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6[00:04:19] <DeathTickle> Hi I'm puzzled by a debian packaging weirdness. I have this bug involving lxcfs (replaced-url
7[00:04:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
8[00:05:12] <DeathTickle> I confirmed this on the tracker (replaced-url
9[00:05:32] <somiaj> DeathTickle: stretch is a (mostly) frozen system. As such packages will not migrate into stretch.
10[00:05:59] <somiaj> only grave bugs and security fixes get put into stretch, and these enter stretch via security or point releases, which is not the same process as standard update.
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13[00:06:30] <somiaj> So this is normal, that a bug gets fixed in testing/sid, but the bug remains in stretch (and will remain) unless it is considered grave enough to backport to the frozen version in stretch.
14[00:07:05] <DeathTickle> somiaj: yes, I was wondering if that source package had been submitted in time to be included in stretch as it was only 2 months after the original version
15[00:07:26] <somiaj> ,v lxcfs
16[00:07:27] <judd> Package: lxcfs on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.7-1; buster: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1
17[00:07:50] <DeathTickle> and testing got an even newer version. So 2.0.7-2 is just wasted.
18[00:08:04] <somiaj> nope, stretch froze with 2.0.7-1 and that fix wasn't able to make it in. You will have to backport a newer version if needed.
19[00:08:15] <somiaj> well 2.0.7-2 was there until a new upstream was released
20[00:08:29] <DeathTickle> there in testing
21[00:08:30] <somiaj> testing is a moving target, so lots of things get into testing then thrown out by the release
22[00:08:46] <somiaj> correct, but if you want it in stretch, you'll have to backport it from testing yourself
23[00:09:06] <DeathTickle> so should I request an inclusion of 2.0.7-2 in stretch-backports or something ?
24[00:09:40] <somiaj> Unless someone actually creates a package, it won't happen. And most cases it will be 2.0.8-1 from buster that gets backported instead.
25[00:10:04] <somiaj> I'm unsure how one requests a thing. I personally would just make my own backport if it was important.
26[00:10:07] <somiaj> !ssb
27[00:10:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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29[00:10:52] <DeathTickle> yeah, I wouldn't want to build the package
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31[00:12:11] <somiaj> if everything can be built nicely in stretch, it is a fairly painless process (mostly automated)
32[00:12:18] <somiaj> the issue is if any depends can't be satsified in stretch
33[00:12:47] <somiaj> you also might be able to find 2.0.7-2 on snapshot.debian.org and the binary package maybe nice enough still to be installable in stretch.
34[00:13:12] <somiaj> but be careful here, I usually only mention the backport becase this is the safest method unless you really know what you are doing, in which case you most likely won't be asking.
35[00:13:13] <DeathTickle> it looks painless, its more that this isn't a build server I have
36[00:13:34] <somiaj> I use chroots myself for such a thing, then just copy over the resulting .deb's
37[00:13:41] <somiaj> that way I don't have to install the build stuff on the actual server
38[00:14:09] <DeathTickle> thanks I didn't know about the snapshot site
39[00:14:39] <DeathTickle> and hurray it is there
40[00:15:31] <somiaj> be careful, it could be the package won't install nicely in stretch (it was built in sid), but since, as you said it was only 2 months later, it might be just fine
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43[00:15:53] <somiaj> also realize you won't get any security support on that package any more either.
44[00:15:55] <zumba_ad_> hi folks, how do I disable ipv6 in the kernel, most likely in grub?
45[00:16:02] <zumba_ad_> i don't want /etc/sysctl.conf
46[00:16:16] <somiaj> !disable ipv6
47[00:16:16] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
48[00:16:36] <somiaj> note, this is strongly not recommended on modern systems.
49[00:16:49] <zumba_ad_> thanks dpkg
50[00:17:04] <zumba_ad_> I put it like this `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1 splash quiet" `
51[00:17:07] <zumba_ad_> looks good?
52[00:17:15] <DeathTickle> thanks somiaj I realise that. I will try to setup alerts on updates to the package.
53[00:17:29] <zumba_ad_> I update /etc/default/grub
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56[00:19:47] <aloo_shu> in /var/lib/apt/lists, there are some very large files like deb.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_Contents-amd64.lz4 , which purpose do they serve?
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58[00:20:27] <nyov> zumba_ad_: just curious, why _not_ sysctl?
59[00:20:37] <zumba_ad_> :D
60[00:20:49] <zumba_ad_> module
61[00:20:53] <aloo_shu> that is, what are compressed 'content' files, as opposed to 'packages' files
62[00:21:49] <DeathTickle> zumba_ad_: could you explain what you mean by "module" ?
63[00:22:15] <zumba_ad_> i meant kernel module
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65[00:22:54] <zumba_ad_> i guess that if only disabling ipv6 via sysctl, the module still gets load. I just ran lsmod |grep ipv and I only saw version 4
66[00:23:24] <DeathTickle> okay so you don't want the ipv6 kernel module to get loaded
67[00:23:26] <zumba_ad_> I updated grub and restarted. the module isn't loaded anymore. I'll start my testing but not sure if it will work
68[00:23:32] <zumba_ad_> yeah, I don't want
69[00:23:44] <zumba_ad_> but it may not be the culprit and for sure it's not the culprit
70[00:23:51] <zumba_ad_> it's friggin ExpressJS
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73[00:25:29] <DeathTickle> node :-O
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83[00:39:22] <aloo_shu> in /var/lib/apt/lists, there are some very large files like deb.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_Contents-amd64.lz4 , which purpose do they serve?
84[00:39:22] <aloo_shu> that is, what are compressed 'content' files, as opposed to 'packages' files
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89[00:41:16] <rydare> aloo_shu: i'm not 100% sure but i think that's where apt stores the contents of the repository
90[00:41:24] <rydare> i.e. what gets updated when you do apt update
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92[00:43:16] <EdePopede> weird. my copy has 50M, the one in replaced-url
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94[00:44:49] <rydare> EdePopede: it's possible it's storing older versions to
95[00:44:51] <rydare> o
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97[00:44:59] <rydare> but i'm not entirely sure
98[00:45:02] <rydare> this is just my guess
99[00:45:18] <EdePopede> timestamp is the sanme
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103[00:48:23] <EdePopede> hm. liblz4-1:amd64 is installed, but not the tool
104[00:49:23] <aloo_shu> rydare, thx
105[00:50:09] <EdePopede> Successfully decoded 458159900 bytes <-- gzip reports same size for its version and 93% compression ratio
106[00:50:29] <aloo_shu> EdePopede, yeah, just got there, too, xarchiver doesn't open lz4 - esoteric
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108[00:50:59] <EdePopede> ist it the same thing firefox uses for some time now?
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110[00:51:34] <EdePopede> i just became friend with xz (great ratio, but needs all cpu it can get)
111[00:51:43] <nyov> lz4 is more for speed than compression ratio
112[00:51:59] <nyov> like snappy, lzo, and ilk
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114[00:53:58] <aloo_shu> in any case, I'm helped, I understand that a) gzip can handle lz4, , so I can have a look inside, and b) if I'm short for space, these files can probably go
115[00:54:05] <EdePopede> Error 44 : Unrecognized header : file cannot be decoded <-- nope :(
116[00:54:28] <aloo_shu> oh
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119[00:55:06] <nyov> aloo_shu: those files are (I'm reasonably sure) the package-list diffs that apt downloads
120[00:55:26] <EdePopede> aloo_shu: not gzip, i just installed lz4-tool. gzip just told me the size for the .gz version on the repo
121[00:55:33] <nyov> when it hasn't become so far outdated, that it has to refetch the whole stuff
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124[00:56:00] <EdePopede> lines of this format -> etc/X11/app-defaults/URxvt x11/rxvt-unicode,x11/rxvt-unicode-256color,x11/rxvt-unicode-lite
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128[00:56:41] <nyov> so yes, you should be able to kill them and it'll redownload them on the next "apt-get update"
129[00:58:29] <EdePopede> killing also is the correct term to describe the number of packages in a debian distro. a live counter would be a nice thing somewhere.
130[00:58:42] <nyov> replaced-url
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133[00:59:27] <aloo_shu> my debian is avlinux, a personal systemback snapshot, so it will likely be residual - moreover, I manually installed, an installer might not even have copied these files (ts is far pre install)
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142[01:06:27] <dejavou42> I'm trying to run a terminal script as a service, and start the terminal script on boot with init.d The service starts and stops as expected, but I get "cannot open display" when I stdout to a log file
143[01:06:58] <dejavou42> (when booting)
144[01:07:26] <aloo_shu> thx, bye
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147[01:08:45] <EdePopede> dejavou42: not sure if related, but i wanted mplayer to play me a signal from a cron job, had the same error. redirected the standard fd's to /dev/null. maybe your program/script waits for some fd it doesn't get if run like this.
148[01:08:56] <dejavou42> is there a method of Required-Start: that will allow xsession to start first
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153[01:10:34] <dejavou42> EdePopede: I believe this has more to do with the xsession not being started when the the init.d script runs
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163[01:15:41] <EdePopede> i see /etc/rcS.d/S01x11-common and S01lightdm for levels 2-5. and lightdm has a line "# Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs x11-common", maybe a copy could work
164[01:16:17] <jezebel> the latest firefox-esr doesnt look right
165[01:17:41] <EdePopede> not even the version number, is 60, should be 59. optically because of quantum?
166[01:17:51] <dejavou42> I just went crazy and used Required-Start: $ALL, to see if that workss
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169[01:19:00] <EdePopede> "just let's press the black button with the black text below it, what could go wrong?" - i'd say, it won't start, because of some service not being started. correct?
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172[01:21:46] <dejavou42> It won't start because it can't open the display, and I'm trying to check that the display manager is loaded before crossing the other bridges
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174[01:22:22] <jfbourdeau> Are Debian noobies questions allowed here ?
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176[01:22:37] <n4dir> !ask
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178[01:22:46] <n4dir> damnit. jfbourdeau just ask.
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180[01:23:03] <jfbourdeau> Are most debian distros ( not ubuntu ) are always more ressrouces efficient? Most of the time ?
181[01:23:17] <n4dir> compared with ?
182[01:23:24] <jfbourdeau> Getting tgo learn the Debian philosphy vs Ubuntu and other linux based OS
183[01:23:33] <jfbourdeau> let's say Ubuntu distros
184[01:23:33] <jezebel> define resource efficient
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186[01:23:52] <jfbourdeau> Will always or most of the time, Debians distros take less ressources and be faster and more stable ?
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188[01:24:10] <jfbourdeau> Memory, CPU
189[01:24:36] <n4dir> thats a tough question. I have tried quite some distros which are said to be "mean and lean". I haven't found many more efficient than debian installed accordingly (no big desktop environment being the main thing)
190[01:24:56] <jfbourdeau> I played for a while for a Debian based distro, whatever the name and I am amazed on how few memory, CPU it takes compared to one Ubuntu distro I was using...
191[01:25:08] <jezebel> depends what you are doing, linux is what you make of it
192[01:25:11] <n4dir> tiny core linux or slitaz or such are really easy on ressources, but i am not sure if i would want to use them on a daily basis
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194[01:25:36] <jfbourdeau> Tks I understand...
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197[01:26:21] <n4dir> say: if you really like ubuntu, then use that and try to configure it more resource friendly. Makes sense too?
198[01:26:26] <EdePopede> jfbourdeau: old story from many yeara ago. as relatively noob running S.u.S.E. i wan KDE but was not sure about MySQL as backend for whatever (512MB RAM, P3-500). then i installed it and could see no difference in performance. it still was kde which needed lots of ram and ressources...
199[01:27:11] <jfbourdeau> tks EdePopede
200[01:27:29] <n4dir> these days a modern web-browser easily uses more than a desktop environment, it seems ... well: to me the web-browser is the biggest problem.
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202[01:27:48] <jfbourdeau> I agree n4dir
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205[01:28:08] <n4dir> fooling around with netsurf as a browser. not that much fun either ...
206[01:28:25] <EdePopede> electron ftw!
207[01:28:31] <jfbourdeau> challenge is that I discover some old " So fast " web browser but they can display most of websites properly
208[01:28:48] <jfbourdeau> they Can't
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210[01:28:52] <jfbourdeau> sorry typos
211[01:28:54] <n4dir> yup.
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213[01:29:15] <n4dir> yup -> similar problems here.
214[01:29:28] <EdePopede> html5+css3 is quite a challenge for the engine
215[01:29:34] <jfbourdeau> so some of your guys, using linux and Debian for a long time, what are you using ? Opera ? Brave ? Chrome ? Firefox ?
216[01:30:12] <jfbourdeau> most people use Chrome, FireFox... But me I like opera ( based on chrome I think)... ON Ubuntu I was using brave and FireFox
217[01:30:23] <n4dir> from what i hear chromium and firefox seem to be the most used ones.
218[01:30:32] <EdePopede> opera is older than chrome
219[01:30:38] <jfbourdeau> 19h30 Pm here in Canada... IN case some of your are in the middle of the night LOL
220[01:30:46] <jfbourdeau> ok tks n4dir
221[01:30:51] * EdePopede remembers it when it used to be shareware with a ad window in the border
222[01:31:18] <aloo_shu> qupzilla2 is worth a look among the outsiders
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224[01:31:37] <jfbourdeau> I am new to irc... What about the * comment for EdePopede ? Who do you to that ( some reply irc thing) LOL
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226[01:32:30] <EdePopede> jfbourdeau: some things simply don't feel right if the sentence begins with "I ...". you then start with /me btw
227[01:32:32] <n4dir> found a short list, found qupzilla there too (on this powerppc all of them crash, but might be worth on the PC or laptop): replaced-url
228[01:32:36] <jfbourdeau> I am using xChat on Debian Wheezy... I know I know... but updated up to 4 month ago with security patches
229[01:33:27] <jfbourdeau> EdePopede, you meen I sound like Me, Myself and I ?
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231[01:33:37] <EdePopede> jfbourdeau: 2 tips. 1) switch to hexchat (xchat is dead, thanks to everyone who contributed, but life goes on). 2) did you think to fix your away thing? ;)
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233[01:34:07] <jfbourdeau> I know i know about the Away thing LOL JaJaJa MDR
234[01:34:19] <n4dir> you type: /me is wondering how irc works; the result will be "***jfbourdeau is wondering how irc works"
235[01:34:20] <jfbourdeau> tks for hexchat
236[01:34:26] <EdePopede> jfbourdeau, no... only using the 3rd form sometimes feels better. no idea why, semantics, style, whatever :)
237[01:34:37] <jfbourdeau> got it
238[01:34:43] <dejavou42> so, neither $ALL or $local_fs $remote_fs x11-common worked.
239[01:34:58] <dejavou42> stil getting the "can't open display"
240[01:35:09] <EdePopede> did you try the redirection?
241[01:35:11] <n4dir> dejavou42: why not show the script? or tell what it is supposed to do?
242[01:36:00] <EdePopede> and maybe using script(1) between shell and the problematic application would also help
243[01:36:00] * jfbourdeau coming back with hexchat later. TKs for your precious time. I appreciate.
244[01:36:17] * EdePopede waves jfbourdeau goodbye ;)
245[01:36:33] <dejavou42> the init.d script calls another script that runs "lxterminal --command python /home/user/myscript.py
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247[01:37:02] <EdePopede> does lxterminal open?
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249[01:37:22] <dejavou42> no, that's the thing, I keep getting cannot open display
250[01:38:06] <dejavou42> (although it does if I wait for the x session to start and run /etc/init.d/script start)
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253[01:39:08] <n4dir> i wonder why it isn't put into Autostart but used as an init script. And what myscript.py does (probably answers the first question. What do i know ?)
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255[01:39:32] <EdePopede> on the old system i was starting xterm -> screen -> firefox.... under a different user account, i used script(1) because of this iirc
256[01:40:09] <dejavou42> n4dir: autostart was the first thing I tried, but for some strange reason, because I'm using tightvncserver, the python script runs multiple times
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258[01:41:04] <dejavou42> multiple times = twice
259[01:41:30] <dejavou42> as long as I prevented tightvncserver from starting, the script (in autostart) ran only once
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264[01:46:24] <n4dir> just wild guessing: sounds as if the first thing to do is figure out if init-script or autostart makes more sense. But for that the content must be known (i guess).
265[01:46:51] <EdePopede> xterm -e sudo -u $otheruser -i script -c "screen -R -c $HOME/.screenrc" /dev/null -e bash <-- what i used to start screen inside of an xterm in an alien X, maybe it helps
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268[01:47:20] <dejavou42> edePopede - For redirection I currently have > /var/log/service.log 2>&1 to catch the error, not familiar with the script(1)
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270[01:48:52] <EdePopede> found the tip on one of stackexchange's site iirc, has to do sth with the missing access rights to the devices for screen. and it was the first time i heard of it ;)
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277[01:51:31] <dejavou42> n4dir: I would prefer to run it as a service, as I am writing a kiosk style program that should run only one instance at a time. I want to be able to monitor the status of the service running
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279[01:51:49] <dejavou42> (and if it dies, do other stuff)
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282[01:52:50] <Abbott> are there any restrictions on this channel other than requiring to be identified with nickserv?
283[01:53:27] <Abbott> my friend sloppuu keeps getting "unable to msg nick or channel" when he tries to send to the channel
284[01:53:41] <nyov> Is there even a requirement to be authed with nickserv?
285[01:53:58] <nyov> nah, they need to *join* the channel, not message at it
286[01:54:20] <nyov> as in */join #debian*
287[01:54:43] <Abbott> yeah he's in here
288[01:54:46] <nyov> oh
289[01:54:53] <nyov> nvm
290[01:55:42] <EdePopede> lots of bans here, maybe one of them gets him
291[01:55:53] <nyov> well perhaps he should not run his irc client as root
292[01:56:03] <nyov> not sure if there is a check for that
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294[01:56:32] <nyov> but the error message does seem to indicate somehing strange is amiss
295[01:56:36] <nyov> firewall?
296[01:56:47] <Abbott> he said he's gonna reconnect as a user
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302[01:58:28] <sloppuu> test
303[01:58:32] <Abbott> nice
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305[01:59:56] <sloppuu> Im trying to set up 2 monitors, xandr does not recognize them, and makes them both 'default', so i tried to install my AMD drivers but they require XServer to be updated, but my XServer is updated...
306[02:00:05] <sloppuu> what am i doing wrong here?
307[02:00:34] <nyov> what gfx card drivers? radeon/fglrx?
308[02:01:02] <sloppuu> R5 340
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310[02:01:10] <sloppuu> 15.302
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312[02:01:36] <nyov> thats too new for me. would be amdgpu, or not?
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315[02:02:24] <sloppuu> AMD fglrx 15.302
316[02:02:28] <nyov> what AMD drivers did you install? from source of amd website?
317[02:02:34] <sloppuu> yes
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319[02:02:40] <Kelsar> fglrx, wow those are old
320[02:02:44] <nyov> fglrx is gone. I thought
321[02:03:23] <sloppuu> its brand new
322[02:03:31] <sloppuu> i just downloaded them
323[02:03:46] <sloppuu> like this is a brand new build with an Ryzen 5
324[02:03:46] <Kelsar> just because you downloaded something, they are not new
325[02:03:54] <nyov> hm, can you paste the output of `lspci -nn | grep 01:00.0` ?
326[02:04:06] <Kelsar> you want either radeon or amdgpu, not sure. but i am sure fglrx won't work
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328[02:04:51] <sloppuu> okay, ill look for those
329[02:04:54] <sloppuu> thank you
330[02:05:11] <nyov> please give output of `lspci -nn | grep 01:00.0` ?
331[02:05:54] <sloppuu> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c)
332[02:06:14] <nyov> oh wait thats wrong of me. err
333[02:06:41] <nyov> need the HW id of that card
334[02:07:05] <nyov> lspci -nn | grep VGA
335[02:07:06] <nyov> ?
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337[02:07:29] <sloppuu> 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R7 240/340 OEM] [1002:6611]
338[02:07:44] <nyov> thanks
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340[02:08:16] <sloppuu> wow i downloaded the wrong driver
341[02:08:41] <nyov> don't get one from the AMD site anyway
342[02:08:49] <nyov> you need amdgpu
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344[02:09:27] <nyov> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
345[02:10:35] <nyov> though I'm still on fglrx so I'm not sure if there wasn't a nonfree firmware on-top of amdgpu? anyone?
346[02:10:52] <sloppuu> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu is already the newest version (1.2.0-1+b1).
347[02:10:59] <nyov> good good
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349[02:11:34] <nyov> but xrandr doesn't detect any screens?
350[02:12:07] <sloppuu> "failed to get size of gamma for output default"
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353[02:14:18] <nyov> can't believe I can't remember that bot with the hardware info
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355[02:14:29] <nyov> I've been away too long..
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358[02:18:01] <nyov> ,pciid 1002:6611
359[02:18:03] <judd> [1002:6611] is 'Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R7 240/340 OEM]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also replaced-url
360[02:18:13] <nyov> there it was
361[02:19:06] <nyov> radeon. huh
362[02:19:16] <nyov> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
363[02:19:49] <sloppuu> xserver-xorg-video-radeon is already the newest version (1:7.8.0-1+b1).
364[02:19:57] <nyov> nice.
365[02:20:16] <nyov> dmesg | grep -E 'drm|radeon' | grep -iE 'firmware|microcode'
366[02:20:27] <nyov> any output?
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368[02:21:13] <nyov> just to be sure you can also
369[02:21:19] <nyov> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
370[02:21:26] <nyov> but likely have that also already
371[02:21:48] <sloppuu> E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree
372[02:22:00] <sloppuu> no output from the previous command
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374[02:22:39] <nyov> okay, you need to add non-free to your apt sources.list
375[02:22:58] <nyov> do you have a file /etc/apt/sources.list ?
376[02:23:15] <sloppuu> yes
377[02:23:27] <nyov> or it should be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
378[02:23:46] <nyov> find any 'deb' lines and make sure they end in "main contrib non-free"
379[02:24:10] <nyov> then "apt-get update" and try that nonfree firmware again
380[02:24:34] <nyov> it might be your card is just missing some binary blobs
381[02:25:38] <sloppuu> i have two ending in "main"
382[02:25:50] <sloppuu> should i make them main contrib nonfree?
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384[02:26:38] <nyov> yes
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386[02:27:09] <nyov> that enables downloading the 'nonfree' stuff that isn't free software, and thus not officially supported by debian
387[02:27:21] <nyov> but packaged for convenience
388[02:27:32] <sloppuu> okay sweet. i did that and ran apt-get update
389[02:28:09] <nyov> ok. now see if that firmware will install now
390[02:28:19] <nyov> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri
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392[02:29:19] <sloppuu> Unable to locate package fimrware-linux-nonfree
393[02:29:21] <sloppuu> .....
394[02:29:32] <nyov> did I misspell that? hm
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397[02:30:01] <EdePopede> fimr <-> firm
398[02:30:02] <nyov> what did those two lines in the sources.list actually read?
399[02:30:11] <nyov> oh Thanks!
400[02:30:29] <nyov> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri
401[02:30:40] <sloppuu> deb replaced-url
402[02:30:41] <sloppuu> deb-src replaced-url
403[02:30:43] <sloppuu> deb replaced-url
404[02:30:45] <sloppuu> deb-src replaced-url
405[02:30:47] <sloppuu> y
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408[02:31:06] <nyov> ah yeah. paste is bad
409[02:31:19] <sloppuu> lol yeah
410[02:32:26] <nyov> ok, my readme says having the -ati package installed helps autoconfig. so your install line should read:
411[02:32:29] <nyov> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
412[02:33:17] <sloppuu> it still says it can't locate package firmware-linux-nonfree
413[02:33:31] <nyov> seriously!
414[02:33:35] <nyov> huh
415[02:34:46] <nyov> what does this say: dpkg-query -l firmware-linux-nonfree
416[02:35:13] <sloppuu> no packages found matching firmware-linux-nonfree
417[02:35:34] <nyov> actually, scratch that. try dpkg-query -l 'firmware-*'
418[02:35:46] <nyov> but wth
419[02:35:55] <nyov> (dont paste it pls)
420[02:36:13] <nyov> did that `apt-get update` earlier actually succed?
421[02:36:36] <nyov> perhaps run it again
422[02:36:57] <sloppuu> the dpkg line gave 3 rows of none
423[02:37:01] <EdePopede> sloppuu: you're on 9.5?
424[02:37:18] <sloppuu> the update worked
425[02:37:28] <sloppuu> im 9.5
426[02:37:45] <nyov> apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics
427[02:38:01] <EdePopede> dpkg gives me: un firmware-amd-graphics // un firmware-crystalhd // ii firmware-linux-free 3-5 -- (and i only added some packages i can't live without so far)
428[02:38:02] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, EdePopede
429[02:38:02] <nyov> i just saw i have that one, and it looks to have all the radeon blobs
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431[02:38:10] <EdePopede> \o/
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433[02:38:40] <nyov> EdePopede: you have an amdgpu also?
434[02:38:47] <sloppuu> firmware-amd-graphics is not available but is referenced
435[02:38:57] <nyov> now the plot thickens
436[02:38:57] <sloppuu> no installation canidate
437[02:39:06] <EdePopede> argh... it was 3.4.. and no, nyov, i used to :( have to live with nvidia now
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439[02:39:28] <sloppuu> i shouldv'e just installed gentoo
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441[02:40:24] <nyov> try adding some more sources to your list, from different locales
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443[02:40:48] <nyov> e.g. deb replaced-url
444[02:40:58] <nyov> or something closer to you
445[02:41:24] <nyov> could be a ftp server hickup. though strange it would be
446[02:41:55] <nyov> what's your system arch?
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448[02:42:03] <sloppuu> wait, i had "nonfree" not "non-free", changed it, ran apt-get update and now it's really updating....
449[02:42:10] <nyov> you DO have an "amd64" or not?
450[02:42:15] <nyov> ah, finally
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452[02:42:43] <sloppuu> and now it installed the amd graphics line
453[02:42:44] <nyov> ok, then get 'firmware-linux-nonfree' which should pull the other stuff all in
454[02:43:06] <nyov> then nothing can be missing
455[02:43:11] <nyov> whew
456[02:43:23] <sloppuu> wew indeed
457[02:43:27] <sloppuu> thank god
458[02:43:34] <nyov> now the hard part. you need to shutdown X server, unload radeon, restart X
459[02:43:46] <nyov> or maybe just reboot, if easier
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461[02:44:02] <sloppuu> yeah lemmee reboot. thanks
462[02:44:09] <nyov> then we'll see if it found itself soem firmware
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464[02:44:39] <nyov> on gentoo would have taken a week to get right, btw. xD
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470[02:45:36] <nyov> that I didn't see that typo in the line earlier, myself. ouch
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478[02:47:14] <Kelsar> nyov: no, gentoo would have been easier in that case
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480[02:47:27] <nyov> yeah, I was just throwing a dig ;)
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486[02:48:32] <nyov> I much love gentoo and arch for their useful wikis btw.
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488[02:48:47] <nyov> debian's is only occasionally useful
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498[02:51:04] <dario1> it worked. thank you guys~!
499[02:51:18] <nyov> let's do a performance check?
500[02:51:23] <nyov> glxinfo | grep rendering
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503[02:52:05] <nyov> does it say direct rendering: Yes
504[02:52:08] <dario1> yes
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506[02:52:22] <nyov> ok, fps you can get with
507[02:52:23] <nyov> glxgears -info
508[02:52:39] <nyov> should output nice big numbers for fps
509[02:52:54] <dario1> 72
510[02:53:07] <dario1> settled at around 60
511[02:53:14] <nyov> hm. probably v-synced. but good anyway
512[02:53:35] <nyov> yeah I think you're good now
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514[02:53:53] <dario1> awesome. thanks again!
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516[02:53:57] <nyov> have fun
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528[02:59:31] <holycow> hey guys
529[02:59:36] <nyov> holy cow
530[02:59:39] <nyov> hey
531[02:59:53] <holycow> i just applied the latest debian 9 updates and conkeror web browser stopped working
532[03:00:01] <holycow> anyon else experience the same?
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535[03:00:15] <nyov> stopped working how?
536[03:00:19] <holycow> this is the second machine i have seen this one, the first one i thought i messed something up
537[03:00:50] <holycow> errors out on two javascript ... scripts? / modules? ... whereas it was working fine before the udpates
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539[03:01:25] <holycow> other distros seem to have a solution to it, but it involves installing palemoon and i don't want to track a palemoon package down for debian ... seems like a silly fix anyway.
540[03:01:33] <holycow> silly workaround really
541[03:01:42] <nyov> you mean it starts, and does something?
542[03:02:07] <holycow> no command line throws errors in the terminal, otherwise doesn't start at all
543[03:02:11] <nyov> not a working solution
544[03:02:55] <nyov> what version is it you have? dpkg-query -l 'conkeror'
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546[03:03:14] <nyov> oh debian 9 you said
547[03:03:19] <holycow> 1.0.3
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549[03:04:06] <nyov> can you try downgrading it back? or is the older version no longer available
550[03:04:28] <nyov> that's the first thing I'd try
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552[03:05:36] <holycow> not really possible, it is dependent on firefox to actually run as xulrunner is no longer suported
553[03:05:46] <holycow> would have to downgrade a bunch of things
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555[03:05:59] <nyov> well you didn't upgrade from jessie, or did you?
556[03:06:19] <holycow> no no, it was debian 9 all along
557[03:06:22] <holycow> it was working fine
558[03:06:27] <nyov> current version says 1.0.3+git170123-1
559[03:06:34] <nyov> so an older package. hmm
560[03:06:34] <holycow> it just the latest updated to debian 9 that seem to have broken conkeror compatibility
561[03:06:41] <nyov> try 1.0.3+git171024-1
562[03:06:47] <nyov> replaced-url
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566[03:07:15] <nyov> replaced-url
567[03:07:16] <holycow> fair point actually, i did not actually notice the minor release point change
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569[03:07:27] <nyov> try dpkg -i that package
570[03:07:35] <nyov> and hope it doesn't break any deps
571[03:08:09] <nyov> yeah. sadly if you clean your apt cache you usually can't go back to these previous versions
572[03:08:12] <nyov> they disappear
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574[03:08:19] <holycow> yeah
575[03:08:33] <holycow> i mean i guess i can use firefox or whatnot for now.
576[03:08:37] <nyov> so thank the deb gods for snashot,d.o
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578[03:09:23] <nyov> ok, don't want to try the downgrade. fair enouhg
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580[03:09:35] <nyov> *nuf
581[03:10:21] <nyov> would be useful though to confirm a bug with the update, and file it
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583[03:10:37] <nyov> as I don't see one for that issue
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585[03:11:19] <holycow> nyov: thank you kindly for the assistance. someone just confirmed that the problem is caused by upgrades pushing out firefox 60
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587[03:11:35] <nyov> ok
588[03:11:38] <holycow> i will need to install palemoon browser instead in order to be able to fire up conkeror
589[03:11:41] <holycow> ha!
590[03:11:43] <holycow> i greatly appreciate it
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592[03:12:03] <nyov> you could juwst downgrade the firefox package
593[03:12:06] <nyov> (i would)
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596[03:12:35] <nyov> i so love messing about with debians package cache ;D
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609[03:27:17] <holycow> nyov: :)
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613[03:28:33] <nyov> well it's true.
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616[03:29:18] <nyov> I was so jacked after I just recently replaced the sources.list on 3 ubuntu servers with debian urls, and just cross-graded them
617[03:29:25] <nyov> and they kept running
618[03:29:29] <nyov> no issue :D
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620[03:29:45] <jmaher> firefox used to display a url at the bottom of the screen when i hovered the mouse over a link - can I get this back - what is this called?
621[03:30:19] <nyov> it *used* to be called statusbar. back when it actually was a bar
622[03:30:40] <nyov> are you saying they finally killed that hoverbar completely
623[03:30:50] <nyov> jeeze luise
624[03:31:04] <nyov> what is this world coming to
625[03:31:16] <jmaher> nyov: other people say they still have it but mine doesn't now
626[03:31:34] <EdePopede> jmaher: also looked at the right? when the link is on the bottom left, they move the url away
627[03:31:59] <EdePopede> and it also could be JS preventing it (hail web 2.0)
628[03:32:52] <nyov> there seems to be a hard-core way to restyle it back into being a statusbar: replaced-url
629[03:33:05] <nyov> but that doesn't seem to be your issue
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631[03:33:31] <jmaher> ok - it's still there - firefox is having some disagreement with my window manager about how much vertical space it has....
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633[03:33:59] <EdePopede> lower border out of sight?
634[03:34:21] <jmaher> EdePopede: i did something at random at it seems happy now...
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638[03:34:51] <EdePopede> happens here (xfce) also sometimes, that's why...
639[03:34:52] <nyov> ah don't get me ranting on FF being random. haha
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641[03:35:06] <sZbcE8qNfG_> hello, can someone with NoScript installed go to google.com and tell me if the default setting for google.com is to trust?
642[03:35:27] <jmaher> does anyone know how to get firefox to display the X to close the tabs, even if the tabs are very small....
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644[03:35:40] <jgkamat> sZbcE8qNfG: it is
645[03:35:47] <sZbcE8qNfG_> whew
646[03:35:47] <jgkamat> there's a whitelist unfortunately
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648[03:35:59] <nyov> my best issue is still when all right-click contextmenus and hover menus disappear...
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650[03:36:59] <nyov> aren't the tabs in firefox alway a minimum width? unlike chromium? I don't have an issue finding the x there
651[03:37:02] <EdePopede> nyov: by intervention of scripts? sometimes only C-l works to get out of its reach, not even C-k for the search box -.-
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653[03:37:38] <nyov> EdePopede: completely gone. not from scripts, because I run scriptless by default
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655[03:37:47] <nyov> only some sites get javascript love from me
656[03:37:50] <jmaher> nyov: if I make lots of tabs, the X's eventually disappear except for the active tab, this also happens on chromium
657[03:38:16] <nyov> jmaher: oh they are no longer shown, unless you hover over. true that
658[03:38:44] <jmaher> nyov: i would really like to be able to kill the tabs with one click...
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662[03:39:13] <nimbius> why is it when I copy the debian iso to a USB stick, the partition table shows dos in fdisk and mac in parted?
663[03:39:24] <nimbius> why is no partition known for the data partition using either tool?
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665[03:39:29] <EdePopede> "close tabs to the right"?
666[03:39:35] <nyov> well I have an old version. actually I still run iceweasel so it might no longer be true. But I have an addon "classic theme restorer"
667[03:39:41] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i couldnve sworn google.com was not trusted by default
668[03:40:05] <sZbcE8qNfG_> did some update occur?
669[03:40:07] <nyov> that does pretty much anything under the sun to configure tabs and -bars
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674[03:40:23] <nyov> (and has super-nasty looking source code sadly)
675[03:40:28] <nimbius> the lackluster partition structure of the USB disk prevents proper EFI installation on systems that actually adhere to the EFI standard.
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677[03:41:06] <nyov> jmaher: it also allows to force-show the tab close buttons
678[03:41:11] <nyov> I just checked
679[03:41:26] <nyov> no idea if it's still available for latest firefox though
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682[03:42:09] <jmaher> nyov: sorry - there are a lot of extensions with very similar names, would you mind pasting the exact name of the extension...
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684[03:42:22] <nyov> sure, give me a sec
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686[03:42:30] <nyov> replaced-url
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688[03:43:04] <nyov> oh wait thats the old versions only. click to the latest version
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691[03:44:08] <nyov> Guess it doesn't work with FF60. haha they killed all XPCOM now? RIP
692[03:44:31] <EdePopede> the X should appear even with an appropriate entry to userchrome.css (show not only on :hover)
693[03:44:34] <holycow> yeah that is why conkeror stopped working as well
694[03:45:15] <nyov> well they want to be so much like chrome, they couldn't stand having a superior UI framework
695[03:45:24] <holycow> hahahaha!
696[03:45:31] <holycow> oh man don't get me started on the mozilla foundation
697[03:45:40] <holycow> they make all that cash and the best they can do is firefox
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699[03:46:24] <holycow> check this out: replaced-url
700[03:46:39] <nyov> idontclickgooglelinks
701[03:46:40] <holycow> they rent in the MOST expensive places in the world
702[03:46:49] <holycow> fair enough, you are right
703[03:46:54] <sZbcE8qNfG_> oh shit,d ont click it....its a trojan
704[03:47:00] <sZbcE8qNfG_> its a driveby trojan virus
705[03:47:06] <nyov> but I know what you mean
706[03:47:14] <sZbcE8qNfG_> jk
707[03:47:29] <nyov> we should start a campaign
708[03:47:42] <nyov> I already have the slogan ready
709[03:47:48] <nyov> "Take back the Web!"
710[03:47:59] <holycow> mozilla as an organization needs to be destroyed
711[03:48:18] <rant> pfft, bring back the bbs!
712[03:48:18] <EdePopede> only web 2.0 plz, the old web was a good place
713[03:48:19] <holycow> keep the devs, double their pay and move them somewhere cheap, warm and nice
714[03:48:19] <rant> heh
715[03:48:36] <holycow> bbs ftw!
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717[03:48:54] <holycow> rant: i will order one l33t pls.
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719[03:49:20] <rant> hehus
720[03:49:25] <rant> only if all your base are belong to us
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724[03:51:00] <EdePopede> btw, what is the best bet for old games? qemu?
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727[03:51:28] <holycow> what do you mean old games?
728[03:51:40] <holycow> you wanting to run windows 98 with gpu passthrough?
729[03:51:47] <holycow> which won't work
730[03:51:57] <EdePopede> like might&magic, larry, wing commander... that kind
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733[03:52:06] <nyov> EdePopede: depends what you call old
734[03:52:06] <jgkamat> I use dosbox or wine
735[03:52:13] <nyov> Amiga emulator?
736[03:52:15] <nyov> dosbox?
737[03:52:24] <holycow> what they said *nod*
738[03:52:24] <nyov> nes?
739[03:52:40] <jgkamat> dolphin is magic too
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743[03:53:12] <nyov> replaced-url
744[03:53:17] <nimbius> the debian minimal install image is DOS partition table. this will never boot in an EFI system.
745[03:53:27] <EdePopede> holycow: or if i'd want to run my SE? (XP also available on disk)
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747[03:54:11] <nyov> EdePopede: for everything after win98: playonlinux, WINE
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749[03:54:22] <nyov> i mean why not
750[03:54:44] <holycow> the problem is going to be the drivers. passthrough will only work on newer windows versions if at all and drivers need to support the hardware
751[03:54:47] <holycow> however
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753[03:54:50] <nyov> though might be a bit of hassle compared to a VM
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757[03:55:26] <holycow> hardware was so slow back then you may be just able to use qemu and run it in software ... not sure, most games still look for 3d acceleration
758[03:55:45] <nyov> yeah, but dosbox might be a better fit in that case
759[03:55:58] <holycow> yup
760[03:56:00] <nyov> allowing cpu speed adjustment and such
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764[03:56:58] <holycow> EdePopede: you just give it a try anyway. there is no single answer
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767[03:58:10] <EdePopede> not only one... there's also a (used) lenovo with win10 on it, would be nice to run this one too virtualized if somehow possible
768[03:58:28] <nimbius> replaced-url
769[03:58:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
770[03:58:32] <nimbius> this has been a bug for 4 years :c
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866[06:27:28] <daica> hi guys, when I do grep -r "string search" * > output.file, how do I make it so it won't write the directory and the filename in this output.file?
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868[06:27:51] <daica> So i want it write only the string search...
869[06:29:17] <daica> oh wait
870[06:29:31] <daica> I found the option no-filename lol, I'm all set
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883[06:44:00] <rant> daica: -ho or -oh depending on if you prefer the slutty argument or just the moaning one..
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888[06:53:04] <daica> yup. I got it, thanks Rant.
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978[09:00:41] <pcav___> hi all. I do not understand why if I write something wrong in postgresql.conf, then restart thee service, the status shows active whereas the server is down. thnks for a hint
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980[09:02:50] <rydare> pcav___: i dont know postgresql, but i think it's saying it activated the service, even though the service fails to start
981[09:03:02] <rydare> but i could be wrong, maybe someone will know better
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983[09:05:29] <mpu> Hey, I'm looking for netsurf on testing but cannot find it, any clues what might be happening?
984[09:05:44] <mpu> (i.e., apt search netsurf returns nothing)
985[09:08:40] <oiaohm> pcav___: you are under systemd check out what processes are running in the cgroup and check out the lsof from that cgroup. You might have messed up the port/socket settings.
986[09:09:17] <rydare> mpu, i'm not seeing it in testing
987[09:09:25] <rydare> there's a version in stable and sid though
988[09:09:38] <rydare> I don't know why it's not in testing
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991[09:11:23] <mpu> rydare, does testing have a "version number" or a nickname?
992[09:11:33] <rydare> testing is currently buster
993[09:11:37] <rydare> or rather the other way around
994[09:11:50] <rydare> replaced-url
995[09:12:02] <rydare> looks like the new version introduces a regression, so they removed it from testing
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997[09:13:48] <omarek> Hi how do I download specific .debs to install on another computer?
998[09:14:14] <omarek> My home computer with Debian Buster lost its internet connection. I want to download the packages from before the upgrade.
999[09:14:23] <omarek> I made a list of them.
1000[09:16:06] <oiaohm> rydare: replaced-url
1001[09:16:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1002[09:16:16] <omarek> I can't make senseof the packages.debian.org website.
1003[09:16:31] <mpu> rydare, thanks for looking into this!
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1005[09:20:58] <at0m> omarek: often, these can still be found in /var/cache/apt/archives/
1006[09:22:23] <at0m> omarek: and buster specific support goes on irc.oftc.net/debian-next
1007[09:23:02] <at0m> dpkg: tell omarek about downgrades
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1009[09:24:34] <oiaohm> omarek: You are most likely going about this the hardest way possible. replaced-url
1010[09:25:07] <oiaohm> omarek: the apt wget method allows you to generated a list of urls to be downloaded from what ever the off line configured mirrors are.
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1012[09:25:54] <oiaohm> omarek: packages site and manually solving dependancies is insane amount of work.
1013[09:26:33] <themill> also highly likely that fixing the problem is easier than downgrading
1014[09:27:50] <oiaohm> omarek: you also have replaced-url
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1030[10:01:05] <omarek> at0m: I ran "sudo apt-get autoremove" afterwards and I've already checked the directory. It only contains recent versions.
1031[10:01:53] <themill> removing packages sounds more likely to be the problem than upgrading them
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1034[10:02:43] <pragomer> please have a look a this screenshot: replaced-url
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1036[10:03:37] <pragomer> and how can I solve this?
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1038[10:04:11] <at0m> omarek: apt-get autoremove doesn't remove debs, it suggests to remove auto-installed packages for whiich the package that depended on them is no longer installed
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1041[10:05:10] <jelly> pragomer: where's the output of that command? When you use \ continuations, \ has to be the very last character on the line (not even whitespace after that)
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1043[10:05:56] <at0m> omarek: you can get the list of removed packages (or other changes ) from /var/log/apt/term.log and other /var/log/apt*
1044[10:06:40] <omarek> I've made backups of the history.log, dpkg.log, and the somethingelse.log
1045[10:07:46] <omarek> themill: Can you tell me anything more specific? My internet connection on my main home computer went down and I have limited experience as an admin. I'm a programmer.
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1047[10:08:19] <omarek> It went down sometime after I upgraded a two dozen packages or so.
1048[10:08:21] <jelly> pragomer: which tool or program is this a screenshot of? Some editor?
1049[10:08:57] <themill> omarek: it would be easier to figure out the problem if you could tell us exactly what you actually did. What packages were removed?
1050[10:09:04] <omarek> oiaohm: My internet connection worked after upgrading from stretch to buster. It's only a minor upgrade to roll back.
1051[10:09:38] <omarek> Wait, I'll be back with history.log . I need to copy it on a flash drive.
1052[10:10:19] <pragomer> its gedit
1053[10:10:44] <at0m> omarek: did you read what i had dpkg /msg you on downgrades? also, like themill suggested, it's probably easier to solve the issues you're facing than rolling back. and buster support is on irc.oftc in #debian-next
1054[10:10:45] <themill> pragomer: showing us the problem would be better (and using a pastebin not screenshots is even better still)
1055[10:11:05] <at0m> *irc.oftc.net
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1057[10:11:30] <jelly> !next
1058[10:11:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1059[10:12:40] <omarek> at0m: I have, but it doesn't suggest anything to do, just what not to do.
1060[10:14:29] <at0m> omarek: like, no downgrades. so come over to irc.oftc.net in #debian-next and try to solve your current issues.
1061[10:14:52] <omarek> at0m: How do you know I'm not there?
1062[10:15:31] <at0m> ok there
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1071[10:31:01] <omarek> See ? That channel might be more appropriate, but there's no traffic.
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1073[10:31:42] <themill> omarek: questions don't get answered until they are asked.
1074[10:32:36] <themill> (and detailed answers don't emerge until a detailed question is asked)
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1083[10:43:42] <jelly> omarek: there's a small but not 100% overlap of people. You have to explain your issue in this new different channel again.
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1091[10:52:23] * themill isn't really sure it has been explained at all
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1102[11:07:53] <omarek> It was a bad advice to join that channel.
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1106[11:11:34] <themill> omarek: not at all
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1108[11:12:14] <jelly> omarek: you STILL did not say a thing in there
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1110[11:13:17] <themill> omarek: tbh, I'd be happy to help you here too, but you've also not provided me with any of the information I asked for so that I could help you.
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1113[11:14:34] <jelly> omarek: since OFTC is a separate network, but with the same spam problem, you need to register and identify over there to be able to speak /msg NickServ help register
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1115[11:15:57] <omarek> Ah, so I was shadowbanned!!!
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1117[11:17:11] <omarek> Okay not exactly shadowbanned but the message about not being identified shows in a different tab.
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1125[11:21:24] <themill> feel free to file a bug against your client about that
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1128[11:23:58] <omarek> jelly: do you see my messages now?
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1131[11:25:43] <at0m> omarek: nope , not there :s
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1155[11:54:05] <mixfix41> hey there was a sbc git repo im pretty sure it was just 1.3sbc-1 unmodified but i have a few copies/ or some which reminds me i should diff the files to actually see.. if they were different from git bluetooth/packages/sbc.git but who knows if the repo is gone and i done looked for it pretty well but the packages i built they were ugh working all right just hopefully someones not missing this wonder if
1156[11:54:07] <mixfix41> dongles would make a different compared to this particular arm device bt
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1167[12:02:41] <pldiem> hi, where can I put this 'sudo systemctl restart bluetooth' to run automatically everytime I restart computer?
1168[12:02:48] <pldiem> now I have to do it manually
1169[12:03:01] <pldiem> otherwise bluetooth headset won't work
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1173[12:07:14] <glick> hi
1174[12:07:56] <glick> does anyone recommend a good new laptop that works geat with debian
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1179[12:10:50] <pldiem> glick: I have just ordered lenovo legion y530 with i7-8750h, it's a bugdet one, and I hope it will work well :)
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1182[12:12:51] <glick> wow, nice pldiem
1183[12:13:03] <glick> does that work well with linux?
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1187[12:14:17] <glick> where did you buy it pldiem?
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1190[12:15:49] <pldiem> I found no info about compatibility, but if it won't work I will return it
1191[12:16:23] <pldiem> I ordered it in Poland, so I guess it won't be helpful
1192[12:16:35] <pldiem> what do you want to use it for?
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1194[12:17:57] <glick> heh
1195[12:18:09] <glick> i want to use it fo image pocessing
1196[12:18:17] <glick> darktable
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1199[12:20:06] <pldiem> so I guess it is good to have great cpu for image processing
1200[12:20:18] <pldiem> and gpu as well
1201[12:20:34] <pldiem> but I read that screen isn't to bright
1202[12:20:43] <pldiem> so you might need to use external one
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1204[12:20:58] <LaScoumoune> Hi all actualy i use ifup and that work, but when i "systemctl status networking" i have --> Failed to start Raise network interfaces, i dont understand why because my iface work
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1206[12:21:27] <LaScoumoune> I dont use auto, or mount at boot
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1235[12:53:07] <EdePopede> LaScoumoune: thanks for reminding me, same issue here xD did you check `systemctl status networking.service`?
1236[12:53:23] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede: Yes
1237[12:53:42] <EdePopede> > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2018-09-10 19:30:31 CEST; 4 days ago
1238[12:53:47] <EdePopede> hmm... o...kay? oO
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1240[12:53:58] <LaScoumoune> At the moment i have make a fresh install, i dont know why networking say that
1241[12:57:25] <EdePopede> only kernel upgrade on the 4th what i see so far
1242[13:00:30] <LaScoumoune> 4.9.0-7-amd64
1243[13:00:34] <EdePopede> hm. syslog has some entries for that timestamp --- ifup[349]: Cannot find device "eth0" // dhclient[461]: Failed to get interface index: No such device --- and going on
1244[13:00:45] <LaScoumoune> hum
1245[13:00:51] <LaScoumoune> you use ifup interfaces ?
1246[13:00:54] <EdePopede> 4.9.0-8-amd64 since then
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1248[13:01:20] <EdePopede> didn't changed anything manually and tbh didn't really look into syslogs so far
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1250[13:02:04] <LaScoumoune> yea before i was use 4.8 and all work fine, i have make a fresh install wih 4.9 and i see that with systemctl status networking
1251[13:02:06] <EdePopede> or the netcard wasn't recognized on boot and i tried it manually like this in the shell out of habit
1252[13:02:37] <LaScoumoune> if you dont have auto or hotplug in you're interfaces.d/myinter no
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1254[13:03:39] <LaScoumoune> personaly i have interfaces.d/myinter and if-pre-up.d/myinter-tools
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1262[13:10:21] <EdePopede> i'm still completely out of this.... new init thing
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1266[13:13:35] <EdePopede> just yesterday when i connected my external to the other pc (default settings), xfce paved my desktop with useless shiny icons. all i want is hardware recognition working and i think the internet connection is the only thing i prefer to be set up automatically on boot, so i don't have to check before looking for updates
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1272[13:24:16] <LaScoumoune> i reboot
1273[13:24:22] <EdePopede> good luck
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1277[13:26:34] <EdePopede> after boot, is the kernel version line always the first thing to appear in syslog? or is there maybe another file used even before this one?
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1282[13:29:00] <LaScoumoune> ok i have 4.9.0-8-amd64 now
1283[13:29:14] <LaScoumoune> i think is networking.service
1284[13:29:42] <EdePopede> wb and... no msg anymore?
1285[13:29:55] <LaScoumoune> i do disable it or other, for use only ifup interfaces. I see networking try to at boot
1286[13:30:04] <LaScoumoune> i have always message
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1288[13:30:40] <LaScoumoune> you have autoremove networkmanger ? because lot of conflict with ifup
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1291[13:34:17] <EdePopede> i have `/usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon` in ps with `/sbin/dhclient -d -q -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper` (followed by even more options) as a child process running
1292[13:34:51] <EdePopede> just installed and added some valuable tools and programs to test some things, but no changes on the system so far
1293[13:35:12] <LaScoumoune> you do to disable network manager
1294[13:35:14] <LaScoumoune> and other
1295[13:35:20] <LaScoumoune> juste use wpa_supplicant and ifup
1296[13:35:50] <LaScoumoune> if you want use like me, juste ifup ifdown manualy
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1303[13:41:21] <LaScoumoune> i think its a conlict with networking and ifaces
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1307[13:41:59] <EdePopede> maybe... but before i change things here i want to see what debian is doing and how and why. and as long as it works i don't think i'll touch it.
1308[13:42:13] <EdePopede> but yes, i'd really want to know why the message
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1315[13:52:20] <LaScoumoune> ok i have resolv 1/2 problem
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1325[13:58:25] <LaScoumoune> that work now
1326[13:58:42] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede: if you use like me youreinterface with no auto or hotplug
1327[13:58:59] <LaScoumoune> you do to disable network-manager && networking
1328[14:00:02] * EdePopede wants to stay connected with the world :(
1329[14:00:49] <LaScoumoune> ;)
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1346[14:16:06] <kirk781> I ended up bricking my Debian installation
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1351[14:19:53] <ntd> you don't brick software
1352[14:20:04] <kirk781> ntd, well in a metaphorical sense
1353[14:20:09] <ntd> just as you don't write hardware
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1356[14:20:42] <LaScoumoune> so i see that use only, network.target && systemctl status sys-subsystem-net-devices-mydevice.device
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1358[14:21:19] <LaScoumoune> network.target if i disable it, i dont have my dnsmasq that resolv bug
1359[14:21:46] <LaScoumoune> that what i have with systemctl | grep net
1360[14:22:54] <LaScoumoune> my question is
1361[14:23:21] <kirk781> I am now stuck where the login manager just rebounds to itself
1362[14:23:46] <n4dir> try startx instead?
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1366[14:24:15] <n4dir> or a different display-manager, or a different user ...
1367[14:24:15] <LaScoumoune> is it possible to use the service sys-subsystem-net-devices-mydevice.device, if is up that run a systemd openvpn for creat sys-subsystem-net-devices-tun0device ?
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1369[14:25:20] <kirk781> I tried all of it; changed the login manager, changed the user, even reinstalled a whole DE and xserver-xorg packages, and nothing helped
1370[14:25:28] <EdePopede> LaScoumoune replaced-url
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1372[14:25:56] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede
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1374[14:26:11] <bencc> how can I substitute bold font with regular font?
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1376[14:26:15] <LaScoumoune> just stop networking.service
1377[14:26:34] <bencc> I have this fontconfig for substituting "Calibri Light" with "Carlito" replaced-url
1378[14:26:40] <n4dir> kirk781: and what error messages you get from startx and find in ~/.xsession-errors (or such) and in the X log files
1379[14:26:44] <LaScoumoune> systemctl stop networking && systemctl disable networking && ifup enp2s0
1380[14:26:53] <bencc> I'm trying to substitute "Calibri Light:Bold" with "Carlito:Regulat"
1381[14:27:08] <LaScoumoune> or ifup -vvv enp2s0
1382[14:27:31] <EdePopede> LaScoumoune: i'm afraid to brick up my installation *duck*
1383[14:27:35] <kirk781> ~/.xsession-errors is empty
1384[14:27:36] <LaScoumoune> show me you're /etc/network/interfaces without the line psk
1385[14:27:50] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede im sure
1386[14:28:09] <LaScoumoune> you use dhcp ?
1387[14:28:19] <LaScoumoune> that realy easy to use ifup
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1389[14:29:28] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede networking.service use only if you have auto or hostplug in you're /network/interfaces
1390[14:29:33] <EdePopede> sometimes the eth seems to have problems to wake up, or the init process is too fast, don't know. but nothing new, had that even with wheezy
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1392[14:29:55] <LaScoumoune> you dont have strecht ?
1393[14:30:10] <EdePopede> sure. but the problem is old :)
1394[14:30:12] <nyov> kirk781: dmesg ?
1395[14:30:25] <nyov> perhaps errors are there
1396[14:30:36] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede i dont understand no problem have with ifup and ifdown
1397[14:30:43] <nyov> or otherwise /var/log/syslog
1398[14:30:47] <LaScoumoune> all probleme is network-manager
1399[14:31:06] <n4dir> for problems with X i for one would go with the files i mentioned.
1400[14:31:06] <EdePopede> and yes, lo and eth0 are both set to auto
1401[14:31:26] <LaScoumoune> ok in network/interfaces ?
1402[14:31:34] <nyov> ntd: though login-related errors might be worth looking for in /var/log/auth.log
1403[14:31:49] <LaScoumoune> show me you're /network/interfaces
1404[14:32:14] <nyov> (for PAM related fails)
1405[14:32:16] <LaScoumoune> if you use auto you do you hostplug
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1407[14:32:35] <LaScoumoune> i cant help you with auto and networking.service
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1409[14:32:46] <LaScoumoune> i can just help if you use inet static
1410[14:33:08] <ntd> what?
1411[14:33:19] <nyov> kirk781: you do have *some* kind of console login or not?
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1413[14:34:14] <EdePopede> LaScoumoune: as i said, sometimes the eth0 will not react in time, that's the only real problem i have from time to time after boot. so reboot or ifup or whatever it was, have to check it most of times when it happens, since it is nearly never. and now the message, yes. is added to the TODO check list which gets longer every day :)
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1416[14:35:30] <LaScoumoune> EdePopede yea is it possible
1417[14:35:44] <LaScoumoune> because you use automount at boot !!
1418[14:35:54] <LaScoumoune> and wpa_supplicant if you use dhcp
1419[14:36:06] <LaScoumoune> so that need to maybe 5-8 sec
1420[14:36:37] <LaScoumoune> the systemd networking start after you're boot and that need 5-8 for run wpa-supplicant and other service
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1422[14:37:15] <EdePopede> systemd really could wait until the hardware is ready...
1423[14:37:24] <LaScoumoune> that why the better is use static no auto boot and just use ifup iface with network/if-pre-up.d/iface-tools for use iw cmd
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1425[14:37:30] <EdePopede> but the old init neither did it
1426[14:38:46] <LaScoumoune> you do to choice my friend
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1428[14:38:58] <LaScoumoune> networking or network-manager or interfaces
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1436[14:41:41] <LaScoumoune> what you choice ?
1437[14:43:08] <n4dir> kirk781: i would check ownership of ~/.Xauthority, but iirc ~/.xsession-errors would give an error in that case
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1439[14:44:13] <kirk781> I checked the ownership of xauthority[it was listed as a possible issue in an answer], however, it didn't turn out to be the issue. I haven't checked /var/log/syslog yet though.
1440[14:46:42] <n4dir> startx usually is chatty if it fails. weird it ain't in your case.
1441[14:47:08] <kirk781> startx shows quite a generic error[connection has failed to initialize ]
1442[14:47:51] <n4dir> give up on X and get used to the tty ?
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1445[14:49:28] <kirk781> I will check for errors once more in /var/log/syslog and then give up if the issue isn't resolved. It's much easier to install a distro all over again
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1448[14:51:50] <n4dir> ain't that easy to break debian-stable though.
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1464[15:06:54] <abrotman> anything in interfaces.d ?
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1468[15:09:24] <abrotman> network-manager installed/running?
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1471[15:09:50] <nyov> well, some process or other manipulates your device
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1473[15:10:21] <nyov> not on top of interfaces, but alternative to it perhaps. such as network-manager
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1478[15:19:08] <LaScoumoune> ahah that work !
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1480[15:19:39] <LaScoumoune> ksk thank :D
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1496[15:39:42] <n4dir> /msg dpkg upgrade
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1544[16:29:13] <galex-713> Hi
1545[16:29:21] <galex-713> Can Debian’s firefox install DRM?
1546[16:29:44] <galex-713> I mean, there’s no risk I install them without wanting too by not paying attention?
1547[16:30:04] <galex-713> *unwillingly
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1568[16:42:09] <MrrtDerpson> Should be the same as anyone else's FF package in that respect replaced-url
1569[16:42:13] <MrrtDerpson> Why do you ask?
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1584[16:59:57] <nyov> it doesn't install DRM, it downloads and installs a CDM to decode DRM content. And yes, it's done automatically unless you disable 'drm protected content' completely
1585[17:01:03] <nyov> and it will automatically keep updating adobe primetime/google widevine cdms
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1587[17:03:00] <nyov> actually I misspoke - you can deactive both CDM individually
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1590[17:05:23] <galex-713> nyov: but cdm is sandboxed proprietary software right?
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1592[17:06:03] <galex-713> Isn’t there a free package of firefox that fully disallow the installing of proprietary software this way, or at least that warns that it is proprietary software?
1593[17:06:22] <nyov> yes, it's downloaded from adobe and google respectively, and auto-updated
1594[17:06:22] <galex-713> otherwise users could be mistaken and install it thinking it is free since they’re using debian
1595[17:06:44] <galex-713> what’s the relationship with the fact it comes from adobe and google?
1596[17:07:16] <galex-713> Doesn’t software that automatically installs non-free software or encourage its installation then install it goes to contrib? like playonlinux?
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1598[17:07:19] <nyov> Well, debian stopped policing Firefox when it stopped shipping Iceweasel seperately - my opinion
1599[17:07:37] <galex-713> :(
1600[17:07:44] <galex-713> why did they stop that then? :(
1601[17:07:54] <galex-713> if only iceweasel and icecat joined their efforts
1602[17:07:55] <nyov> it's very hard work to keep managing such a big package
1603[17:08:04] <galex-713> we could have icecat in free and normal firefox in contrib
1604[17:08:11] <galex-713> mmmh okay
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1606[17:08:16] <nyov> is chromium in contrib?
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1608[17:08:25] <nyov> no idea
1609[17:08:28] <galex-713> if chromium do that too it should go there
1610[17:08:34] <galex-713> so it’s akin to admitting they don’t have the forces and ressources to manage it
1611[17:08:43] <galex-713> yet, FSF still continue to try, be it not that perfect
1612[17:08:55] <nyov> that's like trying to keep managing a kernel module out-of-tree, where the kernel changes APi every 6 months
1613[17:09:06] <galex-713> oh yeah I know that
1614[17:09:22] <galex-713> that’s why it’s impossible to truly freeing and updating any pocket computer (aka “smartphones”)
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1616[17:09:28] <nyov> which is perhaps one reason they keep browser packages that big
1617[17:09:33] <nyov> lol
1618[17:09:45] <nyov> you can't overcome that momentum
1619[17:09:52] <galex-713> who keep browser packages that big? what reason?
1620[17:10:09] <galex-713> linux is a such bad kernel indeed :/ but still, that’s not the discussion
1621[17:10:16] <nyov> I mean it's just one big blackbox right? compiled and shipped
1622[17:10:28] <nyov> firefox killed NPAPI plugin support also
1623[17:10:32] <galex-713> (in my mad we should all use some k*bsd and have an api translator from its api to linux’s one)
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1625[17:10:42] <nyov> so no modulr stuff anymore
1626[17:10:45] <nyov> *modular
1627[17:10:57] <galex-713> afaik it’s one big monolithic piece of sandboxed proprietary software
1628[17:11:00] <galex-713> that’s normal
1629[17:11:04] <galex-713> it’s all-or-nothing
1630[17:11:14] <galex-713> and yet
1631[17:11:15] <nyov> sadly. wouldn't have to be this way
1632[17:11:28] <galex-713> we could do something, like we could version it, and lie to it about the current datetime
1633[17:11:32] <galex-713> or stuff like that
1634[17:11:37] <galex-713> disallow it to store informations
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1636[17:11:59] <nyov> ?
1637[17:12:11] <nyov> with what goal?
1638[17:12:14] <galex-713> so that anything readable at instant t can be read for ever
1639[17:12:29] <galex-713> also providing I/O ressources so that to save what it plays
1640[17:12:41] <nyov> oh you mean DRM content
1641[17:13:03] <galex-713> if we save versions of CDM, lie on how fast the time goes, and save its output, that purpose can easily be defeated
1642[17:13:43] <galex-713> But still, it’s as advertisement: if we began to lie about if we watched it or not, if we clicked or not, everything would end falsified and it would just appear that ads as well as DRM are just not realistically possible with free software
1643[17:13:57] <galex-713> sadly people hope they can come to an agreement
1644[17:14:10] <galex-713> so they give up once they failed
1645[17:14:11] <galex-713> :(
1646[17:14:20] <nyov> DRM is always inherently breakable. but ofcourse they try to keep it hard to do so
1647[17:14:34] <galex-713> the question is not if it is inherently breakable
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1649[17:14:37] <galex-713> but how easy it is
1650[17:14:57] <galex-713> if google pays an army of people to renew keys or encryption methods
1651[17:15:10] <galex-713> a team of 10 developers might not be enough to break all of it
1652[17:15:31] <galex-713> just as youtube-dl gave up and now just execute a subset of youtube’s javascript to download videos from there
1653[17:15:52] <galex-713> (would be interesting if there were a debian contrib version of youtube-dl that did that)
1654[17:16:05] <nyov> depends on how sophisticated you're thinking
1655[17:16:11] <nyov> frame-grab a video stream from a render window or audio from the output driver - will always work
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1657[17:16:12] <galex-713> exactely
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1659[17:16:21] <galex-713> and as I said, output from CDM must work
1660[17:16:30] <galex-713> if it only decrypt media stuff
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1662[17:17:07] <galex-713> if that’s more complex, that might be more, but the interface to the OS and user I/O is going to be stable, otherwise it wouldn’t work, except if we allow them to rewrite a proprietary version of pulseaudio each day
1663[17:17:44] <galex-713> so making OS says time is passing a hundred times as fast and saving output from one particular set of program should always work
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1666[17:18:33] <galex-713> (when I says OS it’s not necessarily linux but also libc, gcc, spidermonkey, pulseaudio, xorg, etc.)
1667[17:18:45] <galex-713> (gnome, etc.)
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1684[17:33:22] <Beggar> Firstly I have a non-debian related question, this one: how do I use this "apt://carla-git" repository in debian?
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1689[17:36:01] <Beggar> the debian related one: What is the color of the underwear that themill is using right now?
1690[17:36:10] <Beggar> that's it.
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1696[17:39:32] <lovepopsickle> anyone used aa-exec -p /path/to/profile with apparmor? I keep getting that is not a profile error but it is a profile
1697[17:40:19] <lovepopsickle> i thought aa-exec would do something similar like firejail --profile= and read a profile on execute on the fly for that terminal situation
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1700[17:51:18] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
1701[17:51:19] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-security: 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; sid: 60.2.0esr-1
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1703[17:51:34] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
1704[17:51:35] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc3-686 (4.19~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1);
1705[17:51:36] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1707[17:53:04] <NetTerminalGene> how does firefox 60 works without rust in stretch?
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1709[17:54:39] <nyov> Beggar: is that apt-url not linking a package? where is there repository info there?
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1712[17:56:20] <Beggar> nyov I just got this from replaced-url
1713[17:56:34] <Beggar> In other words, I do not know what to do with this one.
1714[17:57:05] <hexhaxtron> I removed MariaDB to install nagios and now I lost all the databases. Can I copy /var/lib/mysql-10.2/* to /var/lib/mysql/?
1715[17:57:10] <nyov> apt: short-links usually just link to a package, of whatever system repository is enabled. stupid idea IMO
1716[17:58:23] <nyov> Beggar: the link says "(via KXStudio repositories)"
1717[17:58:33] <nyov> so you'll need those in your sources.list
1718[17:58:50] <Beggar> nyov, what is the protocol for apt::? I have tried wget, the soruces.list and does not worked
1719[17:58:50] <nyov> replaced-url
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1721[17:59:08] <nyov> just add those sources, the apt-get install carla-git
1722[17:59:12] <nyov> *then
1723[18:00:00] <nyov> "apt:" links, when added to the browser, would just open synaptic ot some other package manager
1724[18:00:09] <Beggar> aaaaaaaa
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1726[18:00:18] <RoyK> !carla-git
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1728[18:00:47] <Beggar> got it, so the apt:: is like those junk links used in skype where you click on it and it open skype and call for that number, or like email in html.
1729[18:00:57] <Beggar> Thank you nyov!
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1731[18:01:11] <nyov> you're welcome
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1733[18:05:07] <Beggar> I will end up compiling the sources, as far as I hate using nom-official repositóries mainly when they need apt-trasnport-xxxxx
1734[18:05:48] <Beggar> but at least it can be tested in a live debian.
1735[18:06:04] <Beggar> thanks again for the help \o
1736[18:06:28] <at0m> Beggar: yes, there's also such a "junk link" for irc, irc:// or ircs://chat.freenode.net/debian links here
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1739[18:07:02] <at0m> not sure what the proper term is. URI in general?
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1749[18:19:51] <NetTerminalGene> is there newest mesa in stretch backports? what is the name of the mesa package ?
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1759[18:33:30] <EdePopede> URI seems to be the broadest one, but even w3c needed a doc for it: replaced-url
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1763[18:36:37] <EdePopede> just installed webfs (no dependencies), things were set up, daemon started. listening to the world now, what i usually don't like if i'm not asked in advance. checked with a webservice, yes, the port is open, but even local connection on the ip:port is refused. and i am confused. not even an entry in the log file on the connection attempts. what's the situation? does systemd protect this this thing somehow?
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1766[18:40:59] <tsuggs> Hi, I've upgraded seahorse in testing and now all my keyrings appear blank. Anyone else encountering this?
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1769[18:43:55] <tsuggs> All keyrings, for reference.
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1782[18:56:23] <T3RM1N41> You may have to reimport them
1783[18:56:45] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: libgl1-mesa-dri is the main package
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1786[18:58:27] <tsuggs> T3RM1N41: Yeah, I'll either be doing that or converting it to another password manager today I suppose
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1788[18:59:12] <tsuggs> since firefox doesnt have a plugin to integrate with gnome keyring most of this doesnt really need to be in there
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1798[19:03:23] <rafalcpp> how to temporarly try newer/newest kernel, without building it? and also newest version of one driver (module, I know package where it is in)
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1801[19:07:01] <jelly> rafalcpp: if you're on stretch, you can get kernel (and matching firmware) from stretch-backports
1802[19:07:23] <jelly> !bdo kernel
1803[19:07:23] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
1804[19:07:24] <ZitZ> hello, when i switch to tty and back to kde plasma, the color is buggy, it reverts to a messed up 24 color or something
1805[19:07:40] <ZitZ> is anyone aware of ongoing transitions in sid or bugs that would cause this?
1806[19:08:07] <jelly> ZitZ: if you're on sid,
1807[19:08:11] <jelly> !debian-next
1808[19:08:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1809[19:09:22] <ZitZ> jelly: thank you!
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1811[19:10:16] <jelly> ZitZ: sadly to talk in there you need to get an account on OFTC. /msg NickServ help register
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1814[19:10:51] <nyov> ah, that is why Freenode #debian picked up so much
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1816[19:12:04] <nyov> used to be more action on the OFTC channel, iirc
1817[19:12:08] <jelly> you also need an account to talk in here, it's just a freenode account
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1819[19:13:13] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, if i install this package will i have latest mesa? replaced-url
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1821[19:14:10] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: you will have newer mesa than what's in stretch. Probably not the latest, because upstream releases relatively often
1822[19:14:23] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
1823[19:14:24] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.1.6-1~bpo9+1; buster: 18.1.7-1; sid: 18.1.8-1; experimental: 18.2.0-1
1824[19:14:29] <NetTerminalGene> that's enough for me thanks
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1827[19:15:44] <NetTerminalGene> so, i will upgrade kernel and install latest mesa and i am to go :D
1828[19:15:55] <NetTerminalGene> because supertuxcart doesn't work well
1829[19:16:13] <NetTerminalGene> supertuxkart*
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1840[19:24:35] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, gnome animation is laggy for me. if i install that mesa package, would it fix?
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1842[19:27:30] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: I don't have any experience with modern Gnome, perhaps, perhaps not
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1846[19:28:51] <rafalcpp> how to tune Debian for max performance (including networking)?
1847[19:28:59] <rafalcpp> e.g. afair redhat has custom scripts for that
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1849[19:29:56] <rafalcpp> why there is linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and .bpo.3 ?
1850[19:31:31] <rafalcpp> ok so bpo is "backported", and the 3 is a bit newer, and 1 a bit more stable?
1851[19:32:54] <RoyK> probably worls
1852[19:32:57] <RoyK> works
1853[19:33:29] <RoyK> but if you want automatic upggrades or things like that, tick to those in stable
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1869[19:43:59] <rafalcpp> jelly: that factoid is incorrect, << aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))' >> doesn't work, probably due to the more detailed long name of it
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1871[19:44:25] <rafalcpp> no wait..
1872[19:44:59] <rafalcpp> ah, it has other meaning of "virtual" packages when "-t" ... ok
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1907[20:10:27] <Noldorin> md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2] sda1[0]
1908[20:10:34] <Noldorin> does that look like a correct raid1 setup?
1909[20:10:40] <Noldorin> (output from `cat /dev/md0`)
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1933[20:28:34] <agittins> howdy - I'm having trouble with xdm crashing on startup after upgrading my machine to buster (radeon/amdgpu). I see that #debian-next is +i, is this the place to seek some ideas?
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1936[20:31:07] <annadane> agittins, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
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1938[20:31:54] <agittins> Ha! I didn't even look at the servername, just assume it'd be here :-) Thanks.
1939[20:32:17] <agittins> *assume(d) (joys of using backup laptop with stuffed keyboard!)
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1963[21:03:29] <burakcank> Hey, can someone tell me what is the logic behind separating python standard library module "venv" from the python3 package itself ?
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1979[21:18:51] <nkuttler> burakcank: not everybody needs it?
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1985[21:23:44] <burakcank> nkuttler, there is this detail that it's in the standard library though.
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1987[21:24:42] <nkuttler> burakcank: debian packagers don't always agree with project standards
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1996[21:32:01] <burakcank> nkuttler, I am not criticizing their decision but is that it ? Is this related with storage issues or what ? I don't think that is the reason.
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2000[21:33:50] <bites> python3-venv is just the /usr/bin/pyvenv script. the venv module still works if you don't have it installed.
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2002[21:34:34] <bites> you can still python3 -m venv myvenv with the bare python3 package.
2003[21:35:01] <burakcank> bites, it does not work on ubuntu 18.04. Says I should install python3-venv.
2004[21:35:55] <bites> this ain't #ubuntu, is it?
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2006[21:36:24] <ws2k3> i have a machine with a areca 1880 raid controller. running seagate sas drives. raid10 with 2 hot spares. but lately sometimes the volume jumps to read only JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on sdb1-8 i checked the raid controller logs and there is nothing there. how should i proceed
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2010[21:38:57] <burakcank> bites, oh, I thought that since ubuntu is based on debian, okay. My mistake :)
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2040[22:00:39] <ws2k3> i have a machine with a areca 1880 raid controller. running seagate sas drives. raid10 with 2 hot spares. but lately sometimes the volume jumps to read only JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on sdb1-8 i checked the raid controller logs and there is nothing there. how should i proceed
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2045[22:02:27] <un214> who's the package owner of lilo?
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2048[22:04:06] <at0m> un214: replaced-url
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2053[22:06:43] <un214> The homepage doesn't exist
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2063[22:10:58] <at0m> un214: Alioth is dead, long live Salsa so it seems. replaced-url
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2068[22:11:57] <un214> as expected kinda; I think the real answer for lilo package maintainer is nobody
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2074[22:12:38] <at0m> th maintainer is active, changed page 6 days ago. replaced-url
2075[22:12:57] <un214> oh; somebody needs to update the homepage link then
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2078[22:13:36] <at0m> yea. maybe send Joachim an email.
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2080[22:14:33] <at0m> or git or whatever. replaced-url
2081[22:14:57] <un214> oh; the real prolbem is you gave a stretch link rather than a buster link
2082[22:15:11] <un214> buster has the right link
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2085[22:16:13] <lovepopsickle> can you use apparmor on the terminal?
2086[22:16:27] <lovepopsickle> with aa-exec to execute a profile for that session?
2087[22:17:42] <at0m> un214: seems you're right, and he stopped development of lilo
2088[22:18:06] <at0m> (as per the note on replaced-url
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2090[22:18:38] <un214> I'm thinking about taking it up; I'm using a hacked-up lilo for running on fakeraid
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2092[22:18:54] <un214> I couldn't tell grub to stop writing to the disk
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2096[22:20:52] <at0m> "apt show lilo" also has the proper url. and have fun taking up the project, if you do =)
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2103[22:23:49] <nyov> that would be nice. lilo shouldn't die
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2109[22:28:02] <fr0xk> Looks like python 3.7 is still not making out Debian unstable
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2133[22:47:51] <annadane> ws2k3, i guess if no one knows the answer in here you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org
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2135[22:48:46] <annadane> or maybe ##hardware here on freenode if it's maybe more on the hardware side in general, not sure how much of your problem is debian related
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2138[22:49:23] <sZbcE8qNfG> hello, could someone check if replaced-url
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2141[22:52:52] <r3> replaced-url
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2171[23:09:46] <pldiem> can I boot debian without disabling secure boot option?
2172[23:09:55] <pldiem> I have no such option in my bios
2173[23:10:06] <pldiem> InsydeH20 rev. 5.0
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2188[23:43:15] <hypn0> bios and uefi are not the same, bios doesn't have secure boot?
2189[23:45:41] <pldiem> but the option usually was located under security tab in the bios
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2192[23:46:45] <pldiem> I am trying to install Debian once again, because during the previous installation I haven't seen the grub boot loader screen
2193[23:46:54] <pldiem> so maybe that is the issue
2194[23:47:03] <pldiem> since I cannot boot
2195[23:47:09] <annadane> i'm not well versed in secure boot but see replaced-url
2196[23:47:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2197[23:51:35] <pldiem> hmm... so how can I disable it when I don't see such option
2198[23:52:16] <Brigo> pldiem, ask google
2199[23:52:24] <pldiem> :)
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2201[23:52:32] <hassoon> (:
2202[23:52:35] <pldiem> I tried for a few hours
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2204[23:52:46] <hypn0> if there's no option, then it's a bios?
2205[23:53:04] <pldiem> what do you mean?
2206[23:53:33] <hypn0> debian installs fine with bios systems
2207[23:54:07] <pldiem> I know I had it on two other laptops
2208[23:54:12] <pldiem> one was the old one
2209[23:54:32] <pldiem> and on the newer one, as I can recall, I disabled secure boot
2210[23:54:47] <pldiem> and on the newest one I have no such option
2211[23:54:49] <hypn0> just cause you got uefi on one system, doesn't mean its on others?
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2213[23:55:06] <pldiem> I do have uefi options here
2214[23:55:36] <pldiem> isn't it a standard on a new laptops?
2215[23:55:58] <hypn0> yeah it should be
2216[23:56:41] <hypn0> replaced-url
2217[23:57:51] <pldiem> as I see on the screenshot there Rev. 3.7
2218[23:57:57] <pldiem> I do have Rev. 5.0
2219[23:58:40] <hypn0> it should be similar?
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2221[23:59:59] <hypn0> replaced-url
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