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• 10[00:03:32] <julius_> for wol, do i need todo something else than "ethtool -s eth0 wol g ?
• 11[00:03:42] <julius_> on the system to be woken?
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• 54[00:22:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wol
• 55[00:22:04] <dpkg> Wake-on-LAN (WOL) is a method of powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See replaced-url
• 56[00:22:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> not that I use it
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• 83[00:41:13] <texnofobix> i've honestly never used WoL
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• 94[00:47:28] <julius_> hm, i tried the steps in the howto
• 95[00:47:50] <julius_> its also a bit confusing because it does not talk about jessie
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• 97[00:48:27] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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• 99[00:48:58] <NapoleonWils0n> running stable and looking to switch to sid, i know i have to upgrade to testing and then sid
• 100[00:49:03] <simNIX> julius_, in past the folowing worked for me:
• 101[00:49:10] <simNIX> /usr/local/bin/wakeonlan -i 10.10.1.0 00:1a:4b:c4:88:48
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• 103[00:49:23] <simNIX> so subnet/mac needs modding to your situation
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• 105[00:49:29] <NapoleonWils0n> i have some backports installed whats the best way to deal with backports when updgrade to sid
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• 110[00:49:41] <simNIX> + in bios wol might need to be turned on on pc that has to go on
• 111[00:49:48] <julius_> simNIX, why does it need a ip and a mac?
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• 113[00:50:19] <simNIX> since I had several nets, so not sure subnet is crytical
• 114[00:50:34] <simNIX> but mac is since pc is of that is bit that is listening simply put
• 115[00:50:42] <simNIX> its not an ip
• 116[00:50:45] <simNIX> its the net
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• 118[00:51:14] <simNIX> basicly it says; call out on subnet x to mac x to give it wakeup
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• 121[00:52:32] <simNIX> (also omit the /usr/local/bin)
• 122[00:52:58] <simNIX> (in Debian its not there)
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• 124[00:54:55] <simNIX> when the pc you want to turn on if switched off, it has noo ip on nic thats why you 'tickle' the mac with wakonlan package to basicle tap poweron button
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• 150[01:16:00] <kion> is there a way to make google-earth work on Debian?
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• 152[01:16:24] <bazhang> is it in the debian repos
• 153[01:17:21] <kion> bazhang, really? only apt-get install goog.....
• 154[01:17:31] <texnofobix> httpgoogleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth
• 155[01:17:41] <texnofobix> did apt-cache search google | grep earth
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• 161[01:19:52] <kion> The following packages have unmet dependencies: google-earth-stable : Depends: lsb-core (>= 3.2) but it is not going to be installed
• 162[01:19:56] <missmbob> well...there is this. replaced-url
• 163[01:20:29] <kion> i downloaded the 64 bit deb file from google but dpkg also complains about missing lsb-core
• 164[01:20:56] <missmbob> so you're not using jessie?
• 165[01:20:58] <missmbob> ,v lsb-core
• 166[01:20:59] <judd> Package: lsb-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1
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• 185[01:27:33] <Onemorenickname_> Hello
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• 187[01:28:17] <Onemorenickname_> I launched a simple service listening on port 1457, when I netstat -tna, it indeed shows it listens to port 1457, but when i telnet localhost 1457, i get a connection refused error
• 188[01:28:19] <Onemorenickname_> Any idea why ?
• 189[01:29:51] <preaction> Onemorenickname_: what interface is it listening on? all interfaces? or just the external interface? can you "telnet <some other ip this box has> 1457"?
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• 191[01:31:26] <Onemorenickname_> preaction, how can i see that ?
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• 193[01:31:44] <Onemorenickname_> (i don't know about the other IP, it's a virtual machine in virtual box)
• 194[01:31:53] <preaction> ifconfig will show you the configured network interfaces and their IP addresses. but i think there's also an "ip addr" command now?
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• 201[01:35:28] <Onemorenickname_> preaction, sorry, i got disconnected
• 202[01:35:30] <Onemorenickname_> i've seen on the internet it's ip a
• 203[01:36:42] <Onemorenickname_> (haha, i've just seen thats what you wrote)
• 204[01:36:42] <preaction> i know ifconfig will, amongst the other stuff in there
• 205[01:36:56] <Onemorenickname_> (i though you wrote ipaddr, but it didnot work)
• 206[01:37:19] <preaction> yeah, "ip" is the command, "addr" is the arg. i think. don't know. don't have a debian box to tell you without sshing somewhere
• 207[01:37:37] <Onemorenickname_> thats it thats it
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• 210[01:38:12] <preaction> either way, if you can use one of those IPs and achieve telnet success, that's the interface its listening on. netstat should also be able to tell you that information
• 211[01:38:24] <Onemorenickname_> on the eth0 interface, i get some other IP, but i get a connection refused
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• 213[01:38:27] <preaction> netstat -l i think is what you want
• 214[01:39:16] <preaction> it's also possible that the firewall is messing with you, so you might want to check that. but connection refused usually means that the port isn't really open
• 215[01:39:32] <preaction> and i gotta go, so someone else will have to pick up from here. good luck
• 216[01:39:35] <Onemorenickname_> preaction, you were write
• 217[01:39:37] <Onemorenickname_> it works now
• 218[01:39:37] <Onemorenickname_> thanks
• 219[01:39:45] <preaction> ah, cheers then
• 220[01:39:46] <Onemorenickname_> (i had to telnet debian, and not telnet localhost)
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• 222[01:40:08] <Onemorenickname_> i'll check online why its that so
• 223[01:40:10] <Onemorenickname_> thank you
• 224[01:40:22] <Atm0spher1c> might be your hostname, or try 127.0.0.1
• 225[01:40:22] <preaction> that's name resolution. check /etc/hosts most likely, or the "host" command
• 226[01:40:31] <preaction> but, right, really & now
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• 329[02:44:43] <happy_hacker> I have the netinst on USB stick
• 330[02:44:50] <happy_hacker> been reading and about here replaced-url
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• 332[02:45:26] <happy_hacker> my laptop's native res is 3200x1800 on a 15" screen; can I change this at the initial grub boot screen?
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• 334[02:45:42] <happy_hacker> the text is very small
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• 336[02:46:02] <ryouma> happy_hacker: yes, i think so. /etc/default/grub* or something might have a setting.
• 337[02:46:23] <Josh``> I need transmission-daemon to write directly to my CIFS fileserver. Is it possible to run the transmission-daemon as an ActiveDirectory user so that it has write access?
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• 339[02:46:45] <ryouma> happy_hacker: i have GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
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• 342[02:47:45] <ryouma> happy_hacker: but beware: the kernel or grub or initrd screw up and sometimes go back to native. accessibility needs attention in debian.
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• 345[02:50:14] <happy_hacker> ryouma: so I chose the grub prompt; typed GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 but enter just clears and goes to a new line ... grub>
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• 355[02:54:08] <happy_hacker> ryouma: got it
• 356[02:54:12] <happy_hacker> thanks for your help
• 357[02:54:25] <happy_hacker> now my touchpad doesn't work ;)
• 358[02:54:41] <happy_hacker> but touchscreen does
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• 378[03:01:37] <itsmygalaxy> hi
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• 400[03:19:37] <RoyK> sometimes the dmesg timestamps (with -T) are rather confusing replaced-url
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• 404[03:21:38] <themill> RoyK: suspend/resume? or is it in UTC?
• 405[03:21:49] <themill> no, not UTC
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• 408[03:24:35] <RoyK> themill: CET - no suspend/resume on this thing - it's my home server
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• 425[03:33:45] <random_numbers> How would one go about getting a debian-wiki page edited, like the one about QEMU?
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• 427[03:34:15] <missmbob> you click edit
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• 429[03:34:42] <random_numbers> There's no need for an account or anything?
• 430[03:35:03] <missmbob> yes. register, login. click edit on whatever page
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• 432[03:35:35] <random_numbers> Ah. Alright. I just felt that it may be useful to more publicly advertise that usermode-networking port-forwarding in QEMU is a thing.
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• 434[03:35:59] <random_numbers> I'll get around to adding it eventually, I guess.
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• 437[03:37:20] <random_numbers> Thanks.
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• 486[04:05:10] <roger`> how do you lock an user inside his home directory
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• 491[04:11:07] <texnofobix> roger`: lock inside?
• 492[04:11:17] <texnofobix> jail / chroot?
• 493[04:11:28] <texnofobix> also do you plan on them doing anything?
• 494[04:12:03] <ryouma> i guess he wants the user to execute from /usr/bin but operate only on home dir paths?
• 495[04:12:17] <ryouma> and set tmpdir to home?
• 496[04:12:58] <roger`> i want to make sure that if someone gains access to the machine with that user, they can't mess anything up
• 497[04:14:04] <ryouma> the system is typically designed to allow maximum permissions that don't cause problems
• 498[04:15:33] <texnofobix> yep
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• 501[04:15:52] <texnofobix> if you dont want them to go into others folders, set their group from users to their own group
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• 504[04:16:20] <roger`> ok that should be good
• 505[04:16:50] <roger`> i want to make sure its impossible to get a payload from that user
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• 507[04:16:57] <roger`> just in case it gets compromised
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• 509[04:17:49] <ryouma> vm
• 510[04:18:04] <roger`> that's what i'm thinking about
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• 512[04:18:15] <happy_hacker> great passwords are helpful
• 513[04:18:18] <roger`> but i want to be able to use diagnostic tools from that user
• 514[04:18:48] <ryouma> virtualbox can do all sorts of tricks
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• 516[04:19:36] <roger`> i dont allow ssh password login so that is covered
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• 518[04:19:45] <roger`> im a bit paranoid i guess
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• 520[04:20:37] <roger`> lets say i want to share files over sftp with a friend, if i give him a way to login with that user, and if somehow the login gets compromised
• 521[04:20:52] <roger`> i don't know if its a good idea at all to open it like that
• 522[04:20:56] <roger`> probably not
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• 524[04:21:53] <roger`> i will open a vm instead or use docker
• 525[04:23:19] <missmbob> you can login with a certificate. dont need a password for sftp
• 526[04:23:51] <roger`> yes
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• 533[04:28:21] <roger`> i meant if someone gets the certificate
• 534[04:28:30] <roger`> someone who shouldn't
• 535[04:29:01] <roger`> and i dont want the guy i share it with to access anything but a couple files i choose to share
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• 540[04:29:42] <missmbob> vsftpd (and i'm sure most other servers) have user based chroot you can use.
• 541[04:29:53] <missmbob> they'll be locked in that folder
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• 547[04:32:13] <roger`> i need encrypted protocol
• 548[04:32:25] <missmbob> vsftpd does that
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• 550[04:32:37] <roger`> its ftps ?
• 551[04:33:14] <roger`> or sftp
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• 554[04:34:56] <missmbob> sftp
• 555[04:35:04] <roger`> ok nice
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• 563[04:39:56] <jack_rip_vim> what is the default username and password at debian live cd
• 564[04:39:58] <jack_rip_vim> ?
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• 571[04:43:02] <jack_rip_vim> no one online now?
• 572[04:43:34] <dvs> no one that knows the answer to your question
• 573[04:44:01] <jack_rip_vim> it is a live created by debian
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• 575[04:44:13] <missmbob> !live user
• 576[04:44:13] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
• 577[04:44:37] <missmbob> jack_rip_vim: ^
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• 579[04:45:02] <jack_rip_vim> ok, thanks
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• 582[04:47:26] <jack_rip_vim> never know it need username and password now~
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• 607[05:07:25] <happy_hacker> after doing a netinst then rebooting I issued "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoremove"
• 608[05:07:59] <happy_hacker> nvm
• 609[05:08:07] <happy_hacker> had some line start with :
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• 611[05:08:25] <happy_hacker> somehow I got paste it and more output
• 612[05:08:30] <happy_hacker> s/paste/past
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• 638[05:22:52] <gallo_mobile> is there a way to install OS on SSD and several internal HDD drives as JBOD within the /home/user during installation?
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• 640[05:23:31] <GALL0> JBOD as /home/user/media
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• 647[05:38:28] <happy_hacker> I have strange problem
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• 655[05:39:26] <happy_hacker> login manager keeps saying "Type of message, '(ssssssssb)', does not match ex...
• 656[05:39:28] <happy_hacker> wth?
• 657[05:40:09] <happy_hacker> now I clicked Log in as another user and nothing but black screen
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• 663[05:50:46] <happy_hacker> fixed
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• 697[06:37:30] <donofrio> ow do I fix my system, I tried to update-pepperflash but I get this tinyurl.com/h57ahu5 dpkg error?
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• 701[06:41:27] <missmbob> donofrio: yeah that doesnt work anymore. for pepperflash look at replaced-url
• 702[06:41:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 708[06:43:16] <donofrio> missmbob, i'm 32 bit chromium fwiw
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• 710[06:44:00] <missmbob> donofrio: oh you're trying to get it specifically for chromium? i don't think you can do that anymore
• 711[06:44:06] <missmbob> not 32bit
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• 782[07:43:32] <dmtd> hi all! so I did a bad thing. I just got a new hard drive. I did the fstab and setup a mount point and everything. Then i started copying data to the mount point...but wasn't thinking. I needed to reboot my box for the mount point to actually work. needless to say my drive is now showing as full. Where did the files go if the drive wasn't actually mounted?
• 783[07:44:14] <dmtd> I can't sort with du because I have zero disk space. I filled up my OS drive :(
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• 792[07:49:19] <jolt> find / ?
• 793[07:49:56] <jolt> dmtd: would be much easier to answer if we know the cmdline for your copy
• 794[07:50:41] <dmtd> jolt: mv /media/oldDrive/opt/tvshows /media/extDrive/tvshows
• 795[07:50:56] <dmtd> jolt: oldDrive was mounted properly, extDrive wasn't
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• 797[07:51:11] <jolt> dmtd: isn't it in /media/extDrive then?
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• 799[07:51:53] <dmtd> jolt: no, the folder is empty, but the system is complaining that it is out of disk space, and I can't figure out where it went! Isn't there some sort of temp folder where this stuff goes?
• 800[07:52:06] <jolt> nope
• 801[07:52:09] <jolt> not with mv
• 802[07:52:29] <dmtd> jolt: so...why am I out of disk space haha
• 803[07:52:35] <jolt> but if you run find you will see all files and perhaps recognise some of the files?
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• 807[07:53:14] <dmtd> right ok what would you recommend running? like du and pipe into find?
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• 832[08:07:26] <dmtd> jolt?
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• 842[08:11:55] <awal1> dpkg: why you not functional?
• 843[08:11:56] <dpkg> awal1: i don't know
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• 860[08:19:40] <cimol> excs me, im confusing with this one, when i start networkmanager to connect to wifi, then there's a random-like name network, is it possible to rootkit/malware or another kinds? thanks
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• 862[08:20:56] <cimol> replaced-url
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• 866[08:22:56] <awal1> cimol: about rootkits: you have a few tools for check, if any: chkrootkit/rkhunter
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• 872[08:25:38] <lindylex> My Debian install right before grub load shows me a screen with 10 rectangles of different colors. How do I fix this?
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• 874[08:27:12] <cimol> oke thanks awal1 , i scan then no infected, just confuse about it, but already answered hehe
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• 904[08:40:56] <awal1> cimol: I don't know if you have rootkit or not; no clue. And chkrootkit/rkhunter results isn't 100 guaranteed. So you may want to investigate/ask more...
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• 909[08:44:56] <bizarrefish> Hi all
• 910[08:45:35] <bizarrefish> I'm a programmer with some free time, wanting to get started on debian bugs. Should I just go straight to the bugtracker?
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• 912[08:46:43] <petemc> replaced-url
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• 916[08:47:25] * bizarrefish reads
• 917[08:47:26] <bizarrefish> thx
• 918[08:47:41] <dmtd> lsblk says that my entire 49 G partition is full. du says I'm only using 1.8G. Anyone know what is going on here?
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• 920[08:48:15] <bizarrefish> dmtd: What filesystem are you using on there?
• 921[08:48:30] <dmtd> bizarrefish: I believe ext3
• 922[08:48:44] <jelly> dmtd: pastebin the output of both.
• 923[08:48:46] <zmitya> hi Guys.. I have a Jessie, a few days ago, the enigmail plugin started to complain about it GPG. It said that I should upgrade to gpg2.x however I already had gpg2 installed ...
• 924[08:48:57] <jelly> !paste
• 925[08:48:57] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 926[08:49:05] <pingfloyd> dmtd: do you have sparse files?
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• 928[08:49:44] <bizarrefish> pingfloyd: They shouldn't show up in lsblk though, should they? unless there was a bug in there.
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• 931[08:50:17] <zmitya> now when I start TB, it always complains about gpg, however it is there. When I browse it, it says it is not a GPG executable: replaced-url
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• 933[08:50:33] <zmitya> any ideas how to solve this ?
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• 935[08:50:59] <zmitya> note: currently /usr/bin/gpg is a symlink to /usr/bin/gpg2
• 936[08:51:06] <zmitya> but did not helped..
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• 940[08:52:15] <pingfloyd> dmtd: what about compared to du --apparent-size
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• 948[08:56:21] <dmtd> jelly, pingfloyd, bizarrefish: replaced-url
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• 954[08:58:01] <zmitya> just found it, it is a known issue: replaced-url
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• 956[08:59:29] <dmtd> pingfloyd: I'm not sure if I have sparse files to be honest. This all started because I was an idiot and copied files to a mount point that wasn't mounted so the OS disk which is small compared to the one that would be mounted filled up, then I rebooted, and the disk mounted, and the files are gone, and my disk is full...but I can't find the files
• 957[09:00:18] <pingfloyd> dmtd: whatever directory is under the mount is going to disappear while the other fs is mounted
• 958[09:00:28] <pingfloyd> its contents
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• 962[09:01:10] <dmtd> pingfloyd: ah ha! that would explain where it is hiding! so I just need to do an unmount?
• 963[09:01:28] <pingfloyd> dmtd: that should show what is there yes
• 964[09:01:35] <dmtd> ok one moment
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• 966[09:01:53] <pingfloyd> dmtd: fs mounted to mountpoint (directory) shows contents of the fs mounted.
• 967[09:02:09] <pingfloyd> dmtd: you can even stack mounts continually like this
• 968[09:02:34] <pingfloyd> whatever is on "top" is what will be visible
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• 970[09:03:11] <dmtd> so I do like unmount /media/extDrive? or unmount /dev/sdb1?
• 971[09:03:39] <dmtd> and pingfloyd that's crazy! I never knew this
• 972[09:03:49] <pingfloyd> you can use either mountpoint of device as arg for umount
• 973[09:03:57] <dmtd> ok
• 974[09:04:48] <dmtd> pingfloyd: OMG ALL THE STUFF IS THERE
• 975[09:05:02] <dmtd> you are a life saver
• 976[09:05:07] <pingfloyd> no problem
• 977[09:05:15] <pingfloyd> sounds like you got it from here
• 978[09:05:17] <dmtd> thank you so much!
• 979[09:05:20] <dmtd> yeah thank you!!!
• 980[09:05:25] <pingfloyd> you're welcome
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• 1013[09:19:19] <talur_> Hi
• 1014[09:19:33] <talur_> help
• 1015[09:19:37] <talur_> ups
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• 1024[09:30:31] <mazert> hello, i'm using kmail under sid branch. Offline documentation isn't available, how I can install it ? thanks
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• 1029[09:32:00] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1030[09:32:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1035[09:33:24] <awal1> mazert: kde main/root menu have an entry for help stuff, you may find something related to kmail there
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• 1037[09:34:32] <mazert> awal1: yes i did it, it opens khelpcenter with a page saying : "documentation not found"
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• 1039[09:34:48] <mazert> i move to #debian-next
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• 1041[09:35:27] <jelly> no idea how plasma5 is packaged, sorry
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• 1044[09:36:33] <bazhang> try #kde for that mazert
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• 1047[09:37:59] <TomTomTo1> or maybe #debian-kde :>
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• 1059[09:48:54] <awal1> mazert: probably many help stuff are missing/always missing under sid /testing being a development/testing branch. Iguess, full help of X pkg is entirely pkged in stable only
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• 1066[09:50:27] <jelly> awal1: that doesn't make sense -- uploads going to sid have to be made ready for inclusion in next release, there's no magic point where documentation gets added after
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• 1070[09:52:50] <awal1> jelly: my idea was: some stuff aren't packaged yet, maybe
• 1071[09:53:05] <awal1> like translations
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• 1075[09:54:24] <mazert> awal1: it is strange because with gnome in sid, i've got all the docs with translations
• 1076[09:54:52] <mazert> under kde only some softwares have missing docs
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• 1079[09:55:39] <awal1> mazert: i dont use kde, but I dont think that all kde apps have a help pkg (for offline use)
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• 1084[09:56:40] <awal1> same for gnome or any other DE
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• 1088[09:58:27] <mazert> awal1: what DE do you use ?
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• 1090[09:59:15] <awal1> mazert: no one. I only use openbox WM
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• 1094[10:00:56] <awal1> well, I used kde in the past; I know how it works
• 1095[10:01:58] <mazert> I used openbox before :)
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• 1097[10:03:00] <mazert> well i will continue to discover kde with online docs
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• 1103[10:05:33] <cerbere> greetings, using debian testing with a HD radeon 7950 gpu and the free radeon drivers, works fine, but i wondered if I could use the new amdgpu or if that means I have t recompile the kernel ?
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• 1125[10:16:33] <icebrain> cerbere: seems like the driver is available as a package (xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu)
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• 1127[10:16:51] <icebrain> usually they don't require kernel compilation, they're pluggable modules, afaik
• 1128[10:16:59] <icebrain> but i'm not sure about amdgpu in particular
• 1129[10:17:18] <bazhang> amd lists which cards are supported
• 1130[10:18:06] <icebrain> still, I don't think your card is officially supported, so it probably won't load anyway
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• 1133[10:18:44] <cerbere> ok seems lik southern islands cards are experimentally supported from kernel 4.9
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• 1175[10:42:24] <n93013> How do I stop debian lists from sending me email that I have unprescribed from number of times but somehow it keeps sending me messages
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• 1182[10:46:14] <nkuttler> n93013: report a bug, that shouldn't happen. include as much info as you can, address, when you unsubscribed, how, when you received another mail, etc
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• 1186[10:47:55] <nkuttler> n93013: package lists.debian.org
• 1187[10:48:09] <nkuttler> !tell n93013 about reportbug
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• 1263[11:30:57] <ramon> Hello
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• 1265[11:31:31] <Guest91816> Hello
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• 1270[11:34:26] <Guest91816> Hello
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• 1289[11:40:46] <joegiampaoli> Can someone help me with an ubuntu install issue? I know this is specifically Debian, I also use Debian on my main PC, but on laptop I'm having an issue with the installation with ubuntu. it detects my partitions as /dev/sdb* and not /dev/sda* any hints? Thanks!
• 1290[11:40:54] <Guest91816> Hi is someone there?
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• 1292[11:41:45] <Guest91816> Are you installing ubuntu alone or with windows?
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• 1296[11:42:48] <Screamslash> how do i force a program in debian to run windowed?
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• 1299[11:43:18] <joegiampaoli> Guest91816: No windows, just another ubuntu in another partition for other type of work...
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• 1304[11:44:51] <Guest91816> Ok, so when you open de partition of ubuntu, you would have the Ubuntu partition (1 or more) and other partition with free space; so install on the free space, it does'nt matter the letter because it's other partition with other name
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• 1310[11:47:56] <mohammad-ghasemi> when I move the mouse I hear a noise from the speakers. How to cancel that out?
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• 1313[11:48:35] <OpenTokix> mohammad-ghasemi: Switch usb-port, if that doesent work - switch irq for your sound hardware in bios.
• 1314[11:49:07] <mohammad-ghasemi> OpenTokix: thank you!
• 1315[11:49:22] <mohammad-ghasemi> OpenTokix: I'll be back.
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• 1317[11:49:27] <OpenTokix> mohammad-ghasemi: Very common problem with built in sound hardware (yes, it is a pile of crud usually). If you are intrested in getting good sound. Get a external D/A
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• 1320[11:50:16] <bezaban> would making sure the pc is grounded maybe have an effect?
• 1321[11:50:18] <joegiampaoli> Guest91816: OK, so they are just names, correct! Thanks! :)
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• 1326[11:51:43] <OpenTokix> bezaban: yes, also - but might give other problems if all sound hardware is not grounded also.
• 1327[11:51:49] <Guest91816> You're welcome
• 1328[11:52:00] <OpenTokix> bezaban: And they should be grounded at the same point etc.
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• 1332[11:52:44] <bezaban> OpenTokix: yeah, indeed, but worth a try
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• 1334[11:52:53] <OpenTokix> bezaban: yes
• 1335[11:53:08] <OpenTokix> But the problem person described is from software interrupts
• 1336[11:53:29] <bezaban> ah right. I'm being careful because I don't work with sound much
• 1337[11:53:43] <Screamslash> how do i force a program in debian to run windowed?
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• 1339[11:54:11] <Guest91816> Is someone using BunsenLabs? I'm using it
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• 1346[11:55:14] <Screamslash> im familiar with it guest91816
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• 1348[11:56:03] <Guest91816> And I like it because it's efficient, like debian jessie ran really well on my computer. Which is your more efficient distro?
• 1349[11:56:11] <OpenTokix> Screamslash: Its not debian, is your application and window manager that handles that. Some do not even allow windowed mode.
• 1350[11:56:26] <Screamslash> well i need it allowed
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• 1356[11:57:41] <Iridos> Screamslash, I guess you mean "windowed" vs "take over X to run fullscreen"… if the program options don't allow it, you can try to run it inside a vnc session on localhost
• 1357[11:57:44] <buhtz> hi @all. stupid question: I lost the menu line in a window. I clicked to fast and to much around. I remember there was a general keyboard shortcut to bring a menu back. ;)
• 1358[11:58:00] <Screamslash> yes i need it to run inside a window not fullscreen
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• 1360[11:58:24] <n4dir> won't hurt to know what app we are speaking of
• 1361[11:58:43] * buhtz using Xfce4 on Debian unstable and HexChat
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• 1363[11:59:23] <Screamslash> "dungeon crawl" its an old roguelike on the repos
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• 1367[12:00:06] <lss8_> how could one abuse CVE-2016-4484 ? after all the harddrive is encrypted. how does getting access to "root" help in any way?
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• 1370[12:00:26] <cokolwiek> hey
• 1371[12:00:39] <buhtz> n4dir: It is HexChat running with Xfce
• 1372[12:00:40] <cokolwiek> something happened and now apt has problems with GPG
• 1373[12:00:52] <Screamslash> i need to run dungeon crawl in a window but nothing lets me
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• 1375[12:01:07] <cokolwiek> W: The repository 'replaced-url
• 1376[12:01:08] <cokolwiek> etc.
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• 1379[12:01:19] <n4dir> buhtz: i meant Screamslash. xchat says keyboard-shortcut is ctlr + F9 (but sure enough it doesn work ... )
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• 1381[12:01:34] <Screamslash> did you test it?
• 1382[12:01:36] <cokolwiek> how do I fix this most simply? (tried googling for an answer like four times, but nothing helped)
• 1383[12:02:13] <Screamslash> alt+f9 does not work
• 1384[12:02:26] <Screamslash> ctrl+f9*** does not work
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• 1386[12:02:41] <Iridos> ,CVE-2016-4484
• 1387[12:02:50] <Iridos> meh.
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• 1389[12:03:26] <n4dir> buhtz: but at least for xchat there is ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf, which contains gui_hide_menu = 1
• 1390[12:03:26] <n4dir>
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• 1394[12:04:10] <lae> Iridos: looking for this? replaced-url
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• 1397[12:05:14] <Guest91816> IMPORTANT. Which is the most efficient linux distro? Only distros proved. (for me BunsenLabs)
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• 1399[12:05:34] <n4dir> nothing important about that.
• 1400[12:05:35] <lae> lss8_: there are I guess other things you could possibly do, but yeah the drive's still encrypted so (imo) it's not /that/ severe an issue
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• 1402[12:06:05] <mohammad-ghasemi> OpenTokix: There was nothing called irq in bios.
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• 1404[12:06:22] <Screamslash> the only 2 distros i use are point linux and bunsen labs
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• 1406[12:07:28] <sh00p> what's the diff between debian + openbox and bunsen labs?
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• 1410[12:08:30] <n4dir> sh00p: bunsen comes with what some call comfort and others call bloat.
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• 1412[12:08:44] <n4dir> compared with debian+openbox, of course
• 1413[12:08:57] <BotaniCar> sh00p: their web states "The distribution consists of configuration and resource packages installed on top of Debian. There are no changes to the way the Debian base system is administrated" I'D SAY BLOAT IS THE DIFF
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• 1415[12:09:07] <sh00p> ah
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• 1417[12:09:10] <sh00p> that aint fo' me!
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• 1419[12:09:17] <buhtz> n4dir: ctrl+F9 should normaly work, you are right. but Xfce is "eating" it. ;) right-Clicking into the chat window brought a menu back. thanks
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• 1421[12:09:26] <Guest91816> For me, it's the result of both. If you like to waste time you could install it, if you like to proved the results then BunsenLabs.
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• 1423[12:10:05] <lae> i use something called ansible
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• 1425[12:10:27] <sh00p> i like debootstrap or netinst, and then just add what i like... not a fan of openbox either way, xfce all the way
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• 1441[12:16:02] <cokolwiek> please help me with that GPG stuff
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• 1453[12:22:15] <lae> cokolwiek: paste the output of "sudo apt-key update" and "apt-key list"
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• 1456[12:23:43] <lae> (though I'd assume that first would resolve it since that's a mirror)
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• 1463[12:26:51] <HenryHoneyBee> !pain
• 1464[12:26:52] <dpkg> i heard pain is just a different kind of feeling
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• 1468[12:28:22] <no_gravity> Hello! cutycapt is a super useful tool to render urls. But it does not work with self signed certificates. It just hangs forever if you try to load a url then. Any ideas how to fix that?
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• 1473[12:30:21] <no_gravity> There is a bug for this on debian.org:
• 1474[12:30:24] <no_gravity> replaced-url
• 1475[12:30:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1497[12:41:40] <happy_hacker> still doing an install, but I've run out of space on / so I just want to ask, before resizing the LVM, is a 32GiB disk too small?
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• 1499[12:42:12] <no_gravity> happy_hacker: I usually use 10G for debian.
• 1500[12:42:22] <happy_hacker> Gnome DE is installed, and running ... working on getting a grsec kernel atm
• 1501[12:42:52] <happy_hacker> ok, so resizing vg-home to give vg-root more space should fix this
• 1502[12:43:11] <happy_hacker> it's encrypted, so I'll search and read
• 1503[12:43:14] <happy_hacker> thanks no_gravity
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• 1510[12:46:40] <cokolwiek> lae: replaced-url
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• 1513[12:47:15] <cokolwiek> the same still happens
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• 1516[12:48:01] <boxrick1> I run the following command, which in theory should wipe the partition table of all disks beginning with /dev/sd*. However when I run it, it shows data has been copied but it hasn't worked.
• 1517[12:48:03] <boxrick1> ls /dev/sd* | grep -v [0-9] | while read disks ; do /bin/dd if=/dev/zero of=\$disks bs=512 count=1 conv=noerror ; done;
• 1518[12:48:10] <cokolwiek> lae: and the output from "apt-get update": replaced-url
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• 1522[12:50:41] <qqx> boxrick1: I don't think you need a backslash in that command, check if you've created a literal /dev/$disks file.
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• 1525[12:51:00] <boxrick1> The backslash is simply so it works in the pre-seed early command
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• 1527[12:51:19] <boxrick1> It doesn't break things so I just left it, but ill have a quick look
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• 1530[12:52:24] <qqx> Ahh, if there's an extra level of interpretation beyond the shell it may be needed.
• 1531[12:52:28] <boxrick1> It is definitely running, I have also tried using conv=fsync. Yet I run it manually for an individual disk and it wipes that partition table
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• 1544[12:58:09] <no_gravity> Any ideas how I can check the version of cutycapt I have?
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• 1559[13:01:45] <n4dir> boxrick1 ar you sure ls /dev/sd* | grep -v [0-9] ; outputs what you want?
• 1560[13:01:54] <boxrick1> Yea, double checked it
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• 1562[13:02:04] <boxrick1> Its really strange
• 1563[13:02:28] <boxrick1> I am going to build an array and iterate over that instead to see if I get similar results
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• 1568[13:04:34] <no_gravity> Nobody? How do you check the version of an installed program?
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• 1572[13:05:29] <n4dir> i usually do "program -v" and if that doesn't work --version, and if that doesn't work man
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• 1574[13:05:52] <SynrGy> oh, don't give up there. :) there's also -V or even -version ;)
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• 1576[13:05:59] <ransur0t> apt-cache policy <package>
• 1577[13:06:11] <n4dir> SynrG thanks. i give up too early, it seems.
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• 1579[13:06:24] <SynrGy> but yes, what ransur0t said if you want to check the debian version
• 1580[13:06:25] <no_gravity> n4dir, SynrGy None of those work for cutycapt.
• 1581[13:06:29] <lae> cokolwiek: your keys look fine. can you just clear the apt cache and retry? "apt-get clean" and remove /var/lib/apt/lists/*, then try updating again
• 1582[13:06:37] <SynrGy> but that only works on package names
• 1583[13:06:37] <happy_hacker> no_gravity: dpkg -
• 1584[13:06:40] <happy_hacker> no_gravity: dpkg -l
• 1585[13:06:55] <themill> no_gravity: it looks rather like that program is a bit too immature to have a version
• 1586[13:06:56] <no_gravity> happy_hacker: That looks good!
• 1587[13:06:57] <n4dir> for the debian version i do apt-cache policy packagename, no?
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• 1591[13:07:31] <SynrGy> n4dir: that's assuming you know what packagename goes with what program, yes
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• 1596[13:07:57] <n4dir> then probably apt-file ...
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• 1598[13:08:05] <no_gravity> So according to debian.org it cutycapts ssl bug has been fixed: replaced-url
• 1599[13:08:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1601[13:08:21] <no_gravity> What does that mean? I still see the old version with the bug.
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• 1603[13:08:51] <no_gravity> "We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
• 1604[13:08:53] <no_gravity> cutycapt, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive."
• 1605[13:08:58] <no_gravity> Ok... now what?
• 1606[13:09:12] <n4dir> no_gravity: as the picture shows, it has beeen fixed in testing/unstable.
• 1607[13:09:13] <themill> no_gravity: which release of debian are you running?
• 1608[13:09:19] <no_gravity> themill: 8
• 1609[13:09:25] <SynrGy> no_gravity: so your question should've been "version of an installed package", and the apt-policy answer is correct
• 1610[13:09:34] <no_gravity> n4dir: Oh, so I will get it in like 5 years :)
• 1611[13:09:44] <SynrGy> well, there's:
• 1612[13:09:45] <SynrGy> !ssb
• 1613[13:09:46] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1614[13:09:58] <SynrGy> ,v cutycapt
• 1615[13:10:00] <judd> Package: cutycapt on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.0~svn6-3; jessie: 0.0~svn6-3.1; stretch: 0.0~svn10-0.1; sid: 0.0~svn10-0.1
• 1616[13:10:08] <SynrGy> ,checkbackport cutycapt
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• 1618[13:10:14] <judd> Backporting package cutycapt in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 1619[13:10:25] <SynrGy> no_gravity: have fun. looks like it's possible
• 1620[13:10:27] <no_gravity> SynrGy: The svn10 one is the good one I think.
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• 1622[13:11:03] <no_gravity> SynrGy: What would be the steps to get the svn10 version?
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• 1624[13:11:20] <SynrGy> no_gravity: as per ssb factoid above.
• 1625[13:11:37] <no_gravity> dpkg: The factoid starts with "if unavailable"
• 1626[13:11:38] <dpkg> no_gravity: I wish you would RTFM.
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• 1628[13:11:52] <no_gravity> SynrGy: But as I understand it, it *is* available?
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• 1631[13:12:02] <SynrGy> no_gravity: it is unavailable (in debian 8) as per the ',v cutycapt' output above
• 1632[13:12:20] <no_gravity> "First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable..."
• 1633[13:12:31] <SynrGy> no_gravity: exactly. a backport is unavailable.
• 1634[13:12:39] <SynrGy> so, you make one of your own as per ssbn
• 1635[13:12:42] <SynrGy> ssb*
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• 1637[13:12:57] <no_gravity> Adding repositories and doing compilations and stuff?
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• 1639[13:13:18] <SynrGy> no_gravity: adding a deb-src line is not "adding a repository" but yes
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• 1641[13:13:27] <n4dir> you would probably have alreday done the self-made backport if you would have immediatly followed the advise, just saying.
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• 1644[13:14:09] <SynrGy> no_gravity: i.e. this in no way taints your system with sid. it only gives you the sources that sid has so that you can use them to build your own jessie package.
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• 1647[13:14:21] <no_gravity> I find it scary to install stuff from sid into my Debian 8 system.
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• 1651[13:14:32] <themill> Good thing that you're not then
• 1652[13:14:35] <SynrGy> and judd helpfully tells us all the dependencies of cutycapt are satisfiable within jessie, so all you need is to rebuild the newer source
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• 1654[13:14:56] <SynrGy> no_gravity: it's not "stuff from sid". it's a single source. it's not like dragging in a whole bunch of library deps ...
• 1655[13:15:00] <SynrGy> it's one leaf-node package
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• 1657[13:15:15] <no_gravity> What means "Add a deb-src line for sid"?
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• 1659[13:15:18] <SynrGy> the risk to your system is exactly this: you break the one package you're trying to build. nothing more.
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• 1667[13:15:46] <SynrGy> no_gravity: same as "add a deb" line except it starts with "deb-src", not "deb":
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• 1669[13:16:01] <SynrGy> !sid sources.list
• 1670[13:16:01] <dpkg> If you don't know enough about Debian to do this yourself, you won't know enough about Debian to fix the problems you *will* encounter. Please spend some months or years learning about Debian first. Sorry.
• 1671[13:16:07] <SynrGy> oops. it doesn't offer that
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• 1675[13:16:20] <themill> no_gravity: do /msg dpkg keyword as cross-referenced within what dpkg has already said
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• 1679[13:16:59] <no_gravity> So the line starts with "deb-src" but what follows then?
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• 1681[13:17:33] <n4dir> no_gravity: your sources list usually should contain deb-src lines, but commented out, look at them for refrence
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• 1683[13:18:13] <no_gravity> I only see this line:
• 1684[13:18:16] <no_gravity> deb-src replaced-url
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• 1687[13:18:31] <no_gravity> But that does not specify a single package.
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• 1692[13:20:13] <n4dir> you only got one line in your sources.list?
• 1693[13:20:23] <no_gravity> only one deb-src line.
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• 1695[13:20:57] <cokolwiek> lae: still the same
• 1696[13:21:01] <n4dir> ah, ok. Anyway, there you go: replaced-url
• 1697[13:21:03] <themill> no_gravity: did you «/msg dpkg deb-src sid» yet?
• 1698[13:21:04] <no_gravity> n4dir: The other two lines just start with "deb "
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• 1700[13:21:30] <menace> can i see at runtime perhaps in proc if my kernel was compiled with the stack-protector?
• 1701[13:21:43] <no_gravity> themill: Yes, but that sounds scary because it seems to make available all sid to my debian 8.
• 1702[13:22:11] <no_gravity> themill: It suggests this line: deb-src replaced-url
• 1703[13:22:13] <themill> That's not what it says at all.
• 1704[13:22:18] <themill> correct
• 1705[13:22:19] <no_gravity> themill: That's not just a single package.
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• 1707[13:22:34] <themill> It's not any binary packages.
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• 1712[13:24:13] <n4dir> no_gravity: you missunderstand what a deb-src line in sources list does. It does't make any binary packages available, but sources, hence src
• 1713[13:24:38] <n4dir> so adding the sid line makes the sources available to you, but not all the packages of sid ( in binary form).
• 1714[13:24:53] <Iridos> to what would I need to set LANG or so to read an ISO-8859 text with umlauts?
• 1715[13:24:59] <n4dir> hence upgrades and dist-upgrades and installing packages is not concerned by that.
• 1716[13:25:27] <no_gravity> If I would put that line into my sources, what would then be the command to get the cutycapt source?
• 1717[13:25:31] <n4dir> But if it really bugs you that much (good choice, btw), you might go for a chroot to build the according package. check debootstrap and how to use it
• 1718[13:25:53] <n4dir> !ssb
• 1719[13:25:54] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1720[13:26:18] <no_gravity> n4dir: I read that. I just don't get how it gets the source for cutycapt.
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• 1722[13:26:30] <no_gravity> n4dir: "apt-get -b source cutycapt"?
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• 1725[13:27:05] <n4dir> apt-get -b source packagename ... you said it. -b probably means build, as the next sentence already advises you to install the resulting deb
• 1726[13:27:17] <themill> these tools even have man pages
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• 1728[13:27:32] <no_gravity> So if I put that sid line in my sources.list now all sources get downloaded from sid instead of debian 8?
• 1729[13:27:59] <n4dir> not downloaded, they are made available, in case you download one of them (or several)
• 1730[13:28:02] <no_gravity> Because "apt-get -b source cutycapt" has no indication its about sid.
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• 1733[13:28:24] <n4dir> but your sources list has the indication of sid
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• 1735[13:28:30] <themill> Did you try?
• 1736[13:28:33] <no_gravity> n4dir: Well, cutycapt is in debian 8 *and* in sid.
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• 1739[13:28:56] <no_gravity> So how does apt-get know I want sid?
• 1740[13:29:01] <n4dir> if two versions are available, deb-src for stabe and unstable, the higher version will be installed. well: usually ...
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• 1743[13:29:26] <no_gravity> Ok. So that line alters the behaviour of the system significantly.
• 1744[13:29:33] <no_gravity> It's not just about one package.
• 1745[13:29:36] <n4dir> and as far i can tell you ain't got no deb-src for 8 in your sources list anyway.
• 1746[13:29:52] <no_gravity> *all* sources will now be the sid versions.
• 1747[13:29:54] <themill> no_gravity: given that you've never downloaded a source package before, no.
• 1748[13:29:54] <n4dir> no_gravity: we've already been there. I will give up now.
• 1749[13:29:57] <icebrain> no_gravity: yes, but you can remove it afterwards
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• 1752[13:30:07] <no_gravity> icebrain: Yeah...
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• 1754[13:30:19] <no_gravity> What would happen if I simply download the binary for sid?
• 1755[13:30:26] <themill> *facepalm*
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• 1780[13:45:10] <Guest20821> hi
• 1781[13:45:18] <no_gravity> yo Guest20821
• 1782[13:45:55] <hugleo> cat /proc/net/nf_conntrack | wc -l -> 177336
• 1783[13:46:20] <hugleo> I think i'll change my firewall to stateless :D
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• 1785[13:46:58] <no_gravity> hugleo: What are those lines?
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• 1789[13:47:51] <hugleo> no_gravity: most forward established connections :)
• 1790[13:48:18] <no_gravity> hugleo: You have 177k open connections?
• 1791[13:48:41] <hugleo> sure :)
• 1792[13:49:01] <no_gravity> In which environment?
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• 1797[13:51:24] <hugleo> no_gravity: is a router server - HP ProLiant DL160 G6 12 GB Ram
• 1798[13:52:03] <no_gravity> hugleo: I mean in your home, at work, in a datacenter ... ?
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• 1800[13:52:41] <no_gravity> 177k means different things, depending if you are running facebook or just use irc from your living room.
• 1801[13:53:06] <hugleo> at work - mini datacenter :)
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• 1803[13:53:23] <no_gravity> I see.
• 1804[13:53:24] <hugleo> all kinds of traffic
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• 1830[14:07:22] <mylord> what’re some pop/recommended irc chat clients?
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• 1835[14:09:08] <ransur0t> mylord: I use irssi and hexchat, both with ssl
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• 1840[14:10:40] <no_gravity> mylord: irssi
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• 1900[14:30:48] <sh00p> so i'm on a ssh session to another computer running a few google-chrome browsers, can i see what sites they are visiting?
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• 1910[14:33:24] <OpenTokix> sh00p: yes, but I will not help you with that since it sounds like a invasion of privacy.
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• 1913[14:35:23] <JPT> sh00p: Fire up tcpdump or wireshark and find out :)
• 1914[14:35:23] <sh00p> hmm well the traffic is not constant tho is it?
• 1915[14:35:23] <sh00p> if i already loaded a website
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• 1919[14:35:33] <sh00p> OpenTokix: it's my own computer
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• 1923[14:35:49] <JPT> well, take screenshots or log in via vnc or so :)
• 1924[14:35:51] <sh00p> i'm worried i might have left something incriminating behind my screensaver, and my co-worker needs to use my computer
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• 1926[14:36:00] <sh00p> fml
• 1927[14:36:05] <JPT> kill the whole session?
• 1928[14:36:10] <JPT> might be way easier
• 1929[14:36:16] <sh00p> yeah well, he already used it
• 1930[14:36:25] <sh00p> i need to know - what he knows :)
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• 1932[14:37:32] <OpenTokix> sh00p: kill the browsers then
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• 1937[14:38:03] <cokolwiek> lae: any ideas?
• 1938[14:38:36] <JPT> Just propose to him in case that's what you want :D
• 1939[14:38:36] <sh00p> i guess i could vnc in
• 1940[14:38:36] <sh00p> might be the easiest way
• 1941[14:38:36] <JPT> your vnc activity will be displayed on screen, so watch out for that ;)
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• 1944[14:38:57] <sh00p> too late for that OpenTokix, now i need to know what was seen
• 1945[14:39:13] <sh00p> i dont remember if i left some bad stuff up or not, i might have :/
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• 1952[14:43:45] <hugleo> sh00p: look in browser history to last visited websites.
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• 1954[14:44:37] <sh00p> i know what i visited, i just need to know if that particular site is still open
• 1955[14:44:44] <sh00p> i got ssh and root and everything, it's my own computer lol
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• 1958[14:46:12] <OpenTokix> With no active traffic it might be hard.
• 1959[14:46:14] <sh00p> screw it, i'll just kill the computer and pray i didnt loose my job lol
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• 2014[15:05:25] <Horseleg> Hey guys. I was connected to my ssh-server just 3 hours ago, now it wont let me log in: "debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
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• 2018[15:05:37] <Horseleg> Connection closed by <ip addr>"
• 2019[15:05:58] <Horseleg> I did nothing to the configuration of ssh
• 2020[15:06:21] <Horseleg> I have seen the links replaced-url
• 2021[15:06:31] <Horseleg> and replaced-url
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• 2023[15:07:01] <Horseleg> But I did nothing to my authorized keys-files or anything similar.
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• 2028[15:08:11] <Plushwolf> Hi. How can I install Debian from my USB drive? I'm currently on Windows and have a USB drive, but don't to dd it etc. It's also bootable. What can I do?
• 2029[15:08:20] <Plushwolf> It's empty, but bootable.
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• 2038[15:12:17] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell Plushwolf about usb install
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• 2041[15:13:27] <Plushwolf> I don't want to Format my USB drive
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• 2043[15:14:17] <fguide> Plushwolf: so that's going to be a bit difficult
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• 2047[15:15:25] <Plushwolf> It's bootable. Isn't copy&paste of the the ISO Contents enough?
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• 2201[16:17:40] <proggry> I got a program (node debugger) running and I want to terminate it, but Ctrl-c doesn't work, even not subsequent ones.
• 2202[16:17:45] <proggry> Ctrl+d doesn't work either
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• 2204[16:17:58] <cokolwiek> maybe someone else could help me?
• 2205[16:18:00] <proggry> any way killing it quickly and cleanly? I don't want to look up its pid and kill it as root.
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• 2207[16:18:09] <proggry> cokolwiek: oh, I just joined, what was your isse?
• 2208[16:18:09] <cokolwiek> this is what happens when I do apt-get update: replaced-url
• 2209[16:18:10] <proggry> *issue
• 2210[16:18:20] <proggry> ah that :D
• 2211[16:18:28] <proggry> how I "love" these kind of errors
• 2212[16:18:30] <proggry> apt-key update
• 2213[16:18:31] <proggry> try that first
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• 2215[16:18:40] <cokolwiek> yeah, I tried
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• 2218[16:18:46] <proggry> ok, install debian keyring packages
• 2219[16:18:52] <cokolwiek> replaced-url
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• 2221[16:19:00] <proggry> apt-get install -y debian-keyring
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• 2223[16:19:17] <proggry> does that help?
• 2224[16:19:27] <proggry> and I see "testing" in apt souces, is that debian unstable or so?
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• 2227[16:20:40] <cokolwiek> no, it didn't help
• 2228[16:20:52] <proggry> cokolwiek: but it has been installed, yes?
• 2229[16:20:56] <cokolwiek> yes
• 2230[16:21:11] <cokolwiek> I'm not sure if I understand your question about testing
• 2231[16:21:16] <cokolwiek> I use Debian testing
• 2232[16:21:17] <proggry> cokolwiek: replaced-url
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• 2234[16:21:33] <proggry> try that - it isn't destructive
• 2235[16:21:45] <jelly> debian-keyring is not needed for apt. debian-archive-keying is.
• 2236[16:21:45] <proggry> (I think)
• 2237[16:21:50] <proggry> ah! that was it
• 2238[16:21:55] <jelly> debian-archive-keyring *
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• 2240[16:22:02] <proggry> yes, there are two packages, the second one for more exotic repos :P
• 2241[16:22:14] <jelly> it's not for repos at all, it's for people
• 2242[16:22:23] <jelly> debian developers and maintainers
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• 2246[16:22:55] <roger`> hi, i get theses errors when i hot plug a sata disk : replaced-url
• 2247[16:23:02] <roger`> should i be worried
• 2248[16:23:02] <cokolwiek> proggry: the solution from the first answer didn't help
• 2249[16:23:10] <cokolwiek> I'll try installing debian-archive-keyring
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• 2251[16:23:17] <cokolwiek> no
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• 2253[16:23:21] <cokolwiek> it's already installed
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• 2255[16:23:48] <proggry> roger: replaced-url
• 2256[16:23:57] <roger`> its not a boot error
• 2257[16:24:01] <proggry> cokolwiek: and the superuser forum instructions hadn't helped?
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• 2259[16:24:13] <roger`> its when i hot plug the hdd on a live system
• 2260[16:24:33] <cokolwiek> proggry: the first answer didn't, I'm reading the second one
• 2261[16:24:46] <roger`> the disk works fine after that
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• 2263[16:24:53] <roger`> everything looks normal
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• 2267[16:25:10] <roger`> i just want to make sure nothing is wrong
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• 2271[16:26:07] <jelly> cokolwiek: which debian release are you supposed to be using?
• 2272[16:26:17] <Howdy> Howdy
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• 2274[16:26:19] <cokolwiek> proggry: no, the second answer doesn't apply
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• 2276[16:26:22] <cokolwiek> jelly: testing
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• 2278[16:27:09] <jelly> cokolwiek: it's probably a better idea to use the current codename (that'd be stretch, right now) instead of testing
• 2279[16:27:26] <cokolwiek> why?
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• 2281[16:27:43] <jelly> you're going to be very, very surprised when things break horribly right after stretch is released
• 2282[16:28:18] <jelly> if you use the codename, you can pick when to switch to next testing on your own
• 2283[16:28:36] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 2284[16:28:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2285[16:28:49] <jelly> also
• 2286[16:28:51] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2287[16:28:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2295[16:34:06] <cokolwiek> jelly: ok, I'll try asking there
• 2296[16:34:12] <cokolwiek> by the way, what's stretch-updates?
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• 2298[16:34:46] <cokolwiek> I didn't use it before
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• 2302[16:35:51] <jelly> cokolwiek: that's only going to be useful once stretch becomes a stable release
• 2303[16:36:10] <jelly> you can ask the bot, /msg dpkg stretch-updates
• 2304[16:36:53] <cokolwiek> !stretch-updates
• 2305[16:37:50] <jelly> apparently it's not there yet. You can /msg dpkg jessie-updates
• 2306[16:38:03] <jelly> to read a bit about it
• 2307[16:38:16] <cokolwiek> ok, thanks
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• 2320[16:41:34] <eskatrem> Hey, how do I install java 8 on debian? running `aptiture search "?provides(java-runtime)"` doesnt show openjdk-8
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• 2322[16:41:54] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
• 2323[16:41:55] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u111-b14-2; sid: 8u111-b14-3
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• 2325[16:42:05] <jelly> dpkg, tell eskatrem about jessie-backports
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• 2327[16:42:14] <eskatrem> say ok!
• 2328[16:42:18] <eskatrem> ok!
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• 2412[17:20:20] <cloudowind> am i alive
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• 2415[17:20:41] <cloudowind> i am getting very strange error atm need a reboot i guess
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• 2498[17:52:28] <jelly> ongy: are you using the testing version of the installer as well?
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• 2525[18:01:33] <bitlan> hello, i have debian 8.6 on lenovo X201, i try any solution to turn on thinglight (led over keyboard) without success. Any ideas how turn on this light ?
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• 2551[18:10:27] <ongy> jelly: I build it from the jessie version. So I guess not. From the description for the preseed I asumed this will lock me into jessie, but mirror/suite sounds like it should be able to overwrite that
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• 2554[18:11:03] <jelly> ongy: perhaps, but it may have other issues with stretch that have been fixed in d-i devel
• 2555[18:11:13] <ploprof> anyone had the problem of not being able to install sabnzbdplus with the latest debian ?
• 2556[18:11:29] <ploprof> I get this error E: Package 'sabnzbdplus' has no installation candidate
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• 2558[18:11:38] <jelly> ,v sabnzbdplus
• 2559[18:11:39] <judd> Package: sabnzbdplus on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.6.15-1; jessie/contrib: 0.7.18-1; stretch/contrib: 1.0.3+dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 1.1.1+dfsg-1
• 2560[18:11:50] <jelly> dpkg, tell ploprof about contrib
• 2561[18:11:56] <jelly> dpkg, tell ploprof about non-free sources
• 2562[18:12:12] <ongy> jelly: I have modified the iso to include the preseed url. From what I gather, I should try that with the stretch iso?
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• 2566[18:12:38] <jelly> something like that, yes
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• 2569[18:13:06] <jelly> see if d-i devel works when you manually give it your preseed first, I guess
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• 2575[18:14:18] <ploprof> jelly: that solved my problem thanks !
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• 2589[18:19:15] <ongy> jelly: I just downloaded the debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso and it fails to install (in a VM) for me.
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• 2592[18:19:30] <ongy> trying to do a default-ish install, not any preseed currently
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• 2596[18:19:57] <jelly> ongy: daily build?
• 2597[18:20:14] <ongy> ah, yes. I failed to see that
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• 2600[18:21:13] <jelly> I see stretch alpha8 is quite recent
• 2601[18:21:29] <ongy> let me try the alpha8, I was on daily on accident
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• 2604[18:22:09] <jelly> which vm platform are you using?
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• 2606[18:22:46] <ongy> qemu with kvm on archlinux x86_64
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• 2608[18:22:59] <ongy> the release (alpha8) works fine
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• 2618[18:25:50] <ongy> the error on daily was something about debootstrap permission denied
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• 2625[18:28:13] <ongy> there's Debian Games? that's new in stretch, isn't it?
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• 2630[18:28:44] <jelly> there's been a games section in the repo since forever
• 2631[18:29:07] <ongy> the stretch installer mentions it during software selection
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• 2633[18:29:19] <jelly> could be
• 2634[18:29:20] <julius_> hi
• 2635[18:29:34] <julius_> why does the dovecot package not generate default .ssl cert files?
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• 2638[18:30:14] <jelly> judd: whatprovides dovecot
• 2639[18:30:17] <judd> No packages provide 'dovecot' in jessie/amd64.
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• 2641[18:30:24] <julius_> dovecot-imapd
• 2642[18:30:33] <julius_> judd, . whatprovides dovecot-imaps
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• 2644[18:30:36] <julius_> judd, . whatprovides dovecot-imapd
• 2645[18:30:44] <jelly> that's the one, then
• 2646[18:30:45] <julius_> judd: whatprovides dovecot-imapd
• 2647[18:30:47] <judd> In jessie/amd64, dovecot-imapd is a real package.
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• 2650[18:31:08] <jelly> julius_: was this an initial installation?
• 2651[18:31:12] <julius_> jelly, yes
• 2652[18:31:50] <julius_> ...dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf has default filenames and directories specified, but /etc/dovecot/dovecot.pem does not exist
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• 2656[18:32:30] <julius_> and of course, just running: /usr/share/dovecot/mkcert.sh does not work, no help, just errors
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• 2658[18:32:42] <jelly> julius_: zless /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz
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• 2662[18:32:58] <RikuKawai> my debian updated to linux 4.8 through apt upgrade, but linux 4.8 doesn't work for me, I just get a blank screen instead of gdm. How can I roll back so I don't have to manually pick 4.7 in grub every boot?
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• 2665[18:33:56] <jelly> julius_: apparently the idea is to get decent certs, not selfsigned ones
• 2666[18:34:25] <jelly> well s/decent/signed by well-known CA/
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• 2669[18:34:38] <julius_> ah ok
• 2670[18:34:44] <ongy> jelly: I'm going to eat now. I will report back after if I get it to run
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• 2672[18:34:51] <n4dir> RikuKawai: edit /etc/default/grub to boot per default to kernel 4.7.
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• 2675[18:35:11] <julius_> jelly, they should put a note of that into /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf
• 2676[18:35:13] <RikuKawai> n4dir: won't that get reset every time something updates grub?
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• 2678[18:35:28] <jelly> julius_: README.Debian is a standard part of Debian packaging
• 2679[18:35:47] <jelly> dpkg, tell julius_ about README.Debian
• 2680[18:35:51] <n4dir> RikuKawai: i don't think so. But once you boot into 4.7 you can remove 4.8
• 2681[18:35:53] <somiaj> RikuKawai: the old kernel is most likely still installed, just select a different kernel when you boot.
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• 2683[18:36:20] <RikuKawai> somiaj: read my entire message please
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• 2685[18:36:58] <n4dir> RikuKawai: in default/grub you have to choose between 0, 1, 2, etc. 0 should be default kernel, newest, 1 it's single user versions. Hence you probably want 2. Might be a git of try and error. Also run update-grub after editing
• 2686[18:37:04] <julius_> jelly, ok will keep that in mind
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• 2691[18:37:30] <jelly> julius_: if you're going to give access to less experienced users it's probably worth the while to look at free (gratis) but well accepted certificate authorities, like LetsEncrypt or Startcom
• 2692[18:37:35] <RikuKawai> the second entry in grub is "Advanced Options for Debian GNU/Linux"
• 2693[18:37:46] <RikuKawai> I have to choose that, then choose to boot with 4.7
• 2694[18:38:12] <n4dir> I got you. Try 2 in default-grub file. If that doesn't work, go on with trying ...
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• 2699[18:39:07] <RikuKawai> I could try just removing 4.8 and updating grub
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• 2701[18:39:26] <RikuKawai> I'm currently running on 4.7 using the computer in question
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• 2707[18:40:24] <n4dir> RikuKawai: in my opinion that is ok. And after installing or removing kernels grub will get updated on it's own.
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• 2709[18:41:08] <n4dir> Well: i am more than sure that it works, but sure don't want to be the culprit in case it goes south ... :-)
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• 2712[18:41:32] <RikuKawai> then I can just freeze linux-image in apt
• 2713[18:41:52] <RikuKawai> idk why it doesn't work, it did on my other laptop
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• 2718[18:43:35] <n4dir> RikuKawai: just in case you are wondering how to "freeze" linux-image. You are looking for --set-selections: replaced-url
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• 2720[18:44:03] <jelly> !hold
• 2721[18:44:03] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
• 2722[18:44:05] <n4dir> though remembering "how to set packages in debian on hold" is probably easier to remember (in case you have to search for it).
• 2723[18:44:21] <RikuKawai> yeah that's what I meant
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• 2725[18:45:19] <n4dir> thanks, jelly . i am not able to handle those "bots" (or whatever it's called).
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• 2727[18:45:47] <Obi-Wan> jelly: I'd not recommend Startcom
• 2728[18:46:11] <Obi-Wan> replaced-url
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• 2730[18:46:17] <Obi-Wan> and the same for Firefox
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• 2732[18:46:38] <Obi-Wan> so most probably others will follow
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• 2735[18:47:47] <RikuKawai> is 3.16 actually the newest kernel for jessie or is there a newer one in jessie-backports?
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• 2737[18:48:26] <rhe> there's a new one in the backports
• 2738[18:48:29] <rhe> 4.7 i think
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• 2742[18:49:53] <RikuKawai> ok thanks
• 2743[18:49:58] <jelly> Obi-Wan: oh dear, didn't know they got bought
• 2744[18:50:07] <jelly> good thing there's LE now eh
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• 2753[18:51:54] <Obi-Wan> sure, I already migrated all SSL stuff to LE
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• 2755[18:52:05] <Obi-Wan> but for some shared hosting providers it can be a little bit tricky
• 2756[18:52:27] <Obi-Wan> not all of them are supporting LE out of the box
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• 2769[18:58:48] <julius_> jesus, i hate dovecot
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• 2773[19:00:26] <julius_> jelly, thanks for the tip, but its just me
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• 2827[19:22:31] <wewlad> hello, how to copy something into clipboard? what util is used for that?
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• 2829[19:22:46] <wewlad> is there a single clipboard or more?
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• 2832[19:22:55] <wewlad> or are there more than just one*
• 2833[19:23:25] <seth_> Hi ! I'm trying to install a live version of Debian on a SD card, but the BIOS doesn't recognize it, i'm using Rufus to do it, do anyone has an idea of what's wrong ?
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• 2837[19:24:22] <zykotick9> seth_: two notes 1) is it BIOS or UEFI? as the Live Debian does NOT support UEFI. and 2) Rufus isn't a great idea...
• 2838[19:24:29] <wewlad> seth_: what's rufus?
• 2839[19:24:45] <zykotick9> wewlad: it's like unetbootin for creating broken USB from isos
• 2840[19:24:46] <wewlad> afaik that's a windoze tool
• 2841[19:24:50] <wewlad> oh
• 2842[19:24:51] <wewlad> right
• 2843[19:24:52] <seth_> webbyz: bootable flash drive creator for windows
• 2844[19:25:10] <seth_> zykotick9: It's a BIOS
• 2845[19:25:11] <webbyz> what about it?
• 2846[19:25:14] <webbyz> :P
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• 2848[19:25:35] <wewlad> we{tab} > webbyz != wewlad
• 2849[19:25:37] <seth_> zykotick9: Do you have any other suggestions on how to create a bootable flash drive in windows ? :3
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• 2851[19:25:50] <seth_> zykotick9: teach me master ! x'D
• 2852[19:25:50] <webbyz> meh :P
• 2853[19:25:55] <zykotick9> seth_: well, but of luck. my two suggestons: don't use Live and don't use rufus.
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• 2855[19:26:10] <webbyz> O.o what's wrong with rufus???
• 2856[19:26:11] <zykotick9> !usb install
• 2857[19:26:11] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
• 2858[19:26:15] <webbyz> I love that program
• 2859[19:26:18] <wewlad> rufus, unetbootin, multiboot, linuxlive usb creator
• 2860[19:26:37] <zykotick9> seth_: see the win32diskimager link above
• 2861[19:26:38] <seth_> !sd install
• 2862[19:26:43] <wewlad> yeah, win32diskimager as well
• 2863[19:26:52] <wewlad> wintoflash
• 2864[19:26:56] <seth_> hum, i'll try it
• 2865[19:27:34] <wewlad> sd is a media
• 2866[19:27:40] <wewlad> it's not a device
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• 2870[19:28:14] <wewlad> my guess is that your util wrote the iso just fine
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• 2872[19:28:52] <zykotick9> !rufus
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• 2874[19:28:52] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 2875[19:28:56] <wewlad> but you can't use the SD as a boot source because your SD-card reader is not a device that your bios/uefi understands
• 2876[19:29:15] <wewlad> hm, or what dpkg just wrote
• 2877[19:29:24] <seth_> wewlad: it does,
• 2878[19:29:38] <seth_> wewlad: but it don't see any "bootable" devices connected
• 2879[19:29:38] <RikuKawai> I've always used Universal USB Installer
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• 2881[19:29:51] <seth_> wewlad: My Laptop is a Lenovo ThinkPad W510
• 2882[19:29:57] <RikuKawai> >lenovo
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• 2884[19:30:33] <zykotick9> seth_: sidenote, my much older Lenovo laptops couldn't boot from the built in SD card reader... YMMV?
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• 2886[19:31:22] <seth_> zykotick9: In the "boot order" section, i can see the Laptop SD card reader
• 2887[19:31:27] <seth_> so i guess it can
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• 2891[19:31:39] <seth_> but it doesn't :-(
• 2892[19:32:02] <RikuKawai> I think that laptop is UEFI
• 2893[19:32:09] <RikuKawai> also is Secure Boot turned on?
• 2894[19:32:11] <seth_> What is the differencies between an ISO image and an DD image ?
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• 2896[19:32:24] <seth_> RikuKawai: searched for it, didn't found the option
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• 2899[19:32:40] <RikuKawai> what OS is on it right now?
• 2900[19:32:41] <greycat> dd is just a unix command that copies bytes
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• 2905[19:33:02] <zykotick9> seth_: if it is UEFI then you need to use the regular netinst/cd1/dvd1 images - live WON'T work
• 2906[19:33:04] <greycat> ISO is a file system type (iso9660)
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• 2909[19:33:32] <seth_> greycat: nah, i'm talking of Disk D***(don't remember), another type of disk imge
• 2910[19:33:46] <SynrG> incidentally, UEFI patches have been accepted, but I don't think any images built with them have been released yet.
• 2911[19:33:46] * zykotick9 doesn't understand why ANYONE would want to use Live to install with...
• 2912[19:33:48] <greycat> disk druid? That's a name I've not heard in many a year.
• 2913[19:34:01] <greycat> zykotick9: because people are stupid
• 2914[19:34:17] <SynrG> or more accurately, because people are lazy
• 2915[19:34:28] <seth_> i actually have a full version of debian
• 2916[19:34:31] <SynrG> "distributions X, Y and Z do it this way, so Debian must too"
• 2917[19:34:31] <seth_> a fill installer
• 2918[19:34:36] <seth_> full*
• 2919[19:34:46] <greycat> You have to go out of your way to find a live image, versus just going to replaced-url
• 2920[19:34:49] <seth_> but i wanna use it as a live system
• 2921[19:34:54] <RikuKawai> why
• 2922[19:35:03] <RikuKawai> you can't save anything
• 2923[19:35:15] <seth_> because i don't have a big hard drive
• 2924[19:35:17] <RikuKawai> (I mean technically you can set up persistence)
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• 2926[19:35:20] <seth_> i can't dualboot
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• 2928[19:35:28] <RikuKawai> how big is your drive?
• 2929[19:35:32] <seth_> and i need softwares on windows
• 2930[19:35:34] <seth_> 320 Go
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• 2933[19:36:29] <greycat> You can't dual boot because...?
• 2934[19:36:41] <RikuKawai> I've dualbooted with 120GB SSDs
• 2935[19:36:46] <seth_> i wont have enough space for my windows software
• 2936[19:36:53] <SynrG> greycat: i think the idea is: try the distro with your hardware first to see if it's going to work. then, since you already have the live image, install from it. so i call this "lazy" because it actually takes a second download after you've tried the live image.
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• 2938[19:36:59] <seth_> it's not that i can't, but it won't be enough large
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• 2940[19:37:16] <seth_> My new test is ready, i'm gonna try it
• 2941[19:37:24] <seth_> Thanks for taking the time to reply me
• 2942[19:37:25] <seth_> :D
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• 2944[19:37:37] <SynrG> i agree, otherwise, that the standard installer is easier to find *if* you start from the home page, but not everyone finds it that way.
• 2945[19:37:54] <greycat> If you're not going to use ANY of your hard disk for installing Debian on, then sure, it might make sense to run Debian live and just NEVER SAVE A SINGLE THING. You will start from scratch, ground 0, no home directory, no configuration, nothing saved at all every time you boot. I don't know how you can live that way, but it takes all kinds.
• 2946[19:37:56] <SynrG> they might be slanted towards specifically seeking out the live image from prior experiences of other distros
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• 2949[19:38:33] <SynrG> greycat: well, the debian live images can support persistence. though that takes either a custom build or some tinkering ...
• 2950[19:38:37] <RikuKawai> he's already gone
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• 2952[19:39:29] <RikuKawai> I was going to point out he can replace his optical drive with a second hard drive
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• 2954[19:40:01] <SynrG> ah well. anyway, replaced-url
• 2955[19:40:08] <greycat> Even slicing off 10 GB of his 320 GB hard disk to store /home would be useful.
• 2956[19:40:09] <SynrG> ^^ shameless self-promotion :)
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• 2961[19:40:59] <RikuKawai> I originally had 70GB Windows and 30GB Debian
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• 2963[19:41:13] <RikuKawai> over time that shrunk to 30GB Windows and 70GB Debian
• 2964[19:41:17] <RikuKawai> and now just Debian
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• 2969[19:42:04] <n4dir> In virtuablox i seldom give debian more than 8 Gigs, and often only 5. That is: you can get away with it.
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• 2971[19:42:08] <greycat> The first hard drive I ever bought (as opposed to having been bought by my parents) was 0.2 GB. Of course back then they weren't measured in GB. They were measured in MB.
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• 2978[19:45:20] <somiaj> At one time you could run the OS on a 5.25" floppy. Though sometimes you needed a second for the software you wanted to run.
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• 2980[19:46:36] <n4dir> linux on floppy distros are still out there.
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• 2984[19:47:41] <SynrG> is it old fart reminiscing hour? probably #d-ot :)
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• 3013[19:58:16] <KNERD> WHat is going on with Intel?? ntel(R) Trace Analyzer and Collector 2017 Update 1 for Linux* OS: Unsupported OS Detected operating system is not supported. Supported operating systems for this release are: Debian* 6.0 (Intel(R) 64), 7 (Intel(R) 64)
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• 3017[20:01:13] <somiaj> KNERD: what version of debian are you running?
• 3018[20:01:25] <KNERD> 8
• 3019[20:01:27] <somiaj> also seems that is for only squeeze and wheezy
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• 3021[20:01:47] <somiaj> 6 and 7. Unsure why intel is supporting the older releases. Maybe jessie is updated alread (I dont know what ntel is)
• 3022[20:02:01] <KNERD> yeah, one woudl expect a 2017 version to support 8
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• 3025[20:02:31] <somiaj> what is ntel(R)?
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• 3027[20:02:56] <KNERD> i just downloaded it, and this seems to be a Stable release XE 2017 / September 6, 2016; 2 months ago
• 3028[20:03:10] <KNERD> contraaction of Intel
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• 3033[20:04:37] <somiaj> It seems you should ask intel about why they are supporting releases no longer supported by debian (not wheezy (7) is sitll supported via -lts)
• 3034[20:04:55] <KNERD> yeah, i think I will
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• 3039[20:06:11] <jhutchins> That's pretty typical for large, Windows-oriented companies.
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• 3091[20:28:41] <GALL0> is there a way to install OS on SSD and several internal HDD drives as JBOD within the /home/user during installation? JBOD as /home/user/media
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• 3095[20:29:57] <greycat> I don't see any compelling reason to require "during installation" for that.
• 3096[20:30:08] <greycat> Just do it after installation when you have all the tools available.
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• 3099[20:30:28] <somiaj> GALL0: don't fully understand your question, but during the install you can define various partitions/mountpoints for different things like /home, /var, /usr etc
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• 3101[20:30:49] <somiaj> GALL0: you can also configure a different mount point for /home/username after the install too.
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• 3106[20:31:53] <GALL0> ok so Debian installed on SSD drive, HDD 1, HDD 2, HDD 3, as ... RAID 0? mounted as though it were a single directory within $~/
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• 3108[20:32:14] <greycat> Once you've installed Debian on the SSD, you can do anything you like to the other disks.
• 3109[20:32:32] <GALL0> like a 12TB folder inside the home folder
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• 3111[20:32:48] <greycat> Yes, that includes constructing an md raid0 and mounting it on /home and then constructing another md raid0 and mounting that on /home/user1/dir2
• 3112[20:32:49] <GALL0> ok, just wondering if I could do it all during installation
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• 3115[20:33:06] <greycat> Maybe. I don't konw.
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• 3117[20:33:32] <greycat> I do know it can be done AFTER installation. I don't know why you would want to make your life harder by requiring that it be done with the restricted installation tool set.
• 3118[20:33:33] <GALL0> thanks, I'll just try it after installation.
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• 3121[20:34:28] <somiaj> GALL0: you get more tools after the installer. If you use expert mode you can load additional installer components to give more control over creting partitions/mountpoints/raids during the install. But with a complicated setup it might be easiest to do it after the install (since it is just for /home/usrname) when you have a full set of tools availab.e
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• 3123[20:34:59] <GALL0> got it, thanks!
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• 3128[20:37:14] <question-guy> I am looking for a debian installation that can be used for packaging that has a small enough of memory footprint and uses little low memory and can be run on top of an existing OS i.e through virtualbox?
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• 3130[20:38:25] <greycat> What do you mean by "packaging"?
• 3131[20:38:35] <question-guy> packgening software for debian
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• 3135[20:39:23] <greycat> If you mean building packages, the major requirement is going to be the build system for whatever language you are dealing with (C, C++, etc.).
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• 3138[20:39:52] <greycat> That's on top of the standard Debian package-building packages, like devscripts and so on.
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• 3140[20:40:22] <question-guy> The machine I want to do this on has 3 GB or ram and has to run on ms windows
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• 3142[20:40:47] <greycat> RAM isn't the issue. (Virtual) Disk space is going to be an issue because of the sheer size of the installed software needed for this.
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• 3144[20:41:44] <greycat> Though I suppose it's fair to point out that the memory used by the compiler could be quite large if you are compiling large, complicated files.
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• 3146[20:42:16] <question-guy> 50-100 GB is not a problem for space allocation on a virtualbox
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• 3148[20:42:37] <greycat> OK, then you should be fine.
• 3149[20:42:41] <question-guy> last time I compiled an android rom i kept on getting out of memory messages
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• 3151[20:43:06] <greycat> ... unless you're compiling something that exceeds your system's available memory, which has nothing to do with Debian.
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• 3192[21:03:41] <nobody44> Hello guys... is there a way to disable authentication for one specific sender address in postfix, but enable it for the rest (the authentication part is working so far through SASL)?
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• 3241[21:36:08] <ongy> with the stretch alpha8 netinst, the install works properly. But it still feels weird, is the d-i preseed config stable/reliable or more experimental?
• 3242[21:36:16] <ongy> jelly: ^ for you aswell, since I said I will report back
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• 3351[22:38:28] <unborn> nobody44: im not sure if there is postfix channel.. but you better be asking that there..
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• 3353[22:39:02] <greycat> there is certainly a #postfix
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• 3371[22:44:46] <kruug> Hello, running Stretch and getting all sorts of errors trying to install nginx. Tells me that it can't install nginx-extras. Trying to install that tells me it can't install perlapi-5.20.2, libperl5.20, and passenger.
• 3372[22:44:52] <kruug> Any ideas?
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• 3375[22:45:30] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3376[22:45:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3379[22:45:46] <kruug> ...
• 3380[22:45:48] <kruug> invite only
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• 3383[22:45:52] <greycat> Read again.
• 3384[22:45:56] <kruug> ugh...
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• 3386[22:46:04] <kruug> really? Oftc?
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• 3388[22:46:35] <kruug> Yeah, no worries...let me just move servers because they can't be arsed to be on the same network as the rest of us...
• 3389[22:46:43] <ongy> with d-i preseeding, when I load a script all I get on screen is "running preseed". Can I get the output of my script on screen?
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• 3398[22:49:09] <andril> o/
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• 3403[22:50:21] <jak2000> !dpkg sources.lisst
• 3404[22:50:24] <jak2000> !dpkg sources.list
• 3405[22:50:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3408[22:51:22] <greycat> I wonder what the new name for httpredir will be next month. They're changing it every month, right? This is all intentional and not just a bunch of people in a committee not able to agree on anything as simple as a name?
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• 3416[22:52:28] <missmbob> deb.debian just looks like a drunken typo to me
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• 3418[22:52:51] * greycat continues using replaced-url
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• 3435[22:58:17] <jonz3n> Greetings one and all! I was wondering if I could use a virtual machine and have it use the windows partition i have on my dual boot system?
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• 3440[22:59:03] <jonz3n> oh wait this is the wrong window... Apologies.
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• 3466[23:04:57] <e3> Hello, does somebody has experience with the new MacBookPro and a native Debian boot?
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• 3518[23:29:32] <chatter> allah is doing
• 3519[23:29:39] <chatter> sun is not doing allah is doing
• 3520[23:29:48] <chatter> moon is not doing allah is doing
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• 3527[23:31:12] <helldorado> hi
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• 3532[23:32:17] <helldorado> Someone knows why the debian kernel is not compiled with CONFIG_MOVABLE_NODE support?
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