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20 [00:10:24] <sorta> why is python3-theano "not
available" but known to apt-get? I'm trying to install
python3-keras from experimental
21 [00:10:38] <somiaj> sorta: what version of debian are you
running?
22 [00:10:45] <sorta> 8.6
23 [00:10:59] <somiaj> sorta: you do not want to install
experimental packages on stable.
24 [00:11:07] <somiaj> sorta: make a backport if you really need
it
25 [00:11:24] <n4dir> i always think: now i have really heard it
all. And i am always wrong.
26 [00:11:34] <somiaj> sorta: but the erason beign is
exerpimential is not a complete component, it only contains select
packages which are built against sid, so the depends may be living
in sid.
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29 [00:12:55] <sorta> ok thanks. will try to install via pip,
but this package often has trouble with that. might just make the
move to sid
30 [00:13:32] <somiaj> sorta: I would use a python virtual
enviroment, though if the python3 in jessie doesn't support
these newer libaries you may have to get a newer python3 locally
installed (outside of $PATH)
31 [00:13:55] <somiaj> sorta: also stretch is freezing and
releasing this year, so just be paitent and stick with stable is my
suggestion over running sid.
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38 [00:18:49] <st3fann> hello, Im trying to remove the temp
screen file at /dev/pts/1, but I dont have enough permissions, even
as root. I have done some reading and it looks like its set up as a
symlink (I think?) any help would be greatly appreciated!
39 [00:18:56] <st3fann> this is the output of lsattr:
Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on .
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41 [00:19:29] <somiaj> is screen running?
42 [00:19:41] <st3fann> nope
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44 [00:20:20] <somiaj> well /dev/pts/1 isn't a semilink
here
45 [00:20:47] <st3fann> Hmm, to be honest I dont have much
experience with symlinks, but the permissions seem to allow me to
delete it
46 [00:20:52] <Iridos> why would you ever want to remove a
virtual tty
47 [00:21:00] <st3fann> I cannot start screen without removing
it
48 [00:21:07] <somiaj> oh my system they seem to be created when
needed but aren't taken away, unsure if it matters if they are
taken away when no longer in use.
49 [00:21:27] <st3fann> ^^ exact same situation
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52 [00:21:52] <st3fann> but they do need to be taken away, I
think the problem comes when they are not detached or killed
properly, but I have a script that automatically starts them for
users
53 [00:22:01] <Iridos> that sounds doubtful… ask the
<real question> what is the error you get from screen?
54 [00:22:06] <st3fann> not usually an issue, since I can
manually delete the pts file when I run into an issue
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57 [00:22:46] <somiaj> I have yet to run into an issue with this
with xterms, screen and tmux access them as needed
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59 [00:23:08] <st3fann> Ohhh!! it just started working again,
not sure what I did to fix it
60 [00:23:18] <st3fann> this was the error I was getting: Cannot
open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check.
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63 [00:24:09] <somiaj> actually on my system, they do go away, I
just had some process holding a high number open. Seems all up to
the max number are avalable
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65 [00:24:42] <somiaj> st3fann: what are the permissions on
/dev/pts/0
66 [00:25:11] <st3fann> somiaj: I had set them to 777 because
they werent deleting
67 [00:25:25] <st3fann> but I would assume 644 before? probably
lower than that
68 [00:25:36] <st3fann> shouldnt block root from
modifying/deleting though I didnt think
69 [00:25:56] <Iridos> hm, typically you get that error if you
try to connect to a terminal owned by a different user… and
possibly root that did a su to your regular user
70 [00:26:41] <st3fann> that was it, I was suing to the regular
user
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72 [00:27:04] <st3fann> is there any way to fix that without
deleting the pts file while suing to a user?
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75 [00:27:37] <Iridos> guess the pts will still be root-owned
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79 [00:28:22] <Iridos> but I think "just don't do
that" is the best…
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81 [00:28:49] <st3fann> Ah makes sense, yeah I try not to, but I
restrict the users to SFTP only, so it creates some issues
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83 [00:29:00] <st3fann> also I dont know their passwords, but
that could be fixed with ssh key auth
84 [00:29:09] <Iridos> possibly su - behaves differently.
That's pretty esoteric stuff, though
85 [00:29:38] <st3fann> hm yeah will look into it
86 [00:29:44] <n4dir> not really esoteric:
87 [00:29:47] <somiaj> maybe not start screen as root, but as
the user then su to root inside?
88 [00:29:48] <st3fann> or run screen as root, then su
89 [00:29:48] <n4dir> -, -l, --login
90 [00:29:48] <n4dir> Provide an environment similar to what the
user would expect had the user logged in
91 [00:29:48] <n4dir> directly.
92 [00:29:49] <Iridos> i.e. I didn't really experiment with
it
93 [00:30:08] <st3fann> exactly somiaj
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95 [00:30:39] <petemc> when i used to snoop on users screen
sessions i would chown user `tty`
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106 [00:32:33] <st3fann> how do I change a users home directory
btw?
107 [00:32:48] <Iridos> well, pretty esoteric for me, as I
usually only go user -> root … and when I did go the other
way around never had the idea to use screen
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109 [00:33:08] <jrtc27> st3fann: usermod --home, or usermod
--move-home if you want to move the contents too
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112 [00:33:16] <Iridos> but yes… doing so or so -
doesn't change ownership of the tty
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116 [00:34:13] <n4dir> for "su - " it is just the same,
as far i can tell
117 [00:34:16] <st3fann> jrtc27: usermod: user rise is currently
used by process 20956
118 [00:34:32] <st3fann> argh ill figure it out - I can't
seem to kill that PID
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121 [00:35:05] <Iridos> err, "su" or "su -"
–
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123 [00:35:37] <jrtc27> st3fann: kill -9 if you're
desperate....
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129 [00:36:23] <st3fann> Thank you so much guys, been a ton of
help!!
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131 [00:36:53] <Iridos> just look what that pid is…
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134 [00:37:20] <st3fann> wasn't showing up in htop Iridos
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136 [00:37:38] <Iridos> ps aux | grep 20956
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143 [00:38:11] <Iridos> htop as well as top only show the
processes that are "top" of the list in some way…
hence the name
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146 [00:39:01] <st3fann> Iridos: what do you mean top of the
list? Most resources?
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149 [00:39:47] <Iridos> yes… which resource you can choose
with "<" ( see man htop )
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157 [00:43:55] <st3fann> happening again btw:
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158 [00:44:03] <st3fann> Im going to see what I can do to fix it
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161 [00:44:28] <st3fann> yep, logging in as user allows me to
access screen
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172 [00:48:30] <rwwishart> testing
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175 [00:49:40] <Iridos> st3fann, well, chown rise /dev/pts/2,
obviously… but then a normal user can access what is roots
pty
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177 [00:51:23] <stew> woah, I wouldn't go changing ownership
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180 [00:51:43] <stew> st3fann: you can force a new tty to be
created with "script /dev/null" before you launch screen
181 [00:51:56] <stew> the new pts created will be owned by the
user you su to
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183 [00:52:28] <st3fann> Hm will try that next time, thank you
stew
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187 [00:53:48] <Iridos> oh, typescript?
188 [00:54:01] <Iridos> yeah, better, but still pretty hackish
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194 [00:58:11] <_abc_> Hello. Been playing with 8.6's for a
few weeks, today I tried 2 versions, +nonfree and normal, 8.7,
before it was 8.6. Comparing with 7.11 (free and later +nonfree): -
8.x boots 2x slower, breaks ati nvidia drivers which work on 7.11
perfectly ...
195 [00:58:15] <_abc_> ... (nonfree), causing broken unusable
desktop display, 8.x takes easily 2x longer to boot and shut down on
the same machine (2GB ram not swapping). The only media used was a
usb stick, all disks removed.
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198 [00:59:25] <_abc_> Additionally: none of the live 8.x images
I tried has a working memtest or hdt tool in the boot menu, files
are missing, the 7.11's memtest is present, the hdt is present
but the pci.ids file is missing so no textual information where
it's most important.
199 [00:59:42] <n4dir> you have got a question?
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201 [01:00:04] <_abc_> I would like to know if these problems
(missing memtest and hdt) are going to remain as a feature of all
new releases, since they seem to be broken since 7.9 at least?
202 [01:00:45] <_abc_> If these are important anywhere, then
it's on a live dvd. Also I had to install lshw manually to make
sense of hw. Please, why are the hw detection and setting tools not
a standard feature in the live dvds?
203 [01:00:54] <_abc_> n4dir: ^
204 [01:01:59] <_abc_> Are there beta/alpha testers for live dvd
releases who test the images before release to the public? I would
like to meet such people? And perhaps become one, informally.
205 [01:02:19] <n4dir> ! debian-live
206 [01:02:19] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
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207 [01:02:37] <_abc_> ! live login
208 [01:02:38] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8
"Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use.
username: user ; password: live
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210 [01:02:56] <stew> _abc_: you want #debian-live on
irc.debian.org
211 [01:03:05] <_abc_> stew: noted, thanks
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216 [01:08:26] <Iridos> why should jessie with systemd boot so
much slower?
217 [01:08:30] <Iridos> that defies all reason
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222 [01:11:30] <n4dir> reason or not, it happened to me too. iirc
it waited for network to be up.
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225 [01:12:07] <Guest5191> does anybody know how to remove
Mirai-1?
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227 [01:12:17] <Iridos> you could now run systemd-analyze as far
as I know…
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229 [01:12:53] <TomTomTo1> misconfigured network doesn't
count!
230 [01:13:00] <TomTomTo1> ^^
231 [01:13:07] <Iridos> but you couldn't compare that to
wheezy
232 [01:13:49] <Iridos> well… wouldn't you
misconfigure the network equally in both versions and so it'd
still be a fair comparison?
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234 [01:15:12] <n4dir> it wasn't misconfigured. Well:
anyway. It took minutes to boot. So yes: it can happen.
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247 [01:22:01] <Iridos> well, systemd-analyze blame would be
interesting in that case…
248 [01:23:16] <Iridos> hm, for the desktop at work it claims to
have needed 2 minutes to boot
249 [01:23:35] <Iridos> but I can't really remember how long
it booted 103 days ago
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251 [01:24:27] <Guest5191> ClamAV on my system identifies
"usb_bus.x86: Unix.Trojan.Mirai-1 FOUND" somebody got in
and ran this now i need to remove it. Any suggestions?
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260 [01:29:45] <_0> howdoyoudo! how to avoid rotted bits?
261 [01:30:19] <_0> or debian rotted by default?
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263 [01:31:09] <_0> i think so)
264 [01:31:20] <Arcaire> wut
265 [01:31:25] <Svetlana> rotted how ?
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268 [01:32:12] <_0> Svetlana, gimme all your money)
269 [01:32:25] <theneverlution> no
270 [01:32:25] <_0> and i say)
271 [01:32:44] <babilen> _0: Play elsewhere please
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273 [01:32:58] <theneverlution> ^
274 [01:33:01] <machinehum> Was the package
"python-wxgtk2.8" deprecated?
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276 [01:33:12] <machinehum> I'm trying to install Maxfem
277 [01:33:15] <machinehum> and it's a dep
278 [01:33:23] <pingouin> see you #debian !
279 [01:33:25] <babilen> machinehum: It was removed past wheezy
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282 [01:34:01] <_abc_> Does 8.7 have systemd by default? On the
live dvd?
283 [01:34:23] <missmbob> _abc_: yes
284 [01:34:28] * _abc_ read backlog about n4dir's comment
285 [01:34:38] <babilen> machinehum: Might want to build/develop
against python-wxgtk3.0 which is in jessie and stretch
286 [01:34:55] <_abc_> This has got to be a joke. Stand alone
machine, boot delayed because no network?!
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288 [01:35:00] <machinehum> babilen: Thanks
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291 [01:35:25] <babilen> machinehum: If that isn't your
package and if the software only support 2.8 you might be out of
luck though
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293 [01:35:33] <_abc_> I know I will get flamed, but how far has
systemd less debian come? I do not want to be a beta tester.
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297 [01:35:40] <_abc_> Of neither version.
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299 [01:35:56] <n4dir> ! why systemd
300 [01:35:57] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading
rra's excellent analysis at
replaced-url
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302 [01:36:43] <missmbob> _abc_: ask them
303 [01:36:44] <machinehum> babilen: It looks like it, I got 3.0
already install
304 [01:36:48] <machinehum> installed*
305 [01:37:04] <machinehum> I'm guessing it would be a bad
decision to install 2.8 using some old stuff
306 [01:37:05] <_abc_> I have read analyses ad nauseam. I am not
interested, sorry. I am interested in boot and shutdown time 3x that
of the previous version (7.11), non working things, and no error
reporting at all when booting (8.x) on hardware which previously
worked ...
307 [01:37:09] <_abc_> ... perfectly and still does in 7x
308 [01:38:03] <_abc_> And I expect the live dvd which is used
for installation to be a reasonable test for the system which will
or will not be installed based on that.
309 [01:38:15] <n4dir> i see that. thing is: that discussion is
over in debian. at least for now
310 [01:38:16] <babilen> My boxes boot a lot faster on jessie,
but why would any of that anecdotal evidence matter?
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313 [01:38:35] <babilen> Live images aren't used for
installation
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315 [01:38:46] <_abc_> Missing hw detection tools and seriously
flawed boot options are not going in the right direction. And yes,
this is about debian. Specifically 7.11.0 to 8.3 8.6 and 8.7. Tried
all these.
316 [01:38:55] <babilen> Well, some people do use them, but they
are neither recommended nor frequently used
317 [01:39:07] <_abc_> babilen: what happens if your machines are
unplugged and booted stand alone?
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319 [01:39:29] <babilen> They have no power and don't turn
on
320 [01:39:43] * _abc_ will stay with 7.11.0 for now. Nonworking
systems are not an option.
321 [01:39:58] <_abc_> babilen: assume they are in a place which
does not have net access/that is broken
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323 [01:40:05] <_abc_> What happens? No computer?
324 [01:40:15] <_abc_> Sounds like Android, you know.
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327 [01:41:06] <n4dir> kFreeBSD is not official, but still an
option. There are many options. But discussing it here won't
change a thing (as far i can see).
328 [01:41:24] <babilen> I fail to see what any of this has to do
with whatever problem you are trying to solve. But it so happened
that I booted my workstation without network just the other day and
I did not notice any obvious delay.
329 [01:41:24] <n4dir> Just like debian-live. It is the way it is
because the folks who do it want it that way.
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331 [01:41:48] * _abc_ is seriously considering going bsd fyi. And uses
slackware and probably later arch on machine which he can NOT afford
not to work.
332 [01:42:00] <babilen> You can either try to solve *your*
problem or spend time on something else.
333 [01:42:05] <n4dir> arch uses systemd as default too.
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335 [01:42:13] <_abc_> Right, imho, the 1st step is in discussing
it
336 [01:42:19] <borsin> whats wrong with systemd
337 [01:42:21] <Iridos> did you even read the replies?
338 [01:42:37] <_abc_> Yes but they seem to get the default
settings slightle better suited to common use?
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340 [01:42:44] <missmbob> you didnt discuss anything. you
rambled. i doubt anyone knows wtf you're talking about
341 [01:42:51] <_abc_> :)
342 [01:43:37] <babilen> Which of the five problems are we
analysing? Where is information as to which versions are installed?
systemd analyze blame output? Boottime comparisons?
343 [01:43:53] <_abc_> Okay, please suggest a troubleshooting
howto assuming 8.7 boots from live dvd and is to be made to work,
when the display acts up and the netwotk card has no suitable
driver. I assume one boots into safe mode live image, then what?
344 [01:43:57] <n4dir> probably the assumption that discussing
something *here* or giving feedback *here* has any influence on the
way debian does it
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346 [01:44:13] <_abc_> n4dir: Oh, I gave up hope on that a long
time ago.
347 [01:44:33] <x032cx> _abc_ fyi debian works out of the box
usually and usb stick are usually slower to boot than hdds
348 [01:44:40] <missmbob> there are live images with non-free
firmware built in
349 [01:44:47] <missmbob> so you use those instead
350 [01:44:50] <babilen> Is this entirely about live images?
351 [01:44:54] <_abc_> USB3.0 stick is slightly faster than the
old hdd here. But this is an extreme case.
352 [01:45:04] <klys> _abc_ if the network card has no suitable
driver you get a kernel tree and rebuild linux.
353 [01:45:12] <n4dir> if only i knew what this is about. but at
2 in the night everything is enteraining
354 [01:45:27] <_abc_> Is there a specific variant of debian live
releases which is tailored for laptops? Perhaps with more laptop
oriented drivers on it natively?
355 [01:45:37] <babilen> _abc_: Please pick a single problem that
you'd like to solve, describe it in as much detail as you can
and help us *helping you* to solve *your* problem
356 [01:45:39] * _abc_ tries to belly dance
357 [01:45:50] <_abc_> Is there a specific variant of debian live
releases which is tailored for laptops? Perhaps with more laptop
oriented drivers on it natively? <- one step at a time
358 [01:45:54] <n4dir> when it comes to live CDs i for one
wouldn't think of the debian ones as the first choice.
359 [01:46:00] <missmbob> !live firmware
360 [01:46:00] <dpkg> Live images with firmware included can be
found at
replaced-url
361 [01:46:05] <babilen> And, as has been mentioned earlier,
#debian-live is a good place for problems with Live images
362 [01:46:16] <missmbob> _abc_: you use those ^
363 [01:46:23] <_abc_> step two: please link me to a howto on how
to troubleshoot systemd? I heard something about blame?
364 [01:46:38] <klys> _abc_ help us find software for your
network hardware. is it in lspci -vvv ?
365 [01:46:44] <Iridos> we gave you the command multiple times
now?
366 [01:46:52] <_abc_> I have used the nonfree and then the free
versions of the above. Same outcome. When I booted them.
367 [01:46:54] <Iridos> you could have just… ya
know… like… run it?
368 [01:47:12] <babilen> _abc_: Read up on systemd-analyze
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370 [01:47:19] <_abc_> Iridos: the system is not in front of me.
I'm way past working on it for today.
371 [01:47:22] <_abc_> babilen: okay
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373 [01:47:30] <babilen> _abc_: So, what are you trying to
achieve now?
374 [01:47:38] <Zardoz> anyone running KVM?
375 [01:47:46] <_abc_> Acquire information for a new attempt
tomorrow babilen
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378 [01:49:01] <babilen> _abc_: Read up on systemd-analyze,
gather actual data and compile a succinct description of the
technical problem you are trying to solve - Don't annoy helpers
and stop rambling or behaving as if people in this channel (who are
genuinely trying to help) are in some way responsible for whatever
problem you have
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381 [01:49:37] <babilen> Zardoz: Many people do. You might as
well and I guess that you have encountered a specific problem that
you require help with. Help us to help you by providing more
information about that problem
382 [01:50:07] <babilen> Unless you genuinely simply wanted to
find a single person that uses KVM, in which case: Congratulations,
you succeeded :)
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384 [01:50:37] <Zardoz> babilen, not really a problem just
wondering what desktop would be good to use.
385 [01:50:46] <heston> hello, how can I find out what's
telling my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid? I dont have a
screensaver and all the power management settings arent set to sleep
in any condition
386 [01:51:01] <babilen> Zardoz: Desktop as in frontend to manage
virtual machines?
387 [01:51:13] <Zardoz> yeah
388 [01:51:22] <babilen> Zardoz: virt-manager is nice
389 [01:51:37] <babilen> heston: That would probably be systemd
390 [01:51:53] <Zardoz> ok
391 [01:52:22] <heston> babilen, so what should i look for to
disable that
392 [01:52:47] <heston> I just want my screen to lock, which ive
configured in xfce
393 [01:53:05] <heston> and does lock after my laptop wakesup
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397 [01:53:54] <babilen> heston: You can take a look at
/etc/systemd/logind.conf -- Unless you are using a desktop
environment that might configure this also. There are various
systems at work here and it depends on your circumstances
398 [01:54:17] <babilen> heston: HandleLidSwitch and
HandleLidSwitchDocked are what you look for in there
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401 [01:54:51] <heston> babilen, it seems to be an issue after I
uninstall xscreensaver and use light-locker instead
402 [01:55:12] * zykotick9 is saddened that his choice to use libreboot
means kernel support for kvm (for virtualization) is "out of
the question" due to bugs... in coreboot... qemu still works :|
403 [01:55:16] <babilen> I am not familiar with that program, but
it might not integrate well with logind
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406 [01:56:12] <heston> babilen, actually I forgot, im using the
mate-locker right now but it happens when I remove xscreensaver
either way for xfce
407 [01:56:13] <babilen> heston: So you are saying that your box
behaves as you want it to (which behaviour is that?) when you are
using xscreensaver, but not when you use light-locker?
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411 [01:56:57] <heston> babilen, it may have been going to sleep
with it installed as well to be clear. I'm not certain now
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413 [01:57:19] <babilen> Which behaviour do you want? Which
desktop environment do you use?
414 [01:57:28] <zykotick9> wasn't "screen locking"
with xorg deemed insecure/unsupportable?
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416 [01:57:46] <heston> im using xfce and all power settings for
sleeping were disabled
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419 [01:58:02] <heston> I just want my screen to lock after I
close the lid or leave it idle
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421 [01:58:12] <babilen> heston: And configuring HandleLidSwitch
doesn't have any effect?
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423 [01:58:21] <heston> ill look for it now
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425 [01:59:22] <heston> babilen, it's currently commented
out and set to suspend
426 [02:00:02] <babilen> That would be the default value, yes
427 [02:00:52] <heston> is there an option to just turn off the
screen
428 [02:00:54] <babilen> Read login.conf(5) for information on
settings.
429 [02:01:00] <heston> alright
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432 [02:01:16] <babilen> It sounds as if you want
"lock"
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436 [02:01:35] <heston> I do, but I suspect that wouldnt be
handled there
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440 [02:02:10] <babilen> Having said that: XFCE might override
these and there might be other ways to configure XFCE to do what you
want. Unfortunately I can't really help you with that, but try
changing the logind settings directly as it might just do what you
want
441 [02:03:33] <heston> ah there is the option for lock there
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443 [02:03:46] <heston> do I need to reboot to reload those
settings?
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448 [02:04:38] <babilen> heston: Restarting your session should
be enough, but why not reboot to make sure?
449 [02:04:41] <TomTomTo1> probably the systemd-logind service.
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451 [02:04:49] <zykotick9> the only thing i use HandleLidSwitch
for is HandleLidSwitch=ignore so when i close my lid nothing
happens!
452 [02:05:00] <babilen> heston: Could you check if you have
/etc/UPower ?
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455 [02:05:17] <babilen> zykotick9: So you do use it! :)
456 [02:05:43] <zykotick9> oh, when i don't use it - thing
go badly!
457 [02:05:52] <babilen> Why's that?
458 [02:06:13] <zykotick9> close the lid a little too much =
computer goes to sleep...
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460 [02:07:04] <zykotick9> ^ when that computer (that is a
laptop) happens to be your home server... :(..
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464 [02:08:08] <babilen> Well, don't set it to suspend if
you don't want it to suspend .. I'm happy with the default
as it means that I can just close the lid and pack it
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466 [02:08:35] <zykotick9> /etc/systemd/logind.conf is one of my
scripted editos on install ;)
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469 [02:08:45] <babilen> heston: The light-locker description
says "It relies on lightdm for locking and unlocking your
session via ConsoleKit/UPower or logind/systemd." -- So looking
into UPower would also be a good idea
470 [02:09:14] <babilen> But: Which changes did you make and what
was the effect?
471 [02:09:21] <heston> I checked UPower and it has a couple
relevant settings but logind.conf looks like the one
472 [02:09:39] <babilen> So you haven't rebooted yet?
473 [02:10:08] <heston> not yet, its this machine
474 [02:10:27] <babilen> Okay, let us know once you are done :)
475 [02:10:32] <heston> will do
476 [02:11:43] <heston> most likely xfce wasnt updated to use
systemd
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478 [02:12:25] <heston> brb
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488 [02:15:53] <heston> babilen, that did the trick, thanks man
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491 [02:16:35] <babilen> Wonderful, enjoy :)
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515 [02:32:05] <IsThatAPlanet> just wanna say that I installed d8
on a legacy (RTL/Ati) laptop today and I gotta say I'm
impressed. I easily found realtek files that worked without drama
and the legacy ATI workaround just worked too. woot.
516 [02:33:02] <GPenguin> IsThatAPlanet: :D :D
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518 [02:33:11] <dvs> IsThatAPlanet, no surprise here. The older
the hardware, the more compatible (it seems)
519 [02:33:50] <GPenguin> great to give positive feedback
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534 [02:39:50] <antimatter_> What's the most compatible
hardware when a pc with debian in mind?
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538 [02:40:22] <dvs> antimatter_, generally, the older, the
better.
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543 [02:44:25] <antimatter_> That's because of the way
debian team updates only stable releases. Btw thanks devs
544 [02:44:31] <antimatter_> Dvs
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550 [02:47:08] <dvs> ??? stable releases don't receive
updates: only security updates and some bug fixes
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554 [02:47:56] <GPenguin> a fix is still an update
555 [02:48:05] * zykotick9 is glad that both IsThatAPlanet who needs
non-free drivers and he who doens't want anything to do with
non-free driver can both use the "Univeral Operating
System" known as Debian :)
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586 [03:07:49] <aypea[1]> does /var/lib/dpkg/available not get
updated for every installed package or is it no longer in use?
mine's not been touched since 2015 but it's causing the
odd issue with trying to make dep packages from cpan. currently
using stretch
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596 [03:15:15] <aypea[1]> christ. I need to use dselect. how
weird.
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598 [03:16:07] <Zardoz> babilen, awesome that you on the tip for
vert-man
599 [03:16:27] <Zardoz> thank you that is
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606 [03:22:02] <hankpete> whats the best way to have debian but
with the latest version of firefox on it? i want to watch netflix
607 [03:22:33] <dvs> !tell hankpete about mdn
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610 [03:23:29] <hankpete> dvs, thanks so much!
611 [03:23:40] <dvs> no prob
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640 [03:42:49] <hankpete> dvs, u still there?
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642 [03:43:04] <dvs> maybe
643 [03:43:19] <hankpete> haha. well i was just wondering about
this firefox thing...
644 [03:43:37] <hankpete> i should install it from the unstable
repos
645 [03:43:45] <dvs> no way
646 [03:44:00] <hankpete> oh, what's up?
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650 [03:45:08] <dvs> hankpete, deb
replaced-url
651 [03:46:00] <hankpete> oh, even if I'm on stretch?
652 [03:46:26] <dvs> oh, you're on stretch? I don't
know about that.
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656 [03:47:31] <hankpete> yeah. I thought it would have the
latest firefox but it just has firefox-esr which turns out to be
version 45
657 [03:47:40] <hankpete> i need 47 for netflix :(
658 [03:48:10] <dvs> hankpete, stretch doesn't have the
latest anything since it is no longer maintained.
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661 [03:48:34] <hankpete> dvs, stretch is testing though
662 [03:48:49] * dvs smacks head
663 [03:49:13] <hankpete> hehehe, it used to be debain 5 or
something though, you're right
664 [03:49:31] <dvs> hankpete, in that case, getting it from
unstable is an OK idea since they are not so different at this
point.\
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666 [03:49:55] <hankpete> dvs, ok... I just worry about turning
into a FrankenDebian haha
667 [03:50:04] <hankpete> but that is what the site you showed me
says to do.
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682 [03:57:26] <unborn> do we know what default de would be on
next release?
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684 [03:58:28] <dvs> unborn, it's always GNOME
685 [03:58:37] <dvs> especially after systemd
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692 [04:00:01] <unborn> dvs: sure, thats what I use..im just
curious about shell extensions.. how they going to handle install
from gnome.org after api will change in all browsers
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731 [04:30:14] <rizonz> are there issues withphpquery ? it always
returns even the disabled modules
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741 [04:35:06] <KODY92> what is the difference between `apt-get
install systemd/jessie-backports` and `apt-get install -t
jessie-backports systemd`
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779 [05:06:20] <unborn> ,v virtualmin
780 [05:06:21] <judd> No package named 'virtualmin' was
found in amd64.
781 [05:06:22] <Zardoz> dam feraking cool. deb 8.7 host running
KVM and have 3 VMs running all on a intel NUC
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784 [05:07:50] <Zardoz> take that vmware/hyperv
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786 [05:08:03] <dvs> !lart vmware
787 [05:08:09] * dpkg throws vmware's poor little doggy off a
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791 [05:10:18] <Zardoz> now I need to get remote desktop running
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794 [05:11:01] <Zardoz> but very very happy with the outcome so
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798 [05:12:03] <Zardoz> guess I need to donate to KVM...
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821 [05:38:46] <Arcaire> Quick question: Debian stable works on
my laptop, Ubuntu 16.10 works on my laptop, Debian testing does not
work on my laptop. Nvidia 970M // Intel Skylake. Is there a known
issue here or something?
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823 [05:39:29] <Arcaire> As soon as I dist-upgrade to testing, it
just locks up on boot.
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830 [05:46:48] <heston> testing isnt guaranteed to be stable
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834 [05:48:46] <Arcaire> isn't it in a freeze right now?
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1003 [07:58:38] <missmbob> Arcaire: skylake really needs 4.9.
stretch has 4.8. so yes, it's known.
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1007 [07:59:14] <Arcaire> missmbob: But why does Debian stable
work?
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1009 [07:59:26] <Arcaire> And I'm pretty sure 16.10 is using
the same kernel.
1010 [08:00:04] <missmbob> Arcaire: because 3.16 has no skylake
bugs that 4.8 does. i dont know what ubuntu does to their kernel
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1012 [08:00:22] <Arcaire> :/
1013 [08:00:30] <missmbob> Arcaire: you can install 4.9 on stable
and then dist-upgrade to stretch
1014 [08:00:37] <missmbob> Arcaire: or just wait
1015 [08:00:38] <ShalokShalom> where can i get notifications about
all patches which get released for the the current freeze?
1016 [08:00:43] <ShalokShalom> so, with link to them
1017 [08:00:50] <ShalokShalom> mailing list?
1018 [08:00:59] <ShalokShalom> any other places?
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1022 [08:02:50] <ShalokShalom> ah,
replaced-url
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1024 [08:02:55] <ShalokShalom> thanks :)
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1104 [08:59:56] <GNU\colossus>
replaced-url
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1106 [09:01:36] <missmbob> GNU\colossus: it's fixed
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1111 [09:04:51] <GNU\colossus> missmbob, how do you figure?
1112 [09:05:40] <missmbob>
replaced-url
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1131 [09:16:31] <sdx23> not in jessie backports.
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1133 [09:17:28] <missmbob> sdx23: until you look more closely.
stretch has 4.8+77 which is fixed. that's the same in
jessie-backports
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1146 [09:21:07] <missmbob> GNU\colossus: ^
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1152 [09:21:37] <sdx23> missmbob: true. However, this version is
from 4.12.2016, isn't it? - which was before the bug was even
reported
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1156 [09:22:35] <sdx23> ah, sorry. I looked at the metapackage.
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1187 [09:36:19] <sdx23> missmbob: ok, so the metapackages
coincidentally have the same version. Looking closer: In
[linux_4.8.15-2.debian.tar.xz] (stretch) there's the patch, in
[linux_4.8.11-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz] (jessie backports) not.
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1201 [09:48:16] <Deputy_Dawg> Anyone know why Debian is so
difficult to install to a partition on an hdd?Set the mount point
etc..but it just puts you in a loop.
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1207 [09:49:39] <sdx23> Deputy_Dawg: loop in the selection
process, you mean? Be careful which option you choose in the
corresponding steps.
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1212 [09:51:10] <Deputy_Dawg> Yes,Ive set the parameters just the
same as with installing say Mint but it wont install on a spare ext4
partition.
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1219 [09:54:06] <sdx23> "wont install" means what
exactly?
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1221 [09:54:34] <Deputy_Dawg> Means I cant install it to a
partition
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1223 [09:54:49] <Deputy_Dawg> set mount point/
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1225 [09:55:05] <Deputy_Dawg> Chose partition etc
1226 [09:55:36] <Deputy_Dawg> Press continue and it asks the same
questions over again
1227 [09:56:32] <Deputy_Dawg> Added boot flag
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1229 [09:56:56] <Deputy_Dawg> There is nothing else to add but it
still takes me back to square one each time
1230 [09:56:59] <sdx23> ok, so that's what I meant in the
beginning: Make sure it's the right "continue". At
some point it's not optimally worded, I don't remember
exactly where.
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1232 [09:58:18] <Deputy_Dawg> Yes,Ive tried several times
now.Tried net insatll method and now I tried burning the whole 1.2gb
iso to disc and still see the same issue
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1234 [09:58:33] <Deputy_Dawg> Ill try again later
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1240 [10:00:18] <sdx23> Deputy_Dawg:
replaced-url
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1244 [10:00:58] <Deputy_Dawg> Thank you sdx23,Ill take a look
1245 [10:02:08] <Deputy_Dawg> I must say Ive not yet tried the
'64 bit graphical install 'choice yet
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1250 [10:04:27] <Deputy_Dawg> Plus I went for the
'Manual'option as opposed to 'use entire
disk',for obvious reasons
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1277 [10:20:01] <doublehp> any one here know a multicast
client-server template in bash ? I use a bash-http server, and now
want to do multicast in bash. But after a few hours did not found
any good tuto
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1300 [10:31:30] <jelly> what do you use a bash http server FOR
1301 [10:31:55] <doublehp> jelly: wrong channel :/ wanted #bash
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1303 [10:32:01] <jelly> (there are tiny httpds with footprints
smaller than bash)
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1305 [10:32:44] <HRH_H_Crab> hi all im trying to configure unbound
on jessie. there appears to be a problem with the init script. when
i start the service, it starts unbound and then tries to call
nss-lookup.target.
1306 [10:32:49] <doublehp> jelly: to ship the webserver inside a
shell project; very low traffic, bash is enough
1307 [10:32:59] <HRH_H_Crab> that seems to fail and leaves the
entire thing stuck
1308 [10:33:14] <HRH_H_Crab> id be grateful if anyone can suggest
what might be going wrong here.
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1314 [10:35:31] <marco___> Hello. There is a bug in
/usr/bin/chromium:21 in testing
1315 [10:36:02] <marco___> it miss a closing double quote
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1320 [10:37:38] <c-101> __marco: maybe you should report a bug
against the packet (maybe check before if it is already reported)
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1322 [10:38:25] <c-101> in fact,
replaced-url
1323 [10:38:26] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1327 [10:39:37] <__marco> I used to report bugs with reportbug but
I'm getting older
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1332 [10:40:53] <c-101> it is already reported
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1334 [10:41:21] <c-101> however, why would getting older interfere
with bug reporting ? older means more experienced and thus, better
bug reports :D
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1361 [10:53:17] <yottanami> Hey all
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1363 [10:54:40] <yottanami> I amtrying to use two monitors and my
motherboard does not support two monitor, so I connected a HTMI to
USB converter I tried to share screen using this code
replaced-url
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1365 [10:55:07] <yottanami> but after that my machine is working
slow
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1367 [10:55:28] <yottanami> It works very perfectly in Windows
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1371 [10:56:29] <yottanami> It seems I have delay on my HTMI
monitor
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1375 [10:57:12] <yottanami> how should I fix it?
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1402 [11:10:57] <papaBear> #ansible
1403 [11:12:14] * petn-randall hands papaBear a /join.
1404 [11:12:35] * papaBear is sorry for being stupid :D
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1432 [11:23:30] <user__> hello
1433 [11:23:55] <bazhang> hi
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1443 [11:26:34] <M3B0> hi. Do anyone have configured an
isc-dhcp-server using the same subnet with two scopes for diferent
DNS servers configuration.
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1448 [11:28:08] <beatsteak> Hi guys. Where do I find your factoids
online?
1449 [11:28:27] <petn-randall> beatsteak: /query dpkg help
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1452 [11:28:43] <petn-randall> beatsteak: Then you can ask
whatever you want.
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1457 [11:29:59] <beatsteak> Aren't they accessible online?
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1459 [11:30:28] <beatsteak> oh, got it
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1464 [11:32:35] <beatsteak> Does debian.net belong to debian.org?
Is it an official debian site?
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1470 [11:34:58] <bezaban> beatsteak: they are owned by the same
entity
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1473 [11:38:53] <petn-randall> beatsteak: IRC doesn't count
as "online"?
1474 [11:39:11] <M3B0> Hi does anyone know a isc-dhcp-server
channel?
1475 [11:39:52] <beatsteak> So, I'm asking since I'm
interested in all kinds of documentation Debian offers. Would you
say the factoids are part of the debian documentation? And I
can't easily access and browse the factoids.
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1477 [11:40:22] <beatsteak> At least not in the way I'd like
to access them
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1479 [11:40:53] <beatsteak> I don't know any factoids yet.
Would you say they hold important information?
1480 [11:41:09] <beatsteak> Are they reliable?
1481 [11:41:19] <themill> no
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1487 [11:42:27] <beatsteak> So, you wouldn't say they should
be part of a debian knowledge base?
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1490 [11:42:58] <beatsteak> I'll have a look at them
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1494 [11:44:15] <themill> There are 40391 of them. I don't
think that's helpful to you.
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1496 [11:44:28] <beatsteak> When you're giving support here
in this channel, are there any other sources of information you guys
rely upon? Some form of documentation that's not accessible by
others/me?
1497 [11:45:09] <themill> Years of bitter experience.
1498 [11:45:13] <bezaban> lol
1499 [11:45:17] <beatsteak> I see
1500 [11:45:19] <beatsteak> :)
1501 [11:45:40] <bezaban> a long history of breaking stuff ;)
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1504 [11:45:46] <beatsteak> Guys, I want to push the Debian
documentation to new heights
1505 [11:45:57] <jelly> the 100 most used are probably reasonably
reliable
1506 [11:46:20] <jelly> !penixstrike
1507 [11:46:23] <themill> Anything less than a couple of years ago
1508 [11:46:38] <beatsteak> I'll have a look at them
1509 [11:46:40] <jelly> except someone is deleting the most useful
ones
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1513 [11:48:53] <jelly> !penixstrike beatsteak
1514 [11:48:53] <dpkg> A towering Penix descends from the heavens,
knocking beatsteak to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
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1516 [11:49:04] <jelly> hm, the singular one still exists
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1523 [11:51:02] <beatsteak> Well, guys, I'll just translate a
German saying: With that kind of documentation "you won't
win a flower pot." If you know what I'm saying
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1526 [11:51:54] <beatsteak> I assume that was a factoid
1527 [11:52:45] <jelly> nod
1528 [11:55:09] <sillyslux> what's debian documentation?
1529 [11:55:17] <sillyslux> or where
1530 [11:55:45] <beatsteak> Debian documentation is the goal of
the Debian Documentation Project - short: DeDoPro
1531 [11:55:46] <sillyslux> it feels like there are hundreds
1532 [11:55:50] <jelly> everywhere a little, that's part of
the problem
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1537 [11:56:48] <beatsteak> I think we'll start with a
survey. I'm already working on one. Gimme a week or so
1538 [11:56:49] <sillyslux> and it also feels like
everything's just fine
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1549 [12:00:55] <sillyslux> i find many articles in
wiki.debian.org very useful, how about trying to improve it somehow?
1550 [12:01:26] <jelly> sillyslux: is in the "this is
fine" kc green comic?
1551 [12:01:30] <jelly> as* in
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1553 [12:01:55] <sillyslux> kc wat?
1554 [12:02:16] * sillyslux ignores childish comic stuff
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1556 [12:02:45] * sillyslux 's a veery mature grown up
1557 [12:03:51] <sillyslux> i think wiki.debian.org could use a
new interface with sidebars and webX.Y fanciness
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1561 [12:04:20] * smojphace hands sillyslux a yellow mold
1562 [12:04:34] <sillyslux> lots and lots of new categories and
tags and such
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1564 [12:05:25] <fredriki> I have this weird problem with disk
usage
1565 [12:05:37] <fredriki> a folder is apparently very large
1566 [12:05:51] <fredriki> I enter the folder, and run 'du
-csh *' but the contents don't appear large anymore
1567 [12:05:52] <fredriki>
replaced-url
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1569 [12:06:30] <themill> sillyslux: talk is cheap; patches take
more effort
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1575 [12:08:02] <sillyslux> themill *word
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1577 [12:08:31] <sh00p> can unidentified nicks talk in this
channel?
1578 [12:08:39] <sh00p> not sure if my last posts got through
1579 [12:08:49] <Hestben> sh00p: It did get through
1580 [12:08:49] <smojphace> sh00p: Its the *, try plain du -csh
without the asterisk ;)
1581 [12:08:55] <smojphace> hidden dirs etc
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1583 [12:09:36] <jelly> sh00p: they usually can
1584 [12:09:37] <sh00p> ah
1585 [12:09:40] <sh00p> right, thx!
1586 [12:09:44] <smojphace> np
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1599 [12:13:53] <smojphace> 5
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1622 [12:25:14] <jim_carry> I can't able to see punjab/hindi
fonts in urxvt, I tried various fonts with no success, can you help
me?
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1630 [12:28:40] <jelly> jim_carry: are you sure your text files
are utf8 encoded?
1631 [12:29:06] <jelly> jim_carry: do you have an example file or
URL?
1632 [12:29:10] <jim_carry> I want to see these fonts in mutt and
newsbeuter
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1635 [12:30:49] <jim_carry> I have this in Xresources
--->URxvt.font: xft:Inconsolata,xft:Terminus
Regular:size=13:antialias=true:hinting=true:style=Regular
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1641 [12:32:00] <babilen> jim_carry: Does it work in, say,
gnome-terminal?
1642 [12:32:03] <jelly> jim_carry: doesn't answer my
questions tho
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1647 [12:32:18] <jim_carry> Yes it works in xfce4-terminal
1648 [12:32:29] <jim_carry> which has Terminus Regular font set up
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1651 [12:33:07] <jim_carry> jelly: I don't know if it is utf8
encoded
1652 [12:33:32] <jim_carry> Should I post example file? here
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1654 [12:34:05] <jelly> or a random web page that doesn't
show up correctly in elinks or links2
1655 [12:34:16] <jim_carry> Okay
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1668 [12:36:29] <jim_carry>
replaced-url
1669 [12:36:57] <jim_carry> This page show all boxes in urxvt but
xfce4-terminal shows it fine
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1673 [12:37:57] <jim_carry> xfce4 doesn't show boxes but it
is not readble
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1678 [12:38:30] <jim_carry> xfce4-terminal doesn't show boxes
but it is unreadble
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1684 [12:40:24] <JyZyXEL> how can i access a bin/cue cd image on
debian?
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1687 [12:41:41] <jelly> jim_carry: is task-punjabi installed?
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1690 [12:42:32] <jelly> jim_carry: er, make that fonts-guru
instead
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1694 [12:44:19] <jim_carry> jelly: no, actually now i am on
fedora, my desktop has debian, i'll check when I get home
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1697 [12:46:31] <RebelCoder> Hey guys. Anyone plays Steam games on
Debian with Optimus/Primusrun ?
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1699 [12:46:44] <jelly> ...
1700 [12:46:45] <RebelCoder> I can't get any Steam game to
run with optirun/primusrun
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1702 [12:47:08] <RebelCoder> All other apps and standalone games
do run just fine with primusrun for example. Steam stuff does not.
1703 [12:47:17] <RebelCoder> Here is what I have:
replaced-url
1704 [12:47:45] <NoxiousPloK> afaik steam games have a customized
executable that connect to the steam client for authentication (drm)
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1706 [12:48:33] <RebelCoder> Games would run but with low FPS,
meaning not run on the NVidia GPU or not run at all...
1707 [12:48:50] <RebelCoder> Anyone here managed to start some
games in Debian stable ?
1708 [12:49:13] <NoxiousPloK> I never had issues with gaming on
Linux, also not Steam games
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1710 [12:49:23] <NoxiousPloK> but I don't run Windows games
on Debian - only native Linux ports
1711 [12:49:50] <RebelCoder> NoxiousPloK, Exactly ! Everything
else works, but Steam games. And those games are native Linux
anyway.
1712 [12:49:53] <RebelCoder> Anyone ?
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1718 [12:52:27] <JyZyXEL> every time i run sudo needrestart it
says i need to restart avahi-daemon.service and rtkit-daemon.service
1719 [12:52:49] <JyZyXEL> yet those aren't listed as
processes that are running outdated binaries
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1723 [12:52:59] <JyZyXEL> yet they are flagged for automatic
restart every time
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1727 [12:54:00] <NoxiousPloK> RebelCoder: that's weird.. what
is optirun/primusrun? never used that
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1732 [12:54:33] <RebelCoder> Let's you run app/game on a
NVidia GPU instead of Intel.
1733 [12:54:41] <RebelCoder> Only for Laptops with 2 graphics
cards
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1741 [12:56:34] <NoxiousPloK> ahhhh
1742 [12:56:42] <NoxiousPloK> my GF has that issue, but she runs
Windows
1743 [12:56:52] <NoxiousPloK> thats a nasty problem, some games
just don't get it
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1748 [12:58:07] <RebelCoder> Windows works perfectly fine with
NVidia Optimus.
1749 [12:58:20] <RebelCoder> Linux does too on everything, but
Steam agmes
1750 [12:58:22] <RebelCoder> games
1751 [12:58:46] <NoxiousPloK> weird
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1754 [12:58:55] <NoxiousPloK> also not if you add both the game
and linux executables?
1755 [12:59:03] <NoxiousPloK> I suppose it filters on that
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1767 [13:05:51] <ben25> heyo, what is the best graphical diff tool
available?
1768 [13:06:08] <ben25> i checked meld and kdiff3-qt
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1771 [13:06:20] <petn-randall> ben25: diff is IMHO the best.
1772 [13:06:29] <ben25> argh
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1774 [13:06:30] <ben25> sure
1775 [13:07:13] <petn-randall> ben25: It might help to say what
you're missing from diff so we can suggest something.
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1778 [13:07:58] <ben25> anyway i was wondering is there was
another one worth testing?
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1782 [13:08:47] <ben25> hum, i was hopping one would deal with
archive file like they were directories
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1784 [13:09:15] <petn-randall> ben25: imediff? diffoscope works on
complete tarballs/dirs/etc.
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1801 [13:22:46] <alpha_one_x86> Hy, any bug around:
replaced-url
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1811 [13:29:59] <Serpent7776> ben25, you might try diffuse
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1825 [13:35:52] <pragomer_1> just installed stretch with mate-DE.
ifconfig command is not found. I think its because LAN-firmware was
missing during installation
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1827 [13:35:58] <pragomer_1> I now installed the packages
1828 [13:36:14] <pragomer_1> firmware-linux,
firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek
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1830 [13:36:32] <pragomer_1> but no change... internet connection
is fine.. also apt-get install works... but no network manager
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1832 [13:36:38] <pragomer_1> and no ifconfig
1833 [13:36:42] <pragomer_1> what to do??
1834 [13:37:18] <TomTomTosch> did you mean /sbin/ifconfig ?
1835 [13:37:27] <smojphace> pragomer_1: ^ not in your current
users path
1836 [13:37:40] <pragomer_1> bash: /sbin/ifconfig: Datei oder
Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
1837 [13:37:44] <ben25> Serpent7776, thanks
1838 [13:37:45] <pragomer_1> (in english: "not found")
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1841 [13:38:00] <TomTomTosch> it's in the net-tools package.
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1845 [13:38:38] <pragomer_1> ok.mm... that package was not
installed
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1847 [13:39:07] <pragomer_1> now ifconfig works. thank you. any
idea what to install to get (in mate!) the graphical
network-manager?
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1849 [13:40:18] <chrisc> pragomer_1: `apt-get install
network-manager-gnome` ?
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1855 [13:40:30] <pragomer_1> thank you very much !
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1908 [13:49:48] <chrisc> is anyone able to explain how the mariadb
root account works, you don't need a password when root, unlike
with mysql?
1909 [13:49:56] <chrisc> this is on stretch
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1911 [13:50:29] <abrotman> that's in the permissions table,
and you can configure mysql that way as well
1912 [13:50:30] <chrisc> also when a root password is set a
non-root users appears unable to login, and i can't find where
these differences from mysql are documented?
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1914 [13:50:59] <chrisc> abrotman: you mean the mysql users table?
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1963 [14:03:49] <pragomer_1> just installed debian-stretch.
wondering where to take virtualbox from beste: homepage deb-file or
repo?
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1971 [14:06:38] <lazaruz> 404 uh?
replaced-url
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1973 [14:07:15] <aypea[1]> pragomer_1: I'd roll with repo
1974 [14:07:45] <bezaban> lazaruz:
replaced-url
1975 [14:08:05] <aypea[1]> wow. a .1?!
1976 [14:08:06] <lazaruz> bezaban oh thanks. The links on
replaced-url
1977 [14:08:11] <aypea[1]> never thought it'd happen.
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1979 [14:09:08] <pragomer_1> mm. as I see there is no vbox package
in the standard repo (main contrib non-free)
1980 [14:09:20] <pragomer_1> like it was (I think to remeber) in
jessie
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1982 [14:10:00] <bezaban> lazaruz: yeah, had a few of those since
8.7 release and now it seems it applies to 8.7.1 too :()
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1984 [14:10:30] <sti2d> hello
1985 [14:10:48] <aypea[1]> pragomer_1: apt-cache search
virtualbox-
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2013 [14:21:08] <pragomer_1> theres no package virtualbox sorry
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2032 [14:32:57] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys, have anyone here experience
the same issue I got? after I disabled IPv6, xrdp failed to start
2033 [14:33:14] <Dagger> don't disable v6 then
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2037 [14:34:23] <HaMsTeRs> oh, dagger, it;s you again
2038 [14:35:12] <lazaruz> Dagger oh, how easy! Thanks, I was
having the same problem, and now it's resolved! Much
appreciate!
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2044 [14:36:21] <Dagger> I'm not *everywhere* on IRC... but I
do happen to be here
2045 [14:36:48] <lazaruz> Dagger wow, that's true! How do you
do that?
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2049 [14:38:03] <lazaruz> Dagger I was just thinking about that,
and indeed, you are not everywhere on IRC, but just as you said, you
are currently here! How neat is that?
2050 [14:38:06] <lazaruz> That's pretty neat.
2051 [14:38:09] <Dagger> you can join multiple channels on IRC (as
I'm sure you're already aware)
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2054 [14:38:59] <lazaruz> Dagger sure! You can tell that by the
way it is.
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2074 [14:48:14] <nn> Hello :)
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2079 [14:49:21] <Aebian> someonecan explain the jidgo download
method? I have jidgo but I can't find a jidgo file on
replaced-url
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2081 [14:49:30] <nn> I want to boot Debian Jessie in console mode,
currently kde is executed after startup. I have found tutorials like
this, but its not working.
2082 [14:49:33] <nn>
replaced-url
2083 [14:50:06] <nn> I want to change the default boot mode.
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2086 [14:51:09] <pflanze> Hello. I'm not using AppArmor yet
the kernel in oldstable started to deny hardlinking files that
aren't owned by the process.
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2088 [14:51:46] <smojphace> nn: 13:50 -!- pflanze
[~chrisirc@a.christianjaeger.ch] has joined #debian
2089 [14:51:51] <smojphace> umm oops
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2091 [14:51:57] <pflanze> issuing kernel messages like: type=1702
audit ... op=linkat action=denied
2092 [14:52:06] <smojphace> nn: systemctl set-default
multi-user.target
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2094 [14:52:22] <smojphace> nn: to revert, systemctl set-default
graphical.target
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2096 [14:52:46] <pflanze> First, how comes a Debian security
upgrade introduces such a change, but more importantly, how can I
disable this again?
2097 [14:52:56] <themill> Aebian: the jigdo files would be on the
cd mirrors
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2100 [14:53:40] <pflanze> I guess the change originally came from
here:
replaced-url
2101 [14:53:53] <themill> pflanze: oldstable isn't getting
security updates from the security team any more. I don't know
what the LTS guys would have done but mailing list might
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2104 [14:54:24] <nn> @smojphace: This command is mentioned in the
tutorial I mentioned. I have executed it. But after the reboot, kde
is executed again.
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2107 [14:54:42] <pflanze> OK, going to figure out where the LTS
guys live :)
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2109 [14:55:15] <pflanze>
replaced-url
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2115 [14:57:05] <smojphace> nn: Ah, kde might have a systemd
service that needs disabling.. well kdm (the kde display manager)
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2117 [14:58:03] <pflanze> Also, the directory permissions are:
drwxrwx--- 2 qmailr chrismail
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2119 [14:58:22] <pflanze> why would it deny linking there,
that's not a +t directory like /tmp.
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2121 [14:58:56] <jelly> pflanze: no debian kernel will enable
apparmor by default
2122 [14:59:10] <pflanze> jelly, I thought so, too, so why is this
active then?
2123 [14:59:17] <pflanze> I don't have apparmor installed.
2124 [14:59:25] <smojphace> nn: A note about KDE on answer 2 here,
replaced-url
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2127 [14:59:58] <pflanze> jelly, my guess was/is that it was
deemed a security fix and hence included in a security upgrade
(since it started to appear out of nowhere last October).
2128 [15:00:01] <jelly> pflanze: what's the actual, complete,
error message and which app triggers it?
2129 [15:00:09] <jelly> last October?!
2130 [15:00:22] <pflanze> Yes, the issue was on a todo list of
mine till now.
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2132 [15:00:43] <jelly> show the actual errors if you can, please
2133 [15:00:45] <jelly> !ask
2134 [15:00:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2135 [15:00:52] <jelly> !paste
2136 [15:00:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2139 [15:01:37] <Aebian> are there any guides for a live usb
stick? my main goal I want to archive is a debian which I configured
and installed additional packages and then is on my USB stick that I
can boot from
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2141 [15:02:44] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Aebian about live
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2145 [15:04:12] <pflanze> It's a script of mine that does
link files between locations. Reproducible using e.g.:
2146 [15:04:15] <pflanze> ln
/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/1475612740.23692.servi
/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/.orig/new/1475612740.23692.servi
2147 [15:04:15] <pflanze> ln: failed to create hard link
`/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/.orig/new/1475612740.23692.servi'
=>
`/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/1475612740.23692.servi':
Operation not permitted
2148 [15:04:23] <nn> smojphace: Thanks, it worked :)
2149 [15:04:28] <smojphace> nn: np :)
2150 [15:04:51] <pflanze> drwxrwx--- 2 qmailr chrismail 12288
2017-01-17 14:33 /var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/.orig/new/
2151 [15:04:51] <pflanze> drwxrwx--- 2 qmailr chrismail 12288
2017-01-17 14:33 /var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/
2152 [15:04:58] <pflanze> uid=1012(chrismail) gid=1013(chrismail)
groups=1013(chrismail),1049(spamd)
2153 [15:05:04] <Aebian> thanks abrotman ^^
2154 [15:05:38] <pflanze> rename works, just not link. And link
issues the kernel message mentioned above.
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2159 [15:07:01] <youyou> hi
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2168 [15:10:05] <pflanze> full example message: [420303.544592]
type=1702 audit(1484660079.345:6): op=linkat action=denied pid=5093
comm="ln"
path="/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/1475612740.23692.servi"
dev="sda3" ino=607407
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2180 [15:13:41] <jelly> pflanze: what does "uname -a"
say?
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2183 [15:14:35] <youyou>
(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)
2184 [15:14:35] <youyou>
(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)
2185 [15:14:35] <youyou>
(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)(*_*)
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2187 [15:14:37] <youyou> hello
2188 [15:14:37] *** youyou was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use
replaced-url
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2193 [15:15:08] <grawity> bye
2194 [15:15:26] <KingsQuest> i use stretch. i prefer it now over
ubuntu :D debian is good :D
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2200 [15:19:20] <pflanze> jelly, 3.2.0-4-686-pae
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2203 [15:20:01] <pflanze> Linux servi 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP
Debian 3.2.84-1 i686 GNU/Linux
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2226 [15:31:47] <Ulrar> Hi, just a quick note, the links on
replaced-url
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2229 [15:32:16] <Ulrar> I found the iso anyway browsing the thing
by hand, but it would be good to update them
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2232 [15:33:13] <somiaj> Ulrar: is the issue the webpage
hasn't updated all the links to 8.7? and still is pointing at
8.6?
2233 [15:33:17] <petn-randall> Ulrar: Probably the website being
changed over to 8.7.1, but someone admin mixed up the order of
things.
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2235 [15:33:25] <petn-randall> s/someone/some/
2236 [15:33:28] <somiaj> oh there is a 8.7.1 now?
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2239 [15:34:00] <petn-randall> somiaj: The USB images accidentally
updated the filesystem label to "HACK 1"
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2251 [15:35:21] <somiaj> petn-randall: ahh, yea guess the bug is
explained here
replaced-url
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2258 [15:37:51] <Ulrar> somiaj: It does point to 8.7, the link is
just wrong
2259 [15:37:55] <Ulrar> It looks like the paths changed
2260 [15:38:01] <Ulrar> No just the filenames
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2262 [15:38:23] <Ulrar> The correct link is :
replaced-url
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2264 [15:38:30] <Ulrar> which doesn't really look like
what's on the page
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2269 [15:38:59] <Ulrar> Or maybe it does .. must have missed a
redirect
2270 [15:39:23] <somiaj> Ulrar: there was a bug with the original
image build and the links haven't been updated on the webpage,
this just takes time.
2271 [15:39:34] <somiaj> the link describes the bug (seems
debugging code was left on in the final build)
2272 [15:39:47] <somiaj> hence a version bump from 8.7.0 to 8.7.1
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2274 [15:40:43] <somiaj> Ulrar: thanks for pointing out, but I
think automatic systems will update the links
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2276 [15:40:53] <Ulrar> Allright, I was just unlucky to try to get
it at the wrong time then
2277 [15:40:55] <Ulrar> That's fine
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2287 [15:48:02] <xXEoflaOEXx> Can I upgrade from Debian 8.6 to 8.7
using a command line or do I have to upgrade through the 8.7 ISO?
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2289 [15:48:19] <petn-randall> xXEoflaOEXx: Just updating your
system will get you to the same state.
2290 [15:48:35] <petn-randall> xXEoflaOEXx: that is run 'apt
update && apt upgrade'
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2292 [15:49:08] <xXEoflaOEXx> petn-randall, ok.
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2363 [16:17:22] <doppleherz>
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2364 [16:17:24] <doppleherz> is down
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2366 [16:18:41] <TomTomTosch> doppleherz:
replaced-url
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2369 [16:21:01] <doppleherz> oh, nice
2370 [16:21:01] <doppleherz> thanks
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2374 [16:22:22] <humusvernichter> hi is it possible to send data
to the hdmi port in a way ? how can i talk to the hdmi port?
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2382 [16:23:41] <petn-randall> humusvernichter: What are you
trying to achieve?
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2389 [16:25:49] <jelly> humusvernichter: all the graphic cards do
it.
2390 [16:25:53] <jelly> !goal
2391 [16:25:54] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
2392 [16:26:18] <humusvernichter> send a video to hdmi port
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2395 [16:27:00] <bezaban> then you'd need a capture card
afaik
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2398 [16:28:15] <humusvernichter> sounds stupid but what exactly
is a capture card ?
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2400 [16:28:26] <petn-randall> humusvernichter: You mean like use
something like vlc?
2401 [16:28:27] <bezaban> I think he's wants to send video
*into* the HDMI output..
2402 [16:28:27] <bezaban> s/he's/he/*
2403 [16:28:36] <bezaban> humusvernichter: it's a card that
lets you input video into your pc
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2405 [16:29:11] <petn-randall> bezaban: wouldn't that be
*receiving* video?
2406 [16:29:16] <bezaban> petn-randall: exactly
2407 [16:29:20] <humusvernichter> i want to send
2408 [16:29:35] <bezaban> well, depending on perspective. It often
gets mixed up.
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2410 [16:29:36] <humusvernichter> to a tv
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2412 [16:29:48] <bezaban> aha. Well disregard me then :)
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2414 [16:30:03] <petn-randall> humusvernichter: Then just use vlc
for that.
2415 [16:31:08] <humusvernichter> but lets ask something different
. is it possible to read the bitstream while streaming ?
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2417 [16:32:03] <petn-randall> humusvernichter: It would help a
lot more if you describe what you're trying to do.
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2421 [16:32:49] <humusvernichter> i want to send a video via hdmi
to a screen and while im sending i want to have a look at the
bitstream
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2431 [16:35:49] <cobra_koral> hello guys. I found a bug that when
updating mysql-server-core and or akonadi, akonadi doesn't work
anymore
2432 [16:36:09] <cobra_koral> the issue is that the directory
/var/lib/mysql-files/ doesn't exist
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2434 [16:36:30] <cobra_koral> creating the directory with 755
permission fix the issue, otherwise akonadi doesn't even start
2435 [16:36:52] <cobra_koral> I'd like to check if there is a
bug report already, but I found the debian bug tracking too
confusing to search
2436 [16:37:00] <somiaj> cobra_koral: what version of debian?
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2441 [16:40:50] <cobra_koral> testing/stretch
2442 [16:41:25] <cobra_koral> I applied this filter on the search
I did. I found some results on google though, seems like someone
already tried to open a bug report for this, but did it on the
backports package instead
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2445 [16:42:28] <cobra_koral> I am not using backports, pure
debian testing/stretch
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2447 [16:43:02] <somiaj> well backport packages are from stretch,
so sometimes similar bugs affect both.
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2451 [16:43:33] <somiaj> you could add to the bug report and say
it also supports stretch. So far I'm not finding any package
that contains /var/lib/mysql-files, so wonder which package the bug
actually is part of
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2453 [16:43:56] <cobra_koral> I found
replaced-url
2454 [16:43:57] <judd> Bug
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2455 [16:44:00] <cobra_koral> I did the same, apt-file search
/var/lib/mysql-files and no package
2456 [16:44:00] <cobra_koral> I see
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2462 [16:46:44] <petn-randall> humusvernichter: HDMI bitstreams
are north of 4Gbit/s and sometimes have HDCP, doubt you'll get
any useful information out of it without a parser.
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2466 [16:48:00] <cobra_koral> but I didn't understand its
closing. The problem still persists and the bug was closed.
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2468 [16:48:06] <petn-randall> humusvernichter: You can probably
capture it with with a capture card, as bezaban said earlier.
2469 [16:48:32] <cobra_koral> Lars said in the bug report:
"The upgrade
2470 [16:48:32] <cobra_koral> _should_ have created this directory
automatically, so if it failed for
2471 [16:48:32] <cobra_koral> you then there's probably
something with your environment we didn't
2472 [16:48:32] <cobra_koral> account for" but I am pretty
sure my environment is vanilla
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2486 [16:51:43] <guampa> hi, I'm having a strange problem
with the dovecot service. Using sysV init, the service doesn't
start with "service dovecot start". However it does with
"service dovecot restart"
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2489 [16:52:48] <petn-randall> guampa: What do you see in the
error logs when you start it and it fails?
2490 [16:53:09] <guampa> nothing at all
2491 [16:53:33] <guampa> on restart dovecot gives a warning
related to a config entry, but otherwise it works
2492 [16:53:35] <petn-randall> guampa: Which release is this?
2493 [16:53:38] <guampa> testing
2494 [16:53:44] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2495 [16:53:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2496 [16:53:50] <petn-randall> guampa: ^^^ see you there.
2497 [16:53:52] <jelly> guampa: is there any dovecot process
running at the time of "start"?
2498 [16:53:53] <guampa> thanks!
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2500 [16:54:07] <guampa> let me start the container
2501 [16:54:14] <jelly> that testing is going to be frozen and
then stable soonish
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2503 [16:54:24] <guampa> maybe i should mention this lives in a
LXC on proxmox
2504 [16:54:28] <jelly> guampa: what kind of container?
2505 [16:54:40] <petn-randall> sysv init is still fully supported
in stretch?
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2507 [16:54:44] <jelly> how are you booting sysvinit inside that
lxc?
2508 [16:55:06] <guampa> good question, I just assumed init should
work as usual
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2511 [16:55:27] <guampa> the rest of the services do start up
normally
2512 [16:55:30] <jelly> the usual is "kernel starts
/sbin/init"
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2516 [16:55:46] <jelly> I don't know how LXC does things
2517 [16:56:19] <jelly> guampa: and you don't see anything in
/var/log/mail.log or wherever you told dovecot to log?
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2519 [16:56:40] <guampa> no, weird as it is nothing gets to syslog
2520 [16:56:52] <guampa> it would seem that dovecot isn't
really started at all
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2522 [16:57:33] <guampa> anyway, aside from init getting called in
X or Y way
2523 [16:57:51] <guampa> /sbin/service should start things
explicitly when called
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2525 [16:59:51] <guampa> (and it does with the restart subcommand)
2526 [17:00:32] <guampa> I'll ask in debian-next though, it
could be an issue specific to this release
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2528 [17:01:31] <n4dir> i wouldn't see much sense in offering
different init systems if they are not fully suported, petn-randall
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2540 [17:04:24] <petn-randall> n4dir: systemd was a "tech
preview" in wheezy. It was shipped but not fully supported,
just like upstart.
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2544 [17:05:09] <n4dir> runit, openrc ...
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2546 [17:05:57] <petn-randall> n4dir: exactly.
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2553 [17:08:03] <jelly> customer insists on sending mail to
@gamil.com domain but for some reason it always results in a bounce
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2555 [17:08:13] <jelly> oops, ECHAN
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2558 [17:08:37] <klys> gamil...funny =)
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2569 [17:14:32] <fr0sti> Hi, isit possbile to install mimikatz in
Debian Jessie? all the installers look like windows only?
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2571 [17:15:39] <grawity> uh, isn't mimikatz a very
windows-specific tool anyway?
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2575 [17:16:10] <fr0sti> grawity: yes its prupose is for grabbing
passwords from Domain Controllers etc
2576 [17:16:22] <jelly> fr0sti: is it open source?
2577 [17:16:32] <grawity> fr0sti: but, it's for grabbing
passwords *locally*, isn't it?
2578 [17:17:00] <grawity> I've looked at what it does, and it
seems most of its functions can't be done over the net; they
dig around the kernel &c.
2579 [17:17:21] <fr0sti> grawity: no not necessasarilly
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2586 [17:19:06] <domovoy> hi
2587 [17:19:08] <fr0sti> jelly: i dont think so
2588 [17:19:23] <fr0sti> jelly the site says you are free to:
Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or
format
2589 [17:19:37] <fr0sti> jelly: Adapt — remix, transform,
and build upon the material
2590 [17:19:38] <fr0sti> for any purpose, even commercially.
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2594 [17:20:33] <fr0sti> grawity: true. But you can import data
into it
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2599 [17:21:41] <domovoy> i have troubles with postfix and
(g|fusion)forge. When i try to send a mail to
someuser@users.my.domain, it doesn't work and i get this in
mail.log: 'warning: connect to pgsql server
unix:/var/run/postgresql: could not connect to server: No such file
or directory??Is the server running locally and
accepting??connections on Unix domain socket
"/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"??', 'netstat
-lp --protocol=unix | grep postgres' tells me postgresql IS
2600 [17:21:41] <domovoy> listening on
/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432
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2610 [17:23:12] <domovoy> ls -l /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432
gives 'srwxrwxrwx 1 postgres postgres 0 Jan 17 17:15
/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432'
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2617 [17:26:09] <jhutchins> domovoy: So try a manual connection as
the postfix user.
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2623 [17:27:44] <domovoy> jhutchins> su - postgres; psql ? it
works
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2627 [17:28:40] <jelly> fr0sti: then it won't be present in
debian, except if the author builds it with debian in mind
2628 [17:29:23] <jhutchins> domovoy: Are you sure the credentials
are correct in postfix?
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2637 [17:30:59] <grawity> many postfix components run in a chroot
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2639 [17:31:09] <domovoy> jhutchins> they are from the gforge
packages: pgsql_gforge_users_hosts = unix:/var/run/postgresql,
pgsql_gforge_users_user = gforge_mta
2640 [17:31:11] <grawity> check master.cf regarding that
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2642 [17:31:56] <Flashdown> Hi Guys, is there a possibility to get
last login information of a chrooted sftp only user? finger and
others show "never logged in" because it's not an
interactive shell that such users use. I don't like the idea to
catch this information on my own directly from /var/log/auth.log
which contains such information.
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2647 [17:33:16] <jhutchins> Flashdown: Should be in
/var/log/auth.log
2648 [17:33:25] <smeert> hmm
2649 [17:33:31] <smeert> i installed a software with opkg -i
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2651 [17:33:46] <smeert> i would normally remove program with
apt-get purge. what is the similar for opkg?
2652 [17:34:33] <jhutchins> domovoy: I would expect a password to
be set somewhere.
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2654 [17:36:10] <Flashdown> yes it is, as I've mentioned, but
this way when I try to estimate it now I can only check the last
days logs, instead of getting it as normal for each account using
finger etc. So if the user logged in 2 weeks ago for the last time
then checking /var/log/auth.log is not sufficient, sure I can
increase the log retention but this way feels so dirty.
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2656 [17:36:15] <domovoy> jhutchins> it is set, as
pgsql_gforge_users_password = <password>
2657 [17:36:27] <Flashdown> @jhutchins
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2659 [17:38:25] <Flashdown> jhutchins: I am looking for a clean
way somehow, so that I do not need to store extra data somewhere
since the normal OS does offer such information normally when not
using the sftp subsystem through ssh
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2671 [17:40:57] <Flashdown> or another question, which command can
I use to update the "last login" information for an
account?
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2677 [17:42:03] <grawity> usually that's taken from
/var/log/lastlog
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2680 [17:43:06] <jhutchins> Flashdown: Are you thinking of
updating last to show non-interactive logins?
2681 [17:43:12] <Flashdown> yes
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2683 [17:43:25] <domovoy> 'psql -U gforge_mta -d gforge'
works, with the password set in /etc/postfix/main.cf
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2685 [17:43:43] <grawity> the `last` output, meanwhile, is taken
from /var/log/wtmp
2686 [17:43:56] <grawity> there are libraries and tools to update
wtmp/utmp
2687 [17:44:39] <Flashdown> ok, and as far as I know I can run a
script / command when a sftp user logs in, so this way I could
achive it I assume
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2689 [17:45:09] <jhutchins> domovoy: Do the postgress logs have
anything useful?
2690 [17:45:40] <grawity> for sftp, you could basically edit
sshd_config to run a wrapper for the sftp subsystem
2691 [17:45:45] <grawity> I think I've done that once
2692 [17:46:18] <grawity> using ... xorg-sessreg, IIRC?
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2694 [17:46:33] <jhutchins> Flashdown: There is a way to do it by
modifying the PAM configuration so that it calls the wtemp function.
2695 [17:46:46] <jhutchins> grawity: I think those methods are
deprecated as insecure.
2696 [17:47:21] <domovoy> jhutchins> nothing gets log in
/var/log/postfix/postgresql-9.4-main.log when i try to send the mail
2697 [17:47:46] <Flashdown> jhutchins: that is true
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2699 [17:48:19] <Flashdown> jhutchins: thanks for the hint, I
believe I got what I need to get it done (PAM)
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2703 [17:51:16] <jhutchins> domovoy: All I can suggest is turning
up the logging level on postfix and postgres. I haven't run
postfix with a DB back end and am more familiar with mysql in LAMP
configurations.
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2709 [17:53:23] <domovoy> jhutchins> i enabled connections
logging in postgresql, it log every connection attempts and tells me
if it is successfull, user gforge_mta never even try to connect...
2710 [17:53:34] <domovoy> will try increasing postfix log level
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2726 [17:58:18] <domovoy> i just thought about it... postfix uses
chroot for its services (smtp, submission) so... there are goos
chances that /var/run/postgresql is not in the chroot
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2728 [17:58:38] <domovoy> s/goos/good/
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2740 [18:01:47] <domovoy> indeed, that was it, used
'127.0.0.1' instead of
'unix:/var/run/postgresql' for pgsql_gforge_users_hosts
and it works
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2748 [18:07:11] <kaizoku> hmm, i cannot seem to get grub-efi
working
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2750 [18:07:49] <kaizoku> efibootmgr shows the correct path to
grubx86.efi, but when i choose it from my laptop's boot menu it
does nothing
2751 [18:08:02] <kaizoku> i installed a new disk, perhaps
it's not updating somehow?
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2754 [18:10:27] <somiaj> kaizoku: could be, I would double check
your firmware and where it is looking for efi files. On mine I could
manually browse the efi partition to choose booting options.
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2756 [18:10:38] <somiaj> what you need to do may depend on your
firmware
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2758 [18:11:13] <kaizoku> yes, when i'm in the chroot it
shows the proper path and blkid for the loader when i run
`efibootmgr -v`
2759 [18:11:19] <kaizoku> but now that i've restarted it
still shows the old blkid
2760 [18:11:26] <kaizoku> something isn't persisting here
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2770 [18:18:43] <kaizoku> okay, i'm honestly not sure why it
worked that time
2771 [18:18:44] <kaizoku> but it did
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2776 [18:20:19] <kaizoku> perhaps because i ran `efibootmgr -w`
after the grub setup this time
2777 [18:20:22] <kaizoku> before rebooting
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2781 [18:23:32] <somiaj> kaizoku: don't know that much about
efi, I'm lucky that I can control almost evertying in my
firmware from its configuration tool, so when I had issues with my
efi files, I just browsed the efi partition and pointed it at the
right one, and it updated all the required info for me.
2782 [18:23:58] <somiaj> but yes, that is the catch to efi, you
need to correctly tell the firmware where to look, and if that
changes it may need to be forcefully updated
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2787 [18:27:20] <marrenarre> Hello. I'm trying to download
Debian 8.7 netinst from the website, and the server reports a 404
error.
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2791 [18:28:24] <TomTomTosch>
replaced-url
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2794 [18:28:38] <babilen> marrenarre: Which URL did you use?
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2799 [18:28:50] <petn-randall> marrenarre: The links are currently
broken, they'll be fixed, see TomTomTosch's link.
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2806 [18:32:24] <marrenarre> babilen: The one for 8.7.0 that is on
the "Getting Debian" page.
2807 [18:32:32] <marrenarre> TomTomTosch, petn-randall: Thanks!
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2843 [18:48:29] <benlue> how can i use local variable my Remote?
ssh benlue@my-host.ovh 'cd ~/lineageos_updater &&
FLASK_APP=app.py flask addrom -f $FILE -d $ANDROID_DEVICE -v
$ROM_VER -t "$DATE $TIME" -r $ROM_TYPE -m $MD5 -u
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2847 [18:48:58] <benlue> *on my remote
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2851 [18:50:28] <abrotman> benlue: you'll need more double
quotes and escaping likely.
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2870 [18:55:32] <benlue> abrotman, thx can you give me an example?
2871 [18:56:48] <somiaj> benlue: note "foo" and
'foo' get parsed differently, afiak you'll need
double quotes to ensure the variabels get expanded
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2873 [18:57:14] <somiaj> benlue: look at the difference between
echo "$PATH" and echo '$PATH'
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2878 [18:58:05] <brontosaurusrex> benlue:
replaced-url
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2883 [18:59:56] <abrotman> benlue: realistically, you sohuld
probably be asking #bash for hte nuances of quoting variables
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2972 [19:35:00] <timeless> can someone suggest a place to get help
w/ an md raid array? I had a raid1 array (one partition mirrored on
two drives), and one of the drive's cables came out --
i've tried to mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdf7 the
drive, and it rebuilds, but once it finishes rebuilding, it's
converted into a spare instead of left as a normal drive
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2990 [19:44:00] <bencc> stretch, sid and experimental are all not
suitable for production server?
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2993 [19:44:28] <grawity> I've been running some on stretch,
but you need to be careful with it
2994 [19:44:41] <grawity> sid and experimental, I'd say
definitely not
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2997 [19:44:53] <bencc> I'm interested in this package
replaced-url
2998 [19:45:00] <bencc> but I don't see it in stable
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3010 [19:48:31] <cobra_koral> bencc: do you know of apt
preferences file and pinning ?
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3015 [19:48:52] <cobra_koral> MAYBE you can use stable, and pull
some packages from testing only, better than a whole system testing
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3031 [19:52:58] <bencc> cobra_koral: good advice. I'll try it
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3035 [19:53:33] <GPenguin> is there a general statement which is
the better path: go with stable and pin to pull testing in or using
backports?
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3043 [19:55:52] <TomTomTosch> bencc: pinning is a terrible idea
and we don't advise doing that, especially on a production
system.
3044 [19:55:59] <TomTomTosch> !frankendebian
3045 [19:55:59] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
3046 [19:56:11] <psj7071> my experience points to going with
stable, and if you need lua or python 3 just building it from source
3047 [19:56:21] <GPenguin> funny. this triggers me every time
cause my family name is frank
3048 [19:56:26] <GPenguin> frankendebian
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3053 [19:58:55] <jelly> GPenguin: keep thoughts like that in
#debian-offtopic, pretty frakkin please
3054 [19:59:03] <GPenguin> alright
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3064 [20:04:34] <cobra_koral> definitely backports is better than
pinning, and building from source is also a good option, but if the
package you want is not in backports, and you don't have any
building/compilation skills, pinning might be easier than building,
but as the guys said, this is not supported by Debian at all. Debian
even recommends against it, saying that they won't support a
frankendebian, it's on the wiki.
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3075 [20:08:43] <jelly> cobra_koral: breaking things is often easy
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3085 [20:12:54] <cobra_koral> jelly: yes you are right, sorry for
recommending pinning here, I should have remembered about the
"frankendebian" warning at the wiki
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3104 [20:18:20] <jelly> pinning is useful, just not for stable +
something newer
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3124 [20:27:03] <hexadecimal> hello :)
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3148 [20:34:32] <cobra_koral> jelly: really, I used pinning once
with testing/unstable when the version I wanted hit testing, I
disabled pinning, like this works nice for picked packages that you
need
3149 [20:34:42] <maxiter> wheezy freezes at the first boot after
installing in a old notebook (Dell Inspiron 4100). waiting for /dev
to be fully populated. tried many google tricks in vain. Please shed
some lights.
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3154 [20:36:39] <dumbl3d0re> I've just installed Debian with
Awesome VM. I'm trying enable changing keyboard layout between
US and SE (Swedish) using Alt+Space for toggling.
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3157 [20:37:35] <dumbl3d0re> Using the `localectl` command
I've edited the `/etc/default/keyboard` file and rebooted, the
the changes still doesn't take effect, i.e. when I press
`Alt+Space` the keyboard layout isn't changed.
3158 [20:38:05] <grawity> how did you bind Alt+Space to changing
keyboard layout, in the first place?
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3160 [20:38:46] <dumbl3d0re> I executed the command `localectl
--no-convert set-x11-keymap us,se grp:alt_shift_toggle`.
3161 [20:38:55] <grawity> that's Alt+Shift, not Alt+Space
3162 [20:39:14] <grawity> (...and I think you have to press Shift
first, then Alt)
3163 [20:39:20] <dumbl3d0re> Sorry, it was alt_space_toggle
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3166 [20:39:30] <ajsantos> I am running a VPS and trying to stop
unnecessary services from running... I tried to kill
"/sbin/agetty" but it comes back up a few seconds later.
Is there a way to disable it?
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3168 [20:40:06] <grawity> yeah, by stopping the service
3169 [20:40:25] <awal1> dumbl3d0re, "setxkbmap -layout
your-language" (as a work around) works?
3170 [20:40:41] <grawity> which is getty@<name>.service on
recent Debians (use `systemctl stop` and `systemctl disable` on it)
3171 [20:40:53] <grawity> or a line in /etc/inittab on older ones
(edit it and use `init q` to reload)
3172 [20:41:03] <Vizva> i think i should take theMuppets AdrianC
things are older
3173 [20:41:09] <ajsantos> I tried "sudo kill PID
number" but it wont die
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3175 [20:41:32] <dumbl3d0re> awal1: Yes, setting it manually works
without problems. Just want something that's persistent and
canon.
3176 [20:41:34] <Getty> systemd should die, i dont wanna run in
that..... thing
3177 [20:41:46] <Getty> take me out of there!
3178 [20:41:47] <grawity> that's not how you stop a service
though
3179 [20:41:49] <Getty> ;)
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3183 [20:42:53] <Vizva> wrong channel :P
3184 [20:42:56] <dumbl3d0re> When I press `Alt+Space` it inserts a
space-character.
3185 [20:42:58] <Vizva> i writed
3186 [20:43:07] <dumbl3d0re> Nothing more, nothing less.
3187 [20:43:22] <grawity> does the option show up in `setxkbmap
-query`?
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3192 [20:44:16] <dumbl3d0re> grawity: Yes :/
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3194 [20:45:20] <BurnOMatic> grub2 on deb 8.7 LIVE (refuses to
install to /dev/sdb /dev/sdc 1,2 etc.
3195 [20:45:35] <BurnOMatic> is that normal? ^
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3198 [20:45:59] <BernhardPosselt> next debian will ship with
python 3.5 and php 7.0, correct?
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3202 [20:46:36] <dumbl3d0re> BernhardPosselt:
replaced-url
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3204 [20:46:53] <BernhardPosselt> testing, right?
3205 [20:46:58] <dumbl3d0re> Change distribution to `testing`
3206 [20:46:59] <BernhardPosselt> already frozen?
3207 [20:47:09] <BurnOMatic> where /dev/sdb, sdc == a USB stick)
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3209 [20:47:42] <greycat> No, stretch is not frozen yet.
3210 [20:47:44] <BurnOMatic> okay not normal.
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3218 [20:48:11] <BernhardPosselt> ok, so both might still be
updated to 3.6 and 7.1
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3222 [20:49:21] <dumbl3d0re> BernhardPosselt: Maybe, the full
freeze is 2017-02-05.
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3227 [20:50:04] <dumbl3d0re> I would've contacted the
maintainers and asked them directly if they're planning to
upgrade the packages for Stretch.
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3229 [20:50:25] <dumbl3d0re> grawity: No idea what my problem can
be?
3230 [20:50:31] <grawity> dumbl3d0re: nope
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3244 [20:54:18] <awal1> dumbl3d0re, you can workaround your issue
creating shortcuts for "setxkbmap -layout lang1/lang2"
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3248 [20:55:10] <dumbl3d0re> awal1: Yeah, aware of that. But I
want the correct solution to work :/
3249 [20:55:34] <awal1> I don't run i3, no much clue
3250 [20:55:51] <awal1> awesome ^
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3252 [20:56:09] <awal1> check #awesome on OFTC
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3270 [21:05:21] <dumbl3d0re> grawity: I'm running Stretch.
Could it be that there's a bug, or some changes?
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3278 [21:11:02] <mmmm> Will compiling a program run faster rather
than installing from a binary?
3279 [21:11:19] <greycat> The binary package was also compiled.
3280 [21:12:19] <shewp> supposedly you can compile with flags that
cater to different cpus
3281 [21:12:32] <shewp> and this will make execution faster
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3283 [21:13:02] <shewp> i believe this is the idea behind gentoo
3284 [21:13:05] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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3344 [21:47:09] <domovoy> any good resource on how to setup
fusionforge on debian stable (+backports)? i got fusionforge-minimal
working (almost) but it still depends on some gforge-* packages.
anyway, i want fusionforge, this package doesn't depend on
gforge-* packages, but nothing seems to be configured "out of
the box" (no httpd.conf for a start). fusionforge.org is of no
help (it simply says "install the package")
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3346 [21:48:46] <at0m> domovoy: #fusionforge maybe?
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3366 [21:57:15] <domovoy> at0m> wow, that looks... empty :)
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3368 [21:58:20] <Caddy> What's empty ?
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3406 [22:11:32] <zuiss1> is it still recommended to keep / and
/home seperate or does it not really matter?
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3408 [22:12:18] <greycat> Everyone has a different opinion on how
to partition.
3409 [22:12:31] <`Kevin> ^
3410 [22:12:40] <`Kevin> zuiss1: do what makes sense for your
specific use-case
3411 [22:12:48] <zuiss1> when i reinstall i like to wipe
everything so that i don't have any unneccessary files in my
home directory that were left over from applications inthe previous
installation
3412 [22:12:57] <zuiss1> would everything in one big partition
make sense then?
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3415 [22:13:15] <greycat> yes
3416 [22:13:44] <greycat> I, on the other hand, have files in my
home directory that have survived multiple computers and operating
systems over the course of about 20 years.
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3419 [22:14:24] <zuiss1> i guess you don't care about having
a lot of old junk in .config, .local, etc?
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3425 [22:14:51] <greycat> I *like* my old junk and want to keep
it.
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3427 [22:15:43] <zuiss1> lol well you may have config files for
software you installed once 19 years ago and got rid of a day later
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3430 [22:16:04] <greycat> If I do, I am totally fine with that.
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3442 [22:18:25] <pingouin> hello #debian
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3461 [22:23:55] <RickHull> Hi, I have found a bug in what I
believe is a debian supplied wrapper script for Steam, on the
testing distro
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3466 [22:24:34] <RickHull> I am trying to determine if this is
caught or fixed yet. not finding it on bdo
3467 [22:24:52] <RickHull> basically an incorrect invocation of
`find` in `/usr/games/steam`
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3469 [22:25:10] <greycat> !bts
3470 [22:25:10] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
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3473 [22:25:50] <RickHull> I am looking through all of this:
replaced-url
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3475 [22:26:13] <greycat> If you don't see the bug already
reported, then report it yourself.
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3477 [22:26:16] <RickHull> is there an easy way to just check the
latest version of `/usr/games/steam` like on github or whatever?
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3483 [22:26:41] <RickHull> I don't see it, so I'll
report it. it is related to
replaced-url
3484 [22:26:42] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3490 [22:27:45] <RickHull> can I confirm that debian is
responsible for `/usr/games/steam` and where can I see the
development history?
3491 [22:28:21] <greycat> Type 'dpkg -S
/usr/games/steam' to see if it's from a package, and if
so, which package.
3492 [22:28:27] <RickHull> is there a quick way to check this
file's HEAD version or whatever?
3493 [22:28:55] <greycat> No.
3494 [22:28:58] <RickHull> it's from steam package, as
expected
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3496 [22:29:06] <greycat> You find out what PACKAGE it is in, and
then you find the latest version of that package.
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3499 [22:29:12] <greycat> ,v steam
3500 [22:29:13] <judd> No package named 'steam' was
found in amd64.
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3502 [22:29:19] <RickHull> i386
3503 [22:29:19] <greycat> ,v steam i386
3504 [22:29:20] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free:
1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2
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3507 [22:29:54] <RickHull> i'm on stretch I believe (testing)
3508 [22:30:19] <RickHull> can I browse the sid package contents
or better to just ftp it manually?
3509 [22:30:27] <greycat> So download the sid version of the
package, extract it (don't install it), and have fun.
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3517 [22:33:54] <RickHull> is there a simple way to do that? pdo
isn't helping...
replaced-url
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3519 [22:34:02] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3521 [22:34:10] <RickHull> my debian fu is quite rusty
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3523 [22:34:44] <RickHull> oh duh, got it
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3537 [22:38:25] <RickHull> bug appears to be fixed, thx
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3539 [22:38:42] <RickHull> to satisfy my curiousity, can I see a
changelog and maybe track the change back to a bugreport ?
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3542 [22:39:28] <RickHull> found it
3543 [22:39:49] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3546 [22:40:07] <greycat> It all starts at
replaced-url
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3549 [22:41:28] <RickHull>
replaced-url
3550 [22:41:29] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3551 [22:42:02] <RickHull> this bug was not in the list when I
tried to search for all bug reports (resolved or not):
replaced-url
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3557 [22:44:51] <RickHull> why would that be?
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3564 [22:47:49] <RickHull> what's the right way to track the
sid version of a package, from a testing distro?
3565 [22:48:01] <greycat> I don't know what you mean by
"track".
3566 [22:48:12] <RickHull> install, say
3567 [22:48:20] <RickHull> and receive updates from
3568 [22:48:25] <greycat> That is wrong. There is no right way to
do a thing that is fundamentally wrong.
3569 [22:48:48] <greycat> The closest non-wrong thing would be for
you to backport the sid source package to your stretch system.
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3580 [22:56:41] <n4dir> and as far as it's me it is the rule
number one
3581 [22:56:44] <n4dir> !mixing
3582 [22:56:44] <dpkg> Mixing "stable" with
testing/unstable is a bad idea (see <stable/testing
mix>,<unmixing>,<downgrade> - instead use
<backports>), mixing Debian with other distributions is a
worse idea (see <mixing distros>). Mixing unstable into
testing OTOH is not unusual (see <testing/unstable mix>.
apt-show-versions tries to tell you which repo a package is from,
albeit with mixed results (also see <which repo>).
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3584 [22:57:24] <n4dir> once at it
3585 [22:57:28] <n4dir> !frankedebian
3586 [22:57:32] <TomTomTosch> that does not really apply to
testing/unstable. those are fairly common.
3587 [22:57:56] <n4dir> just like the factoid says it
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3602 [23:03:28] <n4dir> sure enough someone here gave me hard
times telling me how plain wrong mixing testing with unstable is. oh
my. the internet
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3617 [23:09:21] <Pavr> n4dir, Being wrong on the internet is the
best.
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3620 [23:10:19] <n4dir> i mainly depend on what others tell me. If
someone says "no, it is wrong", then i think: well, might
be he is right, what do i know.
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3622 [23:11:00] <mtn> n4dir: I depend on documentation and
experience, opinions aren't too important
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3625 [23:12:02] <n4dir> and you didn't state an opinion right
now ? :-)
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3627 [23:12:17] <mtn> n4dir: nope, that was a fact
3628 [23:12:22] <n4dir> ha ha. good one
3629 [23:12:29] <mtn> :)
3630 [23:13:06] <n4dir> main point is that all i can say: as far i
know. and often enough i am wrong. shame, shame ...
3631 [23:13:34] <niklas_e> is it possible to install a unstable
version of wordpress? How do I do that?
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3633 [23:13:58] <TomTomTosch> ,v wordpress
3634 [23:13:59] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u12;
jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11;
jessie-backports: 4.6.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.6.1+dfsg-1; sid:
4.7.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.1+dfsg-1
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3636 [23:14:24] <TomTomTosch> niklas_e: if you are on jessie you
can use the one in jessie-backports
3637 [23:14:49] <niklas_e> How do I add that?
3638 [23:15:13] <TomTomTosch>
replaced-url
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3641 [23:15:38] <niklas_e> Thanks
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3660 [23:21:38] <n4dir> enabling backports, running
"apt-cache policy <pkg>" would tell me if a backport
is to be found?
3661 [23:22:26] <greycat> yes, it would
3662 [23:23:05] <n4dir> thanks (looks like all the software i use
is only in stable , all 3 packages ... :-) )
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3666 [23:24:52] <awal1> n4dir, for check available versions
"rmadison pkgname"
3667 [23:25:06] <n4dir> thanks awal1
3668 [23:25:38] <awal1> rmadison is an utility provided by
'devscripts' pkg
3669 [23:25:49] <n4dir> ha, just wanted to ask.
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3673 [23:27:06] <awal1> it tell's you all versions on all
branchs, except experimental
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3676 [23:27:49] <n4dir> on this powerpc i seem to be stuck on
stable though. not that i would mind much.
3677 [23:27:57] <grawity> is that different from `apt-cache
madison`, and where does the name come from in the first place
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3680 [23:29:12] <pepe_le_pew> hi, i just installed debian
3681 [23:29:33] <pepe_le_pew> for work, i come from fedora
3682 [23:30:04] <pepe_le_pew> is testing updated like fedora
stable?
3683 [23:30:22] <awal1> grawity, I usually use rmadison, I dont if
apt-cache madison pkgname shows versions for all branches without
enabling extra repos
3684 [23:30:30] <awal1> don't know ^
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3686 [23:30:48] <TomTomTosch> no, apt-cache madison queries the
local package list, rmadison is a frontend to a remote script.
3687 [23:31:16] <awal1> that was my guess :P
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3692 [23:32:13] <TomTomTosch> answering the original question..
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3698 [23:34:36] <themill> rmadison also used to be exceedingly
slow which was one of the reasons for putting this functionality
into judd
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3711 [23:37:26] <awal1> I always have devscripts installed bcuz it
have a lot of useful scripts/utilities helpful also for regualar/non
technical end debian users
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3720 [23:40:22] <RickHull> where does pulseaudio log to? how can I
troubleshoot high CPU usage?
3721 [23:40:42] <n4dir> awal1: i have just found checkbashisms :-)
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3726 [23:42:33] <otherMe> hi guys can you help me with something?
is it possible to run weechat [or any program] in background and get
back to it/put it background again every time I want?
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3729 [23:43:15] <awal1> n4dir, never heard about it? :)
3730 [23:43:29] <n4dir> checkbashisms? no
3731 [23:43:36] <TomTomTosch> otherMe: tmux or screen do the job.
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3733 [23:44:13] <otherMe> thanks TomTomTosch for pointing me in
the right direction. I will google that ;)
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3739 [23:45:00] <otherMe> I thoug running (programX &) will do
that, but I tried and nothing
3740 [23:45:29] <awal1> n4dir, is pasrt of devscripts too
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3743 [23:46:26] <n4dir> yeah, thats why it came to my mind (found
it at slackbuilds though ... then a bit of searching: ah, debian
thing)
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3763 [23:52:36] <RickHull> there's an apparent bug here:
replaced-url
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3765 [23:53:01] <RickHull> this is not valid syntax: `load-module
module-udev-detect tsched = 0`
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3767 [23:53:21] <RickHull> should be: `load-module
module-udev-detect tsched=0` at least, my pulse refused to start
with above
3768 [23:53:46] <ploprof> does anyone know how to solve this error
? I just started getting it after upgrading to debian-testing.
replaced-url
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3770 [23:54:15] <RickHull> also, this module is already being
conditionally loaded, so I modified that line rather than add per
the wiki
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3773 [23:54:30] <RickHull> and it did not resolve my issue
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3778 [23:57:21] <RickHull> confirmed bad wiki:
replaced-url
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