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49 [00:40:23] <liamolua> Hey
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106 [01:10:58] <detly> is it possible to be in an interactive
bash session but make a command think it's being run in a
non-interactive session?
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115 [01:15:42] <n4dir> i can't really answer that question,
but if you say what the problem behind is, i might have a link.
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118 [01:18:04] <detly> I have a set of commands that are run in a
docker instance on a CI system. On the CI system, they're run
non-interactively via however Gitlab does it. I'm trying to
debug it locally, but some jobs (eg apt-get, even with
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and -y -qq) will stop when
backgrounded because they're waiting for input, so I want to
run them non-interactively, just as they are on the CI system.
119 [01:18:35] <themill> what input are they waiting for>
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121 [01:18:46] <detly> I don't know, if I foreground it it
finishes instantly
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124 [01:19:40] <themill> do you actually mean foreground and
background?
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126 [01:19:58] <themill> those are terms from job control not
from interactivity
127 [01:20:26] <detly> themill: nope, I run apt-get -y -qq
install (bunch of packages) &, it ends up stopped, I do fg %1,
it finishes
128 [01:20:38] <detly> themill: sure, but it doesn't stop
waiting for input if run non-interactively
129 [01:20:51] <themill> why are you running it in the background
130 [01:20:54] <detly> there are other commands that might do
this too though, I'd just like to eliminate one more variable
while debugging
131 [01:21:10] <themill> jobs will stop in the background if they
have output, not just if they're waiting for input
132 [01:21:26] <detly> themill: I background it so it can
download in parallel with other things that don't depend on it
133 [01:21:56] <detly> themill: I was not aware of that, maybe I
need to pipe that to /dev/null
134 [01:23:51] <themill> For CI, I'd always prioritise
simplicity of development and debugging over speed. Unless
you're installing texlive-full, it's hard to imagine this
is an optimisation that is worth it.
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142 [01:29:59] <detly> themill: this is amazing - I am, in fact,
installing texlive-full
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144 [01:30:17] <themill> heh
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146 [01:30:31] <detly> anyway, you're probably right,
gitlab's runners are reasonably fast
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149 [01:31:09] <themill> I assume they already have things like
eatmydata enabled
150 [01:31:40] <detly> I mainly wanted to eliminate it as a
possible source of weirdness ie. one less variable, but from what
you say, that's probably not it
151 [01:32:04] <themill> there's a reasonable chance you
don't actually need texlive-full btw. Highly unlikely you need
the texlive*doc packages for building, for insdtance
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155 [01:33:35] <detly> I agree, it's part of the debugging
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231 [02:28:52] <yakiza> hello guys i have just installed debian
on a lenovo thinkpad laptop i got from my new job and it wont boot,
i have enabled both uefi and legacy on bios and disabled boot
security
232 [02:28:58] <yakiza> any ideas why is not booting at all
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234 [02:30:38] <awal1> you can't enable both, just one;
legacy or uefi
235 [02:31:10] <yakiza> on my pc i can, i tried just uefi not
working i am trying legacy now
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237 [02:32:05] <yakiza> wawa with legacy only i get a message pxe
2.1 build 092 (wfm 2.0)
238 [02:32:17] <yakiza> but nothing else with uefi i get nothing
just black screen
239 [02:33:20] <JerryXiao> did you finish the installation
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241 [02:33:40] <yakiza> JerryXiao: yes succesfully no errors
242 [02:33:50] <agio> what was the fix?
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244 [02:34:15] <yakiza> agio: you refering to me?
245 [02:35:17] <JerryXiao> yakiza: your bootloader is not
installed correctly
246 [02:35:31] <yakiza> you suggest i reinstall?
247 [02:35:57] <JerryXiao> yakiza: if you know how to fix it, use
a livecd and chroot into the installed system
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249 [02:36:20] <JerryXiao> yakiza: reinstall is also an option
250 [02:36:33] <joepublic> during the install it asks where to
write the boot loader. you may have made the wrong choice. there is
a rescue disc called super grub 2 that can often help in these
situations.
251 [02:36:53] <yakiza> joepublic: didnt ask me about bootloader
at all
252 [02:37:16] <yakiza> JerryXiao: chroot and do what mount the
drive mount the usb and what?
253 [02:37:35] <awal1> !fixmbr
254 [02:37:35] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
255 [02:38:01] <yakiza> dpkg: thank you
256 [02:38:01] <dpkg> yakiza: bitte
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258 [02:38:14] <yakiza> oops sr bot
259 [02:38:20] <yakiza> awal1: tanks
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261 [02:38:29] <yakiza> oh guys
262 [02:38:33] <yakiza> now something happend
263 [02:38:33] <agio> yakiza: yes, I thought you fixed your
install? I was wondering how you got it working?
264 [02:38:40] <yakiza> i am promped into a grub rescue>
265 [02:38:50] <yakiza> there is not ? or /help though
266 [02:39:17] <agio> well if you made it into grub - that means
your bios/uefi started your boot loadeder :)
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268 [02:39:48] <yakiza> i get an errror message no such device
6eaf5899-133b-45ee.....
269 [02:39:49] <JerryXiao> yakiza: your grub.cfg cannot be found
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274 [02:44:24] <yakiza> fixxed it
275 [02:44:34] <yakiza> selected the rescue option on the usb
276 [02:44:47] <yakiza> and installed grub
277 [02:44:50] <yakiza> agio
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279 [02:45:25] <agio> yakiza: nice :) what option in the BIOS?
280 [02:45:30] <yakiza> i am really curious i saw the
partitioning and i had 2 ext4 one / one /home and 1 EFI and one more
fst or somethign like that
281 [02:45:36] <yakiza> agio: only UEFI
282 [02:45:56] <yakiza> what is that 4th partition
283 [02:45:58] <yakiza> weird
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285 [02:46:20] <agio> you mean the "efi" partition??
286 [02:46:24] <yakiza> agio: no
287 [02:46:47] <agio> but you've got an efi partition
though, right?
288 [02:47:02] <yakiza> yyeah
289 [02:47:06] <yakiza> my partitions are
290 [02:47:41] <yakiza> efi system 512 M swap 7.8 G( wtf almost 8
G for swap that must be wrong) and two linux partitions one for /
and one for /home
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293 [02:49:04] <agio> how much RAM do you have?
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295 [02:49:23] <yakiza> 8 G
296 [02:50:22] <agio> yeah 8 G for swap seems excessive. did you
let the installer just automatically do the partitionning?
297 [02:51:27] <yakiza> yes
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299 [02:51:47] <deego> yakiza: what's your disk size?
300 [02:51:55] <yakiza> 256
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302 [02:54:20] <yakiza> doing a restart rn
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305 [02:56:00] <bramford> Is there a commonly used method for
trapping a file over ssh? i.e. when the ssh client disconnects or
quits, the file is deleted by the remote.
306 [02:56:34] <agio> you want the file deleted on the remote end
on a broken connection?
307 [02:56:43] <bramford> agio: yes
308 [02:57:03] <agio> rsync does that by default
309 [02:57:41] <agio> its leaves it there if you pass --partial,
or --apend
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311 [02:58:09] <bramford> In my case, I'm not copying a
file, I'm trapping an existing file
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313 [02:58:20] <bramford> Or rather I'm trying to trap an
existing file
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315 [02:58:31] <agio> "trapping" ?
316 [02:58:48] <bramford> `man sh` - search for the trap builtin
317 [02:59:18] <agio> i know what the trap command does - it runs
a command when process receives a signal
318 [02:59:54] <agio> so you want to delet the file when process
receives SIGINT or something?
319 [03:00:11] <bramford> yes, SIGINT, SIGKILL ,etc
320 [03:00:13] <agio> or TCP connection time out?
321 [03:00:19] <bramford> Both
322 [03:00:52] <bramford> Any condition that
disconnects/closes/quits the shell should result in the
"trapped" file being deleted by the remote
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324 [03:01:45] <bramford> But it doesn't work AFAICT. This
SF seems to describe it fairly well -
replaced-url
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327 [03:02:23] <bramford> If there's an alternative to using
`trap` then I'm fine with that
328 [03:02:48] <agio> i gues it depends whether the ssh pty
driver sends SIGHUP to the process leader
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330 [03:03:00] <agio> it should
331 [03:03:38] <agio> and SSH usually monitors connection - if it
breaks - I think it send sigterm - to children?
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333 [03:04:15] <bramford> I thought so, yes - using up-to-date
Debian 9 - openssh-server 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u4
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335 [03:05:18] <bramford> Here's the command - `ssh
user@server "/bin/bash -c 'trap \"rm -f
/tmp/myfile\" EXIT SIGHUP SIGKILL SIGTERM SIGINT ; while true ;
do sleep 1 ; done'"`
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337 [03:06:19] <bramford> I've tried enabling `-t` on the
ssh command. I've also tried using `/bin/sh` & `/bin/bash`.
Same result in all cases.
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339 [03:07:05] <bramford> I've noticed that the command
remains is `ps` after the ssh client disconnects or interrupts
340 [03:07:11] <bramford> in*
341 [03:07:37] <agio> well I would quote the command like this:
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346 [03:08:33] <agio> 'trap \"rm -f /tmp/myfile;
EXIT\" SIGHUP SIGKILSIGTERM SIGINT ; while true ; do sleep 1 ;
done'"
347 [03:09:24] <agio> so bash knows this: `rm -f /tmp/myfile;
EXIT' is the command
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349 [03:09:27] <bramford> I thought "EXIT" was one of
the signals
350 [03:09:36] <bramford> *
351 [03:09:38] <bramford> ?*
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353 [03:09:58] <agio> you still need to tell bash to exit - as
part of your command
354 [03:10:17] <agio> if you dont - it will run your rm command -
then carry on
355 [03:10:21] <bramford> Ok, but even without exiting, it should
still have executed the `rm`
356 [03:10:31] <agio> yeah, agreed
357 [03:11:06] <bramford> I'll try that anyway
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365 [03:16:25] <agio> bramford: how are you simulating the broken
connection?
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368 [03:16:52] <bramford> agio: What's odd is that `ps`
shows the shell command in the list even after the client
quits/disconnects. I expected sshd to kill the proc as the user
quit/disconnected.
369 [03:17:02] <agio> no
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371 [03:17:18] <agio> you should watch the tcp connections
372 [03:17:34] <bramford> agio: Yeah I'll see if it's
still there
373 [03:17:53] <agio> I believe ssh will keep the process alive -
at least as long as TCP connection is up
374 [03:17:55] <bramford> agio: I assumed it'd timeout after
60s or whatever the default is
375 [03:18:13] <agio> TCP tries to be tenacious and cling on - no
matter what
376 [03:18:34] <bramford> agio: Hmm I'm sure there'll
be a default TCP timeout
377 [03:18:42] <bramford> I'll check sysctl
378 [03:18:52] <agio> there is a file in somewhere in /proc or
/sys
379 [03:19:20] <agio> which tells you kernels value - last time I
checked it was something like 7200
380 [03:19:22] <agio> secs
381 [03:19:51] <agio> but either way - I dont think thats what
decides it.
382 [03:20:19] <bramford> Yeah I just saw that in sysctl now -
7200 is a very long time
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385 [03:21:09] <agio> 2 hours I think? I would watch TCP
connetions - they will change state - usually it takes about 5mins
before the remote will give up - via another console mean
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390 [03:22:04] <agio> I mean you will need to establish another
console to watch ssh connections
391 [03:22:34] <bramford> Yeah, I'll watch the connection on
the remote
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400 [03:26:07] <bramford> agio: `ss -ntp` should do it right? I
saw the connection disappear immediately on the server (upon
quit/Ctrl-C on client) but shell is still in `ps`
401 [03:26:59] <bramford> By "shell" I mean the
`/bin/sh -c` with the trap, etc.
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404 [03:27:19] <agio> Ctrl-c on client won't reach remote
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406 [03:27:54] <agio> the local tty driver will just send the
signal to the local process leader (your local shell)
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408 [03:28:33] <agio> the command I would use is `netstat
-pnt'
409 [03:29:10] <agio> on debian its in `net-tools' package
410 [03:30:01] <bramford> I thought `netstat`'s usage was
deprecated in favour of `ss`?
411 [03:30:20] <bramford> Anyway, I'll see if the output is
different
412 [03:31:00] <agio> yeah, it is deprecated - but netstat is
great - and gives me exactly what I want
413 [03:31:50] <bramford> ... Said every SysV supporter ever :D
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422 [03:37:57] <bramford> agio: Same output with both netstat
& ss. Anyway, connection is ESTABLISHED while the client is
active. On client Ctrl-C, connection is removed from the output (on
the server).
423 [03:38:38] <bramford> Anyway, thanks for the help, I'll
pick this up again later.
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maybe?) the squares of a pop-up window like when you want to close x
app and it asks you 'Yes' 'Not' ? I meanthe
square of yes / not in the pop-up window itself
467 [04:18:04] <awal1> I want to report a whishlist bug about arc
theme (ask to highlight those squares)
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516 [05:12:04] <asterismo_l> hi
517 [05:12:34] <asterismo_l> is there anyway to get Qualcomm
2723A-UNDP1 WAN 3G card working in Debian 8?
518 [05:12:46] <asterismo_l> its a mini PCI laptop card
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529 [05:38:09] <asterismo_l> anyone?
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531 [05:41:39] <jelly> asterismo_l, what's its pci id?
532 [05:41:59] <asterismo_l> mmm
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534 [05:42:04] <jelly> lspci -nn, find the line for the card
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536 [05:42:59] <asterismo_l>
replaced-url
537 [05:43:55] <asterismo_l> not sure which one is
538 [05:44:45] <asterismo_l> this is the card
539 [05:44:48] <asterismo_l>
replaced-url
540 [05:44:52] <jelly> doesn't seem to be present at all
541 [05:45:14] <jelly> you may be hitting #790109
542 [05:45:15] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
543 [05:45:50] <jelly> asterismo_l, or it might be something
simpler, like your laptop accepting only whitelisted cards
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547 [05:46:39] <asterismo_l> whitelisted cards?
548 [05:47:06] <asterismo_l> its a panasonic toughbook cf-31 mk1
549 [05:47:44] <jelly> asterismo_l, what about "lsusb",
is is present there?
550 [05:49:52] <asterismo_l>
replaced-url
551 [05:49:55] <jelly> asterismo_l, some laptop vendors only
accept specific cards, so you have to either buy their own, more
expensive, parts or hack the bios if possible
552 [05:50:00] <asterismo_l> mmm
553 [05:50:05] <asterismo_l> dont think so
554 [05:52:24] <jelly> the fact there's no pci device at all
suggests that may be the case
555 [05:53:38] <jelly> that 483377-002 part number suggests
it's a HP part
556 [05:56:43] <asterismo_l> so it wont work in the panasonic?
557 [05:57:45] <asterismo_l> that is not my card
558 [05:57:53] <asterismo_l> is one like mine
559 [05:58:34] <asterismo_l> i pulled out of a Sony Vaio Pocket
laptop
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562 [05:59:22] <awal1> if my system calls swap bcoz of heavy use
it never stops using it after heavy work finished. I always have to
run swapoff -a
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566 [06:00:26] <awal1> i know it takes a bit of time but in my
case it won't stop using swap
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568 [06:00:43] <awal1> just a few mo used but that slows my
system
569 [06:00:47] <jelly> asterismo_l, I guess you'll first
want to figure out whether CF-31 has bios whitelists for cards or
not. Some web search results suggest a wwan card would not work
before enabling in bios and/or updating bios version (to one from
2010 ;-)
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571 [06:01:25] <asterismo_l> this is my card
572 [06:01:30] <asterismo_l>
replaced-url
573 [06:02:12] <asterismo_l> jelly, i did not find any wwan
setting in bios
574 [06:02:30] <jelly> asterismo_l, does the machine have an
antenna for wwan at all?
575 [06:03:25] <jelly> was it advertised with a wwan option when
it was new?
576 [06:03:33] <asterismo_l> it has a SIM card slot
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581 [06:07:59] <jelly> asterismo_l, i see some antenna cables
here
replaced-url
582 [06:08:31] <jelly> does your machine have those and did you
connect them
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586 [06:10:03] <jelly> 3G is probably not going to work without
some sort of antenna, even if you get the device to appear in lspci
587 [06:15:54] <asterismo_l> yes
588 [06:16:01] <asterismo_l> cables are connected now
589 [06:16:11] <asterismo_l> there were not connected
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594 [06:21:38] <asterismo_l> i dont see any bios updates in
panasonic page
595 [06:21:53] <asterismo_l> i will check again
596 [06:21:54] <asterismo_l> brb
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606 [06:29:57] <asterismo_l> hi
607 [06:30:07] <asterismo_l> i cannot see the card in the bios
608 [06:30:13] <asterismo_l> but the laptop itself supports it
609 [06:30:22] <asterismo_l> it has the antenna, etc
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617 [06:37:55] <jelly> asterismo_l, googles says there were fixes
for serial in 2010 bios updates. that may or may not be relevant. I
don't know anything about toughbooks, but other laptops
I've seen had options to enable ot disable WWAN in BIOS. In any
case, you have a hw compatibility issue right now, not a Debian
issue.
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619 [06:39:23] <asterismo_l> anyway, i cannot update the bios
rigth now, i only have debian installed, i guess i would have to
install windows in another drive.... and run the bios upgrade tool
whatever...
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622 [06:40:28] <jelly> asterismo_l,
replaced-url
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635 [06:50:24] <fuxxy> mount -t nfs -o sec=krb5
10.10.24.2:/Vault271 /mnt/Vault271_nfs
636 [06:50:24] <fuxxy> mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was
specified - Any ideas?
637 [06:52:36] <piercedwater> use ntf3g
638 [06:52:43] <piercedwater> lemme look one sec
639 [06:52:54] <fuxxy> NFS, not nTfs
640 [06:53:00] <piercedwater> oh sorry
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652 [06:58:07] <shtrb> anyone have an idea what
colorcorrectlocationupdater actually does ?
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655 [07:03:58] <diogenes_> shtrb,
replaced-url
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662 [07:10:21] <fuxxy> both the nfs-common and the mount packages
are the same version across the working system and the test system..
The kernel versions are different, though.
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669 [07:15:30] <fuxxy> a reboot seems to have sorted the issue
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671 [07:20:37] <shtrb> diogenes_, wow thanks , does it actually
query something to get the geo location ?
672 [07:21:49] <diogenes_> shtrb, no clue
673 [07:21:56] <shtrb> oh thanks
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675 [07:22:56] <shtrb> I found the source and seen latitude and
longitude setting but couldn't uderstand the relation to color
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697 [07:41:36] <jelly> shtrb: long,lat help figuring out sunset
and sunrise times if your color correction thingy does blue-light
reduction during nighttime
698 [07:41:36] <jelly> see also: f.lux, redshift
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715 [07:58:21] <CrazyTux> what is the distinction between stable
and testing?
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730 [08:14:12] <strk> why is /etc/profile not sourced by gdm nor
the gnome terminal ?
731 [08:14:27] <strk> I mean... I see the effects of it when
logging in via ssh but not when starting a terminal from within
XWindows
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735 [08:16:42] <strk> the shell started by terminal is bash
4.4.12, the desktop environment is Mate
736 [08:16:54] <strk> desktop manager is lightdm
737 [08:19:42] <shtrb> jelly, for redshift there is an external
module (where you expect it to contact a remote server) this was
found in plasma settings (not as a systemd service)
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739 [08:20:55] <jelly> shtrb: eh, I give it rough coordinates on
the command line anyway
740 [08:21:07] <at0m> shtrb: geoclue-2.0
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744 [08:21:39] <at0m> shtrb: i do rough coordinates, too.
doesn't matter if it's 1° off =)
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747 [08:22:10] <shtrb> my issue is to avoid network usage (also
let's continue at #d-o)
748 [08:22:26] <strk> it looks like defining the vars in
/etc/environment helped
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1031 [12:26:42] <jelly> warbaque: which debian release
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1035 [12:28:12] <shtrb> warbaque, can you give us few more lines
around it ?
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1046 [12:32:47] <warbaque> jelly: sid, samba version:
2:4.9.2+dfsg-1
1047 [12:33:13] <jelly> sid? check the bug reports
1048 [12:33:19] <jelly> !debian-next
1049 [12:33:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1050 [12:33:37] <shtrb> warbaque, are you installing after you did
su ?
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1053 [12:33:56] <jelly> warbaque: if there are none that look
relevant, then ask in ^ that channel on that network
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1055 [12:34:21] <shtrb> and can you give us few lines around
(there is a very good chance you are getting an error related to
missing application in path which is a common mistake when doing su
instead of su - )
1056 [12:34:28] <jelly> not here tho.
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1058 [12:34:54] <shtrb> the su issue since jessy
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1060 [12:35:11] <shtrb> *jessie
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1062 [12:36:03] <jelly> but sure, whole output will be helpful for
the -next people,
1063 [12:36:04] <jelly> !bat
1064 [12:36:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1074 [12:40:03] <warbaque> I had some held packages. Fixed
dependencies and it works now
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1078 [12:42:56] <shtrb> still, when coming with an issue sharing
some extra data would help
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1113 [13:08:19] <InvisibleRasta> heya ,how to install PyCharm IDE
on debian stretch?
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1115 [13:09:09] <bites> you go to their site, download it, unpack
the tarball and run the script that starts the IDE.
1116 [13:09:17] <InvisibleRasta> ah
1117 [13:09:23] <InvisibleRasta> i ahve to run script all time?
1118 [13:09:31] <InvisibleRasta> ther is no deb file or repo???
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1121 [13:10:05] <bites> it's not in the debian repos.
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1123 [13:10:50] <bites> but you can put a symlink somewhere in
your $PATH, which is what i do, or create a desktop file, which i
think is done automatically after you run pycharm the first time...
i don't remember.
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1128 [13:12:16] <Sia-> hi, hwo can enable smb2 or 3 in debian 9?
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1130 [13:12:56] <Sia-> i have this in my config
replaced-url
1131 [13:13:02] <Sia-> but is just smb1
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1162 [13:32:21] <RandomSerb> is there a way to tell router/modem
to renew your ip?
1163 [13:32:40] <RandomSerb> note I'm on stretch, desktop
machine. ifconfig no longer exist.
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1167 [13:34:58] <shtrb> dhclient -r
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1177 [13:40:24] <InvisibleRasta> ifconfig is part of net-tools
package
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1180 [13:41:26] <Guest75238> InvisibleRasta, ifconfig is
deprecated in stretch, right?
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1183 [13:41:49] <abrotman> still there though, but yes
1184 [13:41:56] <abrotman> it's been deprecated for years
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1186 [13:42:09] <RandomSerb> abrotman, I thought it was deprecated
since stretch
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1202 [13:52:16] <abrotman> I think they changed the package
priority in stretch
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1212 [13:55:43] <abrotman> RandomSerb:
replaced-url
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1223 [13:59:32] <antto> grrrrrr damn u gnome files >:(
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1260 [14:21:24] <jelly> ,v testssl.sh
1261 [14:21:25] <judd> Package: testssl.sh on amd64 -- stretch:
2.8~rc3+dfsg1-1; buster: 2.9.5-5+dfsg1-1; sid: 2.9.5-5+dfsg1-1
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1264 [14:22:23] <bipul> jelly, just need a help regarding preseed
method of installation.
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1266 [14:22:30] <bipul> :(
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1271 [14:24:02] <jelly> bipul: sorry, busy
1272 [14:24:05] <bipul> jelly, Please see this steps
replaced-url
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1281 [14:25:42] <jelly> bipul: please look up "busy" in
the dictionary
1282 [14:25:47] <jelly> !ask
1283 [14:25:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1303 [14:32:13] <bipul> okay :)
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1315 [14:39:14] <simbalion> Hi, I'm having a hell of a time
getting cronjobs that play audio to work reliably. If I'm
watching a video in mpv or on Netflix, they will not play. But if I
execute the same command from a shell in an xterm while video is
playing, it works fine. How do I fix this?
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1343 [14:56:51] <Ede|Popede> simbalion: several years ago i wanted
to receive a regular (but rare) signal this way. iirc the problem
were the standard file descriptors. i think i solved this by putting
them to /dev/null and probably /dev/zero
1344 [14:57:30] <simbalion> Ede|Popede: but it plays when video
isn't playing? I assumed it was an audio device thing
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1346 [14:57:58] <Ede|Popede> given that i remember correctly,
`script` may also be of help (in my case it was a short signal, it
would stop after this so no further I/O needed)
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1350 [15:01:17] <Ede|Popede> simbalion: then maybe another thing i
was struggling with a few times. i start some stuff from screen,
after having been kicked out from X i couldn't use the restored
session anymore for mplayer. had to define the correct X cookie in
the corresponging shell in screen, the value still was set to the
old one. maybe it doesn't get connection to the sound server
because of a wrong preset value.
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1352 [15:02:34] <simbalion> Here's what syslog says:
pulseaudio[13972]: [alsa-sink-ALC1150 Analog] alsa-sink.c: Error
opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy
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1365 [15:08:54] <shtrb> simbalion, it could be that pulse is using
something like a dbus to interact ? so your script need to use the
exact dbus message bus as a user running X ?
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1367 [15:09:36] <simbalion> shtrb: thats over my head to be honest
1368 [15:09:40] <shtrb> for instance when i need to use send-alert
i do sudo -u $user DISPLAY=$screen
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
/usr/bin/notify-send "$@" (per user )
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1371 [15:10:33] <shtrb> try setting up dbus_session in cron for
the first user for example (the one with X)
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/$uid/bus
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1374 [15:11:13] <shtrb> simbalion, that way it will be run with
the user credntials, X and dbus session (assuming your cron job
running as root and you can switch to the first user)
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1377 [15:11:50] <simbalion> in that error, is the dbus address
front:0 ?
1378 [15:12:09] <shtrb> sorry , I thought you are running from a
script not mpv
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1382 [15:12:28] <shtrb> it look like your screen address
1383 [15:12:40] <Ede|Popede> a wrapper script may help with
>log 2>&1
1384 [15:13:26] <simbalion> shtrb: The command is /usr/bin/mpg321
somefile.mp3
1385 [15:13:34] <simbalion> and it works from CLI while mpv is
running
1386 [15:13:39] <simbalion> or while netflix is playing in firefox
1387 [15:13:43] <simbalion> but it doesn't work from cron
1388 [15:13:44] <shtrb> *look like your sink not screen
1389 [15:14:05] <simbalion> and when the video stops, paused or
exited, it plays as if it was buffered or something
1390 [15:14:10] <simbalion> the sound*
1391 [15:14:49] <simbalion> So it only breaks as part of a cron
job
1392 [15:14:59] <simbalion> and only in conflict with other apps
using audio
1393 [15:15:14] <shtrb> cron runs in a different context try with
the sudo + dbus approach
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1396 [15:20:54] <aphorise> How do I get / install
linux-headers-4.19.0-rc7-amd64? - try doing `apt-get -t experimental
...`
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1400 [15:26:24] <simbalion> Tried the DBUS method, but that did
not fix it. The command runs according to the output log but then
pulseaudio complaints that it can't open the PCM device because
it's busy
1401 [15:26:41] <simbalion> "Nov 18 09:26:02 wargamer
pulseaudio[13972]: [alsa-sink-ALC1150 Analog] alsa-sink.c: Error
opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy"
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1403 [15:28:35] <shtrb> simbalion, try with a sudo -u simalion
DISPLAY=...
1404 [15:28:45] <simbalion> shtrb: I did
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1416 [15:40:00] <Ede|Popede> simbalion: you could also try to see
the differences between the both environments. instead of the player
do 'set > $HOME/cron.set' and do a diff with the
settings from inside X. may give a hint if some value is missing or
not correct.
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1418 [15:40:57] <piterkepan> czesc
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1421 [15:45:36] <simbalion> Ede|Popede: lol the cron ver has like
8 lines and the term ver has like 200 lines and is completely
different
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1423 [15:46:28] <Ede|Popede> simbalion: righto. and one of the
variables (you can skip the functions and aliases) from the
beginning may be relevant
1424 [15:47:20] <Ede|Popede> must admit, the output was really
impressive in the beginning. if you ever used dos you know the
limits there :)
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1427 [15:49:54] <simbalion> yeah doesn't seem like it
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1437 [15:53:06] <woenx> Hi. I would like some advice regarding
user permissions on shared folders.
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1439 [15:54:15] <woenx> I have some personal shared folders. I do
not want any other user to be able to access my directories, but I
need some other programs (like apache) to be access my folders.
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1444 [15:55:07] <woenx> the thing is, there are some other folders
which are owned by me, and want all other users to have read
permissions
1445 [15:55:30] <woenx> but I do not want to give read permissions
to "others", for security reasons
1446 [15:55:36] <woenx> what would be the correct approach?
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1453 [15:57:18] <at0m> woenx: groups
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1456 [15:57:58] <woenx> I was thinking of creating a
"family" group and changing the main shared folders (the
ones everyone has to access) to that group
1457 [15:58:06] <woenx> and then add people to that group. Would
that be reasonable?
1458 [15:58:09] <aphorise> I finally had success with
linux-headers-4.19.0-rc7-amd64 - this fixed my ethernet - now I am
struglling with nvidia... is there anyway of obtaining kernel 4.15
from apt / repo's?
1459 [15:58:18] <abrotman> judd: kernels
1460 [15:58:19] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid:
4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae
(4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
(4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2);
jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1);
jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
1461 [15:58:20] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1465 [16:00:16] <at0m> woenx: right. add
replaced-url
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1467 [16:01:01] <woenx> aha
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1471 [16:01:36] <woenx> Ok, I'll try that, I hope I
don't break anything :)
1472 [16:01:37] <at0m> s/chown 644/chmod 755
1473 [16:01:47] <woenx> I prefer using 750, just in case
1474 [16:01:50] <at0m> woenx: sorry i forgot the executable bit
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1476 [16:01:55] <at0m> exactly
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1480 [16:03:07] <woenx> so, for instance, I have a folder with
pictures that everyone in my family should be able to access (but
only I have permissions to write). right now the owner and the group
it's me. I could change the group to a new group called
"family" and all my family usernames to that group, right?
1481 [16:03:49] <woenx> (I just don't want anyone who can
connect to my wifi to be able to browser those folders, just my
family)
1482 [16:04:19] <at0m> how are you sharing the files? nfs? samba?
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1486 [16:05:17] <at0m> is your family using accounts on the same
computer?
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1493 [16:07:13] <woenx> yes
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1495 [16:07:20] <woenx> well, the accounts are defined on a debian
server
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1497 [16:07:35] <woenx> which are accessed from a couple computers
via sshfs
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1506 [16:09:54] <woenx> oh, that's another problem. the
folder is mounted as one of the users, so the mounted folders appear
as if they belong to the user that mounted them
1507 [16:09:56] <woenx> hmmmm
1508 [16:09:58] <at0m> sshfs is quite some overhead if all
machines are on the lan.
1509 [16:10:27] <at0m> (assuming machines on the lan are trusted)
1510 [16:10:35] <woenx> it's through wifi. but it's just
three computers, so it's no big deal. Performance is
acceptable.
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1512 [16:11:24] <woenx> what would you suggest instead of sshfs?
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1516 [16:11:58] <at0m> nfs if they're all linux machines
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1519 [16:13:02] <woenx> Mmm, currently they are.
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1523 [16:13:43] <at0m> i use nfs here, and that maxes out network
connections (ok maybe not the gigalan)
1524 [16:13:50] <woenx> I guess I could use mainly NFS for
mounting folders, and then sshfs when I need to access those folders
from outside my network
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1526 [16:13:56] <at0m> exactly
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1528 [16:14:03] <woenx> how is NFS, security wise?
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1534 [16:17:31] <at0m> woenx: maybe man nfs and check
"security considerations" there
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1536 [16:18:37] <at0m> woenx: since i'm the sole user (ok,
and my family) on the lan, i don't care much for auth once on
the LAN, so i haven't bothered setting up any authorization
scheme
1537 [16:18:54] <woenx> Yep, me neither... until now
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1540 [16:19:37] <woenx> Ok, I'm going to restart to test
something, brb
1541 [16:19:47] <woenx> (thanks for your advice)
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1553 [16:26:06] <ibanja> ''xdg-settings set
default-web-browser firefox.desktop'' returns
"thunderbird.desktop"
1554 [16:26:06] <ibanja> running the command
''xdg-settings set default-web-browser
firefox-esr.desktop'' does not change it.
1555 [16:26:06] <ibanja> Any ideas why this is happening? I also
tried making a file
''~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list''
and adding: text/html=firefox-esr.desktop;
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1564 [16:30:34] <simbalion> Nobody knows the answer in
#pulseaudio. This is proof that audio is still broken in linux, I
think.
1565 [16:30:56] <simbalion> I hate Windows but scheduled tasks can
play audio without hanging because a video is running.
1566 [16:31:09] <simbalion> it's a pretty simple thing that
shouldn't be impossible.
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1568 [16:31:42] <simbalion> it's weird that audio has been
such a failure for 30 years
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1573 [16:36:53] <simbalion> Is there an app that runs in X-windows
for scheduling tasks?
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1575 [16:38:03] <abrotman> for a human, or for the computer?
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1592 [16:43:22] <Dyl0n> Hi all !
1593 [16:43:42] <darkghost7> hi Dul0n
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1606 [16:49:19] <blz> Hello, I just added a new HDD to my box, but
I don't see it appearing in /dev/. I'm not sure what to do
from here.
1607 [16:49:27] <blz> Any help would be much appreciated
1608 [16:50:16] <joop_> blz: Perhaps it's a BIOS related
issue? Can you see your drive in the BIOS?
1609 [16:50:38] <blz> joop_: good call. Give me a minute to check.
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1615 [16:52:17] <bites> what kind of hdd? can you see it in lsblk
or dmesg?
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1621 [16:55:09] <blz> joop_: wtf I can't the disk list in my
bios :(
1622 [16:55:33] <joop_> That's odd
1623 [16:55:37] <blz> ah no false alram.
1624 [16:55:38] <blz> my bad
1625 [16:55:40] <bites> does it spin up? maybe try a different
cable and connector.
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1632 [16:58:52] <blz> joop_: ok this is odd. Of my 7 storage
devices, 3 are missing from BIOS but only 1 is missing from /dev ...
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1635 [17:00:05] <Brigo> blz, can you connect that disk to another
computer?
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1637 [17:00:11] <joop_> Perhaps your motherboard has two
SATA-controllers. My old Gigabyte motherboard used to have that.
1638 [17:00:23] <blz> Brigo: sadly not.
1639 [17:00:34] <blz> This is the only desktop I have access to
these days...
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1641 [17:00:40] <joop_> Oh that's sad/
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1644 [17:01:50] <blz> So when I boot, I get a 'ata7:
softreset failed (device not ready)' . Could this be related?
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1651 [17:02:13] <Brigo> blz, yes
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1653 [17:02:22] <blz> I probably should have started by mentioning
that. Apologies.
1654 [17:02:35] <Brigo> blz, it would be nice to know the related
device.
1655 [17:02:51] <blz> Brigo: How can I check?
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1658 [17:03:51] <Brigo> blz, not sure, maybe that ata7 is a clue
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1691 [17:14:08] <blz> Brigo, joop_ : hand-copied logs from dmesg:
replaced-url
1692 [17:14:22] <blz> Thoughts?
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1696 [17:15:07] <Brigo> blz, unplug the disk and check if the
errors disapears
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1717 [17:21:31] <joop_> Could be a faulty port, cable or drive
controller.
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1721 [17:23:00] <Brigo> joop_, or the controller itself or just
the disk.
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1723 [17:23:23] <joop_> yeh.
1724 [17:23:40] <joop_> blz: do you have another random disk
laying around?
1725 [17:23:58] <blz> No, I bought this one to replace a faulty
disk in a raid array :/
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1729 [17:24:37] <joop_> Brigo, blz: Would be nice if you could
test the system {without the disk, with another disk on that port}
1730 [17:25:03] <blz> joop_ Brigo :
replaced-url
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1735 [17:26:40] <blz> These are teh logs _without_ the new disk
plugged in.
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1738 [17:27:21] <blz> I see 'interface fatal error' is
this referring to the SCSI interface?
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1746 [17:29:00] <Brigo> blz, i see error with ata7 and ata8.
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1749 [17:29:26] <Brigo> that would be 3 disks. I think thatis
poiting to the motherboard.
1750 [17:29:27] <blz> Brigo: I'm fairly certain those are
both on a eSATA PCI card.
1751 [17:29:33] <Brigo> or configuration.
1752 [17:29:51] <blz> Brigo: 3 disks? I count two. ata7 and ata8.
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1754 [17:30:14] <Brigo> and the new disk.
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1757 [17:30:28] <blz> Brigo: ah ok. The new disk is ata7
(p<.001)
1758 [17:31:02] <blz> So i'm fairly confident that's 2
disks, and fairly confident it's an issue with the PCI SCSI
controller.
1759 [17:31:12] <blz> scsi/sata ... I can never remember the
difference.
1760 [17:31:42] <Brigo> blz, i think scsi is no more, is just the
system emulating it for some reason.
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1763 [17:34:48] <blz> sudo halt
1764 [17:34:53] <blz> whoops
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1766 [17:35:21] <joop_> lol
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1784 [17:47:31] <aphorise> Wireless-AC 9560 - is not working for
me on latest 9.6 with 4.9.130 kernel - download files from intel
which are .ucode files not sure what I'm suppose to do with
them?
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1787 [17:48:48] <Brigo> aphorise, was it working before?
1788 [17:49:04] <aphorise> Brigo - no - new install.
1789 [17:49:56] <aphorise> Oh I see I think I am suppose to copy
to /lib/firmware
1790 [17:50:01] <Brigo> aphorise, are non-free repositories
enabled?
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1792 [17:50:40] <aphorise> Brigo no actually - how to enable?
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1794 [17:51:05] <Brigo> you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
1795 [17:51:29] <aphorise> what am I adding? "non-free
contrib"?
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1798 [17:51:42] <Brigo> and add non-free and contrib to the end of
the file like this: deb
replaced-url
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1800 [17:53:04] <aphorise> Brigo - ok then what? - I've added
them
1801 [17:53:10] <Brigo> apt update
1802 [17:53:11] <aphorise> updated too.
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1806 [17:54:28] <aphorise> What to do after? - is there something
I need to install for Wireless-AC 9560 ? or just apt-get upgrade ?
1807 [17:54:50] <Brigo> try apt upgrade and let see if the system
is smart enought
1808 [17:55:02] <aphorise> Brigo - Nope nothing new
1809 [17:55:44] <Brigo> aphorise, the we have to figure out where
the drivers are. Probably in firmware-misc-nonfree
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1811 [17:56:14] <aphorise> I have the .ucode files I download from
intel - shall I try copying them to /lib/firmware and restart?
1812 [17:56:15] <Brigo> Wireless-AC 9560 is an intel card?
1813 [17:56:45] <Brigo> aphorise, you can but they can cause
troubles in the future, better get them from debian
1814 [17:56:51] <Brigo> it is just installing a package
1815 [17:57:02] <Brigo> what's the name of those files?
1816 [17:57:03] <aphorise> Brigo for sure I'd prefer that
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1819 [17:58:32] <Brigo> aphorise, check this package description:
firmware-iwlwifi
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1821 [17:59:03] <aphorise> Brigo
replaced-url
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1825 [18:00:29] <Brigo> aphorise, try installing that package.
1826 [18:00:34] <aphorise> Brigo
replaced-url
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1828 [18:01:12] <aphorise> Brigo just copy to /lib/firmware and
reboot or do I need to modprob or something after copying?
1829 [18:01:17] <Brigo> i think your firware from intel is too
new, maybe it won't work with stretch kernel.
1830 [18:01:24] <Brigo> aphorise, you can try but ...
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1832 [18:02:03] <Brigo> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
1833 [18:02:05] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43;
jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
20161130-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1;
buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1
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1835 [18:02:06] <aphorise> Brigo FYI I already tried latest
4.19.0-rc7-amd64 asa well in unstable which helped with somethings
like ethernet out of the box but not wifi.
1836 [18:02:48] <Brigo> aphorise, sorry , i have to go.
1837 [18:03:06] <aphorise> Brigo np - thx
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1839 [18:03:32] <Brigo> aphorise, your driver version, 9000 will
be in the buster package.
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1844 [18:05:52] <shtrb> aphorise, dmesg| grep firmware to see what
actually is needed
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1846 [18:06:29] * shtrb bows in the face of aphorise laptop
1847 [18:07:34] <shtrb> aphorise, try getting
iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
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1849 [18:09:17] <aphorise> shtrb from where? intel? - one sec
trying to get dmesg output
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1854 [18:10:12] <shtrb> aphorise, from firmware-iwlwifi (buster or
sid)
1855 [18:10:20] <shtrb> download / unpack copy the file
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1858 [18:11:25] <aphorise> shtrb
replaced-url
1859 [18:11:25] <shtrb> , iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
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1861 [18:11:34] <shtrb> ,iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
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1863 [18:11:44] <shtrb> judd you piece of crap , where is
iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
1864 [18:11:59] <shtrb> ,file iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
1865 [18:12:04] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
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1867 [18:12:28] <aphorise> shtrb so add "buster" to
/etc/part/sources.list ?
1868 [18:12:36] <shtrb> no!
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1875 [18:14:07] <aphorise> e1000e ehternet actually didnt work - I
had to use drivers from intel as well... it was a challenge all in
all getting here - had to use wifi dongle :-)
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1878 [18:15:01] <shtrb> aphorise, you have a bucket load of errors
there , but nothing about iwlwifi
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1880 [18:15:32] <dvs> shtrb, add stretch-backports to sources.list
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1882 [18:15:48] <shtrb> aphorise, ^
1883 [18:16:27] <shtrb> aphorise, lspci -nnk
1884 [18:17:09] <aphorise> ok added strech-backports and update
but nothing new still
1885 [18:17:23] <shtrb> You may need to upgrade your BIOS (because
of your ACPI errors) , consolete your support if that is safe
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1887 [18:18:02] <aphorise> shtrb
replaced-url
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1892 [18:19:32] <dvs> aphorise, apt -t stretch-backports upgrade
firmware-iwlwifi kernel-image-amd64
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1895 [18:19:56] <shtrb> reboot woould be needed
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1898 [18:20:31] <shtrb> aphorise, nice P2000 out there
1899 [18:20:54] <aphorise> Unable to loate package
kernel-image-amd64
1900 [18:20:59] <aphorise> locate*
1901 [18:21:08] <dvs> oops linux-image-amd64
1902 [18:21:27] <aphorise> ok a bunch of stuff
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1905 [18:21:49] <aphorise> 4.16 stuff I am seeing
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1907 [18:22:17] <aphorise> Oh wait its mixed - I wonder what I
will end up with lets see :-) - will reboot after its done
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1910 [18:23:10] <aphorise> I tried updating ot 4.18 previously and
a lot of things broke... then 4.19 that also didnt help
1911 [18:23:40] <shtrb> !bat
1912 [18:23:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1913 [18:23:42] <aphorise> What is the difference between apt
& apt-get?
1914 [18:24:35] <dvs> one of them has more consistent prompts
(apt-get?)
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1920 [18:26:31] <aloo_shu> they used to be different, but since ?,
apt is delegating commands to apt-get , apt-cache etc. acting as a
one stop shop, afaik
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1930 [18:32:19] <aphorise> wow boot into gnome has become mega
slow
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1932 [18:33:48] <shtrb> network services may be lagging
1933 [18:33:51] <aphorise> I had this issue before actually - I
get to gdm login page but it doesnt login now on 4.18
1934 [18:34:09] <shtrb> you didn't do a full reboot
1935 [18:34:24] <shtrb> *you wasn't disconnected
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1937 [18:34:47] <aphorise> shtrb I did a full reboot
1938 [18:35:05] <shtrb> on the same machine this IRC is working ?
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1941 [18:35:28] <shtrb> check your .xsession-errors to see what
caused failure to login (also in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1943 [18:36:07] <aphorise> shtrb
replaced-url
1944 [18:36:11] <shtrb> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log and grep EE
~/.xsession-errors
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1950 [18:38:00] <shtrb> how can you have both nouveau and nvidia
module loaded at the same time ?
1951 [18:38:30] <aphorise> shtrb
replaced-url
1952 [18:39:05] <shtrb> aphorise, I don't understand your
setup you have both nvidia and the opensource module at the same
time
1953 [18:39:12] <aphorise> shtrb I dont think so I saw some doc
suggesting so... I used nvidia's on .sh install though - how
can I disable it?
1954 [18:39:40] <aphorise> just uninstall nouveau?
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1956 [18:39:52] <shtrb> you can blacklist nueovo for instance
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1960 [18:41:35] <untitled> Hi. Anyone updated tomcat recently to
version 8.5.35 and got any problems with ssl?
1961 [18:42:03] <aphorise> shtrb printf 'blacklist
nouveau\n' > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ?
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1965 [18:43:04] <shtrb> NO ! >>
1966 [18:43:18] <aphorise> shtrb file doesnt exit though :)
1967 [18:43:38] <aphorise> ok done update-initramfs -u - rebooting
1968 [18:44:01] <shtrb> just remember to remove it in case of an
error
1969 [18:44:14] <shtrb> you could also just use nvidia-driver to
install the debian way
1970 [18:44:16] <aphorise> remove what?
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1972 [18:45:25] <aphorise> Its continusly flickering now between
terminal mode and graphics mode.
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1974 [18:45:48] <aphorise> I had this issue as well before where
it eventually stops or I am able to get to ctrl+alt+f2
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1979 [18:46:41] <shtrb> ctrl+alt+f1 remove your line from
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf , reboot ,uninstall your nvidia
solution , use the debian installation way
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1981 [18:47:53] <shtrb> but that will not solve your wifi issue
(*)
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1983 [18:47:59] <aphorise> How to uninstall just run the same .sh
again?
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1986 [18:49:52] <stripe> hi all, trying to do a net install, but
on reboot it just freezes so I cannot drop to tty and install the
amd firmware, any ideas? cheers
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1995 [18:53:28] <nkuttler> stripe: define freeze. which amd
firmware?
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2004 [18:56:39] <aphorise> shtrb actually wifi seems to be fixed
so I just need to focus on restoring nvidia now.
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2006 [18:56:55] <stripe> nkuttler: posts error about missing
firmware and just sits there, cant even alt+del+f2 to get a tty (its
an amd rx580 graphics card which needs the firmware-amd-graphics.deb
package)
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2010 [18:57:17] <shtrb> :D
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2012 [18:58:47] <stripe> nkuttler: even tried a minimal install
(no xserver or gui) and it still freezes
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2017 [19:00:16] <aphorise>
replaced-url
2018 [19:00:34] <aphorise> Oh wait I get it :-p
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2027 [19:06:06] <aphorise> shtrb I think I install debian way as
per:
replaced-url
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2029 [19:07:29] <shtrb> what does a recent (stretch-backports)
nvidia-detect say to you ?
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2032 [19:08:22] <aphorise> shtrb same as before with Oh oh. Your
card is not supporter by any driver version up to 384.130..
2033 [19:08:54] <aphorise> lsmod
2034 [19:09:03] <shtrb> backports should give you data about
390.48
2035 [19:09:10] <aphorise> ops lsmod | grep nou doesnto show
module any more either.
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2040 [19:13:24] <jhutchins> aphorise: nvidia-detect (from the
package of the same name) will tell you what driver you're
using.
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2054 [19:25:58] <jhutchins> I see that was already suggested.
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2079 [19:39:10] <jhutchins> Fixed the GLX problem after upgrade
from jessie to stretch. The Debian-provided nvidia-driver has caught
up with my card.
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2081 [19:39:32] <jhutchins> bash NVIDIA...run -uninstall
&& apt install nvidia-driver
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2084 [19:40:47] <jhutchins> It was running the nouveau driver. I
thought nvidia-detect told me that, but now it's not saying
which driver is in use.
2085 [19:40:57] <jhutchins> Anyway, glx works again.
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2142 [20:07:41] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys i cant get my wifi
working... on dmesg it says it couldnt start intel iwlwifi module
2143 [20:07:55] <InvisibleRasta> i did the isntall with bootstrap
2144 [20:08:01] <InvisibleRasta> if that can make a difference
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2151 [20:13:23] <watchcat> is the unadjustable mouse
acceleration/sensitivity bug slated for a fix in buster?
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2160 [20:19:37] <RoyK> watchcat: which bug id?
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2163 [20:20:55] <watchcat> i don't know if it's been
reported as an official bug. but stretch has had it all along.
2164 [20:21:16] <watchcat> at least with mate anyway.
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2167 [20:23:11] <RoyK> then report the bug
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2169 [20:23:34] <RoyK> possibly it's something wrong at your
place - or it would have been reported ages ago
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2176 [20:26:26] <noln> or it's intermittent, dependent on
local factors (hardware? driver? other unrelated packages?),
heisenbug, or already reported upstream, or maybe just nobody
reported it
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2179 [20:27:13] <watchcat> ok. you can work around it by
uninstalling libinput and reinstalling the older evdev. so possibly
due to transition to wayland.
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2181 [20:27:48] <watchcat> not that terrible so probably just
unreported.
2182 [20:28:30] <noln> ^ and that's the kind of info that
usually turns out to be helpful for the developers and for fellow
users googling for the same problem
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2185 [20:29:20] <Aebian> whats the best way to get glibc_2.27 or
higher? compile from source or is there a package already available?
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2192 [20:32:26] <noln> Aebian, why would you need it?
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2203 [20:36:03] <Aebian> a program requires it. But I guess
I'll stick to the deb file from ftp.ca.debian.org/debian as
sudo apt-get install libc6-dev=2.27 does not find the version
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2207 [20:39:35] <noln> too many packages depend on it to be safe
to install on the running system. Chroot into debian buster
installed in a virtual machine (netinst) or debootstrap
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2264 [21:04:33] <Aebian> I see... I did a mess
replaced-url
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2270 [21:08:49] <at0m> Aebian: how did you become root? try
"su -" before you apt -f install
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2274 [21:09:11] <Aebian> well either via sudo ir via sudo -i
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2276 [21:10:23] <Aebian> even directly as root I get the errors
and also added the path variables to see if that makes any
difference
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2278 [21:10:51] <at0m> long as you don't just "su"
to become root
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2281 [21:12:33] <Aebian> I used sudo -i which translates into su -
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2284 [21:14:10] <noln> the errors are not the problem, downgrade
the package if still possible
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2301 [21:21:53] <Aebian> tried this:
replaced-url
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2303 [21:22:14] <Letto> At irc.debian.org I get [Channel] Cannot
join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this
channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and
verify.) , after I just registered and identified... Any ideas ?
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2306 [21:24:28] <at0m> Letto: so you've identified, now login
at
replaced-url
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2308 [21:24:56] <at0m> that's irc.debian.org, right?
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2310 [21:25:13] <Letto> Yes
2311 [21:25:19] <Letto> Thanks :)
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2319 [21:29:59] <Ede|Popede> uh, the webz as gatekeeper to irc?
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2321 [21:31:18] <p3rror> Hello
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2336 [21:39:13] <at0m> Ede|Popede: i guess it was either that, or
email ;p
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2349 [21:53:32] <Ede|Popede> oh, a good alternative to emails
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2358 [21:59:30] <at0m> Ede|Popede: right, as in "works via
any proxy" plus "no email required"
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2361 [22:01:09] <Ede|Popede> at0m: nice if you have your mails on
one of the msn/live resellers (where nobody has a definitive list
of). tend to block especially smaller, unknown networks.
2362 [22:03:02] <at0m> Ede|Popede: or if you're looking for
tor support. which is also hosted on that network.
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2402 [22:28:33] <hydrajump> after using `debootstrap --arch amd64
--variant=minbase stretch
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2404 [22:30:17] <JPT> For a basic chroot, you'll need /dev,
/sys and /proc
2405 [22:30:26] <JPT> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/target/dev and so on
2406 [22:30:27] <hydrajump> in the man page for debootstrap
there's an example that only mounts `sysfs` and `proc` but
other places mount `dev` as well.
2407 [22:30:44] <noln> dev/pts
2408 [22:30:57] <noln> I usually mount --bind --make-rprivate,
dunno whether that's required
2409 [22:31:32] <JPT> dev is important if you mess with the
bootloader. Also, run mount -a after chroot in case your fstab
contains more essential partitions
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2453 [22:59:15] <Ooze> Hey guys. Rebuilding and trying to update
my fstab w/ my prior config. My network share isn't mounting
the way I expect it to. Previously I had been using DNS, but now
I'm using the IP until my domain controllers are built out
2454 [22:59:19] <Ooze> 192.168.1.106:/volume1/NAS /media/NAS nfs
noauto,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=10,timeo=14,x-systemd.idle-timeout=1min,sync
0 0
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2456 [23:00:22] <Ooze> I've created the /media/NAS dir and
set proper permissions, but after rebooting w/ this config the owner
is changed to root and it says the device doesn't exist
2457 [23:00:24] <Ooze> Any ideas?
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2459 [23:02:19] <petn-randall> Ooze: Which OS is this?
2460 [23:02:46] <Ooze> Debian 9
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2465 [23:03:42] <tsarompy> hi #debian <3
2466 [23:03:50] <tsarompy> i dont need gvfs running under kde do
i?
2467 [23:03:55] <tsarompy> i mean, im under the impression kde
uses kio
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2469 [23:04:02] <tsarompy> but im not totally sure
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2472 [23:05:54] <petn-randall> Probably not, but strictly speaking
you don't really need kio under KDE, either.
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2474 [23:06:19] <hydrajump> JPT: is this the right way:
2475 [23:06:24] <hydrajump> mount -t proc /proc /target/proc
2476 [23:06:27] <hydrajump> mount -t sysfs /sys /target/sys
2477 [23:06:29] <hydrajump> mount -o bind /dev /target/devy
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2479 [23:06:57] <rudi_s> You can use bind for every mount.
2480 [23:07:12] <tsarompy> ok thanks
2481 [23:07:15] <tsarompy> <333
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2490 [23:09:18] <Ooze> Sorry, having client issues
2491 [23:09:41] <Ooze> Anything noticeably with that fstab line?
2492 [23:10:00] <petn-randall> Ooze: So when rebooting, it just
fails to mount?
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2494 [23:10:32] <Ooze> Seems that way, but the mountpoint changes
to root ownership
2495 [23:10:37] <Ooze> Startup isn't interupted
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2502 [23:12:56] <petn-randall> Ooze: You can verify that with
looking at the output of 'mount'.
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2504 [23:13:34] <Ooze> systemd-1 on /media/NFS type autofs
(rw,relatime,fd=25,pgrp=1,timeout=60,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct,pipe_ino=9188)
2505 [23:13:47] <Ooze> systemd-1 on /media/NAS* type autofs
(rw,relatime,fd=25,pgrp=1,timeout=60,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct,pipe_ino=9188)
2506 [23:13:56] <Ooze> I changed the original share name :)
2507 [23:14:16] <hydrajump> rudi_s: is there any difference
between bind mounting each of those vs what I was doing?
2508 [23:14:30] <Ooze> I don't think I have my credentials
declared anywhere
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2513 [23:16:41] <rudi_s> hydrajump: AFAIK no. They are both
virtual file systems of the kernel, so the bind mount should equal
the individual mount.
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2515 [23:17:13] <Ooze> So it looks like it is mounting then,
petn-randall ?
2516 [23:17:14] <ghormoon> hi, can I somehow make udev rule that
would have multiple mac addresses for the same eth0 or I need to
hack it around other way? (need rescue flashdisk that doesn't
care which servet it's on and has to properly map bonds)
2517 [23:17:16] <rudi_s> I just like the bind because it's
less typing.
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2520 [23:18:03] <hydrajump> rudi_s: cool thank you for explaining.
So I'll change to doing `for i in dev,proc,sys; do mount -o
bind /$i /target/$i;done`
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2551 [23:43:10] <jhutchins> xfce has developed some strange habits
since I upgraded to stretch, particularly noticible in chrome.
2552 [23:43:31] <rudi_s> np
2553 [23:43:55] <jhutchins> Shift-up arrow won't work to mark
text, it doesn't move the cursor. Alt-F4 doesn't close
windows.
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2555 [23:44:07] <jhutchins> Alt-left won't go back.
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2560 [23:48:34] <rant> works for me
2561 [23:48:49] <rant> I'm using xfce in stretch and all of
those worked for me
2562 [23:49:30] <rant> and I'm precisely as think as you
drunk I am. and it still worked
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2564 [23:51:30] <rant> works in both chromium and google chrome on
XFCE in Stetch
2565 [23:51:39] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins: did you try to reassign
those shortcuts? to see what the settings dialog does when you press
them
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2568 [23:52:46] <ghormoon> I've debootstrapped debian o a usb
disk and grub doesn't configure it ,what am I missing? I'm
runnig update-grub2 in chroot with /dev/, /dev/pts, /sys, /proc
mounted with --bind, added the uuid to /etc/fstab as /, but still it
doesn't seem to notice it and configure in grub.cfg
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2573 [23:55:40] <ghormoon> nevermind, kernel missing, debiitstrap
doesn't install it
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