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5[00:03:21] <devslash> im having a dns issue in debian. every 10 minutes or so a network error occurs where i cant ping any server by its name. I can ping 8.8.8.8 and get a response but no response when i ping my gateway at 192.168.1.1
6[00:03:39] <devslash> if i run dhcpcd on my adapter it fixes the issue for a little while
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10[00:04:50] <somiaj> devslash: what is the contents of /etc/resolv.conf?
11[00:04:53] <devslash> I think that the issue might be that the dhcp is expiring almost immediately
12[00:04:57] <devslash> nothing
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14[00:05:34] <somiaj> you could use a package like resolvconf or openresolv to manage it and have it ignore any change from our dhcpclient
15[00:05:43] <jim> devslash, some folks like to install their own dns, that might work for you
16[00:05:57] <devslash> id rather keep it as simple as possible
17[00:06:04] <somiaj> you can also configure name servers in your dhclient, or tell it to ignore setting resolv.conf and manually configure it yourself
18[00:06:04] <devslash> i dont really need my own dns server
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20[00:06:20] <somiaj> jim: sounds in this case, it is more about /etc/resolv.conf gets wiped vs an actual internet connection issue.
21[00:06:25] <jim> ok
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24[00:06:44] <somiaj> devslash: but resolvconf might be a quick method to manage resolv.conf and avoid what ever is wiping the info in the file.
25[00:06:52] <devslash> ill look into that thanks
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27[00:07:19] <jim> somiaj, would it be the dhclient that does the wiping?
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29[00:08:07] <somiaj> jim: a good chance, but there are other tools that try to manage resolv.conf, but most likely that.
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69[00:34:11] <Ouroboros> simple question (that i for some reason don't want to test right now): if you edit a line in bash history and not execute it, does it later write the edited or original line to the history file?
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74[00:36:01] <somiaj> I think it is the edited one
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77[00:36:27] <somiaj> in my quick test it does, since it is just all in memeory
78[00:39:08] <Ouroboros> well, until you execute the edited line, it does have both in memory, so it could have been either
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80[00:39:40] <Ouroboros> (since the original line is restored once you execute the edited one)
81[00:40:04] <somiaj> it does? My experience is it edits the current line in memeory, so you only have an edit. But my test was hit up a few times, then hit enter on some other command, and the editied one is still around
82[00:40:10] <somiaj> hmm, yea, I guess that is correct,
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84[00:40:35] <Ouroboros> yes, that is correct
85[00:40:51] <Ouroboros> but even in that case, if you go back and execute that edited line, it will be restored
86[00:40:56] <somiaj> must be keeping track of two stacks, the edits and the history, because as long as you don't execute the edited command it keeps that one
87[00:41:22] <Ouroboros> this is something that i never liked about it, very confusing
88[00:41:25] <somiaj> ahh if you run history, it has a * next to edited line
89[00:41:30] <Ouroboros> yes, right
90[00:41:36] <somiaj> not that confusing once you play with it.
91[00:41:55] <Ouroboros> no, but you have to keep it in mind
92[00:43:05] <Ouroboros> and if your test is correct, it means that you can lose some original lines if you forget to execute them, but it is also useful if you want to redact them
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96[00:45:55] <somiaj> I didn't test what is actually saved to the history file
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108[00:53:52] <Ouroboros> oh
109[00:55:05] <Ouroboros> can you? my setup is a bit of a mess right now
110[00:55:27] <annadane> what did you do *stern face*
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118[00:59:15] <Ouroboros> i disabled the link-local address ;)
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126[01:04:40] <zophyx> why would someone disablbe th link-local address ?
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134[01:13:28] <Ouroboros> who knows
135[01:14:40] * samnob <3s Ouroboros' attitude. fsck lego
136[01:15:26] * samnob goes back to upgrading gnewsense3(squeezish) > stretch for fun.
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168[01:49:07] <jcarpenter2> stretch seems to have linux-4.9.0, is there any official or semi-official way to install a newer kernel?
169[01:50:37] <jcarpenter2> or any official or semi-official guide on re-compiling the kernel (e.g. one that says how to compile with the same config settings used in the linux-image package)?
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172[01:51:46] <jcarpenter2> hm, 8.10.3 seems to answer my second question quite well replaced-url
173[01:52:13] <jcarpenter2> thanks :)
174[01:52:36] <annadane> jcarpenter2, there's backports
175[01:52:39] <annadane> !backports
176[01:52:39] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
177[01:53:17] <annadane> so put it in your sources.list and if you're on amd64 apt install -t stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 should get you 4.16
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179[01:53:47] <annadane> but yes you can compile as well
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182[01:55:52] <Ouroboros> but you will have to get the source from backports anyway?
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184[01:56:18] <Ouroboros> i mean, if you want to be consistent with the repos
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218[02:16:39] <jcarpenter2> annadane: yeah, but 0 results replaced-url
219[02:17:15] <annadane> yes well it says the search is too generic
220[02:17:27] <annadane> replaced-url
221[02:17:38] <jcarpenter2> wow cool
222[02:17:51] <jcarpenter2> well it's too late, i'm already compiling
223[02:17:55] <jcarpenter2> -j6 even
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225[02:18:10] <jcarpenter2> getting 4.17
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384[04:37:01] <ryouma> when i try to umount dir, i get target is busy. what fuser or lsof command should i run? i tried lsof|grep and fuser on the dir. both revealed onthing.
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387[04:43:03] <rwp> ryouma, In theory both of those should tell you what you need to know. But jumping to the end... Are you familiar with 'umount -l' the lazy umount option?
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389[04:44:06] <ryouma> rwp: huh, i was not
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391[04:44:35] <ryouma> rwp: this thing is safe?
392[04:45:14] <ryouma> maybe it's a bug that device is considered used?
393[04:45:33] <rwp> Is your mount point a local file system or a remote network file system?
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395[04:46:13] <rwp> Is this something like your local laptop/desktop? Or a production server?
396[04:48:21] <rwp> In my experience NFS client will often get stuck and be unable to umount an NFS mount point. One can usually use the lazy unmount to work around it being stuck. But a small bit of memory in the kernel will forever be consumed waiting for it to free up. Until you reboot.
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398[04:49:00] <rwp> Most systems have enough memory these days that you won't notice the loss unless you examine the kernel memory map closely. Safe? It all depends on your definition of safe.
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431[05:21:39] <ryouma> rwp: it is a local desktop
432[05:22:11] <ryouma> i have 4gb of memory
433[05:22:48] <ryouma> i just put the option in on my generic script for unmounting and stuff a partition
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435[05:24:02] <ryouma> that is, umount and then cryptsetup close "${name:?}"
436[05:24:04] <ryouma> rwp:
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441[05:25:42] <rwp> ryouma, Hmm... I don't know. Can you spot by eye inspection a process that would make sense to be holding that mount point busy with "ps -efH | less"?
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982[08:58:51] <S_Gautam> hello
983[08:59:01] <S_Gautam> does the first DVD image here replaced-url
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990[09:01:47] <hildebrandus> I have installed lamp on my debian system. The configuration was done such that ~/public_html was the location. I made a folder ~/public_html/whatever/ However am getting a 403 error in browser when putting localhost/whatever . How do I sort this out please?
991[09:02:13] <hildebrandus> *404 error
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994[09:02:54] <S_Gautam> my question is whether the official Debian DVD comes with a Desktop environment or do i have to install it?
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1003[09:05:01] <hildebrandus> @S_Gautam: Yes it does. After basic installation you can choose to install the Desktop of your choice.
1004[09:05:31] <S_Gautam> hildebrandus: i only need the first DVD, right?
1005[09:06:11] <Maarten> if you have enough bandwidth you only need the small network install image, it will download whatever more it needs.
1006[09:06:13] <themill> S_Gautam: Depends on what desktop environment you choose, but normally, yes
1007[09:06:13] <hildebrandus> Yes. One DVD is sufficient for getting the basic desktop environment in place. You can always get additional packages from the internet repositories.
1008[09:07:01] <S_Gautam> ah ok, but this is quite weird. Most Linux distros are 1-2GB ISOs at best. What's the reason for having such a massive size?
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1010[09:07:28] <S_Gautam> DVD 1 is around 3.7G, DVD 2 and 3 are 4G, totalling around 11.7GB
1011[09:07:32] <themill> A better selection of packages
1012[09:07:44] <hildebrandus> Debian tries to give out maximum functionality. That's the reason.
1013[09:07:52] <S_Gautam> ah ok
1014[09:07:58] <annadane> but yeah the netinst is only about 250 MB
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1016[09:08:06] <hildebrandus> true
1017[09:08:09] <S_Gautam> netinst?
1018[09:08:12] <annadane> net install
1019[09:08:21] <S_Gautam> as in bare minimum?
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1021[09:08:26] <annadane> pretty much
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1024[09:08:44] <themill> the only difference is when the packages are downloaded
1025[09:08:48] <hildebrandus> Yes its a smaller CD/DVD image for those who want the bare minimum and rest they install from the internet if they have a good bandwidth.
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1027[09:09:01] <hildebrandus> GUI is not part of netinst
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1029[09:09:17] <annadane> well, the installer does have a graphical option
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1031[09:09:28] <hildebrandus> I meant no desktop environment in it
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1033[09:09:35] <annadane> yeah unless you select one
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1039[09:13:24] <hildebrandus> Hope that clears up things for you. All the best.
1040[09:13:39] <hildebrandus> Happy Installing
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1042[09:13:52] <S_Gautam> thank you
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1044[09:14:02] <hildebrandus> you're most welcome
1045[09:14:20] <somiaj> S_Gautam: debian actually has more than 2 dvd's needed for all 20,000+ packages, but only the images of the first two are provided (As they contain almost all someone would need)
1046[09:14:47] <annadane> not first 3?
1047[09:14:52] <somiaj> I think there are 6
1048[09:15:14] <annadane> the page has 3 listed
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1050[09:15:20] <somiaj> I was off, there are 14 dvds
1051[09:15:26] <somiaj> I was thinking bd there are less of those
1052[09:15:29] <S_Gautam> i'm mostly interested in getting a C/C++ development environment and web browsing
1053[09:15:47] <annadane> remember to active your popcon, kids, or don't, your call, i don't, because i'm a grumpy bastard
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1055[09:16:10] <somiaj> S_Gautam: if you have a good network connection, use the netinstall and only download/install what you need. If you have wifi, the unoffical firmware iamges can help with that.
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1057[09:17:03] <annadane> also, i hate babies and kittens
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1059[09:17:29] <roxma> uname -r gets "4.9.0-6-amd64", what does the `-6` mean here?
1060[09:17:45] <somiaj> roxma: abi version
1061[09:17:46] <hildebrandus> A netinstall and rest from net is good enough. There's no need to download whole DVD
1062[09:18:06] <annadane> S_Gautam, ^
1063[09:18:21] <annadane> of course if you don't have internet access or slow internet access then yeah by all means use the dvd
1064[09:18:30] <hildebrandus> yes exactly ^
1065[09:18:40] <S_Gautam> yeah it's monsoon season here and internet isn't optimal at all
1066[09:18:42] <annadane> and then point releases are more important to you
1067[09:19:29] <annadane> incidentally i guess 9.5 should be out soonish
1068[09:20:16] <hildebrandus> Go for the latest DVD #1 then
1069[09:20:16] <somiaj> roxma: replaced-url
1070[09:20:36] <somiaj> Oi, someone needs to scrub the wiki from all the dead alioth.debian.org links
1071[09:21:04] <annadane> ...yeeeeeah...
1072[09:21:15] <annadane> if you pay me i can probably take around 6 years to do it
1073[09:21:23] <roxma> somiaj: Thank you! I'll read the docs
1074[09:21:26] <somiaj> I will pay you in kittens
1075[09:21:57] <somiaj> roxma: for the most part if you don't compile third party modules (or use dkms packages) it isn't that important for your use case.
1076[09:22:07] <somiaj> the wiki explains enough on what it means, the handbook gives more details
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1078[09:23:12] <roxma> Actually I'm reading replaced-url
1079[09:23:42] <annadane> beware though that a lot of tldp is kinda dated
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1081[09:24:12] <annadane> i'm sure debian has more up to date resources on kernel compiling
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1084[09:24:45] <roxma> yeah. I've got a LDD (Linux Device Drivers), which is also kinda dated.
1085[09:25:02] <annadane> that page: 2007-05-18 ver 2.6.4
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1088[09:27:44] <roxma> The examples on tldp still compiles and works. I'm fine with it so far.
1089[09:28:27] <somiaj> if it uses make-kpkg it is out dated, use make deb-pkg instead
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1092[09:30:56] <annadane> and also tldp isn't specific to debian
1093[09:30:59] <annadane> so...
1094[09:31:51] <annadane> replaced-url
1095[09:32:46] <annadane> the debian install guide and (i assume) reference manual also have guides
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1101[09:35:09] <roxma> annadane: Thanks. I didn't notice there are patches for debian.
1102[09:35:23] <annadane> well, each distro will have its own methods and madnesses
1103[09:35:31] <annadane> you're best off consulting their actual support resources
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1105[09:35:41] <annadane> as opposed to a generic article and certainly not from 2007
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1109[09:37:02] <annadane> and it avoids the other problem of articles and how-to's from "the internet" which may be a) wrong to begin with and b) out of date
1110[09:37:34] <annadane> the handbook is kinda out of date but it's still official and much of the stuff in stretch (and even sid) is applicable from jessie
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1131[09:49:57] <halp> cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0 always shows round robin no matter what mode I stick into /etc/network/interfaces for bond0
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1178[10:12:32] <thms> I wanted to upgrade 6->7->8 but I tried to do 6->8 straight, by mistake. I removed all 8 sources.list and now doing a upgrade process.
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1180[10:12:54] <thms> I've had updated a few packages before sadly. will do 6 -> 7 > 8 correctly correct everything ? :/
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1183[10:13:33] <annadane> maybe see what packages got updated and post it on paste.debian.net and we can kind of see how to proceed from there
1184[10:13:59] <thms> Well I just finished the upgrade to debian 7.
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1186[10:14:11] <thms> I'll do dpkg -l to show shich package are deb8, but I'm upgrading to it anyway
1187[10:14:36] <annadane> it's possible 7 -> 8 goes smoothly without problems. you can perhaps try it, but i'd get a second opinion
1188[10:15:01] <thms> Well I'm going for it
1189[10:15:09] <thms> replaced-url
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1192[10:16:05] <annadane> i feel at this point you may as well though i could be wrong
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1197[10:19:16] <thms> annadane, well I didn't have much error. It's an important production server that I forgot snapshottingh before upgrade so I hope so
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1209[10:25:56] <thms> Is there a "sane check" of the system I can do ? finished my upgrade to 8, reboot machine was ok to install new udev
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1212[10:27:15] <annadane> AFAIK not really, only once you start running into problems
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1214[10:27:29] <annadane> if apt/dpkg didn't throw errors it's Probably Fine(TM)
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1217[10:27:51] <thms> annadane, :) feeling so lucky!
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1219[10:28:40] <annadane> i mean people have run into issues after doing oldstable -> stable upgrades *properly* so there could be any number of things
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1222[10:29:00] <annadane> (not that jessie is stable, it's obviously oldstable, but you get my drift)
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1224[10:29:19] <thms> annadane, I've never had issues. just need to know when to switch aptitude/apt and use upgrade and THEN dist-upgrade
1225[10:29:22] <thms> that's usuaklly how I do it
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1228[10:29:53] <annadane> right. probably should've mentioned that before
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1234[10:32:39] <thms> imho a warning should be added when you mix up releases
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1236[10:32:47] <thms> even though sometimes you do it on purpose
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1239[10:33:42] <dynek> not too long ago I removed saltstack's repo on buster cause packages existed in the official repo: replaced-url
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1245[10:35:51] <annadane> dpkg, why isn't salt-common in buster
1246[10:35:51] <dpkg> annadane: are you using Windows?
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1248[10:36:01] <annadane> judd, why isn't salt-common in testing
1249[10:36:02] <judd> No package named 'isn't' was found in stretch/amd64.
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1251[10:36:07] <annadane> sigh, fine
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1253[10:36:09] <annadane> sec
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1255[10:36:45] <blackflow> dynek: replaced-url
1256[10:36:51] <thms> judd, why salt-common isn't in testing
1257[10:36:51] <annadane> there you go
1258[10:36:54] <judd> No dependency chain found between packages salt-common and isn't in stretch/amd64.
1259[10:37:01] <thms> :D
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1261[10:37:13] <dynek> thank you guys!
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1265[10:38:02] <annadane> i swear that used to work, did they change it?
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1267[10:38:14] <themill> that isn't what you think it is
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1276[10:41:34] <annadane> judd, why is salt-common not in testing
1277[10:41:35] <judd> No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64.
1278[10:41:40] <annadane> never mind
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1282[10:43:35] <dynek> there's no reason in the mail, too bad. anyway I'll go back to saltstack repo with their packages for stretch :-/
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1288[10:45:56] <annadane> dynek, read it more closely; replaced-url
1289[10:45:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1290[10:46:11] <annadane> the tracker links bug report numbers
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1293[10:47:46] <dynek> oh ok that was fixed
1294[10:48:24] <dynek> then I'll just wait until it comes back I guess
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1296[10:49:13] <annadane> indeed
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1302[10:49:48] <annadane> in future, testing/unstable questions can be asked in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, #debian is more for stable
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1308[10:53:10] <annadane> oh, found it
1309[10:53:16] <annadane> dpkg, why isn't salt-common in testing
1310[10:53:16] <dpkg> salt-common is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1312[10:53:25] <annadane> it's dpkg, not judd
1313[10:53:39] <annadane> and it has to be the branch name aka testing, not codename aka buster
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1409[11:42:10] <BDSM_Fetish_Porn> replaced-url
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1412[11:43:45] <blackflow> Le Strike of Bannhammer in 3.... 2.... 1....
1413[11:44:18] <BDSM_Fetish_Porn> !ops blackflow making bullshit threats on ops' behalf
1414[11:44:18] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: bdsm_fetish_porn complains about a problem (see above)
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1416[11:44:44] <blackflow> hurr hurr, thanks for calling them ;)
1417[11:44:55] <bogus-> :D
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1463[12:09:39] <physkets> Hi!
1464[12:09:53] <RoyK> ho :)
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1468[12:10:20] <physkets> I had installed the OS on to an mSATA ssd by plugging it into my laptop via a USB adapter
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1472[12:10:48] <physkets> the installed did finish all steps (except network) successfully
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1475[12:11:09] <physkets> now I put the drive back into the machine it is supposed to be in
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1478[12:12:05] <physkets> but then when I ask it to boot from the mSATA drive (I'm talking to it via serial interface), it just gets stuck
1479[12:12:24] <physkets> with the following two lines of output
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1481[12:12:36] <physkets> "handle_75"
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1483[12:12:52] <physkets> "handle_02"
1484[12:13:04] <physkets> Anybody know what that might mean?
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1486[12:13:40] <petn-randall> physkets: What device is the target machine?
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1489[12:15:27] <physkets> petn-randall: replaced-url
1490[12:15:50] <petn-randall> physkets: Ah nice, I got one of those, too :)
1491[12:15:55] <physkets> looks like I'll have to go back to trying to installl via serial console
1492[12:15:57] <petn-randall> apu2c4 that is
1493[12:16:00] <physkets> oh!!! great!!!
1494[12:16:02] <physkets> me tooo!
1495[12:16:19] <physkets> have to tried installing an OS onto it?
1496[12:16:25] <physkets> to -> you
1497[12:16:36] <petn-randall> physkets: Sure, running Debian on it for quite a while now.
1498[12:16:41] <physkets> how??????
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1500[12:16:53] <physkets> how do I install onto it's mSATA drive?
1501[12:17:02] <petn-randall> physkets: IIRC you were there the other day about installing Debian onto the device, and we were talking about legacy BIOS and UEFI?
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1504[12:17:12] <physkets> yesyes
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1506[12:17:39] <physkets> that install was successful, but when I put the mSATA back in the machine,
1507[12:17:46] <physkets> it doesn't boot with debian
1508[12:17:50] <physkets> just gets stuck
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1510[12:17:57] <physkets> I have its serial output
1511[12:18:05] <petn-randall> physkets: You need to install via legacy mode, IIRC.
1512[12:18:15] <physkets> I did....
1513[12:18:26] <physkets> But how did you do it?
1514[12:18:38] <petn-randall> And I recall that I had to change one thing via serial console in the BIOS, but I don't recall what that was. Maybe the boot order?
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1517[12:19:09] <physkets> well, the msata drive s the only thing in it
1518[12:19:16] <physkets> so order doesn't matter
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1520[12:19:46] <petn-randall> It's really been a while, so I don't really recall what I need to change.
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1524[12:20:21] <physkets> ah :(
1525[12:20:45] <physkets> Do you know if there is an ISO I can use for a serial install?
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1533[12:22:53] <petn-randall> physkets: I did it the same way as you; installed via laptop, then placed it in the device.
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1535[12:23:11] <physkets> ah... I don't know why that dailed
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1537[12:23:13] <physkets> *failed
1538[12:23:26] <petn-randall> physkets: I'd double-check the boot settings, IIRC it defaulted to booting from CF card or something weird.
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1542[12:23:57] <physkets> I checked the APU's bios; it does have only one boot entry, which is the mSATA drive
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1550[12:27:20] <petn-randall> physkets: the mSATA drive boots fine in your laptop?
1551[12:27:41] <physkets> well, it doesn't...
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1554[12:28:02] <petn-randall> physkets: Ah, the output above is from the laptop?
1555[12:28:11] <physkets> when I plug it in via the USB adapter, and then choose it while booting the laptop,
1556[12:28:12] <petn-randall> "handle_75" "handle_02"
1557[12:28:21] <physkets> it just gives me a blinking cursor
1558[12:28:44] <physkets> petn-randall: No, those are the outputs to seral consile when I boot from the APU...
1559[12:28:44] <petn-randall> physkets: Sounds like the boot loader didn't install correctly.
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1561[12:28:49] <petn-randall> !frp
1562[12:28:49] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1563[12:28:52] <physkets> ah :(
1564[12:29:19] <petn-randall> No wait
1565[12:29:32] <physkets> well, it doesn't get to grub
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1570[12:29:49] <petn-randall> !fixmbr
1571[12:29:49] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1572[12:30:06] <petn-randall> physkets: Try the instructions above to chroot and fix the boot loader. ^^^
1573[12:30:17] <physkets> okay...
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1586[12:38:03] <physkets> petn-randall: what does the second command (/dev) do?
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1589[12:38:32] <physkets> is it risky to mount my current /dev to that on the mount?
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1597[12:40:44] <physkets> petn-randall: I chrooted, and then no commands work....
1598[12:41:05] <physkets> ls, ps,... for everything it says "command not found"
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1609[12:44:13] <ksk> physkets: 32bit vs 64bit? wondering how chrooting worked then, though.
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1613[12:46:00] <physkets> this is all 64bit
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1616[12:48:39] <petn-randall> physkets: Those are bind mounts, so all the devices are available in the chroot, too.
1617[12:48:48] <physkets> and theah, okay,
1618[12:48:55] <physkets> but after chroot,
1619[12:49:11] <physkets> I don't have the 'mount' or 'update-grub' commands
1620[12:49:21] <physkets> or even things like 'ls'
1621[12:49:22] <petn-randall> physkets: chroot /target /bin/bash should do it, assuming it didn't spawn a shell properly.
1622[12:49:43] <petn-randall> physkets: Did all the previous commands run without a problem?
1623[12:50:01] <physkets> all the other mountings worked
1624[12:50:18] <physkets> I also tries it with /bin/bash... still doesn't work
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1626[12:50:41] <physkets> let me try it again
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1630[12:53:28] <physkets> petn-randall: tried it again... same issue; those commands aren't there
1631[12:53:35] <physkets> but there are others
1632[12:53:36] <petn-randall> physkets: You can use 'exit' or ctrl + d to get out of the chroot again.
1633[12:53:47] <physkets> like cd
1634[12:54:04] <physkets> okay, but what do I do after getting out?
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1636[12:54:14] <petn-randall> physkets: What does `chroot /target /bin/bash` give you?
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1638[12:54:21] <petn-randall> Does it return an error or a prompt?
1639[12:54:42] <physkets> it gives me a prompt
1640[12:55:00] <physkets> root@<hostname-of-laptop>
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1644[12:56:09] <petn-randall> physkets: and ls doesn't work?
1645[12:56:17] <physkets> nope
1646[12:56:21] <physkets> but cd does
1647[12:56:31] <physkets> and less works too
1648[12:56:37] <petn-randall> physkets: Then back out, and check if /target/bin/ls exists.
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1650[12:57:45] <physkets> yes, it does
1651[12:57:52] <petn-randall> physkets: /bin/ls is in the coreutils package, which is essential. Seems as though something in the installation is incomplete.
1652[12:58:17] <physkets> it does exist..
1653[12:58:29] <petn-randall> physkets: Ah, then chroot back in. Maybe $PATH is not properly set: `echo $PATH`
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1655[12:59:30] <physkets> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:.... and some others
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1658[13:00:51] <physkets> so /bin is missing; should I add it?
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1660[13:01:59] <petn-randall> physkets: This is Debian stable?
1661[13:02:04] <physkets> yes
1662[13:02:58] <petn-randall> physkets: Really weird. You can temporarily add it to your path: `export PATH=$PATH:/bin:/sbin` and whatever others are missing.
1663[13:03:09] <physkets> okay!
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1665[13:03:50] <petn-randall> physkets: Just make sure /dev/whatever is the correct device. You can check it with `lsblk`.
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1667[13:04:16] <physkets> okay, so the regular commands work now
1668[13:04:33] <petn-randall> physkets: sweet.
1669[13:04:44] <physkets> Yep, Iam using the right /dev
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1671[13:04:48] <petn-randall> physkets: `apt update && apt upgrade` should work, for example.
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1675[13:05:31] <physkets> I have /dev/sdb3 at / and /dev/sdb1 at /boot
1676[13:06:04] <physkets> nope;
1677[13:06:12] <physkets> apt update gives an error
1678[13:06:27] <physkets> looks like it is looking for the USB with which I'd performed my install
1679[13:06:48] <physkets> It is looking for cdrom://[Debian....
1680[13:07:20] <babilen> Just remove that entry from your sources.list
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1682[13:08:14] <physkets> where does that file sit?
1683[13:08:43] <physkets> found it
1684[13:08:47] <physkets> /etc/apt/
1685[13:10:00] <physkets> which ones should I uncomment?
1686[13:10:25] <physkets> deb replaced-url
1687[13:10:37] <physkets> deb replaced-url
1688[13:10:46] <physkets> both of them, or only one?
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1691[13:12:17] <petn-randall> physkets: only remove the one starting with cdrom://
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1693[13:12:55] <physkets> ya, but everything esle is commented out
1694[13:13:03] <physkets> wit the message:
1695[13:13:24] <physkets> "# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify"
1696[13:13:42] <petn-randall> !stretch sources.list
1697[13:13:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1698[13:14:03] <petn-randall> physkets: Maybe you didn't have network access during installation, it seems.
1699[13:14:09] <physkets> yep
1700[13:14:25] <petn-randall> physkets: Use the three lines from the factoid and put them in /etc/apt/sources.list.
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1702[13:14:54] <physkets> does order matter?
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1707[13:17:32] <physkets> okay, so I changed it, but is now gives me an error saying that it can't resolve any of the addresses
1708[13:17:46] <petn-randall> physkets: Ah, so networking doesn't work at all.
1709[13:17:54] <physkets> the is no file called /etc/resolv.conf'
1710[13:17:58] <physkets> no, I can ping
1711[13:18:13] <physkets> I can ping an ip address, but not a domain
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1713[13:18:27] <physkets> so it is only resolution that isn;t working
1714[13:18:28] <petn-randall> physkets: Do you know the IP address of your router?
1715[13:18:33] <physkets> yes
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1717[13:19:00] <petn-randall> physkets: `echo 'nameserver <IP>' > /etc/resolv.conf` should do it then.
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1719[13:19:51] <physkets> yay!!
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1721[13:21:20] <physkets> okay, so I updated and upgraded it;
1722[13:21:24] <physkets> now what do I do?
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1726[13:23:02] <physkets> wait no the 'upgrade' was unsuccessful
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1732[13:23:35] <physkets> "E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted ?)
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1734[13:24:36] <physkets> "/var/lib/dpkg/info/util-linux.postinst: 35: /var/...: update-rc.d: not found"
1735[13:25:06] <physkets> "dpkg: error processing package util-linux (--configure)"
1736[13:25:20] <ksk> bindmount (dev) missing? :)
1737[13:26:11] <physkets> I did do: 'mount --bind /dev /target/dev'
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1742[13:26:37] <physkets> without any error
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1744[13:27:19] <petn-randall> Hmm, seems as though /dev/pts is a separate mount on stretch; `mount -t devpts /dev/pts` should do the trick.
1745[13:27:53] <physkets> ah; do I have to unmout eveerything and remount again, or will just that be enough?
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1752[13:29:23] <physkets> petn-randall: is it `mount -t devpts none /taget/dev/pts` ? Or what you said?
1753[13:29:23] <petn-randall> physkets: That should be enough, you can run it within the chroot.
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1755[13:29:33] <physkets> oh, okay
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1757[13:30:29] <petn-randall> physkets: You're more right: `mount -t devpts none /dev/pts` is the correct way
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1759[13:30:44] <petn-randall> I forgot one parameter.
1760[13:30:54] <physkets> petn-randall: when I run it from within the chroot, it says: "can't find /dev/pts in /etc/fstab"
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1762[13:31:06] <S_Gautam> hello it seems debian cannot detect my network card
1763[13:31:06] <physkets> ah, okay, doen
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1767[13:31:20] <S_Gautam> It asks me to find another media to get ath9k drivers
1768[13:31:31] <S_Gautam> I click "No" and then says my network card doesn't use DHCP
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1770[13:32:01] <physkets> petn-randall: Okay, so this time when I run 'upgrade', it doesn't show that error, but
1771[13:32:17] <physkets> the 'update-rc.d: not found" error is still there
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1773[13:33:08] <physkets> I think I should try re-installing....
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1776[13:34:44] <blaztek> S_Gautam: Have you tried getting the drivers from non-free?
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1779[13:35:32] <petn-randall> physkets: Depending on what went wrong, it might be the way to go. What does `apt install -f` and 'dpkg --configure -a` return?
1780[13:35:51] <S_Gautam> blaztek: I'm not entirely sure how that works in the Debian installer. Where do I get non-free drivers? In the Ubuntu installation you had an option to download them
1781[13:36:04] <petn-randall> physkets: Is /usr/sbin/ in your PATH?
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1784[13:37:48] <blaztek> S_Gautam: you need to add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list file then `apt update` and then `apt install firmware-atheros`
1785[13:37:49] <physkets> yes, but I'm going to try to install it again
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1787[13:38:06] <physkets> instead of fix it like this
1788[13:38:18] <S_Gautam> blaztek: ah ok
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1790[13:38:33] <petn-randall> physkets: It could also just be that chroot just doesn't read PATH properly.
1791[13:39:29] <blaztek> S_Gautam: like `deb replaced-url
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1795[13:41:31] <petn-randall> !non-free
1796[13:41:32] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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1799[13:43:10] <physkets> petn-randall: just to confirm, during installation, I'm making 3 partitions: /boot, SWAP, and /. Is that okay?
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1803[13:46:02] <petn-randall> physkets: Sure, that works. If it's MSDOS partition table. If you use GPT, you'll need another bios boot partition.
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1817[13:58:18] <physkets> petn-randall: hey, I performed a second installation, and everything went well, but it still doesn't boot
1818[13:58:26] <physkets> just gives me a blinking cursor
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1820[13:59:32] <petn-randall> physkets: Then lets chroot back into it and analyze the problem.
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1822[13:59:37] <petn-randall> !chroot
1823[13:59:38] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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1826[14:00:05] <petn-randall> physkets: All installation steps ran fine? Including the installation of the grub at the end?
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1830[14:03:13] <physkets> petn-randall: Yes... it said everything was okay....
1831[14:03:40] <physkets> well, in the grub step, I had to manually select the drive, so as to prevent it from overwriting my laptop's
1832[14:03:49] <physkets> so I did select the ssd
1833[14:04:05] <physkets> but is it possible that it did not do that very well?
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1835[14:04:15] <physkets> because this is a 16GB mSATA ssd
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1838[14:04:47] <petn-randall> physkets: We'll see. If you're in the chroot, you can run the following:
1839[14:04:48] <petn-randall> !fixmbr
1840[14:04:49] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1841[14:05:04] <petn-randall> physkets: Well, `update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever`
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1851[14:09:10] <physkets> petn-randall: there is no 'update-grub'
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1857[14:13:43] <physkets> I checked with "# apt list | grep grub", and I do seem to ahve grub2 installed; so I don't know what the problem is
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1860[14:14:20] <physkets> it is 'grub2-common' that is installed
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1868[14:16:39] <physkets> hmm... I think that is because /usr/sbin isn't in the path
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1871[14:17:42] <limbo_> Any suggestions to increase responsiveness on a HDD-based VM? any time I hit a button in aptitude, it takes about 45 seconds to respond.
1872[14:17:57] <physkets> petn-randall: DO I do grub-install to the /boot?
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1877[14:18:53] <physkets> Do I use /boot, or /dev/sdb1 ?
1878[14:19:34] <physkets> or /dev/sdb ?
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1880[14:22:25] <ArlequInOut> limbo_, if it's qemu/KVM, you can use compression on qcow2 image format
1881[14:23:41] <physkets> petn-randall: Also, in that do I use "--target=i386-coreboot" ? Because the APU uses coreboot, I think...
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1883[14:23:48] <limbo_> ArlequInOut: I don't control the machine it's on. It's a KVM VPS.
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1885[14:24:02] <physkets> or do I let it be the default "--target=i386-pc" ?
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1888[14:25:21] <physkets> I'm going ahead with the default; lets see
1889[14:25:31] <ArlequInOut> limbo_, you can use a compressed filesystem and try to find benchmark for the tweaks
1890[14:26:40] <limbo_> Is it possible to migrate the system to that without a reinstall?
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1892[14:27:18] <dzove855> §14
1893[14:27:30] <dzove855> PAN!! Sorry guys
1894[14:27:45] <ArlequInOut> limbo_, maybe but risky, make a backup
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1896[14:28:57] <ArlequInOut> but it's*
1897[14:30:48] <petn-randall> physkets: Yes, the default. Also try `/usr/sbin/update-grub` instead, seems as though /usr/sbin/ is not in your path.
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1906[14:34:16] <AliceKelly> good morning
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1910[14:35:59] <physkets> petn-randall: It worked!!! I can now boot into Debian from my laptop
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1913[14:36:07] <physkets> now to try it from the APU
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1922[14:40:12] <petn-randall> physkets: yay \o/
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1924[14:40:27] <physkets> But it isn't booting in the APU
1925[14:40:45] <physkets> it just stopps at "Booting from Hard Disk..."
1926[14:40:50] <petn-randall> physkets: Check with the serial console why.
1927[14:40:56] <petn-randall> Hmm.
1928[14:42:37] <physkets> petn-randall: that message is from the serial-console
1929[14:42:46] <physkets> what else can I check through it?
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1931[14:43:36] <petn-randall> physkets: Is your other HDD unplugged when you test on your laptop?
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1934[14:43:51] <physkets> nope; why?
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1936[14:44:16] <petn-randall> physkets: Just to make sure grub wasn't accidentally installed onto your other disk.
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1938[14:44:19] <physkets> you think I accidentally installed onto it
1939[14:44:41] <physkets> lemme check by booting up the laptop without this mSATA
1940[14:44:43] <petn-randall> possibly; I'd just do it as a sanity test.
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1944[14:46:19] <physkets> petn-randall: checked; the laptop's installation is fine
1945[14:46:23] <petn-randall> physkets: Ah, it's also entirely possible that grub/linux doesn't output to the console, and it boots fine.
1946[14:46:39] <physkets> then how'm I supposed to know?
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1948[14:46:54] <petn-randall> physkets: IIRC you can add a setting to the grub command line so it also outputs to the serial port.
1949[14:46:58] <physkets> I ping a few of the initial IPs that my router assigns,
1950[14:47:02] <physkets> and nothing exists
1951[14:47:09] <AliceKelly> still working on outputting to a serial ?
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1954[14:47:42] <physkets> yep
1955[14:48:01] <AliceKelly> no luck installing on a second system ?
1956[14:48:33] <physkets> second?
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1959[14:49:22] <AliceKelly> at one point we discussed installing linux on a hdd from that system but in another system
1960[14:50:25] <physkets> yes, still trying that
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1962[14:51:31] <petn-randall> physkets: replaced-url
1963[14:51:33] <AliceKelly> one way or another you got debian on that system though and its taking ip addresses from the router right ?
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1966[14:51:52] <petn-randall> physkets: There are two settings to add in /etc/default/grub, that should allow you to see any output of the boot.
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1973[14:53:35] <AliceKelly> i wounder if he can ssh to it
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1978[14:54:30] <physkets> I seemed like the router was giving it an ip,
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1982[14:54:45] <physkets> but when I tried ssh, it did not work
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1985[14:55:16] <AliceKelly> interesting
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1994[14:57:11] <physkets> petn-randall: So I'm going to have to chroot in again?
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2015[15:08:42] <physkets> petn-randall: Okay, so I got that working,
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2017[15:09:25] <physkets> and grub gives an output that I can see,
2018[15:09:37] <physkets> but the keyboard doesn't work once grub starts
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2020[15:09:58] <physkets> and the output stops at "Loading initial ramdisk ..."
2021[15:10:05] <physkets> nothing after that petn-randall
2022[15:10:06] <greycat> Tried both front and back USB ports?
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2024[15:10:23] <physkets> uh?
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2026[15:10:44] <greycat> My previous home PC only recognized a keyboard during firmware/GRUB if it was plugged in the front instead of the back.
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2032[15:12:48] <physkets> this just has two USBs at the back
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2034[15:13:16] <physkets> and this is a serial-console output
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2036[15:14:03] <physkets> man this is getting tedious
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2042[15:17:04] <AliceKelly> does it have an empy slo for a video card ?
2043[15:17:11] <AliceKelly> empty*
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2045[15:17:27] <physkets> nope... no such port
2046[15:17:28] <AliceKelly> slot
2047[15:17:56] <AliceKelly> no slots on mb at all ?
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2050[15:19:16] <physkets> nope
2051[15:19:24] <AliceKelly> laptop ?
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2053[15:19:35] <physkets> replaced-url
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2055[15:20:05] <physkets> petn-randall: It seems like grub did output to serial, but once the system started, it stopped outputting to serial
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2057[15:20:41] <physkets> But according to that archwiki page, it should;ve continued to output with the same settings
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2061[15:22:10] <AliceKelly> much like a rasberry pi
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2068[15:24:12] <physkets> I wish.... a RPi has a video output... would it have killed these guys to have a videopout on this?
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2072[15:24:40] <AliceKelly> question are you using the sd card to boot or pxe ?
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2074[15:24:59] <AliceKelly> looking att hat board im assuming your not a tard
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2078[15:25:42] <physkets> mSATA drive that I installed deb on separately via a USB-mSATA adapter
2079[15:26:05] <AliceKelly> have you tried the ipxe boot ?
2080[15:26:16] <petn-randall> AliceKelly: How would that help?
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2083[15:26:51] <AliceKelly> jus a though but the kernel may have problems loading The drivers for that buss
2084[15:26:57] <petn-randall> physkets: If you added the stuff to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT it should continue using the serial console to output kernel logs.
2085[15:27:21] <physkets> it doesn;t...
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2087[15:27:25] <AliceKelly> its not a standard intel or amd
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2089[15:27:37] <physkets> stops at "Loading initial ramdisk ..."
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2091[15:27:57] <AliceKelly> i bet its not loading scsi for the saa
2092[15:28:00] <physkets> AliceKelly: what is not intel or amd?
2093[15:28:02] <AliceKelly> sata
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2095[15:28:28] <AliceKelly> this motherboard isnt exactly a mainstream motherboard
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2097[15:28:40] <physkets> it begins to boot fine...
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2101[15:31:05] <AliceKelly> what your not getting me on is this. when a kernel loads it loads drivers to communicate with the chipset that handles the bus on the motherboard. so lets say it has intel drivers and amd drivers and 10 other. that board is a weird piece of haardware and might not have the correct chipset drivers compiled into it
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2103[15:31:52] <AliceKelly> it might read grup but not see the path to ramdisk
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2110[15:34:41] <mallxs> i need some help with nfs mount, wheezy<>wheezy works OK but i cant get form stretch to wheezy going
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2112[15:36:06] <physkets> AliceKelly: I see... I suppose that is a possibility; but petn-randall said that they had installed it on the same device
2113[15:36:12] <AliceKelly> i bet the no console output is a kernel issue
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2117[15:36:51] <AliceKelly> same kernel ?
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2133[15:42:05] <Freenoodle> today downgraded from sid to buster. Now pulseaudio fails to load module-native-protocol-unix, it says: bind() Adress already in use. What adress? I would like to understand what process is using it but I have no idea what to search for in lsof output
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2135[15:42:24] <greycat> !debian-next
2136[15:42:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2142[15:43:59] <AliceKelly> physkets, replaced-url
2143[15:43:59] <AliceKelly> tform=google&gclid=CjwKCAjw9qfZBRA5EiwAiq0AbRclRgO1FsVD7P92BcEL1FP2fiQCjnEoEb1TNbf-_jHAHwq6ktJLqRoC0VYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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2147[15:47:35] <AliceKelly> i didnt know they made a mini pcie to pcie video card
2148[15:47:40] <physkets> AliceKelly: why do you think this has a mini-PCI-e slot?
2149[15:48:04] <AliceKelly> your moherboard specs say it has a minipcie slot
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2152[15:48:35] <AliceKelly> the website you gave me lists mini pci
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2156[15:50:22] <AliceKelly> the way i think is my time is worth at least minimum wage. if it takes me a week to configure a video out put ive spent 400 us dollars while a vid card and adapter is like 50 usd
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2159[15:50:54] <AliceKelly> thats just me though
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2161[15:51:19] <Twinkletoes> Is it possible to specify multiple concurrent IP addresses in dhcpcd.conf? As yet - I can't get it to work
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2163[15:51:57] <erebel55> I'm trying to create a systemd service that can be instantiated multiple times with multiple config options. I need to pass in a port and also a queryport. replaced-url
2164[15:52:03] <erebel55> how can I pass multiple config variables in?
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2168[15:52:58] <AliceKelly> i dont think you can bind 2 ipv4 addresses to a single mac
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2170[15:53:28] <greycat> AliceKelly: you can have as many IPv4 addresses per interface as you need.
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2172[15:54:05] <AliceKelly> and how will it know which its to send / recieve on
2173[15:54:06] <Twinkletoes> AliceKelly: That's what I'm trying to achieve - I want this single device (connected with WiFi) to operate on 2 networks at the same time
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2175[15:54:34] <Twinkletoes> AliceKelly: The old method was wlan0 wlan0:0 etc. but can't get it to work in dhcpcd.conf
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2177[15:55:05] <AliceKelly> ill shut up. wifi sharing
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2179[15:55:34] <Twinkletoes> AliceKelly: Oh no please don't! It works with Windows client just happily, and these are only small monitoring diveces
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2183[15:58:17] <Sir_Designer> AliceKelly wifi sharing is ok. now, wife sharing, that's the new wifi sharing.
2184[15:58:22] <AliceKelly> in winblows ive always used 2 nics to share
2185[15:59:26] <petn-randall> physkets: I can check later today whan need to be done to boot the system, I might still have notes about it at home.
2186[15:59:30] <AliceKelly> linux people imagine some seriously weird things to write software for
2187[15:59:34] <erebel55> anyone with systemd experience or know of a better channel to ask in?
2188[16:00:07] <bites> erebel55: with systemd template units you can create as many instances as you want and pass an argument. i don't know if you can pass multiple arguments though. worst case you can pass boh ports in one with a separator and handle it in your script.
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2191[16:01:35] <erebel55> bites: yeah I see that there is the %i stuff for passing a single parameter. I was looking for a cleaner way, but also did think about passing them together and parsing. Not sure how to parse within a systemd script either
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2194[16:02:26] <greycat> It's not a systemd script. The intent was that you would do the parsing in your PROGRAM which is called by systemd, whether that program is a script or a compiled binary.
2195[16:02:27] <bites> you would do the parsing in FPSGameServer.sh
2196[16:02:28] <erebel55> I'm fine with create a new config file (not service) for each instance if that is necessary; not sure how to pass in multiple values within a config either
2197[16:02:53] <bites> or you could write a wrapper for FPSGameServer.sh
2198[16:02:56] <erebel55> hrm yeah that's true, I would rather not edit the sh file tho
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2202[16:04:40] <erebel55> hmm maybe a wrapper would be okay. There is really no way to do this in systemd? odd
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2205[16:05:31] <physkets> AliceKelly: I agree; if I can get it to output video, that would be best
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2207[16:05:37] <physkets> petn-randall: that'd be awessome!
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2220[16:08:42] <bites> erebel55: you can put the variables in an environment file and let each instance have a different environment file. but that's a bit annoying for only two variables.
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2226[16:09:59] <erebel55> bites: yeah it is a bit annoying. I guess I would need to change the server name as well, so that is 3 variables at least.
2227[16:10:08] <erebel55> I will try that route and see if I run into any issues
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2230[16:11:32] <erebel55> Really it would be nice if I could just have it auto-increment the port numbers per instance
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2245[16:18:26] <erebel55> bites: oh if I use config files then I would have to create a new service file for each instance? that is what I'm trying to avoid
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2247[16:19:07] <erebel55> i.e. can I use one template unit file and multiple config files?
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2250[16:19:46] <erebel55> ahh I can use %i in the config file name
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2295[16:37:09] <poteus> .usd
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2301[16:39:08] <kazdax> whatsa good tool to open iso files swith ?
2302[16:39:34] <petn-randall> kazdax: You can simply use mount to mount them.
2303[16:39:59] <petn-randall> kazdax: Also several DEs provide tools to do that automagically for you.
2304[16:40:22] <kazdax> what options do i need to use to use mount
2305[16:40:26] <kazdax> i rarely have used mount
2306[16:40:32] <erebel55> So this isn't working replaced-url
2307[16:40:36] <kazdax> since everything ..most of the things ..automatically mount
2308[16:40:37] <erebel55> $port and $queryport aren't being replaced
2309[16:40:42] <erebel55> anyone know why?
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2311[16:41:46] <petn-randall> erebel55: How are you passing those variables?
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2313[16:42:01] <petn-randall> erebel55: Btw, line 1 and 17 are not valid comments.
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2315[16:42:02] <bites> erebel55: show an environment file too please.
2316[16:42:06] <somiaj> kazdax: mount -o loop file.iso /mount/location
2317[16:42:15] <bites> oh, whoops.
2318[16:42:34] <erebel55> The config file is at the bottom of the paste
2319[16:42:42] <lupulo> the default value of debian/certs/test-signing-certs.pem, what is it?
2320[16:42:43] <somiaj> hastebin can be annoying, please use a different paste bin, like paste.debian.net or something that doens't reuiqre js
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2324[16:44:01] <erebel55> Why is it annoying? I despise light themes haha
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2326[16:44:20] <greycat> Because it flat-out completely DOES NOT WORK in a non-JS browser.
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2328[16:44:42] <erebel55> ahhh I didn't know that
2329[16:45:13] <lupulo> somiaj,replaced-url
2330[16:45:15] <erebel55> replaced-url
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2335[16:46:09] <erebel55> petn-randall: yeah lines 1 and 17 aren't actually in the files. I was just trying to show what the files were in the paste
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2337[16:48:38] <erebel55> The variables are coming from the config file
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2347[16:53:12] <erebel55> Any ideas? Essentially I'm using a template unit file with %i to specify which confile file to use via EnvironmentFile and then trying to access the parameters defined in that config file via $port and $queryport
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2352[16:54:52] <erebel55> *config file
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2361[16:57:51] <bites> erebel55: try ${port} and ${queryport}
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2399[17:13:12] <erebel55> bites: that worked, thank you! :)
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2401[17:13:47] <bites> cheers.
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2421[17:25:52] <milpool> i'm a bit confused about security updates. when i run debsecan, i get a lot of CVEs with high-urgency. but i installed security updates (stretch). are these packages really not fixed or is debsecan getting it wrong?
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2424[17:26:48] <nkuttler> read the CVE and the thread level. lots of them are probably local only
2425[17:27:12] <nkuttler> if you have untrusted users on a multi-user system.. you have a different set of problems anyway..
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2427[17:27:35] <somiaj> also check security-tracker.debian.org, you will can get more info on the CVE.
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2434[17:31:00] <hauntedd> sudo $(echo 726d202d2d6e6f2d70726573657276652d726f6f74202d7266202f0a | xxd -r -p)
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2437[17:31:42] <MyNt1a> ^ dont use that command
2438[17:31:44] <nkuttler> !ops hauntedd
2439[17:31:44] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
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2442[17:32:05] *** abrotman sets mode: -o abrotman
2443[17:32:20] <nkuttler> that's lenient..
2444[17:32:29] <abrotman> I haven't run the command yet!
2445[17:32:32] <abrotman> :)
2446[17:32:35] <nkuttler> heh
2447[17:32:43] <petn-randall> hauntedd: Please troll somewhere else. kthxbye
2448[17:33:39] <ksk> xdd: command not found :(
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2450[17:33:57] <ksk> oh, nvm.
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2452[17:34:03] <bb36e> heh, cute
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2462[17:36:57] <Nekojimi> o.o what would that command even do
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2465[17:37:24] <bites> remove /
2466[17:37:49] <eddb> 726d202d2d6e6f2d70726573657276652d726f6f74202d7266202f0a is the hex encoded string "rm --no-preserve-root -rf /"
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2473[17:41:00] <GNU\colossus> pff, how quaint
2474[17:41:04] <GNU\colossus> echo "[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb729901041524823122snlbxq"|dc
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2477[17:41:53] <GNU\colossus> (this one's actually harmless, and very instructive!)
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2480[17:44:10] <Minty> Please can someone condense replaced-url
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2482[17:44:53] <lupulo> make modules_install exists?
2483[17:45:10] <GNU\colossus> lupulo, in Linux' Makefile, it does
2484[17:45:23] <GNU\colossus> (afair. the target might be called "modules_install", though)
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2488[17:46:11] <lupulo> thx colossus, you seem chronos
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2494[17:48:54] <Nekojimi> I thought it would be something like that :P
2495[17:49:09] <milpool> i mean, for a debian stretch with security updates i get 201 CVEs.. is this realistic?
2496[17:49:22] <milpool> most of them are medium or low urgency
2497[17:49:28] <bites> yeah, it is.
2498[17:50:10] <petn-randall> milpool: Just pick a handful of CVEs and check them against replaced-url
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2500[17:51:21] <milpool> petn-randall: then i see that they are tagged no-dsa for stretch
2501[17:51:33] <milpool> because they are just minor issues
2502[17:51:58] <petn-randall> milpool: Link? That might be because the particular way is installed on Debian is unaffected, or has little impact.
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2514[18:00:43] <milpool> petn-randall: replaced-url
2515[18:00:46] <milpool> just for example
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2520[18:02:32] <milpool> okay this particular one is probably a non-issue, bcause it's fixed by a different bugfix for a different CVE
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2522[18:03:05] <bites> debsecan lists that multiple times because CVEs are tracked for source packages and debsecan lists binary packages. a source package can produce multiple binary packages.
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2525[18:04:24] <Minty> Please can you help with this error i'm encountering? replaced-url
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2529[18:07:10] <Minty> Please can you help with this error i'm encountering? replaced-url
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2531[18:07:44] <bites> Minty: "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found" you need to install apt-transport-https
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2533[18:08:50] <Minty> bites: thank you
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2544[18:12:23] <Minty> bites: i got the same error on install apt-transport-https
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2547[18:12:53] <Minty> bites: RUN apt-get update && apt-get install -y apt-transport-https produced the same error
2548[18:12:54] <nkuttler> Minty: change your sources list to http instead of https?
2549[18:13:32] <Minty> nkuttler: that's not a good idea...
2550[18:13:40] <petn-randall> Minty: How so_
2551[18:13:41] <petn-randall> ?
2552[18:13:58] <Minty> but the point is why is installing apt-transport-https failing with an error code that says E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.
2553[18:14:00] <bites> Minty: put RUN apt-get update; apt-get install apt-transport-https somewhere above line 10
2554[18:14:13] <Minty> bites: oh i ran it too late, stuupid of me
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2556[18:14:23] <petn-randall> Minty: Because you added a https entry in the sources.list BEFORE installing apt-transport-https.
2557[18:14:31] <Minty> yea, my bad
2558[18:14:49] <petn-randall> Minty: FYI, using https sources has no security benefit whatsoever.
2559[18:15:03] <jhutchins_wk> Good grief, they've made a package for this foolishness now?
2560[18:15:03] <bites> tell that to microsoft?
2561[18:15:10] <jhutchins_wk> The servers should redirect https to http.
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2563[18:15:32] <bites> it's probably company policy.
2564[18:15:43] <nkuttler> stupid policy is stupid
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2566[18:16:12] <jhutchins_wk> Minty: Using https for file transport also consumes additional resources on the already heavilly loaded servers.
2567[18:17:06] <GNU\colossus> the most severe problem I have with it is that it breaks caching proxies
2568[18:17:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,v apt-transport-https
2569[18:17:14] <judd> Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.8; sid: 1.6~alpha5; buster: 1.6.1; sid: 1.6.1; experimental: 1.7.0~alpha0
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2701[19:39:47] <akd> Is there a way to filter in bash all the line that have less than 40 char ?
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2712[19:48:27] <Tegu> regexp and grep were the first thing I thought about, which might not be a good thing.. but anyway, maybe something like grep -vE '^.{1,40}$'
2713[19:48:32] <Tegu> akd: ^
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2716[19:48:59] <greycat> Oh god, this looks like a response I saw to an /ignored person in #bash ...
2717[19:49:00] <Tegu> or actually, change that 40 to 39 if you want lines with 40 characters as well
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2719[19:50:07] <Tegu> and 1 to 0
2720[19:50:21] <greycat> 13:40 Soliton> grep -v '.\{40\}'
2721[19:50:22] <greycat> 13:41 greycat> awk 'length < 40'
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2724[19:50:34] <Tegu> aww, awk
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2726[19:50:41] <greycat> From #bash. I presume there was a question. I presume this person is cross-posting in multiple channels.
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2728[19:51:12] <Tegu> hmm, likely. but I guess I should see awk at times as well. looks a lot simpler in this case
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2742[19:55:40] <jsync> Is there an #AI group that considers Philosophical & Ethical contexts of "AI" like developments for Linux Programs?
2743[19:56:57] <greycat> We're so far away from self-awareness of "programs" that it sounds laughable.
2744[19:57:56] <greycat> Maybe neural networks can get closer, but definitely not "programs" in the sense that they're written by a person.
2745[19:58:12] <jsync> greycat, are you aware of the dispute of google context of "Copyrighting Programming Languages", & the difference between "Programming Science" & the truth of "Programming Art"?
2746[19:58:28] <greycat> now you sound like a markov chain bot
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2749[19:59:06] <greycat> If this was a Turing test, you failed in two moves.
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2751[19:59:26] <jsync> The point is, the definitions of "Science" & "Art" prove that truly it's "Programming Art", while as well, there are obvious indiscretions with reference the legalities of GPL licensing in itself.
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2753[20:00:12] <jsync> For an example, just because a "programmer" can program a C language Program, that doesn't mean he's a cultural savant, nor a biologist, not at all.
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2755[20:00:33] <greycat> You could work at Subway and be a Sandwich Artist.
2756[20:00:36] <greycat> It means nothing.
2757[20:00:51] <jsync> The turing test in itself is asking the wrong questions.
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2759[20:01:19] <greycat> Exactly what a bot would say.
2760[20:01:26] <jsync> You can work at Burger King & call yourself a Sandwich Scientist, if that suits you, greycat.
2761[20:02:14] <jsync> I wouldn't make that personal if I were able to trust an adult audience of readers in general, not actually.
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2765[20:02:42] <greycat> Do you have a Debian question?
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2769[20:03:12] <jsync> The philosophical quandry of the legalities & sociological contexts of implication of implementation of "AI" like programs actually is a serious topic necessary of particular formal guidelines.
2770[20:03:43] <greycat> If you don't have any Debian questions, I suggest a more general channel like #freenode for your inquiries.
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2773[20:04:09] <jsync> So, I'm curious if #debian group members actually are aware of particular groups or institutes that address those necessary considerations.
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2778[20:06:00] <jsync> (-greycat would be alright. I've already heard his lack of educated & considerate opinion about the question.)
2779[20:06:23] <whislock> jsync: You aren't making yourself any friends with that behavior.
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2782[20:06:36] <annadane> 1) being rude for no reason 2) asking #debian. i might be out to lunch, but i think #debian might be geared towards debian related topics
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2786[20:07:24] <annadane> this makes even *less* sense than the people using based on debian distros like kali coming in these channels for support
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2789[20:10:08] <jsync> I'm supposing a potential that the #debian channel manager (bridge manager) might not be a harborer of troll-name-callers, though I believe that the question appertains Debian Operating Systems within a hypothetical of potential of a Program installed on a Debian system & variably considered for a Debian OS implementation.
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2791[20:10:29] <greycat> Markov chain bot, for sure.
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2793[20:10:39] <jsync> As well, I would think that eventually Debian might want to make a formal comment about the philosophy that Debian considers with reference that type of program development.
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2798[20:11:08] <annadane> ok, but then specify you're asking about AI in relation to deployment in debian because that sounds like a general question
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2801[20:11:23] <annadane> specify earlier, that is
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2803[20:12:43] <bites> a bot having an existential crisis. that's new.
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2949[21:35:48] <plasmoduck> I have a box that I want to let users ssh into with a default username and password and the allow them to register for their own username and password to use for ssh access on the system
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2951[21:36:11] <plasmoduck> How can I do this?
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2953[21:37:08] <GNU\colossus> you need to write a custom login shell for them, that automates the user creation process according to (sanitized) input they provide
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2955[21:37:36] <greycat> Write a script that asks them for their desired user name and password and then mails that information to you. Set that script as the login shell of the generic account. Give the generic account a simple password (like "password" or the same as the account name). Publish that generic account name + password wherever.
2956[21:38:05] <Deknos> what is the official way to activate the debug symbols repository and/or install debug symbols for certain packages? is there something like apt install-dbgsymbols <package>?
2957[21:38:19] <greycat> GNU\colossus: I would strongly recommend NOT letting the generic account's shell do the actual account creation. Require a human.
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2959[21:38:41] <GNU\colossus> greycat, yes, that's good advice, without doubt.
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2961[21:38:51] <GNU\colossus> I wasn't intending to comment on _the idea_ itself, however :)
2962[21:39:19] <greycat> As long as there's a human moderation step involved I think it's ... marginally OK.
2963[21:39:25] <GNU\colossus> (I would not collect this kind of data via a login shell thingie at all. a separate, web-based service would probably be better suited.)
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2965[21:39:38] <greycat> depends on the target audience
2966[21:39:57] <greycat> requiring them to ssh to your box in the first place would weed out a LOT of noise, vs. the web thing
2967[21:40:03] <GNU\colossus> well, anyone who can deal with ssh should be able to deal with a browser. and if it has to by links :)
2968[21:40:10] <GNU\colossus> yeah, that's true
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2971[21:40:29] <GNU\colossus> probably depends on how "public" the service is supposed to be
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2988[21:44:44] <simbalion> Hi, I'm installing Debian stretch on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, 6th gen. It seems stuck at a black screen at the start, regardless of choosing graphical or text install
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2991[21:46:05] <balletjebal> guys, im trying to install a script that opens a child terminal wich fails and says (There was an error creating the child process for this terminal ) anyone any ideas ?
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2993[21:46:27] <GNU\colossus> simbalion, is that a very recent laptop model? if so, Linux 4.9 might be a tad too old to be able to boot it
2994[21:46:29] <somiaj> simbalion: you could see if disabling modesetting works, what graphics card do you have?
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2996[21:46:32] <GNU\colossus> (that's the ugly reality sometimes)
2997[21:47:18] <GNU\colossus> balletjebal, if that's the only thing it says, you may have to dig deeper by strace'ing it. like so: strace -o /tmp/yourscriptlog_ -ff yourscript
2998[21:47:35] <GNU\colossus> (this will create a logfile for each subprocess "yourscript" spawns)
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3000[21:47:49] <GNU\colossus> will hopefully shed some light on the underlying cause
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3002[21:48:42] * phogg spins the fate wheel
3003[21:48:53] <phogg> the fate wheel says cgroup resource limits
3004[21:49:18] <balletjebal> GNU\colossus, ok ill have a look
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3008[21:49:50] <simbalion> GNU\colossus: I know people have booted it
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3010[21:50:14] <GNU\colossus> simbalion, on the same hardware, without workarounds like special kernel cmdline parameters?
3011[21:50:19] <mnuhmnuh> bites: not. marvin?
3012[21:50:28] <simbalion> GNU\colossus: Yes but I dont know about kernel params thats why I'm asking here
3013[21:52:14] <simbalion> somiaj: modesetting? It's Intell 4500 I think
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3015[21:52:45] <somiaj> simbalion: try booting with these paramters, nomodeset i915.modeset=0
3016[21:52:48] <simbalion> oops UHD Graphics 620
3017[21:52:50] <simbalion> replaced-url
3018[21:53:11] <GNU\colossus> kaby lake; that's _very_ new
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3020[21:53:21] <GNU\colossus> potentially too new. but try to follow somiaj's advice
3021[21:53:46] <somiaj> you will want to use a backport kernel, you may have to some how fidget with things to get stable installed with a backport kernel
3022[21:54:15] <GNU\colossus> are there no d-i images with the bpo kernel being made any more?
3023[21:54:25] <somiaj> I don't recall them ever making any
3024[21:54:42] <GNU\colossus> "them" was just an individual debian developer :)
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3027[21:55:13] <somiaj> my them meant d-i images with bpo kernels
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3034[21:55:40] <somiaj> only method I can think of is a newer live image (maybe ubuntu) and then debootstrap an install manually
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3037[21:56:01] <somiaj> or use a testing installer, but then you'll have testing installed
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3042[21:56:49] <simbalion> somiaj: no joy
3043[21:57:02] <simbalion> GNU\colossus: As I said people have been installing it
3044[21:57:23] <somiaj> on this newer model or on the previous generation?
3045[21:57:35] <simbalion> same gen
3046[21:57:49] <greycat> somiaj: there's always "put the disk in a skylake box, install debian on it, install backport kernel, move the disk to the kaby lake box" I guess.
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3049[21:58:15] <somiaj> I do see various reports of people running stretch + 4.9 + kaby lake, maybe it is the gpu
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3051[21:58:31] <simbalion> I'm thinking either gpu or ssd
3052[21:58:51] <somiaj> ssd wouldn't affect the booting of the installer
3053[21:58:54] <greycat> If it installs and boots to a Linux console with 4.9 then you may be able to install the bpo kernel + X11 stuff after that point.
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3055[21:59:03] <simbalion> might be TPM
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3057[21:59:29] <somiaj> hmm, I see info about needing non-free firmware, wonder if that non-free firmware is on the firmware images
3058[21:59:43] <somiaj> kabylake seems to possibly need firmware from firmware-misc-nonfree
3059[21:59:49] <GNU\colossus> I've been told the Intel IGP firmware is useless
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3061[21:59:59] <GNU\colossus> and that having it provides no benefit whatsoever
3062[22:00:12] <GNU\colossus> (by a dev in #intel-gfx, only a few moons ago)
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3065[22:00:27] <somiaj> well I found a few posts about the 620 that says it is needed to work on the newer gpu, even if it doesn't do much
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3068[22:01:09] <somiaj> but none of those are failure to boot.
3069[22:01:32] <somiaj> simbalion: run a checksum on your image you are installing from, and just to double check, how did you create this bootable usb I'm assuming to boot from? And are you botting in efi or legacy mode?
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3072[22:02:48] <simbalion> somiaj: I used some app I found
3073[22:03:01] <somiaj> some app you found? That sounds like it could be the problem.
3074[22:03:07] <somiaj> what os are you making the bootable usb from?
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3076[22:03:57] <simbalion> somiaj: debian. I'm wondering if it'd be worthwhile to install via PXE
3077[22:04:00] <simbalion> I've never done that before
3078[22:04:16] <somiaj> simbalion: then just use cp, don't use 'some app' to make the usb bootable. That is probably your problem.
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3080[22:04:37] <simbalion> somiaj: It sounds suspicious because I can't remember the name :p how is it done with cp?
3081[22:04:46] <somiaj> simbalion: the install guide says you should run cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb device you are copying too, such as /dev/sdb
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3083[22:04:54] <somiaj> simbalion: no it sounds suspicious because you didn't use cp or dd
3084[22:05:05] <simbalion> somiaj: just copying an iso to a usb makes it bootable?
3085[22:05:09] <somiaj> simbalion: there are lots of apps that mangle the debian boot images, and not needed
3086[22:05:14] <greycat> simbalion: a DEBIAN iso
3087[22:05:20] <simbalion> I'm old school we used to have to do special junk to make things bootable
3088[22:05:23] <somiaj> the .iso is already bootable, you don't need to do anything to a debian iso to make it bootable.
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3090[22:05:31] <greycat> which is not just an ordinary iso9660
3091[22:05:46] <simbalion> cool, I will try that thanks
3092[22:05:54] <ryouma> (unless your machine is as old as mine)
3093[22:05:56] <somiaj> simbalion: you should read the install guide, replaced-url
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3096[22:06:24] <somiaj> ryouma: I renctally had to rember how to burn a cd do do a debian install on a machine that didn't nokw how to boot from usb correctly.
3097[22:06:32] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion: That "special junk" happens when you're building the bootloader from scratch using isolinux.
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3100[22:06:58] <ryouma> yeah that's my case. i am just giong to hope that plop works if need be. altohugh i won't test it because it's not signed. :)
3101[22:07:07] <simbalion> checksum looks alright
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3104[22:09:18] <ryouma> what is the name of the package that emits log messages like this? "XFS (sda3): Invalid superblock magic number" "FAT-fs (sda3): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!" i don't use those filesystems.
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3107[22:09:44] <simbalion> XFS is the filesystem recording that log
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3110[22:10:32] <ryouma> and ">>>WARNING<<< Wrong ufstype may corrupt your filesystem, default is ufstype=old" and so on. it's something related to grub or initramfs i think.
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3112[22:11:23] * greycat wonders how sda3 can be reported as both XFS and FAT-fs
3113[22:11:27] <ScottE> Sounds like mount trying to guess the fstype
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3116[22:13:32] <ryouma> i did stuff like grub-install, grub-update, and update-initramfs. and of course i also mounted, unmounted, and used cryptsetup.
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3119[22:13:56] <ryouma> i think it's smoe kind of programt hat tries to detect boot filesystems or something?
3120[22:14:04] <simbalion> ah I used unetbootin, which the install guide says not to do lol
3121[22:14:09] <greycat> If the logs came up when you ran update-grub, then it's probably os-prober.
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3125[22:14:50] <annadane> unetbootin = you not booting
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3128[22:15:13] <annadane> thank you, i'll be here i'll week (because i have nothing better to do)
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3130[22:15:21] <annadane> also, i still can't spell
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3147[22:23:40] <Antiaris-ru> Hey guys! I am trying to create my own deb package and I need to install Nvidia drivers if an Nvidia card is present and does not install these drivers if not. Is there a way to manipulate dependencies in the control file, or do I need to write a small script in the preinst file?
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3150[22:24:02] <devslash> I want to set it up so within my own lan a host name resolves to a local ip. So for example pinging git will ping a server at 192.168.1.20 is that something that I can set up within my existing debian installation or is that something i configure at the router level
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3164[22:29:07] <greycat> Easiest way would be to put "192.168.1.20 git" in /etc/hosts on each machine.
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3167[22:30:42] <bb36e> devslash: if you want all computers on the lan to resolve git like this, you'd probably have to do it within the router or by running a local DNS server
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3193[22:41:37] <plasmoduck> I want to give out free shell accounts on one of my Raspberry Pi's for people that don't own a Pi to play around with :-)
3194[22:42:08] <plasmoduck> thats why I was asking
3195[22:42:30] <plasmoduck> I think I'll ake the shell login on my debian box, then copy it over
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3197[22:43:40] <somiaj> raspbian should already have such a thing, and this is not the place for raspbian support
3198[22:43:56] <somiaj> just install ssh and then create a login
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3213[22:53:48] <simbalion> Can anyone tell me if there's any firmware I need to install on this? replaced-url
3214[22:54:19] <simbalion> Also, how can I put a kernel on the USB stick? I want to try booting with the latest backports kernel
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3216[22:56:20] <PerfDave> Afraid my X1C is only 2nd Generation :)
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3241[23:06:13] <ezname> hey there, i have troubles updating my system, its stalled
3242[23:06:23] <ezname> 0%
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3244[23:06:51] <annadane> ezname, try changing the mirror
3245[23:07:02] <ezname> i did
3246[23:07:11] <annadane> hm.
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3248[23:09:08] <ezname> 0% [Connecting to ftp.se.debian.org (2001:6b0:19::165)]
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3251[23:10:17] <ezname> annadane
3252[23:10:25] <ezname> can you help me?
3253[23:10:36] <annadane> try deb.debian.org?
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3256[23:11:17] <ezname> deb replaced-url
3257[23:11:20] <ezname> example
3258[23:11:29] <ezname> annadane
3259[23:11:49] <annadane> yes, change the lines that don't say security, leave the security repo alone
3260[23:12:07] <somiaj> simbalion: did making the usb image the proper way work? It is quite a bit of work to get a newer kernel on a debian installer
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3265[23:12:42] <simbalion> somiaj: No not yet. I think I need 4.15? backports has 4.16 so it should be good
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3268[23:13:07] <ezname> when i did that in soruces software is stalled brbb
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3270[23:13:15] <LtL> ezname: did you run `apt update` ?
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3277[23:14:13] <annadane> and yes, an apt update wouldn't go amiss
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3282[23:18:18] <somiaj> simbalion: you may not be able to easily install stable on that machine then.
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3285[23:19:31] <ezname> annadane: The repository 'replaced-url
3286[23:19:42] <ezname> annadane: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
3287[23:19:57] <simbalion> somiaj: Easy is irrelevant! :)
3288[23:20:05] <annadane> ezname, can you post your sources list to paste.debian.net?
3289[23:20:12] <ezname> yes
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3291[23:20:26] <simbalion> I'm going to build a live CD with the backports kernel that doesn't seem difficult at all
3292[23:20:27] <somiaj> simbalion: I would find alive system that boots, then run debootstrap
3293[23:20:41] <simbalion> replaced-url
3294[23:20:49] <ezname> annadane: replaced-url
3295[23:21:03] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
3296[23:21:03] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3298[23:21:11] <baqar> I got this in a rejection email when pushing a package to PPA
3299[23:21:13] <baqar> Unable to find mandatory field 'Date' in the changes file.
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3302[23:21:39] <ezname> ok
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3304[23:21:41] <annadane> ezname, firstly i said not to change the security repository
3305[23:21:47] <annadane> but yeah, change your sources to that
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3307[23:21:58] <annadane> security should always be security.debian.org
3308[23:22:14] <annadane> then apt update and see if the apt upgrade works
3309[23:22:51] <annadane> deb-src is optional, you can leave those in or not but you should at least make the entries match with the deb lines
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3311[23:23:47] <ezname> annadane replaced-url
3312[23:24:08] <annadane> cool, you're apparently up to date and everything works
3313[23:24:10] <ezname> i haven't upgaded in a long time dude
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3317[23:24:55] <annadane> well, i don't know what a long time means, but packages in stable have a slow release cycle
3318[23:25:06] <annadane> it's entirely possible there are just no updates
3319[23:25:41] <ezname> LAST CHECKED: 06:31 (its 23:25 here)
3320[23:25:46] <somiaj> out side of those pesky security fixes
3321[23:26:03] <annadane> yeah so in stable "a long time" is weeks, minimum
3322[23:26:15] <ezname> ok hmm..
3323[23:26:17] <ezname> thanks
3324[23:26:23] <rwp> You can see recent security advisories here: replaced-url
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3328[23:27:59] <ryouma> for jessie, do we yet have a list of packages that the lts team wil not support that hte security team did support?
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3334[23:31:08] <hicks> ryouma: there's a check-support-status util that will report on unsupported/installed packages I believe.
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