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37 [00:11:38] <missmbob> is there a way to change the keyshort
in xfce4-terminal for switching tabs? now it's alt+num and i
want to change
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40 [00:12:27] <RoBo_V> hey guys how can we run crontab task as
root user
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45 [00:16:10] <awal1> missmbob, ctrl+pageup/pagedown maybe?
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49 [00:16:23] <missmbob> RoBo_V: that's default if you just
throw something in /etc/crontab
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51 [00:16:56] <missmbob> awal1: i just cant have it be alt+num
is all. i need to change it to something else because alt+1
conflicts with a program i'm running in it
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55 [00:17:59] <awal1> missmbob, Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown works for
me here
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57 [00:18:12] <RoBo_V> missmbob: hmm, how can we see detaileed
output of same task
58 [00:18:22] <missmbob> awal1: works here too. that's not
the point. it's also alt+num. i can't have it be alt+num.
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60 [00:18:48] <missmbob> RoBo_V: you have to pipe the output to
whatever logfile you want
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67 [00:19:43] <missmbob> RoBo_V: so after the script path in
/etc/crontab you would add something like > /tmp/cronlogfoo.log
2>&1 and you'll have the log in /tmp/cronlogfoo.log
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71 [00:20:26] <RoBo_V> missmbob: right, what does 2>&1
mplies
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73 [00:20:38] <awal1> missmbob, Alt+number and
Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown works here when the terminal have focus
74 [00:20:48] <missmbob> awal1: are you drunk?
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78 [00:21:51] <missmbob> RoBo_V: google. 2> redirects stderr
to a file, appending &1 redirects stderr to stdout
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80 [00:22:01] <RoBo_V> ok ty
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83 [00:23:46] <awal1> missmbob, I'm never drunk :P I just
wanted to tell you that you may want to use ctrl+pageup/pagedown as
an alternative bcuz I dont see an option for config what you want in
terminal preferences ;)
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85 [00:24:52] <missmbob> awal1: then i think you need to reread.
86 [00:25:14] <RoBo_V> missmbob: so yea i see, if task is
running as root it says permission denied.
87 [00:25:23] <RoBo_V> im trying to rsync some files, thats it.
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89 [00:26:11] <RoBo_V> from /var/replaced-url
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104 [00:32:53] <awal1> missmbob, I think you "can"
change that editing the file /.config/xfce4/terminal/accels.scm
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109 [00:33:44] <missmbob> awal1: thanks i'll look
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118 [00:35:33] <Paul--> hello
119 [00:35:52] <missmbob> d
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128 [00:39:51] <Paul--> I use debian 7.11 , iceaweasel browser
ask me to activate flash bugged plugin to view you tube videos ,
don't youtube use html5 without flash ? please answer me
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130 [00:41:44] <ojeno_> What version of Iceweasel do you use?
131 [00:41:47] <Paul--> I want see youtube videos with H264 , I
have h264 plugin installed , but youtube ask me to activate flash,
please answer me
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133 [00:43:05] <Paul--> 38.8.0
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135 [00:43:29] <TG_> there's a mozilla add-on for that,
youtube flash, a few of them really
136 [00:43:58] <TG_> wait. you say it doesn't work with
Flash or HTML5?
137 [00:44:14] <Paul--> TG_, usually youtube go without flash,
with html5
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140 [00:44:58] <allizom> Paul--: What if you disable Flash from
about:addons / Plugins / Set Flash to Never activate ? Or better
uninstall it
141 [00:45:00] <Paul--> TG_, don't go with html5 , youtube
ask me flash plugin, but youtube use html5 with H264
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144 [00:45:28] <allizom> BTW, you should really update Iceweasel
to the new ESR
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148 [00:45:46] <ojeno_> First of all, you should update to 45.4
149 [00:45:50] <ojeno_> sudo apt-get update && sudo
apt-get dist-upgrade
150 [00:46:01] <ojeno_> Indeed
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153 [00:46:27] <Paul--> allizom, Ok done. I didn't think
youtube ask flash by default , now go
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155 [00:47:02] <Paul--> dist-upgrade = upgrade to 8 , to much
long I re-install from zero pls
156 [00:47:03] <TG_> Paul--, so what do you want? HTML5 or H264?
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159 [00:47:36] <allizom> TG_: they're not mutually exclusive
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161 [00:48:18] <Paul--> H264
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163 [00:48:35] <ojeno_> (Btw, Flash is not officially part of
Debian)
164 [00:48:38] <Paul--> excuse me , html5
165 [00:48:57] <Paul--> I know , flash is in the backports
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167 [00:51:03] <ojeno_> As far as I know it is part of the
contrib repository which is not officially part of Debian, so I
guess you have added that. Anyway, I recommend using the Iceweasel
add-on HTML5 Video Everywhere
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177 [00:54:21] <Paul--> I ran apt-get update && upgrade ;
the system is upgraded but iceweasel is again to 38.8.0 , why ?
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179 [00:55:43] <Paul--> I ran apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade ; the system is upgraded but iceweasel is again to 38.8.0 ,
why ?
180 [00:55:57] <ojeno_> Did you restart the browser?
181 [00:56:03] <Paul--> sure
182 [00:56:35] <TG_> Paul--, ok, so what's preventing you
from seeing H264 again?
183 [00:57:54] <humbot> iceweasel was kept back because of the
change to firefox-esr ?
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185 [00:58:10] <Paul--> TG_, nothing you tube go , I don't
understand 'cause iceweasel don't upgrade
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188 [00:58:37] <humbot> i think you need to run apt-get
dist-upgrade
189 [00:59:36] <TG_> Is Iceweasel refusing to run Flash because
it's not a secure version?
190 [00:59:37] <Paul--> this is the standard version iceweasel
191 [00:59:51] <humbot>
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194 [01:00:14] <Paul--> humbot, I re-install debian 8.* from zero
, sorry upgrade is too much slow
195 [01:00:38] <humbot> okay
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197 [01:00:55] <humbot> i guess i misunderstood the problem
198 [01:01:21] <Paul--> and here in italy the dsl line are as
african lines...very slow , I have 240Kbyte/sec of band
199 [01:01:32] <TG_> Paul--, can you run
update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose and tell me what it says?
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201 [01:01:53] <TG_> it probably doesn't matter
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204 [01:02:52] <TG_> where on YouTube does it say to
"Activate Flash"? in the box where the video would
normally play?
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206 [01:03:41] <Paul--> pablo@debian:~$ lsb_release -a
207 [01:03:41] <Paul--> No LSB modules are available.
208 [01:03:41] <Paul--> Distributor ID: Debian
209 [01:03:41] <Paul--> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.11
(wheezy)
210 [01:03:42] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Paul--, there was a switch from
iceweasel branding back to firefox about half a year ago… it
probably needs a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade or whatever it's
called now) for that switch
211 [01:03:42] *** Paul-- was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use
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212 [01:03:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh yay
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215 [01:04:01] <Paul--> bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command
not found
216 [01:04:03] <Paul--> pablo@debian:~$
217 [01:04:05] <Paul--> excuse me
218 [01:04:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> *sigh*
219 [01:04:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Paul--, there was a switch from
iceweasel branding back to firefox about half a year ago… it
probably needs a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade or whatever it's
called now) for that switch
220 [01:04:37] <ojeno_> Indeed, you should do a dist-upgrade, it
does not upgrade to Debian 8
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222 [01:04:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, he's on wheezy
223 [01:04:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no wonder
224 [01:05:09] <ojeno_>
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225 [01:05:26] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
226 [01:05:27] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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231 [01:07:06] <humbot> you should still be able to upgrade in a
few hours
232 [01:07:32] <Paul--> CuteMeOwnThroat, do u mean iceweasel
isn't in the new repository of wheezy ?
233 [01:07:52] <ojeno_> Why upgrade to Debian 8, the latest
Iceweasel/Firefox-esr is in the Weezy repositories
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236 [01:08:36] <humbot> oh nice, firefox itself should only take
a few minutes
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238 [01:09:02] <Paul--> ojeno_, I'll install debian 8 from
zero I told you , I have debian on 3 computer, and have the dvd too
and I know to make a usb pendrive bootable with debian
239 [01:09:25] <humbot> that speed is just under half of what i
have on adsl2 in the UK, not super-terrible
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244 [01:10:18] <Paul--> we have more old telefone line of west
europe here, the phone cable are old of 30-40 years
245 [01:10:56] <CuteMeOwnThroat> ojeno_, because it makes little
sense to run wheezy-lts on something that has desktopy software like
ff?
246 [01:11:00] <Paul--> with hpsa+ modem I go to 400-450Kbyte/sec
247 [01:11:13] <Paul--> hspa+
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249 [01:12:04] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there's that
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251 [01:12:33] <Paul--> however , debian number 1
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257 [01:13:52] <TG_> Paul--, you need to run
update-flashplugin-nonfree as root to get it to work
258 [01:13:58] <ojeno_> Ok, excuse me if I do not understand the
matter, but I interpreted it as you were running Wheezy now and have
an out-to-date version of Iceweasel. So the easiest way to solve a
lot of Iceweasel-related problems is to upgrade to the newest
version
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261 [01:14:32] <allizom> TG_: I assume that Paul-- is viewing
Youtube videos just fine with Flash set to never activate
262 [01:14:54] <Paul--> html5
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264 [01:15:35] <Paul--> however flash is a fine big bullshit
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266 [01:16:08] <Paul--> I un-install it , and never I'll
re-install
267 [01:16:10] <Paul--> sure
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269 [01:16:46] <allizom> props
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272 [01:17:26] <TG_> Paul--, please paste the output to me in
/msg or use
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273 [01:18:06] <TG_> Paul--, are you telling me you uninstalled
Flash and now you expect it to work?
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276 [01:19:49] <Paul--> TG_, pls don't be stupid ... youtube
use html5 for the videos ...
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278 [01:20:16] <TG_> please don't call me stupid if you
can't get Flash running
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285 [01:23:41] <TomTomTo1> why are we talking about flash? he
said he didn't want it.
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290 [01:25:34] <Paul--> another question : how may I download the
hotfix and after use they to upgrade many machines ?
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298 [01:29:10] <TomTomTo1> what hotfix? if you are looking for an
apt caching proxy, there is for example apt-cacher-ng
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300 [01:29:48] <Paul--> I have 1 pc and 2 laptop with debian ,
how may I download the hotfix for default debian 8 and after use
they to update 3 machines ?
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304 [01:30:41] <dvs> Paul--, apt-mirror is one way but
that's probably overkill
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312 [01:32:42] <Paul--> dvs, overkill ? why ?
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315 [01:33:35] <dvs> Paul--, it downloads the whole archive and
keep it up to date. If you just want one patch, I'd just get
the .deb file.
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318 [01:35:11] <zykotick9> Paul--: you might want to check out
apt-cacher-ng
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320 [01:35:23] <Paul--> dvs, I mean download the .deb files of
the classic : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | and after
use it to upgrade the computer ; as I told before I have a little
dsl line here sorry
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324 [01:37:04] <Paul--> ok I see it, it's a perl script
325 [01:37:28] <Paul--> I write the information, and the next
time I upgrade all to deb 8
326 [01:37:40] <dvs> Paul--, After you run those commands, you
could search for it in /var/cache/apt/archives
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328 [01:38:16] <sm00th> what script?
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330 [01:39:23] <Paul--> apt.cacher is a perl script
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332 [01:39:42] <Paul--> good
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341 [01:47:14] <apb1963_> so there I was, minding my own business
watching youtube, when debian froze. I powered down and back up....
and X won't come up.
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343 [01:47:53] <apb1963_> Jessie.
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345 [01:50:44] <gry> does a tty come up if you ctrl+alt+f1
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347 [01:51:03] <th0r> apb1963_, for beginners, the lock file for
X probably needs to be deleted. It is usually dumped when X shuts
down....which it didn't
348 [01:52:44] <apb1963_> gry, that's where I start out...
no need to switch VTs. Yes, I'm logged in at a terminal
349 [01:52:53] <apb1963_> th0r, Where is it please?
350 [01:53:22] <gry> how much free disk space have you got
351 [01:53:48] <apb1963_> 85 GB
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353 [01:54:40] <th0r> apb1963_, not sure. had that problem years
ago...the experience taught me not to. I think it was called .Xlock,
but not even sure abt that ... been a long time
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356 [01:56:07] <missmbob> it's .X0-lock but it's in
/tmp, which means it gets deleted on reboot (as with everything else
in /tmp).
357 [01:56:41] <apb1963_> ok, so it's not disk space and
it's not a lock file...
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359 [01:56:49] <gry> I would type `startx` in a tty and read the
output, maybe it's enlightening
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361 [01:57:05] <apb1963_> gry, sounds reasonable
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364 [01:58:50] <apb1963_> gry, freaky friday... I did it over ssh
from another machine just out of curiousity... it's running.
lol
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367 [01:59:55] <gry> Started working, but your login manager does
not work?
368 [02:00:12] <gry> I would re-install the login manager to see
if it's willing to start working then
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371 [02:03:50] <apb1963_> ok so I went back to the console... if
I type startx it works just fine.
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373 [02:04:46] <apb1963_> gry, login manager..... like... kdm ?
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379 [02:08:28] <gry> yes
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398 [02:17:36] <MikeDebian> I've windows and debian
installed on my laptop and I've downsized windows partition to
increase linux partition. So, the first step is done, downsizing
windows partitions (I used win10 disk management to do it). my
problem now is that the unallocated space is before my ext4 linux
partition. how can I add this free space to the linux partition
without messing up with booting etc?
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400 [02:19:14] <dvs> gparted?
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405 [02:20:24] <MikeDebian> yeah but practically how? I
can't just move the linux partition to the beginning of the
free space I guess... that would mess with booting and maybe loss
something in the middle
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407 [02:21:28] <dvs> gparted can do that but you'll need to
reinstall grub.
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410 [02:26:12] <x98x> Can someone help me? I am not able to solve
this problem in apt-get. Debian 8 jessie
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412 [02:27:41] <dvs> x98x, (No space left on device)
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417 [02:30:11] <x98x> dvs how can I solve this?
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437 [02:33:47] <SirLagz> x98x: what would you do if you had no
space left on device?
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440 [02:34:30] <dvs> x98x, apt-get clean?
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443 [02:36:40] <x98x> Yes, I tried to have the apt-get clean. It
seems that the / usr is full. You know how I can increase the size
or delete files so that I can solve the problem?
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444 [02:37:02] <x98x> /dev/dm-0 4.7G 4.6G 32M 100% /usr
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447 [02:38:05] <dvs> x98x That's too small for /usr. Looks
like a job for gparted.
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450 [02:39:19] <dvs> Man! That's why I don't make too
many partitions.
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682 [03:17:53] <SerajewelKS> well that was an adventure. kernel
updates for dirty cow. worked fine on one box, on the other the
system wouldn't boot and i had to tinker in the
installer's rescue mode for over an hour.
683 [03:18:14] <SerajewelKS> which included purging and
reinstalling both grub and the kernel
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688 [03:18:34] <SerajewelKS> why do LVM-in-RAID1 systems gotta be
so complicated :S
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695 [03:20:22] <foul_owl> Hi folks...file dialogs have started
including folders in with files alphabetically, rather than putting
folders at the top. How do I revert to keeping folders at the top?
Happens with apps that might use gnome, like firefox's save
dialog, soundjuicer, etc
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697 [03:20:27] <foul_owl> Thunar is still correct though
698 [03:20:33] <foul_owl> I'm using fluxbox as my wm
699 [03:20:47] <SerajewelKS> foul_owl: ew
700 [03:20:53] <foul_owl> I know right?
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702 [03:21:02] <SerajewelKS> that's my single biggest
complaint with Finder on OS X
703 [03:21:07] <foul_owl> Not sure when it started happening
704 [03:21:13] <foul_owl> Must have been after an update
705 [03:21:20] <foul_owl> #$@&* gnome
706 [03:21:23] <SerajewelKS> gotta cater to the masses
707 [03:21:48] <SerajewelKS> thankfully i'm turning my
macbook in when i get back to work. i convinced them to get me a
linux tower.
708 [03:22:22] <foul_owl> I was given a macbook at a previous
job. I threw debian on there which worked pretty well
709 [03:22:26] <SerajewelKS> foul_owl: if there is a setting, you
can bet it's buried in gconf somewhere
710 [03:22:37] <foul_owl> Ah gotcha
711 [03:22:39] <foul_owl> Thanks!
712 [03:22:51] <SerajewelKS> foul_owl: a quick google points at
replaced-url
713 [03:23:03] <SerajewelKS> perhaps the gconf key it lists has
been flipped
714 [03:23:20] <SerajewelKS> "To achieve the same effect for
the Open and Save file dialogs, navigate to the key
org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser and set the option
sort-directories-first to true."
715 [03:23:26] <foul_owl> You rule
716 [03:23:29] <foul_owl> Thanks again!!
717 [03:23:34] <SerajewelKS> np, happy to help
718 [03:23:49] <SerajewelKS> i dunno why they would change that
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720 [03:24:00] <SerajewelKS> to be more like mac maybe
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722 [03:24:31] <foul_owl> Yeah it's uuuuugly
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724 [03:24:59] <SerajewelKS> i'm going to be trying LXDE
with the awesome WM substituted
725 [03:25:09] <SerajewelKS> unless there's a better tiling
window manager someone can point me toward
726 [03:25:49] <SerajewelKS> i've heard things about i3
727 [03:26:20] <foul_owl> Personally I like xmonad
728 [03:26:28] <foul_owl> Except it's like 1 gig of deps o_O
729 [03:26:35] <foul_owl> Which ehhhh shouldn't happen lol
730 [03:26:43] <SerajewelKS> idgaf about deps, i'm not
paying for the hard drive ;P
731 [03:26:58] <foul_owl> Configuring it is a pain also, not
going to lie
732 [03:27:09] <foul_owl> But it's super fast and it's
pretty
733 [03:27:12] <SerajewelKS> hmm. that's my biggest
complaint with awesome.
734 [03:27:16] <SerajewelKS> config suuuuucks
735 [03:27:25] <foul_owl> config for xmonad is....haskell o_O
736 [03:27:31] <SerajewelKS> i know lua, but i dunno why i'd
want to dive into lua files to config a wm
737 [03:27:32] <foul_owl> So if you enjoy that...
738 [03:27:36] <SerajewelKS> oh shit. that's even worse.
739 [03:27:40] <foul_owl> Bahaha yeah
740 [03:27:54] <SerajewelKS> i mean i wrote a lua virtual machine
in C#, it's not like it's hard
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794 [03:36:59] <molluskempire> allizom, yes I ran with the LXDE
environment
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821 [03:37:30] <molluskempire> allizom, the windows machine is
just on the same network connection.
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845 [03:39:04] <allizom> molluskempire: I don't use it, but
from a description "Able to handle sftp://, webdav://, smb://,
...etc when related backends of gvfs are installed" PCManFM
should do the job
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848 [03:41:29] <SerajewelKS> molluskempire: oh when you said
"debian install" i thought you meant the installer
849 [03:41:48] <SerajewelKS> of course, if you are in an
*installed* debian environment, then yeah, use a GUI tool if you
prefer
850 [03:42:14] <wafflejock> molluskempire, easiest way I've
seen with moving files around is to use scp, so long as the linux
machine has an ssh server installed/running you just need to create
a key pair on the client and put the public key on the server then
can scp (personally run ubuntu typically)
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852 [03:42:54] <wafflejock> molluskempire, on the windows side
can use the putty scp and other putty tools
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857 [03:44:23] <missmbob> there's also cwrsync (win side)
and of course rsync on linux.
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902 [04:10:25] <molluskempire> allizom, actually that's hat
I was trying to figure out in the first place. Networks isn't
even showing up under PCManFM...though I suppose that's what I
needed to fucos my search paramaters to. Time to go read a bit
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906 [04:12:15] <allizom> molluskempire: I am reading this:
"type smb:// or smb://machinename/share into the address
bar"
907 [04:12:44] <allizom> I guess you'll need to have
gvfs-backends installed
908 [04:13:19] <molluskempire> could you link the documentation
you're reading?
909 [04:14:15] <allizom> should apply nonetheless:
replaced-url
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914 [04:16:17] <allizom> molluskempire: do you have a smb server
already running on your Windows computer?
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919 [04:17:28] <molluskempire> I do not, however I'm
noticing that under other debian based distro's
'network' showed up in PCManFM, I assume I just need to
configure Debian to do so now.
920 [04:17:47] <molluskempire> I have gvfs-backend
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930 [04:21:43] <jakefb> hi, I'm having a problem with
sendmail it is very slow
931 [04:22:05] <jakefb> I'm trying to configure my hosts
file but I've had no luck at making it fast
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935 [04:23:11] <jakefb> can anyone help?
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954 [04:32:26] <knamehost> does zimbra works well with zimbra?
955 [04:32:37] <knamehost> does zimbra works well with debian
956 [04:32:39] <knamehost> ?
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982 [05:00:19] <missmbob> not so much
983 [05:00:28] <missmbob> !zimbra
984 [05:00:28] <dpkg> Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a
<groupware> application by Zimbra Inc. ZCS Open Source Edition
is not currently packaged for Debian, see
replaced-url
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987 [05:02:40] <awal1> molluskempire, just go to pcmanfm
preferences and in the 3d tab enable show network
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994 [05:07:01] <andlabs> Hi. Running Debian in QEMU with -vga std
on OS X. The default resolution of the terminal overflows the Dock
so I can't see the bottom of the screen. tput lines says 48.
How can I reduce it to 24 **during boot, without modifying GRUB?**
Everything I've found with Google talks about modifying GRUB.
Thanks.
995 [05:07:41] <andlabs> also what is overwriting resolv.conf? I
don't have resolvconf installed
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998 [05:08:37] <andlabs> oh right nm
999 [05:08:46] <andlabs> still wondering about the terminal size
thing
1000 [05:09:30] <andlabs> which is also not installed
1001 [05:09:39] <andlabs> so what's overwriting myr
esolv.conf if it's not resolvconf and it's not
networkmanager?
1002 [05:11:14] <andlabs> oh dhclient
1003 [05:11:15] <andlabs> bleh.
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1013 [05:21:59] <andlabs> or... not.
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1022 [05:26:32] <Rubby> what does it mean when apt says none of my
sources have release files?
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1027 [05:28:34] <hello> hi there
1028 [05:28:36] <hello> how can i install kali linux repo or
something like i can install kali software in jailbroken idevice
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1031 [05:29:28] <Rubby> hello: are you being serious
1032 [05:29:51] <hello> i did jailbreak
1033 [05:29:58] <hello>
replaced-url
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1054 [05:41:56] <jmcnaught> andlabs: can you put your
/etc/apt/sources.list file on
replaced-url
1055 [05:43:59] <andlabs> how would that help? this is a fresh
install; I haven't touched that file yet, and that
shouldn't affect dhclient being a bad boy
1056 [05:44:04] <andlabs> I'm installing resolvconf anyway
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1059 [05:45:04] <jmcnaught> andlabs: sorry wrong person
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1085 [06:03:09] <andlabs> also meh, modifying grub
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1140 [06:38:40] <missmbob> jmcnaught: do you know if stretch d-i
uses ext4 native encryption or still luks?
1141 [06:38:42] <tippy> How does one make powertop settings stay
after reboot?
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1145 [06:40:23] <missmbob> tippy:
replaced-url
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1147 [06:41:18] <missmbob> tippy: archlinux wiki is much
better...always look at their stuff first
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1170 [07:01:29] <tippy> missmbob, thank you!
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1174 [07:02:11] <tippy> Also, I get an error on start-up that says
Failed to start Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of
backlight:acpi_video0 - See 'systemctl status
systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service' for details.
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1177 [07:03:08] <tippy> The output of that command is:
1178 [07:03:09] <tippy>
systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service - Load/Save Screen
Backlight B
1179 [07:03:09] <tippy> Loaded: loaded
(/lib/systemd/system/systemd-backlight@.service; static; vendo
1180 [07:03:09] <tippy> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since
Sun 2016-10-23 23:53:22 CDT; 9min ag
1181 [07:03:09] <tippy> Docs: man:systemd-backlight@.service(8)
1182 [07:03:09] <tippy> Main PID: 611 (code=exited,
status=1/FAILURE)
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1193 [07:08:22] <aZz7eCh> that tippy
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#wikimedia-ayuda|$#^#$
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1303 [08:23:21] <hang> hello Guys, how to avoid ipv4 connecting
during install,upgrade, update package?
1304 [08:23:28] <hang> hello Guys, how to avoid ipv6 connecting
during install,upgrade, update package?
1305 [08:25:36] <missmbob> you unplug it from the internet and use
cd(s)/dvd(s) that include everything you want
1306 [08:25:49] <missmbob> dont configure a mirror
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1309 [08:26:13] <missmbob> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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1334 [08:44:33] <keu4> ahh it's a wonderful day
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1367 [09:03:58] <[exa]> Hi everyone. What's the most
"right" way to reconfigure keyboard layout in X server,
directly in xorg.conf? (i.e. no windowmanager configuration)
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1371 [09:04:35] <[exa]> My configuration of layouts/variants from
xorg.conf gets erased by something (but XKbOptions are processed and
work just right)
1372 [09:04:52] <[exa]> I've also been trying
/etc/default/keyboard, with no success
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1389 [09:12:33] <gebruiker> I am looking for a program ( other
than synaptic ) to make upgrading easy and effortlessly for i.e dad
& mom like folks, any suggestions?
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1395 [09:15:36] <aricz> Hi, trying to add a printer. Most
tutorials tells me to go to the administration menu.. but there are
none..
1396 [09:16:10] <gebruiker> aricz: what DE are you using?
1397 [09:16:27] <aricz> DE?
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1400 [09:16:50] <gebruiker> Desktop Environment, like gnome, kde,
xfce
1401 [09:17:00] <aricz> Ah, xfce
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1403 [09:18:00] <gebruiker> There should be something like print
in the settings menu ( not using english xfce)
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1408 [09:18:23] <aricz> Yeah, I have "Print Settings"
1409 [09:18:39] <aricz> And I can connect to a CUPS server
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1411 [09:19:11] <aricz> I don't know much about printers..
I'm on the wifi network where I'm at.. and I have the
IP-address to the printer
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1414 [09:19:22] <gebruiker> aricz:
replaced-url
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1417 [09:20:02] <aricz> Ok, thanks, will try
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1466 [09:35:20] <tirej> guys when i am trying to install luarocks
it's installing lua5.1
1467 [09:35:40] <tirej> but luarocks has no dependencies
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1470 [09:37:34] <tirej> The following extra packages will be
installed: liblua5.1-0-dev libreadline-dev libreadline6-dev
libtinfo-dev libtool-bin lua5.1
1471 [09:37:34] <tirej> ? wtf
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1482 [09:42:44] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Depends: lua5.1, liblua5.1-dev,
wget, zip
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1484 [09:43:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dont know what you are talking
about
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1491 [09:45:42] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if you think the dependency
shouldn't exist because it doesn't really depend on it,
write a bug report … it'll probably be changed to
"Recommends:" if that's true
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1495 [09:47:24] <jelly-home> ,i luarocks
1496 [09:47:26] <judd> Package luarocks (interpreters, optional)
in jessie/amd64: deployment and management system for Lua modules.
Version: 2.2.0+dfsg-1; Size: 86.4k; Installed: 517k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1498 [09:47:32] <egcmasti> hello
1499 [09:47:36] <egcmasti> i am having an issue
1500 [09:47:58] <jelly-home> if it deploys from source,
there's the reason for having -dev package as a dep
1501 [09:48:57] <Anselmo> egcmasti: what sort of issue?
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1503 [09:49:05] <egcmasti>
replaced-url
1504 [09:49:08] <egcmasti> here
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1507 [09:49:29] <egcmasti> i am unable to install libncurses5
1508 [09:49:44] <egcmasti> this is required for mysql-community
1509 [09:50:25] <jelly-home> egcmasti: your installation has
mixed-in packages from something newer than debian 8 (the current
release)
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1511 [09:50:35] <egcmasti> mysql-community-client : Depends:
libncurses5 (>= 5.5-5~) but it is not going to be installed
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1513 [09:50:46] <egcmasti> yes
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1515 [09:50:50] <egcmasti> now how can i fix it
1516 [09:50:50] <egcmasti> ?
1517 [09:50:52] <egcmasti> :(
1518 [09:50:58] <jelly-home> egcmasti: reinstall debian 8
1519 [09:51:06] <egcmasti> :(
1520 [09:51:16] <egcmasti> this is going to be night mare
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1523 [09:51:32] <egcmasti> becuz i am hosting a game server
1524 [09:51:41] <jelly-home> it's already a mess. Trying to
fix it at this point would be a nightmare
1525 [09:51:50] <egcmasti> damn
1526 [09:52:22] <jelly-home> if you're really desperate, ask
the bot about: /msg dpkg partial downgrade
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1529 [09:54:16] <jelly-home> egcmasti: next time, avoid mixing
stable with anything built for a later branch like testing or
unstable (sid)
1530 [09:54:30] <jelly-home> that probably includes the liquorix
sid repo
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1534 [09:57:37] <egcmasti> ok
1535 [09:57:54] <egcmasti> msg dpkg partial downgrade
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1543 [10:00:45] <jelly-home> egcmasti: you missed the / (the
answer from the bot might be in a different tab or window)
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1560 [10:05:13] <aricz> 60 papers with gibberish later..
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1628 [10:36:56] <Iridos> what grinds my gears is, that evolution
asks me if I want to reply to the mailing list or reply
privately… then, when I say "privately", it answers
to the whole list (and the person)
1629 [10:37:12] <Iridos> (or maybe and the person was a
coincidence because they set themself in CC)
1630 [10:37:23] <Iridos> I wonder if that's a debian thing
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1793 [12:01:02] <felipebalbi> hi, debian SID's gcc-6
can't build linux kernel. I did patch Makefile to pass
-fno-PIE, but I still have issues
1794 [12:01:07] <felipebalbi>
arch/x86/entry/vdso/vdso32/note.S:1:0: sorry, unimplemented:
-mfentry isn’t supported for 32-bit in combination with -fpic
1795 [12:01:10] <felipebalbi> any hints?
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1797 [12:01:23] <felipebalbi> I tried passing -fno-PIC, but
didn't work :-(
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1800 [12:03:02] <felipebalbi> hmm.. make CC="gcc -fno-PIC
-fno-PIE" seems to work. I might have another -fpic somewhere
which I might be missing
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1835 [12:15:11] <bolt> Can someone explain for me the example in
"man 8 pam_localuser"? it has pam_localuser listed as
"sufficient", followed by pam_wheel as
"required". It explains that this provides restrictions
requireing both a local user, and a wheel user. However, the
documentation seems to suggest that once a "sufficient"
module succeeds, no other modules are consulted, so I don't see
how the wheel module is enforced if the user is local...
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1861 [12:25:00] <hesterbest> I am having some issues when trying
to add a user. I've previously added a user with the same
username before, and then deleted it. Now that I am trying to
recreate, I am prompted with the message ''The user
'xxx' already exists.". What can I do to recreate
this user?
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1863 [12:25:25] <SirLagz> hesterbest: how did you delete the user
before? did you also remove the group for the user?
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1865 [12:25:53] <anexit> how can I open a ##test.log file?
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1867 [12:26:09] <anexit> vi says no file found and just creates a
new file
1868 [12:26:11] <hesterbest> SirLagz: I deleted the user with sudo
deluser --remove-home username
1869 [12:26:27] <SirLagz> anexit: "##test.log" ?
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1871 [12:26:59] <anexit> SirLagz: yep that works!
1872 [12:27:04] <anexit> Thanks
1873 [12:27:09] <SirLagz> anexit: no problems
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1875 [12:28:06] <hesterbest> SirLagz: groupdel tells me that the
group does not exists, so I figured that was not the problem.
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1880 [12:29:16] <hesterbest> SirLagz: userdel informs me that it
is unable to remove the entry from /etc/passwd
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1882 [12:29:49] <SirLagz> hesterbest: well you could always remove
it manually from /etc/passwd then
1883 [12:30:14] <hesterbest> SirLagz: The thing is.. there is no
entry for that user in /etc/passwd
1884 [12:30:46] <SirLagz> hesterbest: ah. not sure then.
1885 [12:30:57] <hesterbest> SirLagz: ok, thank you.
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1908 [12:38:52] <yossarianuk> hi - is it possible with ACL's
or something else to give user write permission to a directory but
not be able to delete files ?
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1912 [12:41:33] <p3rs3us> hey guys, for non-login shells, where
the environment variable PATH should be defined? Should I just add
an entry to .bashrc? or is it better elsewhere?
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1922 [12:45:57] <teraflops> ok today is the spam-your-#channel
day…
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1959 [13:01:43] <Iridos> yossarianuk, sticky bit… they can
still delete their own files, though
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1966 [13:04:31] <petn-randall> yossarianuk: On a local system, or
through some network protocol?
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1968 [13:05:00] <serhiy> Здравствуйте, здесь есть кто нибудь
русскоговорящий?
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1970 [13:05:16] <jelly-home> !ru
1971 [13:05:24] <jelly-home> dselect: ru
1972 [13:05:24] <dselect> Это английскоговорящий канал,
пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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1976 [13:05:38] <serhiy> спасибо.
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1979 [13:05:48] <jelly-home> de nada :-)
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2036 [13:32:44] <chemist> Hello everyone, I need your help :) I am
running Debian Jessie 64bit on a laptop. I am also quite a newbie
when it comes to configuring stuff in linux. My problem: All of a
sudden (since last reboot) the monitor attached to the HDMI port
does not get recognized (haven't changed any settings). xrandr
says that it is disconnected.
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2039 [13:33:09] <chemist> Please anyone for a couple of minutes of
your time to help me solve this, because I need the additional
monitor badly for work.
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2041 [13:33:31] <SirLagz> chemist: tried unplugging it and
plugging it back in?
2042 [13:33:33] <chemist> Forgot to mention - my DE is xfce4
2043 [13:33:38] <chemist> SirLagz, already tried
2044 [13:33:59] <SirLagz> chemist: does the XFCE display settings
detect the HDMI monitor?
2045 [13:34:05] <chemist> no
2046 [13:34:10] <foodev> chipset/driver might be useful info
2047 [13:34:12] <chemist> before the last reboot it did
2048 [13:34:33] <chemist> foodev, how do I check that?
2049 [13:34:37] <chemist> lshw?
2050 [13:34:44] <foodev> lspci
2051 [13:34:45] <SirLagz> chemist: lspci is probably easier
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2055 [13:35:16] <chemist> 01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced
Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Jet PRO [Radeon R5 M230]
2056 [13:35:26] <chemist> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R6 Graphics]
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2058 [13:35:41] <foodev> smod see what kernel modules are loaded
2059 [13:35:49] <chemist> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro
Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h (Models 30h-3fh) Processor Root
Complex
2060 [13:35:50] <foodev> lsmod*
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2063 [13:36:05] <foodev> love of god dont paste lsmod here
2064 [13:36:10] <chemist> hahaha
2065 [13:36:15] <chemist> yeah I see...i'll do a pastebin
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2067 [13:36:40] <foodev> just check for fglrx or whatever the ati
driver is
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2069 [13:37:06] <chemist>
replaced-url
2070 [13:37:13] <chemist> oh, ok
2071 [13:37:14] <foodev> then i dunno google that driver+multi
display
2072 [13:37:20] <SirLagz> chemist: or do lspci -s 01:00 -v
2073 [13:37:39] <SirLagz> that also shows you kernel module in use
2074 [13:37:50] <chemist> but the strange thing is that I
didn't upgrade, change settings or anything... shut the pc down
on thursday and today it doesn't work
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2076 [13:37:57] <chemist> SirLagz, ok just a sec.
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2079 [13:38:09] <SirLagz> chemist: tried swapping cables?
2080 [13:38:23] <chemist> Kernel driver in use: fglrx_pci
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2082 [13:38:51] <chemist> SirLagz, no...I don't have a spare
hdmi cable here in office atm
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2084 [13:39:09] <SirLagz> chemist: I'd try that in case the
HDMI cable is buggered. Checked the cable at both ends I assume?
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2088 [13:40:14] <chemist> wait a sec.
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2093 [13:40:57] <chemist> yes, It works now
2094 [13:40:59] <chemist> :/
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2096 [13:41:09] <chemist> The monitor has 2 hdmi inputs
2097 [13:41:10] <SirLagz> chemist: lol...was it loose?
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2100 [13:41:13] <foodev> aticonfig --query-monitor
2101 [13:41:14] <chemist> I put the cable in the other input
2102 [13:41:18] <chemist> now it works
2103 [13:41:21] <chemist> ?? :/
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2105 [13:41:38] <SirLagz> chemist: maybe the monitor didn't
register it being plugged into the other input...or maybe it's
not an input at all!
2106 [13:41:39] <chemist> Noone touched the cables or nothing... I
still don't understand how could it stop working all of a
sudden
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2108 [13:41:59] <SirLagz> chemist: "no one" touched the
cables...
2109 [13:42:01] <chemist> SirLagz, I'm telling you...I'm
the only one using this computer&monitor in office...
2110 [13:42:11] <foodev>
replaced-url
2111 [13:42:16] <SirLagz> chemist: doesn't mean a cleaner
didn't knock the cables out or something
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2113 [13:42:18] <chemist> It worked for like 6 months without any
issues
2114 [13:42:24] <chemist> yeah...could be
2115 [13:42:32] <chemist> But i tried to unplug it
2116 [13:42:38] <chemist> and plug it back in, on both ends of the
cable
2117 [13:42:45] <SirLagz> chemist: never know until you set up
motion on a mini laptop and find out what goes on at your desk
without you knowing lol
2118 [13:42:56] <chemist> hahah :)
2119 [13:42:58] <SirLagz> chemist: I've caught a cleaner
going through my desk at work before
2120 [13:43:09] <foodev> " aticonfig
--enable-monitor=STRING,STRING, where STRING can be: none, lvds,
crt1, crt2, tv, tdms1, tdms2" to force whatever ports on
2121 [13:43:11] <SirLagz> was wondering why money kept
disappearing from my desk.
2122 [13:43:21] <chemist> foodev, thank you for your support, the
monitor is working now
2123 [13:43:31] <foodev> for future reference
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2125 [13:43:48] <chemist> SirLagz, nah, no worries ... The only
valuable thing I got here is my E-Cigarette :P
2126 [13:43:56] <chemist> foodev, thank you very much
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2128 [13:44:02] <chemist> SirLagz, Thank you too
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2130 [13:44:12] <foodev> np that'll be 2 btc
2131 [13:44:13] <SirLagz> chemist: no problems
2132 [13:44:13] <grantwu> How do I install a kernel backport for
Jessie that isn't the latest?
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2134 [13:44:25] <grantwu> I need something older than 4.7, ideally
4.6.7 or something
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2136 [13:44:39] <SirLagz> grantwu: you can force a certain version
to be installed...I forget how though, google will tell you
2137 [13:44:43] <chemist> foodev, what about paypal? :D 100
€?
2138 [13:44:53] <SirLagz> chemist: I'd be happy with paypal!
:P
2139 [13:45:00] <chemist> haha :P
2140 [13:45:09] <grantwu> SirLagz: Where can I find the list of
versions?
2141 [13:45:17] <chemist> I can send you some e-liquids or e-cig
mods for cheap ;)
2142 [13:45:26] <foodev> ill accept linden aswell
2143 [13:45:42] <SirLagz> chemist: lol, I've stopped
e-cigging
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2145 [13:45:55] <SirLagz> grantwu: well if you know the version
you want to install...
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2147 [13:46:15] <chemist> I'm working for a big company that
sells to distributers
2148 [13:46:31] <SirLagz> chemist: heh nice
2149 [13:46:33] <grantwu> SirLagz: I mean... clearly Jessie
doesn't backport every single kernel version
2150 [13:46:39] <chemist> and I got very good prices
2151 [13:47:11] <chemist> some of the stuff is being sold in
stores for more than 200 % the price :D
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2155 [13:47:55] <chemist> SirLagz, yes I'm kind of lucky to
work here, can vape premium e-liquids and change them on a daily
basis without spending much ;)
2156 [13:47:57] <SirLagz> grantwu: apt-cache madison?
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2158 [13:48:03] <SirLagz> chemist: nice
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2160 [13:49:10] <chemist> Btw. I love debian ;)
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2163 [13:52:04] <emilsp> hello, what would be the ideal way to run
a script on the first bootup ? I have to prepare a machine image for
some weird water fog thing in the sky
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2166 [13:55:05] <SirLagz> emilsp: how are you installing Debian in
the first place?
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2168 [13:56:07] <emilsp> I'm using a machine image with
debian already installed, then I'll be using packer (basically
boots up the image, runs my scripts and saves the machine image) to
set it up
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2201 [14:13:58] <chemist> Bye everyone, thanks again for the help
SirLagz, foodev.
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2203 [14:14:27] <SirLagz> chachasmooth: no probs
2204 [14:14:37] <SirLagz> chachasmooth: sorry, didn't mean to
ping you
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2218 [14:18:39] <nickgaw> Hi, Is there a way to share a home
directory between two users using the shell?
2219 [14:18:54] <SirLagz> nickgaw: why do you want to do that?
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2222 [14:19:49] <nickgaw> I have a build user that I use for
compilation and I wish to be able to move files back and forth
between the two directories my home directory and build's home
directory without having to log out and back in.
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2224 [14:20:21] <bolt> nickgaw: bad idea, but you can use things
like bindfs to remap owners and groups on a bind to the other
user's home
2225 [14:20:30] <SirLagz> nickgaw: why not just put the source
files into a directory both users can access?
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2227 [14:21:03] <osx> Is there a way to convert ufw rules into
iptables rules?
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2229 [14:21:32] <nickgaw> What directory exists that I can use for
both users to share files?
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2231 [14:21:57] <SirLagz> nickgaw: anything...you could use
/usr/src/project and make project read/writable by both users for
example
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2235 [14:22:37] <nickgaw> How do you do that without allowing
other users able to modify the directory?
2236 [14:22:40] <missmbob> add both users to group project, for
example. then chmod 775 or whatever you think is reasonable
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2262 [14:30:38] <avian> bolt, a follow up on that font rendering
bug
replaced-url
2263 [14:30:39] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2281 [14:36:49] <MikeDebian> hi all. I've debian 8 with gnome
3.14.0 and gnome-shell 3.14.4. I'm trying to install other
themes. generally I can install the theme but the gnome-shell part
never works properly. with some themes it slightly change the
application/places panel etc but never how it is supposed to. is
there any kind of known issue with this?
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2299 [14:39:26] <missmbob> if you select a new theme and then log
out and back in does it change like it's supposed to?
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2307 [14:40:23] <MikeDebian> with the themes i've tried so
far no, loging out and in doesn't change anything
2308 [14:41:45] <Mahe> MikeDebian: try looking for themes that
explicitly state being compatible with 3.14
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2310 [14:42:02] <MikeDebian> Mahe, yes that's what i've
been trying to do
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2312 [14:42:28] <bolt> avian: ooh. shiny. i'll follow that.
thanks
2313 [14:43:09] <Mahe> MikeDebian: try "Ceti-2" or
"Arc" by horst3180
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2316 [14:43:42] <Mahe> MikeDebian: btw, how are you setting the
shell theme? via gnome-tweak-tool?
2317 [14:44:11] <MikeDebian> yes, that's right, via
gnome-tweak
2318 [14:44:20] <MikeDebian> I'll try those
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2466 [14:45:35] <teknomanic> Hi guys
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2481 [14:46:03] <Mahe> MikeDebian: do you have the Gnome User
Themes shell extensions installed and enabled?
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2485 [14:46:19] <MikeDebian> Mahe, yes I do
2486 [14:46:24] <Mahe> ok
2487 [14:46:24] <teknomanic> i installed debian on usb. When i
boot i am not able to do startx
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2489 [14:46:40] <MikeDebian> I'll try something now.
i'll be back
2490 [14:46:43] <teknomanic> i can see other terminals by
ctrl+alt+f2
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2500 [14:48:20] <bolt> teknomanic: how are you not "able to
do startx"?
2501 [14:48:32] <bolt> teknomanic: do you get any sort of a
helpful error message when you try?
2502 [14:48:51] <teknomanic> gotta relog, brb
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2551 [14:53:13] <JyZyXEL> exim4 fails to start with this error
message: gateway exim[30131]: 2016-10-24 15:52:38 Cannot open main
log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied:
euid=100 egid=102
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2556 [14:54:09] <bolt> JyZyXEL: does that user have the
appropriate permissions to open that file for writing?
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2558 [14:54:34] <JyZyXEL> bolt: -rw-r----- 1 Debian-exim adm 5 Oct
24 15:52 /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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2560 [14:55:35] <bolt> JyZyXEL: and the file system is rw,
Debian-exim is uid 100 and /var/log/exim4 also has the appropriate
permissions?
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2562 [14:56:15] <JyZyXEL> /etc/passwd:
Debian-exim:x:100:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false /etc/group:
Debian-exim:x:102:
2563 [14:56:23] <JyZyXEL> and the filesystem is mounted rw
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2588 [14:57:50] <bolt> JyZyXEL: and /var/log/exim4?
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2591 [14:58:09] <JyZyXEL> bolt: drwxr-s--- 2 ftp adm 4.0K Oct 24
15:54 exim4
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2593 [14:58:17] <JyZyXEL> i have no idea why it is owned by ftp
2594 [14:58:23] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
2595 [14:58:31] <bolt> JyZyXEL: me neither, but I'd suggest
changing it
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2598 [14:58:58] <JyZyXEL> "chown -R Debian-exim:adm
/var/log/exim4"?
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2601 [14:59:12] <bolt> JyZyXEL: that's probably alright, yes
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2603 [14:59:47] <JyZyXEL> yesterday i restored this machine from a
.tar backup so thats what must have broken it
2604 [14:59:51] <JyZyXEL> though i have no idea how
2605 [15:00:02] <jelly-home> JyZyXEL: you cloned parts or whole of
this system from an older one with different uids and gis
2606 [15:00:06] <jelly-home> gids*
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2608 [15:00:41] <JyZyXEL> well it was just a 2 day old full backup
of the rootfs
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2610 [15:01:01] <jelly-home> of the very same machine? Set up
correct groups and users _before_ installing or restoring any other
stuff
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2612 [15:01:28] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand what there is to
set up?
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2615 [15:01:48] <JyZyXEL> i extracted the .tar on to another disk
and thats pretty much it
2616 [15:01:51] <jelly-home> JyZyXEL: if restoring from a
different live image, take care to restore _numerical_ uids and gids
2617 [15:02:14] <jelly-home> JyZyXEL: which OS did you have booted
at restore time, a different one?
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2619 [15:02:48] <JyZyXEL> jelly-home: oh yeah, i did the
un-tarring on my desktop machine
2620 [15:03:13] <jelly-home> that machine has a different numeric
uid for Debian-exim user
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2622 [15:03:40] <JyZyXEL> o_o
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2624 [15:03:43] <jelly-home> Debian-exim is not hardcoded in
policy, the user is generated at installation time
2625 [15:03:44] <bittin> Hello anyone know what can be wrong if a
Debian box, won't get the correct static ip?
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2627 [15:03:57] <jelly-home> so uid and gid can vary
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2630 [15:04:40] <JyZyXEL> so basically i should've used
"--numeric-owner" when un-tarring the backup?
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2632 [15:05:11] <jelly-home> yes
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2637 [15:06:27] <JyZyXEL> that is a huge pitfall
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2643 [15:07:02] <Sick> if I do apt-get update && apt-get
dist-upgrade Shouldn't that upgrade my kernel? If not, what
could be going on?
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2645 [15:07:22] <TG_> is there a kernel upgrade available at this
time?
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2647 [15:07:23] <missmbob> you dont have security in sources.list
or it's already the latest
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2649 [15:07:51] <Sick> missmbob: hmmm yeah I have security in
there... :/
2650 [15:07:59] <jelly-home> ,kernels
2651 [15:08:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686
(4.7.8-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports:
4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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2657 [15:08:25] <missmbob> Sick: and uname -a says what?
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2663 [15:08:39] <jelly-home> Sick: dpkg -s linux-image-$(uname -r)
will tell you the package version amonth other things
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2665 [15:08:48] <Sick> 2.6.32-6-pve #1 SMP Fri Nov 4 06:54:05 CET
2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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2668 [15:09:12] <missmbob> oh you're on one of those funny
containers
2669 [15:09:18] <jelly-home> Sick: that looks like a
container-based VPS. You don't have control of the kernel
2670 [15:09:24] <m-schlitzer> Sooo, I have to package a program at
work and I'm so far that I get multiple .deb packages after
using debuild, but, they all only contain the changelog and a readme
2671 [15:09:29] <Sick> ahhhh
2672 [15:09:37] <jelly-home> funny thing is, there are probably
exploits to escape the container
2673 [15:09:40] <m-schlitzer> What could I do to make it work?
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2675 [15:09:41] <Sick> ok thanks guys. I appreciate the help.
2676 [15:09:49] <Sick> I'll ask my host admin
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2679 [15:10:41] <missmbob> doubt they'll do anything
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2685 [15:14:17] <palaxi0> sd
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2687 [15:14:55] <jelly-home> the 2011 vintage kernel does point in
that direction
2688 [15:15:04] <cccc828> I have a strange problem, and wondered
if anyone had any idea how to track it down: I run debian testing
and with kernel 4.7 I can no longer connect to a projector via the
VGA port of my laptop (connecting to a monitor works). If I boot
kernel 4.5 it works. Does anyone have an idea how to track down the
problem?
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2695 [15:19:38] <m-schlitzer> Also no one at work knows how to do
it, which isn't helping me at all
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2697 [15:20:27] <Sick> jelly-home: thanks for your quick and kind
response. :)
2698 [15:21:25] <bittin> solved the problems was some
replaced-url
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2701 [15:22:29] <SmackMyBitchUp> Hello world! Since I updated my
Jessie 8.5 old Kernel with the backported one (4+) ,I've been
unable to get the wifi to work again on my Asus laptop. ifconfig
sees my "wlan0" but in the wifi panel it says "no
Networks", what gives?
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2716 [15:27:46] <greycat> dpkg, cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing
=~ s#replaced-url
2717 [15:27:46] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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2722 [15:29:53] <idts> upgrade of x fails with some deps issues
here is pastebin
replaced-url
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2730 [15:33:44] <missmbob> greycat: is there a way to get a list
of existing cmd's in dpkg?
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2732 [15:33:56] <greycat> dpkg, listkeys cmd:
2733 [15:33:57] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'cmd:' by key
(13 of 969): #del# cmd: britsmite (.*?) ;; #del# cmd: clarice (.*?)
;; #del# cmd: disinfect (.*?) ;; #del# cmd: modprobe (.*?) ;; CMD:
apostrophesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: chair (.*?) ;; CMD: die (.*?) ;; CMD:
fucktest (.*?) ;; CMD: myskart (.*?) ;; CMD: speak french to (.*?)
;; CMD: tease (.*?) ;; CMD: testaaa (.*?) ;; CMD: why is (.*?) not
in testing.
2734 [15:34:04] <greycat> I don't know how to get a full
list.
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2737 [15:34:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> use the web interface
2738 [15:34:52] <jelly-home> ircbots.debian.net
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2740 [15:35:13] <jelly-home> !penixstrike CutMeOwnThroat
2741 [15:35:13] <dpkg> A towering Penix descends from the heavens,
knocking CutMeOwnThroat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
2742 [15:35:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> right… was just looking it
up, altzheimer's doesn't allow me to give it out
immediately
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2745 [15:35:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's a factoid on it,
too!
2746 [15:35:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, ircbot
2747 [15:35:36] <dpkg> CutMeOwnThroat: i haven't a clue
2748 [15:35:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> dammit!
2749 [15:35:44] <idts> why would a dist-upgrade cause xorg to
wants perl4 while perl5 is to be installed
2750 [15:35:46] <jelly-home> dpkg: listvals ircbots
2751 [15:35:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, dpkgbot
2752 [15:35:48] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'ircbots' by
value (9): judd ;; msg the bot ;; search dpkg ;; policy-rc.d ;;
judd-file ;; source judd ;; judd-packages ;; judd-hardware ;;
archive statistics.
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2754 [15:36:07] <jelly-home> CutMeOwnThroat: it helps if you
already know the answer
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2756 [15:36:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> pff
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2758 [15:36:23] <idts> haha
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2762 [15:37:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> idts, wheezy?
2763 [15:37:13] <jelly-home> idts: perl4 hasn't been in
Debians for more than a decade
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2765 [15:37:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> squeeze?
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2767 [15:37:39] <jelly-home> think "potato"
2768 [15:37:47] <idts> just a wheezy->jessie already done
smooth just x
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2770 [15:38:10] <jelly-home> dpkg, tell idts about basic apt
troubleshooting
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2775 [15:39:23] <idts> jelly-home> idts: perl4 hasn't been
in Debians for more than a decade
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2779 [15:40:29] <idts> jelly-home:just did a dist-upgrade and just
the xorg upgrade failed
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2784 [15:41:23] <jelly-home> idts: dpkg sent you a private message
with some instructions. Read them carefully and provide ALL the info
2785 [15:41:34] <jelly-home> preferably in a single pastebin entry
2786 [15:41:48] <idts> jelly-home:trying to fix this got this
replaced-url
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2790 [15:42:30] <idts> jelly-home:I got dpkg message but at this
point it is not possible
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2793 [15:42:35] <missmbob> that's not ALL the info :P
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2797 [15:43:07] <idts> missmbob:that is all the info from a single
command
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2799 [15:43:29] <jelly-home> idts: take screenshots with a camera
phone or something
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2802 [15:44:07] <jelly-home> or redirect all the outputs to a
file, put it on a usb stick, then upload it
2803 [15:44:15] <idts> jelly-home: hehe that is going over board
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2806 [15:44:29] <jelly-home> idts: ok. Well, good luck with your
issue then
2807 [15:44:56] <jelly-home> next!
2808 [15:45:03] <idts> jelly-home: just want to run apt-get
install libegl1-mesa
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2819 [15:46:52] <idts> jelly-home:
replaced-url
2820 [15:46:53] <greycat> He's worried about *mesa* crap when
he doesn't have working internet?!
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2823 [15:47:39] <idts> greycat:says who?
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2831 [15:50:22] <idts> jelly-home: greycat, this is somewhat
similar to having circular deps issues due systems not upgraded for
long long
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2836 [15:51:41] <greycat> ,v libglapi-mesa
2837 [15:51:42] <judd> Package: libglapi-mesa on amd64 -- wheezy:
8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie:
10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 12.0.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
12.0.3-1; sid: 12.0.3-2
2838 [15:52:03] <greycat> you've got some kind of
wheezyjessie frankendebian
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2840 [15:52:07] <jelly-home> I'm going to wait for the
apt-cache policies.
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2842 [15:52:16] <idts> ah ok, have
2843 [15:52:17] <greycat> libglapi-mesa (= 8.0.5-3) but
10.3.2-1+deb8u1 is to be installed
2844 [15:52:24] <idts> yes
2845 [15:52:30] <jelly-home> greycat: that happens when
you're doing a wheezy->jessie release upgrade, yes
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2848 [15:52:37] <greycat> has wheezy, but jessie "is to be
installed". Frankendebian. Unfixable by me.
2849 [15:52:39] <idts> yes
2850 [15:52:47] <idts> no
2851 [15:52:58] <idts> jessie fully functional now
2852 [15:53:07] <idts> just xorg
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2854 [15:53:39] <jelly-home> in particular, apt-cache policy lsof
libperl4-corelibs-perl perl xserver-xorg-input-evdev
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2857 [15:53:55] <idts> talking to you from jessie, and yes
2858 [15:53:57] <abique> Hi, how should be named a debian package
with a release candidate version?
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2860 [15:54:11] <abique> my-pkg.1.3.19~rc2 ?
2861 [15:54:26] <jelly-home> abique: is it a native package?
2862 [15:54:44] <abique> jelly-home, what do you mean by native?
2863 [15:54:59] <idts> jelly-home: have perl5 installed which is
also causing this issue
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2865 [15:55:02] <abique> I work at bitwig.com and I'm trying
to fix the name of the .deb we give to our RCs
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2867 [15:56:01] <jelly-home> abique: is it a package for software
made by your own company, or are you repackaging a build of someone
else's sources?
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2870 [15:56:21] <abique> jelly-home, from our own code
2871 [15:56:27] <abique> It is not repackaging
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2874 [15:57:07] <jelly-home> abique: asking because 1.3.19~rc2
does not contain a debian revision number like 1.3.19~rc2-1, and
that's only allowed for your own software
2875 [15:57:19] <idts> jelly-home: there is the policy
replaced-url
2876 [15:57:42] <abique> jelly-home, ok so
bitwig-studio-1.3.19~rc2-1.deb is the right name
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2880 [15:59:04] <jelly-home> abique:
bitwig-studio_1.3.19~rc2-1_ARCHITECTUREHERE.deb and you don't
have to name it manually
2881 [15:59:28] <abique> awesome :D
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2884 [15:59:32] <abique> many thanks jelly-home
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2887 [16:00:06] <jelly-home> your build process should probably be
fixed if you don't get correct names right after
dpkg-buildpackage/debuild
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2891 [16:01:07] <abique> jelly-home, yes that what I wanted to do
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2893 [16:01:26] <abique> but I needed to know how to name my
version correctly so debian understands it
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2899 [16:04:45] <jelly-home> assuming you're building .deb
from source, if you put the right thing in debian/control, the build
process ought to generate .deb files with sane names
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2904 [16:05:53] <jelly-home> idts: huh, that looks mostly sane
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2908 [16:06:51] <jelly-home> idts: pastebin the rest of the info,
then
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2910 [16:07:28] <idts> jelly-home: well now am confused, what rest
info
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2913 [16:07:45] <jelly-home> idts: read carefully what dpkg told
you.
2914 [16:08:00] <jelly-home> there are three items, you've
done one and a half
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2918 [16:08:33] <jelly-home> still missing half of 2. output from
"apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned
ANYWHERE in the problem
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2920 [16:08:37] <jelly-home> and 3. "apt-cache policy".
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2922 [16:08:55] <idts> jelly-home: ah yes
replaced-url
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2929 [16:10:51] <idts> jelly-home: have no idea why 2. was
truncated, are you sure
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2931 [16:11:41] <jelly-home> idts: it wasn't truncated, you
just did not put in all the package names
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2933 [16:12:02] <jelly-home> only those that I mentioned
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2936 [16:12:59] <idts> ok, got it let me see
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2938 [16:14:58] <idts> jelly-home: this should do it then
replaced-url
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2943 [16:16:34] <jelly-home> idts: and libgl1-mesa-glx ?
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2946 [16:17:17] <idts> jelly-home: ok
replaced-url
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2987 [16:32:11] <halt> Hi, all I'm packaging up my own
software ( just internal use ) into debs, and I can't find the
right docs about cron file syntax, mainly what I'm interested
is the user which that cron will be executed with
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2990 [16:33:04] <halt> mi h d m w user command ?
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2993 [16:33:41] <greycat> I don't know if it's the
*correct* answer, but I would simply write something like su
"$username" -c "crontab -l" > tmpfile
&& append to tmpfile && su "$username" -c
"crontab tmpfile" in the postinst script.
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2995 [16:34:11] <jelly-home> halt: that's the syntax when
your entries are put in a file in /etc/cron.d/, yes
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2998 [16:34:58] <jelly-home> halt: probably man 5 crontab
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3000 [16:35:11] <greycat> Ah, /etc/cron.d/ looks like a better
solution for packages.
3001 [16:35:26] <greycat> the comment in /etc/crontab also shows
the syntax
3002 [16:35:26] <halt> jelly-home: yes that's where it's
goes thx for the confirmation, greycat: it's a long list so I
prefer the file instead or postinstall script
3003 [16:35:58] <halt> thx both !
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3027 [16:42:43] <halt> and if I'm already here... let's
drop in a hot topic ! what do you guys think about the little
brothers idea of packaging ( yes I'm referring to Ubuntu and
snap ) I mean it's a bit like
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3048 [16:48:37] <bolt> halt: so the next time openssl hits the
fan, i have to wait for an update from every single packager of
something that uses openssl, instead of just patching my version of
openssl. that sounds like fun.
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3050 [16:48:54] <greycat> that sounds like you aren't using
stable
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3053 [16:49:15] <bolt> greycat: ?
3054 [16:49:41] <greycat> Well, it sounds like what happens when
there is a Transition in testing or unstable.
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3056 [16:49:58] <bolt> greycat: just discussing the whole
"snap" thing halt mentioned
3057 [16:50:02] <greycat> I have no idea what halt was saying. His
message got truncated before he explained what he was talking about.
Or he just assumed we would know somehow.
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3060 [16:50:39] <bolt> greycat: it's about the idea of every
package including a copy of its own dependencies. and personally i
think it's terrible
3061 [16:51:25] <greycat> So, like, 99% of the packages would
include a full copy of libc? What? What possible advantages would
this have?
3062 [16:52:06] <module000> greycat: well, it let's people
install software that are unable to reason about or maintain
dependencies...which from their point of view is "good",
and everyone's else point of view is "fscking insane"
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3066 [16:52:46] <greycat> Oh, it's for letting everyone
quickly and instantly convert their systems into frankendebians.
3067 [16:52:52] <module000> *exactly*
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3069 [16:53:03] <greycat> s/instantly/easily/
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3075 [16:54:30] <halt> bolt: the fact that you need more include
is a disadvantage for sure, but the advantage is that they try to
make every package installable on the same way on any system,
don't get me wrong I would love if everyone start to use
deb's as a main src of code so maintainer of an project like
httpd or nginx can just create one package and done
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3078 [16:54:54] <greycat> halt: I think nobody in #debian will
agree that this is a good idea.
3079 [16:55:12] <bolt> halt: they can. it just won't be
accepted into the official repos
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3081 [16:55:43] <greycat> I suppose the people doing this would
also be statically linking everything.
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3083 [16:55:59] <halt> greycat: fair enough, I did not expected
anything else really I'm just curious
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3085 [16:56:18] <greycat> Still, this *breaks* eventually. E.g.
when things moved from libc5 to libc6, the way name resolution was
done changed (/etc/nsswitch.conf instead of the thing libc5 used),
so even statically linked programs stop working.
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3101 [17:02:10] <monsterco> how everyone - I am doing
"apt-get dist-upgrade" but my 8.6 is not upgrading to 8.8.
Is that all I need to do to upgrade?
3102 [17:02:17] <greycat> what
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3104 [17:02:41] <greycat> 8.6 is the current point release of
jessie. There is no 8.8.
3105 [17:02:48] <monsterco> oh ops
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3113 [17:08:25] <idts> jelly-home: no hints on a workaround yet...
libglapi can not be upgraded with ease guess what a pain
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3136 [17:18:52] <monsterco> Is this the correct line for official
debian distro in my sources list? deb
replaced-url
3137 [17:19:01] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3138 [17:19:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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3142 [17:22:18] <babilen> Debian really should make up their mind
as to which URL they want to use for they CDN backed mirrors
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3146 [17:23:51] <greycat> But if they keep changing it every two
months, they can trick more and more people into using httpredir!
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3148 [17:24:23] <babilen> httpredir has been/will be superseded by
deb.debian.org
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3150 [17:24:23] <greycat> That's the goal, right? To make
people's apt commands fail so they come here for support?
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3152 [17:24:29] <babilen> Maybe ..
3153 [17:24:33] <babilen> I'm no longer sure
3154 [17:24:46] <missmbob> why is deb taking over?
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3157 [17:25:04] <babilen> "better"
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3159 [17:25:32] <missmbob> it just looks wrong. like someone
fucked with the factoid for fun
3160 [17:25:45] <babilen>
replaced-url
3161 [17:26:11] <babilen> Not sure if it can be used with
jessie's apt, tbh
3162 [17:26:11] <greycat> Deb deb debian... su su sussudio...
3163 [17:26:14] * TomTomTosch is waiting for the deb protocol :3
3164 [17:26:27] <greycat> babilen: huh? It's just a hostname.
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3167 [17:27:26] <babilen> It apparently does http redirects (like
httpredir) for older apt versions
3168 [17:27:54] <greycat> I don't understand what you mean by
apt versions.
3169 [17:27:58] <babilen> So in that it is providing better
service for newer apt versions, while staying compatible with older
versions for which it behaves like httpredir
3170 [17:28:05] <babilen> judd: v apt
3171 [17:28:07] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security:
0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; stretch:
1.3.1; sid: 1.3.1
3172 [17:28:11] <babilen> greycat: ^
3173 [17:28:14] <greycat> What does that have to do with hostname
resolution?
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3176 [17:28:47] <babilen> greycat: It appears as if newer apt
versions make use of the SRV record
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3178 [17:29:02] <babilen> I literally just read that webpage
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3180 [17:29:49] <Jean24> Hello, I have a small issue with lftp
(4.7.2, Debian Testing) I'm using "mirror -c -P4
--delete" to mirror a folder on my server to local. The folder
on my server contains files starting with ~ (tilde) but lftp
doesn't save them to local. Is it a bug or expected behaviour ?
thanks for your help
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3182 [17:30:37] <greycat> "either because you use an older
apt or because you use a HTTP proxy that does not support SRV
records,"
3183 [17:31:02] <greycat> Gah. Now I'm supposed to learn what
an SRV record is? And I'll just go right ahead and assume that
my squid proxy doesn't handle them.
3184 [17:31:52] <greycat> Squid Cache: Version 2.7.STABLE9
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3189 [17:33:50] <missmbob> i dont understand. why would apt need
srv records? what benefit is happening?
3190 [17:34:30] <greycat> Jean24: does it work in jessie's
version?
3191 [17:35:24] * greycat reads
replaced-url
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3200 [17:40:33] <monsterco> Is there any built-in debian tool that
can allow me to do network analyse like ARP scan etc...? or must I
use things like nmap?
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3202 [17:40:53] <greycat> nmap is a Debian package, no?
3203 [17:41:00] <bolt> what's wrong with nmap?
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3279 [18:08:45] <Jean24> greycat: same issue with stable
unfortunately
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3305 [18:17:26] <Jean24> greycat: hmm sorry, no it was working
fine with stable. The issue appeared when I upgraded to testing (and
lftp 4.7.2 so)
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3314 [18:20:42] <maziar> i have 48 CPU core but tar is just using
one of them, why ? how can i force it to use all of CPU's ?
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3318 [18:21:52] <module000> maziar: are you creating a compressed
archive? if so, pipe tar into a compressor that can utilize multiple
processes(like `pigz` in the case of gzip)
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3321 [18:22:44] <maziar> module000 yes, would you please tell me a
full example ?
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3325 [18:23:04] <module000> maziar: tar cf /some/path | pigz >
some_archive.tar.gz
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3327 [18:23:20] <module000> maziar: didn't mean to put the
'f' in 'cf', leave it out
3328 [18:23:52] <maziar> module000 let me test i
3329 [18:23:53] <maziar> it
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3355 [18:32:35] <module000> derp.
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3363 [18:35:46] <maziar> module000 it not work in mycase
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3365 [18:36:09] <maziar> tar cf underten.tar files/ | xz -e -9
underten.tar.xz
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3398 [18:49:51] <balor> Is package-0.0.1-a_all.deb >
package-0.0.1_all.deb xor vice versa?
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3404 [18:52:27] <jelly-home> balor: use dpkg --compare-versions
(rftm)
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3408 [18:54:49] <jelly-home> a=0.0.1-a; b=0.0.1; if dpkg
--compare-version $a gt $b; then echo $a is larger than $b; else
echo $a is not larger than $b; fi
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3410 [18:55:24] * greycat throws a bushel of quotes at jelly-home
3411 [18:55:28] <jelly-home> fixing the typo may even make that
work
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3422 [18:57:57] <linux50> Hello Everyone
3423 [18:58:14] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3430 [19:01:15] * jelly-home annoys greycat with pidgin-sipe wrapper
that puts a /usr/bin/pidgin ending with a line like:
/usr/bin/pidgin.orig $*
3431 [19:01:31] <jelly-home> no exec, no "$@"
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3433 [19:02:00] <greycat> A shell script on a unix system? That
has bugs? Newbie bugs? I am utterly shocked.
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3435 [19:02:26] <jelly-home> debian is not unix ;-)
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3459 [19:11:03] <linux50> Hello EVeryone. Using /etc/resolv.conf
as an exmaple. How can I tell which package the /etc/resolv.conf
file came from in debian? In RHEL it would be the equivalent of
"rpm -qf /etc/resolv.conf"
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3461 [19:11:55] <greycat> resolv.conf does not come from a single
source.
3462 [19:12:02] <linux50> okay
3463 [19:12:05] <linux50> using another example
3464 [19:12:09] <linux50> /etc/ntp.conf
3465 [19:12:11] <greycat> It's rewritten on the fly by any
number of different things, primarily dhcp-client.
3466 [19:12:24] <greycat> the command you want *in general* is
dpkg -S /pathname
3467 [19:12:31] <linux50> awesome
3468 [19:12:31] <linux50> ty
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3470 [19:14:15] <SerajewelKS> i thought resolvconf managed it and
other things like dhclient fed resolvconf data
3471 [19:14:23] <SerajewelKS> (at least by default?)
3472 [19:14:32] <greycat> resolvconf is not installed by default
AFAIK
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3474 [19:14:48] <greycat> ,popcon resolvconf
3475 [19:14:49] <judd> Popcon data for resolvconf: inst: 8107,
vote: 5725, old: 2232, recent: 141, nofiles: 9
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3485 [19:18:36] <grantwu> I'm having some trouble downgrading
my video drivers
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3490 [19:19:21] <greycat> !downgrade
3491 [19:19:21] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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3516 [19:30:32] <Kobaz> i'm having a problem with ntpd:
'rdate -n -p localhost'... and i get: rdate: Ignoring NTP
server with alarm flag set
3517 [19:30:46] <Kobaz> ntpd is running, and i even have tos
orphan 6 set
3518 [19:30:49] <greycat> why are you using rdate with ntpd?
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3520 [19:31:00] <NeedHLP> Hi all
3521 [19:31:09] <Kobaz> greycat: to check the status
3522 [19:31:18] <NeedHLP> why is it that everytime i am chosing
lvm with luks encryption it messes up?
3523 [19:31:25] <greycat> Try ntptrace instead.
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3526 [19:31:40] <greycat> Or whatever the newfangled version of
ntptrace is...
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3528 [19:32:05] <NeedHLP> i install debian on a USB with lvm and
luks. First time i am able to boot into it. But the second time i
when i restart the pc i cannot boot into it.
3529 [19:32:09] <veek> why does debian hang/pause for a long time
on 'Unattended upgrades' i don't have autoupdate
enabled
3530 [19:32:33] <Kobaz> # ntptrace ip6-localhost: stratum 16,
offset 0.000000, synch distance 0.000000
3531 [19:32:38] <NeedHLP> why does that happen. I just tried it
without the luks, where there is only lvm on the usb. THen it works
fine and i can boot everytime from it
3532 [19:32:56] <greycat> Kobaz: did you just restart ntpd quite
recently?
3533 [19:33:12] <Kobaz> recently as of, saturday 6pm
3534 [19:33:15] <bolt> Can someone explain for me the example in
"man 8 pam_localuser"? it has pam_localuser listed as
"sufficient", followed by pam_wheel as
"required". It explains that this provides restrictions
requireing both a local user, and a wheel user. However, the
documentation seems to suggest that once a "sufficient"
module succeeds, no other modules are consulted, so I don't see
how the wheel module is enforced if the user is local...
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3537 [19:33:25] <NeedHLP> can someone pls help me
3538 [19:33:36] <Kobaz> i always have this problem with ntpd,
it's generally in alarm mode
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3541 [19:33:38] <greycat> Kobaz: hmm, then something is wrong
indeed.
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3545 [19:33:57] <greycat> I have no idea what alarm mode is, but
your stratum should be like 4 or so.
3546 [19:34:06] <Kobaz> so, usually what i do, is rdate from like
clock.nist.gov, start ntpd with tos orphan mode, so that clients
trust the ntp time
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3550 [19:34:33] <greycat> I don't know what all this stuff is
that you're doing. You just need to find out why ntpd is not
working correctly, and then *let it run*.
3551 [19:34:39] <Kobaz> alarm means it doesn't think its in
sync
3552 [19:34:48] <greycat> The stratum 16 also means that, but OK.
3553 [19:35:01] <greycat> Are you firewalled? Can't reach
your ntp servers?
3554 [19:35:13] <Kobaz> greycat: i know. In theory ntp should sync
and then the clients sync to it
3555 [19:35:17] <grantwu>
replaced-url
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3558 [19:35:39] <Kobaz> # rdate -n -p 0.debian.pool.ntp.org Mon
Oct 24 13:35:30 EDT 2016
3559 [19:35:44] <Kobaz> yes, i can reach the ntp servers
3560 [19:36:01] <greycat> Does rdate use the same protocol (port
number) as NTP?
3561 [19:36:10] <Kobaz> yes, if you use -n
3562 [19:36:15] <Kobaz> -n is NTP
3563 [19:36:24] <Kobaz> -n Use SNTP (RFC 2030) instead of the RFC
868 time protocol.
3564 [19:36:55] <__raven__> how to shrink an encrypted system hdd
without loosing the system?
3565 [19:36:59] <greycat> So, find the ntp logs (/var/log/daemon.*
or something) and see what's breaking.
3566 [19:37:05] <Elronnd> when ssh asks me for a password for my
privkey, it now opens up a gnome window
3567 [19:37:06] <Kobaz> greycat: nothing according to the logs
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3571 [19:37:37] <Elronnd> also, even if I ssh-add, it still asks
me for a password
3572 [19:37:38] <SerajewelKS> Elronnd: gnome's keyring set
itself up as your ssh agent, it sounds like
3573 [19:37:41] <Kobaz> greycat: Oct 24 13:29:47 acs ntpd[6435]:
Listen normally Oct 24 13:29:47 acs ntpd[6435]: peers refreshed
3574 [19:37:58] <greycat> No lines after that?
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3577 [19:38:04] <Elronnd> but what changed? I didn't do
anything
3578 [19:38:08] <Kobaz> greycat: that's it
3579 [19:38:15] <Elronnd> __raven__: I don't think you can
3580 [19:38:16] <SerajewelKS> Elronnd: did you install or update
any packages?
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3582 [19:38:45] <SerajewelKS> __raven__: usually you have to
duplicate the system to another disk, wipe your disk, then rebuild
it to be the size you want
3583 [19:38:51] <Elronnd> I updated recently, that could be it
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3586 [19:39:19] <Elronnd> how do I stop this?
3587 [19:39:29] <NeedHLP> i guess im on my own
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3589 [19:39:37] <__raven__> SerajewelKS Elronnd
replaced-url
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3591 [19:39:45] <SerajewelKS> Elronnd: gnome has a habit of
weirdly changing things during updates. someone was in here
yesterday talking about how the sort order of gtk file chooser
dialogs suddenly changed from folders-first to truly alphabetical
(folders mixed with files).
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3602 [19:45:14] <ipx> What can cause dconf-service and gvfsd-* to
spawn themselves?
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3606 [19:47:49] <veek> should i file a bugreport for the
'Unattended upgrade' hanging thing - under systemd?
3607 [19:48:13] <veek> it just pauses after that message and then
i see some stuff about usb after a long wait
3608 [19:48:34] <Kobaz> greycat: the biggest issue is i can't
spend hours debugging this :(
3609 [19:48:34] <veek> i'm on jessie and bugreport says
there's a new version in stretch
3610 [19:48:42] <veek> 231-9
3611 [19:49:03] <Kobaz> greycat: i just swapped out ntpd for
chrony, and now i have a working local time server
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3670 [20:14:27] <Frogg_> Hi all, i am trying to set a multiboot
with syslinux containing a debian installer (jessie :
debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso), i am getting some troubles with file
that are not shown on the CDrom: "Incorrect CD-ROM detected.
The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for
installation"
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3673 [20:14:54] <Frogg_> I tried lot of configuration without
success, any one got an idea how can i solve the trouble ?
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3676 [20:15:20] <cruncher> Frogg_, did you check the md5sum of the
iso?
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3680 [20:15:42] <cruncher> or better sha256 if its the dvd
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3683 [20:15:54] <Frogg_> i tested for example the paramaters
live-media-path, ignore_uuid,cdrom-detect/try-usb=true and a mix of
some other, without success
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3688 [20:16:13] <Frogg_> the iso works well, in PXE with syslinux
works fine
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3690 [20:16:19] <Frogg_> with the command :
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3692 [20:16:29] <Frogg_> APPEND root=/dev/nfs
debian-installer/language=fr console-setup/layoutcode=fr
boot=install netboot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.2:/debianx64 splash
3693 [20:17:24] <cruncher> Frogg_, dont think it works, check it
better.. and it is sha1, not sha256 as i mentioned before
3694 [20:17:37] <cruncher> just to be sure
3695 [20:18:52] <somiaj> Frogg_: the debian iso's are very
hybrid (both usb and cdrom bootable along with both efi and legacy
bootable) -- as such they may require a bunch of extra work to get
them bootable from a multiboot iso setup. I'm unsure on the
details but maybe #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net may have some advise
about how to correctly get the installer/live system to boot.
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3697 [20:19:40] <Frogg_> thanks i didn't know this channel, i
am going to have a look
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3751 [20:38:14] <Frogg_> @cruncher you are right, i tested it more
than start install script, it seems not working too with same
trouble, thanks, i will check about it
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3823 [21:01:50] <Chr|s> Trying to get pepperflash installed so I
am able to use it on Chromium. I installed it according to the wiki,
but still no pepperflash in plugins
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3833 [21:05:23] <somiaj> Chr|s: the script is curretnly broken.
Check the bugreports. I think there is a patch/fix for the script
there
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3835 [21:05:41] <somiaj> Chr|s: i.e. the script needs to extract
the plugin from goggle-chrome and download it.
3836 [21:05:42] <Chr|s> somiaj, ahh ok
3837 [21:05:48] <Chr|s> thanks
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3886 [21:19:39] <TennPornoFree> у меня на виндовс есть галочка ...
управления любым прибором нажал и пиздец униксу и любой другой
системе )) с кем поделиться
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3897 [21:21:45] <cruncher> !ru
3898 [21:21:45] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
3899 [21:22:30] <greycat> I'm guessing the
"PornoFree" part of his nick is justification enough for
the ban, even though I have no idea what he said.
3900 [21:23:24] <bolt> no love for my PAM question?
3901 [21:23:28] <cruncher> greycat, yes, what he said justifies a
ban :)
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3903 [21:24:03] <cruncher> *also
3904 [21:24:11] <debian92> Debian testing can be rolling release?
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3907 [21:25:26] <cruncher> debian92, rolling release in the
traditional meaning, no, but you can have testing instead of stretch
in the sources.list, that gives some users a rolling release feeling
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3909 [21:25:55] <Chr|s> somiaj, it looks like it has been fixed
hmm
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3911 [21:26:39] <somiaj> cruncher: I would not suggest having
'testing' in ones sources.list in any situation. stretch
is fine (after stretch freezes testing can be very broken and one
shoudln't just upgrade accidently to testing during that phase)
3912 [21:26:51] <somiaj> Chr|s: it has been broken and fixed
multiple times. I think the current state is broken again.
3913 [21:26:57] <debian92> So if I am use testing jessie for now,
I should type apt-get upgrade?
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3915 [21:27:20] <somiaj> debian92: don't mix testing and
jessie. Use either jessie or use stretch, don't use a mix
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3918 [21:27:46] <cruncher> somiaj, never said its wise, just
answered regarding to his question
3919 [21:28:15] <nickgaw> Hi, I have installed the
deb-multimedia.org repository what tool exists to play mp4 or wmv
files in the console or to play just the audio from such files using
the console?
3920 [21:28:16] <cruncher> debian92, but do not mistake it, it is
not a rolling release at all
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3922 [21:28:28] <greycat> !dmm
3923 [21:28:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
3924 [21:28:54] <debian92> Can I update or upgrade debian testing
for the next release?
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3926 [21:29:27] <greycat> !debian-next
3927 [21:29:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
3928 [21:30:06] <nickgaw> ok so what packages exist for playing
mp4 or wmv files on the console or just the audio for these formats
as so far I have not installed any packages from this repository?
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3930 [21:30:37] <greycat> mplayer will definitely suffice, but I
only use the mplayer from jessie, NOT from dmm.
3931 [21:31:11] <nickgaw> ok will it work on the console or does
it require X windows?
3932 [21:31:36] <greycat> "Question?"
"Answer." "Answer?" *silence*
3933 [21:31:43] <keltim> nickgaw, there's many such apps, esp
for audio. apt-cache search is yr friend
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3935 [21:32:09] <th0r> nickgaw, sox contains a cli program
'play'...along with a ton of other things
3936 [21:32:22] <greycat> sox/play is only for .wav files, right?
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3938 [21:32:41] <th0r> greycat, I thought it would handle others
as well...but you may be right
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3940 [21:32:51] <greycat> I don't have it installed at the
moment.
3941 [21:33:55] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sox reads the "most popular
formats"
3942 [21:34:03] <keltim> there's mplayer, mpg321, moc,
adplay, mp3blaster ... dozens more
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3949 [21:35:16] <th0r> greycat, only have a few to choose
from....sox will play .ogg files
3950 [21:35:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> try it and see
3951 [21:36:36] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I'd still go with mplayer
*shrug*
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3955 [21:37:44] <keltim> it's probably the best one
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3961 [21:39:57] <cruncher> sox will play mp3 only after you
install the mp3 handler (libsox-fmt-mp3)
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3964 [21:42:10] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why one would use an army knife
to listen to music is still undtermined, though :P
3965 [21:42:15] <nickgaw> mplayer on the console told me failed to
initialize the video filters does it not work in the console or just
X windows?
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3968 [21:42:36] <greycat> It WILL WORK on a pure console. If you
pass it an audio file with no video, or if you tell it not to play
video.
3969 [21:42:42] <cruncher> CuteMeOwnThroat :D
3970 [21:42:45] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it cannot play video without
something to play a video on. duh.
3971 [21:43:11] <nickgaw> what option will just play the audio
from the video?
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3973 [21:43:15] <CuteMeOwnThroat> spoiler: it also cannot play
audio without an audio sink
3974 [21:43:17] <nkuttler> or you could use the framebuffer driver
or libaa/caca
3975 [21:43:18] <greycat> 15:30 nickgaw> ok so what packages
exist for playing mp4 or wmv files on the console or just the audio
for these formats [...]
3976 [21:43:42] <greycat> Ask #mplayer how to play JUST the audio
parts of an audio/video file.
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3978 [21:43:47] <greycat> Or read man mplayer.
3979 [21:44:00] <nickgaw> ok
3980 [21:44:07] <nkuttler> nickgaw: -vo help
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3982 [21:44:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mplayer -vo null x.mp4
3983 [21:45:02] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if there's really no
display at all to chose from it'll probably just play sound
anyway
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3985 [21:45:58] <greycat> Then again, he's also got a dmm
version so who knows how they broke that.
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3987 [21:46:40] <nkuttler> i thought mpv is the future anyway
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3989 [21:46:59] <christy> Hello
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3991 [21:47:06] <nickgaw> the -novideo option worked.
3992 [21:47:28] <christy> I've an app that has its output
channeled on localhost:8080
3993 [21:47:38] <christy> How can I allow remote connection to
that adress ?
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3995 [21:48:00] <nkuttler> christy: make it bind to an external ip
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3997 [21:48:23] <greycat> "channeled on" is a very odd
phrase.
3998 [21:48:32] <christy> Yeah sorry for my english :P
3999 [21:48:58] <greycat> Is the app *listening* on
localhost:8080? Is something else (a client) connecting to
localhost:8080 to retrieve the data?
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4001 [21:50:03] <christy> The app is listening on localhost:8080
yeah.
4002 [21:50:14] <dean> Hi all, anyone having an issue with
importing keys in gnupg 2.1.15-4? It just hangs.
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4004 [21:50:30] <greycat> Tell the app to listen on 0.0.0.0:8080
instead.
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4009 [21:50:58] <nkuttler> !tell dean about debian-next
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4011 [21:51:21] <afernandez_> hello, i sthere a command that show
me the time the server was ofline between reboots?
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4013 [21:51:46] <christy> Will I be able to access it through
<ipv4 machine adress>:8080 from any other machine ?
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4015 [21:51:52] <keltim> afernandez_, last
4016 [21:52:01] <greycat> christy: if it's listening on
0.0.0.0 (aka *), yes.
4017 [21:52:13] <nkuttler> afernandez_: do you mean when the
interfaces were brought down/up again?
4018 [21:52:18] <afernandez_> Thank you keltim
4019 [21:52:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and if it's not behind a
NAT or somesuch
4020 [21:52:41] <christy> Will the effect be the same if I replace
0.0.0.0 by the actual ipv4
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4022 [21:53:02] <greycat> If you bind to a specific IP address
then it won't listen to localhost (loopback) any more, so that
may NOT be fine.
4023 [21:53:20] <afernandez_> No, nkuttler suppose i shut down the
server now and i come back in 2 hours to boot it again where can i
see that info that th server was down for 2 hours?
4024 [21:53:54] <afernandez_> I dont think last is what i am
looking for
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4029 [21:54:29] <greycat> afernandez_: there really isn't any
way to know when your machine was powered off, because by definition
it's not DOING anything (writing a log) during that time.
4030 [21:54:42] <th0r> I wonder if inverting uptime would give you
downtime :)
4031 [21:54:44] <greycat> afernandez_: the best you can do is find
the LAST moment it did something (wrote a log, etc.)
4032 [21:54:56] <figiel> afernandez_: you can take a look at
journactl --list-boots output.
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4034 [21:55:24] <christy> greycat: Perfect. I'll keep you
updated
4035 [21:55:40] <afernandez_> Thank you guys
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4052 [22:03:33] <hassoon> anyone knows of some piece of software
allowing one to make a moving avatar around the screen out of an
animated gif image ?
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4054 [22:03:44] <hassoon> for example i want that image to move
around the screen
replaced-url
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4057 [22:04:01] <hassoon> can't really be so specific with
google and google this up
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4061 [22:05:04] <greycat> like xroach but with a custom image...?
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4063 [22:05:17] <greycat> (No, I don't know an answer.)
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4065 [22:05:46] <hassoon> greycat: can't find xroach in the
repositories
4066 [22:05:50] <hassoon> what about it :o
4067 [22:06:12] <greycat> Oh, man. xroach isn't packaged? :(
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4070 [22:06:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> must be
4071 [22:07:13] <hassoon> greycat: yep apt-cache search xroach
returns nothing
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4074 [22:07:18] <greycat> judd, file bin/xroach
4075 [22:07:22] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
4076 [22:07:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> hm, no, but xsnow is
4077 [22:07:44] <r00tobo> guys, is there anyway to commit the
patched kernel without restarting?
4078 [22:07:53] <Hello71> kexec.
4079 [22:07:58] <hassoon> greycat: you mean that moving-cat avatar
software ?
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4081 [22:08:18] <greycat> here's a description:
replaced-url
4082 [22:08:19] <r00tobo> I got the new patched kernel, does that
require a reboot?
4083 [22:08:28] <Hello71> are you going to keep asking
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4085 [22:08:48] <afernandez_> ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4086 [22:08:56] <r00tobo> someone told me that I have to reboot...
Hello71 sorry this is my last question
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4090 [22:10:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> but what bit about
"reboot" is unclear?
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4092 [22:11:06] <bezaban> r00tobo: yes.
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4094 [22:11:33] <bezaban> Hello71: you're not helping
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4096 [22:11:52] <Hello71> [20:07:53] < Hello71> kexec.
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4098 [22:11:57] <Hello71> technically not reboot
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4100 [22:12:08] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and in fact not even enabled
4101 [22:12:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, kexec
4102 [22:12:13] <dpkg> kexec allows the system to load a kernel
from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and
bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, «dpkg-reconfigure
kexec-tools» or uninstall with «apt-get remove
kexec-tools». To skip using kexec once:
«/sbin/coldreboot». kexec is not enabled by default
since kexec-tools 1:2.0.3-2.
4103 [22:12:45] <christy> greycat: Do you know anything about
Google App Engine for Python ? By default an app using it is
listening on localhost:8080 but I don't see the file able to
modify this address to 0.0.0.0:8080
4104 [22:12:48] <hassoon> greycat: it's pretty doable in KDE
using the Picture widget, but i'm on i3 and i thought of doing
it here
4105 [22:12:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and in praxis not any useful
difference from a reboot, except in some rare corner cases
4106 [22:12:57] * hassoon switches to KDE anyway
4107 [22:12:58] <hassoon> :D
4108 [22:12:59] <Hello71> I'm pretty sure that's about
*automatically* using kexec.
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4110 [22:13:46] <figiel> hassoon: using what's available in
Debian or some 3rd party packages, if may I ask?
4111 [22:13:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> maybe
4112 [22:14:07] <figiel> I wonder what's the best user
experience available with Debian.
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4116 [22:14:49] <bezaban> figiel: that is highly subjective, have
you tried kde and gnome?
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4121 [22:15:38] <hassoon> figiel: ultimately what's available
in debian
4122 [22:15:41] <hassoon> :D
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4125 [22:15:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> figiel, install it on hardware
that can be fully run with open source sw, stick with stable and
don't use any crappy packages from outside… (and only a
few if any backports) … spend 2 years without any work,
upgrade without problems to next version
4126 [22:15:50] <greycat> Every user is different. Use whatever
you like.
4127 [22:15:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> :D
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4129 [22:16:19] <hassoon> figiel: i feel like i'm
disrespecting Debian if use some external 3rd party software
4130 [22:16:23] <figiel> CuteMeOwnThroat: yeah that's the
approach I took.
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4134 [22:17:01] <figiel> But when looking at the kde.org I get
impression that if I use KDE I'd be somehow behind
4135 [22:17:14] <figiel> what's available out there.
It's tempting to just try new plasma out.
4136 [22:17:15] <greycat> third party *packages* should be used
with extreme caution, but third party *software* in general, which
is not packaged as a .deb, is usually fine
4137 [22:17:54] <hassoon> greycat: well..software is a mere
package file anyway :D
4138 [22:17:59] <hassoon> before it gets installed
4139 [22:18:03] <figiel> (overall I'm sitting with LXDE for
quite a while now ;-) but have a feeling that I'm missing
something out ;] and it's probably not how Debian is meant to
be used)
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4141 [22:18:21] <greycat> Debian is not "meant" to be
anything. It's up to you to make it how you like it.
4142 [22:18:32] <greycat> I use fvwm. Some people use GNOME, some
use KDE, some use i3, etc.
4143 [22:18:40] <hassoon> and meh, kde's picture widget shows
up a fixed .gif image, rather than an animated one
4144 [22:18:46] <cluelessperson> hey guys, how do I set DPKG to
log verbosely?
4145 [22:18:58] <cluelessperson> we have a problem at work and
dpkg seems to be the dead end right now
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4149 [22:20:10] <r00tobo> Ok, thank you Hello71 ;)
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4153 [22:21:15] <cluelessperson> hello?
4154 [22:21:22] <CuteMeOwnThroat> cluelessperson, what is the
problem? ( dpkg -Dh for debug help )
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4157 [22:22:56] <cluelessperson> CuteMeOwnThroat, I need to modify
/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cnf to have a default verbose mode, but I can't
find any reference for it.
4158 [22:23:22] <greycat> What verbose mode? What do you expect it
to DO? What information are you MISSING right now? What problem are
you trying to SOLVE?
4159 [22:23:28] <cluelessperson> it's probably "debug
400"
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4161 [22:23:48] <cluelessperson> greycat, dpkg hangs for 10
minutes while installing a work built package, and I need to know
why.
4162 [22:23:56] <greycat> strace -f
4163 [22:24:02] <cluelessperson> greycat, what is that?
4164 [22:24:24] <greycat> strace -f -o /tmp/reallybiglog dpkg -i
foobar.deb
4165 [22:24:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> strace -f dpkg -i
yourpackage-deb
4166 [22:24:35] <cluelessperson> What does that do?
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4168 [22:24:39] <greycat> man strace
4169 [22:25:23] <cluelessperson> greycat, the problem here is that
the installation is handled by FAI (fully automatic installation),
and it handles a BUNCH of things at a time
4170 [22:25:37] <greycat> So edit the fuckers.
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4174 [22:26:09] <greycat> If you're convinced you know WHICH
package it's taking a lot of time on, you can put debugging
stuff into its preinst, postinst, etc. scripts.
4175 [22:26:34] <greycat> If nothing else, just knowing *which*
script has been launched at what moment of time is helpful.
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4184 [22:29:32] <CuteMeOwnThroat> surely you must have a test
system where you can run the install interactively?
4185 [22:29:43] <cluelessperson> CuteMeOwnThroat, it doesn't
appear there.
4186 [22:29:50] <cluelessperson> it seems to be environmental
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4190 [22:30:58] <cluelessperson> strace -f fai -N softupdate | tee
log_everything
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4192 [22:31:30] <greycat> You really want strace -o /tmp/something
4193 [22:31:44] <greycat> No sense clogging up the screen with
that stuff.
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4197 [22:32:56] <cluelessperson> greycat, So what would be
displayed on screen? waiting 20 minutes for the cursor to move?
4198 [22:33:13] <`Kevin> dig through the file while its writing
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4200 [22:33:20] <greycat> Have you not ever run strace before? Try
this: strace sleep 1
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4202 [22:33:48] <cluelessperson> greycat, that's a WHOLE lot
of output.
4203 [22:34:01] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah
4204 [22:34:07] <greycat> Yes. You can also filter it, but for
starters it's helpful to see a lot.
4205 [22:34:27] <cluelessperson> greycat, That's.. too much
output, can we reduce it down a bit?
4206 [22:34:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you want to see what it prints
while it hangs
4207 [22:34:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> then you can select
4208 [22:35:03] <cluelessperson> I see.
4209 [22:35:04] <`Kevin> for strace id also suggest using -tt to
get an idea of time spent but yes please look over the man page as
previously stated
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4217 [22:40:11] <cluelessperson> strace is telling me command not
found
4218 [22:41:23] <greycat> Install it.
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4221 [22:42:15] <cluelessperson> greycat, I mean, it's saying
the command I'm trying to run through it is not found.
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4223 [22:42:36] <cluelessperson> strace "/usr/sbin/fai -N
softupdate" returns command not found.
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4225 [22:42:44] <greycat> STOP QUOTING IT
4226 [22:42:57] <Hello71> lol
4227 [22:42:59] <cluelessperson> it's an argument, no quote?
4228 [22:43:04] <greycat> ~$ "/bin/ls /etc"
4229 [22:43:04] <greycat> bash: /bin/ls /etc: No such file or
directory
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4232 [22:43:38] <Hello71> heh, took me a while to figure out why
it's "No such file or directory" instead of
"command not found"
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4234 [22:44:23] <cluelessperson> strace -tt -f -o log_everything
fai -N softupdate
4235 [22:44:36] <cluelessperson> there is nothing inside the file
log_everything
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4238 [22:46:33] <cluelessperson> greycat, nothing is being output
to the log file?
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4242 [22:47:39] <cluelessperson> nevermind, my coworker changed
something, found it
4243 [22:47:40] <cluelessperson> christ
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4248 [22:50:39] <cluelessperson> greycat, Thanks for the help.
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4271 [22:59:56] <cluelessperson> greycat, the test server is
inaccessible once users log out now, weird
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4297 [23:07:53] <bolt> Someone must know this... the manual for
pam_localuser has an example using the module with the
"sufficient" control, however the manual for pam.d states
that "A failure of a sufficient module is ignored and
processing of the PAM module stack continues unaffected.". So
how does that example enforce local users as it says?
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4304 [23:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: What it means is that if
localuser modue does not return autorization, other methods will be
tried.
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4306 [23:13:00] <jhutchins_wk> If it succeeds, no further
authorization is required.
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4308 [23:15:04] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: so the example is broken?
"Add the following line to /etc/pam.d/su to allow only local
users in group wheel to use su." => "account sufficient
pam_localuser.so" "account required pam_wheel.so"
4309 [23:15:28] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: this looks like it will
perfectly well accept local users that aren't in the wheel
group
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4311 [23:16:07] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: That says
"required", not "sufficient".
4312 [23:16:29] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: pam_localuser says sufficient
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4314 [23:16:51] <jhutchins_wk> right, and it goes on to check
pam_wheel, which says "restrict access to su".
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4317 [23:17:19] <jhutchins_wk> So localusers can log in, but only
wheel member can use su.
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4322 [23:17:50] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: Also: try it and see what it
does.
4323 [23:18:00] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: i am confused... the way i
read this, if a non-local user attempts this, localuser will fail,
but it will proceed and find the user is in wheel, and succeed
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4325 [23:18:50] <bolt> also, "sufficient" is supposed to
return immediately, so you shouldn't have to be in wheel if
you're local
4326 [23:18:57] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: It's possible for
someone to not be a localuser but have su privileges if there is
another auth mechanism.
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4331 [23:19:44] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: The explanation is a little
deeper than I can make here, but different modules do different
things, as do diiferent config files.
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4334 [23:20:54] <tryoo> hey
4335 [23:21:20] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: it's just confusing when
the documentation says "sufficient" will "returns
success to the application or to the superior PAM stack immediately
without calling any further modules in the stack", that is will
still somehow check the wheel module
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4337 [23:21:37] <bolt> so that's only true in some cases,
then
4338 [23:21:45] * bolt tries reading some more...
4339 [23:22:02] <tryoo> I wanna re-qualify from python programmer
to linux sysadmin (in the nearest future). I got some basic
linux/bash skills, however I'd like to widen my knowledge.
Could you recmmmend me any good book/online tutorial/whatever
related to linux sysadmin?
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4341 [23:22:16] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: It sets auth to success, but
still checks other privileges. It does not do further auth checks.
4342 [23:22:47] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: Yes, definitely more reading
if you want to understand pam, my explanations may contain errors.
4343 [23:23:08] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: It's been a couple of
years since I last dug around in pam.
4344 [23:23:08] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: thanks :)
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4349 [23:23:55] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: I believe we were securing
sftp users from logging in, and the methodology changed.
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4360 [23:29:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bolt, if you try that example
out, say what you got… it feels like I come in contact with
pam about every decade or so and then find it confusing as
well… I think it's probably not really so difficult,
just needs some getting used to (which doesn't help if you need
to deal with it only every 1-2 years)
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4372 [23:33:38] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, not really, if you
aren't much more specific… debian has its own
docs… maybe have a look around
replaced-url
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4375 [23:33:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> possibly Administrator's
Handbook or the Debian Reference
4376 [23:34:11] <tryoo> CuteMeOwnThroat: well, the main problems
is that I'm not sure what would fit for sysadmin position
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4379 [23:35:22] <tryoo> CuteMeOwnThroat: do you mean this one:
replaced-url
4380 [23:35:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> part of what I do now is
this… but I just used linux on a desktop for 15 years, did
this, read that man-page, googled that… stuff just
accumulates.
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4382 [23:36:21] <tryoo> yeah, but I'm not sure what to
google. Which tasks should I focus on in the sysadmin field?
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4384 [23:36:44] <CuteMeOwnThroat> You can probably do a lot of any
needed scripting stuff very well in python.
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4387 [23:37:14] <tryoo> yeah, I guess so, but still I wanna
improve my linux/bash knowledge
4388 [23:37:27] <bolt> CuteMeOwnThroat: i will. your name got a
whole lot cuter lately, btw :)
4389 [23:37:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bolt, yeah… I get cute on
netsplits
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4393 [23:38:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, well… probably
debugging in the most general sense of the word
4394 [23:40:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, maybe have a look at
common bash scripting mistakes on
replaced-url
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4396 [23:40:17] <tryoo> I'm already familiar with this link
:)
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4399 [23:42:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if you understand everything
that's said there (i.e why things fail), I don't know if
there's so much more to read… nothing a short search in
man bash cannot answer?
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4406 [23:44:38] <tryoo> CuteMeOwnThroat: I have 0 syadmin
experience and I guess, that sysadmin is not all about bash, right?
Like I have no idea what should I expect while working as sysadmin
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4411 [23:45:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, but if it's as
general and unspecific as this, the answer probably is "seeing
problems, figuring out what causes them and fixing them" :P
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4416 [23:46:57] <tryoo> yeah, then I probably should have asked:
is there any recommended excercises for wanna-be sysadmins, to see,
if I see problems and find a way to fix ghem :)
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4418 [23:47:00] <tryoo> *them
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4421 [23:47:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> heh
4422 [23:47:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sure… run sid :P
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4426 [23:48:41] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: The Linux System
Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource:
replaced-url
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4428 [23:49:04] <tryoo> jhutchins_wk: looks perfect :)
4429 [23:49:07] <tryoo> thx
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4433 [23:50:33] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: You might look at
certification guides for things like RedHat - they'll tell you
what each module is supposed to teach, you can go mess with it.
4434 [23:50:33] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and yeah…
replaced-url
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4436 [23:51:05] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: The SAG is a little bit old
and Red-Hattish, but still a good way to learn.
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4440 [23:51:42] <tryoo> the SAG? What's that?
4441 [23:51:51] <jhutchins_wk> System Administrators Guide
4442 [23:51:54] <tryoo> ahh, ok
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4445 [23:52:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no systemd for you then, young
man
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4447 [23:52:32] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: Learning one of the RPM
based distros would be a good idea too. See both ways of doing
things.
4448 [23:53:04] <tryoo> yeah, sure, I'm not 100%-debian
focused :)
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4451 [23:53:45] <jhutchins_wk> I prefer it myself, but I cut my
teeth on RedHat and have used it or CentOS is pretty much all my
professional positions.
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4459 [23:55:04] <CuteMeOwnThroat> well, not too thrilled there
replaced-url
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4462 [23:55:19] <tryoo> ;]
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4465 [23:56:14] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, poking around a little
bit in everything you see in /var/log is a good idea, also call
dmesg at least once… both of those may or may not be replaced
by journalctl since systemd
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4471 [23:57:27] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: It's a good goal to
look at ps ax and figure out why every item there is running.
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4473 [23:57:53] <tryoo> nice ideas!
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