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• 83[01:40:19] <captainfixerpc14> HP 15-dy1043dx - removed the stock 256 ssd and replaced with new 256 ssd to install debian -
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• 147[03:18:47] <jezebel> what's driver support like fo nvidia quadro gpu's?
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• 175[03:46:19] <BlueMatt> areplaced-url
• 176[03:46:27] <BlueMatt> it works great without it, too :(
• 177[03:46:31] <CrystalMath> huh?
• 178[03:46:38] <CrystalMath> recompile without it :)
• 179[03:46:46] <BlueMatt> lxc 1:4.0.6-1 " - Moved from Recommends: to Depends bridge-utils, dnsmasq-base,"
• 180[03:46:54] <CrystalMath> it's ridiculous, i run bind9
• 181[03:46:57] <CrystalMath> i'm not installing dnsmasq
• 182[03:46:59] <BlueMatt> dont even need to recompile, its purely just the way lxc is packaged.
• 183[03:47:08] <CrystalMath> oh, so equivs?
• 184[03:47:15] <CrystalMath> you can equivs it away maybe
• 185[03:47:21] <BlueMatt> nope.
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• 187[03:47:32] <BlueMatt> it doesnt even need a dns server at all, depending on how you set up the networking stuff.
• 188[03:47:45] <CrystalMath> i mean you can use equivs to create a dummy package
• 189[03:47:53] <BlueMatt> ah, right.
• 190[03:47:53] <CrystalMath> which will then be accepted
• 191[03:48:00] <CrystalMath> i do that, for example i have null-gsettings-backend :D
• 192[03:48:11] <BlueMatt> or I can file a bug against lxc and see if I can convince the maintainer to walk that change back :)
• 193[03:48:17] <CrystalMath> it satisfies gsettings-backend, but it's empty
• 194[03:48:30] <BlueMatt> I presume the maintainer assumed no one uses lxc without lxc-net, which isnt true.
• 195[03:48:45] <CrystalMath> and if they did why would they need dnsmasq??
• 196[03:48:51] <CrystalMath> some of us run our own DNS servers
• 197[03:49:00] <themill> btw dnsmasq-base ≠ dnsmasq
• 198[03:49:17] <BlueMatt> it still includes a dnsmasq binary and runs it
• 199[03:49:30] <BlueMatt> which, like, given dnsmasq recent security issues and the fact that I dont use it at all :(
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• 201[03:52:59] <darkdrgn2k> is it possible to run a 5.1 kernel on debian 10
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• 211[04:02:51] <dvs> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 212[04:02:52] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster-backports: 5.9.15-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.13-1; sid: 5.10.13-1
• 213[04:03:19] <dvs> darkdrgn2k: does it have to be 5.1 specifically?
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• 215[04:05:51] <darkdrgn2k> nmo 5.1+
• 216[04:05:56] <darkdrgn2k> i got 5.9 p
• 217[04:06:06] <darkdrgn2k> im trying to get frr vrrp running
• 218[04:06:08] <darkdrgn2k> but still no dice :/
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• 221[04:11:58] <Devastator> I have two debian boxes, one upgraded to 10.8 but running 4.19.0-13 and the other just upgraded to 10.8 which upgraded kernel to 4.19.0-14, any reason why the first one doesn't see the kernel upgrade 4.19.0-14?
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• 224[04:19:09] <lt> is there something like a standard/conventional path/filename to put pressding file within debian iso file to make a full automated installation?
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• 227[04:20:04] <dvs> Devastator: I don't think the kernel was part of the 10.8 upgrade.
• 228[04:21:28] <Devastator> dvs weird, why would a box install 4.19.0-14 and the other stays on 4.19.0-13? let me check something
• 229[04:21:47] <dvs> timing?
• 230[04:21:53] <jmcnaught> Devastator: it's probably more useful to compare package versions than uname output
• 231[04:22:22] <Devastator> figured out, it is installed but I didn't reboot :D
• 232[04:22:39] <dvs> that's what I thought
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• 238[04:27:22] <dvs> booyah!
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• 240[04:29:51] <Devastator> done :D
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• 242[04:30:00] <Devastator> thanks and sorry for the noise
• 243[04:30:07] <dvs> now apt autoremove!
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• 246[04:31:54] <lt> ok
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• 337[06:34:49] <StarOnD> Hello. does a Debian VM allow a root login?
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• 339[06:37:17] <sney> depends on how it was installed
• 340[06:38:02] <StarOnD> sney, can I read the details of this ?
• 341[06:38:13] <sney> !ig
• 342[06:38:14] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
• 343[06:38:53] <StarOnD> dpkg, thank you
• 344[06:38:54] <dpkg> StarOnD: my pleasure
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• 353[07:05:20] <StarOnD> sney, I read this --> replaced-url
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• 360[07:10:31] <sney> local or ssh login?
• 361[07:10:36] <StarOnD> local
• 362[07:13:00] <jvwjgames> Hello I am wondering about RAID
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• 364[07:13:45] <jvwjgames> I just bought a server and it isn't detecting the Hard Drive. It's making me sad.
• 365[07:14:10] <jvwjgames> It's just one Hard drive but I can't install an os to it or anything
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• 369[07:20:38] <StarOnD> sney :  any tips for me ?
• 370[07:23:06] <sney> try a few different spellings of the password, then recover it with:
• 371[07:23:09] <sney> !ifrp
• 372[07:23:09] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 373[07:23:26] <sney> I'm off for now, but anyone can help with this
• 374[07:24:06] <StarOnD> sney: thank you
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• 376[07:26:09] <StarOnD> I have another query : I am not able to change the username of the first non root user. It says username is used by a process. I tried killing the process but it did not help, can someone please help me ?
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• 380[07:31:41] <scraireland_> Hey everyone. I'm relatively new to GNU/Linux and I finally I've found an issue I haven't been able to solve for a couple of hours. I use my laptop with an external monitor using "xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS1" I'd like to mirror my monitor instead. I tried with "xrandr --output LVDS1 --output VGA1 --same-as
• 381[07:31:41] <scraireland_> LVDS1" among several different options I found on the internet but all I get is a smaller image n my external monitor and lots of unused space. Any suggestions?
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• 383[07:36:42] <bru> scraireland_: I would check the available screen resolutions for your monitors (not just the active ones) with xrandr --current, and then add a "--mode [width]x[height]" for whatever the output for your external monitor is.
• 384[07:37:27] <scraireland_> bru I tried that, namely: "xrandr --output LVDS1 --output VGA1 --same-as LVDS1 --mode 1680x1050"
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• 386[07:37:44] <scraireland_> and got the same result as without the --mode flag
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• 388[07:38:14] <bru> Did you try "xrandr --output LVDS1 --output VGA1 --mode 1680x1050 --same-as LVDS1"?
• 389[07:38:20] <bru> It could be that the order is important
• 390[07:38:58] <scraireland_> Oh, I did not. Will try now
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• 392[07:39:38] <scraireland_> Oh, nvm. I did try that one, too
• 393[07:39:41] <scraireland_> "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1366x768 --output VGA1 --mode 1680x1050 --same-as LVDS1"
• 394[07:39:53] <scraireland_> Oh, that's a slightly different one though
• 395[07:40:23] <scraireland_> Just tried the one you shared above. Same result.
• 396[07:40:35] <bru> Can you tell me what is the highest resolution that shows you xrandr --current for VGA1?
• 397[07:41:38] <bru> Or just "xrandr", I think it produces the same output
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• 399[07:42:13] <scraireland_> @bru replaced-url
• 400[07:42:52] <scraireland_> FWIW, I'm currently using the external monitor that's why VGA has *+ I'm guessing
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• 402[07:43:07] <scraireland_> I'm using this way: "xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS1"
• 403[07:43:23] <scraireland_> which I had to run again after trying the one command you suggested
• 404[07:43:36] <bru> Yes, it seems your monitor is using the most optimal resolution
• 405[07:43:54] <bru> Are you sure 1680x1050 is the highest one?
• 406[07:44:20] <scraireland_> At least that's the one it lists when I run xrandr
• 407[07:44:30] <scraireland_> Is there any other way to know it?
• 408[07:45:05] <scraireland_> The weird thing is though that when I use it the way I described previously it does use the entire screen. However, when mirroring it does not
• 409[07:45:30] <bru> Mainly by looking up the monitor's specifications. It just seems an odd resolution for me to be the highest one, that's why I asked
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• 411[07:46:20] <bru> Well, think it this way: by mirroring your laptop's screen (1366x768) on your external monitor (1680x1050) it cannot add more pixels
• 412[07:46:33] <scraireland_> So this is similar to what happens (ignore the resolutions in the photo): replaced-url
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• 414[07:47:12] <bru> Yes, that's what I am trying to say
• 415[07:47:30] <bru> I understand you want to see the same content on both screens?
• 416[07:47:42] <scraireland_> Yes
• 417[07:48:47] <bru> It just came to my mind if you could try connecting your monitor via another connection protocol, like HDMI
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• 419[07:49:14] <scraireland_> I have an old lappy so no :/
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• 422[07:49:50] <scraireland_> I have only 1 VGA port
• 423[07:50:08] <bru> Forget about that, I was thinking about some kind of solution but it doesn't really matter
• 424[07:50:34] <bru> It's how I used to do it, but I remembered I actually disabled my laptop's screen so my monitor can use its native resolution
• 425[07:50:51] <scraireland_> Oh wait a second
• 426[07:51:40] <scraireland_> The sole purpose I'm aiming at is that I will not need my laptop's screen. I'm actually planning on closing the lid
• 427[07:51:48] <bru> What I am trying to say is that your monitor cannot add up pixels from the screen it's mirroring, only merely scaling it
• 428[07:51:49] <scraireland_> So perhaps that could work, couldn't it?
• 429[07:52:12] <bru> Exactly, I didn't recommend that because I thought you were going to use your lap's screen
• 430[07:52:33] <bru> But you can just use "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto" and it should work
• 431[07:52:44] <scraireland_> Oh not at all. I usually use both screens but I'm aiming at using one now. Sorry I wasn't clear enough
• 432[07:53:23] <scraireland_> Nothing happened after running "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto"
• 433[07:53:24] <bru> What I can recommend though, is to spend a little more time and write a script that toggles between your lap's screen and your monitor's screen
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• 435[07:54:32] <bru> Don't worry, I just looked it up, you need one more argument
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• 437[07:55:00] <bru> Try "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --primary", so that your monitor's screen is the main one
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• 440[07:56:04] <scraireland_> _aeris_ that didn't trigger any visible effects so far
• 441[07:56:09] <scraireland_> bru *
• 442[07:56:43] <bru> Are both screens still active?
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• 444[07:56:58] <scraireland_> Yes
• 445[07:57:41] <bru> Well, this one seems more handy: replaced-url
• 446[07:58:00] <bru> You need to explicitly disable your other screen as well
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• 448[07:58:21] <bru> So it would be "xrandr --output LVDS-1 --off --output VGA-1 --auto"
• 449[07:58:36] <bru> And as it remains as the only screen there's no need for --primary
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• 452[07:59:42] <bru> Sorry, I just copy-pasted it, you need to replace the output names for the ones you have
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• 454[08:00:58] <scraireland_> Tyvm. I got scared for a second LOL
• 455[08:01:00] <scraireland_> Took a while to sync and both screens were off haaha
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• 457[08:01:40] <bru> That's part of the fun IMO. No problem, I'm very glad you could have it solved
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• 460[08:03:16] <bru> (I repeat as you just disconnected) That's part of the fun IMO. No problem, I'm very glad you could have it solved.
• 461[08:04:57] <scraireland> Indeed it is. Thanks again! I guess given my lack of understanding re: resolution it didn't occur to me that my monitor could not produce more pixels for the external monitor but that makes sense now
• 462[08:07:30] <bru> Yes, I also didn't realize that at first glance, but the "--same-as" option made clearer that it wasn't in fact a software problem. It's way harder to solve something when it doesn't seem that obvious
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• 465[08:09:54] <bru> Anyways, I'm off now. Whenever you have problems like this, that's what this channel is for. And again, you're welcome.
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• 560[10:12:03] <f1szh> I was half asleep when I logged onto my box this morning and didn't realise I was in / ... I did chmod 777 -R *. I don't suppose there's any scripts out the to rectify this foolishness
• 561[10:12:58] <ratrace> no, there are no magick fairy dust scripts. BUT ... you can maybe whip up one to restore system dirs modes from your backup
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• 563[10:13:21] <ratrace> ALSO .... there is almost never any reason to 777 except {/var}/tmp
• 564[10:13:35] <ratrace> (and then it's 1777 you actually want)
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• 567[10:17:25] <jelly> f1szh, do you have good backups of the whole OS?
• 568[10:18:00] <jelly> two things to avoid next time, As mentioned, 777, but also, don't do actions on *
• 569[10:18:24] <jelly> go one directory up, and do action on the whole directory
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• 571[10:18:33] <ratrace> or ./
• 572[10:18:42] <jelly> no
• 573[10:18:47] <ratrace> oh?
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• 575[10:18:57] <jelly> that is also unnamed and prone to be "everything"
• 576[10:19:09] <ratrace> ah . / ?
• 577[10:19:18] <jelly> ./ of / is still /
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• 579[10:19:49] <jelly> but cd .., and try to name the dir, and you'll notice something is wrong
• 580[10:19:49] <ratrace> right. wise.
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• 582[10:20:11] <ratrace> then again tpyos like chmod .... / downstream/dir/ are also possibru )
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• 584[10:20:34] <jelly> I'm not sure where people mislearn to use blah/* or * on unix. It was needed on DOS
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• 586[10:21:02] <ratrace> so the ONLY real advice here would be....... pause, re-read, give yourself 5 seconds before you hit entre. I do that for all chmod, chown and rm -r commands, and I never (really, knock wood, gtfo Murphy!) had a problem like the above :)
• 587[10:21:20] <ratrace> now I jinxed it.... sigh....
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• 589[10:21:50] <jelly> or just never do stuff on blah/* or *
• 590[10:21:52] <ratrace> jelly: fun fact. on cshs (I think it was that one) * does something unexpected and follows .. upwards
• 591[10:21:58] <ratrace> *chsh
• 592[10:22:03] <ratrace> gah... csh
• 593[10:22:19] <jelly> and why wouldn't it, that directory entry isn't anything special :-)
• 594[10:23:16] <ratrace> actually it is :) it's special as it doesn't actually have an inode..... does it? actually that's filesystem specific
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• 597[10:24:54] <ratrace> or wait... I misremembered... I did something else stupid, I did .* tryna chmod hidden files that * wouldn't affect and .* went one dir up
• 598[10:25:17] <ratrace> yeah that was it .* boom.
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• 601[10:25:51] <ratrace> (which would affect any shell I guess)
• 602[10:27:26] <jelly> that one is also fun, yes
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• 608[10:29:17] <f1szh> I was changing the permissions in a samba share which happens to reside at /samba
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• 610[10:29:39] <f1szh> and now i've borked my whole system
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• 612[10:30:45] <f1szh> haven't had enough coffee and must've just hit chmod 777 -R /* -_+
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• 616[10:31:31] <ratrace> so there's a number of lessons here to take out of that
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• 619[10:31:44] <jelly> lesson 0: HAVE BACKUPS
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• 621[10:31:54] <jelly> (of the whole system)
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• 638[10:35:56] <f1szh> jelly, irony is I have a 2tb drive set aside for backups, I just haven't gotten round to using it -_-
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• 641[10:38:49] <pidroid> Hello ! i need some help about apt to find how to manage https with and without an apt-cacher
• 642[10:38:51] <pidroid> replaced-url
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• 644[10:39:05] <pidroid> a little summary in this pasetbin
• 645[10:39:09] <unixbsd> hello
• 646[10:39:18] <unixbsd> how to print a given page with LPR ?
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• 650[10:39:49] <simplicius> Hello
• 651[10:40:04] <simplicius> Do you know if I can use my bose stereo as audio output device? like this: replaced-url
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• 654[10:41:08] <ratrace> simplicius: not really a debian question now
• 655[10:41:37] <ratrace> unixbsd: did you even try to ask google about that?
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• 657[10:43:01] <ratrace> unixbsd: top result for "print with LPR": replaced-url
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• 689[11:03:16] <simplicius> ratrace: by the way I don't have sounds on my line out, I tried out alsamixer
• 690[11:03:42] <ratrace> is this the same problem you had the other day?
• 691[11:04:08] <simplicius> no, it's not related to that
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• 693[11:05:35] <ratrace> so you checked alsamixer, the device appears, all the channels are unmuted and volume up? did you check dmesg for any complaints with regards to audio device or driver?
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• 695[11:06:38] <simplicius> ratrace: this is the configuration I'm using the motherboard audio card replaced-url
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• 697[11:07:12] <simplicius> it should be this: Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300/7300 Series]
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• 700[11:08:23] <ratrace> simplicius: they're all muted
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• 702[11:09:10] <ratrace> hit the M key for all of the output chans until MM in the bottom of the bar is replaced with 00
• 703[11:09:32] <simplicius> the MIC is muted
• 704[11:09:52] <simplicius> replaced-url
• 705[11:09:54] <ratrace> in your pic, Master is MM, Front is MM, ....
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• 708[11:10:52] <simplicius> ah
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• 715[11:13:58] <simplicius> thanks! now it works
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• 717[11:14:30] <ratrace> !next
• 718[11:14:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 719[11:14:32] <simplicius> Do you know if the outputline is able also to power the device?
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• 722[11:15:41] <ratrace> simplicius: the output line has voltages and amps standard for audio signals only. any device you connect to that, except high resistance headphones, will have to be powered on its own
• 723[11:16:02] <simplicius> ok
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• 725[11:17:56] <blackslide> I'm happy to report that full upgrade from 9 to 10 went smooth. Only little niggle is the fact that now I'm faced with two root password requests when I login to gdm.
• 726[11:18:34] <ratrace> blackslide: what? and why are you even trying to login to gdm with root?
• 727[11:18:48] <blackslide> Both seem to be related to blueman trying to change bluetooth settings
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• 729[11:19:22] <blackslide> No, I login as normal user, but network settinga can not be changed by user, so two popups request root auth.
• 730[11:19:24] <jelly> they didn't say they were _logging in_ as root, but that something asked for root pass
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• 732[11:20:50] <blackslide> And even if I cancel the authentication, and get a "Failed to apply network settings" window. BT seems to be working normally.
• 733[11:21:35] <ratrace> so to cut even more on ass umptions, you're logging into gnome? (gdm can be used elsewhere too)
• 734[11:21:53] <blackslide> Yea, gnome
• 735[11:23:11] <ratrace> so I'm guessing that's not a standard polkit auth request, and/or not related to the keyring? gnome would ask for your logged-in-user credentials, if at all
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• 739[11:24:05] <blackslide> Yea, blueman tries to kill the bt and for some reason doesn't have priviledges to do so. Only difference I notice, is when I give it the credentials, I get an RFKill line in dmesg, if I don't, nothing happens.
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• 743[11:26:01] <genr8_> net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established = 432000
• 744[11:26:15] <genr8_> is it normal to have a 5 day timeout on an established tcp connection
• 745[11:27:00] <ratrace> genr8_: apparently
• 746[11:27:14] <genr8_> is that wise though
• 747[11:28:17] <ratrace> probably not.
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• 749[11:28:45] <genr8_> who invents this stuff. where does that even get set / come from?
• 750[11:30:48] <netcrash> Had a gateway "blowing up" because of that issue.
• 751[11:31:06] <ratrace> probably from the same mindset that thought postfix queue lifetime should be 5 days, in 2021 where if you don't get something within 5 minutes, phones start ringing...
• 752[11:31:17] <genr8_> found it. in the kernel source, Documentation/networking/nf_conntrack-sysctl.txt - yep 5 days
• 753[11:32:01] <genr8_> no reason given. guess i'm changing it then
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• 757[11:34:13] <blackslide> That is odd indeed, 5 days seems like eternity today.
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• 759[11:36:31] <blackslide> So what would be the first steps to sort that blueman access problem at login? Could a simple re-install fix it?
• 760[11:36:49] <ratrace> pretty much. sane software will do "keepalive pings" to let the systems know you're still there
• 761[11:37:15] <ratrace> (they're not icmp pings, btw)
• 762[11:37:22] <blackslide> Maybe it's for submarines and spacecraft
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• 764[11:38:14] <unixbsd> well with lpr, it seems that : " lpr -Pbrother -o page-ranges=15-20 -o fit-to-page -o media=A4 document.pdf" , but well, not so sure if it is best suited for some X reasons.
• 765[11:39:10] <ratrace> unixbsd: best suited for what
• 766[11:39:11] <blackslide> might have no connection for days.. But I heard somewhere that they have invented a way to send sms-level data from underwater without an antenna that sticks out of the water.
• 767[11:39:29] <genr8_> I only found out about it because i did " cat /proc/net/nf_conntrack " and found a connection from 4 days ago. which was from a VPN interface and IP that no longer even existed
• 768[11:39:47] <ratrace> blackslide: probably not the reason, no :)
• 769[11:40:55] <blackslide> Yea, if space organizations and military depended so heavily on the default kernel setup... :D
• 770[11:41:52] <ratrace> no, that's not what I meant. what I meant was one cannot assume anything with distributed networks. connections can drop at any moment for any reason, and proper systems must re-establish them.
• 771[11:42:11] <ratrace> relying on long timeouts would be extremely stupid and buggy. you send a packet, you get a RST in response, you re-connect.
• 772[11:42:19] <genr8_> I wonder if its meant to be a 5 day work-week and actually is due to some kind of corporate VPN nonsense
• 773[11:42:39] <genr8_> so you disconnect but its still alive, then you reconnect and its like oh hi... you never left.
• 774[11:42:43] <ratrace> genr8_: I think it's a number pulled out of an a... a hat.
• 775[11:43:01] <genr8_> well i assume someone invented it for a reason but we lost the reason
• 776[11:43:25] <genr8_> i changed it to 2 hours
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• 778[11:44:02] <ratrace> you'd be surprised how many things in (critical) software have no specific reason other than they're pulled out of a hat at the moment of initial writing
• 779[11:44:20] <genr8_> :/
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• 781[11:44:37] <ratrace> another tidbit is timeout_time_wait. 120s is too long. I keep it at 15, even THAT is a bit too long.
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• 783[11:45:16] <ratrace> (primarily because we serve a lot of small files and noob PHP coders never heard of Keepalive so each curl in their loop is an independent request)
• 784[11:45:57] <ratrace> but 2 minutes waiting for that FINACK?! srsly? not even if you send to the moon....
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• 793[11:59:28] <genr8_> im surprised the internet works at all
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• 795[12:00:55] <genr8_> with age old crufty servers lying around and broken TCP stacks. this came out yesterday replaced-url
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• 801[12:10:45] <ratrace> Splendid.
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• 811[12:20:02] <blackslide> Well, by the looks of this disconnect flood, it doesn't :)
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• 816[12:24:32] <blackslide> Well, looking at the news, "In total, 11 stacks were analyzed..." "...Researchers found improperly generated ISNs in nine of the 11 stacks analyzed."
• 817[12:24:59] <blackslide> So 9 out of 11 tested were garbage. Those 11 are not the only ones in the world...
• 818[12:26:07] <blackslide> Developer: We have a problm, we need to do this correctly and it will take x months longer to get the product ready.
• 819[12:26:32] <blackslide> Marketing boss: Oh, just make it look like it works and get on with it...
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• 823[12:28:16] <Akuw> hi, i am using "systemctl status bluetooth" and got Active: inactive (dead)
• 824[12:28:42] <Akuw> i tried "sudo systemctl enable bluetooth.service" and checked balck list
• 825[12:28:55] <Akuw> but bluetooth still is death
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• 827[12:29:57] <Akuw> ok, i can start with "systemctl status bluetooth"
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• 829[12:30:11] <Akuw> sorry "systemctl start bluetooth.service"
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• 831[12:30:47] <blackslide> So it works now?
• 832[12:31:10] <blackslide> If that can be said of bluetooth..
• 833[12:31:19] <Akuw> yes, is connected
• 834[12:31:29] <blackslide> :thumbsup:
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• 839[12:36:29] <blackslide> man systemctl is a good read.
• 840[12:36:49] <blackslide> It's way more than start/stop service.
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• 842[12:37:10] <blackslide> it even has --try-to-reload service :D
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• 844[12:37:36] <blackslide> I'll go now
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• 849[12:40:50] <tzf> o/
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• 851[12:41:31] <ix_> hello, after being idle for a few minutes, I'm presented with the LightDM login thing, I would like to stop that but I don't know how
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• 862[12:56:44] <EdePopede> ix_: depending on your desktop there should be a setting in Power Management or Security
• 863[12:57:30] <ix_> EdePopede, I deleted the XFCE power management tool, so I have no power management tool
• 864[12:58:07] <EdePopede> ix_: in the Settings?
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• 867[12:59:30] <ix_> EdePopede, I don't really have settings, it's a very barebones install
• 868[12:59:45] <EdePopede> no Settings submenu?
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• 870[13:00:31] <ix_> EdePopede, I'm running openbox, so I have openbox settings
• 871[13:00:51] <EdePopede> ah, so you're not running xfce
• 872[13:01:14] <EdePopede> i don't think it's part of the WM
• 873[13:02:25] <ix_> EdePopede, maybe it's part of systemd
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• 880[13:06:35] <ix_> everyone loves systemd
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• 882[13:06:45] <ratrace> maybe it's maybelline
• 883[13:08:20] <derpadmin> :D
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• 897[13:34:20] <omarek> Hi, is this network card a good choice for a Debian desktop PC? Looks allright to me. Intel Gigabit Pro/1000 CT Desktop
• 898[13:34:21] <eb0t> hey i just did an update and i got this replaced-url
• 899[13:34:28] <eb0t> my sources list looks like this
• 900[13:34:32] <omarek> replaced-url
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• 902[13:35:17] <eb0t> replaced-url
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• 904[13:36:05] <omarek> Product code: EXPI9301CTBLK , controller Intel 82574L
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• 906[13:36:21] <omarek> It's from 2008, but it seems that's the state of art as of 2021?
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• 908[13:37:02] <omarek> I want something that replaces my onboard Realtek once and for all.
• 909[13:37:04] <eb0t> sorted it ...i had main under the nonfree as well
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• 926[13:51:08] <pidroid> no better way found about my apt's problem
• 927[13:51:12] <pidroid> summary : replaced-url
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• 931[13:52:20] <pidroid> replaced-url
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• 935[13:53:16] <fourstepper> systemctl restart networking should restart the networking completely, right?
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• 937[13:54:05] <pidroid> but when no proxy available (i.e. : vm down), the reposiroties according to this sources are unavailable because HTTPS/// isn't understanding in local resolution (i think)
• 938[13:54:17] <pidroid> all ideas are wellcome
• 939[13:55:28] <eb0t> HEY i accidentally tried to install something using pip3 from root.
• 940[13:55:39] <eb0t> it failed, but will it have messed up anything i need to know about
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• 943[13:58:35] <fourstepper> when I try to restart networking to get a new address I have set, I get disconnected from SSH and the interface stays down
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• 946[13:59:42] <jelly> omarek, e1000 should be just fine, yes
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• 948[13:59:54] <pidroid> fourstepper have you try ifdown/ifup ?
• 949[14:00:23] <fourstepper> ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 works fine
• 950[14:00:39] <jelly> fourstepper, which debian release are you on? restarting the networking service was unreliable before systemd
• 951[14:00:45] <fourstepper> this is on 10.8
• 952[14:00:47] <jelly> "don't do that"
• 953[14:01:03] <jelly> perhaps it is still unreliable.
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• 955[14:01:17] <jelly> keep using ifdown and ifup.
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• 958[14:01:51] <jelly> inside screen/tmux, if you're connected over that iface
• 959[14:02:18] <fourstepper> that's surprising
• 960[14:02:25] <fourstepper> is there a reason for the unreliability?
• 961[14:02:41] <fourstepper> it's not like there is that much to do, it's a pretty simple systemd service
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• 966[14:07:50] <jelly> it used to be a crappy init script.
• 967[14:08:15] <fourstepper> it probably still is a crappy script
• 968[14:08:41] <fourstepper> it seems that the systemd service is just wrapping around it
• 969[14:09:35] <jelly> in buster? Isn't the service basically just "ifup -a" and "ifdown -a"
• 970[14:09:37] <jelly> ExecStart=/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment
• 971[14:09:38] <jelly> ExecStop=/sbin/ifdown -a --read-environment --exclude=lo
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• 977[14:18:38] <eb0t> hey i am running python 3.5 ....even after i apt update and apt upgrade
• 978[14:18:46] <eb0t> i have read it is no longer supported
• 979[14:18:49] <eb0t> what should i do
• 980[14:19:10] <eb0t> i am using stretch, and i would have expected stretch to auto update to python 3.7
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• 986[14:21:42] <eb0t> anyone ?
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• 988[14:22:05] <eb0t> i can do it manually, but surely this should not be the case
• 989[14:22:08] <jelly> eb0t, stretch is now maintained by the LTS team. Make sure you have debian-security-support installed, it will tell you if you have software installed that is not supported any more
• 990[14:22:29] <eb0t> ok ill install that jelly
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• 992[14:22:43] <eb0t> by the way..did you install python 3.7 by hand jelly
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• 994[14:23:04] <jelly> the system version of python3 does NOT get minor release bumps during the lifetime of a release, that's too intrusive
• 995[14:23:18] <eb0t> ahhhhh that explains a lot
• 996[14:23:21] <eb0t> thanks
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• 999[14:24:47] <jelly> if LTS team is able to keep fixing security issues in packaged python3.5, they'll do so. If not, they'll announce python3.5 is not covered by their support, so you can plan accordingly.
• 1000[14:25:10] <samba35> how to fix modprobe: FATAL: Module pciehp not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-135-generic
• 1001[14:25:35] <jelly> samba35, boot a debian kernel not an old ubuntu one
• 1002[14:26:08] <samba35> ok
• 1003[14:26:40] <samba35> still any idea :)
• 1004[14:26:50] <jelly> samba35, are you using Debian?
• 1005[14:26:57] <samba35> no
• 1006[14:27:16] <jelly> samba35, which distro are you using?
• 1007[14:27:20] <samba35> but brach of debian
• 1008[14:27:25] <samba35> ubuntu
• 1009[14:27:32] <wsky> this is not debian at all
• 1010[14:27:47] <jelly> samba35, then ask in #ubuntu channel, or #ubuntu-server if it's a server install
• 1011[14:27:53] <samba35> ok
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• 1014[14:30:02] <MrNaz> os i think we accidentally saved over our server's id_rsa.pub file and it's gone... is it safe to just use ssh-keygen to generate a new pair and update all our ssh clients?
• 1015[14:30:22] <MrNaz> (yes yes i know our team needs to find out who did this and flog them in the town square)
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• 1018[14:33:37] <jelly> MrNaz, can you copy the .pub contents back from any of the servers you used it for
• 1019[14:34:01] <MrNaz> the server hasn't actually needed to ssh out anywhere, and so there are no clients with the pub
• 1020[14:34:25] <jelly> then regenerate
• 1021[14:34:31] <jelly> also, where are your backups
• 1022[14:34:44] <MrNaz> i noticed this while setting up this server's backups
• 1023[14:34:50] <jelly> :-D
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• 1025[14:34:57] <MrNaz> yes yes laugh it up :D
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• 1056[14:59:11] <eb0t> i have just installed python 3.9 on debian
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• 1058[14:59:45] <eb0t> when i type python3 version it shows python 3.5
• 1059[15:00:04] <eb0t> in order for my system to default t python 3.9 what do i have to do
• 1060[15:00:17] <eb0t> i want all future builds to use the 3.9, etc.
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• 1062[15:00:37] <eb0t> i am trying to puild an application with pip and it is still using python 3.5
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• 1064[15:00:53] <jelly> eb0t, do NOT change the system python3
• 1065[15:01:01] <eb0t> ok
• 1066[15:01:02] <jelly> use venv.
• 1067[15:01:12] <jelly> and do not run pip install as root.
• 1068[15:01:47] <eb0t> yes...i found that out jelly...but the package i wanted to install asked to run pip as root which i did but it failed
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• 1070[15:02:18] <eb0t> replaced-url
• 1071[15:02:29] <eb0t> this document uses root to install the bitcoin wallet
• 1072[15:02:30] <jelly> use venv.
• 1073[15:02:41] <jelly> don't install crap as root
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• 1075[15:02:44] <eb0t> yes ill use venv
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• 1098[15:22:18] <evilbug> would anyone happen to have any ideas on why a laptop will give me "bad password" wifi error when every other device connected to this network connects without a hitch?
• 1099[15:25:09] <aminvakil> evilbug: executing journalctl -f while you're trying to connect to wifi might give you some helpful insights
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• 1114[15:45:16] <hegemoOn> is it possible to cancel an upgrade ?
• 1115[15:45:35] <hegemoOn> i have a crontab wich do apt update && apt upgrade
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• 1234[17:10:21] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
• 1235[17:10:33] <neilthereildeil> for some reason im not able to raise an interface on my debian machine
• 1236[17:10:38] <neilthereildeil> it stays doqn
• 1237[17:10:40] <neilthereildeil> down
• 1238[17:11:13] <neilthereildeil> i tried "ip link set dev eno1 up"
• 1239[17:11:27] <neilthereildeil> and it has an IP address assigned as reported by "ip addr"
• 1240[17:11:47] <neilthereildeil> but it also shows that the link is down
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• 1242[17:11:52] <neilthereildeil> what am i doing wrong?
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• 1250[17:15:08] <jelly> neilthereildeil, pastebin dmesg and output of "ip l" or "ip a"
• 1251[17:15:20] <neilthereildeil> i cant. i cant get online
• 1252[17:15:41] <jelly> can you screenshot and imgur or some other imgbin ?
• 1253[17:16:00] <jelly> did you check the cable? :-)
• 1254[17:16:29] <neilthereildeil> damn lol
• 1255[17:16:30] <jelly> dmesg |egrep 'eth|eno'
• 1256[17:16:33] <neilthereildeil> its in a data center
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• 1268[17:19:10] <neilthereildeil> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1271[17:19:54] <neilthereildeil> dmesg says eno1 link is not ready
• 1272[17:22:10] <jelly> neilthereildeil, as you can see eno1 is "UP"
• 1273[17:22:26] <jelly> it's just the link that isn't up, and you can't do much about that
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• 1275[17:22:37] <neilthereildeil> no, its not up
• 1276[17:22:39] <neilthereildeil> it says DOWN
• 1277[17:22:44] <neilthereildeil> but its been assigned a static IP
• 1278[17:22:52] <neilthereildeil> so the layer 2 is down
• 1279[17:22:59] <neilthereildeil> OSI layer 3 is up
• 1280[17:23:04] <neilthereildeil> ie it has an IP
• 1281[17:23:27] <jelly> L1 is down.
• 1282[17:23:46] <jelly> the cable and such.
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• 1284[17:24:23] <jelly> neilthereildeil, sometimes however, DC person plugs the cable into the wrong port
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• 1287[17:24:51] <omarek> 8 days until the network card arrives...
• 1288[17:25:26] <jelly> neilthereildeil, so try to up all the interfaces, and see if one or more goes from <NO-CARRIER,...,UP> to <LOWER_UP,...,UP>
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• 1290[17:26:13] <jelly> neilthereildeil, and then if you're lucky you can use cdpr (LLDP, CDP client) or something like tcpdump to figure out which network you're connected to
• 1291[17:26:22] <neilthereildeil> ok i think thatsok gotit
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• 1293[17:26:39] <neilthereildeil> i plugged it into the wrong port when i was physically behind the machine
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• 1295[17:27:16] <jelly> !win neilthereildeil
• 1296[17:27:16] <dpkg> Congratulations, neilthereildeil! You have won the US presidency!
• 1297[17:27:47] <neilthereildeil> haha thats bad company the last 4 years. i dont wanna be associated:)  :)
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• 1299[17:28:02] <jelly> better to catch that before you leave the DC
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• 1321[17:47:22] <legonick> Any rsync experts here? :D
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• 1323[17:50:06] <setuid> Morning, all! I'm trying to unbreak a system which has had its package statuses changed from various states to others ('important' -> 'optional'), etc. There's no way that I can find in dpkg-query/dpkg/aptitude to reset these statuses, other than manually editing /var/lib/dpkg/status, and changing them back. Does anyone have a good mechanism to do this?
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• 1326[17:51:19] <jelly> !anyone
• 1327[17:51:19] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1330[17:52:06] <jelly> setuid, those look like Priority: not states
• 1331[17:52:30] <setuid> jelly: Yes, sorry, Priority not Status
• 1332[17:52:50] <jelly> setuid, how did you change those, if not by tampering with status file?
• 1333[17:52:55] <neilthereildeil> how do i install the backports package linux-image-5.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on debian 10.8?
• 1334[17:53:03] <neilthereildeil> i already added backports to sources.list
• 1335[17:53:05] <setuid> jelly: Not my system, helping someone else
• 1336[17:53:18] <jelly> setuid, how did THEY change those, if not by tampering with status file?
• 1337[17:53:22] <setuid> jelly: I can see from the backup status files, that the package statuses changed, so I can diff old->new, and see the delta
• 1338[17:53:43] <setuid> jelly: Not sure how they changed, didn't find anything forensically in logs/auth/etc. that implied a human change
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• 1341[17:54:06] <setuid> jelly: basically, their system wants to remove 99% of itself, which will break it, and it looks like many 'required' packages went to 'optional'
• 1342[17:54:25] <jelly> setuid, you could just put the latest backup back in place, and reinstall the difference
• 1343[17:54:26] <setuid> jelly: I took their package list, and recreated an identical system, but my package status is different
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• 1347[17:54:43] <setuid> jelly: Yeah, was hoping for something programmatic, but I may have to do that
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• 1349[17:54:53] <jelly> if that's easier than munging status back to sanity
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• 1351[17:55:01] <legonick> Say you have the same file on 2 systems. You want to use rsync on each system to move the same file to a 3rd system, and you want deletion on the source 2 systems. What rsync command would you use?
• 1352[17:55:36] <jelly> setuid, if you're decent with a scripting language you can probably fix it in an hour or so
• 1353[17:55:40] <legonick> So basically a "ensure it's at destination (if not, send it) and delete from source".
• 1354[17:56:15] <setuid> jelly: I'm very decent with scripting/python/perl, but not comfortable handing them a script to fix, I'll suggest restoring a backup, let me dig into which one of these backups is the most-recent, unbroken
• 1355[17:56:26] <jelly> legonick, first rsync, then delete sources.
• 1356[17:56:57] <jelly> setuid, it's a text file, grab it, fix it, put it back
• 1357[17:57:26] <setuid> jelly: Would that break what debsums or other bits thinks should be installed?
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• 1359[17:57:34] <legonick> @jelly, rsync can't do it huh? --remove-source-files only deletes if the send worked.
• 1360[17:57:53] <jelly> er, grab current status and one of the backups in /var/backups/dpkg.status*
• 1361[17:57:53] <legonick> @jelly, if the other system sent it, it didn't send it, so it won't be deleted.
• 1362[17:58:35] <jelly> legonick, that option is a weird one anyway, yes.
• 1363[17:59:35] <n4dir> if you touch all files they should be rsync'ed again, if i am not wrong
• 1364[17:59:41] <neilthereildeil> when i install anew kernel, it tries to rebuild grub.conf. i get a bunch of errors about /dev/sdb not being found (i think because im using a LVM volume for /. how can i fix this error?
• 1365[17:59:46] <neilthereildeil> why is it looking for sdb?
• 1366[18:00:44] <setuid> jelly: Is there a way to find out if they ran something with aptitude/dselect that would have done this?
• 1367[18:01:22] <jelly> setuid, I don't know of any tool that would have changed only certain fields in many packages
• 1368[18:02:09] <legonick> @jelly, I'm not convinced it's that weird. I think you can have a case where an rsync transfer works but somehow the source doesn't get deleted. Not that file is stuck on the source "forever" because rsync can't resend it since it already exists in it's full form.
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• 1370[18:02:20] <legonick> *now
• 1371[18:03:11] <legonick> @jelly, basically, I want a way to sweep all the files with checksuming and delete any on the source that are already uploaded to the destination.
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• 1375[18:06:00] <jelly> legonick, your use case is sane. --remove-source-files only if transfer happened is what is weird.
• 1376[18:06:45] <jelly> so don't use it. rsync everything, and when it succeeds, delete everything.
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• 1378[18:06:54] <setuid> legonick: --delete-last or --inplace might help
• 1379[18:07:00] <setuid> legonick: --delete-after or --inplace might help
• 1380[18:07:03] <setuid> not -last
• 1381[18:07:24] <legonick> @jelly, I've seen it at least once. It does seem rare and weird. Looking to make it more robust.
• 1382[18:07:34] <legonick> @setuid, --delete-after is destination-side, not source.
• 1383[18:07:35] <jelly> setuid, that only changes when the deletions are done
• 1384[18:07:50] <setuid> Wait, you want to clean up the source side?
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• 1386[18:07:52] <jelly> it does not affect _what_ is done
• 1387[18:07:58] <legonick> @setuid, yep.
• 1388[18:08:15] <setuid> So you want to rsync local to remote, then remove all local files when remote is completed?
• 1389[18:08:53] <jelly> my migration cronjobs typically just rsync, then if that worked they delete everything (older than x)
• 1390[18:09:31] <jelly> it's even worse. there are separate jobs that rsync and separate that unconditionally delete, hoping the admin is going to notice rsync failure mails
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• 1392[18:09:38] <setuid> That's what rsnapshot was designed to solve :)
• 1393[18:09:52] <setuid> You could also just check exit code of your rsync job
• 1394[18:10:03] <legonick> @setuid, yes I think that's right.
• 1395[18:10:25] <jelly> you should always check the exit code :-)
• 1396[18:10:30] <legonick> Yeah looking like that...just rm the file(s) after rsync reports success.
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• 1400[18:11:48] <setuid> You could also use --summary, and make sure local file counts match what you expect to see in the summary
• 1401[18:11:58] * setuid rsync's terabytes of mirrors per-day, every day... this is BAU
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• 1406[18:14:22] <legonick> @setuid, BAU?
• 1407[18:14:34] <jelly> !bau
• 1408[18:14:51] <jelly> dpkg, bau is <reply>Business as usual. See <SOP>
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• 1410[18:14:52] <dpkg> jelly: okay
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• 1412[18:15:13] <jelly> !sop
• 1413[18:15:13] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, sop is Standard Operating Procedure
• 1414[18:15:25] <n4dir> legonick: typically in IRC you don't use @username, but just autocomplete the username so the according user gets a highlight he was spoken too.
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• 1416[18:15:49] <jelly> start typing someone's nickname and press Tab
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• 1420[18:17:30] <legonick> n4dir, saves a keystroke...notification is the same as using an @?
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• 1422[18:18:06] <n4dir> with @ the user you speak too doesn't get a "highlight" (not sure bout the proper term).
• 1423[18:18:35] <n4dir> say he is in another channel, he sees someone speaks to him here, switches to this channel and can quickly spot were and who spoke to him
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• 1425[18:19:10] <alex11> irc is not twitter
• 1426[18:19:17] <n4dir> you used n4dir, and i see your name in pink, usually i see usernames in white. I hope this makes sense, sure are better ways to explain it ...
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• 1430[18:19:57] <n4dir> mising to and too sure doesn't make it better. Sorry for that.
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• 1438[18:22:25] <jelly> @ is not used. starting the line with a nickname is enough for most irc client software to highlight the addressed
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• 1443[18:24:53] <sney> !mentions
• 1444[18:24:53] <dpkg> '@name' style mentions, common on social media and newer chat platforms, are not part of IRC. Most IRC clients ignore this kind of highlight. If you want to get someone's attention on IRC, don't @ them, simply type their nick at the beginning of the line.
• 1445[18:26:21] <legonick> OK. That's going to be a bear to break...habit from other platforms, LOL.
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• 1449[18:33:59] <metbsd> is debian a rolling release?
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• 1452[18:34:19] <metbsd> i mean i can keep updating it?
• 1453[18:34:30] <alex11> it's not a true rolling release but if you use testing/sid it's something like that
• 1454[18:34:34] <alex11> stable is more frozen
• 1455[18:34:51] <metbsd> but 10.7 to 10.8 is ok
• 1456[18:34:55] <koollman> yes
• 1457[18:34:58] <alex11> well, yes
• 1458[18:34:58] <metbsd> 10 to 11 needs reinstall?
• 1459[18:35:00] <alex11> no
• 1460[18:35:12] <alex11> there are release notes for major distribution updates like that
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• 1462[18:35:26] <metbsd> apt will still work?
• 1463[18:35:28] <metbsd> apt update
• 1464[18:35:38] <metbsd> for 10 to 11
• 1465[18:35:41] <alex11> yes lol, but apt update only refreshes the mirrors
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• 1469[18:35:57] <metbsd> what does that mean to me
• 1470[18:36:11] <alex11> you should read the release notes when it's time to upgrade to 11
• 1471[18:36:18] <jelly> metbsd, when a new release happens, it has documentation. You read that and follow the instructions to get from 10 to 11
• 1472[18:36:30] <metbsd> ok
• 1473[18:36:40] <metbsd> shouldn't be too much hassle right
• 1474[18:36:47] <alex11> depends on your setup
• 1475[18:36:48] <jelly> that documentation is called "release notes"
• 1476[18:37:10] <jelly> metbsd, you can read what was needed going from 9 to 10:
• 1477[18:37:15] <jelly> dpkg, stretch->buster
• 1478[18:37:15] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 1500[18:56:24] <setuid> jelly: thanks for the ideas
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• 1505[18:58:50] <jelly> ideas I can do, just don't ask for execution
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• 1528[19:11:52] <blackslide> Hi, do we get the freshest kernel updates from security and main apt sources or is there a way to get more recent updates "automatically" via apt update?
• 1529[19:12:13] <blackslide> running Debian 'buster'
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• 1531[19:14:01] <n4dir> stable-backports have newer kernels, if that is what you asked, blackslide
• 1532[19:14:10] <sney> depends on what you mean by 'recent'. stable kernels are only in the stable and -security repos, so if you have those, then you're good to go for the debian buster stable kernel.
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• 1535[19:14:54] <sney> yeah, if by 'recent' you mean 'newer than 4.19', backports is what you want. but it doesn't have the same security priority as the stable kernel.
• 1536[19:15:05] <blackslide> Okay, I had that active in stretch, since the cpu microcode hassle, the broken kernel found its way into stable way faster than the fixed version..
• 1537[19:15:52] <blackslide> I assumed 5.10 was the latest LTS kernel, soo, security wise that ought to be top notch, or isn't it?
• 1538[19:16:10] <sney> backports kernels aren't handled by the security team.
• 1539[19:16:55] <blackslide> So it might be garbage even though the kernel team says it's peachy?
• 1540[19:17:12] <sney> also, buster-backports currently maxes out at 5.9, because updating to 5.10 introduces issues with other packages. all of those packages would need to be backported at once. I don't know if it'll happen.
• 1541[19:17:30] <blackslide> Ah, that sounds like a dealbreaker for going to 5.10
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• 1545[19:18:08] <sney> kernel.org has their own opinions, when we talk about the "security team" in here it's referring to debian-security specifically
• 1546[19:18:35] <blackslide> Just trying to figure out how to fix my synaptics touchpad, that was broken @ kernel 4.10 >
• 1547[19:18:46] <blackslide> going back to 4.09 seems like a no-no :D
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• 1550[19:20:46] <sney> you may as well try the 5.9 in backports. it's available and easy to test.
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• 1553[19:21:50] <blackslide> I'll try that, seems like I'm running out of options with this synaptics crap.
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• 1555[19:22:26] <sney> Though if you know approximately when the issue first appeared, and you have time and want to do some hunting, this is the procedure to find the exact commit that broke your device: replaced-url
• 1556[19:22:52] <sney> with that information, you can write a good bug report and help get it fixed in future releases.
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• 1558[19:24:47] <blackslide> Yea, unfortunately I only can guess, since I didn't have time to focus on the issue at the time it appeared. I'm in a totally different field of work, so my time at the computer is highly limited.
• 1559[19:25:04] <blackslide> But I found an exact match to my issue in bugzilla
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• 1561[19:26:05] <blackslide> But I'm not sure if anyone cares to fix it, or if it is even fix-able, since it seems to be based on bad hw/fw design. It just somehow worked before, and with new implementations it broke.
• 1562[19:26:34] <sney> yeah, so that's a regression that should be addressed, even if it's a minority case as you say
• 1563[19:26:45] <sney> I'm sure there are thousands of your laptop model in circulation
• 1564[19:27:22] <blackslide> Yea, I'll see if I can dig the issue up.
• 1565[19:27:30] <blackslide> Thanks for the link.
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• 1567[19:27:55] <sney> does that bugzilla issue have a corresponding debian bug? if not, you may as well report it, describe your issue, and provide the link, so there's some accountability in debian t oo
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• 1574[19:35:17] <blackslide> Well, actually googling around revealed, there are many bug reports regarding several synaptics touchpads at around kernel 4.10-4.13.
• 1575[19:35:58] <blackslide> That bugzilla reporter has self-closed the bug as no-bug even though issue had gone milder but still persisted.
• 1576[19:36:57] <sney> there have always been touchpad issues throughout linux's history. some of them might be related and some might not.
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• 1578[19:37:29] <blackslide> Most seem to have been fixed by fiddling around with the kernel parameter psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=1 or 0
• 1579[19:37:55] <blackslide> So I assume that intertouch feature got changed or applied somwhere between 4.9 and 4.13
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• 1581[19:39:23] <legonick> Python question: what's faster, to check if a file exists with is_file() from pathlib, or just nuke it with unlink() with missing_ok set to true?
• 1582[19:39:38] <legonick> Most often it will not exist.
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• 1586[19:43:07] <hagbard_> legonick: Good idea would be to just try it out and measure the time it takes with timeit.
• 1587[19:43:27] <hagbard_> replaced-url
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• 1590[19:46:00] <legonick> hagbard_, cool, thanks.
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• 1594[19:48:46] <blackslide> Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong angle. Synaptics drover support was dropped in favor of libinput. Can that be the main cause for this whole thing?
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• 1596[19:49:13] <cluelessperson> How is apparmor used in debian by default?
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• 1601[19:54:14] <legonick> hagbard_, dang running old Python, no missing_ok allowed, so check-and-remove it is! LOL.
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• 1607[19:59:00] <blackslide> I wonder if the password windows that pop up at login are related to apparmor
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• 1610[20:00:03] <blackslide> Didn't have it in stretch and now it's default. blueman and rfkill keep asking for root credentials when logging into gnome.
• 1611[20:00:48] <blackslide> @cluelessperson: replaced-url
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• 1613[20:00:59] <blackslide> a good link to how it works.
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• 1631[20:11:46] <blackslide> I'm trying to add stuff to /etc/sudoers but... bash: visudo: command not found
• 1632[20:11:52] <blackslide> What?
• 1633[20:13:04] <n4dir> ran as root, blackslide ?
• 1634[20:13:09] <blackslide> yep
• 1635[20:13:21] <n4dir> to make the story short: su - ; instead of simple su in buster
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• 1638[20:13:30] <n4dir> !buster su
• 1639[20:13:31] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 1640[20:13:32] <blackslide> aha
• 1641[20:13:39] <n4dir> oh, i hit it. a miracle. :-)
• 1642[20:13:45] <blackslide> :D
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• 1647[20:15:42] <n4dir> blackslide: if you prefer you can make that permanent. so you can use "su" as before. i think the debian wiki has an entry how. If you don't find it i can tell it here
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• 1650[20:17:16] <blackslide> Nah, maybe they have a point there. Kind of defeats the meaning of user 99% and 1% sudo ...
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• 1652[20:17:50] <blackslide> Better to login as root from different tty so it's more "real" :D
• 1653[20:18:06] <albusp> I don't understand how my JAVA_HOME would have been set. It's currently pointing to an oracle installation which doesn't exist. And I can't find the set command under etc or home
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• 1656[20:19:24] <n4dir> blackslide: ah, right, if you sudo anyway, probably pointless. I was a bit sleepy
• 1657[20:19:55] <blackslide> Well, I su mostly, but that is a bad habit. Perhaps.
• 1658[20:19:56] <pidroid> i need some help with apt (i search an hook or something else to define sourcelist before known if a proxy is available or not) : replaced-url
• 1659[20:20:04] <pidroid> i take all suggest
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• 1661[20:20:25] <n4dir> blackslide: to me the problem is with "su -" i also change directory, which i usually don't want.
• 1662[20:20:59] <albusp> aha it's not set on the tty login. may be some desktop setup
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• 1664[20:21:22] <blackslide> Yea, when I run into something that needs sudo (I've restricted user accounts to just a handful of programs they can run as sudo.) I just su and continue from there.
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• 1667[20:21:56] <blackslide> So it was handy, but having user term and su term and whatnot open and accidentally my whole db :D
• 1668[20:22:25] <blackslide> So maybe it't not so bad to have better separation between root and userspace.
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• 1670[20:23:37] <n4dir> i thought about that for years now (run all su from TTY), but never do it. Probably as i never ran in some ugly mistake ... Anyway: probably a very good idea
• 1671[20:24:08] <blackslide> Yea, I think all that I've managed to do has been reversible so far :D
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• 1673[20:24:44] <blackslide> But atm I have a few annoyances to fix with this stretch > buster upgrade
• 1674[20:24:46] <n4dir> well, my root Prompt is "ROOT# ", those uppercase probably helps a bit to think twice before enter. And i don't really do much exciting stuff
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• 1676[20:26:05] <blackslide> Maybe have the whole terminal go all "Matrix"-green.. or even "battlestations!"-red :D would make it safer :D
• 1677[20:26:23] <gois> Is there a way to apt-get directly from replaced-url
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• 1680[20:26:53] <petn-randall> gois: The real question is "why would you want to do that?"
• 1681[20:26:59] <slop> gois! that sounds like openSUSE experience :D
• 1682[20:27:02] <petn-randall> !xy
• 1683[20:27:03] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1684[20:27:44] <gois> I am newbi at apt/source.list management, and I do not know how to specify the version I will to install
• 1685[20:28:22] <gois> Mostly I was to install replaced-url
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• 1687[20:28:47] <petn-randall> gois: It's bad practice to mix Debian releases, you'll turn your system into a Frankendebian that is broken and unmaintainable.
• 1688[20:29:37] <petn-randall> gois: Maybe it's best if you explain us what your goal is, not what you think is the solution.
• 1689[20:29:58] <blackslide> Muahaha, my Franken-Debian is muy bien porky say Hoink Hoink!
• 1690[20:30:59] <gois> I am to install R alongside with RServe and pyRserve, perform a pipe between python and R process
• 1691[20:31:10] <slop> gois, openSUSE allows you to download packages like that for whatever its worth
• 1692[20:31:16] <gois> It seems to allow interoperation between both environments.
• 1693[20:31:22] <blackslide> And current releases don't include your packages?
• 1694[20:31:24] <gois> I am with Kali now.
• 1695[20:31:32] <n4dir> sigh
• 1696[20:31:39] <blackslide> apt-get install "your package name here"
• 1697[20:31:51] <gois> it does not appear in apt-cache search
• 1698[20:31:53] <petn-randall> gois: Ok, that's even worse. You need to ask Kali support then.
• 1699[20:31:57] <petn-randall> !kali
• 1700[20:31:57] <dpkg> Kali Linux replaced-url
• 1701[20:31:58] <gois> ish
• 1702[20:32:03] <gois> sorry
• 1703[20:32:13] <slop> !debian
• 1704[20:32:13] <dpkg> [debian] replaced-url
• 1705[20:32:18] <gois> #bannedforever.
• 1706[20:32:24] <gois> ok.
• 1707[20:32:24] <petn-randall> slop: I don't see how you're helping.
• 1708[20:32:37] <blackslide> :D
• 1709[20:32:43] <slop> petn-randall, is that a requirement defined in this channel?
• 1710[20:33:04] <petn-randall> gois: Personally, I wouldn't use Kali as a base system, as it's hardware support is abyssimal and it doesn't play nice with upgrades.
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• 1712[20:33:46] <petn-randall> gois: If you need pentesting tools you can simply install it in a VM.
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• 1714[20:34:06] <blackslide> duh, how do I open a chat with another user? Using Irssi
• 1715[20:34:19] <n4dir> blackslide: /msg username hello chat?
• 1716[20:34:38] <petn-randall> blackslide: /query, however it's considered bad netiquette to do so without asking first.
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• 1718[20:34:42] <n4dir> perhaps instead of "hello chat" proper english ...
• 1719[20:34:42] <gois> I did not mean to mix subjects, since it is a debian-based os I tought that I could discuss it here
• 1720[20:34:52] <mort> hey, what's up with the pcre3 package? Why does the pcre3 package contain pcre 1?
• 1721[20:34:53] <gois> Anyway, perharps enough of this subject.
• 1722[20:34:56] <gois> Sorry bothering.
• 1723[20:35:10] <gois> And I shall find somewhere more appropriate to this question
• 1724[20:35:15] <gois> good afternoon
• 1725[20:35:15] <blackslide> Trying to get reply from dpkg bot
• 1726[20:35:22] <slop> oh gois, that makes sense but still. we end up with MX and Ubuntu etc people in as well at times
• 1727[20:35:24] <blackslide> don't want to flood the chan with my crap :D
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• 1729[20:35:32] <petn-randall> gois: Not really, Kali is some snapshot of testing at some point in time. So many bugs still in Kali likely have already been fixed in testing.
• 1730[20:35:43] <n4dir> - /msg dpkg ssb
• 1731[20:35:51] <gois> yes sir
• 1732[20:35:53] <n4dir> blackslide: ^^ for example
• 1733[20:36:11] <blackslide> Oh, so it replies to me not the whole world.. thanks :D
• 1734[20:37:04] <gois> I will just follow up the chat, then and going around to get it solved.
• 1735[20:37:13] <gois> And I will take it in account, to install pure debian.
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• 1737[20:37:16] <gois> \o
• 1738[20:37:21] <gois> cya
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• 1748[20:53:08] <hiya> hi, does stable version support 11th gen intel processors?
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• 1750[20:53:20] <hiya> Also Wifi6?
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• 1753[20:55:24] <nkuttler> hiya: which kernel version do you need for that?
• 1754[20:55:30] <jmcnaught> The CPU should be no problem, the integrated GPU and Wifi you might need newer kernel and/or firmware from buster-backports to get working.
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• 1758[20:58:55] <blackslide> There was some article a while ago that "linux" supports 11th gen intel cpu's 400 and 500 series gfx. But I don't know anything else.
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• 1760[21:00:29] <hiya> ok thanks, I will try buster-backports
• 1761[21:00:36] <hiya> nkuttler, I don't know
• 1762[21:03:09] <blackslide> Trying to read kernel.org's doc but it just states that everything from the stone-age to the far future is peachy... sort of :D
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• 1764[21:03:47] <blackslide> backports apparently has 5.9 atm but I assume as 5.10 was recenty deemed LTS, it could be there soon.
• 1765[21:05:23] <blackslide> Btw, anyone tried UML or UserMode Linux? as in Linux ported to Linux? :D
• 1766[21:05:57] <petn-randall> !anyone
• 1767[21:05:57] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1776[21:09:08] <blackslide> Thanks, I'll try it and see how it works out.
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• 1856[22:27:14] <GaryS> Hey All, Have a preseed question, i need to force UEFI and can't seem to find the right option
• 1857[22:27:27] <GaryS> (The partman prompt)
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