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23[00:06:13] <ql-500> as for the Brother P-touch QL-500, i have to say that i could not find any GNU/Linux newbie friendly tutorial
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26[00:07:06] <ql-500> and certainly no current debian documentation either
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29[00:08:38] <ql-500> so when it comes to the Brother P-touch QL-500, what are we Debian newbies supposed to do?
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31[00:09:09] <petemc> find out if it is compatible with another brother printer
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34[00:10:32] <somiaj> sometimes you can just go through cups and try different things. Try some generic printer settings, and then other brother models that are similar.
35[00:10:44] <somiaj> many times you can get generic prints but no additional features this way
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49[00:21:30] <transhuman> hi anyone know of any editors that do vertical cut and paste in linux
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52[00:23:04] <ql-500> somiaj, i am using the recommended debian driver and the Brother P-touch QL-500 is no ordinary printer, it is a printer that only prints labels
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92[00:39:37] <flipper887> L88O27la
93[00:39:43] <flipper887> Willie98
94[00:39:58] <somiaj> flipper887: do you have a debian support question?
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107[00:47:38] <flipper887> os therier a pre build package hor the headers and linux-image-4.14.9 in backports?
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114[00:49:03] <somiaj> ,kernels
115[00:49:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
116[00:49:05] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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118[00:49:33] <somiaj> flipper887: nope, but the 4.14 kernel just in buster, and backports follow after that, so they should be available soon
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121[00:49:56] <somiaj> flipper887: but it will only be 4.14.7 not 4.14.9
122[00:50:12] <flipper887> fine be me
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197[01:20:23] <videocall> what are the minimum system requirements to sustain a videocall using GNU Ring? I am talking about RAM, CPU, graphics card memory and the like
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337[02:58:08] <valerius> ppl, does anybody know wtf is this with the new GNU make 4.1 from current Debian Stretch? When I do "touch somefile" from the command line, it works fine. But when I execute the same command form a makefile, I got a "file not found" error. And it worked fine in 10-years-old Debian Lenny (which I run in a chroot)
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339[02:58:34] <valerius> *from
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352[03:04:50] <bxor2b> which not found touch or the somefile
353[03:05:23] <valerius> bxor2b somefile
354[03:05:31] <valerius> bxor2b touch is in place
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356[03:06:35] <valerius> bxor2b maybe, I need to set some special option in new make?
357[03:06:36] <bxor2b> it shouldn't matter about somefile if it doesn't exist then touch creates it - i think your makefile isn't doing a $PATH ?? and not finding touch
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359[03:07:37] <bxor2b> try the full path to touch in the makefile /bin/touch
360[03:07:39] <valerius> bxor2b no, touch creates the "somefile" file, but I still see the error
361[03:08:01] <bxor2b> then it must be from soemthing else
362[03:08:27] <bxor2b> do you get the error with just that one touch line
363[03:09:14] <valerius> /usr/bin/touch: cannot touch 'bin/kal.map': No such file or directory
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367[03:09:23] <valerius> but the file exists
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369[03:09:56] <valerius> no, no error at all if I run it from command line, by hand
370[03:10:40] <bxor2b> if you are doing bin/kal.map then does bin dir exist in current dir
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372[03:11:30] <valerius> yes, the "bin" dir exist
373[03:12:20] <bxor2b> you say the file is created? rm it and use full path to it and touch etc
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377[03:12:46] <valerius> Hm, and it successfully creates the file in the current directory, but doesn't want to create it in "bin"
378[03:12:56] <bxor2b> permissions
379[03:13:15] <bxor2b> owner and permission
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381[03:13:58] <valerius> bxor2b all files are owned by root and I run make as root
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391[03:15:01] <bxor2b> so is bin a real dir?
392[03:15:06] <valerius> so, touch bin/somefile gives an error, but touch somefile works without errors
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394[03:15:38] <valerius> bxor2b yes, "bin" is a real subdir in the current dir
395[03:15:52] <bxor2b> i get that error when bin doesn't exist
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398[03:16:27] <bxor2b> actualy i get touch: cannot touch `bin/somefile': No such file or directory
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400[03:16:38] <bxor2b> file not found??
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402[03:16:45] <valerius> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 28 05:11 bin
403[03:16:53] <bxor2b> i don;t get that when i mispell touch even
404[03:17:10] <bxor2b> maybe your Makefile is wrong?
405[03:17:14] <valerius> bxor2b yes, /usr/bin/touch: cannot touch 'bin/kal.map': No such file or directory
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412[03:18:02] <bxor2b> with no bin i get that error
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414[03:18:36] <bxor2b> rmdir it and mkdir it again - any chance your Makefile isn't really running in current dir with the bin in it
415[03:18:40] <valerius> bxor2b It is very simple (four lines only):
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418[03:19:03] <bxor2b> paste it
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426[03:21:02] <valerius> bxor2b replaced-url
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432[03:22:47] <valerius> the "all" target runs "map" target successfully, and the "kal.map" file gets created. But if I change it to bin/kal.map, it gets created too, but with "No such file or directory" error
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434[03:23:00] <bxor2b> you kinda haven't mentioned include $(REP_DIR)/mk/osfree.mk
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437[03:23:37] <bxor2b> and where is the bin/ ?
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439[03:24:25] <valerius> # cat osfree.mk
440[03:24:25] <valerius> OS3_DIR = $(REP_DIR)/../../..
441[03:24:25] <valerius> INC_DIR += $(OS3_DIR)/include/os2
442[03:24:25] <valerius> INC_DIR += $(OS3_DIR)/include
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444[03:24:51] <valerius> bin is in the current directory, it always exists
445[03:25:08] <bxor2b> so where is the bin in the makefile
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447[03:25:45] <valerius> bxor2b no "bin" in the makefile, at all
448[03:26:20] <valerius> bxor2b why does it matter?
449[03:26:28] <bxor2b> so why have you been mentioning bin/kal.map
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454[03:27:03] <valerius> bxor2b because I need it to be created in "bin"
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456[03:27:47] <valerius> bxor2b "bin" is created by previous build
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464[03:29:56] <bxor2b> lol good luck -
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469[03:34:57] <valerius> bxor2b finally got it working: replaced-url
470[03:35:49] <valerius> bxor2b strange because make complains about the "bin" directory, as it always exists
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476[03:37:47] <bxor2b> how could it even know about a bin directory
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480[03:40:03] <valerius> bxor2b I thought that it checks if a corresponding file/directory exists. It should check if it exist, and also check its timestamp
481[03:40:28] <valerius> and if it's older, rebuild it
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486[03:42:52] <asad_> for Intel GMA 4500 should I remove xorg*intel & also vaapi and vdpau pakages?
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489[03:44:44] <somiaj> asad_: you could try, or you could write an xorg.conf file to force using the modesetting driver. I'm unsure on the exact details on when the modesetting driver is prefered over the intel one.
490[03:45:11] <somiaj> I think newer modesetting features of the i915 driver can be accessed via the modesetting driver, but some say they get better results from the intel one.
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492[03:46:45] <asad_> Thanks for the info. To switch over to modesetting I need to remove those vaapi & vdpau pakages also, right?! x?
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494[03:48:19] <somiaj> I think you can just tell xorg.conf to use the modesetting driver if you want to test different things
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496[03:48:30] <somiaj> but if you remove the intel one, the modesetting ones should be then used by default
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554[04:05:33] <awal1> how can I force nm-applet to use a different icon theme?
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556[04:06:14] <awal1> I use tango icon theme
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564[04:10:26] <awal1> newest nm-applet icon theme doesn't really match black background of my tint2
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629[04:42:17] <awal1> I I want to change nm-applet icon theme, Is it correct if I just copy /usr/share/applications/nm-applet.desktop to .config/autostart and point Icon= to a different .png, say /usr/share/icons/mate/22x22/devices/nm-device-wireless.png, instead of the default icon'nm-device-wireless' ?
630[04:43:42] <kingsley> Do you happen to have any idea why the melt and kdenlive packages are crashing with segmentation faults, at least on my computer, which runs code from the unstable distro?
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632[04:44:10] <kingsley> A back trace from gdb is at
633[04:44:20] <n4dir> !next
634[04:44:20] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
635[04:44:26] <n4dir> !debian-next
636[04:44:26] <kingsley> replaced-url
637[04:44:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
638[04:44:28] <annadane> are you using sid completely or mixing stable and unstable?
639[04:44:36] <awal1> or just modify "Icon= foo" line in /usr/share/applications/nm-applet.desktop in situs?
640[04:44:44] <kingsley> valgrind said "0 bytes in 1 blocks are definitely lost"
641[04:44:59] <awal1> in situ ^
642[04:45:00] <kingsley> Its log is at
643[04:45:14] <kingsley> replaced-url
644[04:45:25] <annadane> kingsley, as n4dir invoked from the bot, if you're running sid completely and not just mixing sid + stable, you should ask in #debian-next on OFTC
645[04:46:35] <kingsley> annadane: I use some packages from unstable, and others from older distros.
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647[04:47:08] <kingsley> annadane: Yes, I'll ask in #debian-next.
648[04:47:28] <annadane> kingsley, well, it sounds like you then have a mess which is difficult to untangle
649[04:47:30] <annadane> or diagnose
650[04:47:42] <annadane> mixing repositories is not generally recommended
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652[04:49:25] <kingsley> annadane: Yes, you're not wrong.
653[04:49:39] <kingsley> But, on the plus side?
654[04:50:01] <kingsley> Data on how robust Debian package management is.
655[04:50:02] * n4dir can't see anything on the plus side
656[04:50:34] <kingsley> Behold! replaced-url
657[04:50:43] <n4dir> i would just go for sid, if that is what i wanted. Mixing stable with anything but backports doesn't seem to make any sense
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691[05:18:27] <Nirvash> Anyone have experience with apt-get update and apt-get install git failing with a timeout?
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697[05:20:13] <asterismo_m> hi
698[05:20:35] <asterismo_m> i'm having an issue that i don't know how to solve
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700[05:21:29] <asterismo_m> i installed Debian Jessie in a RAID1 (mirror) of two 500gb HDDs with encrypted LVM
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702[05:22:30] <asterismo_m> after the system is installed fdisk shows that the partition is not aligned and does not start in a sectot boundary
703[05:22:54] <asterismo_m> is there any fix to this without reinstalling the whole OS?
704[05:23:22] <asterismo_m> i read that maye there is a 20-30% perfermance penalty
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706[05:23:30] <asterismo_m> which seems very huge
707[05:24:08] <asterismo_m> the thing is that the Debian installer did that bad sector thing, how do i fix this?
708[05:24:13] <asterismo_m> appreciate any help
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714[05:28:02] <somiaj> asterismo_m: are you sure you are using mbr partitions and not gpt partitions?
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730[05:39:48] <notafemalenot13> The Debian installer makes the stupid suggestion to "change the password regularly".
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732[05:40:05] <notafemalenot13> That advice is like asking to forget their password and have no kept backups.
733[05:40:10] <notafemalenot13> (because they become outdated)
734[05:40:18] <notafemalenot13> *asking people
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739[05:41:48] <notafemalenot13> Also, why doesn't the installer do everything that requires waiting in one step? Why ask questions, work a little bit, ask more questions, etc.?
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805[06:26:18] <hithere> Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to install Debian 9 on an Asus Tinker Board? They have a TinkerOS based on Debian but it comes with a lot of crap installed and I'm looking to build from a base system up.
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818[06:36:57] <somiaj> hithere: what kernel do they use? Might depend on how much modification is needed on the kernel.
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820[06:37:36] <xtore> is there anything such as an autoexec.bat file for debian? in centos there is /etc/rc.local
821[06:38:02] <somiaj> debian has /etc/rc.local, but you can also just write your own unit file and put it in /etc/systemd/system
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825[06:43:36] <xtore> hopefully that applies to raspbian too. I wanted to gather as much logging information as possible as to why my headless pi does not boot
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827[06:44:09] <xtore> I assume rc.local runs only after most of the services including networking have had a chance to stabilize and log any errors
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831[06:44:54] <somiaj> correct, it is controled by the rc-local.service
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835[06:47:27] <notafemalenot13> Why doesn't the Debian installer do everything that requires waiting in one step? Why ask questions, work a little bit, ask more questions, etc.?
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846[06:53:00] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: design choice, though some decisions need to be complete before moving on. If you want you can build a preseed and just automate the whole process
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848[06:53:56] <hithere> somiaj: Having a hard time finding anything on that. They don't seem to have much information on what is different. It runs on a Rockchip RK3288 (32bit Arm) if that helps.
849[06:54:25] <somiaj> hithere: do you have the kernel running, what is unqme-a
850[06:54:29] <somiaj> uname -a
851[06:54:33] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: Sounds like a major PITA to do some "preseed" thing...
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853[06:54:58] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: One of the biggest complaints with Windows installers that everyone made fun of was how it kept interrupting the loading for asking questions.
854[06:55:11] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: The fact that a Linux would do this highly surprises me.
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856[06:56:29] <somiaj> hithere: I think in order to run debian without modifing the kernel the arm device needs to be of a certain version chip.
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861[06:58:32] <hithere> somiaj: It also says it can run Armbian which I've never heard of. That has information and there latest kernel is 4.14.9 (linux-image-next-rockchip Rockchip 3288)
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867[07:00:19] <somiaj> hithere: you could try #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net to see if someone is more familar with arm hardware.
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891[07:15:46] <notafemalenot13> Question: Why are there no icons on the desktop?
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915[07:28:02] <awal1> notafemalenot13, no icons on desktop? is that gnome?
916[07:28:22] <awal1> well, you can just add the ones you want
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918[07:29:38] <awal1> icons on desktop is a very windows "thing". I personally dislike them. i just want to se my conky
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920[07:29:55] <awal1> or xmobar
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922[07:30:50] <notafemalenot13> The VM has frozen...
923[07:31:00] <notafemalenot13> awal1: No idea what it is. Whatever Debian uses.
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925[07:31:14] <notafemalenot13> I'll tell you one thing, though: it's the least intuitive GUI I've ever used.
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930[07:33:55] <awal1> notafemalenot13, do you have any support question apart complaining?
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932[07:36:00] <awal1> I personally like gnome shell, it have a unique design. but i don't use it bcoz I don't need it
933[07:36:27] <notafemalenot13> Even the VirtualBox "Guest Additions" cannot be installed on Debian.
934[07:36:37] <awal1> why not?
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936[07:36:56] <awal1> I have vbox and gest additions, all works smoothly
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939[07:38:27] <notafemalenot13> awal1: replaced-url
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941[07:38:30] <notafemalenot13> Don't ask me...
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945[07:40:55] <notafemalenot13> I remember having countless issues every time I have tried any Linux distro in any of the VM software.
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947[07:41:32] <notafemalenot13> As if they aren't supported at all.
948[07:41:34] <awal1> notafemalenot13, mount your guest additions, first
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950[07:41:41] <notafemalenot13> ?
951[07:41:46] <notafemalenot13> What do you think that CD is from?
952[07:41:50] <notafemalenot13> *Where
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955[07:42:13] <awal1> for make thing easiest: copy them to your home and as root run ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run
956[07:42:18] <awal1> that is all
957[07:42:35] <awal1> you need 'make' linux headers and
958[07:42:44] <awal1> i forgot what else right now :P
959[07:42:45] <somiaj> why not just isntall them from backports?
960[07:42:55] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms
961[07:42:56] <judd> Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.4-dfsg-1;
962[07:42:57] <judd> sid/contrib: 5.2.4-dfsg-1
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964[07:43:27] <awal1> ,v virtualbox-linux-additions.iso
965[07:43:28] <judd> No package named 'virtualbox-linux-additions.iso' was found in amd64.
966[07:43:58] <awal1> ,v virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
967[07:43:59] <judd> Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.3.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.3.18-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 5.1.8-1~bpo8+1; buster/non-free: 5.2.4-1; sid/non-free: 5.2.4-1
968[07:44:04] <awal1> somiaj, ^
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970[07:44:39] <notafemalenot13> Confusing...
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972[07:44:46] <somiaj> what do you need the iso for? For a guest, you need the guest kernel module.
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976[07:45:47] <awal1> notafemalenot13, you need gcc, make and dkms pkgs for be able to use vbox guest additions
977[07:46:02] <notafemalenot13> Sounds like great fun...
978[07:46:27] <awal1> I told you all what you have to do
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980[07:47:20] <notafemalenot13> I have no idea what you mean I'm supposed to do now.
981[07:47:31] <somiaj> installing the virtualbox-guest-dkms inside the guest will pull the rest in, you will need to install the linux-headers-amd64, and you may also want virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-x11
982[07:47:43] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: inside the guiest, add stretc-backports and install the guest packages.
983[07:47:51] <notafemalenot13> Why isn't this done automatically?
984[07:48:27] <notafemalenot13> I mean, they have made Linux "guest additions" as a disc you supposedly can run? But somehow it causes an error instead?
985[07:48:38] <awal1> notafemalenot13, what do you really expecting to get with virtualbox guest additions?
986[07:48:49] <somiaj> a few reasons, first they are stretch-backports package, second this is special only to installs in virtualbox. There are plenty of vms that are not virtualbox
987[07:49:19] <notafemalenot13> awal1: I expect for it to not run at 1 FPS and allow anything but 800x600 resolution.
988[07:49:25] <somiaj> also virtualbox is in contrib, which is another layer to deal with. But in the end, just install the correct packages.
989[07:50:01] <awal1> somiaj, virtualbox and its guest additions are not in stretch/stretch backports
990[07:50:10] <somiaj> awal1: yes they are.
991[07:50:30] <somiaj> the packages virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-utils, virtualbox-guest-x11 are all in stretch-backports
992[07:51:17] <awal1> for resolution (full screen...) she (he) needs virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
993[07:51:24] <somiaj> no he doesn't
994[07:51:50] <awal1> not right
995[07:51:54] <somiaj> the packages I listed will work. The packages I listed are from the iso, but already integrated into the debian system via the packages.
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997[07:52:28] <somiaj> the .iso was meant to be installed on the host, to give access to the guess as a cdrom to install the addons. Debian provides these addons as packages for the guest in terms of the packages I listed.
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999[07:53:06] <awal1> somiaj, maybe yeah. I was referring to host only
1000[07:53:23] <awal1> not sure what it can be done in guest itself
1001[07:53:35] <somiaj> well I have explained it already.
1002[07:53:44] <somiaj> install the virtualbox-guest packages inside the guest.
1003[07:53:53] <rypervenche> notafemalenot13: You should be able to choose "mount guest additions ISO" from the options in Virtualbox, and if it's not already on your system, it will download it and mount it on your VM. It may or may not autorun the .run file. I don't remember. If not, just go into its mount point and run it to install them on the guest.
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1007[07:54:21] <somiaj> rypervenche: even then, the guest is debian. Install the debian packages that are made for this.
1008[07:54:51] <notafemalenot13> rypervenche: See screenshot: replaced-url
1009[07:54:55] <rypervenche> somiaj: Then notafemalenot13 can do that instead if he/she wishes. Both options are available.
1010[07:55:10] <awal1> somiaj, you mean virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-x11 in the guest replaces virtualbox-guest-additions in the host?
1011[07:55:19] <awal1> ok, let me try in my second debian vm
1012[07:55:25] <awal1> good info
1013[07:55:25] <somiaj> awal1: you also need the kernel module.
1014[07:55:46] <rypervenche> notafemalenot13: I already saw that.
1015[07:55:51] <somiaj> awal1: this is getting the packages the debian way, instead of using the third party installer provided by virtualbox/oracle
1016[07:56:16] <awal1> somiaj, you mean virtualbox-guest-dkms? ok
1017[07:56:37] <somiaj> this way you know it is integrated into your system via debian packages, and not installed via some third party installer.
1018[07:57:08] <awal1> guest additions are also in main
1019[07:57:12] <awal1> third party?
1020[07:57:22] <somiaj> they are in contrib
1021[07:57:35] <somiaj> awal1: yes, the installer on the iso is not made by debian, it is made by virtualbox.
1022[07:57:35] <notafemalenot13> Also, right-clicking autorun.sh doesn't give me the ability to "run in termal" or "run as script" or anything.
1023[07:57:47] <notafemalenot13> And there seems to be no "open this dir in terminal" either.
1024[07:57:55] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: just install the packages from debian, they are already configured to work with the debian system.
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1026[07:58:15] <awal1> somiaj, oh, s****; you are right. i tought they are in main :P
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1028[07:58:35] <somiaj> they are actually in stretch-backports/contrib which would needed to be added to the sources.list to install
1029[07:59:19] <somiaj> awal1: to build the virtualbox bios non-free software is used. That is why they are in contrib, one cannot build all of virtualbox without using nonfree software (but this applies only to the bios which comes prebuilt)
1030[07:59:43] <somiaj> so the software is free, the bios is free, the tools to build the bios or not.
1031[08:00:29] <awal1> somiaj, good to know. I'll remove guest-additions-iso so after checking virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 virtualbox-guest-dkms really replaces them. good to know, thanks
1032[08:01:01] <somiaj> awal1: I'm unsure why they don't still provdie the iso for the host (maybe to much confusion), but it would still be useful for windows guests. Maybe they just assume you can download the .iso if needed)
1033[08:01:06] <awal1> i am not really a fun of vbox, nor I have a vaste knowledge about it. I just use it bcoz of fullscreen mode
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1037[08:01:59] <somiaj> I like qemu-kvm myself.
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1039[08:02:03] <Lope> It seems like old versions of ssh-keygen (running on jessie) don't support "-E sha256"
1040[08:02:03] <awal1> qemu/kvm is/are much better, regarding integration and stability
1041[08:02:22] <somiaj> ,v ssh-keygen
1042[08:02:23] <judd> No package named 'ssh-keygen' was found in amd64.
1043[08:02:30] <awal1> but in sid, so buggy qemu/kvm
1044[08:03:00] <Lope> judd: it's included in openssh-server
1045[08:03:15] <somiaj> Lope: could it be a missing libary? I'm unsure, I do know there was a libssl bump between jessie and stretch, from 1.0 to 1.1, though unsure if that had anything to do with it.
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1047[08:03:56] <Lope> somiaj: okay, i worked around by using the md5 key on the other side.
1048[08:04:06] <Lope> Just interesting :)
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1051[08:05:00] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: HOW?
1052[08:05:40] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: first add stretch-backports to your sources.list and make sure you include contrib
1053[08:05:43] <somiaj> !stretch-backports
1054[08:05:44] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
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1061[08:08:35] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: I didn't get any of that.
1062[08:09:03] <notafemalenot13> But I can tell that this is going to be a nightmare working with, so I'll just forget about running my project in a Linux VM.
1063[08:09:14] <notafemalenot13> It's still not even close to mature for even basic use.
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1075[08:15:42] <dax> well that's ##windows and #debian down, wonder which poor channel will be next
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1078[08:19:09] <awal1> somiaj, perfect, virtualbox-quest-additions-iso no more needed in the host. (virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 virtualbox-guest-dkms) does the job :) thanks
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1087[08:26:45] <roger21> is there a reference init.d script to start svnserve on debian 9
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1102[08:38:18] <somiaj> roger21: where did you install the svnserver from, I would think the debian package would come with one. I would alsu sugget writting a systemd unit file instead.
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1108[08:42:05] <roger21> somiaj, it does not come with one
1109[08:42:47] <roger21> apparently it has been a long lasting bug report never fully addressed
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1113[08:45:01] <somiaj> replaced-url
1114[08:45:08] <somiaj> there is a unit file for svnserve
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1116[08:45:18] <Strogg> 'lo 'lo
1117[08:46:26] <Strogg> so... I installed debian i686, when I realize now I was supposed to install amd64. (I've got an intel i5). I don't suppose there's anyway to do a hotswap without reinstalling, is?
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1119[08:46:46] <Strogg> I'm guessing I can't just install the amd64 kernel, change my apt sources and dist-upgrade?
1120[08:47:01] <somiaj> Strogg: there is, but it is far easier to reinstall
1121[08:47:22] <somiaj> replaced-url
1122[08:47:31] * Strogg follows the link
1123[08:47:41] <Strogg> I'm on christmas break.... might as well do something :)
1124[08:47:47] <Strogg> thanks
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1129[08:49:44] <Strogg> somiaj: hot damn.. that seems relatively painless
1130[08:50:08] <roger21> why the fuck my cd driver is making noises seriously wth
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1132[08:54:26] <roger21> somiaj, the stackoverflow thread is even less of a reference than a randon init.d script it implies severl system modifications than an init.d script does not
1133[08:54:30] <roger21> i won't use it
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1135[08:55:54] <roger21> damn it why the fuck my cd drivers is doing stuf
1136[08:56:07] <somiaj> roger21: just use the unit file and put the options you want directly in the ExecStart command
1137[08:56:19] <roger21> no
1138[08:56:28] <roger21> hich one first
1139[08:56:30] <roger21> w
1140[08:56:47] <somiaj> anyways, an init.d script just turns into a unit file anyways, just ensure it has proper LSB headers.
1141[08:56:54] <roger21> then depending on which one i need to create accounts and folders
1142[08:56:57] <roger21> i won't do
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1156[09:02:48] <awal1> so for disable bell on root Console session? blacklist pcspkr?
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1159[09:03:27] <awal1> dpkg: pcspkr
1160[09:03:27] <dpkg> The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4, the Linux kernel no longer autoloads it since linux 3.13.4-1 (Debian bug #697709).
1161[09:03:28] <somiaj> did you put the .inputrc in /root?
1162[09:03:58] <awal1> no, just in /home
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1164[09:04:10] <somiaj> roots $HOME is /root
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1173[09:05:57] <awal1> I know that the /root directory is the home directory of the root account
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1176[09:07:23] <somiaj> well then why did you put the file in /home?
1177[09:07:44] <awal1> i mean I have inputrc in /home/myuser
1178[09:07:52] <awal1> where should i put it so?
1179[09:07:57] <somiaj> anyways, I it is a shell thing, and needs to be in the users $HOME
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1181[09:08:02] <somiaj> you should put it in /root
1182[09:08:35] <awal1> oh, ok. i'll check that. thanks
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1198[09:30:41] <roger21> so does anybody use an init.d script for svnserve he would be confortable enough with it to share ir?
1199[09:30:51] <roger21> tit too
1200[09:31:00] <roger21> no no not tits
1201[09:31:06] <roger21> just it
1202[09:31:17] <gagrio_> why not tits?
1203[09:31:21] <gagrio_> tits are amazing
1204[09:31:22] <gagrio_> :D
1205[09:31:28] <roger21> because it's not the place
1206[09:31:59] <gagrio_> true
1207[09:32:00] <gagrio_> :D
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1210[09:33:22] <somiaj> keep language family friendly please.
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1212[09:33:43] <JustASlacker> isnt tits familiy friendly?
1213[09:33:49] <JustASlacker> its what toddlers crave
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1222[09:40:34] <awal1> somiaj, what difference if putting inputrc file in /root instead of using the already existing /etc/inputrc ?
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1224[09:41:18] <somiaj> awal1: systemwide vs user config.
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1226[09:41:29] <somiaj> puttin git $HOME affects the user, /etc will affect the system.
1227[09:41:48] <rubas> Hello, when I type "last", I see the following entry: "reboot system boot 3.16.0-4-amd64 Fri Dec 22 13:11 - 09:39 (5+20:27)" - what does this specifically mean?
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1232[09:43:23] <awal1> somiaj, /etc are only user concerns?
1233[09:43:26] <awal1> hm
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1235[09:44:19] <somiaj> awal1: no /etc is the standard place to put configuration files. User specific configurations can also be put in $HOME for many programs. Depending on the prorgram determines how it uses both if both are present.
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1237[09:45:27] <somiaj> rubas: it appears to be the time between a system reboot and the next boot.
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1239[09:46:11] <awal1> somiaj, so inputrc for root shell, definitely is /root
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1241[09:46:31] <awal1> well, that is logical, just confused I was
1242[09:46:34] <somiaj> of course, because for the user root that is $HOME
1243[09:46:44] <awal1> right
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1245[09:47:22] <awal1> I should learn more about linux dirs hierarchy
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1247[09:48:12] <awal1> using gnu/linux one learns every day, that is fine
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1249[09:51:44] <awal1> rubas, if I am not wrong, that refers to system shutdown, reboot especificaly
1250[09:52:22] <somiaj> I don't think it is a systemd specific thing, it just lets you know when reboots happen
1251[09:52:25] <rubas> somiaj: I couldn't connect to the machine, before forcing a reboot (pushing the button) -
1252[09:52:28] <rubas> somiaj: Thank you
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1254[09:52:59] <rubas> awal1 somiaj: do you have any idea why it reboots and becomes unresponsive?
1255[09:53:17] <somiaj> from man last, "The pseudo user reboot logs in each time the system is rebooted. Thus last reboot will show a log of all the reboots since the log file was created."
1256[09:53:46] <rubas> Following is the last 5 entries of the last command: replaced-url
1257[09:53:56] <awal1> system boot will be displayed if you run "last reboot"
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1259[09:54:17] <somiaj> note the dates, the top entries are more recent.
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1261[09:54:56] <rubas> The top reboot was a manuel reboot, the next reboot entry, is not done by me
1262[09:55:04] <somiaj> anyways, you'll have to debug why it is becomming unresponsive, but that looks like root is still loged in since the last boot
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1264[09:55:54] <rubas> Is it possible to see whom/what did the unforced / unasked reboot?
1265[09:56:00] <rubas> The top entry (with root login), is me :)
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1268[09:56:03] <rubas> somiaj: thank you :)
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1270[09:56:22] <somiaj> you ahve the time, could look around the logs at that time, but it appears that only root was loged in from what I see
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1274[09:57:27] <rubas> somiaj: when we look at 'reboot system boot 3.16.0-4-amd64 Fri Dec 22 13:11 - 09:53 (5+20:41)' it seems like the end time is 09:53 (when the machine became responsive again)
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1276[09:58:42] <rubas> somiaj: I'll look further into it, thank you :)
1277[09:58:59] <somiaj> I'm unsure on the numbers there, but my numbers don't see like it is start/finish time
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1283[10:01:32] <no_gravity> What's the best way to free all data from a partition? rm -r *? Or is it better to format it?
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1285[10:02:40] <somiaj> no_gravity: if you want to keep the partition where it is with same filesystem and uuid, then rm would be fine. Just make sure the recusrive doesn't hit things it shoudln't
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1287[10:02:48] <rubas> somiaj: I have been looking at the auth.log, and it seems like it became unresponsive at some point 02:00 the 24th - where it completely shuts off connections. (I can see, people are trying to brute force the machine, until some point, people just stop brute forcing)
1288[10:03:06] <no_gravity> somiaj: I was thinking maybe formating it would kind of defrag it?
1289[10:03:19] <somiaj> rubas: is your harddrive full? check other logs files
1290[10:03:22] <rubas> somiaj: replaced-url
1291[10:03:36] <somiaj> no_gravity: linux file systems shouldn't really get fragmented as long as you have reserved blocks
1292[10:03:56] <somiaj> rubas: check other logs, like hardware logs, see if something is going on with your hardware
1293[10:04:11] <no_gravity> somiaj: How can I check?
1294[10:04:41] <somiaj> no_gravity: you can check an ext filesystem with fsck, umount it first.
1295[10:05:12] <no_gravity> somiaj: That will show me the fragmentation?
1296[10:05:34] <somiaj> no_gravity: if it is ext, dumpe2fs /dev/sda2 or whatever it is
1297[10:05:58] <no_gravity> I will just do mkfs.ext4
1298[10:06:07] <no_gravity> I guess then I'm sure it's in the optimal state.
1299[10:06:12] <bipul> "//run/user/04/gvfs permission dennied " why i am getting this message? What is gvfs ? How to resolve it?
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1303[10:06:31] <rubas> somiaj: It seems like I am getting a lot of kernel panics
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1305[10:06:50] <rubas> somiaj: I have docker installed on the machine, it might be that combined with the kernel version, that is having issues with each other
1306[10:06:53] <somiaj> rubas: what version of debian is this?
1307[10:06:58] <dokma> Display is corrupt for my tmux systemd service until I attach to it. Probably because tmux doesn't have display environ until I connect to it. What could I do about it?
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1309[10:07:11] <dokma> replaced-url
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1312[10:07:33] <rubas> somiaj: Debian GNU/Linux 8
1313[10:07:53] <rubas> somiaj: 8.10
1314[10:07:54] <no_gravity> Is ext4 the right choice for a partition which will contain virtual box machines?
1315[10:08:35] <somiaj> rubas: there was a bug that caused kernel panics with the update to 8.10, I think it has been fixed now, make sure you have the most current kernel.
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1321[10:11:49] <rubas> somiaj: Thank you, I'll upgrade to Debian 9
1322[10:12:08] <somiaj> you shoudln't need to do that, just get the fixed kernel for 8.10
1323[10:12:21] <somiaj> or downgrade the kernel to the last fixed version (provided this is the bug you are getting)
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1325[10:12:29] <somiaj> if you are pannicing for another reason, might be hardware
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1329[10:13:35] <rubas> somiaj: but wouldn't it be fixed, if I upgrade to Debian 9? Or is there more issues related to that?
1330[10:13:36] <fireba11> question: i was using websvn on oldstable. it's not in the current release apparently, how can i find out if there is any replacement or similar package?
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1332[10:14:40] <somiaj> rubas: no, if you want to upgrade to stretch go for it. Expect to deal with changes and the likes, I just thought it was a bit overkill for this one issue.
1333[10:14:46] <somiaj> but if you feel like you should be running stretch go for it.
1334[10:15:23] <somiaj> fireba11: oldstable won't have many current releases, you could check jessie-backports for a newer version. You could also backport it yourself if you need that software
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1336[10:15:44] <rubas> somiaj: I feel like I should be running stretch :) I only have docker installed on this machine, and is going to use mainly this machine for docker -
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1338[10:15:59] <rubas> somiaj: once again, thank you for great insight
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1341[10:16:43] <somiaj> rubas: make sure to read the release notes and realize that sometimes you have to adjust configs for the newer versions of software
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1347[10:21:07] <fireba11> somiaj: no i meant that package is not in stable anymore ...
1348[10:21:40] <somiaj> I don't know of any alternatives, you could try apt search
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1352[10:23:05] <rubas> somiaj: will do that
1353[10:23:20] <fireba11> somiaj: sadly 0 hits. ah well we're moving over to git anyway so i hope it's not a real issue :-D
1354[10:23:21] <somiaj> fireba11: I'm not seeing anything, I assume you are wanting a web interface to svn?
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1357[10:23:53] <fireba11> somiaj: yes. our ticket system provided links direktly to the changed files, so that was quite comfy to check out what got changed
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1360[10:24:53] <somiaj> fireba11: replaced-url
1361[10:24:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1362[10:25:06] <somiaj> fireba11: you maybe able to compile it yourself and do some of the itnegraiton if you really need it in stretch.
1363[10:25:07] <fireba11> ah
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1369[10:27:20] <somiaj> fireba11: you might also be able to get it from upstream, it seems it is written in php.
1370[10:27:25] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1380[10:32:09] <fireba11> somiaj: last release from 2011 *cries*
1381[10:32:18] <fireba11> i think i'd rather not :-D
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1389[10:34:55] <allure> hey guys... how do I speedtest a specific interface? I want to speedtest eth2, but dont know if it is possible with speedtest-cli
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1398[10:37:45] <jelly> allure, which interface does your default route use?
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1400[10:38:17] <jelly> that's what speedtest-cli, accessing a server on the internet, is going to use
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1404[10:40:01] <allure> jelly: eth0.. so it's impossible to test eth2?
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1406[10:40:10] <allure> other than changing the default routes?
1407[10:40:25] <jelly> not with an internet-facing tool
1408[10:40:38] <allure> ok, thanks man
1409[10:40:41] <allure> I will try iperf, then
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1411[10:40:50] <allure> not ideal, but... :)
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1439[10:58:35] <hexhaxtron> Why is it that replaced-url
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1449[11:04:49] <kopper> They don't have non-SSL site up and forgot the redirection
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1462[11:12:03] <jelly> hexhaxtron, both https and http sites works for me
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1488[11:22:56] <kale> hi, i have chosen btrfs for a shared filesystem. but it seems slow. etx4 is much faster. is this true, or is it me misconfiguring things?
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1492[11:25:31] <jelly> btrfs is still pretty much a work in progress, kale
1493[11:25:38] <allure> guys, when I try to add a new routing table with iproute2, it says: "Error: argument "T2" is wrong: "table" value is invalid" -- the command I used is "ip route add 192.168.100.0/24 dev eth2 src 192.168.100.5 table T2", which is how it is written is two guides I found (replaced-url
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1495[11:25:44] <allure> am I going wrong here?
1496[11:25:56] <kale> jelly: oh, it just took it because i could live shrink and grow the filesystem
1497[11:26:31] <jelly> allure, does table T2 exist at all? maybe ask in #netfilter ?
1498[11:27:09] <allure> jelly: will do, thanks man
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1502[11:28:18] <allure> jelly: you actually pointed me on the right direction.... backup was restored for /etc/ yesterday, so I lost /etc/iproute2/ that I created yesterday morning... I should've checked :)
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1506[11:29:39] <jelly> a matter of translating the error message to human
1507[11:30:20] <allure> jelly: hahaha so True
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1513[11:35:16] <jelly> ,v haproxy
1514[11:35:17] <judd> Package: haproxy on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.5.8-3+deb8u1; wheezy-backports: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.7.5-2~bpo7+1; jessie-backports: 1.7.5-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.5-2; jessie-backports-sloppy: 1.7.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 1.7.9-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.7.9-1; sid: 1.7.9-1; experimental: 1.8.2-1
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1529[11:42:40] <roger21> so there is no init.d/skeleton anymore
1530[11:42:58] <roger21> what is my quaestion
1531[11:43:44] <roger21> where can i find one
1532[11:43:48] <roger21> up to date
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1534[11:44:07] <Pr0metheus> I want to setup a remote server on a machine. I want the user to be able to login in the existing session if there is one or start a new. I also need it to start automatically at the login screen without the requirement for someone to have already logged on. Can anyone provide a suggestion? I tried tigervnc but x0vncserver requires someone to be logged on for it to run.
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1536[11:45:37] <apollo13> roger21: debian stable uses systemd, so you might wanna write a unit file instead
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1538[11:45:46] <apollo13> init.d should no longer be used
1539[11:46:15] <roger21> where does those things go
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1541[11:46:53] <kopper> Pr0metheus: Isn't SSH + screen enough, or do you need GUI for something?
1542[11:47:09] <Pr0metheus> kopper I need the GUI (Gnome)
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1546[11:51:22] <kopper> You could some of these replaced-url
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1548[11:51:44] <roger21> apollo13, do you have some info on how to create one of those
1549[11:52:03] <apollo13> roger21: replaced-url
1550[11:52:10] <kopper> You could try*
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1552[11:52:43] <apollo13> as for how to write them, there are endless examples around in the web, or you can copy & adjust an existing one
1553[11:52:48] <apollo13> it is just a few lines anyways
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1555[11:55:58] <roger21> and i put it with the others or is ther a command
1556[11:56:43] <roger21> can i has a skeleton
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1558[11:58:14] <roger21> well no
1559[11:58:48] <roger21> why is it so fucking complicated to do stuf!!!!!
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1561[11:58:56] <jelly> judd, file etc/init.d/skeleton
1562[11:59:00] <roger21> no doc nothing
1563[11:59:01] <judd> Search for etc/init.d/skeleton in stretch/amd64: initscripts: etc/init.d/skeleton
1564[11:59:08] <jelly> roger21, install that?
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1569[12:02:21] <roger21> jelly, ok i won't install but i have the skeleton now, thaks for that
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1573[12:03:57] <roger21> well no
1574[12:04:01] <roger21> it's not good
1575[12:04:25] <roger21> it's a kind of a weird ugly piece of stub
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1580[12:05:18] <jelly> that's what skeleton means, yes
1581[12:05:23] <roger21> nah
1582[12:05:48] <roger21> skeleton you fill the blank
1583[12:06:19] <roger21> this thing as more blank that a released cia doocument about jfk assasiantion
1584[12:07:24] <jelly> apparently you just put in your deamon executable and description and things work?
1585[12:08:11] <roger21> do i need the init info block
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1587[12:08:15] <roger21> ?
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1589[12:08:41] <roger21> because at this point i'd prefer to do my own commandline script
1590[12:08:48] <jelly> yes you do.
1591[12:09:07] <roger21> why
1592[12:09:13] <roger21> it is not even explained
1593[12:09:21] <roger21> where is the god damn doc
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1595[12:09:37] <jelly> systemd's implementation of init.d compat relies on those
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1606[12:12:47] <roger21> why is systemd-logind take 45% cpu
1607[12:12:59] <roger21> non stop
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1610[12:13:54] <mrjpaxton> Does anyone know why I would have two wpa-supplicant programs running at the same time?
1611[12:14:06] <mrjpaxton> First line: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -O /run/wpa_supplicant
1612[12:14:19] <mrjpaxton> Second: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -s -B -P /run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D nl80211,wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -C /run/wpa_supplicant
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1615[12:15:53] <roger21> 50% non stiop
1616[12:15:57] <roger21> wth
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1619[12:16:31] <mrjpaxton> I know for a fact the second one is supposed spawned from my interfaces file. I have no idea where the first came from. It's not causing any problems, but it's just wierd.
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1622[12:17:00] <bipul> (bipul) I am using linux with mysql. I would like to know where are all important working configuration files and directory? Such that if i take a backup of those files and directory and recover it to other VM 's it should work same it was!
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1626[12:21:14] <bipul> Linux here mean debian
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1671[12:41:47] <jelly> bipul, is it mysql or mariadb?
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1674[12:42:30] <jelly> bipul, do you just care about config, or the database as well?
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1676[12:42:39] <FinalX> bipul: /var/lib/mysql and /etc/mysql by default. make sure you've stopped mysql before copying the files over to have a consistent state, or use the proper backup options.
1677[12:42:48] <jelly> bipul, start with /etc/mysql and /etc/mariadb I guess.
1678[12:42:56] <FinalX> mysql or mariadb (debian stretch has no mysql)
1679[12:43:13] <FinalX> mariadb also uses /etc/mysql .. nothing is different from mysql
1680[12:43:24] <FinalX> or at least, not in that sense
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1711[13:00:59] <bipul> Jelly both
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1714[13:01:40] <bipul> It's mysql
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1716[13:02:14] * bipul stupid smartphone
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1718[13:02:28] <jelly> bipul, which debian release is this? You have a choice whether to do a cold backup of files (/var/lib/mysql) or a proper dumps (you ought to set up daily db dumps anyway), or something better that I don't know of.
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1725[13:05:53] <darxmurf> bipul: have a look for automysqldump
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1729[13:07:00] <FinalX> additionally, you can easily replicate your instance if you switch to mariadb instead
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1752[13:23:57] <bipul> Thank you all
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1754[13:24:30] <bipul> Its cold backup jelly
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1762[13:29:20] <bipul> Jelly it's jessie 8
1763[13:30:06] <dokma> I'm getting a corrupt display on my tmux until I attach to it: replaced-url
1764[13:30:27] <dokma> I supposed the problem is ncurses does not know the size of the display until I attach to tmux.
1765[13:30:38] <dokma> How would I go about fixing this...
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1768[13:31:04] <dokma> This tmux session gets started by a .service on boot and thus no display info is available at that time.
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1786[13:43:52] <Brigo> dokma, maybe you can tell it in a config file.
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1788[13:44:36] <dokma> Brigo: probably... I'm trying to dig up the settings...
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1790[13:45:00] <Lachezar> Hey all. How can I see the 'tree' of dependencies when installing a package, not just the list of missing packages? I'm trying to undestand why 'apt-get install git' would install libx11 on a headless debian!
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1792[13:45:19] <Lachezar> "apt-cache depends git" shows only immediate ones.
1793[13:45:28] <dokma> Lachezar: aptitude is great at navigating those trees
1794[13:45:52] <dokma> You can see deps and reverse deps and navigate through them easily...
1795[13:46:08] <dokma> Which would enable you to answer your question of why x11 for headless.
1796[13:46:12] <boycottg00gle> Lachezar: --recurse
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1799[13:47:27] <Lachezar> boycottg00gle: That is great :), except it dumps *all* dependencies, even those already installed, which is a way too big of a list.
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1802[13:49:07] <dokma> Lachezar: try aptitude
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1804[13:49:39] <dokma> d for deps, r for reverse deps
1805[13:49:55] <dokma> You will drill it down in no time...
1806[13:50:01] <Lachezar> dokma: Depends on the libboost cruft :-/
1807[13:50:11] <dokma> You can remove it later...
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1813[13:55:47] <Lachezar> Aptitude did not help. Apparently though *git* recommends something for X --no-install-recommends fixes my issue.
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1818[13:59:45] <boycottg00gle> Lachezar: maybe gitk -> tk -> tk8.6 -> libx11-6
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1824[14:03:01] <rob_debian> Hi all, please, I'd like to know why this message is displayed in the output list of 'dmesg' command: [ 28.839894] nouveau 0000:08:00.0: bus: MMIO write of 0000001f FAULT at 6013d4 [ IBUS ]
1825[14:03:13] <rob_debian> it's in red status
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1830[14:05:22] <Lachezar> boycottg00gle: I'll be honest: I did not check. The --recurse dumps dependencies on "breaks:" packages which makes looking for specific dependencies a bit too hard.
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1832[14:08:20] <Lachezar> Q: My hardware clock seems to be out of sync with the system time even though ntpd is running. Systemd has disabled HWC synchronisation. What do I use to update the hwc now?
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1842[14:16:30] <dadinn> hi all
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1845[14:17:36] <dadinn> i have been looking for debian 9 standard live image, but cannot find it anywhere... can someone please point me in the right direction?
1846[14:18:12] <dadinn> by standard I mean without X / GUI / window manager
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1852[14:21:38] <Lachezar> dadinn: maybe replaced-url
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1859[14:26:12] <rawruw> do "oscillating" atoms in a heated material cause EM-waves by shaking? Is that how it works, or is light coming from heated materials due to the (de)excitations of the electrons?
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1861[14:27:59] <Lachezar> rawruw: Both, the two processes emit different types of waves. Thermal vibration/oscilation yields wide spectrum infra-red, while electron excitation commonly wields very narow band light from infra-red up to unltra-violet (lasers use that).
1862[14:28:27] <jelly> rawruw, Lachezar: wrong channel, ##physics is over there ->
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1867[14:29:06] <jelly> two hashes.
1868[14:29:27] <rawruw> jelly: you banned me there, remember? For asking "abusing gods name in vein" while asking about the holographic effect
1869[14:29:28] <Lachezar> jelly: #physics ##physics Forwarding to another channel
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1873[14:29:38] <dadinn> Lachezar: before there used to be a standard image to which one could boot into without window managers and X11
1874[14:30:02] <jelly> rawruw, I don't have ops there and am usually not present there at all.
1875[14:30:29] <SwedeMike> rawruw: perhaps asking that question on Quora or similar site would yield better results.
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1877[14:30:37] <Lachezar> dadinn: I don't recall such an image, but I'm not exactly a long-term Debian user. Mostly *Ubuntu variants on servers.
1878[14:30:47] <jelly> rawruw, keep the discussion in here to debian tech please.
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1880[14:31:19] <rawruw> jelly: let me check my log... yeah, this is what I got banned for (copy paste) "What in the non existing gods name does the holographic effect got to do with entropy? The sphere's volume ... ". I then got this "don't abuse g*d's name.. (banned)"
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1882[14:32:02] <jelly> rawruw, I don't care really. Just keep this channel for Debian stuff and avoid discussing unrelated things. This is how topical support channels work.
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1884[14:32:24] <rawruw> jelly: god does not exist
1885[14:32:38] <jelly> dude, just drop it
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1898[14:34:48] <rawruw> Lachezar: with all due respect to topic, thanks for that answer.
1899[14:34:54] <dadinn> Lachezar: so netinst is not a live image, though not sure if the rescue mode might be possible to use for the purpose?
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1903[14:36:21] <Lachezar> dadinn: If I recall correctly it is a live system that boots into memory, and starts installation process, but You *can* escape to a root shell and even install packages in the temporary os (with network set up). IIRC\!
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1905[14:37:15] <jelly> dadinn, you can always Ctrl-Alt-F1 in the default live image to get to the console, can you not? Which functionality do you need?
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1908[14:39:20] <dadinn> jelly: main functionality is not to consume half of my memory in the VM with X11 and gnome
1909[14:39:25] <Meerkat> where do I go to help out with debian?
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1913[14:41:19] <noqnio1> Anyone having problems with bumblebee and latest (57.0.1) firefox hw acceleration? ff output: replaced-url
1914[14:41:25] <dadinn> Lachezar: it seems the netist rescue mode is a PITA because it asks for root filesystem
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1917[14:42:33] <Lachezar> dadinn: Hm. You say VM. Maybe install into the VM, not run a live sort-of-OS? Using netinst?
1918[14:42:40] <dadinn> Lachezar: I am trying to use a live environment for deboostrapping a new machine, therefore i would want to install some packages i need
1919[14:43:00] <dadinn> ZFS in specific, which needs me to compile kernel modules
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1930[14:45:05] <dadinn> Lachezar: can't I want to install a system with ZFS as root, therefore no official image is going to support that... I need an live env, from which i can set up the ZOL kernel modules, and debootstrap the system
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1934[14:46:17] <dadinn> Lachezar: the problem is that the gnome live image just consumes too much memory, i would want an image with no X/gnome
1935[14:46:59] <dadinn> there used to be a live image called standard, but i can't find it anywhere for stretch
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1938[14:48:01] <Lachezar> dadinn: I understand what you're aiming for, but… That's a bit over my head. If you're not running your own hypervisor you might have a good chance to find an existing VM image.
1939[14:48:22] <NetTerminalGene> i want to execute "devilspie" command at boot. how can i do that on gnome shell?
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1941[14:49:33] <dadinn> Lachezar: replaced-url
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1944[14:49:53] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: you want to start that app as a user?
1945[14:49:54] <dadinn> just to prove that the standard image did exist for jessie
1946[14:50:41] <NetTerminalGene> mtn, yes. i tried gnome tweak tool but it doesn't appear there. devilspie is net a gui app
1947[14:50:52] <NetTerminalGene> not*
1948[14:51:22] <NetTerminalGene> when i enter "devilspie" in terminal it works
1949[14:51:28] <dadinn> so my main question is the standard live image discontinued from stretch, and if so, why?
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1951[14:52:10] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: you can add your main menu and create an entry, then it will show up in tweak tool
1952[14:52:18] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: edit your main menu, that is
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1955[14:52:53] <NetTerminalGene> mtn, hmm... let me try
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1961[14:54:24] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: alacarte is the menu editing app
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1965[14:55:11] <Lachezar> dadinn: Seems a bit complicated though: replaced-url
1966[14:55:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1975[14:58:00] <dadinn> Lachezar: lets not worry about the ZFS part, I have that under control, my main question is the why no standard image (without X, only command line)
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1996[15:01:29] <dadinn> Lachezar: my would like a live image from which i can confortably bootstrap a custom system, Archlinux style. Therefore X and window managers i don't want... building kernel modules need the memory instead.
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2007[15:04:38] <dadinn> Lachezar: my main question: why there is no Debian9 standard live image (I only see cinnamon, gnome, kde, lxde, xfce, etc)
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2019[15:06:13] <Lachezar> dadinn: I can see Debian 8 /standard/ replaced-url
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2024[15:06:48] <Lachezar> dadinn: But no such Debian 9
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2028[15:06:58] <n4dir> not sure if i follow correct, but it doesn't reallly matter much which debian-based distro you use to use debootstrap
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2031[15:07:43] <n4dir> and some non-debian-based distros contain the package too
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2040[15:09:13] <NetTerminalGene> mtn, it worked. thanks
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2071[15:17:38] <dadinn> Lachezar: thanks for the link, i will use jessie until then. Do you know if it is planned to have the standard image for stretch too, or if not why it is dropped?
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2086[15:23:27] <soul-d> but you can type init 3 on any live iso i presume ?
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2124[15:32:17] <n4dir> !debian-live
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2126[15:32:17] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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2128[15:32:58] <n4dir> that would be the channel which might answer such questions. To me it doesn't look as if live CD get really much loving in debian.
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2169[15:40:25] <jelly> I've been using grml.org live images for rescue/setup/administration for a while now
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2176[15:41:19] <n4dir> iirc: based on sid, but now so old that it should be for sure old-stable, if not older?
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2180[15:41:25] <jelly> they're testing or sid based, they have zsh and screen by default, they can be told not to touch hardware or load the whole thing in RAM
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2182[15:41:54] <jelly> there was a release this year
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2184[15:42:04] <n4dir> ah, cool. thanks
2185[15:42:27] <n4dir> i had hard times with zsh, but else i liked it.
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2236[15:42:55] <triel> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2251[15:42:57] <OS4M4> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2258[15:43:03] <ky> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2264[15:43:06] <osqrcmkh> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2271[15:43:07] <treggats> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2278[15:43:07] <mutantmonkey> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2288[15:43:07] <mikegrb> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2316[15:43:13] <triel> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2345[15:43:15] <hrilgl> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2353[15:43:15] <Westcliff> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2366[15:43:16] <dqbgerkb> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2378[15:43:17] <jewcdl> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2388[15:43:17] <cwsegfwa> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2400[15:43:19] <svbyuqfv> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2431[15:43:47] <Adam-> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE: fiQmob darxmurf joze volter Tarrasquero naos62 rootkea cujotus HurricaneHarry tolecnal Mikail xingu Typhon Cueball thecliguy Baudelaire oberling vaidy DerLGm CowboyNeal zack6849 jssjr MrGeneral mf|cloud akxwi-dave jmesker AlexZ_ lat jhebden piklu Eryn_1983_FL cvr finlstrm Canucktux ihre xtore SolarAquarion simp platicus2 Spitfire nathani ski7777 phogg keith4 mnuhmnuh moonlight7[m] debhelper gby Attoy tensorpudding AJ_Z0 Neobi
2432[15:43:47] <Adam-> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE: zerocool c0ncealed N3X15 jackNemrod JackFrost gusnan ron-slc Aristide volodim m4dh4tt4 kwmiebach xSmurf Frikilinux chaology snkcld Zorroness_ xcm tadz spooky mdorenka APLU leibniz mf|cloud Satou NetTerminalGene AeroNotix yagi codebam_ tobiw fundies cyboman33 JohnDoe2 Arrowmaster luneff raidsec mrBen2 Drag mzf riex platicus2 kini sasukeskapa Zardoz t0aster0ven noahfx v01t Guest87912 TmvC clickjack Raed Velgor Lazuruz Eryn_1983
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2435[15:43:48] <velope> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2441[15:43:48] <albin> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2449[15:43:50] <zmrum> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2456[15:43:51] <ihon> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2457[15:43:51] <ihon> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2463[15:43:51] <gwyftjm> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2464[15:43:52] <gwyftjm> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2470[15:43:52] <hqcfaago> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2478[15:44:00] <sakqy> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2485[15:44:00] <kybyai> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2486[15:44:00] <kybyai> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2487[15:44:00] <kybyai> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2492[15:44:00] <xx2> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2493[15:44:00] <xx2> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2494[15:44:00] <xx2> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2495[15:44:00] <xx2> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2499[15:44:00] <chriS36[m]> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2500[15:44:00] <chriS36[m]> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2501[15:44:00] <chriS36[m]> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2502[15:44:00] <chriS36[m]> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2507[15:44:01] <tonyoy> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2509[15:44:01] <tonyoy> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2513[15:44:01] <catalyst> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2514[15:44:01] <catalyst> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2515[15:44:01] <catalyst> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2516[15:44:01] <catalyst> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2521[15:44:02] <xiatg> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2523[15:44:02] <xiatg> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
2524[15:44:02] <xiatg> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2532[15:44:05] <fnonxk> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2534[15:44:05] <fnonxk> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2542[15:44:21] <n4dir> refracta comes with lots of pre-installed commandline commands (urgh), but now without systemd (not sure if it would matter as far a live-rescue CD is concerned)
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2553[15:44:37] <mngrasak> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2557[15:44:37] <mngrasak> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2564[15:44:37] <kwofgcz> #DEBIAN IS NOW A NIGGA FREE ZONE:
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2592[15:46:39] <jelly> if you're not registered and identified with freenode services you'll be unable to write in here for now. Sorry. Ask the bots how to REGISTER, and IDENTIFY with your irc client in the future: /msg NickServ help register
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2599[15:47:45] <jelly> n4dir, zsh isn't bad, but the live image defaults to vi key bindings instead of the more usual emacs key bindings. to fix, bindkey -e
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2786[16:21:30] <yogg> hi
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2788[16:22:04] <yogg> I try to create an debian 9 iso with an presedd.cfg and found this: replaced-url
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2795[16:23:37] <yogg> This does but there is a second way to modify the initrd file which looks interesting
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2801[16:24:50] <yogg> "echo "preseed.cfg" | cpio -o -H newc -A -F cd/install.amd/initrd" Is this maybe a type and there shoult be a "cat" and not an "echo"?
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2806[16:25:17] <yogg> "echo "preseed.cfg" | cpio -o -H newc -A -F cd/install.amd/initrd" Is this maybe a typo and there shoult be a "cat" and not an "echo"?
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2813[16:27:43] <jelly> yogg, from the manual: > When creating an archive, cpio takes the list of files to be processed from the standard input
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2815[16:28:05] <jelly> yogg, replaced-url
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2817[16:28:07] <yogg> @jelly thx
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2827[16:30:01] <jelly> I didn't just RTFM because I couldn't find a FM on my system. "info cpio" just shows the short man page again, and the man page isn't it
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2900[16:50:42] <NetTerminalGene> i wonder if gnome users here uses any extension
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2902[16:51:23] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: most likely they do. why do you ask?
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2907[16:51:59] <NetTerminalGene> i wonder if vanilla gnome is enough for them
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2910[16:52:31] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: it is for some and for some it is not. up to you how you use your machine
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2915[16:53:17] <ioricloud> hey guys
2916[16:53:26] <NetTerminalGene> hi
2917[16:53:41] <ioricloud> hi NetTerminalGene
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2922[16:54:47] <ioricloud> NetTerminalGene: I have problem about instalation in ssd disk
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2924[16:54:55] <ioricloud> after install
2925[16:55:05] <ioricloud> just happen grub rescue
2926[16:55:07] <NetTerminalGene> ioricloud, what is it?
2927[16:55:09] <mtn> !ask
2928[16:55:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2929[16:55:20] <mtn> ioricloud: give details
2930[16:55:20] <ioricloud> read and write in disk hd0
2931[16:55:37] <ioricloud> install debian 9 in ssd disk
2932[16:55:41] <ioricloud> install normal
2933[16:55:47] <ioricloud> after install
2934[16:55:58] <mtn> ioricloud: Please write in complete sentences so it is easier to read. Thank you.
2935[16:56:01] <ioricloud> reboot
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2937[16:56:10] <ioricloud> ok
2938[16:56:11] <mtn> ioricloud: quit hitting the enter key
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2945[16:57:21] <NetTerminalGene> ioricloud, grub doesn't come?
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2951[16:58:34] <ioricloud> NetTerminalGene: just grub rescue and message error this it: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'
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2953[16:59:22] <NetTerminalGene> i am not sure but you maybe installed the grub to your usb drive
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2968[17:01:14] <ioricloud> NetTerminalGene: no, I choose ssd disk
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2981[17:07:03] <mtn> ioricloud: did you set up your own partitions or did you let the installer do it?
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2986[17:08:01] <ioricloud> mtn: I created manually
2987[17:08:22] <mtn> ioricloud: is debian the only os on the hard drive?
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2989[17:08:35] <ioricloud> mtn: yes
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2991[17:08:47] <mtn> ioricloud: reinstall and let the installer make the partitions
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2994[17:09:44] <ioricloud> mtn: I did this with linux mint
2995[17:09:55] <mtn> ioricloud: what?!
2996[17:09:59] <mtn> !mint
2997[17:09:59] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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2999[17:10:18] <ioricloud> I will install with debian again
3000[17:10:31] <NetTerminalGene> lol
3001[17:10:33] <mtn> ioricloud: let the installer make the partitions
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3005[17:11:56] <ioricloud> ok
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3018[17:15:31] <NetTerminalGene> ioricloud, did you create encrypted disk, did you create separate boot partition?
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3022[17:16:48] <ioricloud> NetTerminalGene: I didnt
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3025[17:17:16] <ioricloud> just leave installer make only
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3052[17:24:59] <jhutchins> ioricloud: replaced-url
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3061[17:26:22] <ioricloud> I knew that my english is very bad, but, without translator, I practice more
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3127[17:47:38] <user_____> raspbian stretch clears browser cache from RAM on exit which again reads from sdcard wen opened 2nd time. how to keep cache in RAM itself?
3128[17:47:52] <greycat> !raspbian
3129[17:47:52] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
3130[17:48:01] <oo_miguel> I have a nvidia card with 3 monitors connected and one additional display attached directly to my onboard video output. it works fine under another operating system (after i configured the bios to use the onboard graphics as well) but I wonder how to configure this in linux? Any suggestions?
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3132[17:48:57] <user_____> i know its debian channel but it wud b helpful if anyone knows abt it
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3134[17:50:04] <tw> oo_miguel: does it autodetect at all under xrandr?
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3138[17:51:07] <oo_miguel> tw: grep " connected" shows only the 3 monitors attached to my nvidia card
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3140[17:51:31] <tw> Less that than it shows a port with the gfx card.
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3142[17:52:01] <oo_miguel> tw: replaced-url
3143[17:52:02] <NullableK> Is your onboard a different GPU I'm assuming? I had issues with my eGPU and sharing the session between the two
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3145[17:52:24] <oo_miguel> NullableK: yes. the onboard is intel while the other one is nvidia
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3151[17:53:13] <oo_miguel> the onboard HDMI port does not show up in xrandr at all :(
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3154[17:54:26] <tw> if it has detected the card, you don't need to manually configure x11, but if it hasn't you may need to add a section to load the intel x11 driver. It's been a while since I've had to do that though.
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3158[17:54:47] <tw> it doesn't look like it has detected the card. You can check in your Xorg.0.log to verify it.
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3160[17:55:09] <oo_miguel> Kernel driver in use: i915
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3164[17:55:26] <oo_miguel> i see that in lspci -v for the Intel Display controller
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3166[17:55:42] <tw> That's good. Now make sure the xorg driver gets loaded as well.
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3168[17:55:56] <tw> Two drivers, it's x11. Yay.
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3172[17:57:26] <oo_miguel> I generated my xorg.conf via nvidia-settings. it does not mention any drivers beside "nvidia"
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3176[17:58:17] <oo_miguel> I did this BEFORE attaching the onboard monitor
3177[17:58:27] <oo_miguel> maybe I can delete my xorg.conf completely?
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3179[17:58:42] <tw> or just save it off somewhere and revert it if you want to go back.
3180[17:59:06] <oo_miguel> allright, Ill try this and play around with the xorg. will be offline for a while (since I will restart X)
3181[17:59:17] <oo_miguel> I assume the driver I need is simply : "intel" ?
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3286[18:29:41] <zUriel> Anyone knows why removing firefox (apt-get-remove firefox-esr) installs thunderbird ?
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3294[18:31:18] <petn-randall> !bat
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3296[18:31:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3297[18:31:33] <petn-randall> zUriel: Can you provide the info of above in a single paste?
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3307[18:36:42] <zUriel> petn-randall: no copy/paste possible (not network). I had "dpkg: firefox-esr: dependency problem" message due to a "xul-ext-mozvoikko" dependency on firefox and thunderbird. So by the end firefox was removed without further installations...
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3309[18:36:59] <zUriel> petn-randall: sorry not being able to provide more info.
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3353[18:52:55] <petn-randall> zUriel: That package depends on firefox or thunderbird to work. So if you remove firefox and want to keep xul-ext-mozvoikko, it needs to install thunderbird. Or you can simply remove that package, too.
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3362[18:57:39] <zUriel> petn-randall: thanks. Removed it as well. Sorry for the trivial question, at first it looked weird...
3363[18:58:12] <petn-randall> zUriel: No worries, we're here to help. Glad I could solve your problem!
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3371[19:02:00] <marsokod> Hi, I have a machine whose hostname is <domain> and I am trying to configure dhclient.conf so that it reaches a backup server at <backup.domain> on a different (dynamic) IP address.
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3373[19:02:11] <marsokod> When I do a nslookup on <backup.domain>, it gives me the local server IP address, though if I force the nslookup to go through 8.8.8.8 I get correctly the backup server IP address. Is dhclient.conf the correct utility to use for that?
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3378[19:04:36] <greycat> I don't understand any part of this question. What are you trying to do? How many computers are involved? How is DHCP related to any of it?
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3381[19:07:37] <zUriel> What would be the correct process to have a minimal 9.3 install (server-like, nothing graphical/X needed) ? Didn't find this in the installer (mini.iso) on my first attempt...
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3384[19:08:30] <greycat> grab the netinst, write it to whatever you can boot from. boot the installer. partition the disk, etc. at the end, when it asks you to select tasks, UNSELECT the desktop stuff.
3385[19:08:53] <Strogg> 'lo 'lo again!
3386[19:09:30] <zUriel> greycat: thanks, will try the netinst and double-check this
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3389[19:10:24] <petn-randall> marsokod: dhclient is a tool to retrieve IP configuration for the local machine via DHCP. I don't know how this would be related to your problem.
3390[19:10:59] <Strogg> so.. I've been following replaced-url
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3392[19:12:54] <petn-randall> Strogg: If in doubt, just remove and reinstall it again. (Or send the Macron ;)
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3395[19:13:21] <Strogg> hrmm.. I would have figured acpid would be sorta core. /me tries
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3397[19:14:00] <Strogg> hrmmm same result. hrmm
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3402[19:15:16] <marsokod> I have only 2 computers, the one with the domain, doing the dns lookup locally (/etc/resolv.conf is set to nameserver 127.0.0.1). The other computer is in a different location, and I configured the DNS records to point backup.domain towards this second computer.
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3406[19:16:05] <greycat> Are these two computers able to speak to each other freely?
3407[19:16:33] <marsokod> if I use the IP addresses directly, yes.
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3411[19:17:44] <jim> does the other computer use the first computer as its dns server?
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3413[19:18:37] <marsokod> not at all. It is a raspberry pi with DHCP. behind a router with NAT rules
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3416[19:19:10] <greycat> So you are trying to resolve the hostname backup.my.domain from two different computers and getting two different answers? Is that the issue?
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3418[19:19:39] <jim> or, one answer being "nxdomain"?
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3422[19:20:48] <marsokod> yes. I can connect from my laptop or from my phone to backup.my.domain without any issue. I only have issues when the debian machine whose hostname is my.domain
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3426[19:21:44] <greycat> The computer that gives the wrong answer is the one running its own DNS server with 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf? Did you define backup.my.domain *INSIDE* your DNS server? Review your DNS zone configs and see.
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3428[19:22:26] <jgcampbell300> so i cant get ifconfig to work any more ifup/ifdown isnt changing address does not seem to matter what i put in /etc/network/interfaces and have kill networkmanager ... can someone point me to the propper tool to use to change to static ip please
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3430[19:22:50] <greycat> configure /etc/network/interfaces correctly, and NM will leave that interface alone
3431[19:23:08] <jgcampbell300> greycat: ok ill give it another try
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3434[19:23:30] <zeryx> what does LD_PRELOAD actually do? What does it interact with?
3435[19:23:35] <greycat> man ld.so
3436[19:23:39] <oo_miguel> I am struggling with my xorg setup.. trying to use onboard intel and my nvidia card but the 2nd screen does not sho up at all it seems
3437[19:23:45] <oo_miguel> replaced-url
3438[19:23:56] <zeryx> greycat, I like how fast that was
3439[19:24:06] <oo_miguel> anyone can hava a look at my xorg (pastebin link above)
3440[19:24:06] <oo_miguel> ?
3441[19:24:34] <marsokod> OK, I will have a look. I installed yunohost on the main machine and I am not sure what dns server it is using. bind9 is not installed.
3442[19:24:43] <oo_miguel> the monitor shows up in Xorg.0.log
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3444[19:27:02] <zeryx> greycat, is there a way to "LD_PRELOAD" without needing to refresh paths in the application you're using?
3445[19:27:21] <greycat> ... huh?
3446[19:27:31] <zeryx> say I've got a python script and I don't have sudo or direct shell access, and I need to change the path a module is looking for a .so file with
3447[19:27:45] <greycat> That's LD_LIBRARY_PATH not LD_PRELOAD.
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3449[19:27:58] <zeryx> is the only solution here (besides recompiling which I've tried, it's spaghetti) is to shell out and call a new python instance?
3450[19:28:17] <zeryx> anaconda (which I'm using) checks it's own /lib before LD_LIBRARY_PATH unfortunately
3451[19:28:28] <greycat> LD_PRELOAD is "I want to override all the date and time functions in this program I'm about to run, because it is license-locked based on the system time and I want it to think it's still 2013."
3452[19:28:31] <zeryx> which is why LD_PRELOAD works, but LD_LIBRARY_PATH or other env vars doesn't
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3454[19:28:39] <zeryx> yup that's how my life is right now yea
3455[19:28:48] <zeryx> I hate everything :D
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3459[19:29:00] <zeryx> why are we even using anaconda? enterprise support!
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3462[19:29:21] <zeryx> but unfortunately complaining doesn't solve my problem :(
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3464[19:29:34] <zeryx> is shelling out here the only solution you think?
3465[19:29:48] <greycat> I can think of a better solution, but you won't want to hear it.
3466[19:29:59] <zeryx> don't use anaconda? Recompile? Find a new job?
3467[19:30:04] <greycat> The first one, yeah.
3468[19:30:07] <zeryx> oh yea
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3470[19:30:09] <zeryx> I asked
3471[19:30:20] <zeryx> even though enterprise users would _never_ interact with it
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3473[19:30:31] <greycat> But if recompiling anaconda to work around your issue is on the table, then that sounds acceptable.
3474[19:30:34] <zeryx> the fact that we have "anaconda support" is a checkbox that they want to have checked
3475[19:30:55] <zeryx> oh sorry, sudo access is not available here
3476[19:31:03] <zeryx> and the anaconda installation requires sudo to interact with
3477[19:31:30] <zeryx> replaced-url
3478[19:31:31] <zeryx> literally this
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3481[19:32:27] <jgcampbell300> i must be missing something ... interfaces are setup right but no change in ip address still stuck on dhpc
3482[19:32:27] <zeryx> so shelling out, `export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64/libgfortran.so.3`, and executing a python subprocess - is there another quick hack alternative to this that you can think of?
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3484[19:33:01] <zeryx> is it possible to hide a file from an internal lookup without sudo?
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3488[19:33:13] <zeryx> if it's in a directory that requires sudo
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3493[19:33:44] <jhutchins> zeryx: It sounds very much like you are trying to do things that require root privileges, but you do not have acces to that. Perhaps you need to ask for access, or perhaps you are following the wrong path to begin with.
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3502[19:34:54] <zeryx> unfortunately it's neither of those things, or at least I could do that but it's significantly more work in our current environment
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3505[19:35:14] <zeryx> I'm trying to give as much information as I can without bogging you down with intricate platform specific details
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3507[19:35:49] <zeryx> we could fix this by just changing the docker container that's running it, but that's more painful right now than shelling out and calling LD_PRELOAD
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3510[19:36:04] <zeryx> there is a solution on the way, but we need something right now that works until we get there
3511[19:36:16] <zeryx> something that works that doesn't make me want to vomit up in my mouth*
3512[19:36:19] <zeryx> would be ideal*
3513[19:36:45] <jgcampbell300> is there a way to remove dhcp client all togahter from debian ?
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3516[19:37:51] <greycat> Sure. Just remove the package.
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3523[19:39:31] <zeryx> gah I'll just bite the bullet and shell out, while keeping my old version in another branch that I'll hopefully be able to revert to in the future
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3596[20:09:33] <jasabella> hi
3597[20:10:09] <jasabella> has anyone ever set up pulseaudio/bluetooth/ofono to have hfp/hsp working?
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3602[20:12:42] <jhutchins> !info ofono
3603[20:12:50] <dpkg> ofono: (Mobile telephony stack (daemon)), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.21-1 (sid), Packaged size: 663 kB, Installed size: 2316 kB
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3618[20:20:13] <phinxy> On Debian stable with backports jessie, Is there a way to aptitude install Python 3.6?
3619[20:20:21] <phinxy> Currently 3.5 is installed
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3625[20:21:28] <greycat> why would you want bleeding-edge python on an oldstable release?
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3631[20:24:24] <phinxy> greycat• Isnt Python isolated from the distribution or could there theoretically be conflicts causing the system to go haywire?
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3633[20:25:13] <phinxy> nvm Python could have access to a lot of stuff
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3653[20:31:12] <KR1PT0N> Hello! How to transfer files use hexchat?
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3655[20:31:41] <Strogg> I'm trying to start my window manager, and it's saying that xauth is failing because /var/run/slim.auth doesn't exist. but the file is there. anyone know what might be wrong?
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3657[20:32:08] * Strogg is running slim, on debian testing. (after doing a cross-install from i386 to amd64)
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3659[20:32:21] <Strogg> I think this is my last roadblock.. everything else seems to be ok
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3661[20:33:12] <petn-randall> Strogg: Can whatever process access it via the permissions on the socket and the directories above it?
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3666[20:34:06] <Strogg> hrmmm don't the login managers run as root? I've been starting it as root, atleast
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3669[20:35:16] <Strogg> I can cat the file as root, and see the contents.. it's got something about an MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE.. heh
3670[20:36:08] <m712> hi, for some reason my debian box sometimes is unresponsive on the ssh port. it happens randomly and for a few minutes. should I ask the VPS provider, or is this a known issue? I'm on stable rolling release.
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3672[20:36:32] <m712> other ports work fine during this event
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3678[20:39:02] <videocall> i am running debian 9 on an old 32bit centrino laptop whose wireless interface is Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02). Whenever I download big files, torrents for instance, my connection drops in less than 2 minutes, i do get reconnected but then in less than 2 minutes i get disconnected again. what gives?
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3689[20:42:15] <Strogg> aha.. ok, so it is a socket thing.. hrmmm
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3698[20:47:34] <jhutchins> Strogg: How did you get here? What release? How did you install Debian? How did you install X?
3699[20:48:09] <sade_> where or how do i get 8.10 iso
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3701[20:48:35] <jhutchins> videocall: Welcome to wifi. dmesg probably shows the ostensible reason for the disconnect. It could be signal strength, it could be location, interference, or a poor quality WAP.
3702[20:48:54] <dvs> sade_, replaced-url
3703[20:50:11] <videocall> poor quality WAP? what does that mean?
3704[20:50:26] <dvs> the router sucks!
3705[20:50:30] <jhutchins> Wireles Access Point. Can't handle the throughput.
3706[20:50:40] <greycat> sade_: Last time someone asked this, I eventually found a link to the jessie ISOs page from the jessie installation guide.
3707[20:50:57] <greycat> I could NOT find the jessie ISOs page from any other direction.
3708[20:51:25] <jhutchins> videocall: Your ISP could be killing torrent too.
3709[20:51:29] <videocall> jhutchins, you mean the router could be the culprit? it is certainly an old router
3710[20:51:51] <jhutchins> videocall: Yes. You could try throttling back a bit and see if that helps.
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3716[20:55:51] <cef> videocall: you need to gather stats on your connection. look for other wifi networks on your routers channel, what the card thinks of background noise, etc.
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3718[20:56:06] <videocall> what do you mean by throttling back a bit?
3719[20:56:29] <cef> videocall: try running 'wavemon' in a shell when you get this behaviour and see what it shows.
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3721[20:56:46] <videocall> cef, what command do i use to gather the stats you mention?
3722[20:57:14] <Strogg> jhutchins: I was running debian testing i686 without realizing it, and I followed the guide for cross-installing and switched over to amd64. I got most everything working, except something about X.
3723[20:57:44] <Strogg> it looks like something is failing to connect to X...
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3725[20:57:58] <cef> videocall: I'd try 'wavemon' (pkg has same name). basic but it'll give you most of what you need. look at the history graph
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3729[20:58:50] <cef> videocall: also do you have the intel binary iwl firmware installed?
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3732[20:59:29] <Strogg> man.. I really miss the old logging system. it's such a pain reading system logs now
3733[20:59:30] <jhutchins> videocall: Most torrent clients have settings to limit inbound and outbound speed and number of connections.
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3737[21:00:20] <jhutchins> Strogg: cross-grading fails about 90% of the time.
3738[21:00:41] <Strogg> jhutchins: that's ok.. I didn't expect it to be flawless
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3741[21:01:03] <videocall> jhutchins, ok, will limit inbound and outbound speed first. thanks
3742[21:01:03] * Strogg reinstalls some X stuff
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3745[21:02:08] <jhutchins> You could try removing as much of X as you can and then using tasksel to install the Desktop Environment and whatever WMs you want.
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3749[21:02:44] <jhutchins> videocall: Mind you this is about as scientific as "wiggle the wires".
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3780[21:12:05] <lucas_> hey guys
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3782[21:12:12] <lucas_> im having problems with my wifi card
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3787[21:12:46] <jhutchins> lucas_: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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3795[21:15:42] <timofonic> Hello
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3798[21:18:07] <lucas_> well
3799[21:18:14] <lucas_> from the live cd i can connect to the wifi
3800[21:18:20] <lucas_> live cd nonfree
3801[21:18:27] <lucas_> and after i installed it
3802[21:18:30] <lucas_> i cant
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3804[21:18:37] <lucas_> ive installed firmware-linux
3805[21:18:41] <lucas_> and still cant
3806[21:18:57] <lucas_> im using a usb wifi card now since my main wifi card on this computer is not working
3807[21:19:09] <GNU\colossus> lucas_, what wifi adapter do you have?
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3809[21:20:10] <lucas_> Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n or Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
3810[21:20:16] <lucas_> i cant get which one it is
3811[21:20:46] <GNU\colossus> iirc, the atheros USB stuff requires firmware that you'll find in a specific package on Debian...
3812[21:20:51] <GNU\colossus> let me check
3813[21:20:54] <lucas_> but its not logic that from the live cd it works
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3815[21:21:09] <GNU\colossus> ,v firmware-atheros
3816[21:21:12] <judd> Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
3817[21:21:12] <lucas_> and after installed system its not
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3819[21:21:34] <GNU\colossus> that's the package that you need to install, I believe
3820[21:22:04] <lucas_> firmmware atheros already installed
3821[21:22:08] <GNU\colossus> (it's non-free, but what can you do)
3822[21:22:15] <GNU\colossus> hm, then your adapter should already work
3823[21:22:16] <timofonic> Anyone knows a better document/program to look for Linux kernel boot parameters? Linux kernel official /Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt lacks details (go to read XX for more information everywhere) and a proper structure to locate them easily. It may make sense to programmers and a parser (the document seems somewhat generated from my POV), but not to average users that need to fight with bad
3824[21:22:18] <timofonic> hardware and specially laptops (ACPI with a very broken ACPI table I want to dumb and decompile and show somewhere, Optimus, Nvidia proprietary (but the only usable, Nouveau project lacks funding and official support... but Nvidia is like ImgTec and other IP greedy ones) drivers, debugging quirks...) :P
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3830[21:25:18] <GNU\colossus> lucas_, how exactly does the "I cannot connect to the wifi"-problem exhibit itself? what are you trying to do, and what happens instead of what you'd planned for?
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3835[21:26:51] <lucas_> GNU\colossus, well, i cant see wifi networks in the kde networkmanager
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3842[21:27:36] <lucas_> i can see wlp2s0
3843[21:27:52] <lucas_> but in the kde network manager they dont appear!
3844[21:28:18] <GNU\colossus> lucas_, maybe your /etc/network/interfaces is set up in a way that prevents your interface from being picked up by nm
3845[21:28:50] <lucas_> auto lo
3846[21:28:51] <lucas_> iface lo inet loopback
3847[21:28:58] <lucas_> thats all it says
3848[21:29:20] <GNU\colossus> lucas_, maybe you can use `nmtui` on your shell with more success?
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3859[21:33:30] <phogg> lucas_: is wpa_supplicant running? Can you connect to it via wpa_cli?
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3861[21:34:14] <ralpheeee> whats the best way to have the following set up...? would like to have debian stable as my base and then install packages from unstable?
3862[21:34:23] <greycat> !frankendebian
3863[21:34:24] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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3866[21:34:44] <greycat> Use backports as needed, or build things from source.
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3869[21:36:04] <ralpheeee> looking to go for a minimalist set up ie debiam base and dwm or i3 ...
3870[21:36:05] <phogg> ralpheeee: As a general rule of thumb you should only mix in packages from unstable if you are a Debian developer or are otherwise helping prepare future releases of Debian.
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3872[21:36:33] <ralpheeee> phogg: yeah that makes sense...
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3876[21:37:46] <ralpheeee> greycat dpkg i fully understand....
3877[21:38:57] <videocall> the 32 bit GNU Ring version that is installed on your debian 9 computer if you follow the instructions on replaced-url
3878[21:39:08] <lucas_> phogg, how to check that?
3879[21:39:48] <phogg> lucas_: ps -C wpa_supplicant, or just run wpa_cli and see if it yells at you
3880[21:40:08] <jhutchins> videocall: No.
3881[21:40:20] <lucas_> PID TTY TIME CMD
3882[21:40:21] <lucas_> 450 ? 00:00:00 wpa_supplicant
3883[21:40:29] <lucas_> apparently not?
3884[21:40:30] <phogg> lucas_: so it's running
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3886[21:40:36] <jhutchins> videocall: Debian packages are tested for bugs and security vulnerabilities.
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3888[21:41:21] <videocall> jhutchins, so the ring backports version is the best one you can get?
3889[21:41:36] <videocall> for 32 bit computers, that is
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3891[21:42:12] <lucas_> phogg, no ideas then?
3892[21:42:36] <jhutchins> timofonic: replaced-url
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3899[21:44:01] <Edu4rdSHL> lucas_, replaced-url
3900[21:44:12] <lucas_> hablo español
3901[21:44:23] <lucas_> but still
3902[21:44:50] <lucas_> i dont understand why in the world if all is setup kde wont see my wifi networks or whatever!
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3905[21:45:13] <jhutchins> !info ring
3906[21:45:20] <dpkg> ring: (Secure and distributed voice, video and chat platform - desktop client), section comm, is optional. Version: 20171129.2.cf5bbff~ds1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1555 kB, Installed size: 6600 kB
3907[21:45:39] <lucas_> how can i check if the interface can see wifi networks?
3908[21:45:46] <lucas_> t might be some kde bug
3909[21:46:10] <lucas_> i want to see what wlp2s0 can see
3910[21:46:20] <lucas_> i want to look through wlp2s0
3911[21:46:21] <lucas_> lol
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3914[21:46:39] <jhutchins> iwlist scanning wlp2s0
3915[21:47:33] <Edu4rdSHL> Or iw dev wlp2s0 scan
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3918[21:48:35] <jhutchins> lucas_: lspci -nn will give you an id number we can check.
3919[21:48:41] <jhutchins> !atheros
3920[21:48:41] <dpkg> Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath9k>, <ath5k>. For USB wireless LAN device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1c>, <alx>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. replaced-url
3921[21:48:45] <lucas_> wlp2s0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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3923[21:49:27] <Averlon> ifconfig wlp2s0 up ?
3924[21:49:29] <jhutchins> lucas_: Sounds like driver or firmware isn't loaded. dmesg | less will let you scan through kernel messages.
3925[21:49:33] <Edu4rdSHL> lucas_, ip link set wlp2s0 up
3926[21:49:41] <videocall> jhutchins, that ring version is for sid. i am running stretch and do not want to render my system unstable by installing sid packages. Therefore, am i right when i say the ring backports version(20170803.2.5fcfe3f~dfsg1-1~bpo9+1) is the safest one you can get?
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3928[21:50:08] <lucas_> RTNETLINK answers: Input/output error
3929[21:50:10] <Edu4rdSHL> videocall, has you tried riot.im?
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3931[21:50:25] <Edu4rdSHL> lucas_, check your rfkill list.
3932[21:50:36] <jhutchins> videocall: Not quite as safe as the one in stable, but pretty good. Packages in backports aren't quite as widely tested against all possible software combinations.
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3937[21:52:16] <jhutchins> lucas_: Or you could backport the version in sid, knowing that it's not well enough tested to make it to testing yet.
3938[21:52:32] <jhutchins> !ssb
3939[21:52:33] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
3940[21:52:50] <DerLGm> !help
3941[21:53:17] <jhutchins> DerLGm: What with?
3942[21:53:28] <lucas_> firmware-iwlwifi
3943[21:53:30] <lucas_> this package??
3944[21:53:34] <DerLGm> jhutchins: learning the bot
3945[21:54:18] <lucas_> but wifi was working in live cd mode
3946[21:54:33] <lucas_> its wasnt working during installation or after installation
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3950[21:56:00] <jhutchins> dpkgbot
3951[21:56:06] <jhutchins> ! dpkgbot
3952[21:56:06] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
3953[21:56:44] <videocall> the GNU Ring version in stable is over a year old and lacks very important functionality. With the one in stable you can only text message people running later versions but you can not call them let alone videocall them. GNU Ring is meant to be a Skype replacement not as a mere text chat app. Therefore, the GNU Ring version in stable is basically useless
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3955[21:57:41] <jhutchins> videocall: They have been promising video calling in Linux chat packages "real soon now" for more than a decade.
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3957[21:58:03] <jhutchins> videocall: The only one I've ever seen actually work was when skype was packaged for linux.
3958[21:58:41] <jhutchins> videocall: Your options are to try backports or to do an ssb and build from sid.
3959[21:58:41] <preaction> but also, that's how stable works
3960[21:58:54] <babilen> Jitsi is rather great these days
3961[21:59:04] <babilen> dpkg: jitsi
3962[21:59:04] <dpkg> Jitsi (formerly SIP Communicator) is a cross platform voice (VoIP), video conferencing and instant messaging application. It supports the <SIP> and <XMPP> protocols, along with support for other instant messaging services (e.g. AIM, ICQ, Yahoo). Packaged for Debian <unstable>. replaced-url
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3986[22:07:52] <timofonic> jhutchins: I'm reading both. First is too introductory, second is too scarce at comments and too much "look at XX document for more details" :/
3987[22:08:08] <timofonic> jhutchins: Maybe it's easy for you, but too messy for me :(
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3991[22:09:20] <timofonic> videocall: Why rolling releases are less stable than "stable" ones? I see that as a myth most of the time, specially these days with CI and tons of testing ways and static code analysis, etc :P
3992[22:09:38] <timofonic> The world moves forward all time, nothing is stable...
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3995[22:11:32] <timofonic> videocall: I find "stable" releases more clumsy, less supported hardware, outdated software prone to more security bugs... and in some cases I solved bugs by swithing to latest code, sometimes dev branchs (ffmpeg, for example)
3996[22:11:45] <greycat> timofonic: this is #debian. Arch Linux is ==> #archlinux
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3998[22:12:40] <wr> how much ram debian uses with no DE + WM just core?
3999[22:12:54] <greycat> Doing what?
4000[22:13:26] <greycat> Logged in on a single text console in bash doing nothing? Running fvwm with one rxvt open but doing nothing? Running a web browser?
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4003[22:14:04] <wr> greycat, as a normal OS as soon as finished install
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4005[22:14:12] <greycat> Oh, you did say no WM so I guess fvwm is not allowed. Are you running an X session with just a web browser as the sole program, no WM?
4006[22:14:31] <wr> greycat, just like core debian
4007[22:14:36] <greycat> Are you possibly actually asking how much DISK SPACE, not how much RAM?
4008[22:14:50] <timofonic> greycat: I'm aware of it. But I didn't specify Arch Linux. I use Debian too, but in a "rolling release" way :P
4009[22:15:05] <wr> greycat, no, ram usage to be up
4010[22:15:16] <greycat> Well, that's bloody hard to measure without logging in!
4011[22:15:35] <wr> greycat, here goes another install
4012[22:15:46] <greycat> I say: go install it and find out for yourself. Would be just as much work for one of *us* to do that for you.
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4015[22:16:09] <greycat> Also sounds like a stupidly useless number.
4016[22:16:46] <wr> greycat, i read here ir around 20mb
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4039[22:28:54] <wr> greycat, minimal debian 20mb ram usage?
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4043[22:31:07] <lucas_> rt2800pci thats causing the problem checking if removing firmware-misc solves the issue
4044[22:31:10] <lucas_> brb
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4116[22:52:57] <jhutchins> wr: Debian willl use all your ram, that's what ram is for.
4117[22:53:21] <greycat> ... eventually. unless you reboot first.
4118[22:53:28] <greycat> or unless you don't have a file system.
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4143[23:00:46] <greycat> `...` strips all trailing newlines, not that there were any to begin with.
4144[23:00:52] <greycat> ... Mischannel
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4146[23:02:10] <joze> ...
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4150[23:03:07] <jhutchins> !tell wr about ig
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4152[23:03:29] <lucas_> me again
4153[23:03:36] <jhutchins> dpkg: tell wr about ig
4154[23:03:37] <dvs> oh no
4155[23:03:41] <wr> jhutchins, you didnt get the point, i know it uses, but wanna see how much is
4156[23:03:41] <lucas_> how can i upgrade only 1 packge from backports
4157[23:04:07] <jhutchins> !install guide
4158[23:04:08] <dpkg> i heard stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
4159[23:04:19] <lucas_> im trying to do
4160[23:04:24] <jhutchins> wr: There's a section there on system requirements.
4161[23:04:33] <lucas_> sudo apt -t stretch-backports install firmware-iwsomething
4162[23:04:37] <wr> jhutchins, ok
4163[23:04:53] <lucas_> sudo apt -t stretch-backports upgrade firmware-iwsomething
4164[23:04:56] <lucas_> didnt work either
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4166[23:05:07] <lucas_> i just can do upgrade or dist-upgrade
4167[23:05:12] <lucas_> dont want all in
4168[23:05:16] <jhutchins> wr: For RAM I think you want at least 128M, possibly 256.
4169[23:05:20] <lucas_> just one single package
4170[23:05:42] <jhutchins> wr: I ran a full desktop in 512M couple of years ago.
4171[23:05:43] <greycat> minimum RAM was 64 MB for wheezy, more for jessie/stretch but I forget the values
4172[23:06:28] <jhutchins> Disk space can be about 20G or less.
4173[23:06:32] <videocall> jhutchins, a GNU Ring developer has just informed that 32 bit nightly packages for Debian are "missing" from replaced-url
4174[23:06:49] <dvs> lucas_, What do you mean "doesn't work"? What did it say?
4175[23:07:02] <videocall> jhutchins, how come no Debian 9 user noticed there were no 32 bit ones? That is very odd!
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4177[23:07:35] <kale> wr: i run a minimal debian installation with stretch. ir boots with 128M, but barely runs. i have to go up to 256M for it to run smooth.
4178[23:07:47] <jhutchins> 128M 2G for no desktop.
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4180[23:08:12] <jhutchins> 256/10 with desktop.
4181[23:08:19] <jhutchins> That's a pretty lean system.
4182[23:08:30] <videocall> Debian is a well known an very popular distro, especially when it comes to people who are still running 32 bit computers
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4184[23:08:44] <kale> it has 2G root partition, but uses about 800M just after being installed
4185[23:09:13] <greycat> For most people, the MAJOR use of RAM is the web browser. Nothing else is even close on a typical end user machine.
4186[23:09:31] <jhutchins> videocall: Not many people are running 32b processors for end-user desktops these days.
4187[23:09:36] <kale> links doesn't use that much :-)
4188[23:09:52] <videocall> jhutchins, i know lots!
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4191[23:10:26] <videocall> in fact, they chose debian because of the 32bit support
4192[23:10:40] <jhutchins> videocall: 32b support is starting to deprecate. Chrome isn't available any more.
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4194[23:11:45] <videocall> Chromium is available for 32 bit users
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4196[23:12:16] <greycat> *starting* to deprecate; expect it to take a decade or more to finish deprecating
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4198[23:12:35] <videocall> i know quite a few people who use chromium on 32 bit machines. chromium on 32 bit machines is slightly faster than firefox
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4201[23:13:24] <jhutchins> videocall: chrome, not chromium
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4204[23:15:00] <videocall> but you are right, 32bit is dying. i do not expect people i know who are currently using 32 bit machines to use them in 5 years time. i do not think i will be using a 32 bit machine in 2022.
4205[23:15:23] <jhutchins> videocall: Most people only run software from Debian packages. Nightly Builds are really about testing and developing the software, so it's not surprising nobody reported it.
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4208[23:15:54] <jhutchins> videocall: Also, this is the first I've ever heard of ring, so it might not be a well known broadly used program.
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4210[23:16:57] <jhutchins> videocall: Did the version in backports meet your needs?
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4215[23:19:49] <videocall> jhutchins, do not know yet, will test it later
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4219[23:20:50] <videocall> jhutchins, GNU Ring is being touted as a Skype replacement. It was in the news a few months ago when version 1 was released
4220[23:21:19] <jhutchins> videocall: Just so you know, those builds are probably not done by the Debian maintainer.
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4223[23:22:13] <videocall> i know people who are using GNU Ring on a different devices, 32 bit computers, Android phones, MacBook Pro, etc
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4227[23:23:23] <jasabelle> hello, has anyone managed to get ofono working with bluetooth and pulseaudio?
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4259[23:34:39] <jhutchins> videocall: popcon shows 478 installs.
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4261[23:35:29] <jhutchins> videocall: pidgin shows 16914
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4263[23:36:37] <jhutchins> videocall: 478 installations of ring vs. 16914 installations of pidgin.
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4266[23:38:02] <jhutchins> jasabelle: ofono shows 630 installs on popcon.
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4268[23:39:36] <videocall> jhutchins, it does not surprise me because pidgin has been a mature app for a long time, GNU Ring reached version 1 (stableish) in late July and backport debs for debian 9 were released in August
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4275[23:42:04] <jhutchins> Bash, which is installed by default on almost all systems, shows 199083 installs, so that should give an idea of the sample size.
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4286[23:47:32] <apteryx_> Is there an official Debian 9 32 bits (i386) image for docker?
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4289[23:49:04] <nkuttler> how about replaced-url
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4302[23:53:45] <RoyK> apteryx_: why 32bit?
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4308[23:54:37] <apteryx_> to use it to build software for the 32 bits architecture.
4309[23:54:43] <RoyK> ok
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