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145[01:48:40] <zecolmeia> hello everyone
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147[01:49:33] <zecolmeia> what about publish a compress file
containning all debian .git packages repo
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148[01:49:36] <zecolmeia> ?
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150[01:50:04] <sponix> zecolmeia: or not
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151[01:50:55] <zecolmeia> maybe yes, flexible custom
branches/merges
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152[01:51:02] <zecolmeia> project
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153[01:51:04] <zecolmeia> s
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154[01:51:25] <zecolmeia> testing
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160[01:52:58] <zecolmeia> a folder/sufolder pool
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161[01:53:05] <zecolmeia> byebye
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213[02:38:10] <Kurogane> Hello, how not install "The
following additional packages will be installed" in a package.
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214[02:38:34] <ksk> Kurogane: you can leave out recommendations
with the "--without-recommends" switch
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215[02:38:39] <ryouma> Kurogane: there aer options for the
installation tools to not install recommendations
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216[02:38:46] <ksk> if they are coming in because of
dependencies, you need them, and cannot choose to not install
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217[02:39:15] <ksk> "apt-cache show $pkg" will show
you which are which
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218[02:39:18] <ryouma> and maybe suggests is relevant, but i
think maybe not by default?
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219[02:39:52] <ksk> agreed :)
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221[02:44:39] <Kurogane> ksk, that option not work for me but
--no-install-recommends and still try to install.
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223[02:45:02] <ksk> Kurogane: how about pasting the install
command you use, and the apt output?
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224[02:45:03] <ksk> !paste
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225[02:45:03] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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226[02:45:29] <ksk> the right switch is
"--no-install-recommends", I was mistaken.
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228[02:46:09] <ksk> and I already told you how to determine WHY
these packages are installed
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241[02:56:52] <Unit193> Hah, both mariadb-common and
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242[02:58:28] <ksk> Kurogane: the package you want to install
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246[03:00:14] <ksk> Kurogane: so, no way for you to not install
that. anyway, why are installing 33kB of packages a problem for you?
:o
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247[03:00:28] <ksk> oh, 330kB ;)
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249[03:00:55] <Unit193> 934kB actually.
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250[03:01:04] <ksk> you will not have a mysql-server installed,
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251[03:01:07] <ksk> true :)
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252[03:01:25] <Unit193> I'd still see if I can avoid one of
the -common packages, seems silly to have both.
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254[03:01:57] <Unit193> `apt install --no-install-recommends
libdbd-mysql-perl mysql-coomon-` then swap with mariadb-common if
that one fails.
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322[04:06:02] <bsld> hello guys so im using debian on wsl2 does
anyone of you knows where the "4.19.79-microsoft-standard"
kernel is stored - i checked the /boot directory it's empty
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328[04:08:15] <whislock> bsld: I am uncertain as to whether or
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333[04:10:11] <OS-16741> msg NickServ REGISTER
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334[04:10:21] <whislock> OS-16741: It's amazing how much a
/ helps.
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341[04:14:09] <ksk> Im inclined to say not supported, as I heard
its a modified debian of sorts..
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345[04:14:51] <ksk> bsld: but if that what you put in
"" is a package, you can do "dpkg -L $pkg" to
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346[04:15:08] <sponix> ksk: well the folks in ##windows
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348[04:16:17] <sponix> ksk: I'm almost curious as to where
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354[04:19:12] <bsld> sponix:
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355[04:20:11] <sponix> bsld: interesting.. My google search
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356[04:20:32] <bsld> ksk: what's the kernel package
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358[04:21:43] <bsld> sponix: im currently cloning this repos and
atm it's 24% percent and 630mib is that normal
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360[04:21:54] <bsld> seems rather large to me
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364[04:22:59] <whislock> bsld: Ever clone
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365[04:23:11] <sponix> bsld: not sure, you could pull the normal
4.15.x kernel and compare -- see how much bloat they added already
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366[04:23:43] <whislock> sponix: 24% and 630M is positively
svelte compared to the actual Linux repo.
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367[04:24:12] <whislock> I'm cloning the repo now. 21%,
1.3G.
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371[04:25:20] <whislock> Now, that includes all of the commit
history. Let's see what the actual source sizes are.
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374[04:26:01] <sponix> can't you just checkout that
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375[04:26:21] <whislock> The linux repo only has one branch.
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380[04:27:50] <whislock> Heh. The WSL sources are smaller.
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381[04:27:54] <whislock> So much for bloat.
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382[04:29:37] <sponix> whislock: that is amazing
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383[04:30:15] <sponix> guess they are saving all the extra
telemetry code for that rebranded chromium
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423[05:03:01] <inari> Do I have to do something special to the
lvm mapper before i call shutdown? I.e. along the lines of umount.
Do I need to "unregister" anything before shutdown?
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424[05:03:04] <z8z> Did the some repository path change
recently? I'm not getting the security updates even i see those
in the update news. I fresh installation of Debian on another PC
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425[05:04:06] <ksk> inari: no
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426[05:04:13] <inari> K, thanks
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488[06:14:10] <z8z> Did the some repository path change
recently? I'm not getting the security updates even i see those
in the update news. A fresh installation of Debian on another PC
gets those updates tho.
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489[06:14:43] <z8z> These are the sources.list files in both PC.
Why the second one doesnt find any update?
replaced-url
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490[06:15:07] <z8z> I see one has deb
replaced-url
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491[06:15:10] <z8z> and the other
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492[06:15:22] <z8z> deb
replaced-url
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495[06:15:33] <RoyK> no main on the latter
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496[06:15:35] <n-iCe> hi
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498[06:16:02] <RoyK> z8z: only contrib, not main
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499[06:16:32] <z8z> oh sorry there was another line below i
didnt copy before pasting
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500[06:16:32] <z8z> deb
replaced-url
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501[06:16:38] <z8z> so i guess it's not that
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502[06:16:48] <RoyK> deb
replaced-url
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503[06:16:54] <RoyK> that lacks 'main'
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505[06:17:23] <z8z> Why these settings where working ok on
Debian 9? :|
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506[06:17:33] <RoyK> they probably didn't
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507[06:18:15] <RoyK> add main there, do an apt update and
upgrade (or dist-upgrade) and check the result
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508[06:18:42] <z8z> But every security patch in the Debian
Security was popping out with those settings. Sorry for asking....
just curious
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510[06:19:03] <RoyK> try to change that first, please
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512[06:19:24] <RoyK> my guess is you removed a bit too much
while upgrading
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513[06:19:40] <z8z> so would you mind to paste how it should be?
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514[06:20:06] <RoyK> just add main after contrib
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515[06:20:08] <RoyK> or before it
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516[06:20:13] <RoyK> shouldn't matter
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517[06:20:17] <z8z> Oh ok
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518[06:21:07] <RoyK> and until next time - install etckeeper so
that you can look back into what etc looked like before you did
something
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520[06:21:43] <RoyK> it's a nice tool, especially if you
manage to remove some files from /etc in a hurry
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522[06:22:10] <z8z> It's working thanks
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523[06:22:19] <grisher> or just backup ya configs before you
change 'em
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525[06:23:09] <RoyK> grisher: etckeeper is a nice way of doing
that
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526[06:24:41] <RoyK> grisher: so unless you do something as
stupid as rm dash r slash etc, you'll be fine
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527[06:24:43] <grisher> so is cp
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529[06:25:07] <RoyK> grisher: etckeeper uses a git repo - a bit
more flexible
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530[06:25:12] <grisher> don't need to keep pinging me mate
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531[06:25:34] <z8z> I will actually go and check the backup
later. I usually dont make such mistakes of removing extra stuff...
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532[06:25:35] <z8z> :|
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534[06:25:48] <grisher> it's no big deal
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535[06:25:53] <grisher> just add it and update/upgrade
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536[06:26:28] * RoyK silently ignores grisher
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537[06:26:46] <z8z> btw is "replaced-url
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538[06:26:52] <grisher> i mean, go for it
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539[06:26:57] <grisher> but you don't need to keep pinging
me
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541[06:29:00] <grisher> z8z: it should be
replaced-url
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542[06:29:58] <z8z> ok thanks
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544[06:32:15] <z8z> reboot time ^^
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560[06:42:10] <dyy> anyone can help me with tor browser? It
shows just black screen
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563[06:48:46] <grisher> dyy: screenshot?
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564[06:52:01] <OerHeks> 'dark' web
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565[06:53:27] <dyy> @grisher, her> dyy: screenshot?
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566[06:53:44] <dyy> grisher,
replaced-url
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572[07:01:21] <dyy> grisher, it was preinstalled on parrot os
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573[07:01:36] <dyy> do I need to reinstall it and see if the
problem persist
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720[09:03:50] <Rabalidad> Hi, so I installed nvidia-driver and
therefore I have driver version 418.74, but when I run nvidia-smi ir
reports "CUDA Version: ERR!" even I have nvidia-cuda-dev
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721[09:04:13] <Rabalidad> and I can not run any CUDA
applications, does anybody know what might be wrong?
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746[09:13:09] <at0m> Rabalidad: i'd go from nvidia-detect,
and see what driver that suggests for your hardware
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749[09:13:33] <at0m> then make sure you're not using any
other
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755[09:16:21] <Rabalidad> nvidia-detect suggests the default
driver, nvidia-driver
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756[09:16:46] <Rabalidad> I installed
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773[09:22:42] <Rabalidad> I have Buster (stable) how to upgrade
to testing (Bullseye)?
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774[09:23:16] <at0m> Rabalidad: how would that solve your
problem? or, why would you?
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775[09:23:39] <at0m> (cos, if you need to ask how, i doubt
that's the right thing to do)
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777[09:24:45] <at0m> also, for nvidia specific stuff,
there's #nvidia, too
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779[09:25:16] <Rabalidad> besides the issue I have I just
noticed that I have stable and I prefer to have testing
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782[09:25:50] <at0m> just "prefer"? you gonna debug
and help bullseye become a better next stable?
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783[09:26:19] <at0m> again, if you need to ask how, i'm
doubt it's the right thing to do
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784[09:26:28] <at0m> s/i'm/i
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786[09:28:00] <at0m> dpkg: tell Rabalidad about testing
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789[09:28:26] <at0m> dpkg: tell Rabalidad about bpo
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792[09:30:48] <at0m> Rabalidad: backports are an intermediate
solution, where only specific newer packages are installed. usually
that's used for specific features or fixes in these specific
packages. an answer like "just cos i can", doesn't
warrant the effort.
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804[09:36:42] <Rabalidad> I think there is no backport for the
nvidia-driver
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806[09:37:47] <at0m> Rabalidad: reason i'm advising against
testing in this case, is that while testing may offer newer
versions, also it's meant for testing: stuff breaks, and you
get to keep all the pieces if stuff breaks. people who run testing
are supposed to submit bug reports, and know how to put the pieces
back together in order to get a working system again.
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809[09:38:41] <at0m> so if you need to ask, i doubt you'll
be able to recover in that case.
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813[09:40:15] <at0m> Rabalidad: instead, better search on the
real problem you're facing, and try to fix that.
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816[09:41:01] <no_gravity> When I start a bash shell with
"bash", can I somehow insert an alias into it?
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825[09:43:21] <Rabalidad> @at0m thanks for your advice, due to
the nature of my work I need close to latest nvidia drivers
possible, and I want to have them provided by debian instead of the
.run file at nvidia webpage, that is why I consider moving to
testing
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826[09:43:32] <eightyone_> I’ve been having issues with
other distros and I think I may go back to Debian. Are you guys all
firm Debian believers ?
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830[09:44:30] <at0m> ,v nvidia-driver
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831[09:44:31] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1;
stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
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836[09:46:17] <Rabalidad> nvidia-driver is a bit old, 418.74, my
colleagues are using much newer
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840[09:48:25] <at0m> oops sorry was PgUp'd
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892[10:09:15] <Rabalidad48> oh look today I am a lucky bastard,
after dist-upgrade nvidia-smi says: NVIDIA-SMI 430.50 Driver
Version: 430.50 CUDA Version: 10.1
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902[10:16:24] <at0m> Rabalidad48: now, does it do what you need
it to do?
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905[10:16:52] <at0m> also, for further support, #debian-next on
OFTC
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907[10:17:06] <annadane> ,v nvidia-driver
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908[10:17:07] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1;
stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.50-2;
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910[10:17:25] <annadane> yeah, uh, i hope you're not mixing
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912[10:17:48] <annadane> !frankendebian
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913[10:17:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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issue I have I just noticed that I have stable and I prefer to have
testing
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917[10:18:45] <annadane> okay
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sample program even nvidia-smi says CUDA 10.1 enabled
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960[10:55:56] <np_complete> I wonder if the cuda toolkit
provided by debian is not working and I should get the CUDA toolkit
from nvidia
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1009[11:27:27] <np_complete> I noticed that the module nvidia-uvm
is not loaded, and if I try modprobe it, it returns no erro but
lsmod does not list it, is not there
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1015[11:35:15] <np_complete> dmesg shows nothing regarding that
morprobe
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1016[11:36:16] <ratrace> np_complete: what about modprobe with -v
or -nv ?
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1017[11:38:00] <np_complete> modprobe returns no error, and does
nothing
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1018[11:38:22] <ratrace> np_complete: even with -v ?
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1019[11:38:35] <np_complete> shows nothing
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1020[11:39:30] <np_complete> only wiers thing on my system is
that I have also the legacy 390xx drivers installed
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1021[11:40:03] <np_complete> should I do "apt remove --purge
*nvidia*" and then install nvidia-driver again?
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1022[11:40:35] <annadane> does anyone know if flatpak's new
version is due to make it into debian earlier than the day 10.2 gets
released? it's mentioned in the point release that it'll
be included but i thought point releaes are also just cumulative of
stuff that's come before
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1023[11:40:36] <ratrace> np_complete: I have no idea then, sorry.
that's unusual of modprobe to not do anything and stay silent
about it, even with -v
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1024[11:40:59] <annadane> or rather it's mentioned in the
email of the point release
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1025[11:41:07] <ratrace> np_complete: because it should either
error out, or show "insmod" line with -v
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1026[11:41:16] <np_complete> I will try to remove all purge, and
then install nvidia-driver again, wish me luck
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1028[11:41:35] <np_complete> some people suggest me to move to
Ubuntu 18.04 but I do not want,.
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1030[11:42:31] <unknown_> Who can unsolve this?
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1031[11:42:42] <unknown_> 7415963 789456123 74123 74123 74123698
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1032[11:42:55] <unknown_> 78952 7415963 789456123 14789653
789456123
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1033[11:43:03] <kadiro> ?
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1034[11:43:05] <annadane> unknown_, this is not a cryptography
channel
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1035[11:43:09] <annadane> do you have a debian question?
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1036[11:43:09] <ratrace> annadane: well the SUA mentions flatpak,
but not the version
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1037[11:43:11] <unknown_> 74123 74123698 74123
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1038[11:43:25] <kadiro> hmm spamming
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1043[11:44:03] <annadane> well whatever, i'm sure i can wait
until friday
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1044[11:44:15] <ratrace> saturday :)
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1045[11:44:15] <annadane> i considered using
stable-proposed-updates but i don't want to start that stuff
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1046[11:44:22] <annadane> yeah saturday
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1047[11:45:02] <ratrace> annadane: current version in p-u is
1.2.5-0+deb10u1 so I'm guessing that's coming with 10.2
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1049[11:45:40] <ratrace> at least, according to this (I'm
not sub'd the p-u repo):
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1050[11:45:50] <annadane> point releases are always a bit weird,
they're meant to be something people can use for offline debian
installs as a cumulative "here's everything you
missed" but they're also used as real, "let's
bundle eveything together to release on one day" things
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1054[11:49:27] <ratrace> AND they bring new stuff even if you
updated religiously up until that saturday
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1055[11:49:50] <ratrace> ferinstance, they bring ZFS slowdowns!
(still butthurt about it, obvs)
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1056[11:50:41] <annadane> to be fair it kind of does have to be
standardized a bit
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1057[11:50:48] <annadane> not every piece of software follows the
same release track
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1066[11:53:37] <annadane> and also screw nvidia. i'm going
to get AMD soon and then won't have to worry about "an old
nvidia-driver versus the one in backports" or whatever
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1067[11:54:04] <annadane> my card stops being fully supported in
2021 anyway, i think, so time to abandon ship
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1068[11:54:23] <ratrace> aye! and me also AMD cpu. I'm fed
up all these Intel bugs.
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1069[11:54:32] <ratrace> Black friday? CPU me baby!
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1070[11:54:33] <annadane> yep, AMD for both
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1071[11:54:46] <ratrace> ryzzzzzen. preciousssss.
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1072[11:55:18] <annadane> yeah i just don't know what
hardware to get so Stable supports it
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1074[11:56:44] <np_complete> so yeah, wiped out all *nvidia*, and
installed then nvidia-driver and nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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1075[11:57:08] <np_complete> nvidia-msi says: NVIDIA-SMI 430.50
Driver Version: 430.50 CUDA Version: 10.1
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1076[11:57:28] <np_complete> but sample apps do not work because
tell that insufficient CUDA driver version
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1078[11:59:30] <ratrace> annadane: Imma put gentoo on it for
maxxxxximum rice-up efficiency. no, actually, I am lol :)
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1079[11:59:46] <annadane> good for you, i have no patience to
figure out how to install gentoo
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1085[12:02:39] <np_complete> How to install CUDA using debian
packet manager? am I missing something? I have installed
nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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1092[12:05:42] <uso> The version of firefox-esr on buster is
older than the one on stretch, probably some timestamp. So it
refuses to start with the existing profiles after upgrade to buster.
Is there any way to force it to use the existing profiles?
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1094[12:06:33] <ratrace> ,v firefox-eser
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1095[12:06:34] <judd> No package named 'firefox-eser'
was found in amd64.
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1096[12:06:34] <ratrace> ,v firefox-esr
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1097[12:06:35] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch:
60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security:
68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb9u2;
buster-proposed-updates: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security:
68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1;
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1098[12:06:37] <judd> sid: 68.2.0esr-1+b1
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1103[12:07:34] <yno> :)
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1104[12:07:39] <uso> ratrace: the package version on buster is
newer, but firefox inside of it apparently not (maybe later build
date on stretch?), so firefox itself complains on start
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1105[12:07:46] <ratrace> uso: what versions do you see?
they're both supposed to be 68.2.0
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1106[12:08:11] <ratrace> uso: firefox --version shows Mozilla
Firefox 68.2.0esr for me
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1107[12:08:15] <ratrace> (on buster)
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1108[12:08:15] <uso> ratrace: indeed, both are 68.2.0
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1114[12:09:43] <ratrace> Guest14192: set up your IRC client for
SASL and stop risking your passwords like this ftw :)
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1116[12:10:04] <uso> nevertheless it complains and thinks that
the profiles are from a newer version
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1120[12:11:12] <uso> message on start: "Using an older
version of Firefox can corrupt bookmarks ..." and the choices I
have are "Create New Profile" and "Quit"
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1121[12:11:37] <ratrace> weird.
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1124[12:12:35] <uso> I have about a dozen profiles and do not
want to recreate them or can wait until a new firefox version
arrives on buster
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1133[12:15:37] <pradatir> is that a way to prefix a cpu core
dedicated to linux/subsystems ?
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1134[12:16:05] <pradatir> module, video input/output
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1135[12:16:10] <pradatir> graphics
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1153[12:30:12] <uso> The upgrade from stretch to buster aborted
when configuring packages and told me: "APT had planned for
dpkg to do more than it reported back" with a list of affected
packages. Re-running apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing. Is there a
way to automatically re-run the configuration step on the affected
packages? Do I have to run a dpkg-reconfigure on each of these
packages on my own? Or what can/should I do?
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1156[12:32:24] <n_1-c_k> uso, I saw that as a warning (prefixed
with "W:") when installing etckeeper a while ago. I used
the problem solving skill of "ignore it" which seems to
have worked.
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1158[12:33:38] <uso> n_1-c_k: yes, the messages are warnings,
I'm still a bit concerned that the affected packages are not
completely or properly installed
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1161[12:34:02] <uso> is there a way to verify the proper
installation of a package?
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1163[12:34:41] <n_1-c_k> 'dpkg --status', I guess?
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1166[12:35:30] <Fox> 'apt-get install -f' might solve a
few problems too
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1168[12:37:33] <uso> n_1-c_k: does dpkg --status really check the
package installation? I rather think is only reports the status from
the package DB
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1169[12:38:22] <uso> Fox: apt-get install -f also does nothing, I
guess I also will ignore these warnings until I run into problems :)
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1171[12:39:06] <uso> at least the system is booting and starting
up normally so far
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1173[12:39:50] <n_1-c_k> uso, such subtleties are beyond my ken
I'm afraid. If things are working you're probably fine.
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1216[13:00:34] <MTB2019> for auto updates do i have to modify the
default config file ?\
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1219[13:02:13] <ratrace> MTB2019: you mean using the
unattended-upgrades package?
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1222[13:03:04] <MTB2019> ratrace: yes
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1224[13:04:34] <ratrace> MTB2019: you don't have to modify
it but you can tweak it under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/... And also keep
in mind that it doesn't do all the security upgrades properly,
ie. won't reboot your system and won't restart services on
lib updates.
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1229[13:05:26] <MTB2019> ratrace: thats fine as i tend to shut
down my pc when i leave or when i sleep
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1233[13:06:56] <MTB2019> ratrace: here is the content of the
file. should i uncomment everything under ...
Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern {
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1235[13:07:02] <MTB2019> ?
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1239[13:08:23] <MTB2019> would that be a good idea?
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1240[13:08:36] <ratrace> !tell MTB2019 about unattended-upgrades
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1244[13:09:32] <MTB2019> ratrace: yeah sure i was reading that
guy but still...
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1258[13:21:26] <AndreasLutro> I'm building a package which
has a dependency. is it possible to add a pre-installation script
which runs before my dependency's post-install script is
invoked? something like pretrans in rpms?
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1273[13:32:21] <eggplant_emoji> AndreasLutro: Does that dependent
package do something to your system that can't be undone when
it gets to be your turn to postinst?
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1276[13:35:54] <eggplant_emoji> preinst sounds like it might be
it.
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1277[13:36:57] <AndreasLutro> eggplant_emoji: basically v1 of my
package did something wrong and is preventing upgrade of my
dependency because its postinst crashes, so I'm trying to find
the best way to build a v2 of my package which fixes the issue
before the dependency gets upgraded. preinst seems to be invoked
after the dependency's postinst
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1279[13:37:53] <AndreasLutro> so far best solution seems to be
using prerm and checking if [ "$1" = 'upgrade' ]
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1283[13:40:05] <eggplant_emoji> Oof
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1290[13:43:19] <ladderff> morning
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1291[13:43:24] <ladderff> EST
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1292[13:44:02] <wsky> .gm
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1293[13:44:28] <wsky> morning (UWT)
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1298[13:47:01] <AndreasLutro> that almost works, but
unfortunately apt doesn't seem to re-read /etc/environment
between my prerm script and the postinst of my dependency... I
can't find a way to set an environment variable specifically
for apt, nor a way to make apt re-read system environment variables
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1303[13:49:24] <kunkka> hi everyone
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1308[13:50:30] <kunkka> what about sharing
repo/package|folder/package.git
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1310[13:50:42] <kunkka> main/contrib
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1678[13:54:13] <dob1> hi, can I search files on subdirectories
(just first level) which creation date is between a range=
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1687[13:55:06] <ratrace> dob1: checked if find(1) has any options
for date ranges?
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1693[13:55:25] <dob1> ratrace, I was thinking the same
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1712[13:56:29] <thiras> hello. i'm trying to update from 9
to 10
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1719[13:56:47] <thiras> i've updated my source list and do
update and upgrade and then dist-upgrade
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1728[13:57:24] <thiras> but i'm getting Kernel must be
upgraded This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or
later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc.
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1763[14:00:05] <ratrace> thiras: and what's your kernel
version? uname -a
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1787[14:06:11] <thiras> i've found that it's openvz
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1788[14:06:16] <thiras> it's impossible to upgrade 10
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1790[14:07:05] <ratrace> consider switching away to way more
modern hosting solution, than an openvz container that you
can't upgrade, as you can see
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1817[14:18:42] <ELFrederich> With RPM based package managers I
can do proper source level modifications. Is this possible on
Debian? By proper I mean there is a process and set of tools which
gets the sources, applies the patches, and builds new .rpm files.
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1822[14:20:15] <eggplant_emoji> Yes, it is possible.
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1823[14:20:16] <ayekat> ELFrederich: yes, but Debian has a
fundamentally different approach to building packages than most
other distributions
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1825[14:20:36] <ayekat> for building debian packages, you
maintain a downstream fork of the code
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1828[14:21:03] <ayekat> so the process of "applying
patches" is not really part of the build process per-se
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1832[14:22:24] <ELFrederich> ayekat: ahh... with RHEL based
distros there is a .spec file which defines all patches and a
command which applies them. You end up with a source tree exactly as
it was when the original build was made. At that point you can add
your own patch to the .spec file and build your own set of .rpm
files
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1833[14:23:03] <ELFrederich> ayekat: I'm assuming Debian
also applies patches?... or does this fork already contain the
patches?
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1834[14:23:35] <ELFrederich> For reference:
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1835[14:23:35] <ayekat> ELFrederich: debian does apply patches -
the debian workflow is IMHO actually more suited for maintaining
downstream patches
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1838[14:23:52] <jelly> ELFrederich: sources and debian changes
(including package building framework and any patches to source) are
kept separate
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1840[14:24:03] <jelly> !nmg
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1841[14:24:03] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1844[14:24:16] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source
package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a
"deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like
"deb-src
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similar to what pacman/portage/nix/apkg do - but it helps to ignore
anything you know about packaging when approaching debian's way
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1870[14:34:07] <annadane> apkg?
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1872[14:35:51] <uso> torbrowser only gets me a black window on
buster. It might have to do with using awesome as a window manager,
but setting wmname to LG3D which helped for some java applications
does not help for torbrowser. Any ideas?
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1876[14:38:02] <Scruloose> I'm looking for suggestions for
what webserver to install for a modest home server (mostly for
static content, making files available to friends, that sort of
thing). Easy "let's encrypt" (certbot?) integration
is highly desirable, and my #1 priority is minimum headaches with
configuration and maintenance. Thoughts?
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1879[14:38:57] <FightingFalcon> Whats the best and simplest lazy
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1889[14:43:22] <n_1-c_k> Scruloose, I use lighttpd, though I have
no plans for "let's encrypt". Works well enough for
me.
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1892[14:44:21] <Scruloose> uso: my first thought is to try it on
a more... traditional window manager, to see whether that's
where the problem is coming from.
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1903[14:53:39] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Nginx is really simple to
configure, although of course you have many features you _could_
configure.
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1909[14:56:00] <Scruloose> karlpinc: As long as I'm not
running with insecure/broken/stupid defaults by completely ignoring
most of its capabilities, that could be a fine choice.
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1912[14:57:51] <Scruloose> n_1-c_k: I've looked at lighttpd
and been tempted. It doesn't seem to have certbot support, but
apparently it's fairly painless to do "let's
encrypt" auto-renewal via a systemd timer, so that's not
necessarily a deal-breaker.
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1949[15:13:39] <FightingFalcon> how go i get the file names of
this command WITHOUT directory names?
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1952[15:13:57] <greycat> if you're using -iname, it's
already case-insensitive, so you don't have to use both *.jpg
and *.JPG
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1954[15:14:59] <greycat> the easiest way to get "only the
filenames" would be to cd /var/replaced-url
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1955[15:15:50] <karlpinc> Scruloose: The nginx defaults do
nothing but serve static pages. Hard to be insecure with that.
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1956[15:16:14] <FightingFalcon> greycat, but i do run it from a
script
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1959[15:16:48] <greycat> scripts can cd
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1960[15:16:50] <FightingFalcon> is there a way to file name from
the input?
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1961[15:17:07] <greycat> you can use -printf and look up the
option to print "only the basename of the file" in the
manual
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1962[15:17:10] <FightingFalcon> extract***
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1964[15:17:17] <greycat> but as I said, cd'ing first is the
EASIEST
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1965[15:17:19] <karlpinc> Scruloose: In the end, anything works.
I always figure as long as I'm learning something I may as well
learn only one thing that will serve all my needs. I've used
lighttpd and like it too, but it's only suitable for some
tasks.
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1967[15:18:08] <Scruloose> karlpinc: heh! fair enough. I just
remember trying to set up Apache years ago and being confronted with
a tree of, I dunno, hundreds? of config files. It was about as
approachable as the cockpit of a jet-liner. That's what I want
to avoid.
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1968[15:18:34] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Apache's wack. It grew
like topsy, without a plan.
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1971[15:19:59] <FightingFalcon> Im in the same directory but
still directory names appear :(
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1972[15:20:14] <greycat> specify . as the starting point
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1974[15:20:32] <Scruloose> karlpinc: As long as I can extend it
from the totally simple default setup in manageable little chunks,
I'm inclined to favour your approach of learning one tool which
can grow with me if need be.
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1976[15:20:52] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Try and see.
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1977[15:20:55] <ratrace> greycat: FightingFalcon: how about using
basename on the result? -exec basename {} \; ?
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1978[15:21:18] <greycat> ratrace: -printf is a better choice as
long as it doesn't need to run on non-Debian systems
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1979[15:21:33] <greycat> but cd and find . is still the easist,
and is also 100% portable
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1980[15:21:40] <Scruloose> karlpinc: Can't argue with that!
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1983[15:23:14] <FightingFalcon> ratrace, i have no idea how to
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1985[15:23:40] <greycat> that's fine, because it's not
the best answer
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1986[15:23:47] <FightingFalcon> do cwebp -quiet -q 80 ${x} -o
/var/image${x}.webp;
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1987[15:23:54] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: greycat has a point, you
can use -printf '%f\n'
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1988[15:23:54] <greycat> QUOTES!!
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1989[15:24:04] <FightingFalcon> btw whats wrong with this? it
gives the error: line 3: $'\r': command not found
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1990[15:24:12] <greycat> FightingFalcon: carriage returns from
Windows/DOS
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1992[15:24:17] <ratrace> I keep forgetting find has a printf
function
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1993[15:24:23] <karlpinc> Scruloose: When I setup certbot I
always do the "certonly --webroot /foo" type of setup.
It's a little more work but includes no voodoo. You have to
understand that webroot is where a http connection is allowed to
connect, without https, and configure that for yourself. IIRC the
letsencrypt docs cover this. If not then the acme protocol rfc.
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1994[15:24:24] <FightingFalcon> what carriage
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1995[15:24:37] <greycat> \r is a carriage return character
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1996[15:24:42] <greycat> !cr
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1997[15:24:42] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, cr is
Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;)
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1998[15:24:47] <greycat> *sigh*
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1999[15:24:50] <greycat> /msg greybot cr
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2000[15:24:52] <dvs> heh
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2001[15:24:57] <FightingFalcon> huh
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2002[15:25:28] <FightingFalcon> so how do i correct it?
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2003[15:25:29] <karlpinc> Scruloose: It's all about how the
acme protocol works to validate you own the domain.
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2004[15:25:31] <greycat> some file was edited by a DOS/Windows
application and the line endings are different from what Linux uses
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2005[15:25:45] <FightingFalcon> ahhhhhhhhhh
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2006[15:25:46] <FightingFalcon> i got it
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2007[15:25:47] <FightingFalcon> thanks :d
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2008[15:25:47] <greycat> As greybot says, "See
replaced-url
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2009[15:26:18] <ratrace> why don't you invite the little
robot here as well
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2010[15:26:30] <greycat> we already have more than enough bots
here
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2013[15:27:05] <greycat> dpkg, cr is also See <replaced-url
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2014[15:27:06] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2015[15:27:55] <Scruloose> karlpinc: That definitely sounds like
it'
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2016[15:28:27] <Scruloose> oops, enter key != shift key
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2017[15:29:06] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Using "certonly"
you can setup for any webserver, not just the ones "supporting
integration".
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2018[15:30:28] <karlpinc> Scruloose: The nice thing about nginx
is that you can leave the default configs untouched and do your
configs in include files (in included directories). That way you
pick up any changes in the default configs as you upgrade the nginx
package.
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2019[15:30:43] <Scruloose> karlpinc: sounds like it'll be
helpful info--added to my notes file! My plan ultimately is to
redirect all incoming http connections to https, and I definitely
prefer solutions that minimize the amount of voodoo I don't
understand. Especially security solutions.
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2020[15:31:30] <karlpinc> Scruloose: The "trick" is to
_not_ redirect to https that part of document root that is used by
certbot.
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2021[15:31:31] <teclo-> afternoon, everytime I try to use ntpdate
to set the time on a machine, all I get is 14 Nov 15:30:56
ntpdate[6698]: no server suitable for synchronization found
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2022[15:31:50] <teclo-> tried different servers
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2027[15:32:11] <FightingFalcon> find /var/replaced-url
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2028[15:32:12] <teclo-> ntp.belnet.be
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2029[15:32:20] <FightingFalcon> this command doesnt work if there
is space in name file name :/
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2031[15:32:36] <greycat> FightingFalcon: you did not listen to a
SINGLE THING we told you. *plonk*
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2032[15:32:41] <greycat> Next!
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2037[15:33:47] <karlpinc> teclo-: Can it talk to the servers?
(Can you ping?) Is there something blocking the ntp ports? (use
hping or some such to test) Is there anything else in the logs?
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2038[15:33:47] <Scruloose> karlpinc: Oh! yes, good! So
unattended-upgrades can actually do some good. (also, noted re:
certbot's part of document root. Thanks!)
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2039[15:34:12] <teclo-> karlpinc: to me it can talk to the
servers, yes
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2040[15:34:18] <teclo-> I'll check by pinging
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2041[15:34:40] <teclo-> yeah the pings go through
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2044[15:35:07] <teclo-> karlpinc: which log should I look ?
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2045[15:35:16] <karlpinc> teclo-: Ping is only the most basic
level of connectivity. Next you need to check if traffic goes
through to that port.
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2046[15:35:34] <karlpinc> teclo-: /var/log/syslog (usually) has
everything but security sensitive stuff.
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2047[15:36:02] <teclo-> karlpinc: ok checking
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2048[15:36:02] <karlpinc> teclo-: "ntpq -p" might be
useful.
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2049[15:36:36] <karlpinc> teclo-: ntpq might be able to do other
diagnostics too.
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2050[15:37:15] <teclo-> hm ntpq isn't there.. I guess I need
to apt install ntpstat, right ?
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2051[15:37:28] <greycat> ,file bin/ntpq
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2052[15:37:30] <FightingFalcon> omg
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2053[15:37:33] <FightingFalcon> please help me
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2054[15:37:34] <judd> Search for bin/ntpq in buster/amd64: ntp:
usr/bin/ntpq; ntpsec: usr/bin/ntpq
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2055[15:37:46] <greycat> either ntp, or ntpsec, apparently
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2059[15:40:03] <teclo-> ntpq -p shows four remote servers
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2060[15:40:03] <FightingFalcon> Will you help me before i start
harming myself?
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2061[15:40:15] <teclo-> and I can't see the rest of the
hostname
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2062[15:40:32] <annadane> ...you got addressed by greycat
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2063[15:40:39] <annadane> and no new information since then
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2064[15:41:30] <greycat> teclo-: the .POOL. entries are just an
indicator that it'll look for one or more hosts in that pool.
The individual hosts are listed later.
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2068[15:43:40] <jelly> FightingFalcon: avoid making comments
about self-harm, that won't be tolerated in here
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2070[15:44:42] <teclo-> well it appears now I've got a ntp
server running
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2071[15:44:49] <teclo-> but ntpdate server still fails
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2072[15:45:00] <greycat> To recap, I told FightingFalcon that
they don't need to repeat *.jpg and *.JPG when they're
using -iname, and then ratrace and I gave them THREE options for how
to get to their desired solution, zero of which were used in their
example right before I /ignored.
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2073[15:45:25] <greycat> !ntpdate
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2074[15:45:25] <dpkg> ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained
program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp
package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's
default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in
/etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in
/etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not
ntpdate>.
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2082[15:50:19] <B|ack0p> hi
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2083[15:50:25] <B|ack0p> newly installed debian 10
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2084[15:50:39] <B|ack0p> i edited /etc/apt/sources.list for
non-free
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2085[15:50:53] <B|ack0p> but when i run update and full-upgrade
nothng installed
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2086[15:51:13] <B|ack0p> i need to get intel wireless please
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2087[15:51:28] <jelly> B|ack0p: that is fine. Nothing will happen
until you explicitely ask apt to install.
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2088[15:51:28] <B|ack0p> how can i do?
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2090[15:51:41] <B|ack0p> thx jelly
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2091[15:51:48] <B|ack0p> this is X61s not X40
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2092[15:52:04] <B|ack0p> so it will handle 64bit debian 10 fine
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2093[15:52:11] <B|ack0p> just i dont know how to setup wifi
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2095[15:54:34] <greycat> Figure out what your device (chipset)
is, then find instructions for how to handle that specific device,
then follow general instructions for how to configure a wireless
interface.
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2097[15:55:27] <B|ack0p> intel wifi 3495
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2098[15:55:48] <greycat> Either "lspci -nn" or
"lsusb" is typically the first step in identifying the
actual chipset.
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2100[15:56:47] <towo^work> apt instell firmware-iwlwifi
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2101[15:56:50] <B|ack0p> here is lspci :
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2103[15:57:02] <teclo-> greycat: ah thank you, I didn't know
ntpdate was "legacy"
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2104[15:57:09] <teclo-> or well, obsolete even
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2105[15:57:12] <greycat> ugh, is that the site where you have to
register to view the raw paste?
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2106[15:57:34] <greycat> oh, hmm, curl-ing it is close enough to
raw that I can read it
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2107[15:57:46] <B|ack0p> towo^work great thank you
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2108[15:57:54] <greycat> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel
Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
[8086:4227] (rev 02)
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2109[15:58:11] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:4227
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2111[15:58:13] <judd> [8086:4227] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation'
with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'iwl3945',
'ata-generic' in stretch. See also
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2120[16:03:15] <B|ack0p> back on wifi :p
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2123[16:03:32] <B|ack0p> i didnt install any window manager just
debian
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2124[16:03:39] <B|ack0p> i mean i left it default
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2125[16:03:51] <B|ack0p> so now how can i install gnome shell and
gnome classic look please?
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2129[16:06:50] <greycat> "gnome classic look" sounds
like "mate", right?
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2130[16:07:00] <greycat> !install mate
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2131[16:07:00] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established
systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get
install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also
install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using
Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog,
choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then
"Continue".
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2132[16:07:20] <B|ack0p> greycat: not really
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2133[16:07:22] <zenpac> Is there a standard/preferred way to
install docker on 10.1? I see conflicting advisement on mr. google.
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2134[16:07:28] <B|ack0p> i want plain gnome classic look
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2135[16:07:30] <greycat> Then, you want GNOME 3.x?
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2136[16:07:32] <greycat> !install gnome
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2137[16:07:32] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install
…» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer
default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3.
'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4.
'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5.
'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist,
not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about
<install x>.
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2139[16:08:41] <jelly> B|ack0p: if you have 2GB or less RAM on
that X61s, you might want something a bit more lean than Gnome, but
Gnome might probably work as well
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2140[16:08:54] <B|ack0p> jelly: 8gb ram
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2141[16:08:56] <greycat> You can try it and see how it goes.
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2143[16:09:10] <B|ack0p> greycat: it says task-gnome-desktop
already installed
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2144[16:09:20] <jelly> B|ack0p: oh, that's nice then
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2145[16:09:29] <B|ack0p> jelly: ddr2 but fine :p
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2146[16:09:42] <B|ack0p> it was rare 2x4gb ddr2 sticks
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2148[16:10:29] <B|ack0p> i regret not installing it at the
beginning :S
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2149[16:10:30] <B|ack0p> grrr
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2151[16:10:50] <B|ack0p> how can i install gnome xcfe and xde and
others ?
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2152[16:11:02] <B|ack0p> maybe it is better to reinstall
everything
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2153[16:11:17] <B|ack0p> i mean all those packs offered in debian
installation
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2158[16:13:37] <greycat> You could run tasksel.
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2159[16:13:47] <B|ack0p> ok brb
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2163[16:20:02] <teclo-> afternoon I'm a regular user of
Debian GNU/Linux and I just clean installed 10.1 on my new server...
I noticed that in text-mode the screen blanking has gone... is that
a feature ? Is that because nowadays "most people use a LCD/LED
screen" ?
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2166[16:21:37] <Ryblade> graphical login is not working in my
fresh buster install
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2167[16:21:59] <Ryblade> i chose Plasma as my DE in tasksel,
didn't choose any other DEs. on first boot, i'm at the
console instead of SDDM.
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2168[16:22:24] <Ryblade> systemctl says sddm.service is active
and running, but it isn't.
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2171[16:22:39] <greycat> Does startx work?
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2172[16:22:42] <Ryblade> startx works fine, yeah
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2173[16:22:54] <greycat> Tried Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F1?
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2174[16:23:01] <Ryblade> yeah, nothing's on F7
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2175[16:23:17] <Ryblade> F1 is just another console TTY
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2176[16:23:17] <greycat> Then I guess the next step would be
"journalctl -u sddm"
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2178[16:24:36] <Ryblade> just five lines, the typical Starting
and Started are the first two, followed by Initializing...
Starting... Logind interface found
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2179[16:25:05] <Ryblade> hold on, i'll get it on a pastebin
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2180[16:25:32] <greycat> I've got some stretch systems that
run kde/sddm and there's a whole lot more in journalctl.
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2182[16:25:55] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2183[16:27:20] <Ryblade>
replaced-url
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2185[16:27:55] <greycat> I don't know what that means.
Google it?
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2188[16:29:31] <B|ack0p> hi again
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2189[16:29:43] <B|ack0p> how can i install memtest86 and add in
grub menu?
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2196[16:32:20] <greycat> Ryblade: first google result I get is
from Arch, and they claim they needed to "add radeon module to
initramfs". Dunno if that's relevant on Debian.
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2198[16:32:47] <gladioacuto> hi
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2199[16:32:48] <Ryblade> yeah greycat i just finished reading
that myself, and i just happened to have installed a radeon, too.
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2201[16:32:54] <Ryblade> i think that may be the culprit
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2202[16:33:13] <Ryblade> gonna investigate further.
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2208[16:33:44] <gladioacuto> I am trying to use add ons in
firefox-esr on my debian buster, but I get no updated version
errors. But firefox-esr in Debian is at build number 68 and the
required one is 48. How to solve?
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2210[16:34:32] <greycat> Find a different add-on that achieves
the goal.
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2213[16:35:12] <gladioacuto> greycat, e.g. tg and whatsapp do not
have another addon achieving the same goal
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2214[16:35:36] * greycat googles ... oh, "tg" is this
"telegram" thing
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2217[16:36:36] <greycat>
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2233[16:40:30] <Lope> is mariadb functionally a replacement for
mysql?
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2235[16:40:34] <greycat> yes
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2237[16:41:59] <Haohmaru> you're all cheating on mysql with
this maria
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2238[16:42:09] <teclo-> ok so regarding that screen blanking
disabled by default on Debian 10.1 ... is that a feature ?
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2245[16:44:46] <Lope> greycat, my LXC container gave errors at
the end of installing mariadb-server. Should I be worried?
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2248[16:45:11] <Lope> it's an unprivleged LXC container.
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2250[16:45:35] <Lope> mariadb service is running
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2252[16:45:43] <Lope> so it couldn't have gone that badly.
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2256[16:46:34] <lunchslut> anyone here happen to multilingual and
take advantage for ibus/uim fcitx or something for input method
swithcing? ibu used to be all I neeeded, but quit working for me on
10.1
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2257[16:46:50] <lunchslut> i'eve go no diea how to begin
debugin it
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2258[16:46:54] <lunchslut> It is reproducible thuogh
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2284[16:59:08] <KungFuJesus> is it normal on debian testing for
/etc/os-release to indicate you're on sid?
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2285[17:00:03] <jelly> yes, KungFuJesus
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2288[17:01:33] <lunchslut> does anyone know why OFTC debian
doesnt permit tor-sasl users? I understand the inherent
comlications, but a DSBL could be used with expemtions added. Not
everyone want to connecto IRC in teh clear
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2290[17:02:11] <lunchslut> i'd ask there but i banned for
reason above :<
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2322[17:18:41] <Ryblade> hey greycat, just wanted to pop back in
and say thanks, i've got SDDM working now
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2323[17:18:49] <greycat> what did you have to do?
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2326[17:19:19] <Ryblade> i had to install some more packages
related to my video card.
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2327[17:19:38] <Ryblade> found an article on the wiki relating to
ATI/AMD cards, followed the Buster directions, bob's your uncle
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2328[17:19:38] <B|ack0p> all set
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2332[17:21:21] <B|ack0p> on gnome-classic mode how can i disable
dock that when i move the pointer at left-top corner?
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2333[17:21:24] <Ryblade> this one
replaced-url
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2334[17:21:50] <Ryblade> turns out i needed firmware that
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2335[17:22:09] <Ryblade> anyway, take care
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2339[17:24:11] <B|ack0p> when i move the cursor at left-top dock
is appearing
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2340[17:24:14] <B|ack0p> annoying
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2341[17:24:24] <B|ack0p> i already have applications at top-bar
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2342[17:24:29] <B|ack0p> how can i disable that dock?
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2360[17:34:02] <jelly> lunchslut: I _think_ the workaround is to
authenticate your NickServ user (with CertFP) and then you get a
different cloak, but I'm not 100% sure that applies correctly
to Tor connections
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2361[17:34:32] <jelly> lunchslut: #oftc channel over there might
know.
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2365[17:35:39] <jelly> lunchslut: in other words, you can't
be both Tor and anonymous at the same time, you need to be
pseudonymous, so we are able to ban your ass if you misbehave
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2368[17:36:58] <jelly> tor-sasl ought to work
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2377[17:40:57] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS
replaced-url
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2378[17:40:57] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS
replaced-url
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2379[17:40:58] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS
replaced-url
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2380[17:40:59] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS
replaced-url
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2382[17:41:19] <B|ack0p> huh
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2384[17:42:46] <lunchslut> jelly: understanably, i jsut figured
it was similar to tor that you get a /tor-sasl/username cloak that
is bannable
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2385[17:43:06] <lunchslut> and given that debian hosts hidden
service mirriso i didn think it'd be restrictive :)
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2386[17:43:14] <lunchslut> ill make sure im registered
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2387[17:43:19] <jelly> lunchslut: from #oftc, <pastly> (1)
oftc doesn't support sasl. (2) registered and verified users
can enable their cloak and get into anti-tor rooms with their cloak
on
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2388[17:44:02] <lunchslut> damn, bummer. OK
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2389[17:44:11] <lunchslut> thanks for looking into it for e
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2390[17:44:16] <kadiro> o.O
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2392[17:44:40] <jelly> lunchslut: CertFP is probably good enough,
look at that
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2393[17:44:54] <ctrlrisc> is there a way to extract xar archives
in linux other than using xar, which is long out of date and
unbuildable? Google is giving me nothing, and I'm wondering if
I'm missing something
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2397[17:45:21] <jelly> ctrlrisc: this is the first time I've
heard of xar, do you have an example file?
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2399[17:46:00] <ctrlrisc> jelly: uh. well, I'm trying to
extract some fonts from apple, apparently they use it for making pkg
files
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2400[17:46:43] <ctrlrisc> as far as I can tell, Google created it
back in 2007, then apple started using it in OSX, and the last
update to the code on github was 7 years ago
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2401[17:46:53] <jelly> oh, do you have an example file that you
can legally share?
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2402[17:46:56] <ctrlrisc> it uses libssl1.0, which isn't
available anymore
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2404[17:47:05] <ctrlrisc> hang on, there's a link on
apple's site
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2406[17:47:33] <ctrlrisc>
replaced-url
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2408[17:48:17] <ctrlrisc> I downloaded the SF Mono font, which
comes as a DMG. I used 7zip to extract it, which gives a pkg, while
file says is an xar archive
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2409[17:48:26] <ctrlrisc> $ file SF\ Mono\ Fonts.pkg
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2410[17:48:29] <ctrlrisc> SF Mono Fonts.pkg: xar archive version
1, SHA-1 checksum
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2411[17:48:47] <uniqdom> getting the md5sum of a big file turns
my system unresponsive. what could be the problem?
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2415[17:49:17] <jelly> ctrlrisc: you can set up a debian 8 chroot
if you have a binary that requires libssl.so.1.0.0, install
libssl1.0.0 and run it in there
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2416[17:49:17] <uniqdom> it's a i7 with 16GB
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2417[17:49:27] <ctrlrisc> I wish I understood autoconf scripts, I
can't figure out why this isn't detecting openssl libs
tho. The function it's trying to check for exists still, and I
got a test program to compile
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2418[17:49:29] <uniqdom> could it be the io scheduler of the hdd?
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2419[17:49:48] <kadiro> uniqdom, see what dmesg gives you
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2420[17:49:51] <HEX0> any idea which debian could it be if uname
returns "3.2.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.102-1 x86_64
GNU/Linux"
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2421[17:49:58] <jelly> !debian suite
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2422[17:49:58] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release
-sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the
distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab
almost all distributions.
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2423[17:50:00] <jelly> HEX0: ^
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2425[17:50:07] <ctrlrisc> jelly: woof. Heh I think I'm going
to just not bother. I got linked to those fonts on a reddit post and
was just curious
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2429[17:50:55] <jelly> ctrlrisc: and googling "unpack apple
fonts on linux" does not yield useful results?
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2431[17:50:56] <HEX0> jelly: thanks it says wheezy
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2433[17:51:05] <uniqdom> kadiro: there are no messages related to
this. the last message was about a USB mouse connected early in the
morning, and the system becoming unresponisve was a few minutes ago.
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2434[17:51:07] <jelly> HEX0: that's Debian 7, wheezy
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2435[17:52:16] <kadiro> ah you already said that the file is big,
it could be that
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2438[17:53:29] <uniqdom> the io scheduler selected for this hdd
is [mq-deadline]
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2439[17:53:49] <ctrlrisc> jelly: not for this case. "xar
linux build" and any variant just mentions installing
libssl1.0-dev which used to exist but not anymore. I'd like to
ideally fix the xar code to build with openssl1.1 so that we have
that tool for the future
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2440[17:53:58] <HEX0> jelly: is there wheezy specific
documentation which covers default logger init and everything
specific to it?
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2441[17:54:01] <jelly> uniqdom: which debian release is this?
running md5sum on a single file should not cause responsiveness
issues. Maybe if the file is on a USB2 external device and
you're really unlucky with drivers.
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2442[17:54:31] <uniqdom> i'm on testing
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2443[17:54:33] <jelly> ctrlrisc: I'd build it in a jessie or
stretch chroot.
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2444[17:54:41] <greycat> HEX0: wheezy used sysvinit, and only had
a "technology preview" of systemd. It's highly likely
you're just using regular sysvinit from the good old days.
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2448[17:55:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell HEX0 about wheezy release notes
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2449[17:55:31] <jelly> uniqdom: what does "uname -a"
say?
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2451[17:56:02] <HEX0> and for daemon supervisor?
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2452[17:56:11] <B|ack0p> how can i disable/remove gnome dock
please?
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2453[17:56:28] <greycat> HEX0: are you asking "how does
sysvinit work?" Poorly.
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2454[17:56:29] <jelly> HEX0: there is no daemon supervisor by
default.
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2455[17:56:42] <greycat> legacy init.d shell scripts
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2456[17:56:55] <greycat> multiple layers of bolted-on cruft
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2457[17:57:08] <HEX0> greycat: I'm just sshed into foreign
server trying to figure it out
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2458[17:57:11] <uniqdom> jelly: Linux ares 5.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 5.2.17-1 (2019-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2459[17:57:15] <jelly> HEX0: sysvinit does not do that. You can
set up your own with tools like "monit" or replace
functionality with "runit" or "daemontools"
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2460[17:57:17] <ctrlrisc> jelly: that would solve the immediate
problem, but I'm just amazed that this code has gone completely
unmaintained. I'm going to poke around with rewriting it to not
depend on openssl1.0
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2462[17:57:50] <jelly> ctrlrisc: that probably just says people
who switched to OSX do not care about switching back
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2463[17:58:45] <jelly> uniqdom: that looks like testing alright.
Ask in the right channel, maybe file a bug report esp. if it happens
on multiple systems.
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2465[17:58:50] <jelly> !debian-next
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2466[17:58:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2467[17:58:55] <jelly> uniqdom: ^ the right channel
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2468[17:59:00] <uniqdom> ok thanks
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2480[18:03:34] <elm_> can anyone tell me what desktop environment
debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso employs?
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2482[18:03:46] <greycat> None?
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2483[18:03:51] <elm_> it is neither xfce, nor gnome, nor cinnamon
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2485[18:04:00] <elm_>
replaced-url
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2486[18:04:01] <greycat> That would be my guess, anyway. If
that's not correct, ask the #debian-live channel on OFTC.
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2488[18:04:23] <elm_> yes, you will be right
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2489[18:04:57] <karlpinc> ctrlrisc: As long as you're going
to maintain it, you might consider using libressl instead of
openssl. I'm not advocating libressl, but am also not
advocating openssl.
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2490[18:05:45] <jelly> karlpinc: is libressl in debian?
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2491[18:06:05] <karlpinc> jelly: I _thought so. Lemme look.
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2492[18:06:05] <elm_> you mean irc.debian.org?
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2494[18:06:18] <elm_> I need to know the password for the screen
saver as well
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2495[18:06:23] <greycat> wooledg:~$ host irc.debian.org
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2496[18:06:23] <greycat> irc.debian.org is an alias for
irc.geo.oftc.net.
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2498[18:06:35] <greycat> !live password
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2499[18:06:36] <dpkg> i heard live password is The debian-live
images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user
; password: live
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2500[18:06:58] <jelly> dpkg, literal live password
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2501[18:06:58] <dpkg> "live password" is "The
debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use.
username: user ; password: live"
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2503[18:07:20] <jelly> dpkg, live password =~
s/The/<reply>The/
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2504[18:07:20] <dpkg> OK, jelly
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2505[18:07:32] <karlpinc> jelly: Guess not. So much for that.
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2512[18:10:37] <FightingFalcon> I want to make a script so that
whenever i upload a jpg file to a specified directory, the script
will convert the jpg file. is this possible?
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2514[18:12:44] <jelly> FightingFalcon: yes, it's possible
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2517[18:13:13] <jelly> I suspect you'll have another
question immediately after that answer, tho
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2519[18:14:28] <FightingFalcon> no no, i need tips
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2521[18:14:41] <jelly> FightingFalcon: ##programming is over
there however -> or if it involves web services, maybe try #web
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2531[18:18:21] <ctrlrisc> karlpinc: from what I can see so far, I
think this archiver only uses ssl for the MD5 code. I'm pretty
sure I can pull that from somewhere else
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2532[18:18:24] <jelly> FightingFalcon: free general hint: you can
separate the problem into functional blocks and then attack them one
at a time eg. 1) how to detect a new file in a directory 2) how to
make sure the file is complete and not still being uploaded 3) how
to find out which file(s) are new and which have been dealt with
already 3) how to do the desired conversion on a file
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2534[18:18:53] <ctrlrisc> karlpinc: the whole of SSL is a
nightmare, I'd rather just completely remove any dependency on
it or any derivation thereof
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2535[18:18:57] <B|ack0p> how can i solve this problem? bluetooth
hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
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2536[18:19:14] <FightingFalcon> o m
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2537[18:19:16] <FightingFalcon> o my god
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2539[18:19:19] <FightingFalcon> im a newbie
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2540[18:19:36] <jelly> FightingFalcon: we were ALL newbies once,
that's okay
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2541[18:19:49] <jelly> judd: file brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
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2542[18:19:54] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with
that file.
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2544[18:20:46] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: incron can be useful
for isolating processing from a webserver.
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2545[18:20:47] <jelly> FightingFalcon: don't get panicked,
programming is not hard, but it requires some focus and perseverance
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2547[18:21:13] <jelly> and it should probably be taught in
elementary schools, these days
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2548[18:21:36] <jelly> but it's still out of scope for an
operating system / distro channel
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2549[18:21:38] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: And you need to do
things like learn to use an editor, understand file system
permissions, and so forth before you can really get started.
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2550[18:21:57] <jelly> they don't need to "understand
file system permissions" to get STARTED
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2556[18:23:33] <karlpinc> jelly: Well, ok. No. Before putting a
web page on the web though you'd better be sure that the whole
world does not have write permissions to it.
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2557[18:23:42] <FightingFalcon> ...
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2559[18:25:10] <karlpinc> There's just an annoying number of
yaks to shave is my point.
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2562[18:26:18] <B|ack0p> bluetooth issue fixed
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2567[18:27:11] <ratrace> even better: before you deploy a linux
server onto public internet, you better be sure you know what
you're doing, or else you'll get pwn'd and then your
box will be used to attack mine, and I don't like that.
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2577[18:30:59] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: The whole point is to
do stuff, which means making mistakes. So don't sweat it.
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2578[18:31:27] <jelly> but also, ask in the right place for the
question
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2580[18:32:04] <FightingFalcon> thanks karlpinc
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2581[18:32:06] <karlpinc> First ask your distro, then ask the
original software authors, then go looking for advice from random
strangers on the net.
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2583[18:34:42] <FightingFalcon> yep
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2600[18:41:55] <lunchslut> jelly: Damn, even CertFP didn't
help. :( Looks like they just baned all hostnames *tor-dnsbl* but
thanks for the suggestions :)
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2604[18:43:05] <jackal> hello, why apt rei<TAB> doesnt
autocomplete to reinstall and how to fix it?
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2605[18:43:18] <jackal> running testing with bash as shell
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2606[18:43:27] <lunchslut> oh but nevermind, i can get a public
cloak it seems
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2607[18:43:43] <jelly> lunchslut: talk to oftc NickServ about
getting a per-user cloak, activate that cloak, and try again
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2610[18:44:37] <jelly> lunchslut: and try not to act surprised
when you finally join official #debian and it's less than half
the size of this one
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2624[18:56:26] <karlpinc> jackal: Are you pressing tab twice?
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2625[18:56:52] <karlpinc> (In case there's more than one
autocomplete.)
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2627[18:57:33] <mutante> no, i can confirm the issue he
describes. autocomplete does not work for "apt reinstall"
while it DOES work for "apt <something else>"
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2628[18:57:51] <mutante> just "apt <tab>" by
itself also shows all the options but not "reinstall"
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2629[18:58:09] <mutante> i am also wondering now where to fix
that
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2630[18:58:34] <greycat> That would be in the bash-completion
stuff, which is either shipped in the apt package, or in the
bash-completion package.
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2633[18:59:08] <karlpinc> mutante: Somewhere there's a giant
completion database. I suspect that the way to fix it is to use a
backported newer version. Hopefully it's just data and painless
to backport.
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2634[18:59:15] <greycat>
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2635[18:59:18] <jackal> karlpinc, more than once or twice ;)
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2637[19:00:05] <mutante> aha, so for apt it is in the apt package
and NOT in the separate autocompletion package. interesting
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2638[19:00:48] <jackal> how come no one reported this or its not
fixed when it documented in its manpage
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2639[19:00:57] <greycat> !siyh
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2640[19:00:57] <dpkg> hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How?
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2642[19:01:04] <mutante> " # supported options per
command" "--reinstall --solver"
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2643[19:01:29] <mutante> jackal: see in
/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt
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2644[19:01:42] <jackal> mutante, aware of that but reinstall
alone is shorter :P
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2645[19:01:42] <mutante> jackal: nobody reported it yet? i guess
you should use "reportbug" on apt package
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2647[19:02:26] <jackal> im not 100% sure its not reported, i only
assumed that since its not fixed
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2648[19:02:35] <mutante> jackal: somebody forgot to add
"reinstall" to line 73?
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2649[19:02:36] <greycat> *snort*
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2650[19:02:54] <karlpinc> !stable
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2651[19:02:54] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release
when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will
only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed
in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is
Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are
fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me
about <security backports>).
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2652[19:03:03] <greycat> Non-security bug fixing tends to be
glacially slow
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2653[19:03:04] <mutante> greycat: what does that comment mean?
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2654[19:03:04] <karlpinc> It won't get fixed until the next
major release.
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2657[19:03:25] <greycat> karlpinc: *if* it's reported, and
*if* the maintainer of that particular package happens to care
enough
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2658[19:03:36] <jelly> karlpinc: surely it's the software
authors that best know which completable options and parameters
there are for their executables, not some giant database
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2659[19:03:44] <jackal> karlpinc, good point! i dont have stable
running, curious if anyone running it can confim?
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2660[19:03:47] <jackal> confirm*
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2662[19:04:04] <mutante> jackal: confirmed on buster
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2667[19:04:58] <karlpinc> jelly: Poor wording. The giant db is
built of smaller units. It's only giant on a running box.
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2671[19:05:25] <karlpinc> jelly: Anyway, you're right. The
db isn't separate from the software.
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2676[19:06:31] <karlpinc> (So there won't be something
separate to backport.)
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2679[19:08:08] <jackal> mutante, so if i add reinstall to line
73, how to make it work? sourcing that file or /etc/bash_complete
doesnt change anything
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2680[19:08:52] <mutante> jackal: i dont know either. i just tried
and also saw no difference when i expected one :(
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2681[19:09:03] <greycat> There's a small #bash-completion
channel on OFTC.
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2682[19:09:20] <karlpinc> jackal: If you mess with that file it
will likely get overwritten next time the package is updated.
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2683[19:09:50] <karlpinc> jackal: (I've not looked, but
seems likely.)
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2685[19:10:14] <mutante> it sure seems like you would want to add
it to the "local COMMANDS=(" (line 38) but did not work
for me
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2690[19:10:57] <FightingFalcon> karlpinc i made the script with
inotifywait
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2692[19:11:17] <mutante> yea, messing with that file would be
overwritten by package reinstall but at least you could already make
a suggested patch to fix it
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2694[19:13:07] <jackal> mutante, i figured it out
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2696[19:13:22] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: Note that inotify is
not guarenteed. You'll need to run a cron job or something to
cleanup just in case it misses an event.
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2697[19:13:34] <jackal> add "reinstall" to line 42
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2698[19:13:40] <jelly> mutante, jackal: you can use dpkg-divert
to make package upgrades not overwrite your custom file
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2699[19:14:01] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: (In actual practice, it
will always work. Until it doesn't. :)
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2700[19:14:03] <jelly> if it's not a conffile
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2701[19:14:13] <mutante> jackal: ah, i did that too but just
failed to "source" it. works :)
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2702[19:14:22] <jackal> yep
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2703[19:14:37] <FightingFalcon> karlpinc, for some reason .sh
script gives error about #!/bin/bash
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2708[19:15:48] <Lope> I resolved the problem I was having with
the unprivleged container earlier if anyone's interested. I had
accidentally clobbered the ownership of everything to UID 100000
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2709[19:16:13] <Cyb0ti> Oh my... Thanks for the info
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2725[19:21:45] <FightingFalcon> karlpinc, so this bash script
will turn off when i close the terminal window right?
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2729[19:23:30] <currybullen> is using the esp as the boot
partition generally a thing in debian?
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2737[19:26:01] <jelly> currybullen: no
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2738[19:26:27] <jelly> separate /boot and /boot/efi (where ESP
gets mounted to in Linux)
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(esp), sda2 (boot partition) and sd3 (root partition), sda1 would be
mounted at /boot and sda2 at /boot/efi?
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2746[19:29:35] <currybullen> ah, right
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2781[19:50:46] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: Unless you use
"nohup". But that's probably not the right way to do
it. Likely, you either want a systemd service or a cron job.
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2782[19:51:24] <greycat> nohup is a vestigial command, serving
virtually no purpose in this century
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2789[19:53:01] <revolutionary> is there any resource about
installing encrypted physical volume on EFI systems? I couldn't
find
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2800[19:56:49] <revolutionary> on Buster
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2803[19:58:25] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Why would EFI matter?
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2806[20:00:14] <revolutionary> karlpinc: i want to use EFI's
secure feature
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2807[20:00:23] <revolutionary> is this unnecessary?
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2808[20:01:18] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Depends on the threat
model. You probably want to install the cryptsetup package and read
its readme.debian.
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2809[20:01:21] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
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2810[20:01:21] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a
document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains
any Debian specific details in the package's operation or
configuration.
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2811[20:02:00] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Otherwise, read the
install guide.
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2814[20:02:33] <revolutionary> karlpinc: actually no. i want to
install encrypted Debian Buster with debian-installer on UEFI BIOS.
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2816[20:03:33] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Then read the buster
install guide.
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2818[20:04:22] <revolutionary> karlpinc: where is it? I
couldn't find EFI installing steps with encrypted install
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2822[20:06:08] <karlpinc> I don't know offhand and
can't look now.
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2823[20:06:15] <revolutionary> i se
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2824[20:06:17] <revolutionary> see*
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2826[20:06:48] <ws2k3> so i have a few vpn client. when they open
the vpn tunnel they see this error /sbin/ip addr add dev tun0
172.15.145.232/24 broadcast 172.15.145.255
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2827[20:06:48] <ws2k3> Error: Invalid prefix for given prefix
length. what could this be?
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2828[20:06:52] <choice> Hello! I have a VM that is supposed to
have 50GB of disk space. But in "df -h" I only see 28GB
mounted to / and some other very small devices. Where is the rest?
How do I find out?
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2829[20:07:07] <revolutionary> if someone knows that would be
great. Thanks
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2830[20:07:19] <telmich> choice: try fdisk -l
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2832[20:08:21] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Start here:
replaced-url
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2834[20:09:04] <choice> telmich: Thanks. That shows me a sda of
50GiB, sda1 with 487M and sda2 with 29.5G. Where are the other 20GB?
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2836[20:09:33] <greycat> unpartitioned, it sounds like
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2837[20:09:34] <karlpinc> ws2k3: It means you have bits set in
the host part of your network mask. 232 turns on bits to the right
of bit 24.
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2839[20:10:02] <karlpinc> ws2k3: You probably want
172.15.145.0/24
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2841[20:10:17] <choice> greycat: So they give you a 50G disk with
20 G unpartitioned?
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2842[20:10:26] <greycat> who's "they"
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2843[20:10:39] <B|ack0p> lagg
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2847[20:10:48] <annadane> the demons
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2848[20:11:03] <choice> greycat: The provider.
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2850[20:11:28] <ws2k3> karlpinc hmm. no i dont think so. in my
openvpn server i have this ifconfig-push 172.15.145.232
255.255.255.0 which tells the vpn client the ip it should use
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2851[20:11:51] <Ankman> choice: may be when installed on a
windows pc the missing part consists of the hidden partiton of the
windows installation partition?
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2852[20:12:20] <Ankman> fdisk -l might show it
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2853[20:12:43] <choice> Ankman: It is a Linux VM.
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2854[20:12:55] <Ankman> dang
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2856[20:13:55] <karlpinc> choice: Google for SSD write
amplification. That could be why. Although 20G unused seems twice
what'd be required worst case.
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2859[20:14:19] <choice> karlpinc: What is that?
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2860[20:14:23] <karlpinc> ws2k3: I don't recall the syntax,
but that's your problem.
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2861[20:15:05] <karlpinc> choice: It means that hardware is
designed for marketing reasons.
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2863[20:15:47] <jelly> ws2k3: shouldn't you upgrade to
ws2k12r2
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2865[20:15:52] <Ankman> choice: it might also be possible your VM
does not show the Linux partition. i would't worry about this
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2867[20:15:59] <revolutionary> karlpinc: that page is not that i
am looking for. Thanks, reserved
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2868[20:16:42] <choice> Ankman: How do I check that?
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2871[20:19:38] <Ankman> choice: use the linux host, open a shell
and type df
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2873[20:20:34] <choice> Ankman:
replaced-url
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2881[20:22:53] <Ankman> choice: looks like linux has 474730
available
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2884[20:23:29] <somiaj> df -h will give you more readable numbers
(like MB, GB, etc)
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2885[20:23:32] <choice> Ankman: What does that mean?
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2887[20:23:48] <somiaj> choice: it is the number of bytes
avaiable, though add a -h for more reasonable numbers.
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2888[20:23:55] <Ankman> your VM seems not to see the full
partition. suppose that's normal to no worry about it
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2890[20:24:20] <choice> Ankman: "see the full
partition"?
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2891[20:24:21] <Ankman> you see in your VM only the space you
allocated to it
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2892[20:25:14] <Ankman> which is less than you have available on
Linux itself. suppose that's normal and i would not worry about
it
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2893[20:25:34] <choice> Ankman: I don't understand. How do I
get the full 50GB?
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2894[20:25:57] <choice> I noticed bacause I tried to create a
20GB file in / and it failed because "no more space on
device".
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2908[20:29:51] <Ankman> choice: your /dev/sda1 has 474730 (almost
50) available. you might have assigned a smaller portion the the OS
running in the VM. the OS in the VM cannot see how much space the
host has available, which is a good thing
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2911[20:30:49] <rander2> hello all
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2912[20:31:17] <jelly> Ankman: that's a 500MB /boot,
it's not problematic
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2913[20:32:00] <Ankman> sda1 should have 35 GB bytes available.
no idea why 20GB allocated to the VM weren't not enough though
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2916[20:32:31] <jelly> choice: since you have LVM, you can use
"vgs" to see if there's free space in the volume
group. You can also use "lsblk" for a quick overview of
how disk space is sliced up.
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2917[20:32:47] <rander2> I'm going to reinstall debian, how
may I copy a list of all installed packets, and replay it into new
installation ?
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2919[20:32:55] <greycat> !clone debian
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2921[20:33:00] <greycat> ...
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2922[20:33:10] <greycat> !debian clone
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2923[20:33:10] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to
take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you
want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections >
~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other
machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections <
~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask
me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to
backup> <apt-clone>.
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2924[20:33:15] <jelly> !pal greycat
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2925[20:33:16] * dpkg points at greycat and laughs hysterically
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2926[20:33:28] <choice> jelly: Well, I guess I first have to
enlarge /dev/sda2 to use all 50GB
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2928[20:33:59] <jelly> choice: sorry, I missed the /dev/sda and
/dev/sda2 sizes if you have shown them.
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2929[20:34:00] <rander2> thx greycat
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2931[20:34:22] <Ankman> rander2: try Clonezilla
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2933[20:34:29] <choice> jelly: sda2 is 30GB and hosts the lvm
shit.
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2934[20:35:20] <jelly> choice: good. You can grow that partition,
reboot, then grow the lvm PV, then grow the lvm LV and filesystem
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2935[20:35:47] <rander2> Ankman, clonezilla is to clone disks or
patitions, it's different
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2936[20:36:14] <choice> jelly: I now did "parted
/dev/sda" and inside that I did "resizepart 2 100%".
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2938[20:36:59] <jelly> choice: you will probably need a reboot
for the kernel to become aware of the new size of the partition
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2939[20:37:03] <choice> jelly: Looks like that enlarged
/dev/sda2" to 50GB
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2940[20:37:08] <beinbliss4> hi, i have apt downloaded
linux-source-4.19 on stretch. But when i `make` it i get
linux-image-4.19.67-rt24 deb is this ok? Why i get RT version?
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2944[20:37:50] <choice> jelly: fdisk -l already shows the 50G
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2947[20:38:53] <choice> Running "pvresize /dev/sda2"
now ...
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2948[20:38:54] <jelly> choice: fdisk and parted manipulate and
read the disk directly. The kernel is not aware the partition
changed under its feet, however. Look at /proc/partitions (numbers
are 512B sectors IIRC)
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2951[20:39:03] <Ankman> choice: that means the OS in your VM
doesn't see the linux partition. that's normal, don't
worry about it (ignore it).
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2953[20:39:32] <choice> jelly: Looks like "pvresize
/dev/sda2" changed the size of the lvm thing to 50G
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2954[20:39:37] <choice> jelly: Rebooting now ...
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2955[20:39:45] <jelly> choice: if "pvs" now shows 50G
you don't even need to reboot
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2956[20:39:58] <choice> jelly: Just for my sanity :)
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2957[20:40:04] <Ankman> :-)
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2958[20:40:21] <choice> I prefer to check if the reboot goes
well.
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2959[20:40:30] <jelly> no need. at work we split /boot and lvm
into separate disks just to be able to avoid partitions and
rebooting
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2960[20:40:33] <Ankman> good luck
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2963[20:41:11] <jelly> but more often than not, parted asking the
kernel to reread the partition table just does not work
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2964[20:41:20] <choice> /dev/mapper/vg00-lv01 is still at 28G
though.
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2965[20:41:21] <choice> Do I have to resize that one as well?
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2966[20:41:24] <jelly> and _then_ one needs a reboot
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2967[20:41:51] <jelly> choice: yes. Before that, do you now see
free space in the VG? "vgs"
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2969[20:42:19] <jelly> choice: if so, you can lvresize / lvextend
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2970[20:42:20] <choice> jelly: Yes, 20G free
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2971[20:42:27] <choice> jelly: Like this? lvresize -l +100%FREE
/dev/vg00/lv01
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2974[20:42:52] <jelly> choice: that's good. If you're
on a recent Linux you can also add -r so lvresize will also resize
the filesystem
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2976[20:43:03] <choice> jelly: Too late :)
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2977[20:43:14] <jelly> otherwise you need to call the appropriate
filesystem resizing tool as the last step
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2979[20:43:22] <jelly> resize2fs for ext4
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2980[20:43:23] <choice> jelly: ok
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2981[20:44:20] <jelly> choice: I'd advise not to allocate
the whole free space in VG immediately
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2983[20:44:40] <jelly> choice: it can be useful to be able to do
snapshots, eg. for consistent backups
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2984[20:44:46] <choice> Too late :)
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2985[20:44:54] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2986[20:45:02] <choice> "resize2fs /dev/vg00/lv01"
already did its work.
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2987[20:45:06] <choice> I will reboot again...
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2988[20:45:09] <jelly> no need
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2989[20:45:18] <choice> Just for my sanity
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2990[20:45:24] <jelly> that's it. resize2fs and lvresize are
online operations.
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2991[20:45:30] <choice> jelly: Thanks a ton!
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2992[20:46:13] <jelly> if things have gone horribly wrong and
something was corrupted, you'd either fail at first reboot, or
you won't see it until something actually goes writing in the
new space
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2993[20:46:32] <choice> jelly: Ok
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2996[20:47:17] <jelly> but it's unlikely. This is commonly
exercised functionality and ought to pretty much Just Work™
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3001[20:48:48] <jelly> I am kind of surprised kernel saw the new
size before first reboot, that does not happen often for me and I
have no idea why it usually does not work
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3003[20:50:07] <revolutionary> jelly: do you know any resource
for installing encrypted Buster on EFI system?
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3004[20:50:19] <jelly> revolutionary: buster install guide?
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3006[20:50:36] <jhutchins_wk> There's a rescan-scsi-bus
script on some distros.
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3008[20:51:02] <revolutionary> jelly: i couldn't find the
exact place
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3009[20:51:24] <revolutionary>
replaced-url
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3010[20:51:36] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: that was during 2.2-2.6
times. Seeing the new whole disk size is not a problem. Convincing
the kernel to update its idea of partition sizes is.
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3011[20:51:55] <revolutionary> because that page is not
explaining for installing encrypted Buster on EFI system
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3013[20:52:27] <jelly> revolutionary: You basically just do the
normal installation, debian-installer guesses whether you have UEFI
or not, and then you lead it to do encryption.
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3014[20:52:54] <jelly> but I have not tested it with buster.
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3017[20:53:21] <revolutionary> jelly: i know but i want to use
manual partitioning for changing encryption cipher and other options
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3019[20:54:12] <jelly> the usual way ought to end up with all the
UEFI stuff being created, an unencrypted partition for /boot, and
the rest on lvm on luks partition.
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3023[20:55:11] <revolutionary> jelly: as i understand i should
create EFI System partition and also /boot partition and rest on lvm
on luks, correct?
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3025[20:55:43] <jelly> revolutionary: good luck then. You can
always boot a live cd, format stuff to your liking, mount the
filesystems, then debootstrap and install kernel, boot loader,
cryptsetup and bits on your own.
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3027[20:56:11] <jelly> revolutionary: and maybe a 1MiB partition
for something for grub?
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3028[20:56:23] <jelly> I have no idea about the specifics, sorry
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3033[20:56:38] <revolutionary> jelly: do you think to test on
Buster?
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3035[20:56:58] <jelly> there was a user last week having done all
that from the installer, and then switching to encrypted /boot
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3037[20:57:24] <jelly> maybe I can find their howto in irc logs
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3039[20:57:41] <revolutionary> jelly: that would be great
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3041[20:58:10] <jelly> wait
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3042[20:58:13] <jelly> that was YOU
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3043[20:58:14] <revolutionary> sure
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3045[20:58:22] <jelly> !
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3046[20:58:29] <revolutionary> ahh i did those on NON UEFI system
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3047[20:58:43] <revolutionary> I guess EFI is bit different and i
have no experience on EFI systems
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3048[20:58:43] <jelly> oh
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3052[20:59:22] <jelly> so you do the same thing, except with UEFI
:-D
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3053[20:59:51] <revolutionary> jelly: i guess you can test this
and can tell me :-D
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3055[21:01:06] <jelly> sure I can, however my rate starts at
$100/hr
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3056[21:01:18] <revolutionary> hmm
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3057[21:01:53] <FightingFalcon> what shall i define as wanted by?
WantedBy=multi-user.target ? when im creating a systemd service?
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3058[21:01:58] * revolutionary thinks jelly can do this for open-source
world for Linux users :)
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3063[21:04:32] * karlpinc thinks jelly is undercharging
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3064[21:05:05] <greycat> I'm wondering about "starts
at", how high it goes, and what makes it go up.
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3065[21:05:28] <jelly> wondering the right wonders
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3066[21:05:29] <revolutionary> also me too
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3067[21:05:32] <ratrace> jelly: wth, last time it was $200.
don't dump the price, dude, hurts us all :)
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3070[21:06:58] <revolutionary> greycat: Test on EFI $100, try
installing encrypted Buster $200 and encrypted /boot on EFI system
is $400 i think
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3079[21:11:49] <beinbliss4> Is there a reason linux-source-4.19
builds -rt24*deb* only?
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3084[21:13:29] <somiaj> beinbliss4: the binary linux-source-4.19
package is different than the source package for linux
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3085[21:13:56] <somiaj> if you just download the
linux-source-4.19 package, you still have to configure what kernel
it builds
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3086[21:14:02] <jelly> beinbliss4: it ought to build all the
flavor .deb, not just one, which command exactly are you running,
does it finish successfully, and before all that, what are you
actually trying to accomplish?
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3090[21:15:30] <FightingFalcon> I moved the service file to
/lib/systemd/system folder and started with /Service myservice
start.. it works fine. do i have to do anything else?
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3093[21:16:13] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: don't put custom
unit files in /lib/systemd, use /etc/systemd
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3098[21:18:27] <FightingFalcon> ok, somiaj, i've removed it
and moved to the said folder. do i have to do anything else?
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3099[21:18:35] <FightingFalcon> is it going to start
automatically when the pc boots?
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3100[21:18:38] <beinbliss4> @jelly it finishes successfully ,i
run make -j8 deb-pkg , (first i copy
/boot/config-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 to .config, run make oldconfig).
The output is linux-image-4.19.67-rt24_4.19.67-rt24-1_amd64.deb
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3103[21:19:08] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: systemctl status unitname
(if the unit is enabled it should start automatically)
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3105[21:19:45] <FightingFalcon> yes enabled
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3107[21:20:33] <somiaj> It should start automatically then (there
are some subtilties about targets, but I would only worry about that
if it doesn't start)
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3108[21:20:45] <somiaj> well targets and depends
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3112[21:24:22] <FightingFalcon> Cant i install imagemagick 7 with
apt-get?
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3113[21:24:35] <somiaj> ,v imagemagick
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3114[21:24:37] <judd> Package: imagemagick on amd64 -- jessie:
8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u12; jessie-security: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u18; stretch:
8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u7; stretch-security:
8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u7; buster: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1; bullseye:
8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1+b2; sid: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1+b2
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3118[21:25:26] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: imagemagick 7 has not
made it into debian yet. Since buster is frozen, the short answer is
you can't using debian repos. It could be in the future it is
provided in backports, but it will have to make it into testing
first.
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3119[21:25:29] <FightingFalcon> somiaj, so what does that mean?
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3120[21:25:39] <FightingFalcon> ok
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3121[21:25:41] <FightingFalcon> thanks a lot
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3122[21:25:44] <somiaj> that is the versions of imagemagcik in
the different debian releases.
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3125[21:27:07] <jelly> beinbliss4: I have no idea where that
flavor name came from
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3126[21:28:08] <beinbliss4> it is RealTime kernel, but i wonder
why it builds it by default and skips other flavors, like default
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3127[21:29:20] <somiaj> beinbliss4: does the config you use have
realtime enabled? Could be the upstream deb-pkg source detects rt
and just names the kerel as such.
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3132[21:30:22] <somiaj> arg deb-pkg make target
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3134[21:31:38] <jelly> beinbliss4: not necessarily. The flavor
name is independent of the rest of the config, might be called
-rtBLAH and not have any rt config enabled at all
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3135[21:31:49] <beinbliss4> no its not enabled CONFIG_PREEMPT is
not set as i see it in config (i use "default" config of
current system, it was on 4.9 but i added stretch-backports and apt
installed linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64
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3137[21:32:06] <jelly> !wayttd beinbliss4
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3138[21:32:06] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do, beinbliss4?
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3139[21:32:52] <jelly> (why are you starting from
linux-source-foo at all, instead of, say, an upstream vanilla
kernel)
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3140[21:33:18] <beinbliss4> because i want to keep "debian
way" or patches
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3141[21:33:29] <beinbliss4> plus two security patches
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3142[21:34:55] <jelly> the debian way of building a custom kernel
is NOT to use linux-source-4.19, just go with upstream latest 4.19.x
instead, apply your patches, then do make deb-pkg
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3147[21:36:21] <jelly> debian has lots of infrastructure in place
to build a dozen flavors on a dozen architectures from the same
source and you probably don't need that
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3149[21:38:43] <beinbliss4> ok
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3155[21:39:54] <beinbliss4> I was just following this:
replaced-url
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3156[21:40:16] <c0rnelius> hmm. i always use bindeb-pkg.
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3157[21:40:21] <c0rnelius> is there a difference?
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3159[21:41:52] <jelly> beinbliss4: um, that says "apt-get
source linux", and is different from getting the
linux-source-4.19 _binary_ package.
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3160[21:41:55] <beinbliss4> bindeb just builds binary and deb-pkg
tars sources too
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3163[21:42:36] <c0rnelius> gotcha
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3164[21:42:52] <somiaj> beinbliss4: note the deb-pkg is the
upstream make target and it is just 'guessing' a name,
using the actual linux source package might be preferable for your
case (this will build the package using debian's build system,
not the just the upstrem make target)
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3165[21:42:53] <beinbliss4> jelly: i was reading 4.5 :(
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3166[21:42:54] <jelly> oh, 4.5 goes with linux-source-foo
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3167[21:43:14] <jelly> I don't know how (or if) that works,
sorry
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3168[21:43:17] <somiaj> it could be the name is just a bad guess
and you have the kernel configured the same.
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3170[21:44:06] <beinbliss4> i see
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3172[21:45:23] <jelly> are those security patches that you want
to apply publicly available?
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3173[21:45:38] <somiaj> ,kernels
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3174[21:45:40] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid:
5.3.0-2-686-pae (5.3.9-2); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1);
buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster:
4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports:
4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
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3175[21:45:41] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae
(4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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3176[21:46:17] <somiaj> my guess is they are the new +deb10u2
patches that haven't made it into stretch-backports yet.
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3177[21:46:53] <beinbliss4> yes somiaj is right
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3178[21:47:26] <somiaj> beinbliss4: kernels are fairly stand
alone, you might be able to get away with just installing the buster
kernel (unsure how much work is required to backport it), or just
wait until the kernel team backports the new patches.
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3179[21:47:31] <jelly> if you have a deadline you can try just
grabbing the linux-image-foo from buster
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3183[21:48:51] <jelly> but if you also need to build some out of
tree modules, then you probably can't use those, different gcc
versions
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3185[21:49:49] <jelly> and linux-headers-foo from buster
won't be installable on stretch due to missing gcc deps
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3186[21:50:15] <jelly> ,v linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86
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3187[21:50:16] <judd> Package: linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86 on amd64
-- buster: 4.19.67-2; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19.67-2+deb10u1;
buster-security: 4.19.67-2+deb10u2; buster-backports:
5.2.17-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.2.17-1+b1; sid: 5.2.17-1+b1
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3188[21:51:16] <beinbliss4> actually i tried apt-get source linux
and now i see everything will be ok, it is non rt version, control
and rules files reflect that
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3189[21:51:26] <beinbliss4> dunno why i didn't see it at the
top of handbook page
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3190[21:52:07] <FightingFalcon> find . -iname "*.jpg"
-type f -exec identify -format '%w %h %i\n' '{}'
\; | awk $1 > 300
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3191[21:52:13] <FightingFalcon> whats wrong with this command?
awk part
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3192[21:52:45] <rander2> sorry, but the restoring don't go :
replaced-url
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3193[21:52:47] <somiaj> put $1 in quotes, it could be the shell
is expanding that, not awk
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3194[21:53:01] <somiaj> single quotes
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3195[21:53:13] <FightingFalcon> thjanks
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3196[21:53:19] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: for a test, compare echo
$1 vs echo '$1'
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3197[21:55:06] <rander2> if I install a single packet it go, but
not from the selection
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3199[21:56:12] <FightingFalcon> i see
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3201[21:58:43] <jhutchins_wk> rander2: Did you do aptitude
update?
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3202[21:58:48] <rander2> I generated the list with : dpkg
--get-selections > ~/selectionfile ; as explained in dpkg bot ,
and I restored it with : dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile
&& apt-get dselect-upgrade
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3204[21:59:07] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
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3205[21:59:07] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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3206[21:59:20] <somiaj> rander2: not that it matters now, but I
often prefer ^^ over using dpkg directly.
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3208[21:59:35] <rander2> jhutchins_wk, I did apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade ; isnt it the same ?
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3228[22:10:43] <rander2>
replaced-url
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3229[22:11:18] <rander2> I tried to cut the list with cut -f1
> selections2 ; but it's the same
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3230[22:11:42] <rander2> cut -f1 seletions > selections2
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3232[22:13:31] <Habbie> rander2, try awk '{print $1}'
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3236[22:16:46] <rander2> Habbie, it's the same
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3237[22:16:58] <greycat> It's not. Maybe with the one file
you tested it on.
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3238[22:17:23] <Habbie> both work for me on the output of `dpkg
--get-selections`
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3239[22:17:30] <Habbie> if they do not work for you, please show
us
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3240[22:17:34] <greycat> cut -f has a very strict idea of where
fields begin and end. awk divides fields in a much more flexible
way.
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3241[22:17:50] <Habbie> indeed
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3242[22:17:56] <Habbie> but they both happen to work here
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3243[22:18:16] <rander2> dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in
package name at line 1 ; this with awk '{print $1'
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3244[22:18:16] <dpkg> rander2: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
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3245[22:18:33] <greycat> pasting the command incorrectly is not
helpful
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3246[22:18:37] <rander2> # dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in
package name at line 1 ; this with awk '{print $1'
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3247[22:18:42] <Habbie> rander2, please show us what you are
doing
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3248[22:18:58] <greycat> they omitted the }
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3249[22:19:03] <Habbie> that is not the only problem
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3250[22:19:03] <livebrain> post the entire line you are using
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3251[22:19:04] <rander2> ~# awk '{print $1}'
selectionfile > selectionfile2
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3252[22:19:32] <Habbie> what's in selectionfile?
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3253[22:19:36] <rander2> dpkg --set-selections <
selectionfile2 && apt-get dselect-upgrade
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3254[22:19:36] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, rander2
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3255[22:19:39] <livebrain> the selectionfile is the output of
"dpkg --get-selections" ?
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3256[22:19:47] <Habbie> it quite obviously is not :)
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3259[22:19:54] <Habbie> oh wait
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3260[22:19:57] <Habbie> i get it
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3261[22:19:59] <Habbie> yes it is
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3262[22:20:09] <Habbie> but you can't just cut off the
second column from get-selections and expect set-selections to be
happy
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3264[22:21:02] <greycat> so... rander2, why are you altering the
contents of selectionfile?
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3266[22:21:54] <rander2> I follow the istructions from dpkg bot ,
no the selectionfile it's correct but don't go, so I
thinked the cut the 2 colon
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3267[22:22:09] <rander2> column
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3269[22:22:34] <rander2> the original file is :
replaced-url
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3270[22:22:46] <greycat> Nowhere in the "debian clone"
factoid does it say to use cut or awk on the output of dpkg
--get-selections.
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3271[22:22:55] <rander2> it begin from number 14
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3273[22:24:46] <rander2> greycat, it's true , but since it
didn't work I tried to cut the second column
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3274[22:24:58] <greycat> Well, don't.
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3277[22:25:38] <velix> Help! I've removed gpg and it killed
apt and all other stuff :-)
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3278[22:25:49] <ratrace> Gesundheit!
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3279[22:26:07] <velix> ratrace: Danke.
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3280[22:26:17] <annadane> plonk
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3281[22:26:18] <greycat> download or sneakernet a gnupg .deb file
onto the machine, and install it with dpkg -i
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3283[22:26:35] <annadane> sneakernet?
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3284[22:26:43] <greycat> if necessary
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3285[22:26:45] <Habbie> annadane, 'walk somewhere with a
physical medium'
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3286[22:26:49] <Habbie> annadane, like a floppy disk or a usb
stick
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3287[22:26:53] <annadane> kids these days, get off my lawn...
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3288[22:26:58] <Habbie> but, removing gpg never killed apt for
me, so that's a bit weird
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3289[22:27:06] <velix> Can I use another debian installation, to
get the URLs which are needed to reinstall the missing packages?
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3290[22:27:13] <velix> I've plenty of them ;)
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3291[22:27:15] <Habbie> velix, yes
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3292[22:27:39] <rander2> greycat, to test is dpkg work, ok
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3293[22:27:43] <rander2> if
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3299[22:31:04] <velix> Yipee, APT is back up again.
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3303[22:31:35] <Habbie> velix, yay
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3304[22:31:40] <annadane> !win
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3305[22:31:42] <velix> Habbie: Thanks for inspiration.
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3306[22:31:47] <greycat> !win velix
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3307[22:31:48] <dpkg> Congratulations, velix! You have won a
lifetime supply of spam!
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3309[22:31:57] <Habbie> !win spam
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3310[22:31:57] <dpkg> Congratulations, spam! You have won the US
presidency!
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3312[22:32:00] <annadane> i just wanted to see if it did anything
without a name argument :P
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3313[22:32:02] <Habbie> yass
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3315[22:32:08] <Habbie> !win
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3316[22:32:13] <Habbie> !win annadane
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3317[22:32:13] <dpkg> Congratulations, annadane! You have won a
lifetime supply of spam!
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3318[22:32:21] <velix> I hate the small opener on the spam cans.
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3319[22:32:31] <velix> They're always ripping off.
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3325[22:34:07] <velix> Interesting, do I need `tasksel` and
`task` at all?
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3326[22:34:27] <velix> It also got wiped
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3328[22:34:37] <somiaj> tasksel is optional
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3329[22:34:45] <greycat> I don't know what "task"
is. tasksel is something you almost never use.
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3331[22:35:16] <velix> greycat: it wiped "task-german".
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3332[22:35:22] <velix> Maybe some language kit for tasksel?
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3334[22:35:30] <greycat> ,i task-german
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3335[22:35:31] <judd> Package task-german (tasks, optional) in
buster/amd64: German environment. Version: 3.53; Size: 0.9k;
Installed: 6k
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3337[22:35:50] <greycat> ,depends task-german
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3338[22:35:52] <judd> Package task-german in buster/amd64 --
depends: tasksel (= 3.53), manpages-de.
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3339[22:35:58] <velix> thx
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3340[22:36:02] <rander2> yes, dpkg -i work correctly. I installed
mutt from deb
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