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15 [00:10:04] <soft_concrete> Which files should I be looking at
to manually configure a new network interface card, besides
/etc/network/interfaces ?
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28 [00:16:31] <soft_concrete> Never mind!
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59 [00:38:47] <Mr_Queue> # file java
60 [00:38:48] <Mr_Queue> java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel
80386, version 1
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63 [00:39:17] <Mr_Queue> # ./java
64 [00:39:19] <Mr_Queue> -bash: ./java: No such file or
directory
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69 [00:42:08] <Mr_Queue> how can that be?
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78 [00:53:36] <HeXiLeD> just installed another box with debian
but this install seems borked. Is there a package or config needed
to be done to have cmds to work by their name and not by their full
path? ie: ifconfig does not work. i have to /sbin/ifconfig
79 [00:53:49] <HeXiLeD> first time this happened to me
80 [00:54:25] <dvs> Mr_Queue, maybe file is smart enough to
follow PATH
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89 [01:03:36] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: a few things, first thing is
/sbin and /usr/sbin are not in a normal users $PATH, since those
binaries often require root permisions to work anyways.
90 [01:03:46] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: ifconfig ahs been replaced with
ip, ip is in a normal users $PATH
91 [01:03:48] <somiaj> !buster su
92 [01:03:48] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
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94 [01:04:04] <somiaj> also, su now works like it is supose to,
and won't update roots path if you don't use a login shell
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100 [01:09:12] <BalooRJ> sudo -i is the same as Su, no?
101 [01:09:14] <HeXiLeD> what are the advantages of these
changes?
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103 [01:16:27] <HeXiLeD> and the solution gives me an error.
104 [01:16:36] <HeXiLeD> this is a disgraceful change.
105 [01:17:10] <lwp> HeXiLeD, what solution give what error. do
you want help, or just want to cry ?
106 [01:17:34] <HeXiLeD> no one is crying. just stating what is
happening.
107 [01:17:45] <HeXiLeD> Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in
/etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior.
108 [01:17:49] <HeXiLeD> out puts an error
109 [01:18:15] <lwp> just use "su -"
110 [01:19:58] <HeXiLeD> let me put it this way. system boots.
(no wm) login prompt and i type root as the username. Right after i
get configuration error - unkonwn item 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH'
(notify adninistrator)
111 [01:20:42] <HeXiLeD> right now i am spending more time
getting the OS to work than the time it took to install it.
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113 [01:21:55] <HeXiLeD> are there any docs we can read,
informing why these changes were done?
114 [01:22:31] <HeXiLeD> also, is this a debian change only or
more distros are going the same route? (if anyone knows)
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117 [01:23:23] <somiaj> BalooRJ: same as su -l,
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119 [01:24:19] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: There are reasons to have a full
login shell, (su -) or (su -l), vs gaining root privlages for your
current enviorment. Changing the $PATH changes the enviorment and
that aws not the designed behavior of su
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121 [01:24:29] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: just learn to type 'su
-' or 'su -l'
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123 [01:24:49] <somiaj> debian just made su act like it is supose
to
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125 [01:25:14] <HeXiLeD> again, we are not talking about the same
somiaj. i am not doing su from regular user. I am login as root
right away.
126 [01:25:15] <somiaj> all of this information is in the release
notes
127 [01:25:36] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: how are you logging in as root,
from the prompt, and when you login as root the $PATH isn't
being set correctly?
128 [01:26:15] <HeXiLeD> The OS boots ( i am not using GUIs)
(just console) So i login as root.
129 [01:26:47] <HeXiLeD> i added ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in
/etc/login.defs
130 [01:26:50] <somiaj> seems you hit
replaced-url
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132 [01:26:51] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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134 [01:27:29] <HeXiLeD> great. by the way... dont even get
network.
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136 [01:27:57] <HeXiLeD> also, this is s fresh install
137 [01:28:01] <somiaj> what network card? Debian doesn't
install non-free firwmare by default
138 [01:28:28] <HeXiLeD> i am using virtualbox as i have used in
the past many times. intel vcard
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140 [01:30:46] <HeXiLeD> another question is, what will happen to
older installs that will get updated? will the updates change the OS
configs in regards to these changes, or will they work in
'legacy'?
141 [01:31:17] <somiaj> depends on the change, since the change
in su affects the binary (not a config file) it will happen due to
upgrades.
142 [01:31:30] <joepublic> ...as explained in the release notes
that you read before upgrading
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148 [01:32:47] <BalooRJ> I just took the plunge today and
installed Linux completely on my laptop. Was originally a W8 gaming
laptop from ASUS, then I dualbooted Windows 10 and Debian, and now
have took the plunge to only use Debian after a number of stupid
quirks from Windows, like my headphone jack not working and the
network card taking forever to load
149 [01:33:25] <HeXiLeD> i see. how much long will stretch be
supported?
150 [01:33:45] <somiaj> oldstable is supported officaly for one
year, and then by lts for about 3 more years
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152 [01:34:03] <HeXiLeD> well, i am staying there for a while
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154 [01:34:17] <zmoo> hello debian channel
155 [01:34:37] <teksimian> hello zmoo
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157 [01:34:48] <HeXiLeD> curious to know what motivated this type
of change. If anyone knwos
158 [01:34:56] <zmoo> question is there a prefered medod for
compiling glibc ? I needed glibc-2.28 so. im thinking source>
159 [01:35:25] <zmoo> or is there a source or debian latest srv?
160 [01:36:03] <joepublic> ,v glibc
161 [01:36:04] <judd> No package named 'glibc' was
found in amd64.
162 [01:36:10] <somiaj> zmoo: changing the glbic on debian stable
is not something that is suggested, being a core libary.
163 [01:36:15] <joepublic> fair enough
164 [01:36:21] <somiaj> zmoo: also what version of debian are you
running, buster has 2.28
165 [01:36:22] <somiaj> ,v libc6
166 [01:36:24] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie:
2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security:
2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye:
2.30-4; sid: 2.30-4; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0
167 [01:36:27] <zmoo> I must compile against it
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169 [01:37:03] <somiaj> zmoo: what version of debian are you
running?
170 [01:37:08] <zmoo> just install to options? or something and
pass it as local to "other" package?
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172 [01:37:33] * joepublic has a sneaky feeling about that
"debian" version thing
173 [01:37:51] <zmoo> stretch
174 [01:38:11] <somiaj> zmoo: using debootstrap to make a buster
chroot, and build in that chroot would be my suggestion.
175 [01:38:34] <somiaj> though if this runs on stretch, unsure,
it could be the software you want to build isnt' compadable
with stretch.
176 [01:39:00] <zmoo> I could do that*
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178 [01:39:24] <zmoo> it openwrt latest kernel
179 [01:40:15] <zmoo> i think it actually builds its own chroot
180 [01:40:21] <zmoo> or it did
181 [01:42:18] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: what type of change, changes
happen all the time, and it is a combination of matainers and
developer decisions.
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183 [01:46:24] <HeXiLeD> somiaj: yes i can see that. I just dont
see the validity of coming up with an idea that provides a bug right
away
replaced-url
184 [01:46:25] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
185 [01:47:34] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: from what I read that bug
isn't wide spread. As to exactly why the matainers wanted to
revert su to its intended behavior (which I agree with) I don't
know
186 [01:47:51] <somiaj> but seems this bug is minor, and only
affects some systems.
187 [01:48:51] <HeXiLeD> well... some... i mean, i just finished
installing debian.
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190 [01:50:13] <somiaj> I can't confirm if the bug exists or
not (I haven't tried this change).
191 [01:53:02] <somiaj> but it appears the message is just noise,
personally I don't see why you don't just use 'su
-' for a login shell
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194 [01:53:32] <lwp> Yes, the release notes for buster mention
this may happen, and call it a "harmless error message".
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199 [01:55:28] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: buster isn't bug free, but
the bugs are known, this is a known bug that doesn't cause any
problems with the functionality of your system.
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201 [01:55:49] <HeXiLeD> yes i see now.
202 [01:56:07] <somiaj> buster is rc-bug free at the moment of
the release (though rc-bugs often surface after the release)
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204 [01:56:49] <dify> You guys ever get disappointed when your
scripts work the first time, and there's nothing to
troubleshoot? lol
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206 [01:57:07] <somiaj> dify: I have never felt that way
207 [01:57:32] <dify> understandable. lol
208 [01:58:15] <dify> I was just ready to fix a bunch of shit,
but then it just worked. So now idk what to do.
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218 [02:03:07] <bumblefuzz> why is the kde live image booting to
command line?
219 [02:03:21] <bumblefuzz> also, why is it booting to comand
line after I installed it?
220 [02:03:33] <bumblefuzz> it's supposed to have KDE on it,
right?
221 [02:04:05] <bumblefuzz> this one:
debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-kde.iso
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223 [02:05:23] <somiaj> the installer will install what you
choose, I don't think it varies depending on the live image
224 [02:05:35] <somiaj> I'm unsure why the live image
isn't booting into kde though.
225 [02:05:47] <bumblefuzz> there was no option to install kde in
the installer
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227 [02:05:55] <lwp> bumblefuzz, maybe you are missing some
non-free firmware ?
228 [02:06:01] <bumblefuzz> if I didn't know any better,
I'd say this is the CLI install image, not the KDE image
229 [02:06:16] <bumblefuzz> lwp how do I tell?
230 [02:06:17] <somiaj> the installer should get to a point it
runs tasksel and lets you select which DE to install.
231 [02:06:20] <joepublic> there is no such. debian install is
debian install.
232 [02:06:41] <bumblefuzz> somiaj no DE options were presented
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234 [02:07:06] <somiaj> It is usually suggested you use an
offical intaller over a live image.
235 [02:07:10] <joepublic> if you `sudo tasksel` you can see that
screen and install your de.
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237 [02:07:55] <lwp> actually there is 3 versions of installer on
live images now
238 [02:08:20] <somiaj> oh there is? I thought they tried to
remove those and move to the debian-installer.
239 [02:08:31] <lwp> at the boot menu, you have text or graphical
installers, and once inside the live image, you have calamares
installer
240 [02:08:41] <lwp> !calamare
241 [02:08:45] <bumblefuzz> no live image ever appeared
242 [02:08:46] <lwp> !calamares
243 [02:08:46] <dpkg> Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares
installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat
unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the
choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look
for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See
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244 [02:08:47] <bumblefuzz> only cli
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246 [02:09:13] <lwp> bumblefuzz, what did this cli look like ?
247 [02:09:15] <bumblefuzz> also, tasksel gives the option to
install kde but, after selecting it, it return immediately to the
cli
248 [02:09:25] <bumblefuzz> lwp standard debian cli
249 [02:09:51] <lwp> look at your dmesg then, in that cli, and
see if it is complaining of missing firmware
250 [02:09:56] <bumblefuzz> it didn't put the user in
sudoers file too
251 [02:10:16] <bumblefuzz> lwp `dmseg...` ?
252 [02:10:41] <lwp> as root, dmesg | less
253 [02:11:42] <bumblefuzz> I did dmesg | grep firmware and only
got back 1 line, not about any errors
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255 [02:13:01] <bumblefuzz> how would I start kde form the cli?
256 [02:13:44] <somiaj> you can try startx
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258 [02:14:10] <bumblefuzz> it looks like it's working
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261 [02:14:24] <bumblefuzz> why wouldn't the live image or
the full install do this?
262 [02:14:46] <somiaj> sounds like an issue with the display
manger
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279 [02:29:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> I'm on Debian Unstable.
Anyone know how I can search for
280 [02:29:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> GNOME Shell extensions from
GNOME Software? Not working by
281 [02:29:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> default [20
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288 [02:42:09] <annadane> !debian-next
289 [02:42:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
290 [02:42:16] <annadane> HighMemoryDaemon, ^
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301 [02:55:27] <HighMemoryDaemon> annadane: Apologies :( Luckily
I figured the issue out.
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313 [03:02:21] <Gm4n> my debian system has started rebooting
occasionally. how can I start tracking down if this is hardware or
software?
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315 [03:04:19] <Mr_Queue> c/2
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317 [03:04:48] <dvs> =3
318 [03:05:05] <joepublic> c = 6
319 [03:06:25] <tharkun> Good $DAY I am looking for a nas
solution. Any suggestions?
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321 [03:11:09] <somiaj> Gm4n: are the reboots random? I
don't know of anything that would reboot a system by default
that isn't hardware.
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323 [03:12:43] <tharkun> Just realized, wrong channel an apology.
324 [03:12:51] <dvs> !lart tharkun
325 [03:12:51] * dpkg shoots tharkun in the head
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327 [03:12:58] <dvs> sheesh1
328 [03:13:14] <cybercrypto> :)
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331 [03:16:31] <Gm4n> somiaj: as far as I can tell. Is there
anything I could look at that might let me start getting an idea how
the system went down, though? Like, kernel panic vs power failure vs
something else?
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335 [03:19:43] <cybercrypto> Gm4n: Is your journal fles
configured to be 'persistent'? (what journalctl -b 1 tells
you?)
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343 [03:25:29] <somiaj> Gm4n: check in /var/log and if you have
have the directory /var/log/journal (I would cerate it if you
don't) you can use journalctl to look through the systemd logs
344 [03:25:56] <somiaj> but /var/log/kern.log or
/var/log/messages might contain some clues
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349 [03:31:33] <Gm4n> cybercrypto: looks like no, non-persistent
(no persistent journal was found). somiaj, the man page for journald
says that it uses /run/log/journal - do I also want to mkdir
/var/log/journal?
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351 [03:32:36] <somiaj> Gm4n: /run is for the current boot only,
debian is setup that if you create the direcotry /var/log/journal
logs will be stored there through multiple reboots
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353 [03:32:57] <somiaj> This doesn't create by default on
debian systems (Though I think ther eis some discussion about
changing this)
354 [03:33:04] <somiaj> s/create/exist/
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357 [03:35:19] <cybercrypto> Gm4n: this means that you do not
have journal information from previous boot (your journal is only
recording current boot (you can check with journalctl -b). With that
said, check the advise from somiaj. You could also consider enabling
persistent journal.
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362 [03:46:30] <HeXiLeD> other than this
replaced-url
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364 [03:48:57] <woddf2> I switched hard drives to try another OS,
and now the Debian install on the main hard drive won't boot in
UEFI mode. How do I make it boot again?
365 [03:49:14] <woddf2> s/and now/and now after re-installing the
main hard drive/
366 [03:49:40] <somiaj> !fixmbr
367 [03:49:40] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
368 [03:50:01] <somiaj> woddf2: ^^ you could try that, but since
it is uefi, sometimes you can just point your firmware at the
correct efi file on your efi parttion
369 [03:50:19] <woddf2> somiaj: How do I do the latter?
370 [03:50:24] <somiaj> depends on your firmware
371 [03:50:31] <woddf2> somiaj: Oh, and the drive in question has
(almost) full disk encryption.
372 [03:50:38] <somiaj> (use to be called bios, but firwmare is
more appropriate for efi systems)
373 [03:52:31] <woddf2> somiaj: Oh, and even forcing UEFI
doesn't work.
374 [03:52:43] <woddf2> "Error 1962: No operating system
found. Boot sequence will automatically repeat."
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376 [03:55:03] <woddf2> 01:50:24 < somiaj> depends on your
firmware <-- Would you happen to know how to do that on a
mid-2010s Lenovo ThinkCentre?
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380 [03:58:45] <somiaj> woddf2: go into the setup, and poke
around in the boot options
381 [03:58:51] <woddf2> somiaj: I tried that.
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383 [03:59:04] <somiaj> Oh my system I can actually browse the
file system of my efi partition and tell it what efi file to use
384 [03:59:25] <somiaj> the other option is follow that factod,
boot into a live system, unencrypt/mount your system and so on
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386 [04:00:15] <woddf2> somiaj: Until
debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-gnome.iso finishes downloading, I'm
stuck. :-P
387 [04:03:14] <somiaj> I personally find grml a good recover
system (don't need a fully gui for this)
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389 [04:04:27] <woddf2> somiaj: I'll probably mostly use the
shell anyway, but that was the image I originally used to install
it.
390 [04:05:04] <woddf2> I'm not on Ubuntu, but this appears
to be the same problem I'm having:
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413 [04:42:11] <woddf2> somiaj: That fixed it; thanks.
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419 [04:53:47] <Gm4n> if I'm seeing a lsb start job failing,
where can I look up details on that job identifier?
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421 [04:55:56] <HeXiLeD> is there such package like
fluxbox-generate_menu for debian?
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432 [05:09:29] <BazookaTooth> v, menumaker
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435 [05:10:36] <BazookaTooth> ,v menumaker
436 [05:10:38] <judd> No package named 'menumaker' was
found in amd64.
437 [05:11:22] <BazookaTooth> HeXiLeD: menumaker is a thing but a
bit old
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464 [05:50:49] <Gm4n> if a package can't be removed, how can
I see where the post-removal script is failing?
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468 [05:54:29] <ghostnik11> hey i want to partition some space is
it safe to just use disk to partition a current drive? the drive has
an os on it
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474 [06:03:02] <somiaj> Gm4n: did the secript not produce any
errors? You can findt he script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo and add
set -x to it or do various other script debugging
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477 [06:04:54] <Wulf> Gm4n: if you don't care about the
postrm script, you can replace it with "#!/bin/sh exit 0"
478 [06:05:09] <somiaj> and of course deal with any artificats
that leaves behind
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508 [07:00:06] <usney> my computer just crashed and now I have
rebooted. What command or commands do I need to enter in to see the
logs for what caused that issue? is it dmesg? If it is dmesg what
should I pipe the dmesg text file log I created?
509 [07:00:27] <usney> and use grep
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513 [07:06:37] <Ericounet> look at /var/log/messages
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515 [07:06:58] <Ericounet> and /var/log/daemon.log
516 [07:07:46] <usney> cool that you
517 [07:07:59] <usney> doesn't the dmesg command look in the
messages log?
518 [07:08:15] <somiaj> or /var/log/kern.log, and if you have
/var/log/journal, this means you have presistant journald, and you
can use that to look at all logs fromt he last boot
519 [07:08:33] <somiaj> only part of it does, and due to systemd,
now less than use to
520 [07:09:46] <usney> I am using ext4 on an installed system not
a live usb.
521 [07:10:46] <usney> I have found some errors to correct that
maybe the culprit it is a networking error about creating a backup
file it is a long list of the same error.
522 [07:11:15] <Ericounet> yes, dmesg do it ... but you have only
the last run, not the ones wo caused the crash
523 [07:11:43] <usney> yes I thought that could be a reason to
not use it I wasn't sure as why I asked
524 [07:12:35] <usney> is there a guide to set this up in debian?
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526 [07:13:08] <usney> I have this issue often system crashes I
also run a lot of programs at the same time so maybe that could be
the culprit too?
527 [07:13:09] <Wulf> usney: it should be already activated.
528 [07:13:35] <usney> last time my system froze the key
combinations on wikipedia didn't work.
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530 [07:15:09] <binaryhermit> it is possible for a system to die
so badly magic sysrq doesn't work
531 [07:15:44] <usney> oh okay
532 [07:16:07] <usney> yes that probably was the cause I am
reading that you need to go to a console
533 [07:16:34] <usney> I already use ctrl alt f1-f7 regularly for
different things
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535 [07:17:44] <usney> I should probably use a forum for this
one.
536 [07:18:27] <usney> But thank you everyone for your
informative sources for where to find this in the logs.
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538 [07:19:07] <usney> I am using a very light desktop
environment one that isn't common like lxde/lxqt or xfce.
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540 [07:19:47] <usney> So maybe it isn't a too much ram
being used issue but it could be a too hot or processor being used
too heavily at the time of the crash.
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542 [07:20:20] <usney> See you later everybody I am off to the
forums.
543 [07:20:57] <megacoolvibes> I have a headache
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545 [07:21:10] <megacoolvibes> root@ip-172-31-33-21:/# php7.2
--version
546 [07:21:12] <megacoolvibes> installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
upgraded.
547 [07:21:34] <megacoolvibes> Why is this happening?
548 [07:22:58] <usney> why is the problem? Is that the output you
get when you run --version?
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550 [07:23:38] <usney> All I can think is maybe you just
installed some software or updated the repo recently
551 [07:24:13] <usney> see you everyone! I am no expert i hope a
debian expert can help soon.
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553 [07:24:37] <megacoolvibes> Well I was trying to update the
php on my server for my website
554 [07:24:50] <megacoolvibes> So I typed php --version, nothing
showed
555 [07:25:03] <megacoolvibes> I typed php7.2 --version, nothing
showed
556 [07:25:22] <megacoolvibes> So I thought maybe I should
install some packages
557 [07:25:29] <usney> isn't the numbers have php the
version?
558 [07:25:36] <usney> in php command
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561 [07:25:54] <megacoolvibes> No php command works.
562 [07:26:01] <megacoolvibes> When I type php --version
563 [07:26:09] <usney> wow
564 [07:26:09] <megacoolvibes> It says this:
565 [07:26:19] <megacoolvibes> bash: /usr/bin/php: No such file
or directory
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567 [07:26:30] <usney> did you try installing it again?
568 [07:26:34] <megacoolvibes> Yes!
569 [07:26:46] <megacoolvibes> And it says
570 [07:26:47] <megacoolvibes> php7.2 is already the newest
version (7.2.24-0ubuntu0.18.04.4).
571 [07:26:53] <megacoolvibes> LOL
572 [07:26:53] <usney> how about trying the whereis command?
573 [07:26:57] <usney> whereis php
574 [07:27:09] <megacoolvibes> php: /usr/lib/php /etc/php
/usr/share/php7.2-opcache /usr/share/php7.2-common
/usr/share/php7.2-curl /usr/share/php7.2-mysql /usr/share/php7.2-gd
/usr/share/php7.2-json /usr/share/php7.2-readline
/usr/share/php7.2-mbstring /usr/share/php7.2-xml
575 [07:27:23] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: are you running ubuntu?
576 [07:27:37] <usney> it doesn't list /usr/bin/php
577 [07:27:51] <usney> that's the issue it looks like
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579 [07:28:02] <megacoolvibes> Yes but nobody bothers to answer
in ##ubuntu. And ubuntu is a Debian fork afaik
580 [07:28:06] <somiaj> !ubuntu
581 [07:28:06] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
582 [07:28:20] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: still, this is not the
place to ask for support for ubuntu, they may deal with their php
packages differently
583 [07:28:40] <usney> you could use ubuntu forum or ubuntu on
reddit megacoolvibes
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586 [07:29:18] <megacoolvibes> Well let's say I was using
debian
587 [07:29:29] <usney> or you could search for "ubuntu
/usr/bin/php: No such file or directory" without the quotes.
588 [07:29:30] <BazookaTooth> ...
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590 [07:29:49] <usney> in a web search
591 [07:30:01] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: but you aren't, and
ubuntu packages maybe different than debian, so our advise may not
work.
592 [07:30:52] <megacoolvibes> The /usr/bin and /usr/lib
aren't similar on Debian and Ubuntu as far as php is concerned?
593 [07:31:07] <usney> megacoolvibes,
replaced-url
594 [07:31:17] <megacoolvibes> Anyway sorry for bothering
595 [07:32:50] <usney> you are not bothering us you are just
asking for support for a different Gnu/Linux system that is built
differently so therefor it can't be supported here.
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597 [07:33:16] <usney> It does use apt and is mostly based on
debian but still it isn't setup the same.
598 [07:33:28] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: We just like to point
people to the proper place to get support. Part of what you choose
with a distro is the support communinty, and #debian only supports
debian pure blends.
599 [07:34:14] <megacoolvibes> I guess next time I'll go
with debian then
600 [07:34:32] <megacoolvibes> You guys think it's better
than Ubuntu for a webserver aim?
601 [07:34:54] <somiaj> Ubuntu has a decent support commuinty, I
just think it might not be on irc. I always see good answers on
their askubuntu.com forms.
602 [07:35:04] <qman__> both will do that perfectly fine
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604 [07:35:20] <usney> I think ubuntu uses debian testing am I
wrong?
605 [07:35:37] <usney> so it might not be as stable as the latest
debian release.
606 [07:35:44] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: version of packages,
philosophy, and length of support are things to consider.
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608 [07:36:09] <qman__> it's really about your preference
more than anything else
609 [07:36:12] <somiaj> usney: ubuntu is actually quite different
at the core, but it uses debian packages rebuilt from testing for
its universe.
610 [07:36:21] <usney> cool
611 [07:36:37] <usney> I don't plan I using ubuntu so I
don't know.
612 [07:37:01] <usney> I/on*
613 [07:37:57] <usney> But if it is located in a different spot
than what the program is looking for it you can link it to where it
is calling it from megacoolvibes .
614 [07:38:14] <usney> Go ask ubuntu for help on that.
615 [07:40:20] <usney> megacoolvibes,
replaced-url
616 [07:40:45] <megacoolvibes> I need a more powerful machine
anyway, I'll reinstall everything on Debian
617 [07:40:51] <megacoolvibes> Thanks for the help
618 [07:41:07] <usney> you can make a script to install all the
software you need
619 [07:41:32] <usney> there is even a way to get all currently
installed apps to install again later or on another machine.
620 [07:42:15] <usney> it may get errors though because of
different versions or naming of that program so you can come here if
you get those errors.
621 [07:43:11] <somiaj> I wouldn't suggest using a package
list from ubuntu to install on debian, mostly due to large
differences in the core of the os.
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623 [07:44:12] <megacoolvibes> I only need
php+modules/mysql/apache, so it's going to be okay
624 [07:44:35] <megacoolvibes> I'll type the appropriate
commands for Debian one by one
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627 [07:45:35] <usney> okay sorry about that somiaj thanks for
clarifying for us
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630 [07:47:08] <usney> if you installed everything from a
terminal. I get my installed this that way so I only install
software I manually installed. To do that I do "history | grep
install" without the quotes entered into a terminal or console.
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632 [07:47:24] <usney> list this way*
633 [07:47:31] <somiaj> megacoolvibes: My suggestion is to
install a minimial debian system, so at the end of the install
unselect desktop enviorment, then select standard and ssh server
(what I usually do), after that install the software you want using
apt.
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635 [07:48:05] <usney> I like using tasksel tui app to install
additional software like desktops and such.
636 [07:48:30] <usney> if you need it
637 [07:48:49] <usney> but I don't use that for my preferred
GUI since it isn't in the list.
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639 [07:50:02] <usney> I just openbox plus tint2 extremely
lightweight sometimes puppy gnu/linux uses it as their default GUI
or DE.
640 [07:50:22] <usney> Good luck megacoolvibes
641 [07:50:47] <somiaj> The nice thing about debian is the amount
of choice one has, from full DEs, to light weight DEs, to simple
window managers.
642 [07:51:04] <usney> YES very much so!
643 [07:52:46] <GeeKoyo> ;) <(") echo "Hello
#debian" ^.^ Hope all is staying Safe these days..
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646 [07:54:39] <megacoolvibes> I'm using AWS
647 [07:54:54] <usney> That's why I disagree with Linus
saying that the Desktop Linux failed because of too many
distributions and software choices. Maybe we could lessen the
different distributions if the main Distributions the ones that
haven't created their own and are based on one of the main
distributions maybe the main distribution could add an installation
meta package that refers to all the packages that distribution uses.
But that probably would be too long of a
648 [07:54:54] <usney> list but maybe just for the really popular
ones that aren't that different from the core like ubuntu is
from debian.
649 [07:54:56] <megacoolvibes> There are 3 Debian distros
available
650 [07:55:01] <megacoolvibes> 8,9,10
651 [07:55:32] <usney> Just a thought
652 [07:55:46] <megacoolvibes> I don't need any DE. The
server purpose is to only run my website backend. Media held by CDN
653 [07:55:49] <usney> well I am really going to go now and post
my problem in the forums.
654 [07:56:17] <usney> cool megacoolvibes than debian is a great
choice for that especially using the stable edition.
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656 [07:58:36] <usney> Having many software choices is a must
however that can't be sacrificed since some of the different
choices are essential for certain setups like ones that require low
resource usage. :) okay last thing to add. :)
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739 [09:06:46] <alkisg> Hi, are debian maintainers supposed to be
able to login to sso.debian.org? Ever since Alioth went down,
I'm unable to...
740 [09:12:41] <somiaj> alkisg: you might want to ask on
#debian-mentors at irc.oftc.net.
741 [09:12:50] <alkisg> Thank you
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745 [09:14:01] <ViperXL75> So I've come to a point where
I'm considering upgrading my linux kernel. I currently run
Debian9 stretch. uname -r says: 4.9.0-9-amd64
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748 [09:14:52] <ViperXL75> Yet I can't shake the feeling
that I'm standing right now unknowingly pointing a gun at my
foot. But I'm too dumb to realise that, until I actually shot
my foot.
749 [09:15:49] <ViperXL75> is it safe to "randomly"
pick a kernel from the list? apt-cache search linux-image
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752 [09:19:04] <L0aD1nG> ViperXL75: you compiled the kernel 4.9
yourself?
753 [09:19:56] <ViperXL75> No. At least... i don't think so.
I installed Debian9 stretch from scratch and have been running it
for the last 2 years or so.
754 [09:20:12] <kopper> ViperXL75: Without updates?
755 [09:20:34] <ViperXL75> oh there has been updates from within
the GUI of Debian
756 [09:21:17] <ViperXL75> the "Software" GUI.
757 [09:21:17] <kopper> Then you probable have the latest
available installed from that apt-cache search
758 [09:21:53] <L0aD1nG> ViperXL75: thinking about moving to
buster (Debian 10)??
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760 [09:22:17] <ViperXL75> well not exactly. I'm just trying
to get a little app to work. "Droidcam"
761 [09:22:23] <ViperXL75> using phone as webcam
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763 [09:22:44] <ViperXL75> i came across this error when
installing: apt-cache search linux-image
764 [09:22:47] <ViperXL75> crap sec
765 [09:23:03] <ViperXL75> make[1]: ***
/lib/modules/4.9.0-9-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
766 [09:23:57] <ViperXL75> When i try "apt-get install
linux-headers-4.9.0-?" i dont see it listed in that list.
767 [09:24:26] <ViperXL75> <-- Obviously still relatively new
to poking under the hood in Linux. :(
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770 [09:26:18] <L0aD1nG> you might miss the linux-headers
package, i search on the web and found one other guy that has the
same issue
771 [09:26:31] <L0aD1nG> check this
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774 [09:26:47] <ViperXL75> on the internet, there has been some
talk about 4.9.0-9-amd64 being rather headaches or unstable. And
they say "the package was removed". So i thought... well
maybe i have to move to another kernel version.
775 [09:27:01] <ViperXL75> oh
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778 [09:27:54] <somiaj> ViperXL75: why not upgrade stretch to
buster? Any reason you want to stay on stretch (it does loose
offical support somewhat in the next few months I think -- though it
will have LTS support)
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784 [09:29:25] <ViperXL75> oh damn
785 [09:29:27] <ViperXL75> really?
786 [09:29:34] <ViperXL75> Cuz i'm lazy as ***
787 [09:29:37] <ViperXL75> well not lazy
788 [09:30:03] <somiaj> !stretch->buster
789 [09:30:06] <ViperXL75> But I've been having a lot of
pains with this machine
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791 [09:30:19] <ViperXL75> ehm... not sure what that means
792 [09:30:23] <ViperXL75> !stretch->buster
793 [09:30:25] <ViperXL75> ?
794 [09:30:32] <somiaj> dpkg: stretch->buster
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798 [09:31:07] <L0aD1nG> ViperXL75: you mean to reinstall it from
scratch or upgrading from the terminal?
799 [09:31:14] <somiaj> dpkg: stretch->buster
800 [09:31:15] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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802 [09:31:46] <somiaj> ViperXL75: debian is designed to be
upgraded in place, that was a command for the bot to give you some
basic guidelines, this will upgrade your kernel along with the rest
of the sfotware you have intstalled to the new stable release
buster.
803 [09:32:07] <ViperXL75> ohhh
804 [09:32:10] <somiaj> ViperXL75: this of course should be done
if you have enough time and make sure you have backups just in case
somethign goes wrong.
805 [09:32:45] <ViperXL75> debian can be upgraded in place ?!?
806 [09:32:49] <ViperXL75> daaaaamn
807 [09:32:50] <ViperXL75> ok
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811 [09:34:41] <somiaj> I would read that link, but there are
people who are runnign the same debian install from 15-20 years ago
812 [09:34:53] <somiaj> just keep upgraing it from release to
release over time
813 [09:35:11] <somiaj> Usually I only doa fresh install when I
get a new machine, and then upgrade from there
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817 [09:35:27] <ViperXL75> back in town... had to jump to WIFI
818 [09:35:46] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: i left my netbook on wheezy..
and its unable to upgrade now right? i should reinstall..
819 [09:37:13] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: you can upgrade wheezy ->
stretch, then you can upgrade stretch -> buster
820 [09:37:22] <somiaj> so it is still upgradable, but you have
to do it one release at a time (don't skip)
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822 [09:38:25] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: after wheezy it jessie, am i
wrong?
823 [09:38:34] <L0aD1nG> s/it/it was
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825 [09:39:18] <somiaj> oh am I off a release, then yes jessie
first
826 [09:39:38] <somiaj> releases will be on archive.debian.org if
they aren't on the offical servers and still usable
827 [09:40:04] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: i ll might to a fresh install
just for fun :)
828 [09:40:07] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: yea I was off so wheezy ->
jessie -> stretch -> buster -- you can upgrade the whole way
829 [09:40:13] <L0aD1nG> setting up the system sometimes is fun
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832 [09:45:50] <L0aD1nG> debian 1.1 had supported 474 packages
buster now supports ~59.000 thats cool.
833 [09:46:47] <BazookaTooth> silly to compare a stat like that
tho :P
834 [09:46:54] <L0aD1nG> :D
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836 [09:47:14] <L0aD1nG> i was checking the history on wikipedia
837 [09:47:20] <BazookaTooth> ah
838 [09:47:41] <oxek> I have the option of installing vscodium as
a .deb or as an .AppImage. Which one should I go for on a fresh
installation of debian 10 x64?
839 [09:48:23] <somiaj> oxek: was the .deb made to be compadable
with debian 10 (or was it made for ubuntu or some other debian
distro)
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841 [09:48:44] <oxek> somiaj: no idea, doesn't specify on
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844 [09:51:09] <somiaj> oxek: the .deb might be independent
enough it can install in debian. I don't see enough information
to know if it will be compadable with debian 10 or not.
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846 [09:51:45] <somiaj> appimage should run and be compadable. I
might be tempted to try the .deb, but if the dependenceies cannot be
satsified in debian 10, don't try to force it.
847 [09:51:45] <oxek> somiaj: so if in doubt I shoud pick the
AppImage version?
848 [09:52:35] <somiaj>
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850 [09:55:15] <hesco1> how would I proceed to investigate and
resolve this disk full issue. df says disk full, but du does not
believe it. I tend to trust du here.
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851 [09:55:27] <riverr> What would be good way to alert on ddos
attacks? I have ratelimit rule which will drop packets so I thought
something like getting the packet count from specific line in
iptables and act based on how much packets were dropped
852 [09:55:30] <riverr> any other ideas?
853 [09:57:02] <hesco1> riverr: I like to have the alert tell me
where I have documented the resolution of the alert, a wiki url,
ehat-have-you, if not actually tell me specifically what I need to
do.
854 [09:57:53] <riverr> hesco1, I mean just to notify me in some
way that ddos attack happened, as example it could execute bash
script which sends me email etc
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858 [10:01:33] <BazookaTooth> riverr: tried #netfilter too?
859 [10:01:35] <hesco1> riverr: you do not want to be woken up by
an alert without a clear idea of what is required of you. If you
just need awareness for the morning, send relevant excerpts of your
logs as an email after some trigger, but the moment you want to
create an email filter so you can ignore your alerts is the moment,
perhaps, that the alert might better be turned off.
860 [10:01:56] <riverr> BazookaTooth, oh yeah i should probably
ask there instead. There isnt as much people online atm though
861 [10:02:45] <riverr> hesco1, hmm yeah its okay I have
everything on mute when im sleeping :D
862 [10:02:56] <riverr> but at the day time it would be nice to
know asap if it happens
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922 [11:28:24] <L0aD1nG> i would like to ask if i need apache2 to
run on start up by default on a personal computer... do i need it?
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926 [11:30:41] <ansimita> L0aD1nG: Depends on your use case.
It's okay to disable it.
927 [11:31:09] <L0aD1nG> ansimita: its for http server right?
928 [11:31:23] <ansimita> yes
929 [11:31:51] <L0aD1nG> ansimita: does debian need it to run for
some reason other than being a server?
930 [11:31:58] <ansimita> no
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932 [11:32:05] <L0aD1nG> okay thanks
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977 [12:14:47] <L0aD1nG> if you pick "base system
utilities" on installtion process is apache2 included?? I am
trying to undestand why i have it installed..
978 [12:14:58] <L0aD1nG> and "laptop"
979 [12:15:12] <L0aD1nG> also picked the "laptop"
choice
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982 [12:16:20] <L0aD1nG> back in time when i fresh installed
debian wheezy.
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990 [12:24:44] <r15> hi #debian, i have / under btrfs without
compression, is it possible to enable compression for some path for
example /opt/ ?
991 [12:25:22] <r15> ' /opt' is under / and / is using
btfs (don't want to compress whole /) ?
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996 [12:31:06] <Antoine-> Hello, how can I tell if I am using the
default configuration file of a package?
997 [12:31:24] <Antoine-> I'd like to know if my
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1048 [13:22:45] <kats99> CCD3301
1049 [13:23:22] <abrotman> kats99: was that a password?
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1051 [13:24:30] <kats99> I made a mistake
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1063 [13:41:03] <knob> Hello. Is there a "n00b friendly"
way to install python3.6 in Debian10 Buster?
1064 [13:41:58] <knob> I have done a couple of python3.7
scripts... and it works on my local computer. Yet I it doesn't
work on a remote Debian10 server. I *think* that I have narrowed
down the problem to: local computer has python3.6, and remote server
has python3.7
1065 [13:42:22] <knob> I want to do a test on a fresh Debian10
machine... and install Python3.6
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1068 [13:43:47] <rabbitear_g>
replaced-url
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1074 [13:48:17] <abrotman> rabbitear_g: wtf .. wrong channel
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1079 [13:51:51] <knob> Where can I download previous Debian
releases? I am looking for Debian10 CD
1080 [13:53:17] <abrotman> Buster is the current release
1081 [13:54:29] <knob> Errr... yes. Sorry. I am looking to
download Debian9 Stretch
1082 [13:54:36] <knob> Yet I can't find it...
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1090 [13:57:42] <abrotman>
replaced-url
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1092 [13:58:30] <knob> Thank you abrotman
1093 [13:58:44] <knob> How did you arrive at that link?
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1095 [13:59:08] <knob> I have searched for 10 minutes and... I
just can't see where there is a list of previous releases (and
if it even exists).
1096 [14:00:07] <abrotman> dpkg: release history
1097 [14:00:08] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story"
characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3;
1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09),
Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1;
2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14),
Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8;
2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next:
Bullseye.
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1101 [14:03:06] <knob> Yeah... but *how did you get the link*?
1102 [14:03:10] <knob> The download link itself
1103 [14:03:23] <knob> A listing of links to download different
ISOs?
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1105 [14:03:56] <abrotman> Some of the CD mirrors have older
versions
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1107 [14:05:52] <abrotman>
replaced-url
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1109 [14:05:58] <knob> Ahh. Ok so browsing the mirrors. Ok. Thank
you abrotman
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1111 [14:08:14] <ivek1980> Hello! I only test IRC, can you read
this? Thanks!
1112 [14:08:20] <abrotman> no
1113 [14:08:21] <knob> Any recommended way of installing
*specifically* python3.6 on Debian10-buster?
1114 [14:08:36] <abrotman> knob: why?
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1116 [14:08:45] <knob> reasons
1117 [14:08:49] <choice> Is it possible to manually install the
man page for a command?
1118 [14:09:02] <abrotman> buster has 3.7 ... that's not good
enough?
1119 [14:09:30] <abrotman> choice: do you have the document
already? or just asking if you can install just a -doc package for
example?
1120 [14:09:41] <joepublic> if you need something for
"reasons," then specifically install it via
"methods." You're welcome. :)
1121 [14:09:48] <choice> abrotman: I dunno. I want to see the man
page of certbot.
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1123 [14:10:46] <abrotman> choice: typically, I'll google
"foocmd man page" if I don't want to install the
package
1124 [14:11:19] <abrotman> if you have the actual man page, you
can "compile" it .. but I don't think that's
what you're asking
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1126 [14:11:34] <choice> abrotman: I have the package, but not the
man page. Somehow the debian-slim dockerfile prevents man pages from
being installed.
1127 [14:11:46] <abrotman> are you sure it has a man page?
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1129 [14:12:05] <choice> abrotman: Pretty much
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1131 [14:12:39] <abrotman> do you have
/usr/share/man/man1/certbot.1.gz
1132 [14:13:03] <choice> abrotman: I don't even have
/usr/share/man/man1/
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1134 [14:13:26] <abrotman> well, that's fun
1135 [14:13:38] <abrotman> you can download the package manually,
extract the man page ..
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1137 [14:13:56] <choice> Uh oh that sounds like too much hassle.
1138 [14:14:23] <abrotman> it's not really
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1141 [14:17:36] <JadedJ> I'm using the wifi driver brcmsmac,
is it possible to go back to an older version?
1142 [14:17:55] <JadedJ> I'm currently using
4.15.0-96-generic
1143 [14:17:55] <abrotman> choice:
replaced-url
1144 [14:18:54] <abrotman> JadedJ: I think you want #ubuntu, good
luck
1145 [14:20:59] <choice> abrotman: Thanks. But well .. I am sure
the man page was online somewhere on the world wide web before. I
was just curious if there is a way to install it manually.
1146 [14:21:21] <abrotman> choice: I told you to extract it, and
you didn't want that
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1148 [14:21:56] <choice> abrotman: Yup. I prefer reading it on the
replaced-url
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1150 [14:22:48] <sgo11> hi, for per user home encrytion, can luks
encryption support that? Do I still need ecryptfs even if my entire
parition is encrypted by LUKS? Does it make sense or too much have
two ecryptfs and LUKS encryptions on one system? Thanks.
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1152 [14:23:56] <abrotman> so, it was already on the web, and that
wasn't good enough, the raw man page wasn't good enough,
extracting it yourself wasn't good enough .. okay then
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default configuration file of a package? I'd like to know if
I'm using the default /etc/default/grub or if I have edited it
at some point
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1220 [15:38:07] <archaeopter> Hello! Is there something like a KDE
Neon to debian? ( semi-latest kde, out of the box useable with
preinstalled standard progs)
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1227 [15:45:43] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: what do you mean?
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1231 [15:46:37] <archaeopter> KDE neon is ubuntu lts fork+ latest
kde , i kinda want the same without ubuntu
1232 [15:46:44] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: you can have Debian
running KDE, and it is officially supported.
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1234 [15:48:04] <archaeopter> Yes, but its no preconfigured, it
doesnt have preinstalled standard programs and its kde is dinosaur
1235 [15:48:13] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: KDE software ON KDE
neon will always be 'up-to-date'. It is the goal of the
Neon project.
1236 [15:48:55] <cybercrypto> KDE software in debian, even it is
not 'latest' is pretty decent, and on top of it, it is
pretty stable.
1237 [15:49:31] <archaeopter> Yes, but i dont want to wait 2 years
between each kde desktop
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1239 [15:49:48] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: so i guess the answer
is: No. you will never have same KDE software supported on debian,
if compared to kde neon.
1240 [15:50:08] <archaeopter> K, thx! Guess ill go for neon
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1242 [15:50:39] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: somepeople will say
that you can use 'debian testing' which will provide you
newer KDE software... but I dont like that option.
1243 [15:50:46] <archaeopter> I myself use debian testing with
kde, but i just want an iso to install for a friend
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1245 [15:51:14] <cybercrypto> if you want latest plasma, kde neon
will give you that (including all the bugs together :)
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1247 [15:51:54] <archaeopter> I doubt it will be less stable than
debian testing with kde
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1249 [15:52:09] <Lope> ratrace, you asked about artifacts in x2go.
Well I was actually starting to do some software dev now, and
noticed some of the text was miscoloured, so I changed the
compression from adaptive to nopack, and now the text color is
perfect.
1250 [15:52:14] <archaeopter> Cause i have bugs plenty on it
1251 [15:52:33] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: thats great, sounds
like you have your decision. have fun.
1252 [15:52:52] <Lope> nopack was actually fine previously as
well, as it's going thru virtio localhost. adaptive just allows
for 15% less CPU usage if I play a youtube video inside the x2go
session, which I prefer not to do anyway.
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1254 [15:53:25] <archaeopter> Btw, any idea on how to inspect
flickering LAN connection on debian?
1255 [15:53:41] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: have you tried fedora?
KDE is quite new there.
1256 [15:53:59] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: make a comparison and
see what fit your needs
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1259 [15:54:14] <archaeopter> Hmm, fedora might be a good
alternative to neon, true
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1266 [15:54:57] <cybercrypto> archaeopter: opensuse is also plasma
default DDE. check it to see and compare
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1288 [16:12:55] <ws2k3> in ethtool -S eth0 im seeing
rx_missed_errors: 535, what could this be or hw would i diagnose
this?
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1291 [16:17:40] <sudomake> hello, I cant open some websites. in
the last session I had the same and tried this solution;
replaced-url
1292 [16:17:50] <sudomake> I thought it worked but now I see it
didnt
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1294 [16:18:12] <sudomake> askubuntu.com, superuser.com are the
sites that I have tried so far and cannot open
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1319 [16:47:38] <cybercrypto> sudomake: I did not get. could you
clarify what is your question and goal?
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1323 [16:50:39] <tehnull> how do I adjust display gamma on debian
10?
1324 [16:51:04] <tehnull> I just upgraded from 9 and the gamma is
so intense all colors are washed out
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1326 [16:52:30] <tehnull> nm I did it in nvidia-settings but now
I'm going to have to make this change on every boot
1327 [16:52:48] <sudomake> cybercrypto, seems solved for now. the
problem was that some websites didnt open.
1328 [16:52:52] <sudomake> unable to connect
1329 [16:53:18] <cybercrypto> sudomake: glad to hear.
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1337 [16:58:45] <kats99>
replaced-url
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1340 [16:59:21] <kats99> There are two users in this and if one
can login, the other can't
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1345 [17:01:05] <kats99> Sorry wrong channel..
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1352 [17:09:48] <tyzef> Hi guys... I am done... I try to record
with my input mic but no sound, I tested the mic and it work on my
phone but not on my debian...
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1354 [17:10:18] <tyzef> it's two days now I can't make
it work, I am on a debian minimal buster
1355 [17:10:27] <tyzef> just openbox and some stufs
1356 [17:10:52] <tyzef> I searched a lot on the web but now way
1357 [17:11:03] <tyzef> noway
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1427 [18:19:27] <sufy> hello #debian I am having problems with
rtl8192ce a new pci card i got that seems to keep turning on and
off, i followed the trouble shooting guide but still have the issue
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1433 [18:25:06] <lwp> !rtl8192ce
1434 [18:25:06] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are
PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177,
10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is
available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required
(rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to
provide.
replaced-url
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1436 [18:25:27] <lwp> !realtek firmware
1437 [18:25:27] <dpkg> Firmware from userspace is required by the
<rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>,
<rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>,
<rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>,
<r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware
patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet
controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free
sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide.
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1439 [18:26:10] <lwp> sufy, do you have that package installed ?
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1444 [18:28:09] <sufy> lwp: yes i have had firmware-realtek
installed, it didn't work so i have removed it to try build
from source
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1448 [18:29:49] <sufy> my particular one says it requires some
troubleshooting editing a config file to disable power management, I
have tried one example on an old debian website but it didn't
help
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1468 [18:46:21] <sufy> lwp: if you are still around, still
troubleshooting, could using a different kernel such as liquorix
make the firmware not work correctly?
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1474 [18:51:23] <lwp> sufy, it is possible. I think you need a
kernel module that knows how to talk to that specific firmware. I
don't know anything about liquorix
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1476 [18:53:07] <lwp> sufy, you definitely need the firmware -- if
you removed firmware-realtek, I hope you succeeded making a
replacement
1477 [18:54:20] <lwp> !zen
1478 [18:54:20] <dpkg> Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana
Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized
for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline.
Liquorix kernel image packages (replaced-url
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1481 [18:57:45] <miskatonic> also not confused with dzen2
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1489 [19:06:46] <soft_concrete> how do I find out which package
includes a certain program on Debian? I'm used to Arch Linux
where I'd use "pkgfile -s program_name"
1490 [19:07:18] <nkuttler> soft_concrete: dpkg -S
1491 [19:08:14] <soft_concrete> well I did that, and I still
don't have a clue which package provides the "dig"
tool on Debian, nkuttler
1492 [19:08:34] <nkuttler> soft_concrete: you did what?
1493 [19:08:36] <phogg> soft_concrete: if it's installed dpkg
-S or (if installed) dlocate. For non-installed packages use
apt-file search
1494 [19:08:46] <soft_concrete> phogg: thanks :)
1495 [19:09:00] <nkuttler> !apt-file
1496 [19:09:00] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which
package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it
is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file &&
apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to
see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular
expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me
about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>,
<dlocate>.
1497 [19:09:12] <phogg> soft_concrete: also, dnsutils
1498 [19:09:50] <lwp> or, here in IRC, you can do this:
1499 [19:09:55] <lwp> ,file /usr/bin/dig
1500 [19:09:59] <judd> Search for /usr/bin/dig in buster/amd64:
dnsutils: usr/bin/dig
1501 [19:10:25] <lwp> (like phogg said, already)
1502 [19:10:41] <phogg> soft_concrete: packages.debian.org is
another option if you can't install apt-file -- you can get
some useful answers that way
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1504 [19:11:59] <zmoo> hello debian channel
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1506 [19:12:21] <zmoo> gcc version 3,4,26 was required for a
compile suggestions?
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1509 [19:13:05] <karlpinc> zmoo: Ok.
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1513 [19:13:38] <zmoo> current is Debian 8.3.0-6
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1516 [19:14:00] <karlpinc> zmoo: You have a question?
1517 [19:14:29] <zmoo> looks like the latest dosent have the
3.4.26 libary
1518 [19:14:31] <zmoo> link
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1521 [19:15:03] <zmoo> I guess I feel like asking am I going to
need to compile gcc to get this?
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1523 [19:15:44] <zmoo> is there a newer source reccomended?
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1527 [19:19:54] <lwp> zmoo, exactly what library are you looking
for ?
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1533 [19:24:28] <zmoo> not sure compiling openwrt kernel throws
error on make.
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1537 [19:25:21] <zmoo> it says GLIBCXX version 3.4.26 not found
1538 [19:25:32] <zmoo> and its right its not on the system
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1540 [19:25:47] <somiaj> ,v libc6
1541 [19:25:49] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie:
2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security:
2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye:
2.30-4; sid: 2.30-4; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0
1542 [19:25:54] <zmoo> I have GLIBCXX 3.4.25 and thats the latest
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1544 [19:26:07] <zmoo> im on buster
1545 [19:26:09] <somiaj> zmoo: do you ahve the development headers
installed too?
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1547 [19:26:38] <zmoo> I probably dont
1548 [19:26:57] <somiaj> I'm not sure what package you would
need, not getting any serach results with glibcxx
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1550 [19:27:36] <zmoo> this is the error >>
replaced-url
1551 [19:27:47] <zmoo> but the solution is for a different system
1552 [19:27:55] <zmoo> anyway dev headers
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1558 [19:32:03] <b14s> hi, i've setup hostapd, and
isc-dhcp-server to provide a hotspot within my home. mobiles stuck
on obtaining ip. and I can see in the dhcp log that it stuck on
dhcpdiscover/dhcpoffer, but that's it. what can be the issue?
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1563 [19:35:37] <lwp> zmoo, maybe you should check in
replaced-url
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1568 [19:37:37] <nagetier> Hello, i cant install a package listed
on packages.debian.org in testing within 10.3 where buster-backports
in source.list are enabled. Using 'apt -t buster-backports
'package'' shows only the installed buster version, a
'upgrade' find more than 50 packages, but not
'libffado2' 2.4.2-1, the one I'm searching.
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1571 [19:39:09] <somiaj> testing is not buster-backports, they are
different repos. And don't install testing packages in stable
1572 [19:39:20] <somiaj> buster-backports is a select very few
testing packages that have been built for buster.
1573 [19:39:51] <nagetier> ah, okay, thanks, I miss that
information.
1574 [19:40:07] <somiaj> !ssb
1575 [19:40:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
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1577 [19:40:15] <somiaj> you can create your own backports if
needed.
1578 [19:40:16] <nagetier> thx
1579 [19:40:24] <somiaj> ,check-backport libffado2
1580 [19:40:25] <judd> Backporting package libffado2 in
sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
buster.
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1582 [19:40:35] <somiaj> seems the libary you want to backport
should be able to be built in buster.
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1584 [19:40:48] <nagetier> okay, nice to hear
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1593 [19:48:48] <nagetier> thx somiaj, going to read
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1685 [20:47:07] <jjakob> How do I force apt-get --reinstall to
replace all package files that were modified?
1686 [20:47:20] <jjakob> Dpkg options force-overwrite?
1687 [20:47:21] <dpkg> jjakob: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
1688 [20:47:45] <jjakob> I'm not talking to you dpkg
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1694 [20:48:29] <jjakob> maybe force-confmiss
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1701 [20:50:02] <sney> !confmiss
1702 [20:50:02] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging
system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is
assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall
$packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the
package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about
<ucf confmiss>.
1703 [20:50:28] <jjakob> nope, confmiss doesn't work
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1705 [20:50:35] <jjakob> I modified a config file
1706 [20:50:45] <sney> well, you would need to get a list of the
modified packages first
1707 [20:50:53] <jjakob> I want to restore the package's one
first
1708 [20:50:58] <jjakob> I know the package
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1710 [20:51:09] <jjakob> from dpkg -S
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1712 [20:52:23] <metbsd> i'm confused about useradd and
adduser
1713 [20:52:27] <metbsd> what's the difference
1714 [20:52:36] <sney> I know it's possible because debconf
does it on package upgrades. I'm not sure how to force that to
accept the default config files though.
1715 [20:52:39] <metbsd> when i use adduser how do i specify user
primary group?
1716 [20:52:52] <sney> metbsd: they are both legacy utilities that
can do roughly the same thing but have different behavior
1717 [20:52:52] <metbsd> since adduser is more recommended
1718 [20:52:56] <joepublic> the user's primary group with
adduser will be the username
1719 [20:53:02] <sney> adduser is slightly more user friendly.
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1721 [20:53:11] <metbsd> all legacy? so which one i use?
1722 [20:53:21] <sney> legacy doesn't mean "don't
use"
1723 [20:53:36] <metbsd> joepublic, then each user has their own
group?
1724 [20:53:40] <joepublic> useradd is more of a tool, adduser is
more of a wizard
1725 [20:53:43] <metbsd> shouldn't they be all in user?
1726 [20:53:55] <jjakob> Tried UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1, no changr
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1728 [20:54:15] <joepublic> 'all in user' ?
1729 [20:54:21] <metbsd> shouldn't all user be in
'users' group?
1730 [20:54:33] <metbsd> why every user has their own group?
1731 [20:54:38] <metbsd> i don't get it
1732 [20:54:51] <jjakob> I can't purge it since it has other
packages depending on it
1733 [20:55:16] <joepublic> metbsd, not by default they are not
added to a group 'users', no
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1737 [20:55:46] <joepublic> the group name being the same as the
username is often used in setting file permissions
1738 [20:56:12] <metbsd> yes that's what im asking,
shouldn't they be added to the group 'users' instead
of a group by their own username?
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1741 [20:56:41] <metbsd> what's the group 'users'
for?
1742 [20:57:03] <joepublic> you can do that if you want, but
it's not done by default. I guess that's my question for
you, what do you need the group 'users' for?
1743 [20:57:27] <metbsd> so now it becomes: joe:joe,
jane:jane,tom:tom,
1744 [20:57:43] <metbsd> i thought they should be
joe:users,jane:users,tom:users
1745 [20:58:14] <joepublic> users can be in more than one group,
so joe is in the group joe, but also in the groups cdrom, floppy,
audio, video, etc.
1746 [20:58:27] <joepublic> it's kind of a given that any
certain user is a user, by definition
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1749 [20:59:16] <metbsd> 'cdrom floppy audio video' are
supplementary groups. i know
1750 [20:59:24] <metbsd> but there's only one primary group,
right?
1751 [20:59:32] <metbsd> one primary group for a user
1752 [21:00:04] <metbsd> what's the benefit to create so many
groups 'jane john tom ted blabla'
1753 [21:00:07] <joepublic> no, just groups. not a primary and
some supplementary.
1754 [21:00:30] <joepublic> the group name being the same as the
username is often used in setting file permissions [rerun brought to
you by joepublic(tm)]
1755 [21:01:06] <metbsd> if you check the man page, you find
'A list of supplementary groups which the user is also a member
of.
1756 [21:01:11] <metbsd> that's for -G option
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1758 [21:02:17] <metbsd> so if i make them
'joe:users,jane:users', will there be potential problem in
the future?
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1760 [21:02:35] <joepublic> no, I don'
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1762 [21:02:53] <joepublic> don't know of any software that
counts on a user being a member of a group named the same as the
user
1763 [21:03:54] <metbsd> so it's safe to make all users in
the group name of 'users'?
1764 [21:04:02] <joepublic> it's safe.
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1766 [21:04:26] <metbsd> i user adduser instead of useradd?
1767 [21:04:29] <metbsd> i use
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1769 [21:04:39] <joepublic> think about your file permissions, and
make sure you are lock down group permissions, if everyone is in the
same group.
1770 [21:04:57] <joepublic> use whichever you like, adduser just
takes less fiddling.
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1775 [21:05:59] <joepublic> bsd is arguably unix, but
'Gnu's Not Unix'
1776 [21:06:05] <jjakob> Well, I just unpacked the deb with
dpkg-deb and cp'ed the file by hand
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1779 [21:08:06] <metbsd> no i use debian only now
1780 [21:08:12] <metbsd> i'm done with bsd
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1782 [21:08:29] <joepublic> something wrong with it, or you just
prefer debian? curious
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1784 [21:09:43] <metbsd> i just prefer debian
1785 [21:09:52] <metbsd> less bugs
1786 [21:10:01] <metbsd> and more compatible
1787 [21:10:10] <joepublic> okay. thanks.
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1789 [21:10:48] <metbsd> no, thank you
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1803 [21:15:41] <annadane> i think users should start with linux
and then try bsd in a safe environment
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1805 [21:15:50] <annadane> it's more manual, or at least
freebsd is
1806 [21:16:05] <annadane> i get frustrated when i try using bsd
and that's nothing against it, it's just different
paradigms
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1810 [21:17:14] <joepublic> base, ports, packages => packages
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1813 [21:19:14] <metbsd> don't get me wrong. bsd is a good
unix system
1814 [21:20:00] <metbsd> it's just less compatible in
applications and buggy because of smaller community compare to linux
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1816 [21:20:09] <metbsd> plus debian is pretty good
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1818 [21:20:31] <Mrbuck> Hi what is that default RDP client
installed in debian I forgot its name
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1822 [21:21:47] <epsilon> you mean rdesktop?
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1832 [21:29:24] <Mrbuck> epsilon: not sure, I used to have one on
default forgot its name
1833 [21:29:59] <lpancescu> hi, does it make any difference if i
install XFCE using XFCE CD 1 compared to netinst? i assume the same
preseed file should work with both isos, right?
1834 [21:31:28] <sney> they both give you the same packages in the
install, the only difference is what's in the actual iso
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1836 [21:31:56] <lpancescu> sney: thanks!
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1838 [21:32:12] <sney> np
1839 [21:32:37] <sney> to see what those packages are, you can
look at
replaced-url
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1844 [21:36:10] <lpancescu> thanks
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1848 [21:43:59] <Mrbuck> is it rdesktop ? I couldn;t find its
images
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1854 [21:50:15] * lwp started with bsd (forgot what flavor) in a dial-up
shell account at msen in Ann Arbor, from my 8088 running kermit.
Eventually got a used 486 and downloaded (via kermit) the
pile-O-floppies to install SLS linux.
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1900 [22:32:17] <Mrbuck> Can someone check for me in debian
gnome...what is that default rdp client
1901 [22:32:31] <Mrbuck> its not remmina or rdesktop
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1905 [22:34:16] <lwp> looks like vinagre maybe
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1909 [22:36:31] <Mrbuck> lwp: yes it is thank you
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1938 [22:57:35] <mzajc> How would I go about installing AMDGPU-PRO
drivers on Debian?
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1942 [23:00:53] <petn-randall> mzajc: Is there a reason you need
that specific driver?
1943 [23:01:05] <mzajc> Yes, for Blender.
1944 [23:01:35] <mzajc> It seems like the opensource AMDGPU
doesn't include OpenCL support, which is required by Cycles.
1945 [23:03:16] <petn-randall> mzajc: I guess you have to install
it from amd directly.
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1947 [23:03:53] <mzajc> And how would I do that? Using the
installation script errors out on building the DKMS module. It being
built and tested for Ubuntu doesn't help either.
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1950 [23:05:00] <sney> do you already have build-essential and
your kernel's headers installed?
1951 [23:05:19] <sney> also, usually the dkms make.log will tell
you exactly what went wrong
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1954 [23:07:29] <mzajc> Yes, I have the headers and
build-essential.
1955 [23:08:09] <mzajc> sney: I can send the build log if you
could do anything with it, I don't know what when wrong from
it.
1956 [23:08:33] <joepublic> what kernel version(s) does it target
vs. what kernel version do you have?
1957 [23:08:33] <sney> you can pastebin it if you want
1958 [23:09:19] <mzajc> target is 5.4.7.33, I have 5.5.0-1
1959 [23:09:23] <sney> the current amdgpu-pro installer targets
whatever is in ubuntu 18, but they list "compatibility"
for a bunch of different linux releases so it should be fairly broad
1960 [23:09:50] <mzajc> Here it is:
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1962 [23:13:25] <mzajc> sney: would it be possible to change the
erroneous source file to fix the issue?
1963 [23:13:28] <sney> 5.4.7.33 is the amdgpu version, not the
kernel it's supposed to work with.
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1966 [23:14:04] <mzajc> I see. I suppose it's the thing
Ubuntu 18 has.
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1968 [23:14:27] <sney> possible? yes, but that would require - at
the very least - internal knowledge of how the driver works and how
that part of the kernel works. AMD will probably do this themselves
eventually
1969 [23:14:43] <sney> in the meantime, try rolling back to an
older kernel like the 5.4 that was in testing until recently. see if
that builds
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1971 [23:15:10] <joepublic> if you like newer kernels, dkms is Not
Your Friend
1972 [23:15:46] <mzajc> And where can I get the headers for those
kernels? Or can I just use the 5.5 ones?
1973 [23:15:57] <sney> nvidia-driver cooperated fine with 5.5 on
my system. it varies. but yes, out-of-tree stuff lags behind the
bleeding edge
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1977 [23:17:07] <sney> you can get every package ever uploaded
from snapshot.debian.org. linux-headers-5.4.0-4-amd64 and -common
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1979 [23:19:28] <sney> ubuntu is pretty cagey about kernel
versions on their wiki for some reason but it looks like 18.04 had a
4.15 kernel and eventually had some kind of 5.x available as an
optional upgrade. chances are good that AMD only targeted the former
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1992 [23:25:26] <mzajc> Gonna reboot into 5.4 now
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2009 [23:34:37] <schmuck> Hi. Is debian safe to use for a girl
that's about to turn 17? (me)
2010 [23:34:45] <mzajc> Absolutely.
2011 [23:34:55] <mzajc> DKMS installation worked. So much for
frontwards compatibility, AMD.
2012 [23:34:59] <schmuck> okay, I'll install it then.
2013 [23:35:15] <mzajc> Geez, why is it builting it for the new
kernel
2014 [23:35:24] <mzajc> don't do that
2015 [23:35:26] <mzajc> no
2016 [23:35:28] <mzajc> bad
2017 [23:35:29] <sney> dkms will attempt a build for all headers
on the system
2018 [23:35:44] <mzajc> I hope that won't cause dpkg to fail
2019 [23:35:59] <sney> iirc it won't
2020 [23:36:27] <mzajc> it still does waste my time
2021 [23:36:35] <sney> rip
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2023 [23:37:48] <mzajc> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an
error code (1)
2024 [23:37:50] <mzajc> o/
2025 [23:38:00] <mzajc> uninstalling the newer kernel it is, then
2026 [23:38:05] <sney> just the headers
2027 [23:38:21] <mzajc> right, that does help matters a bit
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