're done that,
591 [07:57:48] <annadane> !bat
592 [07:57:48] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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603 [08:02:34] <annadane> Mdlpe, add contrib to your sources.list
along with main and non-free
604 [08:02:39] <annadane> you have main and non-free, not contrib
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606 [08:03:55] <annadane> sorry, i should have noticed that
before
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611 [08:09:18] <Mdlpe> annadane: thanks
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662 [08:43:48] <no_gravity> Hello! Is having "tail -f
somefile" using resources? If no changes are happening in the
file I mean.
663 [08:44:31] <annadane> i don't know but it's
probably an infinitesimally small amount
664 [08:45:14] <no_gravity> I mean: Does it poll constantly or
does it use some event mechanism of the OS?
665 [08:45:49] <annadane> that, i don't know. i would guess
you can ps aux | grep tail to see the process
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670 [08:48:46] <bibi> hallo
671 [08:48:52] <bibi> am i online
672 [08:48:54] <annadane> or uh, start up htop and look for tail
673 [08:48:56] <annadane> bibi, tes
674 [08:48:57] <annadane> yes*
675 [08:49:12] <bibi> nice thx
676 [08:49:13] <no_gravity> Yeah, but it wouldn't tell me
much about resource usage.
677 [08:49:14] <annadane> i don't know enough about
ps's output to know whether it shows you output usage
678 [08:49:18] <no_gravity> I am putting a "tail -f"
for an error log in my docker image I use for development.
679 [08:49:21] <bibi> is not much going on here hmm
680 [08:49:23] <no_gravity> Pretty convenient to have a window
that shows errors as they occur.
681 [08:49:29] <annadane> bibi, this is a debian support channel
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685 [08:49:40] <bibi> ...
686 [08:49:43] <bibi> lol
687 [08:49:46] <bibi> i am new
688 [08:49:48] <publio> i think tail -f functionality is possible
using os signals
689 [08:49:49] <bibi> sorry
690 [08:50:19] <bibi> and all the pepol are here to ... what
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693 [08:50:43] <bibi> watch the helping chat?
694 [08:50:54] <annadane> yep
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696 [08:51:12] <annadane> maybe not actively watch; a lot of
people just leave their IRC clients run in the background
697 [08:52:03] <bibi> ok cool i will look a bit around thank youy
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701 [08:54:20] <bibi> hi me again
702 [08:54:26] <bibi> i have a qquestion
703 [08:54:36] <bibi> can you teach me how to install a backdoor
that i can open trouge a dinamic ip... is a msfvenom paylode
bind_tcp the correct thing?
704 [08:54:55] <annadane> this isn't really a "how to
hack people" channel
705 [08:55:01] <bibi> ...
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707 [08:55:06] <bibi> itsa hacking my own pc
708 [08:55:13] <Jade_NL> no_gravity: It doesn't poll
constantly (it seems). Run an _strace tail -f somefile_ to see its
behavior. Not sure what actually triggers the tail command, might be
a pipe of some sort (it needs to be triggered one way or another).
709 [08:55:27] <annadane> right, strace. i'm dumb, sorry
710 [08:55:46] <bibi> or is there someting can run and connect to
my home pc
711 [08:56:22] <annadane> bibi, are you on debian or some other
OS? if nobody answers you here (because it's late on the east
coast) try ##linux
712 [08:56:34] <bibi> ok
713 [08:56:39] <bibi> thank you
714 [08:56:51] <bibi> i"m in thailand
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720 [08:57:28] * Jade_NL takes a look at his watch and sees it is 08:57
in the am.......
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722 [08:58:03] <no_gravity> Jade_NL: Nice! No activity unless I
write to the file.
723 [08:58:08] <annadane> i normally wouldn't say
"because it's late" but like, that's a really
specific question
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725 [08:58:51] <Jade_NL> no_gravity: Yep/ You do have to wonder
though how it is triggered :-)
726 [08:59:21] <no_gravity> Jade_NL: Some event mechanism
provided by the file system I guess.
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729 [09:00:16] <no_gravity> When I try to run strace in a Docker
container, I get: test_ptrace_get_syscall_info: PTRACE_TRACEME:
Operation not permitted
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739 [09:08:00] <Jade_NL> no_gravity: no_gravity: The triggering
is done by inotify (et al) which is run by tail, which monitors file
system events and sets up file descriptors (man 7 inotify). Just so
you know.
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744 [09:09:00] <Jade_NL> no_gravity: Not an expert on dockers,
but I'm guessing they aren't run as regular user, probably
root or a specificaly created user. You need to run tail as that
user.
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746 [09:09:17] <annadane> Jade_NL, how'd you figure that?
strace?
747 [09:09:29] <Jade_NL> annadane: Yep.
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749 [09:10:21] <treeshateorcs> what would be the most correct way
to compile and install a single kernel module?
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794 [09:44:36] <karel_> I want to install openjdk on a server
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796 [09:44:47] <karel_> since it is a server and not a desktop, I
want to install openjdk-11-jre-headless
797 [09:45:02] <karel_> However, even -headless has many
dependencies that don't make any sense:
798 [09:45:04] <karel_> libasound2
799 [09:45:04] <karel_> libcups2
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801 [09:45:23] <karel_> these, in turn bring even more ourageous
dependencies of their own:
802 [09:45:25] <karel_> libavahi-client3
803 [09:45:40] <karel_> why ?
804 [09:46:14] <annadane> a start would be
--no-install-recommends
805 [09:46:22] <annadane> not sure how to properly answer you,
though
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807 [09:46:39] <karel_> annadane, I am using
--no-install-recommends
808 [09:46:56] <annadane> yep, short of asking the maintainer,
i'm not sure how to answer questions like that
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811 [09:51:13] <annadane> (which doesn't mean other people
won't be able to either)
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826 [10:02:53] <BrainWork> hi, if i wanted to just run iptables,
setting up a simple gateway device on something like this, running
debian stable, would a 32gb solid state suffice for storage:
replaced-url
827 [10:03:00] <BrainWork> or, would i find myself up against a
wall trying to do things?
828 [10:03:21] <BrainWork> ive tried and struggled to run debian
on machines with 32gb and less of storage before, but admittedly i
was running a UI on them too.
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830 [10:03:41] <BrainWork> in this case i cant imagine i'd
need more than sshd, iptables, and some kind of simple web interface
831 [10:04:22] <BrainWork> im undecided as to wether to cheap out
and go with a 32gb ssd module on it, or a 128gb. 128gb would give
tons of wiggle room if i wanted to run other stuff on it later, such
as vpn
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836 [10:07:21] <marianotnise> helo
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838 [10:07:27] <Carlos33b> p
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873 [10:32:54] <f8e3> deb9 + luks install, how do i manually
mount the / (debian--vg-root) from a livecd? i have installed
cryptsetup, now whats the command for mounting the files system of
that ssd?
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880 [10:34:17] <karlos39b> helo
881 [10:34:19] <karlos39b> all
882 [10:34:40] <karlos39b> soneone
883 [10:34:44] <karlos39b> cNhelpme
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901 [10:55:10] <darxmurf> hi all
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910 [10:58:21] <solido> hello!
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915 [11:00:25] <solido> i recently switched from xfce to debian
flashback, and enabled 'night light' mode from 19:00 to
06:00... but after suspending my laptop during that time and then
waking it up again in the middle of the day, it is stuck in
'night light' mode even though it should be off now.
disabling it doesn't do anything. any idea how to fix it? this
is with debian 10.1 and gnome 3.30.1.
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921 [11:02:23] <solido> modifying the schedule doesn't help
either, the screen is still orange.
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924 [11:03:00] <solido> s/debian flashback/gnome flashback/
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948 [11:27:40] <jomofcw> Hello !
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951 [11:29:03] <starscreamer> I'm on Debian 10 (Buster) and
I need Apache2 and MongoDB however Apache exists in libcurl4 and
Mongo libcurl3. When I install either it removes the other. Any
ideas how I can install both Apache2 and MongoDB and have them
coexist?
952 [11:29:06] <jomofcw> I've got a right access problem...
here you'll find the context :
replaced-url
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964 [11:38:05] <ratrace> jomofcw: is there an ACL in effect?
maybe the file has +i attribute on itself (check with lsattr)?
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966 [11:38:54] <ratrace> starscreamer: there is no mongodb on
buster. if you're using a third party repo, you'll have to
ask them.
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968 [11:41:35] <starscreamer> I found a site that said to use the
mongo install for Ubuntu 18.04 so gonna try that
969 [11:41:56] <ratrace> starscreamer: don't do that.
you'll just break everything
970 [11:42:03] <starscreamer> ah
971 [11:42:10] <ratrace> starscreamer: you can, however, install
an ubuntu chroot, or LXD, or some other form of container if you
want
972 [11:42:53] <starscreamer> I'll look into that
973 [11:42:56] <starscreamer> thanks
974 [11:43:24] <ratrace> starscreamer: there are also some
mongodb snaps, and snapd is available on debian if that is a poison
of your choice
975 [11:43:41] <starscreamer> do you know of any guides to do it
that way?
976 [11:44:04] <ratrace> apt install snapd && snap
install mongo30
977 [11:44:35] <ratrace> HOWEVER... check out this and decide
whether you trust whoever packaged the snap
replaced-url
978 [11:44:58] <starscreamer> I was on the site but I've
been using Mongo4
979 [11:45:09] <starscreamer> and there isn't a snapin for 4
980 [11:46:07] <ratrace> then maybe an ubuntu LXD base image +
ubuntu's mongodb would work for you
981 [11:46:19] <starscreamer> cool I'll look into that
982 [11:46:26] <starscreamer> are there overheads using LXD?
983 [11:46:42] <starscreamer> I considered docker but was
concerned about overheads as I don't normally use containers
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985 [11:46:56] <starscreamer> and I'm using Mongo as I rely
on fast DB access
986 [11:47:38] <ratrace> only in extra disk space... but wait...
looks like debian doesn't package it any more?
987 [11:47:44] <jomofcw> ratrace hello ! check it !
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989 [11:47:48] <jomofcw> *I check it
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991 [11:48:50] <ratrace> starscreamer: yeah looks like lxc only
is packaged.. well... if you're up for some nonsense, you can
use lxd snap :)
992 [11:48:56] <jomofcw> ratrace they have exactly the same attr
:/. And no ACL here.
993 [11:49:34] <ratrace> jomofcw: well then are you sure you
don't have permission to edit it? How are you trying to do
that?
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998 [11:50:44] <jomofcw> ratrace using a FTP/SFTP connection (try
both). I've got the same connection config for userA and it
works well, but for userB it reply an error "upload fail".
999 [11:51:53] <ratrace> jomofcw: that doesn't say anything.
can you actually edit the file over ssh? with nano or some other
editor? can you move, rename, delete the file?
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1001 [11:53:25] <jomofcw> ratrace I give it a try
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1003 [11:55:05] <jomofcw> OK it works using nano :/.
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1006 [11:55:16] <jomofcw> So its FTP/SFTP relative, not right
access relative.
1007 [11:55:21] <jomofcw> Thanks for the tips.
1008 [11:55:34] <humpled> write ;)
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1010 [11:55:36] <jomofcw> I may have some log about it I guess...
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1012 [11:55:50] <jomofcw> humpled haha yea xD confusing :).
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1015 [11:56:07] <humpled> english is silly
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1020 [11:57:26] <ratrace> humpled: oh poppycock, you old thing.
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1025 [11:58:47] <humpled> heheh
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1027 [11:59:19] <jomofcw> Arf I just have a "fail
upload" in log :/...
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1029 [11:59:38] <ratrace> that sucks.
1030 [11:59:54] <jomofcw> Yea I agree :/...
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1035 [12:03:54] <jomofcw> Ok, I've got a duplicate file
problem (with symlink :s
1036 [12:04:47] <snooky> moin
1037 [12:05:15] <jomofcw> My bad, it's just my symlink which
is wrong :s sorry for you time :s
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1106 [13:10:10] <gidna> Hello
1107 [13:10:23] <gidna> Where can I find the debian 10.1 with Xfce
only?
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1111 [13:12:05] <zothix> gidna,
replaced-url
1112 [13:13:00] <gidna> it should be this:
replaced-url
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1114 [13:14:50] <yokowka> can somesoul help me fix system
mistakes?
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1117 [13:17:25] <apollo13> gidna: well that link works for me
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1130 [13:37:41] <karlpinc> !tell yokowka about ask
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1135 [13:38:51] <yokowka> karlpinc,
replaced-url
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1138 [13:41:31] <karlpinc> yokowka: I don't see a question
there. And, fyi, a lot of people won't look at pastebin.com
because of ads, etc.
1139 [13:41:37] <karlpinc> !tell yokowka about paste
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1147 [13:48:31] <yokowka> karlpinc, no meter
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1149 [13:48:43] <gidna> Hello
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1151 [13:49:19] <gidna> I've installed 10.1 with xfce through
netinstall , but I can log with the desktop environment
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1153 [13:49:44] <gidna> it seems that there is no X, installed
what else should I install?
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1161 [13:52:15] <gidna> *I can't...
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1163 [13:53:59] <gidna> why isn't it installed by default??
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1167 [13:56:58] <humpled> you're logged in with your password
in a virtual terminal?
1168 [13:58:05] <gidna> yes
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1173 [14:00:05] <humpled> did you install the xfce-desktop task?
1174 [14:00:38] <gidna> humpled, I selected xfce during
installation
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1176 [14:01:41] <humpled> what does systemctl status lightdm say?
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1178 [14:02:38] <humpled> i mean, did you want a desktop manager?
is startx installed?
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1181 [14:03:51] <gidna> humpled, it says Active (running)
1182 [14:03:59] <gidna> but startx doesn't do anything...
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1185 [14:05:04] <gidna> during the installation I've
installed only what was proposed to me.. namenly xfce and basic
applications.
1186 [14:05:41] <gidna> have I to install startx manually?
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1189 [14:08:25] <gidna> humpled, ...
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1203 [14:21:53] <gidna> ok there is a bug in netinstal... it is
better to remove it
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1212 [14:31:07] <abrotman> that's vague .. but okay
1213 [14:32:35] <pingfloyd> it's not a bug
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1229 [14:46:08] <bern> hi, hoping this is the place to ask an
"apt" question. If I run "apt clean", why does
"apt upgrade" want to upgrade 209 packages and install 96
more? Is there a deeper clean than "apt clean"?
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1232 [14:47:03] <ratrace> bern: what do you think apt clean does?
1233 [14:47:39] <bern> I thought it might be like "yum
clean" in RH land
1234 [14:48:34] <ratrace> I don't know what that does
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1236 [14:49:39] <bern> that removes the yum cache (which I thought
was like apt) such that a subsequent "yum upgrade" would
re-populate it with freshly-downloaded metadata from the mirrors.
1237 [14:50:05] <bern> The reason I ask is "apt list
--upgradable" is suggesting upgrading a load of packages to
"testing" on a box I'd like to keep stable
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1239 [14:51:00] <bern> "egrep -r 'testing'
/etc/apt" has no output for me, but the state appears to be
stored somewhere
1240 [14:51:31] <bern> how can I reset the state so that "apt
list --upgradable" only lists stable upgrades?
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1252 [14:58:27] <free_speech> bern, sudo nano
/etc/apt/sources.list , and remove (or comment) any references to
testing, sudo apt update
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1255 [14:59:21] <bern> free_speech: thanks, my grep I think show
I'd done that (looking in sources.list.d too)
1256 [14:59:34] <yuriii> Hi!
1257 [14:59:36] <yuriii> What part of a *.deb package determines
whether the included service starts?
1258 [14:59:55] <yuriii> postinst doesn't seem to do it
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1260 [15:00:03] <yuriii> I'm confused!
1261 [15:00:43] <yuriii> I mean starts upon installation.
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1263 [15:01:13] <estrom> Hey, I am trying to load my own kernel
module (which I can build and load on another PC), but on this
Debian PC I get `could not insert module NAME: Invalid module
format`, and dmesg says `x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation
target, existing value is nonzero for type1, loc ADDR, val ADDR`. I
have done some googling and I can't seem to figure in out.
Secureboot is disabled as I am running legacy boot.
1264 [15:01:32] <estrom> So my question is, what does this
_really_ mean?
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1273 [15:08:01] <free_speech> and iirc, apt clean removes the
*.deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ...
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1278 [15:09:34] <bern> free_speech: yes. So where has my system
remembered stuff about "testining"? It's a bit
baffling, and my reading of man pages and google hasn't yielded
anything enlightening :-|
1279 [15:09:45] <bern> testing, sorry
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1290 [15:15:39] <bern> free_speech, ratrace: looks like the error
is in the raspbian and frr repositories, if I point the
sources.list.d files at "buster" it appears to offer me
"testing" packages :(
1291 [15:17:23] <bern> and if I point them at "stable"
it doesn't work at all
1292 [15:17:48] <free_speech> my raspberry is currently not even
in use, so I'm not able to reproduce it, due to a missing
running pi ... but let me ask this tho' : which raspbian
(stable) release are you running ?
1293 [15:18:29] <bern> I think I installed stretch and
dist-upgraded to buster
1294 [15:19:34] <bern> under stretch I built my own kernels as
nftables wasn't included in stock raspbian; I think that's
no longer a problem in buster
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1311 [15:29:11] <yuriii> Oh. I get it. It's the init file.
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1338 [15:48:32] <dob1> hi I am trying to mv a file I get: mv:
cannot stat 'test_internet.sh': Permission denied
1339 [15:49:11] <dob1> I got it, I am using sudo mv file
destination but it is in a encfs mount and I can't read it with
root I think
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1342 [15:50:23] <dob1> it was this
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1347 [15:52:41] <free_speech> why shouldn't root be able to
read files, no matter if they're in an encfs or not?
1348 [15:52:48] <free_speech> I don't really get the point of
this ...
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1350 [15:52:57] <nb-ben> hi, I'd like to mount /run as tmpfs
for my chroot environment, so that contents of it are not persisted.
What would be the correct way to mount it? Currently I am mounting
it with nosuid,nodev,size=64m,mode=0755 however some scripts break
because directories are created with 700 by default.
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1354 [15:58:17] <nb-ben> nvm, looks like this has to do with
umask, nothing to do with how I'm mounting the tmpfs
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1356 [15:59:04] <dob1> free_speech, it can't
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1358 [15:59:37] <dob1> free_speech, you have to mount the encfs
partion with allow_others option (or similar, I don't
remember). Don't ask me the detail but it's this
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1362 [16:01:42] <nb-ben> free_speech: if root was strong enough to
break the encryption then the encryption would have been obsolete,
and it would not be worth using in the first place
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1367 [16:03:18] <gidna> Hello
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1369 [16:03:41] <gidna> I've installed debian + xfce through
netinstall and I canno startxfce..
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1376 [16:06:44] <gidna> Have I to reinstall everything?
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1391 [16:11:02] <horribleprogram> Okay so a real-life example
sparked my interest in formatting storage devices, partitions, etc
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1393 [16:11:32] <horribleprogram> basically, I had a USB, I
formatted it to a specific OSX type thingy, put a movie on it, gave
it to my dad, and he plugged it into his smart TV, and couldn't
access the movie
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1395 [16:12:04] <horribleprogram> I realized it was probably a
FAT32 filesystem I needed to put on it
1396 [16:12:46] <BCMM> a full length film can easily exceed the
fat32 file size limit - hope the TV supports exfat!
1397 [16:12:55] <horribleprogram> See that was the problem
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1399 [16:13:29] <horribleprogram> when I looked at the USB through
the disk utility program on my macOS, it showed like less than a GB
of available storage
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1401 [16:13:34] <horribleprogram> it's a 64GB USB
1402 [16:13:49] <horribleprogram> so this
replaced-url
1403 [16:14:01] <horribleprogram> for learning partitions,
formatting, fdisk, all that?
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1405 [16:15:43] <horribleprogram> I just don't understand why
all these different filesystems exist.... you have data on a storage
device, and some inodes that hold meta information like where the
file is on the storage device... it seems like that's pretty
intuitive
1406 [16:16:22] <Habbie> the rude response is that it doesn't
matter why they all exist; we just gotta deal with it :>
1407 [16:16:38] <e> they're not simple in practice. and not
all of them even have inodes
1408 [16:16:48] <qman__> because no one filesystem is best for all
use cases, and we have a long history that brought us to where we
are today
1409 [16:17:32] <horribleprogram> sure, then we have partitions
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1412 [16:17:41] <horribleprogram> which make even less sense
1413 [16:17:47] <qman__> just as we don't all drive the same
model cars, or eat the same food
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1416 [16:18:29] <BCMM> horribleprogram: well, which filesystems do
you want to get rid of, basically?
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1418 [16:19:06] <gidna> pleaes
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1421 [16:19:24] <horribleprogram> BCMM: it's not that, lsblk
shows sdb, sdb is divided into sdb1 and sdb2, sdb1 is 200M, sdb2 is
59.2GB
1422 [16:19:36] <gidna> please report that netinstall of debian
10.1 is unable to install xfce correctly
1423 [16:19:50] <BCMM> horribleprogram: oh, you have a bunch of
different filesystems on your single USB device?
1424 [16:19:56] <BCMM> did the OS X disk utility do taht?
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1426 [16:20:27] <BCMM> i thought you meant "why do different
filesystem formats exist?"
1427 [16:20:28] <qman__> maybe, could also have come that way from
the manufacturer
1428 [16:20:34] <qman__> some of them do stuff like that to
include encryption software
1429 [16:20:37] <horribleprogram> BCMM: it used to be a bootable
USB that had Debian 10 on it
1430 [16:20:58] <horribleprogram> I didn't need that anymore,
I reformatted it with mkfs.vfat or some other similar command
1431 [16:20:59] <BCMM> horribleprogram: ah, right. if you just
want to use it as a normal USB device, you probably want to
repartition it
1432 [16:21:09] <horribleprogram> BCMM: yes, any good articles on
this sort of thing
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1434 [16:21:30] <BCMM> it's very likely that the TV simply
ignores everything except the first partition
1435 [16:21:49] <qman__> you will have to look up documentation
for the tool you want to use
1436 [16:21:51] <horribleprogram> BCMM: that makes sense, the most
ubiquitous would be ext4?
1437 [16:21:56] <qman__> the options number in the hundreds
1438 [16:22:14] <BCMM> horribleprogram: unfortunately no. the only
thing that's really ubiquitous is fat32
1439 [16:22:15] <qman__> a TV is unlikely to work with anything
other than fat32 or vfat
1440 [16:22:17] <qman__> or exfat
1441 [16:22:22] <horribleprogram> AHH
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1443 [16:22:30] <BCMM> horribleprogram: makes of embedded devices
like TVs won't bother to support anything that Windows
doesn't support
1444 [16:22:45] <horribleprogram> BCMM: yeah that makes sense,
market share and whatnot
1445 [16:22:56] <BCMM> horribleprogram: and the only vaguely
modern filesystems that Windows supports are proprietary
1446 [16:23:08] <BCMM> so that leaves fat32, which is ancient and
doesn't support files larger than 4GB
1447 [16:23:16] <BCMM> ^makers of
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1449 [16:23:52] <horribleprogram> so generically speaking, you
always have 2 partitions on a storage device, one is a partition
table
1450 [16:24:01] <qman__> no
1451 [16:24:15] <qman__> the partition table exists in the first
512 bytes, along with a boot record if there is one
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1453 [16:24:30] <BCMM> there's been a push recently for
supporting exfat. it's still proprietary, but people are kind
of forced to licence it because it's become the standard for
large SD cards
1454 [16:24:41] <BCMM> horribleprogram: the partition table exists
*before* the partitions
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1456 [16:24:58] <qman__> then there's GPT
1457 [16:24:59] <horribleprogram> I see
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1459 [16:25:29] <horribleprogram> again, I don't wanna harass
you guys with 1000 questions
1460 [16:25:40] <horribleprogram> What are some good resources on
this topic
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1463 [16:25:57] <BCMM> horribleprogram: note that devices with
only one filesystem on usually still have a partition table.
partition tables consisting of only one partition are not unusual
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1467 [16:26:49] <qman__> but they also don't have to, you can
create a filesystem right on the raw disk, however that won't
always work in every device (such as a TV)
1468 [16:27:20] <horribleprogram> I see
1469 [16:27:48] <horribleprogram> I wanna show you guys the fdisk
-l output for the USB
1470 [16:27:50] <qman__> the "normal" setup for
removable disks is one big partition with a fat filesystem
1471 [16:27:55] <clive-> Hi guys. I am a newbie and need some help
(probably very basic). How do I se the path to /sbin/ as I want to
run iptables from any directory? This is version duster. Thanks in
advance
1472 [16:28:01] <qman__> because pretty much everything supports
that
1473 [16:28:02] <BCMM> yeah, there have definitely been USB sticks
that come from the factory in both configurations: filesystem
directly on the entire block device (e.g. /dev/sda) and partition
table on the device and filesystem on the first and only partition
(e.g. /dev/sda1)
1474 [16:28:08] <BCMM> the latter is more widely supported
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1477 [16:28:27] <BCMM> for support from media players and so on,
best to avoid GPT too
1478 [16:28:40] <horribleprogram> pastebin.com/jFbQEiH0
1479 [16:29:22] <horribleprogram> BCMM: yeah
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1481 [16:29:38] <BCMM> horribleprogram: heh, that jump from 2 to 5
is another artefact from the distant past...
1482 [16:30:04] <Habbie> unnecessary in this case
1483 [16:30:07] <Habbie> but very common
1484 [16:30:37] <horribleprogram> interesting
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1486 [16:31:03] <BCMM> horribleprogram: you can technically only
have four partitions per disk in an MBR partition table, but
that's stupid, so every operating system from the past several
decades supports the ability to put a second level of partitions
inside your partition
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1488 [16:31:19] <horribleprogram> BCMM: called logical partitions
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1491 [16:31:27] <horribleprogram> yeah I read that somewhere :P
1492 [16:31:38] <BCMM> horribleprogram: yup
1493 [16:32:09] <BCMM> anyway, that's why there's
numbers missing. sda1 to sda4 are for primary partitions
1494 [16:32:46] <horribleprogram> ahhhh
1495 [16:33:08] <whislock> And if you're using logical
partitions, one of your primary partitions is consumed by the
logical partitions' container.
1496 [16:33:29] <BCMM> that's explained a heck of a lot
better than how i was going to explain it ^
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1498 [16:34:09] <horribleprogram> so the logical partitions can
only be as big as a single primary partition
1499 [16:34:35] <whislock> Yes, though typically the extended
partition (the container) is sized to consume the remainder of the
disk after the primary partitions.
1500 [16:35:00] <horribleprogram> makes sense
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1502 [16:35:22] <freq>
replaced-url
1503 [16:35:39] <whislock> !ops Spam.
1504 [16:35:39] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall,
bremner: whislock complains about a problem (see above)
1505 [16:35:47] <horribleprogram> freq: da hell is this
1506 [16:35:54] <whislock> horribleprogram: Spam. Ignore it.
1507 [16:36:04] <horribleprogram> too late it's downloading
1508 [16:36:08] <freq> edward snowden's recent book
1509 [16:36:15] <freq> audio
1510 [16:36:29] <whislock> freq: And not relevant to this channel.
1511 [16:36:40] <horribleprogram> freq: oh cool, ty but
that's not really #debian subjects
1512 [16:36:46] <freq> no, but it's a popular channel
1513 [16:36:50] <freq> so i'm getting the word out there
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1515 [16:37:09] <horribleprogram> freq: it's still spam
1516 [16:37:20] <horribleprogram> actually that's the perfect
definition of spam
1517 [16:37:34] <BCMM> i hope the shell provider boots him before
he gets them k-lined...
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1539 [16:56:47] <gidna> hello
1540 [16:57:15] <gidna> I've installed debian 10.1+ xfce both
via netinstall and iso but xfce won't start...
1541 [16:57:36] <dob1> how can I view on journalctf only cron
messages?
1542 [16:57:44] <dob1> (live view)
1543 [16:57:46] <dob1> -u cron?
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1546 [16:58:45] <whislock> dob1: You have the unit specifier
right. If you want to view it live and follow its output, you can
add -f.
1547 [16:58:59] <dob1> whislock, thanks I got it
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1551 [17:00:12] <dvs> gidna, check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and
search for (EE) (or you can post your Xorg.0.log for everyone to
check for you)
1552 [17:00:21] <NetTerminalGene> do you guys prefer firefox esr?
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1554 [17:01:11] <gidna> dvs, I can only use virtual consoles, I
cannot use xchat
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1556 [17:02:12] <dvs> gidna, You can install pastebinit and post
your Xorg.0.log that way.
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1558 [17:02:23] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: absolutely
1559 [17:02:41] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, why?
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1562 [17:03:42] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: having to suffer
disruptive changes only once a year in a predictable time frame is
better than having things changed around at any random time
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1565 [17:04:33] <gidna> dvs, how Does it work?
1566 [17:04:56] <dvs> !pastebinit
1567 [17:04:56] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 |
pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>,
<nopaste>.
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1570 [17:06:58] <gidna> unable to locate package
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1574 [17:07:51] <dvs> gidna, it's there:
replaced-url
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1580 [17:09:35] <gidna> Maybe the install is corrupted
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1583 [17:10:21] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, i though you were using
firefox binary from mozilla
1584 [17:10:31] <dvs> gidna, I'd ask you to post your
/etc/apt/sources.list but you probably can't do that either.
;-)
1585 [17:10:58] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: yes, but Firefox ESR from
Mozilla
1586 [17:11:15] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, why binary?
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1588 [17:11:34] <jelly> too lazy to switch back to the packaged
one
1589 [17:11:43] <NetTerminalGene> -_-
1590 [17:11:58] <jelly> there were better technical reasons a
couple years back
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1592 [17:12:21] <jelly> I have both installed and start the other
one sometimes.
1593 [17:12:48] <jelly> but supposedly mozilla's 32bit build
is slightly more optimized than debian's 32bit build
1594 [17:13:09] <jelly> and my workstations are still 32bit debian
userspace
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1596 [17:13:15] <NetTerminalGene> yeah. they are doing PGO
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1599 [17:15:14] <gidna> in /var/log/boot.log I see only OKs
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1601 [17:16:08] <gidna> dvs, How can I add the source to repo?
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1603 [17:17:01] <dvs> !buster sources.list
1604 [17:17:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
1605 [17:18:09] <gidna> ok so how to add it?
1606 [17:18:47] <dvs> gidna, by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list
as indicated above.
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1612 [17:19:53] <gidna> all 3 lines?
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1614 [17:19:58] <dvs> yes
1615 [17:20:16] <dvs> and those should be the only three lines in
the file
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1619 [17:21:05] <gidna> I have security.debian.org
1620 [17:21:50] <dvs> gidna, If that's the only line in the
sources.list then that's the problem with not being able to
install the new packages
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1622 [17:22:39] <gidna> I remove that and add the other?
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1624 [17:23:21] <dvs> gidna, Well, that is one of the lines
described above. You have to add the other two lines.
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1638 [17:29:21] <alpha-carinae> hi :)
1639 [17:30:00] <gidna> have I tolog out after it?
1640 [17:30:16] <dvs> no
1641 [17:30:40] <alpha-carinae> really wish sid has newer versions
of plasma
1642 [17:30:46] <alpha-carinae> wonder why it's stale
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1647 [17:34:17] <jelly> alpha-carinae:
replaced-url
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1649 [17:34:52] <jelly> the team web pages haven't seen much
love. Maybe they need help?
1650 [17:35:39] <alpha-carinae> yeah looks like it jelly
1651 [17:36:12] <alpha-carinae> it's painful to not be able
to use newer versions :(
1652 [17:37:03] <gidna> dvs, on /var/log/Xorg.0.log I see
"Open /dev/dri/card0: NO such file or directory"
1653 [17:37:05] <somiaj> alpha-carinae: sid questions are best
done in #debian-next, and desktops just take a long time to get into
debian (debian does a lot of work, often porting to arches the
original devs don't work with)
1654 [17:37:24] <somiaj> the more complicated the desktop (such as
kde plasma) the longer the lag between upstream and avaiablity in
debian sid
1655 [17:37:36] <gidna> EE: unable to find a valid framebuffer
device
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1657 [17:37:55] <somiaj> gidna: sounds like the kms module for
your card isn't correctly loaded. What video card do you have?
1658 [17:38:06] <alpha-carinae> oh i see, well that makes sense
1659 [17:38:33] <somiaj> alpha-carinae: note #debian-next is on
irc.oftc.net
1660 [17:38:50] <gidna> geeforce nvidia
1661 [17:38:56] <alpha-carinae> yeah i know thanks somiaj :)
1662 [17:38:58] <somiaj> gidna: which particular one?
1663 [17:39:32] <somiaj> gidna: are you trying to use the open
nouveau driver or the closed non-free blob from nvidia?
1664 [17:39:35] <gidna> somiaj, GT220
1665 [17:39:35] <dvs> gidna, oops. I can't help with those.
1666 [17:41:27] <gidna> somiaj, no I didn't
1667 [17:41:39] <somiaj> that didn't answer the question I
asked
1668 [17:42:12] <gidna> somiaj, I've just installed debian
and found myself in this mess..
1669 [17:42:35] <somiaj> well you can see if there is any issue
with the nouveau module, 'lsmod | grep -i nouveau' that
give you any output? Care to share it?
1670 [17:42:56] <dvs> you can install pastebinit now. ;-)
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1672 [17:43:08] <gidna> dvs, it doesn't work either...
1673 [17:43:30] <greycat> if you can't install pastebinit,
there's always nc termbin.com 9999, or nc paste.wooledge.org
9999
1674 [17:43:38] <dvs> gidna, did you try to run: apt install
pastebinit
1675 [17:44:07] <gidna> somiaj, none
1676 [17:44:21] <dvs> gidna, oh, you probably have to do an
"apt update" first
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1678 [17:45:11] <somiaj> hmm, wonder why the nouveau module
isn't even trying to load. Any output from 'lsmod
nouveau' then after you run that do dmesg (and read the last 10
or so lines for any errors/messages)
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1680 [17:47:35] <gidna> I don't see anything
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1685 [17:48:54] <somiaj> arg sorry
1686 [17:49:01] <somiaj> my bad, I meant, run 'modprobe
nouveau'
1687 [17:49:12] <somiaj> 'lsmod | grep nouveau' checks
if it is loaded, but I don't think it is
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1690 [17:51:20] <jelly> alpha-carinae: should you wish to
volunteer your time making it happen, #debian-kde is on OFTC as
well!
1691 [17:51:51] <gidna> no
1692 [17:52:05] <jelly> gidna: GT220 might require 304.x or 340.x
legacy version maybe?
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1694 [17:52:17] <jelly> gidna: what does "nvidia-detect"
say whne you install and run it?
1695 [17:52:37] <somiaj> in this case we are just trying to get
the nouveau drivers loaded, or info about why it doesn't load.
1696 [17:52:40] <jelly> oh, it might be also old enough to run
under nouveau
1697 [17:53:04] <jelly> never did run _stable_ in nouveau back
when I'd used that card
1698 [17:53:10] <somiaj> gidna: getting some actual output helps,
like after you run 'modprobe nouveau' share with us any
output, also share your dmesg output
1699 [17:53:26] <jelly> but that was like jessie or stretch.
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1701 [17:54:09] <somiaj> card was released in 2010, would almost
think something eariler than stretch
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1703 [17:54:37] <somiaj> but be nice to know why the nouveau
module isn't detecting/loading for that card, it should.
1704 [17:55:13] <jelly> somiaj: I used that computer 2011-2018, so
yes
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1707 [17:55:51] <gidna> isn't there a way to paste output
through terminals??
1708 [17:56:06] <greycat> gidna: yourcommand 2>&1 | nc
termbin.com 9999
1709 [17:56:07] <SerajewelKS> gidna: in X, usually shift+insert
will paste into a terminal
1710 [17:56:14] <SerajewelKS> oh, pastebin
1711 [17:56:23] * SerajewelKS crawls back under his desk
1712 [17:56:46] <alpha-carinae> jelly, wish i could contribute too
:(
1713 [17:56:47] <greycat> both guesses are valid; we'll have
to wait for gidna to clarify which one is right
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1716 [17:57:06] <gidna> termbin is a program I don't have..
1717 [17:57:17] <greycat> it's not a *program*. nc is the
program.
1718 [17:57:24] <greycat> termbin.com is a hostname
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1721 [17:58:50] <areyouloco> hi i am looking for some gui for the
systemd. i have read about systemd-manager but couldnt find it.
running buster
1722 [17:59:26] <gidna>
replaced-url
1723 [17:59:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS: um, the context is kind of
"X does not start"
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1725 [18:00:02] <greycat> well, that was... long
1726 [18:00:39] * SerajewelKS restrains his inner Michael Scott
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1729 [18:01:40] <greycat> Ah, scrolling back, somiaj did ask for
gidna's dmesg.
1730 [18:02:37] <gidna> with nc is better
1731 [18:03:06] <somiaj> hmm, termbin.com isn't working for
me so I can't see output, anyways I really have work to do,
best of luck gidna
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1733 [18:03:43] <greycat> I wonder if I should increase the limit
on mine from 32k to 64k. gidna's dmesg is just under 64k.
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1735 [18:04:28] <jelly> greycat: 640K ought to be enough for
everybody
1736 [18:05:26] <jelly> hope you have quota enabled for your
pastebin user!
1737 [18:05:47] <gidna> see also
replaced-url
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1739 [18:05:57] <greycat> Not at the operating system level. I
enforce a total limit on the database file size, just in case.
1740 [18:06:40] <greycat> that one's over 64k
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1745 [18:08:41] <jelly> my pastes go to... uh, probably mysql :-\
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1747 [18:09:10] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1750 [18:10:00] <jelly> doesn't sqlite dislike usage in
parallel by multiple clients?
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1753 [18:10:24] <greycat> if it becomes an issue, I'll
address the issue
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1755 [18:10:46] * jelly tries to find a pzt.me fork that isn't dead
1756 [18:10:47] <greycat> right now there's basically nobody
using it, except people who keep trying to use it as an HTTP proxy
or something
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1760 [18:16:27] <jelly> [ 5.401] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting
isn't supported. # suggests no real kernel-side driver was
loaded
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1766 [18:19:39] <jelly> gidna: can you pastebin the output of
"lspci -nn" ?
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1768 [18:20:24] <jelly> I can't find ANY nvidia (pci vendor
id 10de) in dmesg while kernel is enumerating pci stuff
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1771 [18:20:58] <gidna> so Is it a matter of drivers?
1772 [18:21:13] <jelly> gidna: can you pastebin the output of
"lspci -nn" ?
1773 [18:21:31] <jelly> gidna: because I can't find ANY
nvidia (pci vendor id 10de) hardware in dmesg while kernel is
enumerating pci stuff
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1776 [18:22:20] <jelly> if the card is disabled or broken enough
not to be visible on PCIe bus, it won't work in any OS
1777 [18:22:43] <gidna> yes but I have to disconnet
1778 [18:23:22] <gidna> do you need other commands?
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1784 [18:26:46] <gidna>
replaced-url
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1786 [18:29:55] <jelly> gidna: this does not look like a GT220...
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices,
Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series]
[1002:68f9]
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1788 [18:31:11] <gidna> How is it possible?? on the computer case
that's written like that..
1789 [18:31:23] <jelly> gidna: enable non-free repos, install
firmware-amd-graphics, reboot and see if that helps
1790 [18:31:26] <gidna> it is debian which is not recognizing it..
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1793 [18:31:44] <jelly> gidna: also, maybe open the case and take
a peek inside.
1794 [18:31:51] <dvs> seconded
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1797 [18:32:39] <jelly> !non-free sources
1798 [18:32:39] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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1800 [18:33:09] <jelly> I would trust lspci output more than
I'd trust a sticker on the box.
1801 [18:33:52] <jelly> good thing is that one has a better chance
of working _stable_ with the free driver, just needs firmware
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1807 [18:34:33] <gidna> so there is no package. named
firmare-and-graphics..
1808 [18:34:40] <dvs> aMd!
1809 [18:34:48] <jelly> gidna: did you read that bit about
non-free sources
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1812 [18:35:03] <greycat> you misspelled firmware and amd
1813 [18:35:11] <jelly> don't forget to apt-get update
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1815 [18:35:18] <gidna> firmware-and-graphics
1816 [18:35:23] <greycat> -amd- not -and-
1817 [18:35:23] <dvs> aMd
1818 [18:35:33] <jelly> AMD like the company, just lower case
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1820 [18:35:51] <gidna> ok.. but have I to add some repo?
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1822 [18:35:58] <jelly> !non-free sources
1823 [18:35:58] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1824 [18:36:15] <dvs> gidna, add "contrib non-free"
after main in the lines in the sources.list file
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1838 [18:43:51] <jelly> greycat: do you have a FAanswer about sudo
echo foo >> /etc/hosts (that is, how redirection is
implemented and done by shell BEFORE executing a command)?
1839 [18:43:52] <gidna> it says package has no installation
candidate
1840 [18:44:05] <greycat>
replaced-url
1841 [18:44:09] <dvs> gidna, did you "apt update" first?
1842 [18:44:10] <jelly> gidna: did you run "apt-get
update" after editing /etc/apt/sources.list ?
1843 [18:44:18] <gidna> yes sure
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1846 [18:44:52] <jelly> thanks!
1847 [18:45:09] <dvs> gidna, Then the sources.list is probably
wrong.
1848 [18:45:10] <jelly> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
1849 [18:45:12] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 --
jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free:
20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1;
buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free:
20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free:
20190717-2
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1851 [18:46:06] <jelly> gidna: weird. Maybe your sources are
incomplete. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache
policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-amd-graphics"
and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
1852 [18:46:16] <jelly> !buster sources.list
1853 [18:46:16] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
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1872 [18:52:30] * jelly wonders whether debian-installer still fails to
enable _any_ main mirror if network is unavailable during
installation
1873 [18:52:47] <dvs> That's probably the case
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1875 [18:53:03] <jelly> but then goes to enable security
unconditionally
1876 [18:53:09] <dvs> But why do that in the first place?
1877 [18:53:12] <jelly> because... reasons!
1878 [18:53:16] <dvs> Even if the network is not working?
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1880 [18:53:24] <jelly> REASONS I SAY
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1886 [18:55:18] <Butt3rfly> security tighter than a bend on an
Italian mountain road
1887 [18:55:44] <greycat> tighter than William Shatner's
girdle
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1889 [18:56:34] <dvs> tighter than the money in my wallet!
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1895 [18:56:50] <Butt3rfly> nothing is _that_ tight :p
1896 [18:56:57] <dvs> d'oh!
1897 [18:57:07] <jelly> Denny Crane!
1898 [18:57:17] <jelly> erm. Sorry, wrong channel
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1907 [19:05:16] <ts_user> Hello
1908 [19:05:30] <dvs> Oi!
1909 [19:05:34] <ts_user> Does anyone know if evolution-ews
package will be officially added to buster?
1910 [19:05:42] <ts_user> I have checked site
replaced-url
1911 [19:06:11] <dvs> ts_user, if there is a backport then why
does it have to be in buster proper?
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1913 [19:07:16] <ts_user> In order to receive bug fixes.. Am I
missing anything?
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1918 [19:09:48] <greycat> backports do not receive security
updates; you're on your own with those
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1927 [19:13:41] <ts_user> ok, that is why I was wondering if
evolution-ews would be added to buster
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1930 [19:14:31] <greycat> Buster is released. It's stable.
That means there's virtually zero chance any new programs will
be added to it.
1931 [19:15:20] <ts_user> ok, thank you greycat
1932 [19:15:55] <petn-randall> ts_user: It might at some point
show up in buster-backports, but only if there's enough
interest and someone actually does the work.
1933 [19:16:12] <dvs> petn-randall, it has already
1934 [19:17:53] <petn-randall> Ah, right. I didn't read the
backlog careful enough.
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1949 [19:27:53] <johnfg> Hi folks
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1951 [19:28:30] <johnfg> My printer is still not working, just as
of late, a couple of weeks. It's a Canon MF4150.
1952 [19:28:37] <johnfg> Here's the error: completed at
1953 [19:28:37] <johnfg> Mon 23 Sep 2019 11:26:56 AM MDT
1954 [19:28:43] <johnfg> "src = libcanon_pdlwrapper.c, line =
514, err = 0¥nError Response:ReqNo=2,
SeqNo=3,opvpErrorNo=-2"
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1956 [19:29:14] <johnfg> The printer worked with no problems,
actually for years, and just recently stopped working.
1957 [19:29:23] <johnfg> It works fine from windoze.
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1961 [19:31:12] <karlpinc> johnfg: So what changed a few weeks
ago?
1962 [19:31:42] <nb-ben> say I've established a reverse SSH
tunnel -- `ssh -R 0:localhost:22 nb-ben@someserver.com`
1963 [19:32:01] <nb-ben> how would I obtain the allocated port
then? Is there a better way than parsing the output?
1964 [19:32:06] <johnfg> karlpinc: Nothing, from me. The only
thing that I can think of, is maybe an apt update.
1965 [19:32:57] <karlpinc> nb-ben: Maybe you should tell us what
you're trying to do. You know the port because you typed the
command.
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1969 [19:33:17] <karlpinc> johnfg: Where is the error message
found?
1970 [19:33:27] <greycat> I think he's using some optional
feature where ssh allocates one arbitrarily instead of him typing
one.
1971 [19:33:27] <nb-ben> karlpinc: I would have liked to perform
something like: `ssh -R 0:localhost:22 someone@someserver.com screen
-dm ssh someone@localhost:ALLOC_PORT_HERE`
1972 [19:33:59] <nb-ben> karlpinc: which would then yield that I
can see a screen listing of an SSH session to the tunneled machine
1973 [19:34:25] <dka> I had started a SCP remote to local backup
of a remote directory, it lost the connection, I want to start over
from where I was
1974 [19:34:28] <dka> What is the best way to do ?
1975 [19:34:29] <johnfg> I can see it in /var/log/cups/error_log.
1976 [19:34:33] <greycat> I already have too much of a headache to
try to reverse engineer multiple layers of ssh reverse tunneling and
screen. Maybe try #openssh if nobody here can answer.
1977 [19:34:48] <karlpinc> nb-ben: The ssh man page says that with
-O forward the allocated port is printed to stdout.
1978 [19:34:51] <greycat> dka: rewrite the backup to use rsync.
1979 [19:34:51] <johnfg> It also shows up when I print a test page
from localhost:631.
1980 [19:35:05] <nb-ben> karlpinc: yes, but that is only after the
command is run
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1982 [19:35:29] <nb-ben> karlpinc: I would like to use that
allocated port in the machine which I've connected to
1983 [19:35:56] <karlpinc> nb-ben: Why not always use the same
port and just hardcode it?
1984 [19:36:12] <greycat> because his head doesn't hurt
enough yet
1985 [19:36:13] <nb-ben> karlpinc: because there are going to be
hundreds of these
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1988 [19:36:38] <shtrb> ,v plasma-shell
1989 [19:36:39] <judd> No package named 'plasma-shell'
was found in amd64.
1990 [19:36:41] <shtrb> ,v plasmashell
1991 [19:36:42] <judd> No package named 'plasmashell'
was found in amd64.
1992 [19:37:05] <nb-ben> guess I could get the PID of the ssh
process and then somehow figure out what ports belong to it..
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1994 [19:37:33] <karlpinc> nb-ben: Or just choose a random port
and if it fails retry.
1995 [19:37:34] <dka> greycat, there are lots of subfolder, do I
have to start over ?
1996 [19:37:44] <dka> I mean remove and redo but with rsync?
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1999 [19:38:03] <greycat> rsync may decide that some of them are
done, and not recopy them, if the metadata matches
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2001 [19:38:13] <greycat> that's kind of the whole *point* of
rsync
2002 [19:38:21] <nb-ben> karlpinc: I'm not gonna troll this
project around this way, if I check in something like that, the
incompetence will forever be documented in history
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2004 [19:38:27] <nb-ben> lol
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2010 [19:39:29] <greycat> and even if rsync decides that the meta
do *not* match, it'll still use its algorithms to compare the
content of the existing file on the target, and may avoid recopying
that way
2011 [19:39:48] <greycat> but if you didn't copy with rsync
originally, there are no promises on that
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2014 [19:40:17] <karlpinc> johnfg: Look at the changelog in
/usr/share/doc/SOMEPACKAGE/ and see if something changed. You should
be able to find that file name, uh, at packages.debian.org?
sources.debian.org? That will tell you what package.
2015 [19:40:56] <karlpinc> johnfg: If that package did not change
maybe (possibly) your disk is corrupted and you need to fsck. And
should run debsums to find any corruption. That's my thoughts.
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2020 [19:43:19] <karlpinc> nb-ben: If _all_ your doing is running
that command at the remote end then instead run a script that takes
the port on stdin. Then you get the port on the local end after
establishing the connection, send the port on to the remote end, and
the remote end does what it does using the port.
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2024 [19:44:32] <SPiRiT___> Hi everybody, I am frustrated. HELP!
:/ I install Debian on Virtualbox. When I choose DURING INSTALLATION
to install KDE Plasma - The screen resolution is automatically
adjusted when I resize VBox window. But if I install Plasma manually
- it does not! Which package is doing this auto-sizing thing?
2025 [19:44:41] <nb-ben> karlpinc: that'
2026 [19:45:07] <nb-ben> karlpinc: that's what I'm going
to do if there isn't an option to figure out the allocated port
on the server
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2030 [19:45:43] <karlpinc> SPiRiT___: How are you doing the
install?
2031 [19:45:44] <dka> I am trying to `rsync -avzhe ssh -P 10022
me@host:/backup .` but that lead to rsync error
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2034 [19:46:09] <karlpinc> !tell dka about errors
2035 [19:46:10] <dka> it is synthax error, I need to set the port
and the key which should be the one from the current user so default
2036 [19:46:29] <SPiRiT___> karlpinc, I install many packages
(because I want minimal install). I tried a lot to check missing
packages but could not find one that related to the screen.
2037 [19:46:32] <greycat> you shouldn't need -e ssh if your
rsync is less than 15 years old
2038 [19:46:46] <greycat> it's been the default for about
that long
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2040 [19:47:21] <karlpinc> SPiRiT___: No, what debian installation
method are you using when you choose during installation to install
KDE Plasma?
2041 [19:48:03] <SPiRiT___> I use Debian 10, using full dvd (disk
#1) but of course I then update sources.conf to use internet
repositories...
2042 [19:48:09] <SPiRiT___> (main + contrib + non-free)
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2045 [19:49:33] <karlpinc> nb-ben: Using the reported port seems
cleaner to me than poking about on the remote end. YMMV.
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2047 [19:50:57] <jelly> dka: either quote that 'ssh
-P10022' option for -e parameter, or put options for ssh client
into ~/.ssh/config
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2049 [19:51:12] <karlpinc> SPiRiT___: You might try asking the kde
channel. I don't know what does the resizing. Isn't it
something that you poke at with a stick in the GUI?
2050 [19:51:26] <greycat> ah, the -P was supposed to be an option
for ssh, not for rsync?
2051 [19:51:44] <jelly> dka: if you always use that port to
connect to that machine it's probably better to put it in
ssh's config file anyway
2052 [19:52:04] <jelly> greycat: yes
2053 [19:52:05] <greycat> note that if you're specifying a
port to ssh, you probably want -p, not -P
2054 [19:52:18] <SPiRiT___> karlpinc, there is no such option in
the GUI. This 'auto sizing' does not happen out-of-the-box
if I install gnome, so you are probably right... I just wonder what
does it :/ I'll try refering to kde. thanks a lot
2055 [19:52:23] <greycat> -P was for scp, which is ... just bad.
2056 [19:52:28] <nb-ben> karlpinc: it removes the ability to use
-f (background), I'll have to maintain some session to it and
redirect inputs and outputs..
2057 [19:52:32] <jelly> oh right
2058 [19:52:45] <jelly> scp should die, etc etc
2059 [19:52:53] <greycat> not as bad as ftp ;-)
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2061 [19:53:07] <greycat> /msg greybot scp
2062 [19:53:09] <jelly> ftp doesn't do shell expansions
2063 [19:53:12] <nb-ben> karlpinc: if I can do this on the remote
end, it makes the thing a lot simpler
2064 [19:53:23] <jelly> scp is honestly worse in some aspects
2065 [19:54:20] <jelly> relying on features of your particular
login shells can be nifty, but security features put into latest
openssh client mess with that
2066 [19:54:22] <karlpinc> SPiRiT___: It's probably something
that you can change with dpkg-reconfigure, but you'd have to
know what package. You could try several at random....
2067 [19:55:04] <jelly> "Oh you wanted f*(.m-1) SURELY that
does not match foo with mtime of less than one day and I'm
refusing to copy it"
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2069 [19:55:49] <greycat> is that zsh syntax?
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2071 [19:56:05] <jelly> yes, it has half of find(1) as extended
glob
2072 [19:56:20] <greycat> *() in bash just means "0 or more
of this"
2073 [19:56:40] <greycat> wooledg:~$ echo f*(o)
2074 [19:56:40] <greycat> foo
2075 [19:56:42] <jelly> saves a lot of typing in interactive use
2076 [19:57:30] <jelly> what was that pdf I downloaded this
morning? okular Download/*pdf(.m-1)<tab>
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2080 [19:59:20] <jelly> gzip *.log(.m+90L+4095) # compress regular
files older than 90 days larger than 4095B
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2083 [20:01:04] <jelly> just in case there's a hundred
thousand tiny or 0-length files not worth compressing
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2086 [20:01:57] <nb-ben> karlpinc: looks like `netstat -lnp --tcp
-4 | grep "$(($$ - 1))" | awk '{print $4}'` does
it. Now I need to replace the $(($$-1) part with a better way to get
parent pid.
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2088 [20:02:26] <johnfg> karlpinc: Ok, sorry to take so long to
respond, working on a doc.
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2091 [20:03:10] <nb-ben> ah, there's $PPID
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2094 [20:04:08] <jelly> $$ -1 is oh so very racy
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2098 [20:04:37] <greycat> it's oh so incredibly *wrong*, but
they've already found the correct answer on their own
2099 [20:04:48] <nb-ben> actually, this is also a bad idea.
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2109 [20:08:03] <johnfg> karlpinc: Not sure how to find what file
may have changed.
2110 [20:08:18] <karlpinc> johnfg: The error message has a file
name in it.
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2113 [20:08:41] <karlpinc> johnfg: You want to know if that
package has changed.
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2115 [20:08:48] <different> Hi users.
2116 [20:08:49] <johnfg> ibcanon_pdlwrapper.c?
2117 [20:09:03] <johnfg> libcanon_pdlwrapper.c?
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2119 [20:09:13] <karlpinc> johnfg: It could always be something
unrelated, and that code is discovering the problem. But then I
don't know what to do.
2120 [20:09:19] <karlpinc> johnfg: yes.
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2122 [20:09:43] <gh00p> Hiya. Where can I find an authoritative
downloadable list of Ethernet vendor IDs? That is, the first 24 bits
of the MAC address?
2123 [20:10:21] <petn-randall> gh00p: The package
"ieee-data" has the complete dataset.
2124 [20:10:45] <different> I think that exist a pair of programs
about this information.
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2126 [20:11:04] <fuxxy> installing Buster on an ESXi VM, with the
VM ethernet interface in 'trunking' mode (PVID 4095). The
debian installer environment can't find a network. I've
verified the 8021q module is loaded, as well as creating the vLAN
interfaces with 'vconfig add ens32 200 && vconfig add
ens32 20'. Is there anything else I can try, before giving up
and switching to an access-type interface?
2127 [20:11:24] <johnfg> Not finding anything at either packages
or sources.
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2129 [20:11:50] <karlpinc> fuxxy: Can you use the nic at all while
in the installer, say from a vt?
2130 [20:12:11] <different> something know the program Offshell
system?
2131 [20:13:11] <karlpinc> fuxxy: I'm thinking firmware.
Non-free firmware might be needed. (I always think this.) You could
try the unofficial installer images with non-free firmware. (Type:
/msg dpkg firmware images)
2132 [20:13:13] <jelly> fuxxy: debian-installer does not support
8021q trunks yet
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2134 [20:13:16] <fuxxy> karlpinc, I can't use any interface -
Not the 'raw' ens32, nor the vLAN interfaces. With a
configured static IP, I get no response from the other machines on
the network.
2135 [20:13:42] <jelly> fuxxy: btw which eth card emulation are
you using, e1000e? vmxnet3?
2136 [20:13:54] <fuxxy> jelly, e1000
2137 [20:14:21] * karlpinc was not paying close enough attention
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2139 [20:15:18] <fuxxy> jelly, I didnt expect the installer to
configure the vLAN interfaces, so I've done that by hand.
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2142 [20:15:43] <gh00p> petn-randall: thanks. Do you happen to
know how consistently the ieee-data package is updated to match
original sources?
2143 [20:15:53] <jelly> fuxxy: just for fun, can you tell the
installer you want to use ens32.200 as interface to configure?
2144 [20:16:10] <jelly> with out configuring manually any of them
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2146 [20:16:26] <jelly> because ifupdown does support them.
2147 [20:17:13] <jelly> fuxxy: is your switch a vDS or standard
switch?
2148 [20:17:57] <jelly> because I vaguely remember a wishlist bug
report
2149 [20:18:08] <fuxxy> jelly, no, the installer doesnt even
provide the option for other interfaces until I've created them
by hand. Afterwards, the installer can be directed to ens32.200, but
it does not receive a DHCP response. A manually configured IP cannot
contact the gateway IP, nor any other IP on the subnet.
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2151 [20:19:03] <fuxxy> jelly, ESxi is connected to a Cisco 3560G,
L2+minimal L3 routing
2152 [20:19:08] <jelly> fuxxy: can you confirm the hypervisor side
of the interface is configured correctly, by booting say a linux
live image and configuring vlans there?
2153 [20:19:20] <jelly> fuxxy: I meant the switch on esxi.
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2155 [20:19:46] <fuxxy> jelly, oh, sorry. The internal vSwitch is
a standard switch.
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2158 [20:20:26] <jelly> judd: bug #433568
2159 [20:20:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2161 [20:20:43] <petn-randall> gh00p: You can check the changelog
at
replaced-url
2162 [20:21:23] <gh00p> Thanks. I found
replaced-url
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2166 [20:24:00] <jelly> fetching a file from a http site might be
more prone to MITM than getting the same data via distribution means
2167 [20:24:48] <petn-randall> That's also my thinking.
2168 [20:24:51] <jelly> then again, that can they do, change all
the vendor names to genitalia
2169 [20:25:03] <jelly> what* can they do
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2171 [20:25:12] <petn-randall> Plus you'd also have to check
for errors when retrieving it by hand.
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2176 [20:27:02] <fuxxy> jelly, reading through the bug report and
checking on my system, all the commands the contributors list that
throw errors appear to work properly in my install environment.
2177 [20:27:14] <jelly> fuxxy: our workflow at work brings up a
fresh vm in a separate network with tftp and dhcp, installs, and
only configures actual network after that
2178 [20:27:16] <fuxxy> jelly, Let me try the Live ISO.
2179 [20:27:36] <johnfg> Is there a reason to have gutenprint,
since I have the canon driver?
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2181 [20:28:15] <jelly> (the installation part pushes correct
/e/n/interfaces, powers down the thing, reconfigures net and powers
up)
2182 [20:29:36] <fuxxy> jelly, I'm still toying with the idea
of an install PXE environment, with PXE loading a bootloader with
various install images, but that's still on the table.
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2186 [20:30:48] <jelly> that's what coworker did in the end,
works for debian 9, 10, rhel and centos 6, 7
2187 [20:31:10] <jelly> and breaks every time there's a
debian point release :-)
2188 [20:31:11] <PETURBG> i need for latest stable debian coturn:
it fail it work:
replaced-url
2189 [20:31:40] <greycat> ,v coturn
2190 [20:31:41] <judd> Package: coturn on amd64 -- jessie:
4.2.1.2-1; jessie-security: 4.2.1.2-1+deb8u1; stretch:
4.5.0.5-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.5.0.5-1+deb9u1;
stretch-backports: 4.5.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.5.1.1-1.1; bullseye:
4.5.1.1-1.1+b1; sid: 4.5.1.1-1.1+b1
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2193 [20:32:02] <jelly> PETURBG: what is "coturn"?
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2195 [20:32:21] <greycat> it's a package, apparently... the
question is, does buster's version work well enough for
PETURBG?
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2197 [20:33:10] <PETURBG> greycat latest debian 10... it is same
as unstable...
2198 [20:33:17] <jelly> PETURBG: does NextCloud support Debian 10
at all?
2199 [20:34:06] <PETURBG> jelly... question is separated... as it
still don't connect to nextcloud... it comment timeout... so
nextcloud still don';t work...
2200 [20:34:24] <johnfg> The gutenprint didn't show any
recent changes, but don't know what else could have changed? I
reinstalled the printer driver from canon, but it made no
difference.
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2202 [20:34:51] <PETURBG> johnfg what version of debian you use ?
2203 [20:35:07] <johnfg> stretch, with latest updates.
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2205 [20:35:23] <PETURBG> johnfg you mean debian 9...
2206 [20:35:45] <johnfg> Haven't upgraded to buster as of
yet.
2207 [20:35:53] <johnfg> PETURBG: Yup.
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2209 [20:36:17] <PETURBG> johnfg.. for more security... make
backup of config files... and purge all program related to
drivers...
2210 [20:36:39] <jelly> ,i coturn
2211 [20:36:41] <judd> Package coturn (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: TURN and STUN server for VoIP. Version: 4.5.1.1-1.1;
Size: 349.0k; Installed: 1414k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2212 [20:36:56] <jelly> oh, it's a proxy for SIP crazy NAT
traversing schemes
2213 [20:37:09] <johnfg> PETURBG: I'll give that a try. Gotta
run to 2nd job, but thanks to all who are trying to fix the problem!
2214 [20:37:12] <johnfg> ttyl!
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2217 [20:37:46] <PETURBG> johncfg sometimes it works 100 %... if
you don';t solve it... comment i will try help you.
2218 [20:37:52] <SPiRiT___> karlpinc, just to let you know, I
found that the 'upower' package does the work of
auto-resizing the screen! Thank you :}
2219 [20:38:21] <life_SUX> I am having a problem with an
installation of 10. After successful installation, i rebooted, and
all i get is a blinking cursor.
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2221 [20:38:40] <PETURBG> judd i don't have github account...
very dissapoint that old version of coturn worked...
2222 [20:38:42] <judd> No package named 'don't' was
found in buster/amd64.
2223 [20:39:22] <PETURBG> johncfg goodluck for 2nd work...
2224 [20:39:50] <jelly> judd is sadly a bot that does not know
better
2225 [20:39:58] <PETURBG> jelly can you help for solve it...
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2228 [20:40:47] <life_SUX> jelly" Can you help me with my
problem?
2229 [20:40:54] <PETURBG> i have verbose activated... maybe it
mean more logs: timer_event_handler: timeout 0x5589aa08e160:
timer_handler
2230 [20:41:01] <greycat> jelly can you solve hunger and poverty
2231 [20:41:03] <jelly> no, life_SUX
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2233 [20:41:13] <life_SUX> jelly : ok
2234 [20:41:54] <PETURBG> what exactly debian irc chat is for.
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2236 [20:42:33] <life_SUX> I had to burn an installation of Super
Grub2 onto a disk, and run that to access the OS. How can i fix
this?
2237 [20:42:36] <greycat> PETURBG: nobody here has even *heard* of
"coturn" before now, let alone has in-depth knowledge of
this package. File a bug report. If you believe the stretch version
will work better for you, then use the stretch version.
2238 [20:42:52] <jelly> PETURBG: helping with stuff we know how to
help with, and getting help if possible
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2240 [20:43:22] <jelly> a voip related channel might be or more
help
2241 [20:43:40] <PETURBG> life_UX you need to chroot in that
system
2242 [20:44:24] <life_SUX> Ok, i am new at thios. so, I will have
to look that up
2243 [20:44:51] <PETURBG> i have manual... how to reinstall it:
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2247 [20:46:06] <lacky> ciao a tutti
2248 [20:46:25] <lacky> !list
2249 [20:46:25] <dpkg> lacky: vedi
replaced-url
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2251 [20:46:56] <life_SUX> When in SuperGrub2, I chose Detect and
show boot methods - it displays 4 "operating systems".
Which one ?
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2253 [20:47:21] <jelly> life_SUX: what are the options presented?
2254 [20:47:25] <jelly> !paste
2255 [20:47:25] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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2257 [20:49:04] <PETURBG> i configured
replaced-url
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2264 [20:50:27] <life_SUX> Linux /bootvmlinuz-(4.19.0 5)( and
4.19.0.6)-amd 64 (h0,msdos1)
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2267 [20:50:51] <life_SUX> Linux /bootvmlinuz-(4.19.0 5)( and
4.19.0.6)-amd 64 (single)(h0,msdos1)
2268 [20:51:53] <life_SUX> jelly : One of each.
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2272 [20:54:29] <PETURBG> life_SUX: look here:
replaced-url
2273 [20:54:42] <life_SUX> jelly; ...It also has advanced options
grub.cfg menu.lst, core.img
2274 [20:54:49] <life_SUX> OK,. thasnk you
2275 [20:54:53] <life_SUX> thank you
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2279 [20:56:38] <PETURBG> if you open bgzashtita.es refresh it
now.. i just upload it.
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2282 [20:57:33] <PETURBG> when you install grub it will ask what
hard disk to use... you can install it /dev/herewriteyourlinux
2283 [20:58:18] <PETURBG> to reinstall frub use ubuntu live...
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2285 [21:00:16] <jelly> life_SUX: on normal boot without a live
image, do you get a menu before switching to seeing just the cursor?
2286 [21:00:44] <life_SUX> no core.img, or menu,lst found
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2288 [21:00:57] <life_SUX> just the cursor
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2290 [21:01:31] <life_SUX> blinking
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2293 [21:02:28] <life_SUX> I am new to this, so i have no idea of
whati am doing
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2295 [21:02:59] <PETURBG> someone delete bgashtita web address.
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2297 [21:04:10] <life_SUX> jelly ; ..should i go to the command
line?
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2299 [21:04:55] <PETURBG> life_SUX can't help you... becouse
debian delete my bgzsahtita.es/git address. Ask debian moderators...
i want to help not show my git address. but you need manual.
2300 [21:05:31] <life_SUX> ok. i think that i bookmarked it lst
night.
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2302 [21:06:21] <PETURBG> manual for me work... and carefull in
new linux kernel there it bugs... one i found is... that every 10
sec, you will don't have internet and lan connection will not
work. Returning in old kernel 0.5 everything is gonna work.
2303 [21:07:00] <PETURBG> how much hard disk you have...
2304 [21:07:27] <life_SUX> 300GB
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2306 [21:07:57] <PETURBG> how much hard disks... now space... hard
disk... in your pc...
2307 [21:08:03] <PETURBG> now = not ?
2308 [21:08:31] <greycat> I think you mean "how many
drives".
2309 [21:08:54] <life_SUX> oh, only one right now. I plan to add
another one in the near future
2310 [21:09:00] <PETURBG> for fast solution. install ubuntu live
cd:
replaced-url
2311 [21:09:25] <Mathisen> what is going on here ? why ubuntu iso
?
2312 [21:09:29] <PETURBG> greycat... drivers ? you mean chocolate
drivers or hard disk drivers?
2313 [21:09:49] <Mathisen> im just reading some lines and have no
clue what the real issue is here
2314 [21:10:02] <Mathisen> mind to explain real issue again ?
2315 [21:10:57] <PETURBG> Mathisen my issue is with coturn: it
comment erros:
replaced-url
2316 [21:11:09] <PETURBG> on old version it work...
2317 [21:11:39] <greycat> File a bug report, and then use the old
version.
2318 [21:12:04] <PETURBG> greycat aiiii no.... in new version
there is logchange that work in nextcloud...
2319 [21:12:52] <PETURBG> timer_event_handler: timeout
2320 [21:13:01] <Mathisen> ok, well cant help with that. no clue
what coturn is but i have nextcloud 16.0.4 running on my buster
without issues.
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2322 [21:14:02] <PETURBG> Mathisen thi is for next talk... do you
use it...
2323 [21:14:17] <Mathisen> nope
2324 [21:15:09] <PETURBG> Mathisen ehhhh... can you help me
compile coturn from github... try see if it work... need original
debian directory.
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2327 [21:16:15] <Mathisen> i will not mess with my nextcloud no
2328 [21:16:56] <PETURBG> i dont' have to you mess with
nextcloud... i need original debian directory to compile coturn...
2329 [21:17:09] <greycat> !source
2330 [21:17:09] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get
build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
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2335 [21:18:47] <PETURBG> greycat ? you mean i need to download
git package, and download from debian source code of coturn, they mv
debian/rules to new git package and use dpkg-buildpackage... and
after tat it will have original new coturn .deb ?
2336 [21:18:55] <rafalcpp> what can result in /tmp free space
decreasing over days, while there are no big files there?
2337 [21:19:11] <rafalcpp> like maybe, somehoe, opened pipes nost
closed correctly.. sockets.. anything like that?
2338 [21:19:25] <rafalcpp> I run a custom program there which I
suspect might be somehow causing this
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2345 [21:20:50] <Alexthek1d1977> hello
2346 [21:21:02] <Alexthek1d1977> how to change locale from C to
C.UTF-8?
2347 [21:21:13] <greycat> rafalcpp: is your /tmp a real partition,
or a tempfs in memory?
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2349 [21:21:25] <greycat> !locale
2350 [21:21:25] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
replaced-url
2351 [21:21:39] <Mathisen> PETURBG, yes it compiled without issues
replaced-url
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2356 [21:23:07] <Alexthek1d1977> greycat thanks
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2359 [21:23:28] <Alexthek1d1977> i already tried:
2360 [21:23:29] <Alexthek1d1977> sudo update-locale LANG=C.UTF-8
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2362 [21:23:33] <Alexthek1d1977> nothing changed
2363 [21:24:08] <CpAj0> i use lxde with debian, i have a problem
after reboot when i login in the system my desktop wallpaper will
reset to default one
2364 [21:24:12] <greycat> what on earth is "sudo
update-locale" ...
2365 [21:24:15] <life_SUX> Interesting ..That was ...damn first
choise on the list, ans tyen i had to Cntr-D to actualyl get the OS
to start.
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2370 [21:25:02] <greycat> Hmm, man page says it modifies
/etc/default/locale for you. So, if you actually *want* to use
/etc/default/locale for some reason, I suppose that will suffice.
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2372 [21:25:08] <life_SUX> is it in the cfg file? No image file
found.
2373 [21:25:15] <Alexthek1d1977> greychat dunno found that
googleing
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2375 [21:25:26] <PETURBG> Mathisen very sexy pastebin log... but
don't understand how it detect debian automaticaly directory...
2376 [21:25:33] <CpAj0> is java involved in any way?
2377 [21:25:38] <greycat> Alexthek1d1977: after changing
/etc/default/locale you will need to log out and back in. And
you'd better not be using ssh.
2378 [21:25:48] <hexnewbie> How does one get Widevine on Chromium
in Debian 10 to work? Like, real, step by step instructions, which
version, which exact directory needs to be in, where does one go to
verify that it is installed?
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2380 [21:25:51] <greycat> /etc/default/locale only makes sense for
LOCAL logins.
2381 [21:25:56] <Alexthek1d1977> greycat, okay ty
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2388 [21:27:51] <life_SUX> <pastebin> OK. NOT the first
choice on that list.
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2390 [21:28:01] <PETURBG> ?
2391 [21:28:37] <hexnewbie> Bug #921738 says it just works, but
there are no clear instructions, nor a way to check
2392 [21:28:38] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2394 [21:33:02] <DammitJim> Oh gosh, this is not necessarily a
debian question, but I have 20 x 500GB hard drives... what do you
guys suggest I can buy to build a storage server with them?
2395 [21:35:03] <Alexthek1d1977> greycat, thanks for your help. it
works
2396 [21:35:23] <Alexthek1d1977> greycat, had a bad time with
python encoding and stuff..
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2402 [21:37:45] <PETURBG> is this correct:
replaced-url
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2404 [21:40:00] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: You'll need a
couple of full height NAS chassis with extendable RAID controllers.
2405 [21:40:21] <DammitJim> sounds expensive
2406 [21:40:29] <jhutchins_wk> Oh yeah.
2407 [21:40:41] <jhutchins_wk> Most controllers only handle 7
drives at a time.
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2409 [21:40:54] <PETURBG> someone experince with compile debian in
original directory:
replaced-url
2410 [21:40:56] <jhutchins_wk> 20 is going to be _special_.
2411 [21:42:30] <PETURBG> hmm strange it think it compile... but
how...
2412 [21:42:39] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: kids these days do not use
raid controllers, pure HBA mode and soft raid (and tiering) is
modern
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2414 [21:43:36] <PETURBG> now it comment hits: pg: skipped
"Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org>": No secret key gpg:
dpkg-sign.7hhevBRE/coturn_4.5.1.1-1.1.dsc: clear-sign failed: No
secret key
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2416 [21:43:58] <jelly> DammitJim: you could try and plug them
into an old 4U 24 disk chassis and connect that to a sas or fc san
controller
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2419 [21:45:17] <jelly> DammitJim: you're already in
#linux-raid right?
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2421 [21:45:58] <jelly> nope. Could have sworn you were.
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2426 [21:48:29] <hexnewbie> ‘strace -ff chromium
--no-sandbox 2>&1 | fgrep widevine’ results in
‘openat(AT_FDCWD,
"/usr/lib/chromium/libwidevinecdm.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC)
= 180’, am I to assume I installed the library in the right
place, but got the wrong version of it?
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2429 [21:51:16] <jelly> hexnewbie: is that the same as the
eponymous thing that comes with google chrome?
2430 [21:51:31] <karlpinc> hexnewbie: I don't know. Reminder:
If you're manually mucking with libs don't forget
ldconfig.
2431 [21:51:51] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7095956 Sep 18
00:05 /opt/google/chrome/libwidevinecdm.so
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2433 [21:52:26] <jelly> ldconfig is less important when an
executable manually opens hardcoded paths with dlsym()
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2435 [21:52:50] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7095956 Sep 17
18:05 /opt/google/chrome/libwidevinecdm.so
2436 [21:53:13] <Guest68> Hi i have problem using pdftk, i
don't have the permission but i am in root ... Can someone help
me please ?
2437 [21:53:17] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: I have a storage guy who
takes care of that stuff for me.
2438 [21:53:22] <jelly> well at least yours and mine look similar.
Unless there's a MITM somewhere inside freenode
2439 [21:53:36] <greycat> I guess the timestamp isn't
significant...?
2440 [21:53:39] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: I am also my storage guy.
2441 [21:53:42] <hexnewbie> jelly: It should be the same thing,
but I try to avoid having to install Chrome to get it to work. The
version in Debian is supposed to autoload it, but there are no more
details to it. I got it to work in Firefox (which downloads it
automatically in ~/.mozilla/...), but I want to secure a backup
browser before making any purchases, and I can't see any signs
it's working in Chromium (besides, test sites say my DRM is not
working)
2442 [21:54:02] <karlpinc> Guest68: We'd need to see more
info.
2443 [21:54:08] <karlpinc> !tell Guest68 about errors
2444 [21:54:12] <jelly> greycat: timezones are crazy things!
2445 [21:54:18] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Sometimes I miss being a
joat, other times it's a real relief.
2446 [21:54:18] <karlpinc> !tell Guest68 about paste
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2449 [21:55:19] <Guest68> Here is the error (Less than 2 lines) :
bash: /home/user/scan 1.pdf: Permission non accordée
2450 [21:55:37] * jelly suspects greycat to have things installed around
UTC-4 meridians
2451 [21:55:37] <PETURBG> someone
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2454 [21:55:53] <hexnewbie> One of the five versions I downloaded
and tried is 7085500 bytes
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2456 [21:56:08] <greycat> Guest68: ls -l "/home/user/scan
1.pdf"
2457 [21:56:15] <jelly> hexnewbie: which version of chromium do
you have, 76.x or 77.x?
2458 [21:56:25] <jelly> this file ^ iz from chrome 77.x
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2460 [21:56:37] <hexnewbie> jelly: 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1
2461 [21:56:45] <Guest68> -rw-r----- 1 user user 532562 sept. 23
21:15 '/home/user/scan 1.pdf'
2462 [21:56:59] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7085500 Aug 24
00:09 /opt/google/chrome/libwidevinecdm.so # this one iz from
76.0.3809.132-1
2463 [21:57:05] <life_SUX> ..perhaps iot would be better if i just
reinstalled the OS.
2464 [21:57:06] <greycat> Guest68: well, if you are
"user" then you can read this file. If you're not
"user", and not in group "user", you cannot.
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2466 [21:57:20] <karlpinc> greycat: He says he's root
2467 [21:57:40] <greycat> I also saw something about
"pdftk" which sounds GUI-ish, which means he can't
really be root.
2468 [21:57:50] <Guest68> trying in both root and user
doesn't work ...
2469 [21:58:10] <jelly> ,i pdftk
2470 [21:58:12] <judd> Package pdftk (text, optional) in
buster/amd64: transitional package for pdftk, a tool for
manipulating PDF documents. Version: 2.02-5; Size: 16.0k; Installed:
27k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2471 [21:58:17] <jelly> ,depends pdftk
2472 [21:58:20] <judd> Package pdftk in buster/amd64 -- depends:
pdftk-java.
2473 [21:58:25] <greycat> *shudder*
2474 [21:58:37] <hexnewbie> jelly: Would you by any chance have
any idea which version would that be? chrome://components/ is
supposed to show it, I suspect under the WidevineCdm name
2475 [21:58:39] <greycat> there's tk in java now?!
2476 [21:58:44] <jelly> the thing with Tk in its name is naturally
implemented in Java!
2477 [21:58:52] <hexnewbie> Which version of Widevine, I mean
2478 [21:58:53] <jelly> (most likely, reimplemented)
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2480 [21:59:10] <jelly> hexnewbie: lemme see if about:plugins
shows it
2481 [21:59:11] <greycat> ,depends pdftk-java
2482 [21:59:12] <judd> Package pdftk-java in buster/amd64 --
depends: libbcprov-java, libcommons-lang3-java, default-jre-headless
| java8-runtime-headless.
2483 [21:59:17] <Guest68> I have already that package
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2485 [22:00:12] <karlpinc> Yes, java. But pdftk seems to be
"the tool" for frobbing pdfs. At least the last time I
looked.
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2489 [22:01:01] <karlpinc> Guest68: I don't suppose selinux
is turned on?
2490 [22:01:56] <Guest68> how can i check ?
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2492 [22:03:20] <greycat> This pdftk vs. pdftk-java thing is very
confusing to me. packages.d.o. shows that the package is basically
unchanged across jessie/stretch/buster except that in buster, it has
been renamed to -java and the original pdftk converted to a
transitional package.
2493 [22:03:26] <greycat> Yet, all of these versions are written
in Java.
2494 [22:03:26] <karlpinc> Guest68: First, try this: cat -A
'/home/user/scan 1.pdf > /dev/null
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2496 [22:03:44] <greycat> lost a quote there
2497 [22:03:48] <karlpinc> Guest68: I'd expect you to get
your error message.
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2499 [22:04:03] <karlpinc> Oops: cat -A '/home/user/scan
1.pdf' > /dev/null
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2501 [22:04:45] <Guest68> It give me nothing ...
2502 [22:05:30] <karlpinc> Guest68: That is strange, because the
original message is supposed to be from bash....
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2504 [22:05:56] <Guest68> i i tried both root and user, nothing
2505 [22:06:22] <Guest68> root@PC-LD:/home/user# cat -A
'/home/user/scan 1.pdf' >
/dev/nullroot@PC-LD:/home/user#
2506 [22:06:36] <karlpinc> Guest68: You never did tell us what you
were typing to get the error.
2507 [22:07:04] <Guest68> oh i was trying to fuse some pdf. I will
upload to pastebin
2508 [22:07:22] <Guest68> *paste debian i mean
2509 [22:09:01] <jelly> hexnewbie: okay, I have no idea how to
check the version
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2511 [22:09:20] <Guest68> here is the link :
replaced-url
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2513 [22:10:39] <karlpinc> Guest68: That's pretty clear.
You're trying to run a pdf as a program. It won't run. If
you want to use pdftk you're going to have to put the pdftk
command into your command line.
2514 [22:11:06] <hexnewbie> jelly: It's not in
chrome://components ?
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2516 [22:12:04] <jhutchins_wk> Guest68: I think that imagemagick
and *office's graphics programs can handle that.
2517 [22:12:08] <Guest68> ah i see now ... Shit i am too tired,
thanks !
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2519 [22:12:20] <hexnewbie> jelly: Thanks for checking, either
way. The problem may even be elsewhere, given that I tried a vast
variety of them and the manifest of none of them seem to specify
minimum browser version or anything of that sort.
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2524 [22:16:31] <jelly> hexnewbie: its absence in
chrome://components is noted; netflix works nevertheless
2525 [22:16:38] <hexnewbie> jelly: Thanks for the time helping. I
just got it working, and confirmed. :) May have been my fault all
along, put the newest version in ~/.local/lib, and the test videos
play (apparently, it's not displayed in chrome://components, so
I may have been checking the wrong place all along)
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2532 [22:17:43] <jelly> TIL ~/.local
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2536 [22:18:32] <somiaj> the whole lets rebild the whole FSH
inside of $HOME approach
2537 [22:18:33] <greycat> it's where x stores its Xorg.0.log
file lately
2538 [22:18:43] <somiaj> (if using startx, display managers still
run as root)
2539 [22:19:06] <somiaj> so now we have two places to tell someone
to look for the xorg log, how fun
2540 [22:19:14] <greycat> (the release notes told me gdm3 in
strech runs X as you for gnome-users)
2541 [22:19:25] <greycat> (lightdm, another story)
2542 [22:19:38] <greycat> somiaj: been that way for a while now.
2543 [22:19:40] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
2544 [22:19:40] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are
on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in
~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
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2546 [22:20:01] <somiaj> yup, since debian 9 where non setuid xorg
was introduced
2547 [22:20:05] <jelly> somiaj: I think you want to say
"freedesktop.org STANDARD"!!1
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2549 [22:21:01] <somiaj> I was more commenting how ~/.local and
~/.share, ~/bin, all feel like putting the FSH inside of $HOME
2550 [22:21:10] <greycat> FHS, right?
2551 [22:21:39] <jelly> I already have a ~/bin and ~/tmp
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2553 [22:21:51] * jelly shakes his cane, warning the younguns off his
lawn
2554 [22:21:54] <greycat> and now you have /run/user/$UID/ too!
2555 [22:21:58] <somiaj> ahh yea, I was thinking FileSystem
Heirachy, not Filesystem Heriachy Standard
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2558 [22:23:18] <jhutchins_wk> Of course they're all hidden,
but at least you can still read them. Until systemd takes over and
munges them into a binary registry.
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2560 [22:23:54] <jelly> Fur Hajjesty's Ship?
2561 [22:24:39] <greycat> Oh, that reminds me. General question,
could be off topic. Do people who migrate their services to systemd
units just forsake sane human-readable logging, or is there some
trick to get actual log files instead of journalctl shit?
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2565 [22:25:59] <somiaj> I just use the journactl log since it
grabs bout stdout and stderror
2566 [22:26:26] <somiaj> But I think you can do standard shell
things, wonder if using something like tee could help with this
2567 [22:26:35] <greycat> Do you enable persistent logging on disk
too?
2568 [22:26:37] <somiaj> so the output is tee'd to a log
file, but still given to systemd.
2569 [22:26:46] <somiaj> My use is really simple, so I
haven't
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2572 [22:27:55] <jmcnaught> journald forwards to syslog, but I
prefer using journalctl so I have persistent logging enabled.
2573 [22:28:02] <somiaj> greycat:
replaced-url
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2575 [22:28:21] <somiaj> so if you want you can have systemd send
the stdout and stderror to a log file of your choosing
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2577 [22:29:14] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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2579 [22:29:29] <greycat> "Note that this way log files
contents will be overwritten each time service restarts."
2580 [22:29:46] <somiaj> oh wait, nevermind on the last link, you
can do append:path
2581 [22:29:51] <somiaj> so maybe you can actually append
2582 [22:30:00] <somiaj> append:path is similar to file:path
above, but it opens the file in append mode.
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2584 [22:32:15] <greycat> So, what I'm hearing is there is no
equivalent to daemontools's automatically rotated timestamped
log files.
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2591 [22:34:51] <somiaj> well coulnd't logrotate still rotate
files here?
2592 [22:35:10] <somiaj> But yea, you might find if you don't
want systemd to be the only location of the logs, have the program
produce its own logfile
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2594 [22:36:08] <greycat> Going back to "a single infinite
logfile + logrotate + some kind of daemon-specific signal to reopen
the log file" would be like going backward 15 years.
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2596 [22:37:26] <somiaj> My limited understanding is the design is
journalctl is supose to do all the parsing you need, and all data is
there. But I too like logfiles
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2601 [22:40:03] <twobitsprite> rsyslog can receive log entries
from systemd
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2615 [22:53:53] <bouba> have u any idea to install virtualbox in
buster?
2616 [22:54:20] <joepublic> I do have an idea how to install
virtualbox in buster.
2617 [22:54:27] <joepublic> several, in fact.
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2619 [22:55:32] <bouba> can u help me?
2620 [22:55:50] <joepublic> a good installation fumble and bumble
method is "apt-cache search whatever" (in this case
virtualbox), look at the output, find something that looks likely,
and sudo apt-get install that-thing-that-looks-likely.
2621 [22:55:54] <jhutchins_wk> !virtualbox
2622 [22:55:54] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free
software virtual machine solution. To install, see
replaced-url
2623 [22:55:54] <greycat> !virtualbox
2624 [22:56:27] <joepublic> wow. Jessie *or* Wheezy.
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2626 [22:56:29] <at0m> ,v virtualbox
2627 [22:56:30] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 --
jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib:
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib:
5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.12-dfsg-1
2628 [22:56:39] <at0m> no buster
2629 [22:56:47] <bouba> ahhhh
2630 [22:57:04] <jhutchins_wk> I think it was something like
inadequate maintenance.
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2633 [22:57:42] <greycat> it's not in stretch either... but
*is* in stretch-backports for some reason
2634 [22:57:59] <joepublic> one might wonder from where it was
backported.
2635 [22:58:06] <bouba> importing keys (not work) in buster
2636 [22:58:07] <greycat> sid
2637 [22:58:15] <joepublic> fair enough
2638 [22:59:08] <joepublic> oracle also builds various debs (and
rpms etc.) and provides a repository which might or might not be
helpful,
replaced-url
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2640 [22:59:55] <bouba> so ... and for buster?
2641 [23:00:21] <whislock> Consider going to the URL you were just
given.
2642 [23:00:35] <joepublic> harking back to your question, can I
help you, the answer may or may not be yes. I can point you in the
right direction(s), and if this helps you, then yes. If not, then
probably not.
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2645 [23:01:09] <joepublic> I mostly use QEMU/KVM and not
virtualbox, so my knowledge is mostly theoretical on the matter.
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2650 [23:03:03] <bouba> joepublic, +1
2651 [23:03:16] <bouba> sry
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2656 [23:04:05] <joepublic> If it were me I would try something
"not recommended" in a virtual machine (like installing
the jessie version or stretch-backports version) and see what
happens.
2657 [23:04:16] <bouba> this package semms good
replaced-url
2658 [23:04:30] <joepublic> but if you make your virtual machines
in virtualbox, that limits that.
2659 [23:04:33] <bouba> seems s
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2662 [23:05:01] <joepublic> generally one would set up the
repository they are talking about and then apt-get update and
apt-get install their virtualbox.
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2664 [23:05:15] <whislock> ^ that's a better idea than
installing a single deb.
2665 [23:05:16] <joepublic> rather than download a deb file, throw
it at the wall, and see what sticks.
2666 [23:05:35] <joepublic> remember, if you break your system,
you get to keep both pieces.
2667 [23:05:39] <greycat> I'd be rather careful installing a
package that says "Ubuntu" and "bionic".
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2669 [23:06:10] <whislock> To be fair, the site says its the same
package for buster.
2670 [23:06:36] <greycat> OK. If you trust this site, then maybe
go for it.
2671 [23:06:41] <whislock> But again, better a repo than a single
deb.
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2679 [23:07:53] <bouba> dpkg not work with option +i
2680 [23:07:53] <dpkg> bouba: are you using Windows?
2681 [23:08:07] <bouba> dpkg, yes
2682 [23:08:07] <dpkg> bouba: I give up, what is it?
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2684 [23:08:36] <whislock> bouba: Follow the instructions for
adding the repo. Don't just install a deb.
2685 [23:08:48] <joepublic> bouba, you downloaded the deb file and
tried to install it, right?
2686 [23:08:57] <whislock> Wait. You're using Windows? Is
this some WSL mess?
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2689 [23:09:23] <bouba> joepublic, yes
2690 [23:09:46] <bouba> but o wrong i know
2691 [23:10:04] <joepublic> okay bouba. It does not work that way.
To install packages manually which is usually probably (and in this
case definitely) a bad idea, you have to also manually install all
dependencies.
2692 [23:10:06] <bouba> but is wrong i know
2693 [23:10:35] <bouba> joepublic, apt-get install -f
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2695 [23:10:44] <greycat> !apt install
2696 [23:10:44] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually
downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./
or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt
install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
2697 [23:10:45] <joepublic> the next question is not "how do
I do that" but "what should I do instead", the answer
in this case being setting up their repository and then apt-get
update and apt-get install whatever you are trying to install.
2698 [23:11:22] <joepublic> uh, the oracle dependencies
aren't going to be installable no matter how clever your
apt-foo if their repositories are unknown.
2699 [23:11:56] <bouba> yes my apt-sources-list
2700 [23:12:19] <bouba> but dont work .
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2702 [23:12:38] <FlyingPersian> hi there. I just created the
chroot folder /home/test/home, changed it approprotely in the
sshd_config, copied over the /bin/bash file to /home/test/bin/ and
the respective libraries to /home/test/lib and
/home/test/lib/i386-linux-gnu, created the home directoy in
/home/test/home/testuser and added /home/test/bin/bash as the
user's shell, but I cannot login with the user. it logs in,
then says "/home/test/bin/bash: No such file or
2703 [23:12:38] <FlyingPersian> directory" and closes the
connection
2704 [23:12:43] <FlyingPersian> any idea why that is or what
I'm doing wrong?
2705 [23:13:02] <greycat> ldd /home/test/bin/bash
2706 [23:13:05] <joepublic> I can't parse "yes my
apt-sources-list but dont work ."
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2708 [23:13:16] <greycat> !ssh chroot
2709 [23:13:16] <dpkg> ssh chroot is, like, Stop. Read
replaced-url
2710 [23:13:41] <FlyingPersian> soo don't do it?
2711 [23:13:51] <FlyingPersian> how else can I limit a user to one
directoy only?
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2713 [23:14:35] <joepublic> put their home directory on a file
system that does not support subdirectories?
2714 [23:14:43] <FlyingPersian> hm
2715 [23:14:44] <FlyingPersian> okay
2716 [23:14:49] <greycat> WHY do you feel you need to "limit
a user to one directory"?
2717 [23:15:09] <karlpinc> FlyingPersian: Yes, what does
"limit" mean?
2718 [23:15:10] <FlyingPersian> I just want to temporarily create
a user to sftp a few files
2719 [23:15:20] <greycat> If you don't trust this person to
login to your system, why are you letting them login to your system?
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2721 [23:15:30] <FlyingPersian> just paranoia :P
2722 [23:15:36] <greycat> FlyingPersian: OH, IF IT's sftp ...
that's TOTALLY different.
2723 [23:15:47] <whislock> paranoia isn't a good security
driver.
2724 [23:15:53] <greycat> You can use tell sshd to configure for
internal-sftp and have THAT be chrooted.
2725 [23:16:16] <FlyingPersian> okay the tutorials I found told me
to do that as well, but first they chrooted ssh
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2727 [23:16:22] <bouba> joepublic, just truble with sudo in the
command key.
2728 [23:16:24] <greycat> internal-sftp doesn't require
running a program, so it doesn't need the full unix apparatus
for launching dynamically linked ELF executables, shared libs, etc.
2729 [23:16:30] <bouba> now is working
2730 [23:16:47] <FlyingPersian> I'll read up on it
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2732 [23:17:02] <FlyingPersian> thanks
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2735 [23:19:21] <bouba> joepublic, my terminal was in root mode .
2736 [23:19:45] <bouba> the correct command not support
"sudo"
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2738 [23:20:12] <bouba> joepublic, thx
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2740 [23:20:21] <joepublic> if you have sudo, then root can sudo.
2741 [23:20:36] <joepublic> if you are root, then you
automatically should know the status of your sudo
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2743 [23:21:22] <somiaj> note sudo isn't installed by default
if you assign a password to root in the installer
2744 [23:21:34] <somiaj> the installer assumes you want to manage
the system as root, not with sudo
2745 [23:21:57] <bouba> joepublic, using this command in root mode
.. not work in user mode is right.
2746 [23:21:59] <bouba> wget -q
replaced-url
2747 [23:22:11] <greycat> if you're already root, just omit
the sudo
2748 [23:22:19] <joepublic> I use both in different situations. I
somehow automatically know which it should be per situation, but
couldn't explain why.
2749 [23:22:23] <joepublic> right, omit the sudo
2750 [23:22:30] <bouba> yes u undesrstand.
2751 [23:22:56] <bouba> exuse my bad english.
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2756 [23:24:12] <bouba> joepublic, can u speak in french in
spannish or in arabic?
2757 [23:24:28] <bouba> not i suppose.
2758 [23:24:36] <joepublic> There is a #debian-es channel
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2760 [23:24:45] <greycat> !fr
2761 [23:24:45] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users:
for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
2762 [23:24:50] <bouba> but u can undestand me.
2763 [23:24:51] <greycat> since you said french first
2764 [23:25:00] <joepublic> Yeah, I understand spanish
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2766 [23:25:20] <bouba> je ne pourrais pas m'expprimer en
anglais correctement.
2767 [23:25:45] <bouba> no puedo hablar ingles correctamente.
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2769 [23:26:48] <joepublic> je ne parle pas francais, y mi
castellano apesta tremendamente. But whatever, there are debian
channels where people speak both of those languages and speak them
well
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2775 [23:32:19] <life_SUX> .debhelper i keep getting a blank
screen and blinking cursor when i boot (new install of Debian 10)
What do i do>
2776 [23:32:57] <joepublic> this sounds like a rerun from
yesterday
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