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0 [00:00:00] <dob1> TomTomTosch, i have to put them in a
repository?
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3 [00:02:00] <TomTomTosch> dob1, no, but you have to tell git.
'git diff --no-index <path> <path>'
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30 [00:13:24] <thenewone> Hi guys if i wanna change the 3.16
kernel wish one is recommended ?
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33 [00:13:52] <TomTomTosch> the one in jessie-backports, which
is 4.3
34 [00:13:57] <markybob> thenewone: i suppose the one in
jessie-backports
35 [00:14:10] <TomTomTosch> first :P
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37 [00:14:19] <markybob> TomTomTosch: cell phone! :P
38 [00:14:39] <TomTomTosch> excuses, excuses!
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44 [00:18:19] <jackcom> how can i install python?
45 [00:19:05] <TomTomTosch> python is installed. it's not
an option in debian.
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47 [00:19:38] <TomTomTosch> type 'python --version'
48 [00:19:39] <jackcom> oh
49 [00:19:41] <dob1> TomTomTosch, i was not able with git, but i
used the comm command, for example comm -23 file1 file2
50 [00:19:56] <jackcom> thanks TomTomTosch ;)
51 [00:20:03] <thenewone> markybob: thanks
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53 [00:20:14] <markybob> TomTomTosch: haha, i win
54 [00:20:21] <jackcom> TomTomTosch: anyway there is no python3
?
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60 [00:21:17] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, if it's not installed,
apt-get install python3
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62 [00:21:35] <jackcom> python3 --version
63 [00:21:35] <jackcom> Python 3.4.2
64 [00:21:42] <jackcom> thanks TomTomTosch ;)
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66 [00:22:25] <TomTomTosch> markybob, heh. customers favorite i
guess x(
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74 [00:24:42] <thenewone> guys who tested debian8-3 with 4.4
kernel ?
75 [00:24:56] <TomTomTosch> nobody? :3
76 [00:25:02] <thenewone> lol
77 [00:25:05] <thenewone> :D
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79 [00:25:32] <TomTomTosch> i mean, you can try building it
yourself, but you are on your own then ;D
80 [00:25:38] <thenewone> i know
81 [00:25:44] <thenewone> iwill do it in vm before i test it on
real
82 [00:25:54] <TomTomTosch> that's a good idea.
83 [00:26:08] <thenewone> i just get it now
84 [00:26:15] <thenewone> debian for servers not for laptops :)
85 [00:26:30] <TomTomTosch> just don't install it from
stretch or sid.
86 [00:26:32] <thenewone> but it's ok learning new stuff
don't hurt :)
87 [00:26:42] <thenewone> yep
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97 [00:32:20] <markybob> thenewone: why? i have it on my laptop
right now. just fine.
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109 [00:37:20] <thenewone> markybob: i know it's fine but i
need to use to it :)
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140 [00:53:12] <thenewone> ok guys take care :)
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143 [00:54:07] <insaneinside> Does linux-image-4.4 not include
the snd-emu10k1 driver? My SB Audigy no longer works on upgrade from
linux-image-4.3.
144 [00:54:18] <insaneinside> i.e., the driver no longer exists.
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146 [00:56:00] <markybob> insaneinside: it's bug #814855
147 [00:56:01] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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151 [00:57:25] <insaneinside> ....! wontfix?! Seriously?
152 [00:57:35] <insaneinside> These sound cards are very, very
common.
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155 [00:58:01] <TomTomTosch> and testing/unstable are not stable
x)
156 [00:58:17] <insaneinside> good point.
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165 [01:02:41] <TomTomTosch> seems like someone got it working by
building it themselves.
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169 [01:03:14] <insaneinside> yeah, but i'm lazy and
building kernels was fun back in high school, not so much now
170 [01:03:21] <insaneinside> I guess I'll just keep using
4.3 for now. Damn it, why can't technology just be magic?
(Rhetorical question!)
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191 [01:10:38] <terabit> Hi, I wanted to know why debian uses
HTTPS/TLS for iso and other install time downloads .
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193 [01:11:02] <TomTomTosch> meh. i'm on 3.16 and pretty
happy.
194 [01:11:18] <phogg> terabit: is there a reason not to use
https?
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197 [01:11:35] <terabit> I personally thing it's great ,
someone is telling me they won't let their project use TLS
because openbsd or w/e doesn't use it
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199 [01:12:01] <abrotman> that's goofy ..
200 [01:13:20] <terabit> having trouble being taken seriously so
I was hoping maybe you have a mailing list discussion or something
documented I can show the said person to prove I'm not being a
paranoid jerk by insisting they use TLS :P
201 [01:14:05] <jackcom> how can i install virtualenv? ;(
202 [01:14:43] <themill> terabit: which downloads are you talking
about?
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204 [01:16:37] <terabit>
replaced-url
205 [01:16:40] <terabit> basically all of them
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208 [01:16:56] <themill> I think you mean none of them
209 [01:17:02] <terabit> including torrent and direct iso
downloas have https links
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211 [01:18:07] <themill> images and packages are verified by gpg
signatures not by https
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213 [01:18:44] <jackcom> how can i install virtualenv?
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215 [01:18:50] <abrotman> I thought some of the mirrors supported
https now ?
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217 [01:19:16] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, apt-get install
python-virtualenv ?
218 [01:19:24] <themill> or even just apt install virtualenv
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223 [01:19:40] <jackcom> oh thanks TomTomTosch ;)
224 [01:19:56] <themill> abrotman: a few and the links are not
there on that page
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226 [01:20:28] <abrotman> gotcha
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228 [01:21:22] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, but care, virtualenv is for
python3, python-virtualenv is the python2 version.
229 [01:22:01] <jackcom> lol
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231 [01:22:37] <jackcom> apt-get install virtualenv for python3 ?
TomTomTosch ?
232 [01:23:02] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, yes.
233 [01:23:17] <jackcom> thanks ;)
234 [01:23:19] <terabit> themill: I know GPG is used to manually
verify downloads, but https links exist to ISO's and
.torrent's
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236 [01:23:40] <TomTomTosch> really? where did they hide it?
237 [01:23:54] <themill> terabit: which link there is an https
link to an iso?
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244 [01:26:30] <TomTomTosch> terabit, https would only add
overhead without added security.
245 [01:26:41] <TomTomTosch> in this case at least.
246 [01:27:13] <terabit> even for people that won't do GPG
verification?
247 [01:27:32] <terabit> themill: someone linked me a debian page
for an example of a distro that uses https in ##crypto
248 [01:27:45] <terabit> looking up what that url was ...
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251 [01:28:07] <TomTomTosch> the frontpage does, but not the
downloads.
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253 [01:29:24] <themill> cdimage.debian.org doesn't even
listen on :443.
254 [01:29:38] <terabit> seems you're right
255 [01:29:47] <terabit> w/e
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258 [01:30:34] <themill> where it makes sense, material is
delivered via https; there are https mirrors around too, but
you'd still be verifying the resources by gpg.
259 [01:30:40] <markybob> terabit: what's the real question?
what is your project that you were talking about?
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262 [01:31:09] <terabit> markybob: already asked it, and I got my
answer :P
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265 [01:31:23] <terabit> themill: that clears it up,thanks.
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267 [01:32:06] <TomTomTosch> heh, i guess he just wanted to prove
someone wrong x)
268 [01:32:14] <markybob> i guess
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308 [01:53:51] <mo1991reg> anyone know what it takes to get a
linked in connect to debian users group?
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310 [01:54:20] <mo1991reg> I've had a pending for some time
:(
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329 [02:02:40] <TomTomTosch> would be nice to have bit more
automated procedures for checking the integrity though.
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333 [02:04:41] <themill> therein lies the problem -- would you
trust a few hundred lines of baroque shell code that you downloaded
from some random site?
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344 [02:08:21] <TomTomTosch> "even for people that
won't do GPG verification?" has a point though. i guess a
lot of people don't x(
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350 [02:10:19] <pasadinhas> Hey everyone. I'm having trouble
with my Debian. Long story short: I'm running 8.3 on my laptop
and using it as a server. I don't want it to suspend so I
masked suspend.target. systemd-logind is using high CPU and the log
says:
351 [02:10:20] <pasadinhas> Mar 23 01:03:57 DEBIAN
systemd-logind[647]: Suspending...
352 [02:10:21] <pasadinhas> Mar 23 01:03:57 DEBIAN
systemd-logind[647]: Failed to execute operation: Unit
suspend.target is masked.
353 [02:10:40] <pasadinhas> it's doing that every second, so
that's where the cpu usage is coming, I guess
354 [02:10:41] <pasadinhas> any tips?
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366 [02:20:28] <TheSin> how do I cross compile something that
requires avahi when each arch conflicts with each other?
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375 [02:25:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> pasadinhas, why did you do that
anyway... why would a system suspend if it's not told to
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380 [02:26:08] <pasadinhas> CutMeOwnThroat maybe the laptop
"auto-suspends"... don't know. all I know is that
it's having this weird behaviour
381 [02:26:18] <cmtptr> is there something I can configure to
change where the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img symlinks are created?
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383 [02:26:29] <cmtptr> it would be more useful to me if they
lived in /boot
384 [02:26:34] <pasadinhas> it's trying to suspend 3 or more
times a second
385 [02:26:53] <somiaj> cmtptr: if you are using grub you
shouldn't need those symlinks
386 [02:27:00] <cmtptr> I'm not using grub
387 [02:27:07] <somiaj> cmtptr: are you using lilo?
388 [02:27:10] <cmtptr> no
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392 [02:28:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> pasadinhas, it doesn't auto
suspend... well, mine doesn't... so I wonder why you did the
masking
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394 [02:28:07] <somiaj> cmtptr: well whatever you are using to
boot, if you point it directly at the actual kernel/initrd, and you
can point it at symlinks if you want, but unsure about scripts that
change them on kernel upgrades
395 [02:28:30] <cmtptr> I'm aware of how to use my
bootloader
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397 [02:28:42] <cmtptr> this doesn't answer my question
398 [02:28:47] <jmcnaught> pasadinhas: the lid is closed on the
laptop I guess? Set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in
/etc/systemd/logind.conf
399 [02:28:49] <pasadinhas> CutMeOwnThroat I ran the command in
the Debian wiki. Here:
replaced-url
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404 [02:29:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but why
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406 [02:29:52] <jmcnaught> pasadinhas: then you can also unmask
suspend.target so that you can use it if you ever need to. i also
use an old laptop as a homeserver
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408 [02:30:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> I could understand doing the lid
thing
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410 [02:30:34] <pasadinhas> jmcnaught that's actually a
possibility. Unfurtunatly I just f#ck€d things up because it
suspended now... And I'm not in the same city as the laptop
atm. just great
411 [02:30:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> but ... well, fixing a problem
that didn't exist?
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416 [02:31:10] <pasadinhas> But yeah, that's probably the
problem!
417 [02:31:12] <pasadinhas> thank yo
418 [02:31:15] <pasadinhas> *you
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441 [02:41:24] <pasadinhas> jmcnaught it worked, thanks :)
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444 [02:42:15] <jmcnaught> pasadinhas: you're welcome
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447 [02:43:24] <foreverska> I have issues with DPI across
dissimilar models under openbox. is there a WM or DE that gets it
right?
448 [02:43:36] <foreverska> *monitors
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490 [03:13:04] <Epakai> i'm not aware of any, dpi is set for
xorg. maybe wayland will offer a way in the future
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537 [03:54:12] <julius> hi
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540 [03:54:39] <julius> got a apt-get running, i did do: ctrl+z
and bg, but im still getting output to the ssh console. can i
disconnect safely?
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545 [03:59:12] <TomTomTosch> not without closing that session.
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547 [04:00:14] <ilCyx86_64> julius: If you want to keep something
running even after its parent tty is killed, prefix the command with
`nohup`
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556 [04:04:28] <markybob> julius: this is why people made
'screen'
557 [04:05:00] <markybob> julius: just ctrl+a d
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577 [04:14:14] <lq>
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592 [04:20:47] <hanasaki> how do I check bluetooth from the cmd
line?
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595 [04:21:46] <somiaj> hanasaki: look at the bluez package,
can't really say much more than that. It may have cli tools
596 [04:21:49] <somiaj> !bluetooth
597 [04:21:49] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications
protocol (replaced-url
598 [04:22:12] <hanasaki> didn't get far w/ that... syslog
has
599 [04:22:21] <hanasaki> Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x0c03 tx
timeout
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604 [04:26:41] <TomTomTosch> no device in range that would
answer?
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610 [04:28:48] <hanasaki> no
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628 [04:39:43] <TomTomTosch> somiaj, that factoid seems a bit
outdated. bluez-utils is not in jessie.
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633 [04:42:01] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: ahh, I woudln't know
what to update it to. I just know bluez is/was the tools for
bluetooth in debian/linux
634 [04:42:11] <somiaj> or at least the common one I always seem
to see people using
635 [04:42:16] <markybob> it is. just bluez now
636 [04:42:32] <TomTomTosch> jep, or bluetooth. it's the
same.
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659 [04:51:23] <TomTomTosch> scanning would be 'hcitool
scan' as user
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661 [04:51:48] <TomTomTosch> hanasaki, you did this? ^
662 [04:53:26] <TomTomTosch> hanasaki, if so, can you tell me
what lsusb or lspci says about your device?
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665 [04:58:19] <TomTomTosch> oh, he's gone... i just now
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673 [05:06:09] <RoyK> TomTomTosch: those things happen ;)
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702 [05:25:43] <ryouma> is this significant? "Warning:
nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might
make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!"
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720 [05:38:12] <jmcnaught> ryouma: on my jessie system it's
installed, it looks like because gnome-control-center recommends it.
does your /etc/nsswitch.conf use it? it's after files on the
hosts line here. Where did you see the warning? Whatever warned you
obviously thinks it's important.
721 [05:38:12] <transhuman_> anyone able to explain what this
means, or more to the point is there an easy fix ?
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732 [05:41:57] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: i'm not a Xen user,
but is that a custom init script? it sounds like it is missing the
LSB headers that tell your /sbin/init what this script's
dependencies are
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734 [05:42:22] <transhuman_> what does an LSB header look like so
I can add it
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736 [05:42:50] <tipo> can i run a normal debian image on a
raspberry pi 2?
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739 [05:45:21] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: there is an example one
at /etc/init.d/skeleton, you could also look at
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745 [05:48:41] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, one last question should
I proceed with upgrade and fix afterwards, or is this a show stopper
746 [05:50:37] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: i don't know what
this script is, and i'm not familiar with this error. i suspect
that it's not the native Xen way of autostarting domUs.
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749 [05:51:59] <transhuman_> it starts domU's but my concern
is that I will do irreperable damage to the integrity of the install
if I proceed that I cant fix afterward. (NO VM's are on it that
need to be started, just dont want to cause a package break during
middle of upgrade)
750 [05:52:05] <TheSin> tipo, kinda, you need the firmware from
the rpi foundation, but otherwise you can run the armhf dist
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754 [05:55:15] <transhuman_> heck I just took a san snapshot
before accepting the warning, see what happens, can undo if i have
to
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832 [07:05:32] <cheapie> A -686 kernel won't run on a 586,
will it?
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835 [07:08:04] <ksx4system> cheapie, most likely it won't
run (but check anyway)
836 [07:09:29] <cheapie> OK, I'll try that.
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840 [07:10:33] <cheapie> It's currently installing
(this'll take a while).
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852 [07:18:03] <cheapie> Still unpacking that kernel...
853 [07:18:06] <Hijiri> Does the build (in stretch) of mpv have
samba support disabled?
854 [07:18:37] <Hijiri> actually I already know that it does, at
least it looks like it does
855 [07:18:49] <Hijiri> but why was it configured that way? Less
build deps?
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858 [07:20:59] <Hijiri> mplayer2 supports it, it looks like
859 [07:23:29] <Hijiri> also where can I go to request that it be
compiled with samba support?
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900 [07:53:19] <superlinux> hi. I have my hp proliant ml350 gen9
server sometimes arrives at grub menu and it boots normally and
sometimes is does not and hangs just before the menu shows up. so
what what's wrong? and everytime I get error that my write
cache has been lost.
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914 [07:59:15] <lesta> superlinux: what os?
915 [07:59:46] <superlinux> latest debian jessie 8 with backports
too
916 [08:00:03] <superlinux> lesta, .
917 [08:00:10] <lesta> superlinux: did you apply all the HP
patch/updates?
918 [08:00:14] <superlinux> yes
919 [08:00:16] <superlinux> i did
920 [08:00:20] <lesta> BIOS?
921 [08:00:21] <superlinux> all of them
922 [08:00:25] <superlinux> even BIOS
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924 [08:00:35] <superlinux> i boot from lagacy bios
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927 [08:01:12] <superlinux> even SPP updates are applied
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929 [08:01:34] <superlinux> and the repositories of debian are
added too
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933 [08:02:16] <superlinux> and I always lose my write cache
because of it getting error number 1793
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938 [08:03:03] <superlinux> lesta, .
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959 [08:09:42] <lesta> superlinux: power and data cables ok?
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961 [08:10:44] <superlinux> lesta the server boots just fine .
but I have to restart the machine a number of times to reach the
grub boot menu
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976 [08:17:02] <jmcnaught> superlinux: the computer has a
hardware RAID card? it sounds more like a problem with a RAID card
than GRUB
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978 [08:17:41] <superlinux> jmcnaught, yes it does have RAID card
HP smart array P440ar
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983 [08:20:07] <superlinux> I going to contact HP soon. I have
just downloaded the AHS Logs from iLo
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986 [08:22:38] <superlinux> but i was wondering whether it's
a GRUB or RAID
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1002 [08:36:43] <innerand> When building/installing an upstream
Kernel, should I prefer one near the Debian version (3.16 ->
3.18) or rather a newer one (4.4)?
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1005 [08:37:44] <innerand> (aim is to have rt-patches in debian
jessie)
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1072 [09:10:59] <MCMic> Hello
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1076 [09:11:29] <MCMic> I’m trying to understand why
installing cutegram removes ffmpeg. Is there no way of having both
installed?
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1078 [09:11:40] <MCMic> (debian jessie)
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1093 [09:16:09] <superlinux> MCMic, do you need other then raising
the volume of the video and compressing it?
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1096 [09:17:08] <MCMic> superlinux: What?
1097 [09:17:36] <superlinux> brb
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1099 [09:20:14] <Amun_Ra> that's not an official debian
package
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1102 [09:20:46] <MCMic> Oh, maybe
1103 [09:21:29] <Amun_Ra> ,v cutegram
1104 [09:21:30] <judd> No package named 'cutegram' was
found in amd64.
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1107 [09:22:04] <MCMic> Amun_Ra: Oh you’re right, I took the
ubuntu package from their website, that explains why it causes
problems ^^
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1109 [09:22:15] <MCMic> Did not remember this
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1111 [09:22:35] <MCMic> It seems it depends of libav-tools which
conflict with ffmpeg
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1116 [09:25:11] <Amun_Ra> perhaps ubuntu's libav-tools does
not conflict with ffmpeg but I'm too lazy to check that out
;>
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1129 [09:33:36] <jelly> MCMic: which debian release are you using?
There's ffmpeg and libav-tools in jessie-backports
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1133 [09:34:58] <MCMic> jelly: I’m using jessie
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1135 [09:35:20] <jelly> !jessie-backports
1136 [09:35:21] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9
"Stretch" release but recompiled for use with
"Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports
are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A
suitable line for your sources.list is «deb
replaced-url
1137 [09:35:55] <MCMic> jelly: but they are conflicting no?
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1139 [09:36:58] <jelly> MCMic: I think not.
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1141 [09:37:44] <jelly> judd: depends libavtools --release
jessie-backports
1142 [09:37:45] <judd> No package named 'libavtools' was
found in jessie-backports/amd64.
1143 [09:37:49] <jelly> judd: depends libav-tools --release
jessie-backports
1144 [09:37:50] <judd> Package libav-tools in
jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: ffmpeg.
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1146 [09:38:06] <jelly> MCMic: they can't both Depend and
Conflict at the same time
1147 [09:38:15] <MCMic> judd: depends libav-tools --release jessie
1148 [09:38:17] <judd> Package libav-tools in jessie/amd64 --
depends: libavcodec56 (>= 6:11~beta1) | libavcodec-extra-56
(>= 6:11.4), libavdevice55 (>= 6:11~beta1), libavfilter5
(>= 6:11~beta1), libavformat56 (>= 6:11~beta1), libavresample2
(>= 6:11~beta1), libavutil54 (>= 6:11~beta1), libc6 (>=
2.14), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.11), libswscale3 (>=
6:11~beta1), libvdpau1 (>= 0.2), libx11-6,dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2~).
1149 [09:38:24] <MCMic> hum
1150 [09:38:35] <MCMic> ok I’ll try the backports version
1151 [09:39:42] <MCMic> judd: Thanks a lot, it worked :-)
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1153 [09:40:55] <simonlnu> judd is a bot
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1158 [09:41:49] <jelly> and it appreciates the gratitude
nevertheless!
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1203 [10:05:58] <rtur> Hello guys. I get this error
replaced-url
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1207 [10:07:05] <jelly> rtur: is your machine an openvz vps?
1208 [10:07:11] <rtur> jelly, yes
1209 [10:07:41] <jelly> apparently something broke the custom init
system (upstart) used for your vps image
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1214 [10:08:13] <jelly> rtur: a reboot may help, or the machine
might not be able to boot properly at all. Tread carefully.
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1216 [10:08:42] <rtur> jelly, Thank you, I'll open a ticket
with my provider then.
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1225 [10:11:56] <Cloudwalker42> hello
1226 [10:12:03] <Jimmymaniac> Hi. Quick question: Just noticed
that a software raid array is syncronizing but nothing is showing on
syslog. Neither /proc/mdstat nor mdadm --detail are telling me which
hard disk caused the event. How can i find out?
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1232 [10:15:00] <Cloudwalker42> I performed a dist upgrade on one
of my systems to debian Jessie from wheezy. The upgrade went well
but some of my php scripts in a subdirectory of my website
aren't interpreted by the browser and are ust displayed as
source code in the browser.
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1234 [10:15:24] <Cloudwalker42> interpreted by the apache web
server*
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1268 [10:37:59] <si_kabayan> Is debdelta server down?
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1271 [10:38:40] <si_kabayan> I think it's already a week I
get the `Delta is not present:` message ...
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1284 [10:43:16] <donoban> can I download a packages with his
dependencies with apt-get?
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1289 [10:45:22] <jelly> donoban: that's how "apt-get
install' works by default
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1291 [10:45:56] <donoban> but I don't want install them
jelly, sorry I didn't explain well
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1294 [10:46:18] <donoban> I want to download them for do then an
offline install
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1296 [10:47:15] <donoban> I tried, apt-get download
<pacakge> it doesn't download dependencies
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1298 [10:47:30] <donoban> and also apt-get install -d
<package> , I'm not sure what was wrong
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1301 [10:48:50] <jelly> donoban: apt-get -d install will only
download what's needed _on the current machine_
1302 [10:49:01] <jelly> you probably want something like apt-zip
1303 [10:49:05] <jelly> !apt-zip
1304 [10:49:05] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt
and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs
in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline>
<apt-walkabout>.
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1305 [10:49:17] <jelly> or some of the alternatives.
1306 [10:49:25] <donoban> ty jelly I'm gonna read man
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1313 [10:53:31] <donoban> uhm, jelly apt-zip is only on whezzy
1314 [10:53:53] <donoban> last update on Feb 2008 :\
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1321 [10:59:26] <MrDetonia> Does anyone know when Linux 4.5 will
merge into Testing?
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1323 [10:59:35] <MrDetonia> as the default kernel, I mean
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1335 [11:03:35] <beepbopboop> babilen, hey I fixed the issue with
the video drivers!
1336 [11:03:42] <beepbopboop> Now I just need to get my audio to
work... haha
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1344 [11:08:46] <babilen> beepbopboop: Cool, what did you end up
doing?
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1347 [11:09:28] <babilen> Did the opensource drivers work for you
or did you have to install fglrx from backports?
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1350 [11:09:39] <beepbopboop> I just had to install non-free
drivers
1351 [11:09:53] <babilen> Did you grab the ones from backports as
suggested?
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1354 [11:10:52] <beepbopboop>
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1357 [11:11:09] <beepbopboop> I just followed the part after
installation
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1360 [11:11:48] <beepbopboop> What's stupid is that I was
looking at that page constantly... and the answer was right there.
Derp
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1362 [11:13:01] <babilen> Ah, so installing the firmware and
libgl1-mesa-dri solved it. I had hoped that it would, which is why I
suggested to try that first. Typically the AMD drivers in
Xorg/Kernel are quite good.
1363 [11:13:13] <babilen> Wonderful :)
1364 [11:13:19] <beepbopboop> Yeah, haha
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1368 [11:15:42] <beepbopboop> Anyone know of a good way to
troubleshoot sound issues? My system isn't making any sounds
despite volume levels
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1370 [11:16:00] <tlatelolco> Hello! I need to prevent access to
any shell or login (but SSH), so I need to disable the Ctrl-Alt-F...
ttys. How to, please?
1371 [11:16:14] <sn0wmonster> Is it Debian inside of Qubes or
something special like that beepbopboop?
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1374 [11:16:38] <beepbopboop> sn0wmonster, I'm just running
Debian Jessie with the cinnamon DE
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1377 [11:16:58] <Walex> tlatelolco: PAM.
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1380 [11:17:23] <Slimmy> Hello folks. I remember in an Ubuntu
distro back in the day hearing drums when logging in. Is there a way
to have a log in sound in debian stable?
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1382 [11:18:06] <rozie> !alsa
1383 [11:18:07] <dpkg> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is
a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards.
Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>,
<default alsa>, <alsa firmware>.
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1384 [11:18:07] <beepbopboop> Slimmy, yeah just go to sound
settings I believe- I don't know if the system configuration
stuff is the same in other DEs or not though
1385 [11:18:20] <rozie> beepbopboop: take a look at above help
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1387 [11:18:53] <Slimmy> I have sound. I just want to know how to
have a welcome sound
1388 [11:19:08] <babilen> dpkg: tell beepbopboop about alsa
checklist
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1391 [11:19:32] <babilen> beepbopboop: You also want to install
pavucontrol and adjust volume levels and output sinks there.
1392 [11:19:39] <babilen> (for pulseaudio)
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1394 [11:20:24] <tlatelolco> Walex, I just need to prevent people
from escaping the X session, because the PC is an internet kiosk for
anyone. No Ctrl-Alt-F.. could be possible
1395 [11:20:31] <beepbopboop> babilen, yeah, I read somewhere
about getting pavucontrol to adjust volume levels, hmm
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1397 [11:21:11] <beepbopboop> Also, how do I add myself to the
'audio' group? or at least check?
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1399 [11:21:51] <babilen> beepbopboop: Start with the alsa
checklist, run "alsamixer" and make sure all channels are
unmuted ("m" unmutes/mutes). Then run "speaker-test
-t wav" which should play audio on all channels. Once you are
done with that you want to check the configuration in pavucontrol.
The output of "aplay -L" might also be of interest.
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1404 [11:22:37] <babilen> Also read how "aplay -L"
correlates to device selection in the speaker-test manpage
1405 [11:23:27] <babilen> Well, also make sure your AMP is turned
on and the speakers connected (or similar steps for other hardware)
1406 [11:23:30] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hello. What is the method to
replace one package with another? Typical example is to use mariadb
instead of mysql without deleting the packages depending on mysql in
the process.
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1409 [11:23:52] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: You can just install
mariadb-server
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1411 [11:24:23] <babilen> The packages are designed in such a way
to allow for that without problems
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1413 [11:25:01] <beepbopboop> Alright, everything's unmuted
in alsamixer, speakertest doesn't give any audio,
everything's fine in pavucontrol
1414 [11:25:02] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: Or are you interested in
ways in which you can get your own packages to behave like that?
1415 [11:25:20] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: no, not own packages
1416 [11:25:35] <Beeblebrox-BSD> but if just install, the client
wont be conistent
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1418 [11:26:03] <Beeblebrox-BSD> system will be using mysql-client
rather than mariadb-client
1419 [11:26:27] <babilen> beepbopboop: Check "aplay -L"
-- it might be that some pesky little bugger is the default device.
Also make sure the correct output sink is selected in pavucontrol.
For me it helps sometimes to simply run "alsactl init" and
I haven't quite understood why.
1420 [11:26:48] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: You can also install
mariadb-client
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1422 [11:27:05] <babilen> (but mysql-client can speak to
mariadb-server)
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1424 [11:27:56] <beepbopboop> alsactl init just says, command not
found
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1427 [11:28:04] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: But how are the apps
depending on mysql-client supposed to know which client to use?
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1430 [11:28:37] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Also, yes the client talks to
MDB, but the proper client is healthier for error minimization
1431 [11:28:50] <beepbopboop> and I don't know what to do
with this list for aplay -L
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1433 [11:29:10] <Beeblebrox-BSD> AFAIK MDB-client and My-client
are both named the same
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1435 [11:31:37] <babilen> beepbopboop: You don't have
alsa-utils installed then
1436 [11:32:11] <beepbopboop> I just checked, it says I have it
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1438 [11:32:47] <babilen> beepbopboop: It is /usr/sbin/alsactl and
you run it as root (I guess that you don't have /usr/sbin in
your PATH)
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1440 [11:34:04] <beepbopboop> Hmm, I'm not seeing an alsactl
1441 [11:34:55] <beepbopboop> Oh wait, nevermind
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1443 [11:35:51] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: You just have one or the
other installed
1444 [11:36:00] <babilen> (which is ensured by the package
dependencies)
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1446 [11:36:22] <beepbopboop> how do I 'run' alsactl?
1447 [11:36:23] <sn0wmonster> ALSACTL: Order your groceries from
Linux
1448 [11:36:32] <babilen> beepbopboop: Do you use sudo?
1449 [11:36:48] <babilen> sn0wmonster: Pardon?
1450 [11:36:52] <beepbopboop> just sudo alsactl when in /usr/sbin?
1451 [11:37:07] <sn0wmonster> Alsa= Walmart's name in the UK
1452 [11:37:25] <babilen> beepbopboop: "sudo
/usr/sbin/alsactl" would definitely work, depending on your
sudo path configuration "sudo alsactl" would work also.
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1455 [11:37:55] <babilen> But then you want "alsactl
init", so make that ... "sudo /usr/sbin/alsactl init"
or "sudo alsactl init" respectively
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1459 [11:38:21] <beepbopboop> Ahh, okay
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1461 [11:39:42] <beepbopboop> Hmm, so what do with this
information?
1462 [11:39:51] <babilen> With what?
1463 [11:39:55] <beepbopboop> Found hardware:
"HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC1150"
"HDA:10ec0900,1458a182,00100001" "0x1458"
"0xa182"
1464 [11:39:55] <beepbopboop> Hardware is initialized using a
generic method
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1466 [11:40:10] <babilen> beepbopboop: You simply run it. If it
did not start playing for you the "magic" did not work.
1467 [11:40:20] <babilen> Are you currently playing music/sound ?
1468 [11:40:25] <beepbopboop> No
1469 [11:40:29] <babilen> Well ..
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1472 [11:41:43] <beepbopboop> Testing the sounds afterward just
gives the same silent result
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1474 [11:42:12] <babilen> And as said earlier: The output of
"aplay -L" might be of interest. Also that of "cat
/proc/asound/cards" -- my guess would be that the
"wrong" device is the default. It's not hard to
switch it, but you should be able to play on the correct device with
alsactl or select it in the pavuctl configuration (you said that the
latter is fine though)
1475 [11:42:19] <rozie> beepbopboop: did you check alsa-checklist
1476 [11:42:25] <rozie> !alsa-checklist
1477 [11:42:25] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
1478 [11:42:49] <babilen> rozie: I send that to beepbopboop quite
some time ago, so I would very much hope that it has been checked,
yeah
1479 [11:43:07] <beepbopboop> babilen, well the settings looked
all fine- no actual sound though.
1480 [11:43:17] <rozie> babilen: OK, sorry, didn't read
backlog
1481 [11:43:41] <babilen> beepbopboop: We need data (such as the
output of the aforementioned commands or screenshots of the pavuvtl
dialogue)
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1484 [11:44:30] <beepbopboop> Hmm
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1487 [11:45:05] <beepbopboop> Like... how do I check the first
thing on the check list about being in an audio group?
1488 [11:45:35] <Iridos> "groups"?
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1490 [11:46:22] <Iridos> we also need a new checklist that
includes pulseaudio stuff :-/
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1492 [11:46:40] <rozie> beepbopboop: grep audio /etc/group
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1495 [11:47:40] <rozie> if you user isn't there, then, sudo
adduser <username> audio
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1497 [11:47:52] <beepbopboop> Okay well it shows that I'm in
the audio group there, tested alsamixer- that appears to be fine
1498 [11:48:33] <rozie> did you reboot after adding user to audio
group?
1499 [11:48:44] <beepbopboop> It said I was already in the group
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1501 [11:49:24] <themill> allegedly, in these days of polkit
brokering, the audio group isn't needed any more
1502 [11:49:38] * themill has never experimented to verify
1503 [11:49:50] <rozie> beepbopboop: my trust is limited.
especially that my audio works ;-)
1504 [11:50:05] <beepbopboop> Damn, hmm...
1505 [11:50:35] <rozie> just reboot and we all will be sure and
happy
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1510 [11:51:06] <beepbopboop> Alright I'll reboot- I doubt
it'll do anything because I haven't really even done
anything, lol
1511 [11:51:07] <beepbopboop> I'll brb
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1513 [11:52:21] <gattler> Hi, I want to trigger an udev rule when
an usb device is unplugged, so I did:
"ACTION=="remove",
ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device",
RUN+="/usr/local/bin/usb_remove.sh""
1514 [11:52:34] <gattler> But this rule is never triggred
1515 [11:52:37] <gattler> any suggestions?
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1519 [11:55:23] <stallmanoia> I like debian but the problem is its
text on Xwindows is too hard on the eyes
1520 [11:55:43] <nebg> hello everyone i'm trying to compile
kicad on a debian machine... but i have a compilation problem... i
really can't understand... can somebody here help me understand
which is the problem ? the log of make is here
replaced-url
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1522 [11:56:20] <nebg> i can't understand the compilation
error
1523 [11:56:29] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: What you are suggesting
is useless to me, because there are meta-backages depending on mysql
that I have installed through added apt resources. If I directly
install MDB, these meta-packages get removed along with mysql.
1524 [11:56:31] <beepbopboop> Well, audio still isn't working
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1526 [11:58:14] <beepbopboop> how do I "purge any installed
<oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist." ?
1527 [11:58:35] <fbq3523> stallmanoia: xterm -fa monospace -fs 16
&
1528 [11:58:41] <beepbopboop> That's like the last thing on
this list, if I can't fix this... bah, haha
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1531 [11:59:30] <wpostma> nebg: looks like Boost is unhappy. Some
overloaded templated variadic C++ bullshit is broken. I really wish
C++ code had not been allowed into the kernel. Now it's got
Boost::Disease
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1533 [11:59:46] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: Those packages should
depend on virtual-mysql-client -- which packages are that?
1534 [11:59:57] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: What is the *actual*
problem you are trying to solve?
1535 [12:00:25] <babilen> (or depend on mariadb or mysql client)
1536 [12:00:51] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: As I said, replace mysql
with MDB-10 on the system. Its not possible however, due to
additional apt resources I have pulled in.
1537 [12:01:05] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: real output in a
pastebin would help
1538 [12:01:06] <themill> dpkg: tell Beeblebrox-BSD about bat
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1541 [12:01:21] <Beeblebrox-BSD> The apt repo is Kali, so all kali
meta-ports will be deleted if I just install MDB
1542 [12:01:42] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: well the debian packages
don't have this problem and this is why we don't support
things other than debian here
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1544 [12:01:54] <Beeblebrox-BSD> K.
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1547 [12:03:15] <MadHatter42> hi
1548 [12:03:33] <MadHatter42> anyone had any luck with the HP
dataprotector agent in debian
1549 [12:03:37] <MadHatter42> installing it
1550 [12:03:38] <MadHatter42> ?
1551 [12:04:04] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Coming from FreeBSD, I was hoping
there would be something similar on Deb, like "pkg -o old-pkg
new-pkg". Thanks anyway.
1552 [12:04:22] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: it is in debian.
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1554 [12:04:58] <Beeblebrox-BSD> themill: where exactly please?
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1559 [12:05:40] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: what you were told right
at the beginning. Please stick to #kali-linux as #debian has nothing
to offer for things that aren't debian.
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1577 [12:14:32] <Iridos> MadHatter42, although there are ~1700
people in here it would be mayhem and more like 10-15 are active...
chances for someone using a specific large-scale solution
aren't too big. ask specific questions to problems you
encounter showing as much of the relevant output/errors, that has a
much higher chance for an answer
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1600 [12:25:04] <stallmanoia> I have 4GB RAM, should I use 32bit
or 64bit Debian?
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1603 [12:26:11] <kmq> stallmanoia: if your cpu supports it and you
do not have special requirements for 32bit, use 64bit
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1606 [12:29:11] <stallmanoia> thanks
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1621 [12:40:51] <kmq> hi, I'm trying to mount an encrypted
btrfs raid from within the initrd for boot, but it fails to mount
with:
1622 [12:40:54] <kmq> mounting /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt on /mnt
failed: Invalid argument
1623 [12:41:27] <Rico> i guess you have an invalid argument
1624 [12:41:28] <Rico> :)
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1626 [12:41:44] <kmq> when I mount from within the installation
liveCD everything is working fine, so I am assuming I am missing
something in the initrd
1627 [12:41:51] <kmq> this is the disk layout:
replaced-url
1628 [12:42:17] <kmq> Rico: I'm trying to figure out what the
invalid argument is
1629 [12:42:40] <kmq> you don't happen to know some btrfs
internals to give me a hint ? ;-)
1630 [12:42:46] <Rico> can't help, sorry, not a debian expert
1631 [12:43:05] <kmq> I have the btrfs kernel module loaded, and
I'm not getting any output in dmesg
1632 [12:44:12] <kmq> and "btrfs device scan"
doesn't help or depending on invocation shows the same error
1633 [12:44:32] <kmq> any pointers as to what else could be
required would be greatly appreciated
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1636 [12:45:02] <gfcamilo> t
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1640 [12:46:05] <kmq> this is on debian jessie, btw
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1646 [12:47:07] <kmq> or maybe an idea of which argument the
"invalid argument" refers to
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1648 [12:47:52] <cerealkiller> Hello guys, I have a problem. I
think i fiddled with the .Xauthority file, and now I am in a login
loop
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1650 [12:49:56] <jelly> cerealkiller: you're allowed to
delete ~user/.Xauthority if the user is not logged in.
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1652 [12:50:11] <grawity> don't forget to look for any
lockfiles with a similar name
1653 [12:50:14] <cerealkiller> jelly: Should I delete it and then
reboot? it also has a backup file
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1655 [12:50:33] <grawity> yeah, nuke the backups, nuke
.Xauthority-c, nuke .Xauthority-l
1656 [12:51:03] <cerealkiller> Ok I'll try it now and come
back :) thanks
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1663 [12:53:16] <jelly> no need to reboot tho.
1664 [12:53:39] <grawity> does avoid some odd cases though
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1668 [12:54:31] <beepbopboop> Err... okay so I was fixing my audio
drivers
1669 [12:54:52] <beepbopboop> Reading the Debian wiki, the audio
may not be working because I'm using the realtek chipset, so I
got those drivers
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1671 [12:55:13] <beepbopboop> but when re-booting after
everything, I noticed an error in my bash_history
1672 [12:55:33] <beepbopboop> "./configure
--with-cards=had-intel"
1673 [12:55:59] <beepbopboop> it's supposed to be
hda-intel... would there be any errors to re-doing it like normal?
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1675 [12:57:09] <cerealkiller> Well no results so far
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1678 [12:57:52] <beepbopboop> Gah, goddammit- probably fucked my
audio drivers even worse
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1698 [13:06:38] <tipo> is there a way to get the systemd shutdown
in jessie to be significantly more verbose?
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1700 [13:06:58] <DammitJim> I have an application that creates log
files every day
1701 [13:07:10] <DammitJim> can I use logrotate to compress them
and delete them?
1702 [13:07:32] <DammitJim> does it matter what the files are
called?
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1704 [13:08:50] <MadHatter42> DammitJim, just set up a normal
logrotate
1705 [13:08:56] <MadHatter42> it should work fine
1706 [13:09:01] <DammitJim> neato... then I must be doing
something wrong
1707 [13:09:18] <DammitJim> now, logrotate will not compress a
bunch of log files into one file, right?
1708 [13:09:18] <MadHatter42> pastebin your logrotate thing
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1711 [13:09:39] <DammitJim> thanks MadHatter42, let me get it
1712 [13:09:47] <MadHatter42> afak it will create individual
compressed files
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1714 [13:10:11] <DammitJim> oh ok, then I need to use a different
job to do that
1715 [13:10:20] <MadHatter42> nope
1716 [13:10:25] <MadHatter42> you should just a *
1717 [13:10:27] <DammitJim> and maybe then I can have logrotate
delete them after a certain amount of time
1718 [13:10:30] <MadHatter42> in your logrotate file
1719 [13:10:46] <DammitJim> MadHatter42, let me give you an
example
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1721 [13:11:00] <MadHatter42> you already should have examples on
the logrotate folder
1722 [13:11:57] <msl09> my fonts are not displaying right
1723 [13:11:59] <msl09>
replaced-url
1724 [13:12:08] <msl09> is there a way to fix it?
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1734 [13:19:48] <DammitJim> sorry, had to talk to someone,
MadHatter42
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1736 [13:20:07] <DammitJim> I was going to say examples of the
files I need to package up in 1 file
1737 [13:20:15] <DammitJim> that step I think I'm going to
have to script
1738 [13:20:25] <cerealkiller> Hey guys, I'm stuck in a login
loop
1739 [13:20:37] <cerealkiller> I tried deleting the .Xauthority
file but still nothing
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1743 [13:22:17] <MadHatter42> cerealkiller, locally or via ssh ?
1744 [13:22:26] <MadHatter42> start the daemon in debug mode
1745 [13:22:35] <MadHatter42> and also the client in debug mode
1746 [13:22:38] <MadHatter42> and check what happens
1747 [13:22:47] <MadHatter42> it should be either -V or D
1748 [13:22:52] <cerealkiller> MadHatter42: locally, I'm a
newbie, could you tell me how do i do that?
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1750 [13:24:27] <MadHatter42> cerealkiller, is the machine near
you ?
1751 [13:24:37] <MadHatter42> or its a host somewhere
1752 [13:24:46] <MadHatter42> "near you" as in "do
you have kvm access"
1753 [13:24:48] <MadHatter42> ?
1754 [13:25:08] <cerealkiller> MadHatter42: I'm typing from
it right now
1755 [13:25:10] <jelly> cerealkiller: can you create a fresh user,
and see if that one can log in to a GUI session without issues?
1756 [13:25:29] <MadHatter42> cerealkiller, what do the logs say ?
1757 [13:25:40] <MadHatter42> i thought it was a server
1758 [13:26:31] <cerealkiller> How do I check? I am using the
terminal on another tty in order to talk to you right now
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1760 [13:27:02] <cerealkiller> No, it's not a server
it's my laptop I use daily, but I fiddled with it yesterday to
install xmonad, that might have messed something up
1761 [13:27:21] <jelly> cerealkiller: create a new user, switch
back to graphical login screen (typically on 7th virtual console, so
Alt-F7 or Ctrl-Alt-F7), try to log in
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1764 [13:28:15] <cerealkiller> Ok i'll try
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1775 [13:36:47] <cerealkiller> jelly: I created a new user, tried
to login with that one and the same loop occured
1776 [13:38:13] <jelly> cerealkiller: that's interesting.
You'll have to look at their ~user/.xsession-errors and at X
server log /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues
1777 [13:38:43] <cerealkiller> jelly: Will take a look at it but
probably can't paste it into a pastebin because i'm using
the terminal right now
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1786 [13:43:06] <cerealkiller> jelly: Could you please take a look
at this? :
replaced-url
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1788 [13:43:18] <jim> this is really weird... I have a message
that says syslog stopped on may 15th...
1789 [13:43:24] <cerealkiller> I'm using gnome, but as I said
i was fiddling with xmonad yesterday
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1792 [13:46:37] <jelly> cerealkiller: is that the old user or the
fresh user?
1793 [13:46:52] <cerealkiller> jelly: the old one
1794 [13:47:34] <jelly> cerealkiller: what about the new one?
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1796 [13:48:02] <cerealkiller> jelly: I forgot to check the log on
that one
1797 [13:48:18] <jelly> !pastebinit
1798 [13:48:18] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send
data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
users, you must "pastebinit -b
replaced-url
1799 [13:49:28] <cerealkiller> jelly: that's very
interesting, can i pipe the log to pastebinit?
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1804 [13:51:17] <cerealkiller> jelly: This is awkward , i created
a new user but it doesn't have a home folder, shouldn't
that create automatically?
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1810 [13:53:43] <jelly> cerealkiller: yes. What did you use,
adduser command or something else?
1811 [13:54:43] <jelly> if you used useradd, -m option has to be
specified
1812 [13:54:52] <tipo> "somebody probably slapped a
"quiet" onto the kernel command line in debian"
<<<---- Trying to make systemd, more verbios, what does
this mean?
1813 [13:54:56] <cerealkiller> jelly: yes, adduser, also
pastebinit returns only :
replaced-url
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1816 [13:55:27] <justatemp123> hey there
1817 [13:55:50] <justatemp123> is there any quick and dirty way to
get the current audio sample send to the master card?
1818 [13:56:28] <justatemp123> like, ultimately i want a 0-100%
value of the current true volume
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1820 [13:56:42] <justatemp123> or can you point me to a more
relevant channel
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1822 [13:57:08] <cerealkiller> jelly: I'll make a new user
with the -m option and try logging in with that and then i'll
pastebin the output of the log
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1837 [14:01:24] <cerealkill3r> jelly, I managed to login with this
new user that has a home directory created, what should i do now?
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1842 [14:02:53] <jelly> cerealkill3r: okay, so that means the
cause in something in your normal user's home, and not some
global setting
1843 [14:03:09] <cerealkill3r> jelly, Correct
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1846 [14:03:25] <jelly> cerealkill3r: I'd check stuff in
~/.xinit* and ~/.xsession*
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1853 [14:04:47] <cerealkill3r> jelly, you mean .xsessionrc ?
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1855 [14:05:05] <jelly> cerealkill3r: I don't remember the
exact filenames
1856 [14:05:09] <cerealkill3r> Ok
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1858 [14:05:51] <cerealkill3r> jelly, As i said i'm pretty
much a newbie, what should i look for? the content of them?
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1861 [14:06:32] <cerealkill3r> It shouldn't be a permission
problem as i've chowned my whole home directory to my user
1862 [14:07:03] <jelly> cerealkill3r: check which ones mention the
missing commands that appear in your log, and move them away
(temporarily)
1863 [14:07:14] <tipo> jelly, i have a bug to report. Debian
Jessie initiates the kernel with a "quiet" flag on boot.
makes things not show up when they hang on startup/shutdown
1864 [14:07:34] <jelly> !reportbug
1865 [14:07:34] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the
web,
replaced-url
1866 [14:08:10] <jelly> tipo: ^^ please read that, this channel
doesn't have an easier interface to report bugs.
1867 [14:08:54] <tipo> how do i properly edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
I can't find the kernel initiating details in /etc/grub.d/* or
/etc/default/grub
1868 [14:09:09] <jelly> tipo: /etc/default/grub, then run
update-grub
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1872 [14:09:48] <themill> "quiet" is probably the right
default though; be silent unless there is an error is, after all,
the unix principle, and it's not like it is difficult to change
this if you need to
1873 [14:09:50] <tipo> jelly, that file only has 5 uncommented
lines
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1875 [14:10:03] <jelly> tipo: do any of them mention
"quiet"?
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1877 [14:10:12] <tipo> jelly, no they do not
1878 [14:10:23] <tipo> jelly, wait, yes one does lol
1879 [14:12:16] <tipo> themill, it is glorious now. I disabled
quiet. this is glorious.
1880 [14:12:33] <tipo> themill, it brings tears to my eyes
1881 [14:13:14] <Kyoshiro> I upgraded a server to jessie and now
it does not bring up the eth links at boot
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1884 [14:13:33] <Kyoshiro> when I enable debug-shell and run ip
link set up eth0 / eth1 network comes up
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1887 [14:13:51] <Kyoshiro> before that it's in NO_CARRIER
mode
1888 [14:14:37] <Kyoshiro> (but IP is defined and routes too)
1889 [14:14:43] <jelly> tipo: I've removed that so long ago I
don't have a machine where to check default settings
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1891 [14:15:03] <tipo> jelly, fair enough!
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1893 [14:15:29] <cerealkill3r> jelly, Should I check those files
from my user? I can't use this one because it's not in the
sudoers file
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1895 [14:16:50] <cerealkill3r> I have no idea what can cause my
login loop on a specific user
1896 [14:16:51] <jelly> tipo: but have a free hint: 1) default
settings don't have to be valid for every deployment 2) they
CAN be changed and 3) unless you've done an exhaustive poll
don't assume what's best for your enviroment is
necessarily best for the whole of debian. You'll need lots of
very good arguments to convince a maintainer to change a default
1897 [14:17:09] <TheQuestionmark> You know what'd be awesome?
To have KDE5.x in Stable.
1898 [14:17:47] <themill> TheQuestionmark: you don't want
plasma 5 from 1½ years ago.
1899 [14:18:09] <jelly> cerealkill3r: um, you should check them on
the user that fails, not sure what you mean
1900 [14:18:18] <TheQuestionmark> Nah~ but I'd like to give
5.5 or 5.6 without going live or using VMs.
1901 [14:19:10] <cerealkill3r> jelly, I meant logged in with the
user that fails, from the console, not from the test one ( the one i
created for making sure it works and it's not a global thing)
1902 [14:19:56] <jelly> cerealkill3r: yeah, either root or the
very same user.
1903 [14:20:26] <cerealkill3r> ok
1904 [14:21:40] * tipo nods at jelly and points to trusted X being
forwarded by default x forwarding in ssh
1905 [14:21:55] <cerealkill3r> jelly, xsession tries to run xmonad
(which is no longer installed)
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1908 [14:22:12] <jelly> cerealkill3r: tell it not to?
1909 [14:22:33] <jelly> tipo: sorry?
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1911 [14:23:01] <cerealkill3r> I'll reboot and see if that
changed anything
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1915 [14:24:12] <tipo> jelly, ssh is run as -Y by default
1916 [14:24:33] <tipo> jelly, so if you enable X forwarding, you
are unknowingly also enabling -Y
1917 [14:24:35] <sela> Debian name comes from the word moron?
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1919 [14:24:50] <sela> Moron in russia -DebiL
1920 [14:25:07] <sela> DEBIL
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1923 [14:26:06] <Cerealkill3r> jelly, It worked!, now there's
just one little thing ,the theme is all messed up and my settings
are scrambled
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1927 [14:27:57] <Cerealkill3r> jelly, Thank you very much ! :)
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1935 [14:29:52] <sela> #Ubuntu
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1948 [14:34:04] <Azrael_-> hi
1949 [14:34:17] <Lightgaming> hi how are you guys?
1950 [14:34:27] <Azrael_-> starting from what number should i be
concerned regarding the load?
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1965 [14:39:34] <kmq> Azrael_-: this is good explaination
replaced-url
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2015 [15:00:46] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
2016 [15:01:14] <goldkatze> Did anyone manage to get PDF preview
in Dolphin fixed in current Testing?
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2018 [15:01:53] <markybob> goldkatze: wrong place. testing is in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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2024 [15:03:45] <goldkatze> Oh -- right, I'm sorry :-)
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2034 [15:06:55] <jelle> how would I define the version number for
a debian git based package?
2035 [15:07:21] <jelle> such as if I wanted to to package
systemd-git
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2041 [15:07:51] <jim> the commit hash is probably too long
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2062 [15:09:26] <jim> does the original tarball (one of the files
in there) have some sort of version?
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2082 [15:09:53] <Iridos> jelle, the official policy on versions is
here:
replaced-url
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2091 [15:10:31] <jelle> Iridos: hmmmmm thanks
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2096 [15:10:49] <jelle> jim: they do have a version, but I want to
add it to a repo
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2098 [15:11:03] <jelle> jim: so update nighlty for example
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2112 [15:11:55] <Iridos> jelle, wouldn't check-out-time be a
reasonable version (four-digit year first, followed by a two-digit
numeric month, followed by a two-digit numeric date)
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2125 [15:12:34] <Iridos> and maybe hours.minutes
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2137 [15:13:01] <jim> the changes you make and the diffs you
apply, you would explain those in the change log... and include the
commit hash in the change log too
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2176 [15:15:14] <jelle> Iridos: ok and I just append that with a
tilde or - ? For example if the base is 2.2.0 I just add
2.2.0~date.month
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2194 [15:16:38] <Iridos> jelle, oh, I thought you have no versoion
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2199 [15:16:58] <Iridos> jelle, there's more on the format if
you follow the link to 5.6.12
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2208 [15:17:36] <jim> I'd consider 2.2.0-yyyy-mm-dd or
2.2.0-yyyymmdd
2209 [15:17:39] <Iridos> but yeah, seems . + - : ~ should all work
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2265 [15:21:11] <jim> just recognize that when you change the
version number. you can be influencing the dependency tree
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2282 [15:25:48] <mirazi_heket> is it possible to mount samba share
with destination PC user as GID and UID?
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2289 [15:28:07] <RoyK> mirazi_heket: iirc there's a uid=,gid=
thing in the options
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2291 [15:28:25] <jelly> mirazi_heket: if you read mount.cifs,
there's a nounix mount option to disable unix extensions
(proper unix uid and gid management), and then you can use uid= and
gid= mount options as well
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2293 [15:28:36] <mirazi_heket> RoyK: already used that
2294 [15:28:36] <jelly> mount.cifs manual*
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2296 [15:28:56] <cubsfan22> hello
2297 [15:29:19] <mirazi_heket> jelly: No manual entry for
mount.cifs
2298 [15:29:36] <jelly> mirazi_heket: which debian release are you
using?
2299 [15:30:03] <RoyK> mirazi_heket: cifs-utils installed?
2300 [15:30:14] <cubsfan22> on my slackware kde desktop when i put
mouse arrow on top of screen the entire screen moves up and vice
versa for each direction how can i get my desktop stationary again
the cat soon was playing on it
2301 [15:30:36] <Iridos> can I use dpkg or judd to check for itps?
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2304 [15:31:04] <jelly> cubsfan22: try asking ##linux channel or
some support venue for Slackware. To get help in this channel you
need to run Debian
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2306 [15:31:24] <cubsfan22> oh my mistake
2307 [15:31:29] <DammitJim> man, I'm still looking at stuff
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2309 [15:31:32] <DammitJim> for logrotate
2310 [15:31:36] <cubsfan22> this pos auto connections
2311 [15:31:40] <jelly> np
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2314 [15:31:59] <DammitJim> I have found that I can rename a log
with logrotate to add the date
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2316 [15:32:11] <DammitJim> but can it be compressed after 7 days
and deleted after a month?
2317 [15:32:27] <menace> Hi, can i breakup/stop an apt/apt-get
update with APT::Update:: Pre-Invoke?
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2321 [15:34:11] <menace> so apt does not try to reach via http the
servers?
2322 [15:34:26] <themill> Iridos: /msg judd wnpp foo
2323 [15:34:27] <jelly> DammitJim: I think you can only
delaycompress for a single rotation (ie. one day if it rotates
daily)
2324 [15:34:54] <DammitJim> jelly, but if I have it set to weekly?
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2327 [15:35:05] <DammitJim> will it compress everything older than
7 days?
2328 [15:35:06] <jelly> DammitJim: then sure
2329 [15:35:12] <Iridos> ah yes, thanks
2330 [15:35:25] <DammitJim> and I won't need to do a
delaycompress, right?
2331 [15:35:25] <themill> np
2332 [15:35:43] <DammitJim> I'm asking 'cause I
don't want to loose a week before I can see any results :)
2333 [15:35:48] <themill> Iridos: it's doing string matching
against bug titles so as long as they follow the defined
conventions, it will work
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2335 [15:36:04] <jelly> DammitJim: it won't compress older
already existing logs, just the one whose turn it is to get
compressed
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2337 [15:36:21] <DammitJim> oh?
2338 [15:36:25] <Iridos> themill, it did :)
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2343 [15:38:01] <jelly> DammitJim: assuming you have options:
weekly, dateext, compress, delaycompress, and you have current log
and 3 older uncompressed ones with correct names
2344 [15:38:22] <DammitJim> well, let me pastebin this
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2346 [15:38:52] <DammitJim> what do we use here? debpaste?
2347 [15:39:11] <jelly> DammitJim: next time logrotate wants to
rotate, it will only compress the last -YYYYMMDD one, then rename
the current one to -YYYYMMDD, then create the new one.
2348 [15:39:20] <jelly> (or the app will create it)
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2351 [15:39:52] <jelly> paste.debian.net, but really any pastebin
is ok except ad-heavy pastebin.com
2352 [15:39:57] <DammitJim>
replaced-url
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2356 [15:40:24] <Iridos> of course, it revealed one of those many
sad stories, where someone filed an ITP (in 2011!), then lost
interest... then he's removed as owner 2 years later, then
there were license probems in the dependencies and some technical
problems, then it was forgotten again and it was 2016
2357 [15:40:29] <Iridos> meh.
2358 [15:40:36] <mirazi_heket> debian 8.1
2359 [15:40:38] <jelly> DammitJim: you really don't want to
/opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.*
2360 [15:40:47] <jelly> DammitJim: use
/opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log
2361 [15:40:48] <DammitJim> oh
2362 [15:40:57] <mirazi_heket> cifs-utils not installed since of
many dependencies conflict (its heavily used server so i wont touch
that)
2363 [15:41:08] <DammitJim> jelly, log4j does part of the log
rotation :(
2364 [15:41:17] <DammitJim> and log4j seems to be a piece of crap
from what I can tell
2365 [15:41:18] <mirazi_heket> anyway, case seems to be solved for
now
2366 [15:41:24] <mirazi_heket> thanks anyway
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2368 [15:41:30] <jelly> DammitJim: then you shouldn't use
logrotate at all.
2369 [15:41:39] <DammitJim> custom script?
2370 [15:41:55] <DammitJim> ok, I just ran logrotate for that
configuration and it compressed everything *sigh*
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2372 [15:41:58] <DammitJim> it didn't leave a week
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2375 [15:42:17] <jelly> DammitJim: just have two cron jobs, one to
find /opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.????-??-?? -mtime +7
-print0 | xargs -0 gzip
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2377 [15:42:37] <DammitJim> ugh... that's what I already had
2378 [15:42:41] <jelly> DammitJim: the other to delete olds. find
/opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.????-??-?? -mtime +30
-delete
2379 [15:42:45] <DammitJim> I wanted to use something more
built-in
2380 [15:42:51] <DammitJim> so, I guess I was doing it right
before
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2383 [15:43:06] <jelly> sorry. find
/opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.* -mtime +30 -delete
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2385 [15:43:17] <DammitJim> I just hate that the dev did one part,
but then I have to do the rest and he can't just take care of
it all or I can use a built-in feature of linux
2386 [15:43:31] <DammitJim> thanks jelly!
2387 [15:43:34] <DammitJim> sorry for venting
2388 [15:43:39] <jelly> DammitJim: since log4j already does
rotation, logrotate can't do its main thing
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2390 [15:44:32] <jelly> DammitJim: hey, I've seen much worse
from java apps. daily rotation and sane file names is comparatively
nice.
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2393 [15:44:46] <DammitJim> lol
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2395 [15:45:17] <jelly> the devs... they don't know better,
and usually noone told them either
2396 [15:45:18] <Iridos> "let us rotate every 23 hours"?
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2398 [15:46:08] <jim> how can I find out if I have and/or am
running grsec? also, how is it configured?
2399 [15:46:09] <jelly> Iridos: someone stole an hour from
Chri^H^H^H^HEaster!
2400 [15:46:16] <jelly> Day.
2401 [15:46:37] <jelly> jim: if you didn't install it
yourself, you don't
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2403 [15:47:06] <DammitJim> alright, back to my nice shell script,
then
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2405 [15:47:22] <DammitJim> btw, jelly, I should just put that
find script in cron, right?
2406 [15:47:35] <jim> what's a package name I could try? (I
don't think I installed it, and, this installation has lasted
me about 15 years or more)
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2408 [15:47:39] <jelly> DammitJim: yes. At least you can run it as
the app user not root.
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2410 [15:47:57] <jelly> jim: there's only a VERY fresh one in
sid.
2411 [15:48:23] <jim> no way did I install anything from sid,
especially a binary
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2414 [15:48:50] <jim> I'm presently running jessie (at 8.3)
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2416 [15:49:10] <jelly> jim: then you definitely don't have
grsec.
2417 [15:49:31] <jelly> uname -a usually has clues you have such a
patched kernel
2418 [15:49:33] <jim> so grsec is only in sid right now?
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2420 [15:50:05] <jelly> jim: yes. Grsecurity upstream recommends
everyone building their own kernel anyway.
2421 [15:50:31] <jim> my uname -a is "Linux orie
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29)
x86_64 GNU/Linux"
2422 [15:50:49] <jelly> that's a standard jessie distro
kernel
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2424 [15:50:58] <jim> yep\
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2427 [15:51:13] <jim> haven't built my own kernel in awhile
2428 [15:51:25] <jelly> ,v linux-image-grsec-amd64 --arch amd64
2429 [15:51:26] <judd> Package: linux-image-grsec-amd64 on amd64
-- sid: 7
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2431 [15:51:34] <jelly> lol, "7"
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userland at all?
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2447 [15:55:32] <cavr> Hi, one packaging question. I want to build
a specific driver in kernel backports. However the Makefile has no
DESTDIR and the installation will create stuff at
/lib/modules/<kernel name>/updates/. One solution is to use
checkinstall and create a deb, but is there another way like:
building a deb and setting its rules to manage a make install with
no DESTDIR?
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2465 [16:02:14] <jelly> jim: there are multiple tutorial styles
for rolling your own, personally I like
replaced-url
2466 [16:03:42] <jelly> jim: things WILL break. parts of libqt4
make KDE4 on jessie unusable under such a kernel, for example. No
modern browser with JIT VM for javascript will work, etc.
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2490 [16:13:35] <Cerealkill3r> Hey guys, quick question,
doesn't debian support kde 5 yet?
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2493 [16:14:22] <ksk> Cerealkill3r:
replaced-url
2494 [16:14:25] <awal1> In sid, yes
2495 [16:15:03] <Cerealkill3r> Oh I see, I wanted to change my
environment and thought i should give KDE a try, what do you guys
think/use?
2496 [16:15:09] <Iridos> if a quick question is only a quick
question if that implies a quick answer, we cannot say more now
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2500 [16:15:42] <rysiek|pl> Cerealkill3r: you can try Tanglu
2501 [16:15:52] <rysiek|pl> Cerealkill3r: it's debian-based,
and supports KDE5
2502 [16:15:54] <awal1> Cerealkill3r, almost all kde 5 stuff are
in sid yet, and maybe in testing. for stable, tehy will be available
for next stable release (stretch)
2503 [16:16:02] * rysiek|pl is playing with it a bit
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2505 [16:16:41] <Iridos> I don't know why people care about
desktops so much... they're just the thing you fill with
terminals until you cannot see the background
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2507 [16:16:47] <Darcidride> Hi, can someone help me ? Im a little
afraid about a mysql dump, i want to do a mysqldump
"online" and not "offline", is it possible
without problem/corruption issues ?
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2509 [16:17:27] <Iridos> Darcidride, I thought that's the
whole point about making a dump instead of just backing up the files
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2513 [16:18:30] <ksk> Darcidride: tables should be consistent, but
if you dump more then one db and want to have a stable state of all
that dbs you would have to use some magic like lvm-snapshots or stop
your app.
2514 [16:18:36] <Darcidride> well i didn't know that, i was
thinkind the mysqldump is the only tool to do mysql database backup
=)
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2516 [16:18:41] <Darcidride> thinking*
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2518 [16:19:18] <awal1> I want to copy my hidden directories &
files in my ~/ to a new directory (non hidden) excluding non hidden
ones (music, documents, downloads...). How?
2519 [16:19:21] <Darcidride> ksk, ubnfortunaly, it's not my
installation, and the filesystem isn't on LVM (that's
weird i know)
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2521 [16:20:03] <awal1> I know how to do a backup but not how to
exclude non hidden durring the process. looking for a nice command
2522 [16:20:07] <Iridos> right... I guess if you have dependencies
between multiple databases/tables, that can be out of sync, because
of course it takes time
2523 [16:20:08] <ksk> the dumps will "work" anyay, its
just like db1 ist from lets say 16:20 and db2 ist from 16:25 and so
on - so there is not a real consistent state for "all dbs"
- if thats no issue for you just go ahead and use basic mysqldump
2524 [16:20:09] <g00se> I'm connecting with Chrome via Tor.
Is it normal that the network config is grayed out? I want to check
that it IS using the proxy
2525 [16:20:27] <Iridos> but actual corruption as in half-written
entries, I cannot imagine
2526 [16:21:09] <ksk> g00se: iirc chrome uses the
"desktops" network settings nowadays - but I dont really
know what it does if your running linux ( never had a linux
desktop..)
2527 [16:21:18] <Iridos> awal1, why do you want to do that?
2528 [16:21:36] <awal1> Iridos, my mom asked me for that :D
2529 [16:21:42] <SerajewelKS> is there a upnp server in debian
that can manipulate ip6tables in addition to iptables?
2530 [16:21:43] <Iridos> errr...
2531 [16:21:57] <Iridos> awal1, that doesn't make sense!
2532 [16:22:02] <SerajewelKS> my policy is to only allow internet
ingress traffic to be forwarded for established connections
2533 [16:22:04] <ksk> awal1: you can alter bash globbing feature -
probably in a way to only glob for hidden files - go ask #bash :)
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2535 [16:22:09] <awal1> man, I have a lot of stuff configured, so
I wont repeat the process next time I install/reinstal debian
2536 [16:22:18] <Darcidride> Ok, thank you for your answers
2537 [16:22:22] <SerajewelKS> but i'd like to allow upnp
clients to open up holes in the ipv6 firewall in addition to the
ipv4 one
2538 [16:22:39] <SerajewelKS> currently i'm using linux-igd
which seems to lack ipv6 support
2539 [16:22:41] <Iridos> awal1, what's the point of having
non-hidden copies in a sub-directory
2540 [16:22:42] <g00se> chrom
--proxy-server=socks://localhost:9050 --incognito
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2541 [16:23:24] <Iridos> awal1, it's easy enough to do, but I
don't see any scenario in which that would make sense
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2545 [16:25:04] <zykotick9> g00se: i'd _guess_ using chrome
over tor wouldn't be something the tor-people would
recommend... a browser that tracks you, on tor a network attempting
to anonymize you... ymmv
2546 [16:25:09] <awal1> Iridos, I run some WM's and many cli
packages well configured at my way. ofcourse I can just copy the
config files, but I thought it may be interesting know how to copy
them via cli and exlude others non hidden
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2548 [16:25:46] <Iridos> awal1, didn't you also want to
remove the leading dot from them?
2549 [16:25:48] <awal1> ksk, ok, I'll investigate that
2550 [16:26:21] <awal1> Iridos, what you mean by that?
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2552 [16:26:35] <awal1> you mean remove the dot before/after
copying?
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2554 [16:26:47] <Iridos> awal1, just copying them to a
sub-directory is trivial: mkdir dotfiles; cp -a .[^.]* dotfiles;
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2558 [16:27:15] <Iridos> awal1, I thought you wanted in effect
something like cp .weechat dotfiles/weechat
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2560 [16:28:18] <g00se> zykotick9: You're probably right. In
this case, it's just for a bit of extra transport security
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2562 [16:28:58] <cavr> While building a deb package, what can one
do if the Makefile has no DESTDIR support?
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2564 [16:29:34] <awal1> Iridos, can you be more explicit about
".[^.]* dotfiles" what means, i meant
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2566 [16:29:49] <awal1> .[^.]* dotfiles
2567 [16:30:01] <cavr> is there a fake environment like fakeroot
where one can do a make install without writing in the system?
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2569 [16:30:03] <Iridos> awal1, dotfiles is the directory you copy
to, that's why there is a mkdir before that
2570 [16:30:07] <awal1> .[^.]* almost
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2572 [16:30:31] <awal1> yeah, I understand that , but .[^.]* ?
2573 [16:30:42] <Iridos> that's globbing :)
2574 [16:30:47] <awal1> heheh
2575 [16:31:12] <awal1> ok. I'll try all that in my VT
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2577 [16:31:21] <awal1> VM ^
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2580 [16:31:46] <hypermist> that moment no apt-* commands work
2581 [16:31:52] <hypermist> yet you have deb
replaced-url
2582 [16:31:52] <hypermist> deb
replaced-url
2583 [16:31:52] <hypermist> ~
2584 [16:31:52] <hypermist> ~
2585 [16:31:52] <hypermist> in your .list
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2589 [16:32:01] <hypermist> whoops
2590 [16:32:07] <hypermist> didn't know that was gunna double
line
2591 [16:32:30] <tydel> that moment no apt-* commands work and you
realize you're on a CentOS box
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2593 [16:32:58] <Iridos> awal1, man bash, then enter (that
searches for "Pattern matching" at the beginning of the
line): /^ *Pattern Matching
2594 [16:33:10] <hypermist> tydel, its debian
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2596 [16:33:21] <hypermist> but none of my apt-get commands work
they say not a command or package not found
2597 [16:33:30] <hypermist> yet my sources are in the sources.list
files
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2599 [16:33:40] <Iridos> awal1, you should already know *, [] is
explained there, als what [^...] means
2600 [16:34:36] <Iridos> awal1, in short: this would be .* (.,
then any characters), but that would match .. which you don't
want
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2604 [16:35:06] <awal1> Iridos, ok, ok. I'll lokk at that
closely. thanks
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2606 [16:35:41] <tydel> hypermist: check your path? type: which
apt-get
2607 [16:35:58] <awal1> every time I check man bash or man xterm I
have a headache. so too extensive the man and I'm just lost :D
2608 [16:36:00] <hypermist> ./usr/bin/apt-get
2609 [16:36:37] <tydel> what does it actually say when you run it?
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2612 [16:37:16] <hypermist> it gives the output of the command
uses tydel
2613 [16:37:52] <tydel> yet you say: "they say not a command
or package not found"
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2620 [16:39:48] <hypermist> tydel, yea because apt-update doesnt
work nor does installing a package with it
2621 [16:40:01] <hypermist> going apt-get install node goes
package not found for npm nano all
2622 [16:40:01] <hypermist> xD
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2625 [16:40:31] <jelly> ,v node
2626 [16:40:32] <judd> Package: node on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.3.2-7.1; jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4
2627 [16:40:58] <hypermist> well im using debian 7 x86_64
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2629 [16:41:00] <hypermist> so
2630 [16:41:04] <jelly> hypermist: pastebin the output of
"apt-get update; apt-get install node"
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2632 [16:41:12] <jelly> ,v node --arch amd64
2633 [16:41:13] <judd> Package: node on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.3.2-7.1; jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4
2634 [16:41:17] <jelly> same thing
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2636 [16:41:30] <hypermist> hah im a derp for the apt-get update
2637 [16:41:40] <hypermist> i was doing that command wrong first
of all
2638 [16:41:40] <hypermist> :D
2639 [16:41:57] <jmcnaught> hypermist: do you want node the ham
radio software, or node.js? read the package descriptions first
2640 [16:42:02] <hypermist> well it works now that i did the right
commands jmcnaught >_.
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2642 [16:42:18] <hypermist> im a derp sometimes
2643 [16:42:19] <jelly> jmcnaught: he mentioned npm so...
2644 [16:42:54] <jelly> "node" is probably the wrong
thing to install :-)
2645 [16:43:05] <hypermist> i needed node and npm :p
2646 [16:43:09] <jelly> hypermist: apt-cache show node
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2648 [16:43:19] <jmcnaught> jelly: that's why i asked
2649 [16:43:21] <hypermist> its alright now jelly its fixed
2650 [16:43:25] <hypermist> Im a derp i mucked up commands..
2651 [16:43:26] <jelly> hypermist: look carefully at the
description
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2654 [16:44:45] <jelly> ,v nodejs
2655 [16:44:46] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.0~dfsg-1; experimental: 5.8.0~dfsg-1
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2659 [16:47:16] <jelly> hypermist: then look at the description of
the package named like ^^
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2662 [16:47:56] <hypermist> jelly, nah its the fact that i was
typing apt-update
2663 [16:47:59] <hypermist> and not apt-get UPDATE
2664 [16:48:00] <hypermist> >->
2665 [16:48:06] <hypermist> meaning it didn't get to pull
package info
2666 [16:48:10] <hypermist> then i could use apt-get install npm
xD
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2670 [16:49:37] <jmcnaught> hypermist: i guess if you install npm
it will pull in nodejs. the point trying to be made above is that
the package "node" in Debian is amateur radio software.
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2673 [16:50:46] <jelly> ,v npm --arch amd64
2674 [16:50:47] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch:
1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
2675 [16:51:02] <jelly> it's not going to pull anything from
Debian for wheezy anyway
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2677 [16:51:15] <g00se> \quit
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2688 [16:52:43] <kion> how can you change your OS from stable to
test?
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2697 [16:54:31] <somiaj> kion: why do you want to do that? If you
have to ask the answer should be you probabaly dont' want to
run testing.
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2707 [16:56:24] <sypher> kion: You don't want to run testing.
Period. There is almost never a good reason to do so.
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2709 [16:56:35] <sypher> kion: What problem are you running into
that's making you consider it?
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2711 [16:57:45] <somiaj> there are good reasons to run testing,
such as you want to test debian and submit good bug reports when
bugs are found. Though it is usually required you understand how
debian works before you go and run testing
2712 [16:58:25] <kion> somiaj, sypher, Not really considering,
just wanted to learn how the package manager works.....
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2715 [16:59:39] <kion> sypher, I have stable with some programs
backported so I am actually in love with my system the way it is...
it is just that I have seen people saying they run testing and so
forth, and wanted to learn how to make the change
2716 [16:59:54] <sypher> kion: Do it in a VM. :)
2717 [16:59:55] <kion> sypher, but I am not going to do it, at
least on my production computer
2718 [17:00:02] <sypher> kion: Ah, okay. Fair enough.
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2720 [17:00:57] <somiaj> kion: testing doesn't run that
differently than stable, you just need to change your sources.list
to point to stretch and not jessie.
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2723 [17:01:35] <somiaj> kion: the hard part is ensuring the
upgrading of the packages goes smoothly and until the freeze and
release notes there isn't much documentation on what sort of
known issues one should be aware of.
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2725 [17:01:42] <jmcnaught> kion: reading the upgrade instructions
in the jessie release notes gives a pretty good idea of what's
involved with upgrading to a new major release if you want a
detailed overview (some details will be specific to the
wheezy->jessie upgrade though)
2726 [17:01:47] <somiaj> kion: so the more packages you have
installed, the more likely you are to experience an upgrade bug.
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2728 [17:02:05] <kion> somiaj, Got It ! thanks that is what I
suspected but wanted to learn
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2730 [17:02:56] <kion> jmcnaught, where can I read those upgrade
instructions or release notes?
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2738 [17:04:10] <Ulrar> Hi, there is no way to get ssh on the
rescue mode of the CD ?
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2740 [17:04:22] <jelly> !jessie release notes
2741 [17:04:22] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8
"Jessie" are at
replaced-url
2742 [17:04:33] <jelly> kion: ^^
2743 [17:04:38] <Ulrar> I recreated the partitions and now I need
to import the backup from the backup server, but doesn't look
like there is an ssh daemon on the rescue CD
2744 [17:04:39] <kion> thanks guys!
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2747 [17:05:33] <jelly> Ulrar: if you're using the live cd
image, you can install openssh-server if it's not there already
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2749 [17:06:23] <Ulrar> Doesn't look like there is apt-get
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2752 [17:06:39] <Ulrar> There is apt-install, don't know what
that is, but it doesn't output much
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2754 [17:06:49] <jelly> hum, which image did you boot?
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2762 [17:08:08] <Ulrar> jessie netinst
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2765 [17:08:15] <Ulrar> the x86_64 version
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2767 [17:08:35] <jelly> Ulrar: also what kind of hardware do you
have? I like grml.org live cd for recovery purposes, but 2014.03
version boots more reliably than the latest
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2770 [17:09:00] <Ulrar> jelly: A proxmox VM :)
2771 [17:09:06] <Ulrar> so KVM
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2774 [17:09:28] <jelly> netinst doesn't really have a useful
environment for anything else than installing, or mounting an
existing system to fix it
2775 [17:09:28] <Ulrar> Yeah, guess I'll download another
recovery, but I was surprised the debian
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2779 [17:09:38] <jelly> it's the installer image.
2780 [17:09:48] <Ulrar> Having SSH in rescue mode wouldn't
feel out of place, I think
2781 [17:09:51] <jelly> debian also has a separate live image.
2782 [17:10:03] <Ulrar> Yeah, I'll use system rescue I guess
2783 [17:10:07] <jelly> right
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2789 [17:13:53] <Ghostbird> Hey guys, why does spamd install a
spamd-debian user, but still run as root? When I try to fix this, it
appears to ignore the options set in /etc/default/spamassassin
options
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2791 [17:14:31] <SerajewelKS> i have a bridge containing eth3 and
a tun (VPN) interface. for some reason, my ip6tables rule '-A
INPUT -i br0 -j ACCEPT' is NOT matching incoming traffic on the
tun interface, but it IS matching incoming traffic on the eth3
interface
2792 [17:14:32] <Ghostbird> s/spamd-debian/debian-spamd/
2793 [17:14:38] <SerajewelKS> i see log messages that input from
the tun interface is denied
2794 [17:14:45] <SerajewelKS> why wouldn't it be coming
"in" on br0?
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2796 [17:14:59] <SerajewelKS> note that iptables doesn't show
this behavior for traffic coming in over the tun interface, only
ip6tables
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2798 [17:16:02] <SerajewelKS> oh hmm, the tun interface has a
link-local address
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2800 [17:16:16] <SerajewelKS> is that normal behavior for an
interface that is part of a bridge?
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2807 [17:17:17] <kion> SerajewelKS, when you put the -A on your
rule, it appends it at the end of your rules, maybe there is another
rule appearing first that may be denying the access to those packets
2808 [17:17:26] <SerajewelKS> kion: there is not
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2810 [17:17:58] <SerajewelKS> the first two rules are -i lo -j
ACCEPT and -i br0 -j ACCEPT
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2812 [17:18:09] <SerajewelKS> it seems the problem is that the tun
interface has acquired its own link-local address !?
2813 [17:18:13] <SerajewelKS> even though it's part of a
bridge
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2816 [17:18:43] <module000> SerajewelKS: openvpn TUN interface?
2817 [17:18:49] <SerajewelKS> module000: tinc
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2819 [17:19:02] <SerajewelKS> the physical interface in the bridge
(eth3) doesn't have a link-local address
2820 [17:19:13] <module000> SerajewelKS: set your FD on the bridge
to 0, down/up the member interfaces, and try again
2821 [17:19:27] <module000> if ip6tables gives you anymore
inconsistency, dump ipv6 from all 3 interfaces(eth/tun/br) and try
again
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2827 [17:20:13] <module000> SerajewelKS: it's possible the
program creating your TUN interface is assigning the address before
enslaving it to the bridge as well
2828 [17:20:17] <SerajewelKS> module000: # brctl setfd br0 0
--> set forward delay failed: Numerical result out of range
2829 [17:20:21] <kion> SerajewelKS, If there are no other
interfaces, maybe you can refer to it as "not eth0 and not
lo" to have the match you are looking for, this is not elegant
solution but might work
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2831 [17:20:43] <module000> SerajewelKS: that's odd, you
could tell it 1, but 0 is valid
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2833 [17:20:56] <SerajewelKS> module000: 1 fails with the same
message
2834 [17:21:09] <SerajewelKS> 2 is the lowest value i can use,
apparently
2835 [17:21:15] <module000> SerajewelKS: something else is wrong,
that's very unusual
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2837 [17:21:37] <SerajewelKS> module000: stock debian kernel
3.16.0-4-686 :/
2838 [17:21:47] <module000> SerajewelKS: try setting the FD with
the bridge interface down. worst case...unjoin the interfaces from
the bridge, kill the bridge, create the bridge, set the FD, enslave
the interfaces
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2841 [17:22:26] <SerajewelKS> module000: FWIW i get the same
message when using "bridge_fd 0" in interfaces, which
(IIRC) should be set before enslaving interfaces?
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2843 [17:22:49] <module000> SerajewelKS: i've always set them
before i add interfaces, but i'm unsure if that is required or
not
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2852 [17:25:51] <SerajewelKS> module000: tried it with all
interfaces removed and the bridge down, setfd 0 still fails
2853 [17:26:25] <module000> SerajewelKS: i'm running out of
ideas, my only completely unknown is with tinc(i've never used
it), but it seems sane enough from reading, nothing jumps out that
could be causing this
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2859 [17:27:50] <SerajewelKS> module000: apparently setfd 0 works
if i delbr;addbr first
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2862 [17:28:08] <SerajewelKS> anyway i'm not sure how the fd
explains the enslaved interface having a separate link-local ipv6
address
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2865 [17:28:28] <module000> SerajewelKS: that part is strange, it
shouldn't automatically get an address unless you do that
deliberately in your conf
2866 [17:28:53] <module000> SerajewelKS: from tinc docs... there
is an option "Forwarding = kernel", you have that option?
that's the only one i can find that would screw this up...it
would bypass the bridge
2867 [17:28:54] <SerajewelKS> module000: i mean br0 gets a
link-local address even though i never assign it one
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2870 [17:29:34] <SerajewelKS> module000: my up script for the tinc
interface is "brctl addif br0 $INTERFACE && ip link set
dev $INTERFACE up"
2871 [17:29:39] <module000> SerajewelKS: if the link-local address
is causing a problem, you could also try just removing it and seeing
if there is any change. ie `ip addr del foo.bar.baz/fum dev br0`
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2879 [17:30:53] <module000> SerajewelKS: this is the
"Forwarding" option from the tinc docs I saw that stood
out. Not sure if you have this enabled or not, but the description
makes it sound dubious
2880 [17:30:56] <module000> SerajewelKS:
replaced-url
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2883 [17:31:22] <SerajewelKS> module000: when i remove the
link-local address, the input denial log messages do go away
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2886 [17:31:35] <module000> SerajewelKS: well that's a good
sign :) at least a change is effected
2887 [17:31:42] <SerajewelKS> interestingly, the source address
that is being logged is the link-local address on that interface
2888 [17:31:57] <SerajewelKS> so the kernel is rejecting a
broadcast packet that it sent to itself?
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2890 [17:32:02] * SerajewelKS scratches his head
2891 [17:32:11] <module000> it's definitely not the norm that
i was expecting
2892 [17:32:18] <SerajewelKS> OTOH we do need '-A INPUT -i lo
-j ACCEPT'
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2894 [17:32:26] <SerajewelKS> so i guess that's consistent at
least
2895 [17:32:36] <SerajewelKS> still i didn't think that a
machine would receive its own broadcasts
2896 [17:32:39] <cavr> While building a deb package, what can one
do if the Makefile has no DESTDIR support? Is there a fake
environment like fakeroot where one can do a make install without
overwriting system files? (changing the Makefile in this case is no
solution, too complex)
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2898 [17:32:53] <jmcnaught> For something installed to /usr/local,
should I configure logs to go in /var/local/log or would
/var/log/local be a better place?
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2904 [17:33:41] <SerajewelKS> module000: i don't specify the
forwarding option in tinc.conf, so i guess the default of internal
is used
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2907 [17:34:03] <SerajewelKS> i wonder if this is a quirk of
tun/tap, that a tun interface magically gets a link-local address
when it is created
2908 [17:34:04] <module000> SerajewelKS: ok, was a shot in the
dark
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2912 [17:34:17] <SerajewelKS> i mean physical interfaces do,
right?
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2914 [17:34:31] <SerajewelKS> it seems the difference is that when
you add a physical interface to a bridge, the link-local address is
removed automatically?
2915 [17:34:38] <module000> SerajewelKS: yea they do, i was just
looking at my tun interfaces to be sure - no link local addy's
2916 [17:34:51] <module000> i have some that are bridged, some
that aren't also
2917 [17:34:54] <SerajewelKS> is there a userland utility to
create/delete tun interfaces?
2918 [17:34:59] <SerajewelKS> so i can test?
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2921 [17:35:29] <module000> sure, it's `tunctl`
2922 [17:35:57] <SerajewelKS> guess i need to install it
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2925 [17:37:15] <AvatarA> "ip tunnel"?
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2927 [17:37:33] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, i put all my logs in
/var/log/ i think i would forget if i put them somewhere else x)
2928 [17:37:37] <SerajewelKS> module000: maybe i'm obtuse,
but i can't see how to create tun devices with tunctl, only tap
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2930 [17:38:02] <grawity> ip tuntal add dev foo mode tun
2931 [17:38:04] <grawity> ip tuntap*
2932 [17:38:18] <SerajewelKS> grawity: neat. thanks.
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2935 [17:38:57] <SerajewelKS> yeah it doesn't have a
link-local address
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2937 [17:38:59] <SerajewelKS> tinc must be adding it
2938 [17:39:18] <grawity> it does when you bring it up
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2940 [17:39:22] <julius> if xv video output isnt working, is
"mesa" a candidate to update? looks more like its for 3d
2941 [17:39:34] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: thanks. i'm just
trying to make sure my local logs don't conflict with logs from
packages
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2943 [17:39:50] <julius> jmcnaught, put them in a different dir...
2944 [17:39:58] <SerajewelKS> grawity: shouldn't adding the
interface to a bridge then remove the link-local address?
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2946 [17:40:41] <jelly> julius: it depends. can you get opengl
output working instead?
2947 [17:40:49] <jelly> julius: which video app?
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2949 [17:41:05] <jmcnaught> julius: i think i'm going to put
them in /var/local/log because this seems consistent with /usr vs
/usr/local to me
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2951 [17:41:14] <julius> mplayer on a i5-6200u (skylake)
2952 [17:41:23] <jelly> julius: jessie?
2953 [17:41:28] <julius> jmcnaught, sure...~ is a optin too
2954 [17:41:30] <julius> yes
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2956 [17:41:31] <julius> 8.3
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2960 [17:41:54] <jelly> julius: you probably need everything from
jessie-backports, the kernel, mesa, and video-intel
2961 [17:42:05] <julius> i got the rest, mesa too?
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2963 [17:42:17] <jelly> by "mesa" I mean libgl1-mesa-dri
2964 [17:42:26] <julius> yes, there are many packages...pk
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2966 [17:43:08] <SerajewelKS> module000 / grawity: interesting, i
put some logging lines in my up script. first i "brctl
addif" then i bring the interface up. it acquires a link-local
address immediately after being brought up.
2967 [17:43:13] <jelly> julius: but definitely make sure you have
the right xserver-xorg-video-intel
2968 [17:43:17] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
2969 [17:43:18] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64
-- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2;
wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie:
2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
2:2.99.917+git20160307-2; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2
2970 [17:43:20] <SerajewelKS> even though it is in a bridge
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2972 [17:43:39] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, i don't think it
would conflict. but making sure doesn't hurt i guess.
2973 [17:43:49] <julius> yes, its the newest jelly
2974 [17:43:50] <SerajewelKS> if i reverse the order of those
statements (bring it up and then put it in the bridge) it still
retains its link-local address
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2976 [17:44:05] <SerajewelKS> i'm very confused why this same
issue doesn't occur with my physical interface also in the
bridge
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2978 [17:44:33] <SerajewelKS> i can fix it by adding "ip addr
flush dev $INTERFACE" at the end of my up script. i'm just
confused why this is necessary in the first place.
2979 [17:44:35] <cisc0> hello :)
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2984 [17:46:22] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: this is me installing
redmine from source because the packaged version isn't
compatible with a plugin i need to use, however i'm having
second thoughts about installing stuff from bundler after reading
about the left-pad npm crap happening right now. anyways thanks for
the feedback :)
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2993 [17:49:56] * TomTomTosch hisses at the offending ticket system that
is the bane of his existence
2994 [17:49:57] <Iridos> +
2995 [17:50:00] <Iridos> +
2996 [17:50:04] <Iridos> wtf
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3000 [17:52:19] <julius> jelly, now mplayer fullscreen does not
put the video in fullscreen (which it didnt before either) but the
space between the video playing and the rest of the screen is blue
;)
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3004 [17:53:49] <jelly> julius: use mpv, mplayer is rather
outdated and buggy
3005 [17:54:21] <julius> ok
3006 [17:54:31] <jelly> there're some syntax changes but not
too many
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3009 [17:55:02] <jelly> "please don't use -ss, we think
--start is so much nicer"
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3019 [17:56:48] <jonathan_x> If you are copying to a host that is
CPU limited, and SCP is doing 7 MB/s because of that, and rsync is
doing about 14 MB/s because of that, what would you recommend? The
network can handle at least 22MB/s.
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3026 [17:57:58] <jonathan_x> Actually the transfer goes up to
60MB/s to a Windows host from that same limited server.
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3032 [17:59:38] <jonathan_x> I tested nc (netcat) but it appears
as though it also did about 14MB/s and it was pretty hard to use
without some superior script.
3033 [17:59:42] <epsilon> is encryption of the transfer required?
3034 [17:59:46] <jonathan_x> no
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3036 [18:00:28] <epsilon> then pick any file transfer ethod...
FTP, rsync, Samba, NFS etc
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3038 [18:00:35] <theseb> Help! How make a program start after log
in WITHOUT a gui desktop or X
3039 [18:00:38] <theseb> Windows....I have a little text based
linux box and I've tried adding
3040 [18:00:42] <theseb> "cat /etc/fstab" to
$HOME/.zprofile, $HOME/.zprofile and $HOME/.zshrc but when I
3041 [18:00:44] <theseb> log into to terminal I STILL don't
see the /etc/fstab contents barfs to the
3042 [18:00:47] <theseb> screen. WHY?
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3044 [18:01:48] <epsilon> is your default shell zsh?
3045 [18:01:57] <grawity> maybe you are using bash
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3047 [18:02:13] <theseb> grawity: hmmm...
3048 [18:02:16] <epsilon> if bash, try that with .bashrc (default
of debian)
3049 [18:02:22] <grawity> .bash_profile rather
3050 [18:02:30] <epsilon> ack
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3054 [18:03:06] <theseb> oh crap...you're right....I did env
and it says SHELL=/bin/bash
3055 [18:03:12] <epsilon> but good question, what's the
fastest way to determinate current shell?
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3057 [18:03:13] <theseb> let me try what you said...
3058 [18:03:15] <grawity> ps $$
3059 [18:03:39] <epsilon> wow
3060 [18:03:52] <epsilon> that was fast answer...
3061 [18:04:00] <grawity> you asked for fast
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3063 [18:04:23] <theseb> epsilon, grawity: you guys are
brilliant.....it worked! thanks!
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3067 [18:07:32] <epsilon> grawity: google doesn't help,
what's $$ stands for?
3068 [18:07:50] <grawity> shell variable for the shell's own
PID
3069 [18:07:56] <grawity> `man bash`
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3073 [18:10:53] <jonathan_x> epsilon: ftp now does about 27 MB/s
write to the server but I now notice that the Windows host (samba)
also writes at about 30 MB/s so that should be the same. Apparently
writing to it is slower than reading.
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3076 [18:11:18] <epsilon> and encryption is slowing down probably
3077 [18:11:54] <jonathan_x> epsilon: so I now have 7 MB/s scp, 14
MB/s rsync without ssh, actually rsync wasn't doing encryption
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3081 [18:12:24] <jonathan_x> encryption would definitely slow it
down.
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3084 [18:12:45] <epsilon> if the write/read speed differs,
it's probably spindle disk, and also high level RAID such as 5
or 6 may also slow down at write
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3087 [18:13:55] <laidback_01> wait, wait, rsync totally depends on
SSH. you can't use rsync without inherently using SSH, can you?
3088 [18:14:00] <laidback_01> ... going to google that.
3089 [18:14:07] <grawity> of course you can use rsync without ssh
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3091 [18:14:13] <jonathan_x> you have to use rsync:// as the
protocol prefix.
3092 [18:14:28] <jonathan_x> otherwise it will default to SSH (
and I get errors on this thing ).
3093 [18:14:43] <epsilon> uhm... no AFAIK?
3094 [18:14:58] <grawity> a) you can have it talk to a remote
rsync over e.g. oldschool rsh, b) it has a dedicated daemon mode for
anonymous rsync over raw tcp
3095 [18:14:59] <laidback_01> oh, right you can change the remote
shell
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3097 [18:15:02] <laidback_01> with -- rsh
3098 [18:15:19] <grawity> I'm guessing jonathan_x meant
direct TCP
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3102 [18:15:57] <laidback_01> if you are worried if it's
drive speed or not, try using a ram drive.
3103 [18:16:12] <jonathan_x> I use just rsync -aPh file
rsync://user@host:share/ and on the remote host there is no ssh
daemon visible in top, only rsyncd.
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3105 [18:16:33] <epsilon> I know of using ssh/rsync: rsync ... -e
'ssh <options>' <remote path> <local
path>
3106 [18:16:35] <laidback_01> if you share out your ram drive
(freeware for windows and it's easy to do in linux), then you
can determine if it's cpu/protocol bound or if it's drive
IO that's at the heart of the issue.
3107 [18:17:12] <laidback_01> jonathan_x, that method is using ssh
as the remote shell by default
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3109 [18:18:30] <jonathan_x> doesn't have enough ram for
that, but it doesn't matter, 30 MB/s writes is enough, ftp also
does 53 MB/s reads so it is a slight bit slower than samba, but
almost the same.
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3113 [18:18:50] <jonathan_x> laidback_01: if you say so, I just
think it directly connects to rsync daemon, but maybe you are right.
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3116 [18:20:16] <laidback_01> jonathan_x, well, I certainly hope
it does, been using rsync/scp for a while now with default settings.
if those aren't using ssh by default, wow will I be embarrassed
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3119 [18:21:32] <jonathan_x> If you use rsync:// it will connect
to a daemon directly without using a remote shell (port 873) and the
paths on the remote server in this case turn into module names.
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3130 [18:24:05] <jonathan_x> My nas has it configured by default
that the shares are all the same for all access methods, so whether
you use rsync://, or ftp, or samba, you get the same shares visible
(modules).
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3135 [18:24:47] <jonathan_x> using scp however you have access to
the full path and not just the modules, so what is /backup in
rsync://, is /store/backup for scp, for instance (because that is
the full path to it)
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3144 [18:26:19] <jonathan_x> I couldn't or can't get it
working with SSH though (over rsync) so I've always had to open
a VPN to that thing before I could rsync to it because the rsync
port is not exposed (but ssh was at port 80).
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3149 [18:27:20] <TheReverend403> Hey, does anyone know how to
actually, completely disable systemd-modules-load.service
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3152 [18:27:54] <TheReverend403> It's a bit useless on a
static kernel
3153 [18:28:29] <jonathan_x> even now whatever I do I get
"sending incremental file list / ERROR: module is read
only" when I use without the rsync:// prefix.
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3162 [18:30:19] <laidback_01> jonathan_x, well, all I can do is
look at it with tcpdump, and I can't tell one bit of difference
between using ssh and rsync. as far as how it looks in the tcpdump
that is.
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3164 [18:30:43] <laidback_01> granted, I'm *not* using an
intentional daemon, but I think you don't need to to get away
from ssh.
3165 [18:30:54] <laidback_01> going to try and sort out how to do
this without ssh crypto
3166 [18:31:52] <laidback_01> Oh... difference is in the amount of
'colons' used
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3168 [18:32:00] <laidback_01> using two :: indicates using a
daemon
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3170 [18:32:06] <laidback_01> using one : indicates using remote
shell
3171 [18:32:19] <laidback_01> okay, I've been uing the remote
shell method forever.
3172 [18:32:26] <jonathan_x> grawity said you can use rsh
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3174 [18:32:53] <jonathan_x> but it's either that or the
daemon, if you use a shell it fill fire up the program, not the
daemon.
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3176 [18:33:02] <jonathan_x> will*
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3178 [18:33:05] <laidback_01> yeah, you can spec like rsync -avz
--rsh=rsh source/ user@server:source/
3179 [18:33:19] <jelly> noone uses rsh any more
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3182 [18:34:04] <jonathan_x> you could if you had troubles with
ssh and there was no daemon available, so that's a no go.
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3184 [18:34:15] <laidback_01> no, I know. I use rsync as such:
rsync -avzpog yEd/ jax@server:~/test/ and it's using ssh as the
shell. so that's how I've always been using it, and
it's reasonably safe.
3185 [18:34:46] <jonathan_x> yeah that's no problem, it just
doesn't work for me with this thing. Besides, it would use
encryption and throw down the transfer speed too.
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3188 [18:35:02] <laidback_01> apparently, if I setup a server on
the remote host I can use it with two :: and I'd be talking to
the daemon directly.
3189 [18:35:03] <jelly> you need plaintext, create an
/etc/rsyncd.conf and a secrets file and bring the service up
3190 [18:35:06] <laidback_01> never have wanted a server.
3191 [18:35:32] <laidback_01> never have wanted an *rsync* server
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3195 [18:36:02] <jonathan_x> Like I said, I already have that, but
you may not be able to determine that about the server if it's
not your server, etc. etc.
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3197 [18:36:51] <laidback_01> yeah, sorry. I just became concerned
- based on things you were saying - that I was using non-encrypted
connections all the while believing that I was. so had to validate
through testing.
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3204 [18:38:16] <jonathan_x> I meant jelly. But in any case, nice
for you to find out then, I was able to test that there is no
problem in my wiring now as well.
3205 [18:38:47] <jonathan_x> I had a wall socket and some of those
say that they only support 100mbit and not 1 gigabit, but I still
get 60MB/s down so that's good.
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3207 [18:41:34] <jonathan_x> but even between two fast systems scp
is limited to 15MB/s, well in any case thanks for the help.
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3210 [18:41:54] <grawity> what about sftp, then
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3214 [18:43:13] <jonathan_x> 6 mb/s download from the slow server
to the debian box.
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3217 [18:44:48] <jonathan_x> so that's like 10x slower than
ftp ;-) :).
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3229 [18:48:25] <Walakea> should i install debian jessie with
btrfs?
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3232 [18:48:56] <cisc0> Walakea: with GNU/Linux impossible is
nothing :D
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3234 [18:49:27] <jelly> Walakea: if you have to ask, the answer is
probably "no"
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3245 [18:53:08] <Walakea> will i be able to restore partition
image on a partition which will host the running OS?
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3249 [18:53:38] <teraflops> jonathan_x: if you find sftp/ssh slow
there are a set of hi perf patches for ssh here:
replaced-url
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3251 [18:54:15] <Urchin> Walakea: no
3252 [18:54:26] <lordarkmemo> there is a better alternative that
ssh forwarding to bypass firewall?
3253 [18:54:26] <Urchin> wait, wrong question
3254 [18:54:48] <teraflops> jonathan_x: I do it on debian servers,
via apt-get the source package and some quilt magic
3255 [18:54:57] <lordarkmemo> right now im bypassing my company
firewall using ssh -D
3256 [18:55:27] <lordarkmemo> but i dont know if is the best way
3257 [18:55:33] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: you mean tunnelling
right.
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3259 [18:55:42] <Walakea> so how does windows do it?
3260 [18:55:48] <lordarkmemo> yes
3261 [18:56:04] <teraflops> lordarkmemo: use openvpn?
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3263 [18:56:35] <lordarkmemo> not yet.
3264 [18:56:44] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: I myself have had to
tunnel ssh over port 80, and forward 1194 so that I could get VPN,
after that no more issues (in that sense).
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3267 [18:57:17] <jonathan_x> teraflops: thanks, I was strangely
already aware of that (was reading a web page that referenced it).
3268 [18:57:18] <teraflops> you can do e.g openvpn over udp port
53
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3270 [18:57:46] <jonathan_x> that's dns right
3271 [18:58:13] <teraflops> jonathan_x: i can share my experience
on using that set of patches: it just fucking fly :P
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3273 [18:58:24] <jonathan_x> :)
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3275 [18:58:59] <jonathan_x> teraflops: but that means you need it
on both systems right. The NAS is an arm thing with a rather
difficulty in doing anything ;-).
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3277 [18:59:07] <teraflops> jonathan_x: yeah
3278 [18:59:13] <lordarkmemo> jonathan im confuse with vpn. I dont
get the same that ssh?
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3280 [18:59:38] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: if you can use VPN
directly on port 53 as suggested (that may be open to you)
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3282 [18:59:46] <teraflops> jonathan_x: you need it on both sides
3283 [18:59:52] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: or after an ssh tunnel
3284 [19:00:06] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: the VPN will forward
your traffic onto the internet and then you have full access.
3285 [19:00:33] <teraflops> jonathan_x: what os/distro does the
nas run?
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3289 [19:01:07] <jonathan_x> teraflops: that's ... I
don't know what it is based on. It is the Synology DiskStation.
3290 [19:01:09] <lordarkmemo> jonathan im tunneling with ssh to my
router at home. So i already have access to internet. What is the
purpose of vpn so?
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3292 [19:01:19] <teraflops> jonathan_x: ah hmm
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3298 [19:02:29] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: you get access to all
ports on your lan (I think)(
3299 [19:02:33] <teraflops> jonathan_x: well I do it in debian
jessie arm thingies too, but im not familiar with that sinology
thing
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3301 [19:03:21] <teraflops> lordarkmemo: you asked a better
way/alternative
3302 [19:03:26] <teraflops> for a+
3303 [19:03:50] <teraflops> if ssh works for you is ok then
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3306 [19:05:00] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: I don't know if all
hosts on my lan are accessible in the VPN but typically they would
be (I think).
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3309 [19:06:14] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: I have a remote VPS that
is on the same VPN. It mounts NFS shares using that VPN. From the
server, I can just ping it at 10.8.0.25.
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3311 [19:06:45] <teraflops> jonathan_x: you can achieve that e.g
doing the vpn in bridged mode
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3314 [19:07:14] <lordarkmemo> jonathan_x: Ok. That VPN is with an
online provider?
3315 [19:07:26] <lordarkmemo> jonathan_x: sorry VPS
3316 [19:07:31] <jonathan_x> yeah
3317 [19:08:31] <teraflops> nvm the other way around i do in
bridged mode for accessing my lan via vpn
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3321 [19:09:38] <Walakea> what is the way to restore running OS to
previous version? i have enough space for snapshots
3322 [19:09:46] <jonathan_x> that means it forwards a route to
your lan right.
3323 [19:10:09] <teraflops> Walakea: many. btrfs snapshots, lvm
...
3324 [19:10:48] <jonathan_x> Walakea: you mean as of now, with an
image you already have right?
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3327 [19:11:07] <Walakea> in future
3328 [19:11:22] <Walakea> i will have to reinstall my debian
either way
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3330 [19:11:33] <Walakea> put /home to separate partition
3331 [19:11:44] <Walakea> change filesystem to btrfs
3332 [19:11:45] <jonathan_x> btrfs is probably most widely
supported. Myself I have tried using LVM thin snapshots, but LVM
thin is not as widely supported.
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3335 [19:12:05] <risg> Can the arduino software be used without
distributing its files across the Debian filesystem? (similar to
windows XIP for for non-admin use) ?
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3337 [19:12:52] <owlr> yes
3338 [19:13:00] <jonathan_x> Walakea: I haven't even tried
restoring in that way, I only used it for real backup images.
3339 [19:13:11] <owlr> risg, i usually unpack it to the dir i want
and use as a user
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3341 [19:13:30] <jonathan_x> Walakea: LVM thin can create thin
snapshots like windows volume shadow copies.
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3345 [19:13:55] <jmcnaught> LVM also does non-thin snapshots,
which have existed for longer than the thin stuff
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3347 [19:14:13] <risg> owlr: which file do you execute?
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3349 [19:14:36] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: do they work the same?
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3351 [19:14:40] <Walakea> looks like i should know more about this
stuff than i do now
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3353 [19:14:53] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: similar, but different
implementations
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3356 [19:15:10] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: so they are the same space
efficient right.
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3362 [19:15:41] <risg> owlr: sorry, wouldn't have thought
that the executable for the arduino IDE is called arduino...
3363 [19:15:48] <owlr> risg, ./arduino
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3367 [19:16:42] <aryklein> I don't understand debian and
journalctl. There isn't the direcotry /var/log/journal, and it
seems it keeps using /var/log/syslog (text file). Why??
3368 [19:16:53] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: actually there's a
fair amount of differences, like not needing a thin pool, needing to
specify a size for the snapshot. non-thin snapshots only record the
differences though.
3369 [19:16:59] <Walakea> i just upgraded linux kernel to backport
version and Gnome to testing version, looks like it wasnt the best
idea
3370 [19:17:06] <aryklein> by default journald write in a binary
file
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3372 [19:17:08] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: alright I get it, you just
have to create a volume in advance, that is large enough to hold the
changes you expect to happen, over the lifetime of the snapshot.
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3377 [19:18:32] <jmcnaught> Walakea: did you add testing/stretch
repos to your stable/jessie install? definitely not a good idea.
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3380 [19:18:37] <teraflops> aryklein: because it says so in the
related config file: /etc/systemd/journald.conf
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3385 [19:18:54] <Walakea> yes
3386 [19:19:02] <Walakea> i only upgraded some parts tho
3387 [19:19:03] <transhuman__> any way to get around this error
update-initramfs is disabled since running on a live CD? I am
remastering a live cd on the hard drive
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3389 [19:19:17] <jmcnaught> aryklein: check
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for how to enable persistent
journal
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3392 [19:19:40] <transhuman__> I know there should be some content
in the /usr/sbin/update-initramfs script on a normal install
3393 [19:19:46] <markybob> Walakea: that's probably worse
then upgrading the whole thing. anyway, per /topic you should go to
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing help
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3396 [19:19:54] <Walakea> i have my files backed up, but now that
i have to reinstall it i want to do everything i wanted before
3397 [19:19:59] <aryklein> jmcnaught: which statement? My config
is all commented
3398 [19:20:02] <transhuman__> should I figure out what is
supposed to be in it and put it back temporarily
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3402 [19:20:24] <jmcnaught> Walakea: you only *wanted* to upgrade
some parts, but now you have a frankendebian hybrid of stable and
testing. either upgrade all the way to testing, or reinstall jessie
and learn from the mistake :)
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3404 [19:21:03] <jonathan_x> he/she just wants a way to be able to
revert more quickly in the future, like snaphots typically allow,
right?
3405 [19:21:17] <Walakea> i will probably want to have one
partition for debian stable, one for one potentional OS, one for
/home and one for snapshots
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3407 [19:21:40] <jmcnaught> aryklein: it seems that Debian decided
the best default for journald is to keep everything in memory/tmpfs,
and also use syslog.
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3409 [19:22:05] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: how would you typically
turn a snapshot into a full volume and use that instead of the one
you used before?
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3411 [19:22:28] <jmcnaught> Walakea: note that user config files
in ~/.config might not be happy about alternating between different
versions
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3413 [19:22:52] <aryklein> jmcnaught: ahh yes, You're right.
Thank for the info
3414 [19:23:21] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: i think what you would
typically do is make a snapshot, do some changes, and then revert
the snapshot if things don't work out (which merges the
snapshot volume back into the origin and removes the snapshot)
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3418 [19:24:00] <Walakea> ok
3419 [19:24:21] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: so there is a revert
action that will turn the original volume into the snapshot's
state.
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3423 [19:25:34] <Walakea> what about the GUI program Back in time?
3424 [19:25:48] <ryouma> i installed p7zip-rar, but apt-file
search is not finding anything in it. it says p7zip-full is
modified, is all.
3425 [19:25:49] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: yes, "lvconvert
--merge"
3426 [19:26:11] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: thanks, I found it too,
lvconvert --merge /dev/vg0/snap0, easy as that :).
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3435 [19:27:23] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: you do need to unmount the
existing volume, so in the end like most things you need to do it
off a rescue disk or something.
3436 [19:27:29] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: if this is your rootfs.
3437 [19:27:46] <aryklein> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
3438 [19:27:52] <aryklein> jmcnaught: thanks!"
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3440 [19:28:36] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: yes, and it's pretty
slow too. and LVM snapshotted volume are also fairly slow in my
experience. thin shapshots seem to be an improvement, but i
couldn't get libvirt to use them (which is what i wanted them
for)
3441 [19:29:21] <jmcnaught> aryklein: personally i find persistent
journal to be pretty useful
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3444 [19:30:15] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: My only issue has been
like 3-fold. 1. not every operating system contains thin-tools
(package) in its installer, so you have to add it during the install
if you want it for root fs.
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3446 [19:30:26] <aryklein> jmcnaught: me too
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3448 [19:30:48] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: 2. grub2 doesn't read
LVM thin
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3452 [19:31:28] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: 3. this means you cannot
boot from lvm thin, you can have it as root, but then grub-probe
will not be able to update your grub conf
3453 [19:31:35] <teraflops> jonathan_x: I switched to btrfs +
subvolumes time ago and is fine here. you can boot directly from a
snapshot, among other things like btrfs send | btrfs receive, etc
3454 [19:31:36] <aryklein> jmcnaught: anyway it is kept in
/var/log/syslog (I think it is for compatibility propose)
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3456 [19:31:57] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: where i've found LVM
thin useful is with LXC containers
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3458 [19:32:29] <jonathan_x> teraflops: that's nice to know,
btrfs is much better supported.
3459 [19:32:34] * jmcnaught looks forward to having the courage to use
btrfs outside of a sandbox one day.
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3464 [19:34:02] <teraflops> jmcnaught: i did time ago (i mean in
debian servers) firts i did checked a couple of months in quemu
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3466 [19:34:17] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: right. That's really
the benefit if you have a lot of free space but not if you have to
divide it over every volume just to have some free space there.
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3468 [19:34:58] <teraflops> hmm excuse my typos
3469 [19:35:26] <jonathan_x> I guess btrfs has that too but I
don't like it ;-).
3470 [19:35:43] <jonathan_x> In btrfs it is basically default
right.
3471 [19:36:05] <jonathan_x> In LVM it would work fine if only the
boot environment supported it and the installers.
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3475 [19:36:57] <jonathan_x> Some opensuse guy who worked on grub
told me someone would just have to add it,.... yeah ;-) :p.
3476 [19:37:00] <teraflops> btrfs + subvols running example here
replaced-url
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3483 [19:39:31] <jonathan_x> I was trying to craft some LVM (thin)
snapshotting and backup tool the other day, but I had to stop it. I
wanted to automate creating the snapshot and then tarring it in some
incremental fashion but that's a lot of work to get it working
(incremental tar is not really that great).
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3486 [19:42:08] <jonathan_x> Like, the first thing I did is create
a tool that could compare two tar increments (like origin and first)
to list the change because that functionality is not there.
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3488 [19:42:54] <jonathan_x> Incremental tars contain a
"dump" of the modifications and you can compare the dumps.
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3490 [19:42:59] <teraflops> jonathan_x: opensuse has a nice tool
for that
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3492 [19:43:38] <teraflops> hmm snapper i think
3493 [19:43:50] <jonathan_x> I have heard it mention yeah.
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3496 [19:45:26] <jonathan_x> But those are on-disk snapshots,
unless you go sending them to remote systems with btrfs, you will
still have to have real backups somewhere ;-).
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3498 [19:45:54] <teraflops> well, I know is on archlinux repos and
I remember a git repo too
3499 [19:46:55] <jonathan_x> My Focus is mostly on
Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Debian, don't know why I was using OpenSUSE
really.
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3504 [19:47:50] <jonathan_x> But Windows tools have these amazing
capabilities, as long as you don't need to change anything or
work outside of what it can do
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3507 [19:48:07] <jonathan_x> Or the freaking boot environment
won't work on your PC and your whole image is worthless :p.
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3511 [19:49:22] <jonathan_x> There are several tools that can
create incremental/differential encrypted shadow volume copy
snapshots and revert them using a boot environment.
3512 [19:50:06] <jonathan_x> The environment didn't work on
my PC even though I had the same chipset/cpu as the developers on
their dev machines.
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3515 [19:51:32] <jonathan_x> Those tools also seem to be dropping
support for their linux boot environments or those environments are
very limited compared to the windows one.
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3519 [19:52:50] <jonathan_x> Comparing the dumps using bash loops
proved to be extremely slow though.
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root, and xfs as the default home, from what I still know.
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3700 [20:12:33] <sharp15> i am experiencing severe lag problems
when connecting to the ssh server on my debian 8 box. any idea why
this would be? never had this problem before 8.0.
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3712 [20:17:47] <Brigo> sharp15, network?
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3805 [20:22:07] <sharp15> Brigo: both wireless and wired. i think.
testing now. wireless definitely and either way the machine is on a
lan.
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3810 [20:23:00] <sharp15> Brigo: usually its fine for a few
commands and then i see delays of 30sec plus. (about then i get
bored and close the terminal)
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3833 [20:25:52] <sharp15> and it figures the one day i ask for
help ... i can't replicate the problem.
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3855 [20:31:47] <sharp15> and now its causing problems. keystrokes
are noticeably delayed. i can finish sentences and they wont show up
for a while.
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3860 [20:32:39] <Brigo> sharp15, try debug mode. Of course you are
not using wifi keyboard, don't you? :)
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3864 [20:33:25] <sharp15> Brigo: only wired keyboards here.
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3866 [20:34:02] <sharp15> Brigo: with the systemd switch i'm
not even sure how to do that.
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3868 [20:34:19] <Brigo> sharp15, i would check the network
thoroughtly.
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3870 [20:35:10] <Brigo> sharp15, i guess systemctl cat ssh.service
will give you hints enought :)
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3873 [20:36:33] <ryouma> jmcnaught: my hosts line just says
"files dns". does your /etc/nsswitch.conf say differently?
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3875 [20:37:38] <jmcnaught> ryouma: "hosts: files myhostname
mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns" is what mine says (on a
jessie desktop)
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3878 [20:38:11] <Brigo> mine:
replaced-url
3879 [20:38:26] <ryouma> i have no nss-myhostname in my repos. i
have libnss-myhostname.
3880 [20:38:58] <ryouma> installed it. now it says "hosts:
files myhostname dns"
3881 [20:39:11] <ryouma> maybe that's good enough :)
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3883 [20:39:37] <ryouma> mine is a minimal jessie desktop
3884 [20:39:39] <ryouma> -ish
3885 [20:39:45] <ryouma> (minimalish, that is; no de)
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3900 [20:46:34] <RICC> Hi. It is possible to control
electricity(current) in jack audio? I need cut off the flow of
current...
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3907 [20:49:26] <zinx> RICC: no.. your sound card/amp would be
responsible for that
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3909 [20:50:59] <RICC> And if I turn off the card in alsa? it will
be working?
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3912 [20:51:46] <RICC> zinx: And if I turn off the card in alsa?
it will be working?
3913 [20:52:00] <zinx> i doubt you can turn it off
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3917 [20:52:31] <zinx> you can choose to not load the driver, but
it will still be powered
3918 [20:52:49] <zinx> it probably takes a few mW at most when
it's not in use, though.
3919 [20:54:33] <H4ndy> well he never said WHY he wants to do that
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3921 [20:55:25] <cheapie> Whenever I unplug my headphones, the
sound output switches to the S/PDIF out (which isn't
necessarily a problem), but it does not switch back when I plug the
headphones in. Is there a way to change this?
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3925 [20:56:50] <sharp15> Brigo: did you mean sshd in debug?
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3929 [20:58:03] <RICC> zinx: ok thx.
3930 [20:58:15] <cheapie> I should add that I am able to change it
back to "Analog Stereo Output" with pavucontrol, at which
point the sound works, but the same problem occurs next time I
unplug/replug the headphones.
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3933 [20:59:16] <zinx> cheapie: you can see if there are any flags
listed w/ amixer, it's kinda annoying to use though.
3934 [20:59:34] <zinx> cheapie: i think there's a way to get
alsamixer to show all the controls as well, but i forget
3935 [20:59:52] * cheapie opens up alsamixer and looks for anything
related
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3943 [21:02:09] <cheapie> zinx: The only thing that seemed related
was "Auto-Mute Mode", but disabling that had no effect.
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3945 [21:02:26] <zinx> cheapie: :(
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3947 [21:03:22] <cheapie> I might just cut apart a cable (so that
it's just a plug, no cable), and plug that into the speaker
jack in back.
3948 [21:03:35] <zinx> heh
3949 [21:04:04] <zinx> depending on how it detects, you may need a
resistor. a lot of them just use a switch, though
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3953 [21:04:49] <cheapie> ...and I can't seem to find any
spare cables. Go figure.
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3977 [21:10:27] <jercos> more than 24 hours later debmirror is not
finished with the first CPU-intensive step, I've hit
control-C...
3978 [21:10:48] <jercos> the line in question is
/usr/bin/debmirror -a armhf --no-source -s main -h $server -d sid -r
$inpath --progress $outpath
3979 [21:11:08] <zinx> cheapie: monoprice? :P
3980 [21:11:22] <jercos> server, inpath, and outpath are set
earlier respectively to ftp.us.debian.org /debian and /var/replaced-url
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3982 [21:11:32] <cheapie> zinx: It's not a big enough deal
for me to bother buying stuff for it.
3983 [21:11:40] <zinx> cheapie: not even for <$1?
3984 [21:11:41] <jercos> I suspect if I add --slow-cpu back in and
simply wipe my existing mirror the result would be success...
3985 [21:11:57] <jercos> however that's notably distasteful
>.>
3986 [21:12:11] <cheapie> zinx: I don't think so.
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3988 [21:12:35] <zinx> cheapie: well, try amixer, it has some
options to list controls that are normally hidden in alsamixer
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3990 [21:13:13] <cheapie> zinx: Which package provides that? I
don't appear to have it.
3991 [21:13:25] <zinx> dpkg -S amixer
3992 [21:13:25] <dpkg> You Fool! amixer is installed!
3993 [21:13:29] <zinx> >_<
3994 [21:13:39] <zinx> i was hoping it would search for you :P
3995 [21:13:59] <sharp15> Brigo: thanks.
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3997 [21:14:05] <cheapie> ...huh, now somehow it's working.
3998 [21:14:06] <zinx> cheapie: i don't know off-hand, and
i'm not currently in Debian/Linux
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4003 [21:15:16] <cheapie> "amixer -c 0 controls" shows
nothing that looks related.
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4015 [21:22:39] <fred1807> hello, I am installing debian on an old
hp laptop, the chipset is senprom 3400, it seems it does suppoert
64bit (not sure); Question is, if I want a ultra fast web
experience, and dont care for 64bit only sutff, can I go with i386 ?
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4017 [21:22:57] <cheapie> fred1807: i386 will work.
4018 [21:22:58] <r6ku> fred1807: how much ram does the machine
have?
4019 [21:23:02] <fred1807> 512
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4021 [21:23:25] <r6ku> fred1807: go 32-bit lxde/xfce
4022 [21:23:38] <cheapie> Assuming you meant "Sempron"
by "senprom", that's likely 64-bit (amd64) capable,
but yes, 32-bit (i386) is fine too.
4023 [21:23:38] <jim> jelly, about grsec and rolling my own
kernel... I was just trying to find out whether grsec was already in
my kernel, and since you say grsec can't start from userland,
it has to be built into the kernel, and the debian folks don't
put it into "normal" kernels, I would assume the answer is
no, I don't have grsec... that's good to know
4024 [21:23:54] <fred1807> going with i386 lxde... see ya
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4026 [21:24:17] <jercos> apparently there's an easy answer to
my problem... jessie's debmirror can't handle sid.
4027 [21:24:47] <jercos> it grabs
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/Index and then sits there
forever consuming 100% CPU
4028 [21:24:49] <jim> fred1807, probably good to specify the
unit... 512... k? m? g? -t-??
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4056 [21:30:42] <transhuman__> question, is there a way to get the
output of apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade into a log file
as well as on the screen during its execution
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4061 [21:31:45] <jhutchins> transhuman__: Have you looked in
/var/log/
4062 [21:31:50] * jercos debootstraps sid to find out if debmirror
1:2.22 handles mirroring sid better than 1:2.16
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4064 [21:32:06] <jmcnaught> transhuman__: the release notes
upgrade instructions recommend using script
4065 [21:32:10] <transhuman__> oh, it outputs it there , sorry
didnt eve think it might actually do that
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4067 [21:32:38] <transhuman__> ok i will look at the release notes
script thanks
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4100 [21:43:16] <rhizome> nothing i like better than playing
"which file manager will this app call up?"
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4105 [21:44:11] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded a Web server
to Jessie. It was using apache2-mpm-worker and php5-fpm but I
can't get PHP to work after the upgrade
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4107 [21:44:47] <H4ndy> use nginx ;)
4108 [21:44:54] <Pegasus_RPG> I've moved the config file to
the right place but I'm getting messages like these when trying
to use the sites: You don't have permission to access
/fcgi-bin/php5-fpm/page.php
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4111 [21:45:17] <H4ndy> Pegasus_RPG: well check permissions?
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4113 [21:45:31] <aerth> php or apache is probably trying under the
wrong user
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4115 [21:45:40] <Pegasus_RPG> H4ndy: that file doesn't exist.
It's an alias to a socket in php5-fpm.conf
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4118 [21:46:10] <Pegasus_RPG> I mean the part of the path
'/fcgi-bin/php5-fpm' is the socket
4119 [21:46:23] <Pegasus_RPG> the rest is the path in the
site's documentroot
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4122 [21:47:33] <Pegasus_RPG> Anyway, my questions are: 1) How do
I use Apache2.4 multi-threaded since there's just the one
package now? 2) Do I still heed the warning on the
libmodapache2-php5 package taht it's not thread-safe?
4123 [21:48:03] <Pegasus_RPG> Can I just use php5-cgi and be fine?
4124 [21:48:37] <aerth> H4ndy, nginx is so cool
4125 [21:48:56] * Pegasus_RPG is not interested in learning a new Web
engine config right now, thankyouverymuch
4126 [21:49:07] <H4ndy> isnt there always a separate package for
apache that contains php?
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4130 [21:49:18] <H4ndy> I havent used apache in years, sorry
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4133 [21:49:46] <Pegasus_RPG> H4ndy: yes. php5-cgi apparently but
also libapache2-mod-php5
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4136 [21:50:11] <jim> Pegasus_RPG, is there a readme or (esp.) a
changelog for the newer apache package? if you read it, is it saying
interesting things about how you can use php or multithreading?
4137 [21:50:15] <aerth> is apache running under the same user it
was before?
replaced-url
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4139 [21:50:26] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: in Apache 2.4 the MPMs
are modules just like any other
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4149 [21:51:36] <Pegasus_RPG> aerth: yes. jim: yes but no mention
of those other than a config name deprecation
4150 [21:51:44] <Tom01> Without a Monitor connected, Debian hangs.
What can I do to make it boot without a Monitor?
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4152 [21:52:18] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: okay, so then do I need
the warning " Please note that this package ONLY works with
Apache's prefork MPM, as it is not compiled thread-safe. "
on libapache2-mod-php5 ?
4153 [21:52:25] <Pegasus_RPG> s/need/heed/
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4156 [21:53:35] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: if you were already using
php-fpm and mpm-worker, i'd stick with that and not revert to
mod_php (which is still not threadsafe and does require prefork)
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4159 [21:54:20] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: okay, that's what
I'm trying to do. (Though phppgadmin now doesn't include
php5-fpm as a valid dependency)
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4165 [21:55:24] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: it probably depends on
php5 or libapache-mod-php5. install the php5 meta package
4166 [21:55:45] <Pegasus_RPG> php5-cgi actually
4167 [21:56:34] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: sorry i'm a little
distracted, but yeah you got it :)
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4169 [21:56:45] <Pegasus_RPG> screw it, I'll just try to get
php5-cgi working
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4172 [21:57:17] <ulster> ahh it's a wonderful day
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4175 [21:59:12] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: got that working, thank
you
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4197 [22:06:07] <karlpinc> Tom01: How do you know it's
debian?
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4201 [22:06:43] <Tom01> Because I have installed it.
4202 [22:06:46] <Sandlayth> Hello world
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4204 [22:07:13] <Sandlayth> I want to create a debian docker image
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4208 [22:07:37] <Sandlayth> but i don't know wich file
download in
replaced-url
4209 [22:07:48] <Sandlayth>
replaced-url
4210 [22:07:54] <Sandlayth> actually
4211 [22:08:31] <Sandlayth>
replaced-url
4212 [22:08:37] <Sandlayth> i suppose
4213 [22:08:42] <karlpinc> Tom01: Yes, but how do you know that
it's debian that's preventing it from booting?
There's also the bios/uefi.
4214 [22:09:17] <Sandlayth> Should i dl
4215 [22:09:34] <Sandlayth> one .xz from contrib, main and
not-free ?
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4221 [22:12:05] <aerth> Sandlayth, you know there is a " FROM
debian:jessie " already?
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4223 [22:12:34] <Sandlayth> aerth: yep, but i use docker on an arm
server
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4226 [22:13:06] <Sandlayth> and i would like to use my image, in
order to update it as long as i can
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4229 [22:14:02] <aerth> something like
replaced-url
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4232 [22:14:33] <Sandlayth> Actually
4233 [22:14:38] <Sandlayth> I wanted to follow
replaced-url
4234 [22:15:02] <Sandlayth> but i didn't find rootfs.tar.xz
4235 [22:15:18] <Sandlayth> so yeah, something like
replaced-url
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4243 [22:18:35] <TunaLobster> I noticed that after typing in my
username that is a lengthy pause before the password prompt when I
am sshing in. It didn't use to do this. Oh and I don't
have internet access from the command line after bridging wlan and
eth
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4245 [22:19:16] <aerth> i looked i am stumped as well Sandlayth
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4249 [22:19:46] <aerth> TunaLobster, try ssh -v to see where its
hanging up
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4252 [22:20:52] <TunaLobster> Version? Or verbose?
4253 [22:20:57] <aerth> verbose
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4258 [22:23:06] <TunaLobster> aerth: I'm using putty to sign
into my box. Not sure how to do that.
4259 [22:24:01] <aerth> oh i am not sure if that exists
4260 [22:24:38] <TunaLobster> Found the full SSH packet logging
option.
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4262 [22:25:31] <Slimmy> hello guys. I downloaded debian stable
netinst and used unetbootin to get it in my usb. But it tells me abt
missing cd rom. Why do i get such an error?
4263 [22:26:19] <Slimmy> like "No common CD-ROM drive was
detected"
4264 [22:26:25] <axc1298> Slimmy: which operating system did you
use to create the usb? there must be a better option than unetbootin
4265 [22:26:47] <Slimmy> axc1298: debian testing
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4267 [22:27:06] <Slimmy> axc1298: like what option? dd or such?
4268 [22:27:36] <axc1298> Slimmy: use dd or cp to create it. like
this: dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX
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4271 [22:27:49] <Slimmy> axc1298: on it.
4272 [22:28:01] <Slimmy> axc1298: on root?
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4274 [22:28:05] <axc1298> but replace X with the right letter
4275 [22:28:05] <Slimmy> as root*
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4277 [22:28:23] <jhutchins> Slimmy: Yes, as root or with sudo.
4278 [22:28:34] <jhutchins> Slimmy: We're not sure why, but
unetbootin often fails that way.
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4280 [22:29:02] <markybob2> !unetbootin
4281 [22:29:03] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
4282 [22:29:03] <Slimmy> jhutchins: What is it that unetbootin
does differently?
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4286 [22:29:15] <Slimmy> ooooh
4287 [22:29:19] <Slimmy> alright thank you
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4294 [22:31:02] <TunaLobster> Holly cow! PowerShell has ssh!
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4298 [22:32:28] <Slimmy> now i get missing firmware files:
rtl_nic/rt18168g-2.fw I'm going to google this a bit and brb
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4301 [22:33:20] <Slimmy> Should I risk installing without this?
4302 [22:33:33] <markybob2> Slimmy: debian does have an installer
with firmware included to make it really easy.
replaced-url
4303 [22:35:05] <Slimmy> markybob2: you made it easy for me. Thank
you. I'm just booting this normally right?
4304 [22:35:18] <Slimmy> markybob2: dd and boot into it
4305 [22:35:22] <markybob2> Slimmy: yes. make sure no secure boot
is set in the bios
4306 [22:35:41] <markybob2> Slimmy: install guide says cp
image.iso /dev/sdX but dd does the same thing. that's okay.
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4308 [22:36:25] <Slimmy> markybob2: Alright. My usb is empty and
dding
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4311 [22:37:04] <markybob2> Slimmy: remember to sync after
4312 [22:37:25] <Slimmy> markybob2: um what?
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4314 [22:37:36] <markybob2> Slimmy: just type sync after it's
done with dd
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4317 [22:38:06] <Slimmy> markybob2: alright alright
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4341 [22:48:14] <Slimmy> markybob2: That worked sweet. but I have
to confess I forgot to sync cuz i did it in a hurry since my laptop
is dying
4342 [22:48:31] <Slimmy> markybob2: anyways, I'm grateful
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4381 [23:01:55] <Walakea> i currently have two kernels how can i
remove one of them?
4382 [23:02:12] <DocMAX> anyone using midnight commander?
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4417 [23:16:44] <miko__> Hi. I'm hanging in initrd and have a
shell. Of course I want to mount the rootfs: `mount -t ext4
/dev/sda1 /`. This fails with the message "mount: mounting
/dev/sda1 on / failed: Invalid argument".
4418 [23:16:54] <miko__> ext4 is in /proc/filesystems
4419 [23:17:15] <miko__> and /dev/sda1 exists, of course
4420 [23:17:35] <miko__> I wonder want argument is invalid and why
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4426 [23:19:25] <miko__> and /dev/sda1 is a block device, as
listed with ls -ls
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4432 [23:21:24] <jmcnaught> miko__: is / already mounted? (check
the output of "mount"). if so, you need to remount it as
rw with "mount -o remount,rw /"
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4439 [23:23:36] <miko__> And the internet sucks, too. Yes, / is
mounted as rootfs. But mounting it in a unmounted directory does not
work either
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4441 [23:23:53] <miko__> and remount does not work either.
4442 [23:24:02] <miko__> This error message is just so ambious
4443 [23:24:03] <polysics> hello! I am having a weird situation
where all commands in an /etc/init.d script work from the console,
but the script actually does nothing - and it does not look like
there's any logs anywhere
4444 [23:24:17] <polysics> I am at loss for where to start
looking, so any pointer is appreciated
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4447 [23:25:10] <polysics> it just prints "[ ok ] Starting
freeswitch (via systemctl): freeswitch.service."
4448 [23:25:10] <jmcnaught> miko__: what happened before you
rebooted? were you doing a major release upgrade, installing a new
kernel?
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4452 [23:26:05] <jmcnaught> polysics: does "systemctl status
freeswitch" tell you anything?
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4455 [23:26:26] <miko__> I just did a fsck. The Filesystem is
broken bejond belive. A bad super block, and the rest is broken,
too. Nothing to save, i guess
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4460 [23:27:44] <polysics> jmcnaught: apparently "service
freeswitch start" works. Do I "just" have something
broken with the init setup here?
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4464 [23:28:32] <miko__> jmcnaught, bye, thanks
4465 [23:28:49] <jmcnaught> polysics: i don't know. i
don't think freeswitch is a Debian package. does it actually
provide an init script, or is it a systemd service unit?
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4467 [23:29:15] <jmcnaught> miko__: good luck :) i'd try
mounting/chrooting into it from a rescue/live cd
4468 [23:29:32] <polysics> I installed it from source so the init
script that is packaged in does not actually work (docs say so)
4469 [23:29:51] <polysics> I created an /etc/init.d script off
this:
replaced-url
4470 [23:30:07] <polysics> and it does indeed work, but only when
started using `service`
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4475 [23:32:10] <dokma> Is there any way to fake my IP to test
postfix IP rejection rules?
4476 [23:32:23] <dokma> With telnet perhaps?
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4480 [23:35:16] <grawity> dokma: XCLIENT
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4484 [23:37:02] <dokma> grawity: thanks a bunch
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