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0[00:00:03] <naptastic> areplaced-url
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3[00:00:19] <woenx> and what did you do if you got an error?
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5[00:00:29] <woenx> I get "completed: read failure"
on the short test in one of the disks
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6[00:01:06] <woenx> ohhh, the lower the test number, the more
recent! (damn, that's counterintuitive)
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7[00:01:07] <syslq> Replaced the drive, it has only happened
2x over the years
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9[00:01:27] <woenx> so I got that error when the drive was
3711 hours old, and I got it now when it's 5974 hours old
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11[00:02:02] <woenx> wait, it can't be
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13[00:02:19] <woenx> those disks are much older
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14[00:02:20] <syslq> I'm not overly familiar with this
topic though, I've used smartmon just for my personal stuf, at
work we had hw arrayed storages
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18[00:03:31] <woenx> well, it's also for my home, and
everything is backed up, so nothing critical
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19[00:03:52] <Megaf> naptastic: I dont think there is, not in
Debian at least
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20[00:04:06] <syslq> Exactly, if your backup is in order and
it's just your laptop/wks, who cares really. When it dies you
replace it :)
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24[00:05:01] <woenx> I guess it's just peace of mind
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26[00:05:48] <woenx> anyway, I think i'll just run the
long test and check the results a few hours later and send an email
with a summary
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27[00:06:03] <naptastic> I could go for more "peace of
mind" tools in Debian. Like having sysstat turned on by
default.
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29[00:07:12] <PlainDave> No matter what I do, I can't get
my computer to install Debian. I've tried just about
everything, including setting my bios to boot the usb drive first. I
can install any flavor of Ubuntu with no problem, however. Any help
would be appreciated.
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30[00:07:34] <woenx> yay, new toys! I didn't know about
systat
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31[00:07:41] <annadane> PlainDave, how did you prepare the
image and where does it fail?
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34[00:08:46] <PlainDave> Okay. I "burnt" the .iso to
the thumbdrive using Rufus for Win10. My bios doesn't even
recognize the thumbdrive.
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36[00:08:52] <PlainDave> that's where it fails.
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37[00:09:12] <syslq> PlainDave, you used rufus for ubuntu too?
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38[00:09:14] <PlainDave> annadane, Oh sorry. I should've
addressed to you.
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39[00:09:22] <annadane> PlainDave, try it with win32diskimager
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40[00:09:24] <annadane> !win32diskimager
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41[00:09:24] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
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45[00:09:55] <PlainDave> No, I used an ubuntu program called
Startup Disk Creator.
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48[00:10:17] <woenx> PlainDave, you could use "dd"
instead
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49[00:10:50] <woenx> I'm not sure if the Startup Disk
Creator only works for creating ubuntu-related boot drives
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50[00:10:51] <PlainDave> woenx, I'm not afraid to use
terminal commands, but "dd" sort of scares me.
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51[00:10:58] <syslq> PlainDave, hm, you probably choosen wrong
partition scheme and target system type in rufus. Or perhaps image
is corrupted. Rufus is good sw, I use it often
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52[00:11:06] <annadane> do *not* use rufus.
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53[00:11:21] <syslq> annadane, any reasoning behind it?
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55[00:11:24] <annadane> !rufus
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56[00:11:24] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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57[00:11:25] <woenx> PlainDave, just be sure that the
destination partition is your usb stick and not some of your
partitions and you'll be fine
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58[00:11:37] <woenx> (you can use lsblk for that)
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59[00:11:41] <syslq> annadane, ok
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60[00:11:48] <woenx> or sudo fdisk -l
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62[00:12:18] <PlainDave> okay. I'll try those suggestions.
I'll be back. :)
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68[00:14:04] <annadane> protip: the "not recommended
tools" like rufus and unetbootin may result in successful
installations for some people
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69[00:14:08] <annadane> but it's not consistent
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74[00:14:51] <syslq> Never gave me any issues that I remember
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80[00:15:22] <woenx> I once tried unetbootin and I wasn't
lucky
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82[00:15:38] <woenx> but that was a long time ago
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83[00:15:38] <syslq> I like dd, it's simple
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84[00:15:42] <woenx> yep, me too
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95[00:22:37] <Guest23129> some understand metasploit
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97[00:23:07] <Guest23129> oiii
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98[00:23:08] <annadane> this isn't really a channel for
pentesting
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99[00:23:09] <Guest23129> allo
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100[00:23:41] <Guest23129> oke
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129[00:44:14] <mango> hello gents
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131[00:44:32] <mango> I would like to install debian on my
laptop
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132[00:45:13] <mango> I am running lenovo thinkpad 0217 -3BG
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133[00:45:56] <mango> It is a old machine...but don't know
if version 9.2 will be ok with it? can anyone tell me please
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135[00:46:46] <annadane> mango, as long as your laptop has these
specs you should be ok
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137[00:47:06] <annadane>
replaced-url
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148[00:53:39] <mango> annadane, thank you....that was
helpfull....one more question please?
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149[00:54:03] <annadane> as many as you like :P
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152[00:55:59] <mango> would an amd64 debian version works with
an Intel core i3 cpu u388...laptop, or do I need another
version.,.,.(sorry, it does not mention in the spec)
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153[00:55:59] <mango> ?
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154[00:56:39] <annadane> afaik that should be fine but i'll
let someone else answer that
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160[01:02:59] <annadane> intel is generally amd64
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161[01:03:08] <mango> annadane: thanks for the help....always
great to be here ....you shall see me a lot after I have all
running.
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177[01:11:58] <Kate6> Yeah I'm running Debian 9.2.1 on an
Acer 5253-BZ602 laptop, AMD E-350 (dual core 64bit) CPU based...
Runs wonderfully.
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181[01:12:49] <sn00p> Hello, I installed debian on my computer
and I rebooted after install and it runs through everything and when
it comes to fsck it freezes can anybody tell me what might be wrong?
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182[01:13:04] <Kate6> Your hard drive might be dying.
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183[01:13:11] <sn00p> no
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184[01:13:12] <sn00p> its ssd
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186[01:13:21] <Kate6> SSDs die.
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187[01:13:24] <Kate6> Check the SMART registers?
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188[01:13:24] <naptastic> so, I want to apply the Debian patches
to my kernel, but the tag I want isn't in the repo linked from
the Debian wiki page. I'm guessing it's on someone
else's remote. How do I find / add that?
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190[01:14:46] <annadane> for that matter most computers in
general are amd64
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191[01:14:59] <annadane> but if you don't know how to find
out then that piece of information isn't helpful
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192[01:15:02] <sn00p> Kate6, my ssd works in windows
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195[01:15:07] <sn00p> its working right now
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197[01:15:23] <annadane> sn00p, how did you put the image on
your installation medium
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198[01:15:32] <sn00p> dvd
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199[01:15:41] <annadane> ok, but how did you copy the iso to dvd
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200[01:15:56] <sn00p> I used a wrting tool
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201[01:16:02] <annadane> which writing tool
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202[01:16:09] <sn00p> i cant remember the name
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203[01:16:50] <sn00p> I used the usb boot
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204[01:18:00] <annadane> do you think the program you used might
have been called rufus or unetbootin?
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206[01:18:18] <sn00p> win32
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207[01:18:23] <annadane> okay
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208[01:18:27] <sn00p> it was called
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219[01:21:50] <naptastic> argh, these patches don't apply
cleanly to vanilla 4.13
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220[01:21:52] <ixio2> hey guys can someone help me out with a
kernel question... I am reading AWS server import service and it
says that Debian 6.0.0 – 6.0.8, 7.0.0 – 7.2.0 are
supported. Now when I do a uname -r on this box it says 4.9.0 ... so
how can I best get onto a supported kernel version ?
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221[01:22:31] <ixio2> please :)
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222[01:23:09] <naptastic> ixio2, AWS forces systems onto their
own kernel. GRUB isn't involved, nor any part of your system
configuration. But if something goes wrong with the kernel, complain
to AWS--it's their kernel now, after all :)
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224[01:23:49] <ixio2> I need to import this virtual box machine
into AWS, so I am trying to use the AWS server import service, but I
have to get my kernel onto a supported version
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226[01:24:11] <ixio2> im basically moving a debian box from
on-prem to AWS
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227[01:24:20] <naptastic> hmm... that shouldn't be
necessary, since the kernel guarantees never to break userspace.
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229[01:24:42] <ixio2> their import service throws this error:
"StatusMessage": "ClientError: Unsupported kernel
version 4.9.0-4-amd64",
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230[01:24:45] <Kate6> Does it? When was the last time you did
the Windoze equivalent of an fsck?
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231[01:24:53] <naptastic> (Full disclosure: my company has been
fighting with AWS for literally months to get any meaningful support
at all.)
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233[01:25:31] <naptastic> ixio2, why don't you use one of
their Debian images, and then just rsync the OS over what they
installed?
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234[01:26:03] <ixio2> I suspect they would still detect the
unsupported kernel
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235[01:26:04] <naptastic> or better yet, keep your on-prem
on-prem, so when we all realize that the cloud isn't the
answer, you're one step ahead of them
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237[01:26:42] <naptastic> Maybe--maybe you could operate without
a kernel. (IDK if Debian's kernel depends on *libc or anything
like that.)
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238[01:26:50] <ixio2> lets just pretend I want to upgrade my
kernel from 4 to 6 on-prem.. how would I do that
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241[01:27:08] <naptastic> 4 to 6?
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243[01:27:32] <ixio2> uname tells me 4.9.0-4-amd64
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244[01:27:53] <naptastic> that's what it should tell you
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246[01:28:21] <ixio2> so, Im on stretch and I need to get to
squeeze
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249[01:29:19] <ixio2> isnt there something about debian where
uname -r doesnt actually report the kernel version though? and you
have to use another command?
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251[01:29:58] <naptastic> Debian names their kernels funny--they
don't represent the upstream name--and they apply a number of
patches to the kernels they distribute.
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252[01:30:11] <naptastic> 4.9.0-4 is the current kernel version
for Debian Jessie.
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254[01:30:36] <ixio2> right ok, my sources is full of
"stretch"
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259[01:31:19] <naptastic> errr
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260[01:31:23] <naptastic> that's what I meant
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261[01:31:31] <naptastic> Jessie is oldstable and is on
3.16-series kernel
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263[01:31:36] <annadane> jessie is 3.16 :P
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264[01:31:39] <naptastic> sorry, it's been a long time
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265[01:31:40] <annadane> ^
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266[01:31:45] <naptastic> s/time/day/
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267[01:31:51] <naptastic> ...a really long day...
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268[01:31:55] <annadane> sounds like naptastic needs a nap
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269[01:32:05] <naptastic> a fantastic nap
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270[01:32:24] <naptastic> which reminds me, time to take a
Benadryl so I can actually sleep tonight
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274[01:34:30] <naptastic> anyone happen to know if the 4.13.13
patches in the debian-kernel git are supposed to be applied to
4.13.13 or 4.13?
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275[01:34:47] <naptastic> (read carefully; the numbers are
confusing)
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278[01:37:21] <somiaj> If the patches are for 4.13.13 than I
assume you need the actual 4.13.13 kernel. Note I don't think
there is actually a 4.13 kernel, the actual version number might be
4.13.0 or something, because they do allow stable releaes to have
sub-versions
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280[01:38:22] <annadane> 4.13.13 is the stable kernel
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281[01:38:24] <naptastic> yeah, the numbering is a little weird.
Starting from 4.13.13 (downloaded from kernel.org) the patches
don't apply cleanly, which is annoying.
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282[01:38:36] <annadane> (not stable as in debian stretch)
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283[01:38:44] <naptastic> right
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284[01:38:49] <naptastic> what's the name of the one after
stretch?
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285[01:38:52] <annadane> buste
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286[01:38:53] <annadane> buster
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288[01:39:06] <naptastic> buster... how am I going to make
myself remember that...
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289[01:39:13] <somiaj> it could be the patches are for a
previous 4.13.x version, the revesions usually only include bug
fixes, it and might be some of the patches in the debain patchest
were bugfixes that are now in the mainline stable kernel.
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290[01:39:27] <naptastic> oooohhhh that's a good point
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291[01:39:33] <somiaj> any reason you are applying the patches
as opposed to just getting a debian kernel or debian kernel source
directly?
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293[01:39:44] <ixio2> so what are the code names for Debian
6.0.0 – 6.0.8, 7.0.0 – 7.2.0
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294[01:39:53] <ixio2> bullseye = 6 ?
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295[01:39:57] <ixio2> or
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296[01:40:14] <annadane> 10
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297[01:40:18] <ixio2> debian has its version, which has a code
name, which uses a kernel version
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298[01:40:19] <ixio2> :s
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299[01:40:19] <naptastic> I thought 6 was Lenny, 7 was Wheezy, 8
was Jessie
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300[01:40:25] <annadane> 6 is squeeze
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301[01:40:33] <ixio2> those are kernel versions I think, rather
than debian versions
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302[01:40:35] <naptastic> squeeze, that's right
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303[01:40:40] <somiaj> 9 = stretch, 8 = jessie, 7 = wheezy, 6
squeeze, 5 lenny, and about that time the versions changed.
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304[01:40:51] <ixio2> oh wait shit, its debian version
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305[01:40:53] <ixio2> argh
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306[01:40:58] <annadane> oh, sorry
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307[01:41:01] <annadane> bullseye is 11, buster is 10
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308[01:41:02] <ixio2> so wtf was 7 then
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309[01:41:05] <annadane> 7 is wheezy
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310[01:41:06] <ixio2> wheezy
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311[01:41:09] <ixio2> fml
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312[01:41:26] <ixio2> im just gonna start again
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313[01:41:29] <ixio2> thanks
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314[01:41:45] <somiaj> and somewhere the version number change,
so thus we don't have things like 6.0.2 anymore, as each
release is given a new major number.
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316[01:42:26] <ixio2> I need to get from stretch to wheezy is
that even possible ?
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318[01:42:45] <annadane> yes but you need to go through jessie
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319[01:42:52] <ixio2> I hope jessie is hot
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320[01:43:04] <somiaj> ixio2: no, you cannot downgrade
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323[01:43:11] <ixio2> dang
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324[01:43:11] <ixio2> ok
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325[01:43:12] <annadane> oh. "stretch to wheezy"
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326[01:43:13] <ixio2> ill start again
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327[01:43:17] * naptastic withholds a crude comment
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328[01:43:17] <annadane> yeah, what somiaj said
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329[01:43:30] <annadane> i, meanwhile, am going to take reading
classes
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330[01:43:35] <ixio2> hehe
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331[01:43:37] <somiaj> debian packages are designed to only be
upgraded, and they are designed to be upgraded one release at a
time.
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333[01:43:48] <somiaj> so you don't want to skip releases,
but if you want an older release, reinstall.
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335[01:44:23] <annadane> this being said if the service requires
ancient versions of debian maybe it isn't a very good service
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336[01:44:44] <ixio2> its AWS.. so shrug
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337[01:44:58] <annadane> it's also possible they don't
require it and the documentation was never updated... i have no idea
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338[01:45:14] <somiaj> what? you should be able to run any
current of version on AWS, there are even some what offical (in that
debian people make them) debian images for aws already.
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339[01:45:17] <ixio2> AWS SMS threw me a kernel version error
when I tried stretch
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341[01:45:42] <ixio2> "StatusMessage":
"ClientError: Unsupported kernel version 4.9.0-4-amd64"
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343[01:46:08] <somiaj> you are still being quite vague on your
actual issue and why this has anything to do with debian versions
now.
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345[01:46:39] <somiaj> So is this an actualy vps on AWS cloud,
or you talking about some software designed to talk to the aws api
or some part of it like their stroage?
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346[01:47:23] <naptastic> AMI's stupid system sends an SMS
message if it thinks something is wrong. That, if I'm
understanding correctly, is the source of the error message.
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347[01:47:25] <ixio2> im trying to move a debian box from my
home PC to AWS so I can run it 24/7 with public IP etc, that box was
running stretch, when I used the AWS server migration service it
told me the kernel was not supported, the documentation that I read
subsequently suggested that only debian 6 and 7 kernels are
supported
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348[01:47:34] <godane> hey everyone
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350[01:47:47] <godane> i'm making a debian live image using
aufs
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351[01:48:02] <godane> for some reason aufs goes into read-only
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353[01:48:14] <godane> but overlayfs works just fine
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354[01:49:28] <somiaj> ixio2: I haven't used AWS in a
while, but my suggestion is get ahold of one of the
'offical' debian stretch images on AWS, and then just
configure it/copy over what you need (vs converting your current
stretch install to aws) -- that maybe the easier approach.
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356[01:49:49] <annadane> !xy problem
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357[01:49:49] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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360[01:50:54] <annadane> what they probably mean is "tested
on debian 6 so we recommend you use debian 6"
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361[01:51:14] <somiaj> godane: live images by default are put on
read-only filesystem, so that may have something to do with it.
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362[01:51:22] <ixio2> no it categorically will not work, its not
just a warning
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363[01:51:49] <ixio2> its cool, thanks, I am gonna try pushing
it up on wheezy and then do an in place upgrade after snapshot
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364[01:52:02] <somiaj> why? Why not just get a premade stretch
image, they exist.
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365[01:52:39] <ixio2> I wanted to use the netinstaller, im
trying to get the whole OS/system into a very small footprint
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366[01:52:57] <ixio2> 23MB RAM
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367[01:52:59] <somiaj> the premade images are fairly small to
start out with
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373[01:58:00] <woenx> Still messing with smartctl. It is
possible to know at that date/time a test was run?
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374[01:58:23] <woenx> using the smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdX
only indicates the number and the lifetime
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377[01:59:06] <infornography> ello
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379[01:59:25] <naptastic> yeah, you have to calculate based on
the power-on hours. Depending on what information you have, it may
not be possible.
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385[02:01:50] <woenx> Ahm, I'd have liked if they also
showed the hour and date of when the test was run
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393[02:05:13] <naptastic> it sure would.
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396[02:06:43] <naptastic> woenx, smartctl tells you how many
power-on hours the drive has, and the test results tells you the
number of power-on hours when the test was run. If the drive has
been running continuously, subtract the test hours from the power-on
hours and you'll know how long ago it was.
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397[02:07:01] <woenx> Yes, that was my only guess
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398[02:07:02] <woenx> thanks
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399[02:07:06] <naptastic> np
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400[02:07:26] <naptastic> it would be great if they could
determine the exact time; alas, the protocol makes it impossible.
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403[02:08:04] <woenx> why? couldn't they just add a
timestamp?
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406[02:08:34] <naptastic> The ATA standard is ancient, and it
didn't make sense to include timestamps at the time.
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408[02:09:06] <naptastic> It's like how VGA -> DVI ->
HDMI don't include resolution information. EDID is as close as
we got, and it's kind of a piece of crap.
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409[02:09:32] <naptastic> It wasn't until DisplayPort that
we started handling display data in a sensible way.
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415[02:11:41] <woenx> oh so that data isn't saved in the
filesystem?
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416[02:11:53] <woenx> but in the disk smart paramters
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420[02:12:07] <naptastic> Of course--the disk has no idea what
kind of filesystem is on it
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421[02:12:21] <naptastic> it doesn't know or care about the
partition table. It just stores blocks.
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424[02:13:01] <naptastic> anyway, I'm going to reboot into
a kernel that's EOL but actually works, and then I'm going
to get some real work done... Good luck.
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457[02:36:38] <wr> i noticed a typo bug on this text
replaced-url
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463[02:39:38] <somiaj> I doubt a bug for the release notes in an
outdated release would be of much interest to anyone? Does that
still appear in the stretch release notes?
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464[02:40:03] <somiaj> the document should say what package to
file a bug against for bugs found in the release notes.
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474[02:42:48] <kingsley> a
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475[02:42:49] <kingsley> tall
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476[02:42:51] <kingsley> dark
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477[02:42:57] <kingsley> handsome
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478[02:43:03] <kingsley> Debian user
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479[02:43:28] <kingsley> said a program named "melt"
was crashing with
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480[02:43:46] <kingsley> /usr/bin/melt(+0x2d26)
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481[02:44:01] <kingsley> and he was wondering if
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482[02:44:06] <kingsley> the Debian project
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483[02:44:13] <kingsley> in its infinite wisdom
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484[02:44:32] <kingsley> already provides compiler and/or link
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485[02:44:40] <kingsley> *with hex offsets*
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486[02:45:11] <kingsley> so he could look up which line of
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489[02:45:45] <n4dir> !enter
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490[02:45:45] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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501[02:54:35] <godane> it maybe mount.aufs causes a problem with
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572[03:44:17] <archiebald> hey guys, what could cause a debian 9
on dual boot on a mac to have a much slower internet speed than
another mac macosx sierra and an iphone on the same home network?
tested all three devices speed on speedtest.net, I get way over
80Mbitps on the mac and on the iphone, and only 7~8Mbitps on the
debian?
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577[03:45:34] <archiebald> the debian is on a macbook pro 2011,
installed the broadcom driver, the other devices are much more
recent. Any ideas? could it be that it's an older device? wrong
broadcom driver? wrong configuration?
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578[03:45:48] <archiebald> any idea in which direction I could
look? thanks a lot
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580[03:46:25] <t0no6a> archiebal : perhaps something relative to
the driver of your wifi card
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583[03:48:16] <t0no6a> archiebald . open source driver vs
proprietary driver .... bad comparison
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584[03:48:17] <mutante> archiebald: what is name of the
currently installed driver/module
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586[03:48:43] <mutante> archiebald: compare to
replaced-url
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595[03:52:44] <archiebald> mutante: from the debian wiki page it
mentions that a apt-get install firmware-b43-install will download
the driver package which then choose the right driver to install, I
did a lspci to check the chip and it says BCM4322 rev1. I am not
sure which module got installed, how can I check that?
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598[03:54:39] <mutante> archiebald: lsmod
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599[03:55:33] <mutante> archiebald: well, b43-install already
sounds like the new one ..
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600[03:56:03] <mutante> archiebald: lsmod | grep b43
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604[03:57:54] <archiebald> mutante: lsmod | grep b43 returns a
few lines : b43, bcma, mac80211, cfg80211, rng_core, ssb, mmc_core
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606[03:58:57] <mutante> archiebald: yea, uhm.. so. it seems you
are not the only one, i dont have much better, but start reading
from
replaced-url
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608[03:59:08] <archiebald> is it possible that I just won't
ever have an internet connection as fast as it is on my other
devices, is it possible that it's just a limitation of using
older 2010 material?
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611[03:59:49] <PlainDave> I just installed Debian w/Xfce. I get
to the login screen, but I wasn't asked/prompted for a user
name and password during installation. Any help would be
appreciated.
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612[03:59:52] <archiebald> mutante: thanks for the help and the
direction, I'll read more and see what's what
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615[04:01:10] <n4dir> PlainDave: if you did enter a root
password, you might switch to a tty, login as root and adduser
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617[04:01:27] <n4dir> to add a user. But something is wrong. You
sure get asked for a username during installation
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618[04:01:36] <t0no6a> archiebald : broadcom drivers always get
problems
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619[04:01:53] <n4dir> PlainDave: which media did you use for
installation?
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621[04:02:29] <PlainDave> n4dir, I used a thumbdrive. No, I
wasn't prompted for a user name or password.
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623[04:02:41] <n4dir> I meant which iso?
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624[04:03:16] <n4dir> to put it more clear: did you use the live
CD ?
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625[04:03:35] <n4dir> clear
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628[04:04:08] <archiebald> t0no6a: I see ...
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629[04:04:11] <archiebald> thanks
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630[04:04:22] <PlainDave> yeah, from my thumbdrive. I
"burnt" the .iso "debian-9.2.1-amd64-xfce-CD-1"
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634[04:05:20] <n4dir> Try ctlr+alt+F2 , to get a tty
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636[04:06:02] <archiebald> the thing is, the other devices are
all using broadcom, but they don't have any issues, is the
problem only because it's on a linux?
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645[04:09:00] <binary106> hi guys, just noticed /sbin/agetty has
used 4500 hours of my cpu.. any ideas why/how to disable it?
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649[04:11:56] <Voldenet> binary106: I guess you could change
your inittab
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650[04:13:02] <binary106> how do i do that?
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653[04:13:56] <Voldenet> hm, some time ago you basically had to
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655[04:14:21] <Voldenet> but I'm not sure if systemd
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658[04:15:21] <binary106> so this is a server with lots of
docker containers running. i'm wondering if it's even from
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659[04:15:28] <binary106> all i have is the PID usng 100% cpu
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667[04:18:52] <archiebald> hey guys, one more question about
this wifi driver thing: my network is not slow, well for some it
might seems like but objectively, 8Mbps is not slow, it's only
that it doesn't get to the 80-90Mbps I am used to ... should I
just give up and accept that, on my Debian, wifi network speeds will
be limited ?
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669[04:20:28] <Voldenet> binary106: maybe run "docker
stats" first to see the cpu usage of containers
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673[04:21:09] <binary106> thanks - nothing seems to use more
than 1%
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675[04:22:06] <t0no6a> archiebald : it works? if yes then yes,
accept that. If not works,well, the answer is in the air ... accept
that to :-)
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684[04:25:57] <Voldenet> binary106: actually, there's a
thread like that
replaced-url
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686[04:27:05] <Voldenet> (replacing agetty with /bin/true is
truly creative though)
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687[04:28:05] <binary106> so should i stop all my privilaged
containers to see if it's those?
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:'-( it does work, not great but it does. But I guess
that's the kind of things that keep linuses (as in opensource
system, not mogul managed) away from a more mainstream base of
people... other systems seem more "hassle free" but you
gotta pay the price, anyway thanks for your time, appreciated
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696[04:33:05] <n4dir> mine doesn't work at all (anymore),
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716[04:42:56] <Voldenet> binary106: i've got no idea if
that'd help, just throwing in some random insights, because I
don't have that problem :>
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752[05:02:47] <sn00p> I'm trying to use unetbootin to
create a bootable usb drive to install debian from onmy computer I
created one and the usb drive is not booting any help?
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756[05:03:17] <annadane> i thought we went over this earlier
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757[05:03:22] <annadane> don't use unetbootin, use
win32diskimager
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758[05:03:32] <t0no6a> snOOp : unetbootin isnot working anymore
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762[05:04:10] <t0no6a> write isoimage of debian from windows
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763[05:05:07] <t0no6a> sn==p : try this
replaced-url
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765[05:05:49] <t0no6a> sn00p : ups, sorry wrong link
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771[05:07:36] <t0no6a> sn00p :
replaced-url
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772[05:07:52] <sn00p> i'm downloading win32disk
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782[05:15:26] <phenom> Xfce or Gnome 3?
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784[05:16:48] <annadane> phenom, as in "which one is
better"? subjective obviously, but xfce is awesome in my
experience
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786[05:16:50] <phenom> I haven't really used Gnome 3.
I'm curious if it's worth tainting my Stable install by
installing multiple DEs as I installed Xfce at boot.
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787[05:17:09] <bryanfrommacau> Hi
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788[05:17:11] <phenom> annadane, I've used Xfce
consistently since Gnome 2
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790[05:17:18] <annadane> hmm... well, some people have said that
DEs can conflict, but i don't know under which circumstances or
which ones
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792[05:17:49] <phenom> But I recently tried KDE Plasma and admit
that it is flippin beautiful. I'm curious about the development
of Gnome 3.
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793[05:18:07] <annadane> i personally wouldn't touch gnome
with a 10 foot pole but that's just me
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796[05:18:33] <bryanfrommacau> What are the recommended minimum
system requirements for Debian with Mate?
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797[05:19:25] <annadane> bryanfrommacau,
replaced-url
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799[05:19:27] <phenom> I am one of those people that have said
DEs conflict. :( I'm hoping someone says: "No it's OK
to install and try gnome 3, it's easier to uninstall it than it
was x years ago if you don't like it."
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801[05:20:19] <phenom> blah, I may just boot a live version and
tinker around with it.
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802[05:20:21] <annadane> i guess probably it's those with
high numbers of gtk elements and qt elements
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803[05:20:25] <bryanfrommacau> Thanks :)
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804[05:20:31] <annadane> so gnome + plasma
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805[05:20:45] <annadane> s/elements/dependencies/satan spawn
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806[05:20:53] <bryanfrommacau> But aren't there different
requirements for different desktop environments?
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808[05:21:12] <annadane> bryanfrommacau, if there are the
difference is negligible i believe
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810[05:21:47] <annadane> in any event none of the documentation
makes mention of specific DEs
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811[05:21:59] <annadane> of course, a window manager inherently
uses less resources
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813[05:22:50] <phenom> I think I'd be playing with fire by
mixing them. I don't know why I want to ruin my newly
configured system. :(
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814[05:23:11] <annadane> i mean if you just want to see what
it's like, use a virtual machine
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815[05:23:56] <annadane> but yes with all the dependencies
i'm beyond installing gnome just to check it out - it pulls in
so many packages
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931[06:36:15] <bvl> Hi
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975[07:18:59] <TimEnchanter> Hello
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976[07:19:12] <rant> allo mayte
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977[07:19:31] <TimEnchanter> I am trying to find out how to do
debian install with wifi drivers (netinst)
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978[07:19:31] <klys> hi
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979[07:19:37] <raynold> Lol annadane
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980[07:20:00] <TimEnchanter> There is any unofficial or whatever
image what has wifi drivers in it?
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981[07:20:13] <TimEnchanter> Right now I'm booted from an
old linux mint cd 16
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982[07:20:16] <klys> timenchanter, you probasbly just need the
firmware
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983[07:20:18] <TimEnchanter> no other os.
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984[07:20:32] <rant> TimEnchanter: just put the firmware deb on
a thumbdrive and load it from the installer
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985[07:20:39] <TimEnchanter> so, then what should I do
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986[07:20:43] <TimEnchanter> it's a laptop
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987[07:20:54] <rant> or read the install guide, or use a
different install method
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988[07:21:10] <TimEnchanter> i have to use the install method
available to me
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989[07:21:16] <klys> timenchanter, $ dmesg | grep firmware
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991[07:21:25] <dotc> Seems like the netinst iso is the only
choice if I want to install without gui, isn't it?
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992[07:21:49] <rant> no
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993[07:21:54] <TimEnchanter> [ 9.628846] rtl8192ce: Using
firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cfwU_B.bin
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994[07:21:57] <dotc> I didn't see any software select
screen when I use live iso.
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997[07:22:46] <klys> timenchanter, $ dpkg -S
/lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfwU_B.bin
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998[07:22:47] <rant> neither did I, but I didnt run an expert
mode install
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1000[07:23:20] <TimEnchanter> ,v linux-firmware
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1001[07:23:21] <judd> No package named 'linux-firmware'
was found in amd64.
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1003[07:23:33] <TimEnchanter> judd doesn't show non-free>
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1004[07:23:39] <rant> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
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1005[07:23:40] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free:
20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3;
stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
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1006[07:24:13] <rant> it doesn't show packages that
don't exist
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1010[07:25:15] <klys> timenchanter, get your deb here,
replaced-url
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1019[07:26:04] <archiebald> TimEnchanter: not ethernet cable?
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1021[07:26:18] <klys> timenchanter, get your deb here,
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1022[07:26:30] <TimEnchanter> Sure, but does it depend on
anything else
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1023[07:26:31] <archiebald> Hello room
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1024[07:26:33] <TimEnchanter> sorry im not in debian
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1025[07:26:37] <TimEnchanter> hello archiebald
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1026[07:26:44] <klys> timenchanter, shouldn't
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1027[07:26:55] <TimEnchanter> also, how can I install debian
netinst with this package? at which point do I install it
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1028[07:27:27] <TimEnchanter> I am on linux mint live, no os on
hdd, want to get debian netinst and wifi drivers and install debian
over the network
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1029[07:27:27] <klys> it'll ask you for the deb during the
install process.
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1030[07:27:34] <TimEnchanter> ok
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1031[07:27:53] <klys> make sure you know how to use mount
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1032[07:27:53] <archiebald> I have a quick one, on debian stretch
cinnamon, which config file manages the app/window switcher? I wish
to change what icons are used, I get those mini icons that are
magnified to the most ugly effect
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1034[07:28:05] <TimEnchanter> now, after i make the usb, how can
i put this package on it?
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1035[07:28:05] <TimEnchanter> is the usb still okay to write on?
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1036[07:28:12] <klys> yeah
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1042[07:30:10] <TimEnchanter> ok
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1043[07:30:12] <TimEnchanter> ty
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1175[08:56:04] <UbuntuBuilding> hello everyone, can anyone solve
my debootsrap build error? what is cause i cannot find out
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1176[08:56:49] <klys> ubuntubuilding, best stay out of #debian if
you aren't using debian
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1178[08:57:28] <UbuntuBuilding> is not ubuntu same core as debian
as i try to solve debootstrap error
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1181[08:58:58] <annadane> klys, debootstrap is part of debian
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1182[08:59:11] <annadane> oh, i didn't even notice their
name
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1183[08:59:31] <annadane> anyway, UbuntuBuilding, what's the
error?
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1184[08:59:34] <annadane> !paste
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1185[08:59:34] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1186[09:00:09] <hoxu> I have recently started having frequent
freezes in X (running stretch). They last for some tens of seconds
usually. When I switch to console I see "NVRM: Xid". Using
nvidia drivers. Any ideas what could be causing this?
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1187[09:00:37] <hoxu> I'm thinking nvidia, but I'm
running stretch nvidia drivers that used to work just fine
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1190[09:01:58] <UbuntuBuilding> annadane: thanks for asking,
replaced-url
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1191[09:02:08] <UbuntuBuilding> annadane:
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1192[09:03:07] <UbuntuBuilding> annadane: it is like menace to
me, am no debootstrap, bash expert and i just cannot get past that
message
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1193[09:03:13] <annadane> oh wait, *is* this ubuntu? then i agree
with krys that you're probably better off asking the ubuntu
people
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1195[09:04:12] <annadane> in any event i don't know anything
about debootstrap so i'll let someone else see if they can
answer it
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1196[09:04:18] <UbuntuBuilding> annadane: ok i try again in
there, last time i asked i did not find any debootstrap expert
there. Thanks anyway.
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1284[10:12:03] <ivh> Hi! I use Stretch on a Thinkpad X230,
reliably for years. With the new Firefox I have a problem that it
periodically gets unresponsive. In the terminal that started FF I
see things like "libGL error: failed to load driver: i915"
but when I gogle those I only find years-old threads to bugs that
seem fixed. Any hints on the best way to proceed? Kernel/driver
upgrade? X-config? Telling FF to stop using GL ?
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1335[10:44:32] <docmax> how can i make dkms compress .ko module
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1355[10:50:56] <Sveta> a bot here provides apt-file searches,
how? i don't remember
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1357[10:53:02] <patterson> dir /s
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1358[10:53:13] <patterson> pardon mne
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1428[11:25:35] <cybrNaut> the /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade tool
reduced my security by installing Chromium (w/google spyware) over
top of my existing ungoogled-chromium browser
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1431[11:26:20] <cybrNaut> both the official (insecure) debian
Chromium package and ungoogled-chromium share the same package name
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1434[11:26:36] <cybrNaut> so apparently I got burnt due to the
name sharing
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1435[11:26:42] <bazhang> cybrNaut, no need to chat about the
socalled 'spyware'
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1436[11:27:16] <bazhang> ,v chromium-browser
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1437[11:27:17] <judd> Package: chromium-browser on amd64 --
wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1
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1438[11:27:36] <bazhang> thats the name of chromium cybrNaut
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1442[11:28:34] <cybrNaut> bazhang: on stretch the name is simply
"chromium"
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1443[11:29:09] <cybrNaut> "ii chromium 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1
amd64 web browser"
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1445[11:29:40] <cybrNaut> ,v chromium
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1446[11:29:41] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; sid: 62.0.3202.89-1;
experimental: 63.0.3239.30-1
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1449[11:31:15] <cybrNaut> anyway, i don't suppose there
would have been a practical way to avoid that. I would have had to
know that the pkg name of the official version and
ungoogled-chromium are the same, and then I would have had to pin
the version
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1451[11:31:36] <cybrNaut> i didn't even know I had a
"unattended-upgrade" mahoochy running
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1452[11:31:44] <cybrNaut> guess that's standard now
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1453[11:31:50] <bazhang> mahoochy?
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1454[11:32:06] <cybrNaut> a thingy-ma-bob
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1455[11:32:24] <cybrNaut> a whatcha-ma-callit
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1456[11:32:50] <bazhang> cybrNaut, why not chatter in
#debian-offtopic
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1457[11:32:55] <binary106> hi how can i make sed
's/^ExtendedStatus On$/bl\nahh/' f ignore any tabs/spaces
before the "ExtendStatus" bit , also after the On
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1461[11:34:27] <cybrNaut> maybe something like this
'/^[::blank::]]*ExtendedStatus On$/s/ExtendedStatus
On$/bl\nahh/'
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1462[11:35:10] <cybrNaut> err, my [] are unbalanced.. but you get
the idea
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1463[11:36:42] <binary106> thanks, let me try
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1466[11:37:53] <cybrNaut> i just noticed you mentioned whitespace
after the "On"
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1467[11:38:11] <binary106> it's not as important
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1468[11:38:16] <binary106> but your other thing isnt working
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1469[11:38:18] <cybrNaut> so '/^[[::blank::]]*ExtendedStatus
On/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/'
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1472[11:38:51] <cybrNaut> ah, well i wasn't sure if sed
knows the character set [[::blank::]].. may be a different notation
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1473[11:39:07] <binary106> '/^[[::blank::]]*ExtendedStatus
On/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/'
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1474[11:39:11] <binary106> oops
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1475[11:39:17] <binary106> sed: -e expression #1, char 64:
unterminated address regex
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1481[11:41:19] <cybrNaut> binary106:
replaced-url
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1486[11:41:53] <cybrNaut> so '/^[:blank:]*ExtendedStatus
On/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/'
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1490[11:43:25] <binary106> thanks, i'll have a read
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1494[11:44:10] <cybrNaut> actually two brackets, one colon..
=> '/^[[:blank:]]*ExtendedStatus
On[[:blank:]]*$/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/'
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1577[12:29:19] <^CeLL^> i'm trying to install a tv tuner on
a linux system, i'm getting this issue!
replaced-url
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1578[12:29:23] <^CeLL^> can you help?
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1581[12:30:28] <JPT> Looks like you're missing firmware
blobs.
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1582[12:30:54] <JPT> Check the documentation of what you're
installing to see whether/where you need to fetch them
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1597[12:36:46] <lmw> Hi. I'd like to move from CentOS to
Debian. Anything important I need to know or to do before/while I
install Debian? Like special drivers or so?
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1600[12:37:26] <gpunk> for desktop ?
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1601[12:37:30] <lmw> Yes
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1603[12:37:48] <gpunk> activate non-free , for video drivers if
you want
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1605[12:37:55] <gpunk> and contrib for more software
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1609[12:38:03] <gpunk> it s like EPL for centos/redhat
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1610[12:38:10] <lmw> non-free inclused proprietary drivers I
guess?
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1611[12:38:15] <gpunk> yes
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1612[12:38:18] <lmw> * includes
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1614[12:38:30] <lmw> Oh, I would need them I guess, I have a
Intel WiFi 3160
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1615[12:38:40] <RoyK> gpunk: welcome - to the real woorld :D
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1616[12:38:42] <^CeLL^> JPT; can you point me?
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1617[12:38:49] * RoyK doesn't like CentOS too much
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1618[12:38:59] <lmw> RoyK: :)
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1619[12:39:19] <gpunk> welcome to the real Linux lmw :)
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1620[12:39:33] <lmw> I don't want to start a distribution
war, but in my opinion CentOS isn't made for desktops :)
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1621[12:39:43] <lmw> gpunk: Thanks :P
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1622[12:39:56] <gpunk> yes, i had one , but as a server
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1623[12:39:58] <gpunk> it was ok
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1624[12:40:04] <lmw> as server it's okay
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1625[12:41:01] <lmw> Does the Debian installer only includes free
drivers?
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1626[12:41:12] <lmw> I think I would need a proprietary one for
my WiFi
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1627[12:41:29] <RoyK> I only use debian nowadays, that is,
perhaps ubuntu on some laptop perhaps, but probably not anymore. I
stopped using redhat around 1998 or thereabout. At work,
there's a lot of redhat/centos, though
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1629[12:41:55] <gpunk> lmw free only in install, but then you can
activate them
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1630[12:42:04] <gpunk> after the install
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1631[12:42:17] <lmw> RoyK: Nothing against Red Hat, they have
good products, but for desktops it's a pain
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1632[12:42:20] <RoyK> gpunk: even if you download the dvd?
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1635[12:42:45] <gpunk> hmm i am not sure a 100% i havent
installed for a little while
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1637[12:43:13] <RoyK> lmw: sure, I just like debian better ;)
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1638[12:43:15] <lmw> Hm, I guess I would try it myself with the
installer if my WiFi works during the setup
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1639[12:43:28] <gpunk> :)
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1640[12:43:58] <lmw> Do you use any desktop or window manager? if
so, which one if I may ask?
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1642[12:44:26] <RoyK> lmw: you may need to use cabled network to
get those extra packages to enable wifi - but go ahead
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1645[12:45:02] <lmw> RoyK: Yeah, will try it first. If it
doesn't work, I will plug my Ethernet temporarily in :)
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1649[12:45:44] <L3gacy> So. I got a Dell PE T110 II, E3-1230v2,
8GB RAM, 1TB SAS drive server here. Was FREE. WHat uses can it have?
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1650[12:46:11] <lmw> L3gacy: Whatever you heart wants?
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1651[12:46:22] <L3gacy> It even has a PCI-E 16x slot :)
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1653[12:46:44] <L3gacy> I have a symmetrical 150 fiber connection
to the residence, too
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1654[12:47:00] <lmw> A good use case would be a virtualization
host, if you add more RAM and a second HDD for RAID
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1655[12:47:34] <L3gacy> I also got a 4 sled Synology 413j :)
Free. I hate my $BOSS, but the perks are nice
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1656[12:47:34] <Mathisen> L3gacy, freenas
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1657[12:48:01] <L3gacy> It has an H200 PERC in the Dell, and I
can crossflash that to an LSI 9211-8i? it says
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1658[12:48:09] <RoyK> freenas is freebsd, though
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1659[12:48:18] <lmw> Debian + Nextcloud?
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1660[12:48:19] <lmw> :P
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1661[12:48:36] <RoyK> zfs is nice if you can plan ahead
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1663[12:48:48] <lmw> Doesn't ZFS needs alot of RAM?
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1664[12:48:51] <RoyK> mdraid is better if you can't and want
more flexibility
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1665[12:48:56] <RoyK> not really
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1668[12:49:23] <RoyK> unlees you do something stupid as enabling
dedup
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1669[12:49:35] <lmw> iirc someone told me you need 1-2 GB of RAM
for every hard drive with a capacity of 1 TB
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1670[12:49:51] <lmw> Could be lie, idk
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1671[12:49:54] <lmw> *a lie
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1672[12:50:00] <RoyK> also, zfs needs a bit of memory for
snapshots, typically 1GB per 10,000 snapshots
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1673[12:50:05] <L3gacy> Generally, a GB per TB
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1674[12:50:09] <RoyK> lmw: that's not right
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1675[12:50:24] <RoyK> those numbers are based on requirements for
dedup
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1676[12:50:27] <RoyK> not normal use
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1677[12:50:41] <RoyK> don't use dedup on zfs unless you
*really* now what you're doing
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1678[12:50:41] <^CeLL^> JPT that is not the problem! i've
unpack then to lib/firmware and still get the error!
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1679[12:50:43] <lmw> I think there's no "true"
answer, I think it depends *how* you have setup your ZFS and what
are you doing with it
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1680[12:51:04] <RoyK> lmw: default setup doesn't require
much
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1681[12:51:11] <SuperSeriousCat> mdadm is nice of you want
something that just works and nothing fancy
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1682[12:51:22] <lmw> I never really worked with ZFS before, so I
don't know :(
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1683[12:51:38] <SuperSeriousCat> Install more or less any distro
and the raid is already mounted as mdadm is pre installed in so many
now
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1684[12:51:40] <RoyK> the problem with zfs on linux is that it
doesn't use the normal buffer/cache, it has its own, so
you'll wnt a few gigs for that
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1689[12:52:34] <RoyK> apart from that it doesn't require
much
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1694[12:54:51] <agatineau> hell #debian !
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1695[12:54:58] <agatineau> hello...
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1696[12:55:48] <^CeLL^> the error still persists! i'm not
able to solve it! after unpack the firmware to the directory
/lib/firmware, still get the same error!
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1697[12:56:19] <agatineau> i'm currently struggling a bit
with a luks encrypted setup on my laptop. Is there someone here with
experience with that (stretch)
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1709[13:01:27] <^CeLL^> anyone?
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1714[13:02:50] <gpunk> you are patching the kernel ?
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1720[13:06:39] <^CeLL^> yes!
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1721[13:06:52] <^CeLL^> there's a patch on the installation
folder!
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1722[13:08:01] <gpunk> you might be using wrong patch/kernel
combination
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1726[13:09:11] <gpunk> the is a channel "video4linux"
they might help you more than here , besides you are using kali
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1727[13:09:21] <gpunk> this is not kali channel ...
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1728[13:09:32] <^CeLL^> they don't help me there!
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1729[13:09:39] <^CeLL^> thank you!
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1730[13:09:43] <gpunk> :)
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1732[13:10:41] <^CeLL^> gpunk video4linux is in freenode?
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1733[13:10:43] <L3gacy> So. Anyone have a hardening guid for
Debian 9?
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1734[13:10:59] <RoyK> ^CeLL^: btw, use sudo -i instead of sudo su
;)
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1735[13:11:01] <gpunk> i donno let me check
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1736[13:11:06] <L3gacy> *guide
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1737[13:11:28] <RoyK> !handbook
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1738[13:11:28] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is
at
replaced-url
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1739[13:11:44] <^CeLL^> i will ;)
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1741[13:12:31] <gpunk> #linuxtv and #v4linux
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1742[13:12:39] <gpunk> #v4l *
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1755[13:18:39] <agatineau> encrypted install works well but
hibernation doesn't. Anyone made it work ?
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1760[13:20:23] <gpunk> what kind of laptop you have ?
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1764[13:21:19] <Student7E1> .
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1767[13:21:45] <bryanfrommacau> hi
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1769[13:21:51] <atomico> hi
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1770[13:22:05] <agatineau> acer, no ssd. would there be hardware
compatibility issue?
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1771[13:22:24] <bryanfrommacau> I set up installed debian with
LXDE, and everything seems fine, except I can't figure out how
to connect to wifi
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1772[13:22:29] <gpunk> maybe, we need the model number so i can
look it up
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1773[13:23:12] <agatineau> gpunk: i'll get back in a sec :)
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1778[13:24:29] <agatineau> aspire es1 523/524 serie , model n16c2
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1786[13:25:37] <agatineau> no a good laptop but works enough :)
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1788[13:26:19] <agatineau> and swap space is bigger than ram
before you ask ;-)
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1791[13:28:18] <atomico> always?
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1792[13:28:18] <gpunk> :)
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1793[13:28:21] <atomico> :-)
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1794[13:28:36] <atomico> i think swap its obsolete in most modern
systems but should be the same
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1796[13:29:00] <agatineau> it is, unless you want hibernation
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1801[13:29:47] <agatineau> and it's a great way of detecting
memory leaks :)
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1805[13:32:28] <gpunk> agatineau you installed the propriatary
drivers ?
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1806[13:33:33] <agatineau> non-free for wifi and gpu, that's
all
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1808[13:35:01] <gpunk> hmm, describe: how does it not work ?
please describe
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1809[13:35:55] <agatineau> so, when i ask for hibernation from
gui (cinnamon), it reboots.
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1810[13:37:41] <gpunk> seems like a cinamon issue , can you
please ask them a question in paralell ?
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1811[13:37:58] <gpunk> are you using debian stable ?
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1814[13:39:10] <abrotman> That's easy to test, try another
DM or WM
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1815[13:39:13] <abrotman> sorry, DE or WM
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1817[13:39:56] <agatineau> that was my next step indeed. trying
with gnome and upgrade to testing. I'm using stable currently
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1818[13:40:27] <agatineau> i'll try all that, thanks
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1821[13:41:13] <agatineau> and update status for historical value
:)
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1832[13:45:00] <agatineau> btw, and because i'm a bit new to
irc :/ what is the scope segregation between distribution and
projects in the channels? because projects are independant but
distributions maintain and integrate.
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1834[13:45:12] <agatineau> just curious and willing to go to the
right place
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1839[13:47:42] <jim> hi, what to do about a broadcom wireless
whose pciid is [14e4:4311]? judd says wl
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1840[13:48:00] <jelly> !wl
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1841[13:48:00] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN
driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom
BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225,
BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To
install (amd64 and i386 only), see
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1842[13:48:07] <jim> he doesn't have a wl module
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1843[13:48:15] <jelly> who's "he"
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1844[13:48:29] <jim> guy on ##linux :)
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1845[13:48:35] <bryanfrommacau> hi
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1846[13:48:45] <jim> oh, here too :)
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1847[13:48:49] <ksk> Hey. I have a question about what man fuse
says: "autp_cache This option enables automatic flushing of the
data cache on open(2). The cache will only be flushed if the
modification time or the size of the file has changed" -- So
does this mean not using this opetion will make linux always flush
its cache and make a read on the underlying fuse-whatever?
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1848[13:48:49] <jim> dere he is
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1849[13:48:57] <jelly> then "he" can "ask"
"here", jim, or you can tell them to read the wiki page
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1850[13:49:18] <bryanfrommacau> I also asked here, I didn't
get a response, so I went there :/
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1852[13:49:25] <jelly> nod
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1853[13:49:30] <jim> jelly, it's bryanfrommacau
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1854[13:50:00] <jelly>
/lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/modules.alias:alias
pci:v000014E4d00004311sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ssb
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1856[13:50:24] <jelly> apparently the "ssb" module
binds that device. I have no idea whether it works
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1857[13:51:00] <jelly> it... doesn't look at all related to
wifi.
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1858[13:51:04] <jim> bryanfrommacau, so we'll look over
replaced-url
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1859[13:51:32] <jim> yeah, I didn't think so either
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1861[13:51:48] <jim> anyway, we'll look over the wiki
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1868[13:53:39] <bryanfrommacau2> Sorry I got disconnected for a
minute
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1874[13:55:01] <jim> bryanfrommacau2, ok, we're looking at
replaced-url
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1875[13:55:31] <bryanfrommacau> ok, I'll look at it
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1876[13:55:36] <jim> could you do: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc
termbin.com 9999
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1877[13:56:24] <bryanfrommacau> ok
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1878[13:56:26] <jim> it looks like it wants us to build the wl
package, and install it
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1881[13:57:20] <bryanfrommacau>
replaced-url
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1885[13:58:41] <bryanfrommacau> so I'll follow the steps of
the website first
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1888[14:00:49] <jim> ok, as root, can you edit
/etc/apt/sources.list: line 5 and 6, which now read: deb
replaced-url
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1893[14:01:57] <jim> those lines should be changed, to read: deb
replaced-url
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1898[14:04:16] <bryanfrommacau> ok
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1899[14:04:19] <bryanfrommacau> done
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1902[14:05:56] <jim> ok, now run: apt-get update 2>&1 | nc
termbin.com 9999
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1903[14:06:27] <bryanfrommacau> oh ok
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1906[14:06:40] <bryanfrommacau> I just ran the second line if
instructions from the wiki, I hope that's ok
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1908[14:07:33] <jim> oh, the apt-get install linux-image (etc)?
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1909[14:07:38] <bryanfrommacau> yeah
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1910[14:07:44] <jim> ok
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1911[14:07:55] <bryanfrommacau> still running
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1912[14:08:05] <bryanfrommacau> bad?
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1913[14:08:29] <jim> no, that should go for a bit
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1914[14:08:58] <jim> but you didn't get errors from the
apt-get update?
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1917[14:09:55] <bryanfrommacau> no
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1918[14:10:02] <jim> ok, good
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1921[14:11:16] <jim> that should probably install
build-essential, including gcc, make, binutils, libc6-dev
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1923[14:12:20] <jim> once all that's done and you get your
prompt back, it should have built the wl package
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1924[14:13:24] <bryanfrommacau> ok, done
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1927[14:14:12] <jim> ok, remove possibly conflicting modules:
modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma
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1929[14:14:59] <bryanfrommacau> ok, done
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1932[14:15:18] <jim> and try loading the wl module: modprobe wl
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1933[14:15:19] <bryanfrommacau> :D
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1934[14:15:39] <jim> once you're there, we'll test the
card
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1935[14:15:41] <bryanfrommacau> The light came on for the wifi
indicator on the keyboard....that's a good sign :)
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1936[14:15:53] <jim> I would say so :)
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1937[14:16:13] <jim> if you run ifconfig -a,
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1938[14:16:36] <jim> you'll see interface names on the left
and paragraphs about them to the right...
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1939[14:16:47] <jim> could you list all the interface names?
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1941[14:17:19] <bryanfrommacau> ifconfig command not found :o
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1943[14:17:36] <jim> try: ip link
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1944[14:18:00] <bryanfrommacau> that gave some output
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1945[14:18:09] <jim> I didn't know ifconfig was -that-
deprecated
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1946[14:18:27] <bryanfrommacau> me either :o
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1949[14:18:55] <jim> ok, then run this: ip link | nc termbin.com
9999
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1951[14:19:21] <jim> which will pastebin the "some
output"
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1952[14:20:26] <bryanfrommacau> ok, done
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1953[14:20:44] <jim> did it give you a url?
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1954[14:20:56] <bryanfrommacau>
replaced-url
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1956[14:21:01] <jim> thanks
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1959[14:22:35] <jim> so that list of interfaces is: lo, ens1,
wlp48s0
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1963[14:23:42] <jim> (where we are now: you built the driver and
installed it, we're testing it now)
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1964[14:24:04] <jim> try this: iwlist scan
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1968[14:25:40] <jim> it might say "interface doesn't
support scanning" for ens1 and lo, what does it say for the wl
one?)
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1971[14:26:45] <jim> at least he's got a driver
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1973[14:27:33] <bryanfrommacau> Sorry, I got disconnected again
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1974[14:28:09] <jim> (where we are now: you built the driver and
installed it, we're testing it now)
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1977[14:28:44] <bryanfrommacau> ok
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1978[14:28:49] <jim> try this: iwlist scan
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1979[14:29:25] <bryanfrommacau> lo interface doesn't support
scanning, ensl interface doesn't support scanning
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1980[14:29:46] <jim> and about the wl one?
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1982[14:30:07] <bryanfrommacau> no other output
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1985[14:30:09] <bryanfrommacau> nothing about wl
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1987[14:30:52] <jim> ok, could you run: dmesg | nc termbin.com
9999
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1990[14:32:05] <bryanfrommacau>
replaced-url
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2000[14:36:00] <jim> do you have network-manager (or other, like
wicd) installed?
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2002[14:37:43] <bryanfrommacau> There's an application
called "network connections" in the gui, I'm not sure
what else there might be
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2003[14:38:14] <jim> bryanfrommacau, see what that does
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2004[14:38:29] <jim> (seems promising)
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2006[14:40:00] <jim> right now we're looking to see if the
card is returning info about wireless nets in your area (i.e., your
neighbors)
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2007[14:40:08] <bryanfrommacau> It allows me to "ADD" a
network connection, I can choose Wi-Fi, and click
"create"....There is a place to type in SSID, "Cloned
mac address", set something for "MTU"
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2009[14:40:25] <bryanfrommacau> It doesn't show any wifi
signals
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2010[14:40:39] <bryanfrommacau> the light is off again, my
computer crashed last time I disconnected :/
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2011[14:40:54] <bryanfrommacau> wiat
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2012[14:40:55] <bryanfrommacau> wait
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2013[14:40:59] <jim> oh, maybe the module is unloaded
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2014[14:41:19] <bryanfrommacau> I got the light back on
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2016[14:41:27] <jim> how?
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2018[14:41:43] <jim> modprobe wl?
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2019[14:41:49] <bryanfrommacau> hardware button
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2020[14:41:57] <jim> oh ok
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2021[14:42:15] <bryanfrommacau> sorry, not to familiar with this
laptop
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2023[14:42:18] <jim> do you see stuff in that wireless app you
found?
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2024[14:42:27] <jim> meetoo
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2026[14:43:25] <bryanfrommacau> when I turned the light on, some
popup came up in the corner of the screen, but I didn't click
in time
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2027[14:43:36] <bryanfrommacau> I tried turning on and off again,
but another crash
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2028[14:43:39] <bryanfrommacau> rebooting :/
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2032[14:44:25] <jim> are you ircing from a different machine?
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2034[14:44:41] <bryanfrommacau> Yeah, I decided to use a
different machine after the last crash
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2036[14:44:43] <bryanfrommacau> just in case
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2038[14:44:55] <jim> good idea
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2043[14:45:42] <bryanfrommacau> I'm in business
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2044[14:45:45] <bryanfrommacau> I mean it worked
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2045[14:45:53] <jim> what did it do?
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2046[14:46:08] <bryanfrommacau> It said wireless connections are
available
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2047[14:46:14] <bryanfrommacau> so I connected to mine
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2048[14:46:17] <jim> oh, cool
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2049[14:46:27] <bryanfrommacau> testing...
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2052[14:46:33] <jim> and you can disconnect the eth?
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2053[14:46:56] <bryanfrommacau> Yes, it's working
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2054[14:47:05] <bryanfrommacau> Thanks so much :)
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2056[14:47:06] <jim> great :)
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2057[14:47:11] <jim> welcome
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2059[14:47:16] <bryanfrommacau> I thought I was missing something
very simple
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2060[14:47:22] <bryanfrommacau> I couldn't have done it
without help
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2061[14:47:24] <bryanfrommacau> thanks
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2062[14:47:28] <jim> the driver :)
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2064[14:47:56] <jim> to summarize...
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2066[14:48:01] <bryanfrommacau> That's what I get for trying
to resurrect such an old laptop
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2068[14:48:22] <jim> oh, and it has pcmcia slots?
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2069[14:48:31] <RoyK> usually the firmware is in the repos
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2071[14:49:03] <RoyK> pcmcia or pc card? the former went out of
style 10+ years ago
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2072[14:49:14] <bryanfrommacau> I don't know what that is,
I'll have to google it after I turn on my vpn
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2073[14:49:26] <bryanfrommacau> It does have some strange port on
the bottom of the laptop which I have no idea what it's for
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2074[14:49:50] <bryanfrommacau> and something that comes out on
the side...it might :D
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2076[14:50:28] <jim> for hardware provided by pcmcia cards
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2078[14:50:51] <RoyK> lshw should show what it is
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2079[14:50:53] <jim> I noticed your dmesg said something about
them
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2081[14:51:07] <SirLagz> RoyK: expresscard is the one that's
not out of style. PCMCIA is the same as PC Card
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2083[14:51:17] <SirLagz> RoyK: I had a whole bunch of PCMCIA
NICs...I need to find them again
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2085[14:51:24] <bryanfrommacau> I just searched, and yes, it has
a mpcia card slot
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2086[14:51:36] <bryanfrommacau> pcmcia card slot
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2087[14:51:42] <bryanfrommacau> I never knew what that was for
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2088[14:52:04] <jim> I used to have a modem on such a card
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2089[14:53:00] <RoyK> those good old days with being proud of
having 56,4kbps network speed
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2091[14:53:31] <SirLagz> heh. getting 56k was pretty hard where I
was. I'd normally get 45kbps or around there
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2092[14:53:33] <bryanfrommacau> I think this computer is a little
newer than that :)
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2096[14:54:15] <jim> it's old enough to have both ethernet
and wireless
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2100[14:54:40] <SirLagz> jim: I have a laptop here that only has
ethernet heh
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2101[14:54:40] <bryanfrommacau> It does have a port for a phone
line
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2103[14:55:15] <jim> builtin modem?
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2105[14:55:57] <bryanfrommacau> perhaps
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2108[14:57:03] <bryanfrommacau> and a docking station port
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2109[14:57:07] <jim> sound working on the laptop?
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2110[14:57:53] <bryanfrommacau> hmm, I'm not sure, let me
try to find a way to test it
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2114[14:58:42] <jim> one way: run a youtube video... (and, how
much ram does that laptop have?)
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2115[14:58:51] <bryanfrommacau> no youtube here, blocked in china
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2118[14:59:52] <bryanfrommacau> is there a command I can type to
see how much ram there is?
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2119[15:00:00] <jim> free
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2121[15:00:20] <TaZeR> my laptop has a 56k modem, is there
anything cool i can do with it today?
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2122[15:00:25] <mr__tea> free -m is nice
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2124[15:00:34] <elwisp> Im on debian stretch, whats the easiest
way to install Firefox Quantum?
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2125[15:01:18] <bryanfrommacau> Seems 2GB
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2126[15:01:24] <atomico> hmm
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2127[15:01:27] <atomico> df -h
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2128[15:01:33] <bryanfrommacau> 1937736
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2129[15:01:43] <atomico> drive space..
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2130[15:01:45] <jelly> elwisp: at this point, it's probably
"download the tarball from Mozilla, unpack it somewhere and use
it"
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2131[15:01:47] <atomico> 2gb
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2133[15:01:59] <jim> well stretch was already released... which
means, the versions of stuff that were availabla then, are the only
things in the stretch archives,.,, there is a mozilla one, let me
see...
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2134[15:02:01] <agatineau> elwisp: like jelly said
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2136[15:02:05] <jim> !mozilla
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2137[15:02:05] <dpkg> Mozilla Application Suite (originally
Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications,
succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing
on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>,
<firefox>, <thunderbird>.
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2138[15:02:09] <agatineau> works fine for me
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2139[15:02:16] <elwisp> okay
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2141[15:02:37] <elwisp> i use i3wm an dmenu, so i would have to
symlink it in somewhere then i guess
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2142[15:02:37] <jim> !firefox
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2143[15:02:37] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was
known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not
permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now
available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable>
follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest
versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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2145[15:02:48] <jelly> dpkg, tell jim about msg the bot
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2146[15:03:12] <bryanfrommacau> it took some time for the video
to load, but sound is working
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2147[15:03:18] <bryanfrommacau> everything seems good
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2148[15:03:20] <bryanfrommacau> Thanks :)
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2149[15:03:27] <jim> welcomer
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2150[15:04:28] <atomo> oi
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2156[15:06:31] <jim> elwisp, so take a look at mozilla.debian.net
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2165[15:11:21] <elwisp> okay, thanks
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2166[15:11:24] <elwisp> got it setup
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2168[15:11:32] <elwisp> but rofi wont start it
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2180[15:14:36] <atomo_> ahá thanks
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2215[15:30:57] <TimeTraveler> hi does anyone know of a good
diagram software for linux? I am using Dia at the moment but it
feels very limited. I.e. cant even do simple things that i want to
do like rotate shapes
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2217[15:31:12] <fiet> dia does that
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2219[15:31:51] <TimeTraveler> how?
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2220[15:31:57] <TimeTraveler> lol i cant find out how the hell to
do it
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replaced-url
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2228[15:34:00] <atomo> easy!
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2231[15:35:40] <flipper8827> which command would i use ti restart
dchpcd to implement the adblocking I've done at the /etc/hosts
file level with out the ned to reboot my machine?
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2232[15:35:54] <atomo> its fine
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2233[15:36:00] <atomo> /etc/hosts its autoupdated
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2235[15:36:51] <atomo> btw u can use a privoxy
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2247[15:41:08] <gpunk> service dhcpd restart ?
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2248[15:41:28] <gpunk> systemctl restart dhcpd ?
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2250[15:42:44] <atomo> sure!
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2251[15:42:53] <atomo> but u dont need it imho
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2252[15:43:08] <atomo> sudo systemctl if you use systemctl
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2253[15:43:24] <atomo> or not sude eh.. service restart dhcpd
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2290[16:06:11] <aedinius> Hm. I think my sleep issues are related
to USB/etc devices changing from time to sleep to time to wake
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2295[16:08:19] <bryanfrommacau> Does anyone have advice for a
lighter alterative to libreoffice impress?
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2300[16:09:25] <aedinius> bryanfrommacau: How and what kind of
light are we talking?
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2301[16:10:06] <aedinius> bryanfrommacau: I like this
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2302[16:10:11] <aedinius> But it really depends on your use-case
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2303[16:10:23] <bryanfrommacau> impress is just a little bit
sluggish, I just want something a little snappier
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2306[16:11:29] <bryanfrommacau> command-line presentation tool
o.o
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2307[16:11:30] <bryanfrommacau> wow
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2314[16:12:22] <bryanfrommacau> That is cool :D
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2317[16:12:59] <bryanfrommacau> I will definitely look into that
for a different computer, but I'll need a gui for this one
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2318[16:13:20] <tamarindo> what about beamer?
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2319[16:13:20] <bryanfrommacau> After searching I found wps,
freeoffice, but I don'
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2320[16:13:36] <aedinius> I like SoftMaker
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2321[16:13:36] <bryanfrommacau> t have experience to know which
are more lightweight
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2322[16:13:47] <aedinius> (FreeOffice)
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2329[16:16:21] <bryanfrommacau> ok, I'll look into softmaker
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2330[16:16:22] <bryanfrommacau> thanks :)
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2332[16:17:42] <gpunk> bryanfrommacau wps is the best , for me
...
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2334[16:17:53] <aedinius> I actually bought Softmaker Office
after using FreeOffice ("absolutely proprietary!")
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2335[16:19:04] <bryanfrommacau> ok, I'll try one, and then
the other if needed
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2337[16:19:06] <bryanfrommacau> thanks :)
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2338[16:20:16] <aedinius> (They're both made by Softmaker,
Freeoffice is typically an older version with some licensed stuff
removed)
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2347[16:26:25] <TimeTraveler> is there anything better than Dia?
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2348[16:26:29] <TimeTraveler> that is also free?
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2349[16:26:34] <TimeTraveler> i find Dia kind of limiting
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2350[16:26:41] <TimeTraveler> and cumbersome. and it appears to
be dead
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2358[16:30:46] <TimeTraveler> anyone?
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2359[16:30:54] <TimeTraveler> anyone have diagramming needs?
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2360[16:30:59] <aedinius> TimeTraveler: It's not dead,
apparently, they just haven't made a release
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2361[16:31:14] <TimeTraveler> aedinius, hmm usually no release
for 4 years = dead
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2362[16:31:24] <aedinius> The repo is pretty active it seems
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2365[16:32:56] <TimeTraveler> i mean, it does the job for a quick
diagram, but like i said, its pretty combersome and somewhat limited
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2367[16:33:11] <aedinius> dia is my goto honestly =/
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2373[16:38:55] <Stutters> hi there :)
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2376[16:39:39] <Stutters> is this the right place to ask about
permissions + acl? (been in ##linux, everybody busy there)
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2384[16:43:42] <TimeTraveler> depends Stutters why not just ask
your question
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2386[16:49:05] <petn-randall> Stutters: Are you running Debian?
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2387[16:49:17] <Stutters> petn-randall: yes
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2388[16:49:28] <Stutters> sorry, took a moment to write
everything down without it being confusing :)
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2389[16:49:30] <Stutters> I have this: webserver with user
replaced-url
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2391[16:49:57] <Stutters> now file/directory creation works as
intended, but the webserver cannot create new files in those envX
folders (/var/replaced-url
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2392[16:50:09] <Stutters> so I thought ACL of u:replaced-url
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2393[16:50:24] <Stutters> I can assign it properly, even
recursively to directories only, but something masks it away making
it r-x... so I can list those and see files, but not change/create
them
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2394[16:50:34] <Stutters> or at least the webserver can't
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2399[16:53:36] <TimeTraveler> Stutters, what command you using to
apply the perms?
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2400[16:55:13] <Stutters> TimeTraveler: well, something like
this: find /var/replaced-url
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2403[16:56:17] <TimeTraveler> Stutters, whats the leading 2 for?
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2405[16:56:43] <Stutters> setgid, so new directories inherit the
parent's group ownership
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2407[16:56:58] <Stutters> it's basically a g+s
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2408[16:57:27] <TimeTraveler> Stutters, if only members of the
grop can write into the dir, then wont that be applied
automatically?
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2411[16:58:28] <Stutters> TimeTraveler: I want to separate
environments so user1 can only do everything he wants in /var/replaced-url
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2412[16:58:38] <n4dir> from the top of my head: wouldn't
chmod -R ... be the way to go?
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2413[16:59:03] <giirt> Why does *curl
169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-ipv4* only display the
content of the requested data while *echo `curl
169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-ipv4`* displays
file-transfer-status + content of the requested file?
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2414[16:59:15] <Stutters> n4dir: yes, kinda, except I'd get
files to have the gid as well.. making them executable, I think
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2415[16:59:29] <giirt> I thought the commands would display
exactly the same thing since I echo the data of the curl command.
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2416[17:00:05] <n4dir> Stutters: my point was kinda this (bit too
confusing to explain): i am not sure if -R is needed to make
follow-up creations of folder follow the same rules.
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2417[17:00:35] <n4dir> find does -type d , so it won't be
applied to files.
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2418[17:01:08] <n4dir> like said: i am not too sure, was just
shooting in the dark. food for thought, so to speak
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2419[17:01:13] <Stutters> n4dir: that was my worry as well, when
I was testing :) it seems to ge inherited though
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2420[17:01:34] <n4dir> ah, so my idea was crap. At least that is
sorted. Good luck :-)
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2422[17:01:38] <Stutters> so 1x g+s let's it's babies
be g+s too^^
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2424[17:02:07] <Stutters> thanks, somebody broke it down for me a
little in ##linux^^
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2425[17:02:08] <petn-randall> giirt: "man curl", look
for the chapter progress meter.
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2436[17:06:04] <giirt> petn-randall: Thank you!
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2483[17:32:12] <RedSoxFan07> My Debian machine is a Dell Optiplex
from 2010 and it has a Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.93 GHz and 4
GBs of RAM. I'm thinking about getting into Blu-Rays, but
I'm not sure if this system can handle it. Do you think this
system can handle copying Blu-Rays to disk? In a reasonable amount
of time?
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2491[17:35:35] <dTal> RedSoxFan07: I doubt any set-top Blu-Ray
player is anywhere near that powerful :p
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2496[17:39:04] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: But do you think it's
powerful enough to copy a Blu-Ray disc to the hard drive? I.e.
transcode a Blu-Ray to MP4 or MKV or WebM?
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2497[17:39:06] <ascetik> Handbrake may do it, but I don't
know if it is on debian
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2498[17:39:23] <RedSoxFan07> ascetik: I'm not asking about
the software. I'm asking about the hardware.
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2500[17:39:35] <dTal> anything's powerful enough given time
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2502[17:39:54] <ascetik> yes its plenty
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2503[17:40:00] <RedSoxFan07> With my system's specs, how
long would you say it would take?
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2504[17:40:08] <ascetik> its not like you're running a
Pentium II
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2505[17:40:25] <ascetik> no idea, I don't rip movies
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2506[17:40:29] <ascetik> ;)
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2507[17:40:45] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: What do you say?
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2508[17:40:49] <dTal> I don't either
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2509[17:41:04] <dTal> pretty sure it'd take awhile no matter
how fast your computer is, you're reading like 30 gigs off an
optical drive
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2510[17:41:53] <ascetik> yes, what dTal said
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2511[17:42:47] <ascetik> best way to find out is just rip one and
see how long it takes
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2514[17:43:23] <koollman> the time to read it is not usually the
problem
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2515[17:43:58] <ascetik> I don't think the processor will be
an issue, I mean it's not top of the line but the Core 2 Duo
line isn't exactly slow
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2517[17:44:09] <ascetik> it's no Ryzen, but it'll get
the job done
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2520[17:44:31] <ascetik> the issue may be the buffer size since
you only have 4gb of ram
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2521[17:44:39] <koollman> ascetik: it's very slow :)
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2522[17:44:40] <dTal> for DSP tasks CPU generation makes a big
difference
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2523[17:44:44] <koollman> (compared to modern stuff)
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2524[17:44:51] <koollman> but, well ... it will work
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2525[17:44:52] <ascetik> oh I agree
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2526[17:45:11] <ascetik> but I'm just saying, if all you
have is a shovel in a war, use the shovel
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2527[17:45:15] <ascetik> :D
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2528[17:45:16] <koollman> yep
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2530[17:47:19] <koollman> I wonder if there's a benchmark
which could be used to get an idea of the time, online. I'm
sure some people post the time it takes to encode a 2hour movie or
something like that
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2531[17:47:55] <ascetik> maybe yeah typically overclocking forums
will post stuff like that
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2532[17:48:23] <petn-randall> Modern CPUs/GPUs have hw encoders
for common video encoders, so you'd see a huge increase in
performance with those devices.
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2577[18:13:04] <shpingrlde> several blogs mention a command
called "at" for scheduling something to run at a future
time. "at HHMM xmessage remindertext" is a common example.
however, on debian stretch the "at" prompt doesn't
appear to be integrated with the rest of my system. if I run
"at" and then try saying "xmessage test" or
"echo $PATH", nothing whatsoever happens. how can I ensure
all my normal binaries and environment variables
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2578[18:13:05] <shpingrlde> apply to "at"?
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2581[18:14:39] <petn-randall> shpingrlde: If you'd run
'at "echo $PATH"' it would write that output
into oblivion, not your shell, AFAICS.
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2589[18:18:39] <shpingrlde> how do I connect it to my shell,
then? the examples I can find seem to indicate that 'at 1330
xmessage test' should work without any special setup beyond
installing at and xmessage, but that's not currently the case
on here
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2591[18:19:53] <petn-randall> shpingrlde: Does "xmessage
foo" work for you?
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2593[18:20:04] <shpingrlde> yes
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2596[18:21:17] <shpingrlde> if I run 'at 1330' without
any further arguments, it says "warning: commands will be
executed using /bin/sh"
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2602[18:23:04] <petn-randall> I haven't used "at"
yet, but maybe someone else knows how to debug further this.
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2605[18:25:40] <shpingrlde> okay, thanks for your time
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2610[18:29:10] <shpingrlde> some searching has me thinking that I
want "at" to use /bin/bash instead, but I don't know
how (yet) to do that
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2611[18:30:02] <petemc> why?
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2612[18:30:27] <petn-randall> shpingrlde: I don't think
that's related to your problem, since you're not using
bash-specific syntax.
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2613[18:30:33] <petemc> echo test | at now + 1 minute
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2615[18:31:20] <jhutchins> shpingrlde: I find to my surprise my
install of jessie doesn't have the at command.
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2617[18:32:04] <shpingrlde> yeah, a very musty old linux user
said "at is part of the basic "system that is
running" set of commands" and was surprised I had to
install it
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2618[18:32:32] <shpingrlde> @jhutch, I mean
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2620[18:32:54] <jhutchins> shpingrlde: It's a bit tricky, it
does a dialog mode.
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2621[18:32:57] <shpingrlde> so far no go on the at + 1 minute,
also. pretty sure it's been a minute
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2622[18:33:04] <petemc> check atq
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2624[18:33:17] <shpingrlde> yeah, it already fired
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2625[18:33:35] <jhutchins> Interesting, it wants to install exim.
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2626[18:33:37] <shpingrlde> thus far at doesn't do anything,
because it can't find or run anything
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2628[18:34:19] <jhutchins> shingouz: at time \n
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2630[18:34:24] <shpingrlde> if I do "at HHMM", I
can't tab complete any program that I know of in the new
miniprompt
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2631[18:34:34] <jhutchins> /path/to/command
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2632[18:34:53] <jhutchins> shpingrlde: Right, because you're
not in bash at that point, you're in at.
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2636[18:35:27] <shingouz> ?
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2637[18:35:52] <shpingrlde> alphabetical nick completion,
shingouz :) that was directed at me
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2639[18:36:00] <shingouz> ah. ok. i almost woke up :)
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2642[18:37:16] <jhutchins> shingouz: Yeah, sry.
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2644[18:37:23] <jhutchins> shpingrlde:
replaced-url
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2646[18:37:46] <shingouz> dont worry about it, man. i keep on
lurking here as usual
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2647[18:37:51] <petemc> echo "/usr/bin/touch
/tmp/foobar" | at now + 1 minute , works for me, /tmp/foobar is
created
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2650[18:38:51] <shpingrlde> I tried 'at 1037'
'/usr/bin/xmessage test' and it didn't seem to fire.
atq shows the job gone, of course
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2652[18:39:18] <shpingrlde> I can't tab complete /usr , if
that means anything, in there
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2654[18:39:32] <petemc> i get syslog entries for it as well - Nov
18 17:37:00 ks356955 atd[6728]: pam_unix(atd:session): session
closed for user pete
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2655[18:39:44] <jhutchins> shpingrlde: As I said earlier,
you're not in bash at that point, there's no bash
completion.
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2656[18:40:03] <shpingrlde> and that brunolinux blog looks like
the other ones - it shows bruno saying "play" to execute
the command, not "/usr/bin/play"
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2657[18:40:58] <shpingrlde> are you on Stretch, petemc ?
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2659[18:41:13] <jhutchins> shpingrlde:
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2660[18:41:28] <petemc> no, jessie
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2661[18:41:33] <jhutchins> shpingrlde: at hasn't changed in
decades.
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2662[18:41:37] <matrix_architect> do i have to make some
configuration after installing zsh or debian does the config
automatically?
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2663[18:41:50] <RoyK> <offtopic>Today's xkcd was a
nice asperger</offtopic>
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2667[18:42:35] <jhutchins> matrix_architect: There's a
default configuration you may or may not want to change; you do have
to set your shell (chsh).
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2668[18:42:40] <shpingrlde> right, jhutchins , that's why
I'm inclined to blame Stretch. because those blogs (one of
which I'd already seen in my hunt for answers) all seem to be
able to rely on their usual commands working in "at"
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2670[18:42:54] <simbalion> I've got a GTX 970, HDMI 2.0
cable, and UHD Monitor with HDMI 2.0 support. I'm using the
official nVidia drivers packaged for Debian. I'm only getting
30HZ @ 4K resolution, can anyone suggest what I need to fix?
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2671[18:43:09] <petemc> shpingrlde: it should work, check your
syntax and quoting
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2672[18:43:17] <matrix_architect> jhutchins, how can i set shell?
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2674[18:43:23] <jhutchins> matrix_architect: chsh
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2678[18:43:52] <matrix_architect> jhutchins, should i enter that
command?
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2682[18:45:54] <jhutchins> matrix_architect: You might want to
check the manpage for syntax and to see what it does.
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2687[18:49:10] <shpingrlde>
replaced-url
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2694[18:50:44] <altendky> i have stretch installed with both
gnome and plasma. i get 'Failed to set the selected audio
output device' when trying to configure audio devices in plasma
via the kde settings. in gnome i could select the other device and
play the test audio. are 'gnome' and 'kde' just
conflicting? how might i debug this?
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2695[18:51:07] <jhutchins> altendky: Which release?
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2696[18:51:16] <shpingrlde> syntax and quoting checked.
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2697[18:51:41] <petemc> it looks like it worked, no?
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2698[18:52:07] <altendky> jhutchins: i guess that's how new
i am to debian, i thought stretch clarified that. been on ubuntu the
past 10 years.
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2699[18:52:14] <shpingrlde> it worked when I ran xmessage myself,
outside of "at"
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2700[18:52:31] <jhutchins> altendky: Um, no, it just means I need
more coffee. Yes, stretch.
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2701[18:52:38] <petemc> shpingrlde: check syslog
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2702[18:53:29] <jhutchins> Do we have any evidence that xmessage
can actually send messages from outside an interactive login?
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2703[18:53:56] <petemc> the at job runs as the user who created
it
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2704[18:54:16] <altendky> jhutchins: i'll note that after i
tested the 'other' audio device in gnome, logged out and
back into plasma, it was used by kde. i have builtin, hdmi
(don't want to use), a usb dac, and a rf headset.
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2707[18:55:03] <jhutchins> Yes, i see that it's "used
by shell scripts to display information to the user" so it
should work.
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2710[18:56:47] <shpingrlde> xmessage + at is the first example
here:
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2711[18:57:10] <jhutchins> altendky: The device is probably being
set in alsa by gnome, so kde sees the same setting.
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2712[18:57:28] <simbalion> Fixed my refresh rate issue, I plugged
the hdmi cable into port 2 on my samsung monitor and suddenly am
getting 60hz
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2716[18:58:18] <RedSoxFan07> simbalion: That's interesting.
I didn't know your monitor had two HDMI ports, and I never
would have thought they would have different refresh rates.
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2722[19:00:38] <altendky> sometimes each port supports up to a
different interface standard. so, might not have enough bandwidth on
one because it is older, i think.
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2737[19:06:12] <shpingrlde> AHA
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2740[19:07:09] <shpingrlde> it was sending the xmessage to some
non-display, I guess, instead of defaulting to the only display that
exists?
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2743[19:08:27] <altendky> or maybe just failing? as would happen
running an x program from a virtual console, for example.
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2757[19:12:05] <shpingrlde> maybe!
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2758[19:12:21] <the_custodian> why use debian over ubuntu?
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2762[19:13:48] <shpingrlde> those blogs gotta change to say
"this only works this way in (my distro), consider setting the
DISPLAY variable if using a different one"
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2764[19:14:30] <petn-randall> !why debian
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2765[19:14:30] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom
whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of
making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See
also
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2766[19:14:38] <petn-randall> the_custodian: ^^^
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2768[19:16:00] <the_custodian> i've been switching
everything over lately. i started with ubuntu , but now that i have
a bit of experience i'm finding that i am enjoying working with
debian much more.
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2769[19:16:21] <jhutchins> the_custodian: It's a little more
hands-on.
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2770[19:16:28] <the_custodian> i imagine the place that ubuntu
noticeably excels is the desktop environment?
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2771[19:16:58] <jhutchins> the_custodian: That's a matter of
preferences.
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2772[19:17:37] <jhutchins> the_custodian: I think the big
difference in ubuntu is that it does things like proprietary
firmware and drivers and makes some choices for you.
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2773[19:18:24] <arora> the_custodian: sudo is pre installed as
well.
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2774[19:18:36] <petn-randall> the_custodian: The downside of
Ubuntu is that they only have proper support for the main repo,
which is only 10% of all packages. And the non-LTS releases are only
supported for 9 months.
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2786[19:26:04] <the_custodian> i see.
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2792[19:29:17] <jhutchins> arora: debian's policy for sudo
has shifted a bit. I believe if you don't supply a password for
root during the install it installs and enables sudo.
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2793[19:29:35] <jhutchins> arora: There are conditions where it
installs it, but doesn't enable users by default.
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2796[19:30:36] <arora> Oh, been a while since i did fresh
install. What are the conditions where it install it, but
doesn't enable jhutchins?
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2797[19:31:04] <jhutchins> arora: I don't know, but I know
I've seen that (in person and here).
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2801[19:32:15] <jhutchins> I'm a root shell guy, so
it's not installed here.
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2808[19:34:19] <arora> Mmm, thats daring.
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2818[19:37:25] <jhutchins> arora: Nah, just a different
approach/philosophy. Nothing dangerous about it.
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2820[19:37:45] <jhutchins> arora: I learned on mainframe
operator's consoles and in DOS.
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2821[19:37:48] <the_custodian> you login directly as root with a
password?
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2822[19:38:03] <jhutchins> the_custodian: Yes, in a shell, or I
use su -
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2824[19:38:23] <jhutchins> In fact I'm having to retrain
myself not to use sudo su -
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2826[19:38:54] <jhutchins> the_custodian: Mind you, I don't
log in to X or use X programs as root.
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2832[19:41:19] <the_custodian> do you ever check your logs to see
how many people are constantly bombarding your ssh port with root
login requests?
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2835[19:41:57] <teraflops> the_custodian: not people, Chinese
bots mainly
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2838[19:43:12] <the_custodian> seems like a no brainer to
completely shut down that attack vector
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2843[19:45:09] <teraflops> the_custodian: well, those login
attempts can load your cpu, and eventually perform a rudimentary DOS
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2846[19:46:13] <the_custodian> i've read that changing your
ssh port also drastically reduces the chinese bot noise you get by a
significant amount
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2847[19:46:41] <petn-randall> You can use something like fail2ban
or simple firewalling to mitigate that.
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2848[19:46:44] <teraflops> that might not be an option, depending
who you ask and their needs
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2849[19:46:59] <petn-randall> But if you disable password logins
via SSH there's also no password to brute-force.
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2850[19:47:17] <teraflops> port knocking, throttling login
attempts, and so on
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2851[19:47:38] <aloo_shu> is 'chinese bot' an alias for
'nsa shell account in asia' ?
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2852[19:47:49] <teraflops> nope
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2853[19:48:07] <the_custodian> i've been meaning to set up a
hardened openvpn2.4 server on debian, does anyone have any
experience or advice? i understand openvpn well enough to get it
setup and use it, however, i'm pretty fuzzy on the
specifics/details of the configuration.
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2854[19:48:11] <aloo_shu> could be anything,in fact
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2855[19:48:35] <roastedsnowflake> moving the port mitigates a lot
of crap
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2856[19:49:27] <teraflops> the_custodian: again, it depends on
your use cause. I'm ok allowing only openvpn and then ssh from
inside
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2860[19:52:19] <the_custodian> mostly for the basic reasons you
would need a vpn, and also to understand better exactly what's
happening to my packets when i use it. but yeah, so i can connect to
foreign wifi signals without being paranoid about traffic being
intercepted or snooped, etc.
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2862[19:53:06] <teraflops> that's a reasonable use cause
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2865[19:53:52] * aloo_shu muses if it wouldn't be fun to set up a
ssh login honeypot - say let's you in at the 2000th attempt and
then offers you some interesting environment that's painfully
slow to respond..
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2867[19:54:42] <the_custodian> o
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2870[19:55:01] <koollman> aloo_shu: have a look at cowrie
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2872[19:55:14] <the_custodian> i've found a few guides on
it, perhaps i'll check those. i'm getting tired of using
'streisand' like scripts and not really having any idea
what's happening when i set openvpn up.
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2873[19:55:20] <the_custodian> also , ssh honeypot does sound
quite fun.
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2880[19:56:22] <aloo_shu> what's the syntax to ask the bot
about a pkg?
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2882[19:57:05] <aloo_shu> !pkg cowrie
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2883[19:57:55] <aloo_shu> !info cowrie
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2884[19:58:10] <the_custodian> !pkg cowrie
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2885[19:58:17] <the_custodian> !help
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2886[19:58:32] <the_custodian> !welp, that's embarassing
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2887[19:58:34] <teraflops> aloo_shu: /msg judd v package
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2888[19:59:09] <aloo_shu> well, I get the answers in pm
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2889[19:59:15] <teraflops> yeah
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2890[19:59:17] <teraflops> :D
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2892[19:59:47] <aloo_shu> makes sense, you don't want
everybody's floodbot in here
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2893[19:59:52] <teraflops> ,v for doing here but, please,
don't spam the channel
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2894[19:59:53] <judd> No package named 'for' was found
in amd64.
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2895[20:00:36] <aloo_shu> ,v cowrie
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2896[20:00:37] <judd> No package named 'cowrie' was
found in amd64.
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2897[20:00:50] <aloo_shu> ,v ssh-honeypot
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2898[20:00:51] <judd> No package named 'ssh-honeypot'
was found in amd64.
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2899[20:00:55] <teraflops> here we go…
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2900[20:01:04] <aloo_shu> that was it
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2912[20:06:03] <the_custodian> has anyone ever caught any chinese
bots with a honeypot, to see just exactly what they're up to?
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2913[20:06:25] <koollman> I did. Many times
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2914[20:06:45] <the_custodian> so what exactly are those things
up to, if / when they get on your box?
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2915[20:06:59] <koollman> typically rather simple scripts are
uploaded, then they start scanning again, and join some kind of
control system
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2916[20:07:15] <the_custodian> a botnet type situation
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2917[20:07:18] <koollman> yes
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2918[20:07:26] <the_custodian> makes sense
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2920[20:07:45] <koollman> sometimes they just start spamming
stuff right away, rather than scanning
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2921[20:08:01] <the_custodian> did you attempt to reverse
engineer what's happening with the script
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2922[20:08:05] <koollman> but it makes sense to use 'newly
acquired' ressources to keep growing the botnet :)
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2923[20:08:11] <the_custodian> to see if you could find the CNC?
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2926[20:08:57] <koollman> only when it was simple. Like an irc
channel, or a bunch of (hacked) websites containing control data
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2927[20:09:38] <koollman> irc channel was fun though. only the
bot script could join, anything else was quickly banned and a dos
launched against it :)
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2932[20:11:14] <the_custodian> china is spookily mysterious
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2934[20:11:57] <annadane> !offtopic
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2936[20:11:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2938[20:12:56] <the_custodian> !ontopic
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2939[20:12:56] <dpkg> Please stay on topic. #debian's
mission is to help users of Debian solve problems and understand
their Debian systems. If what you are discussing has no relationship
to Debian, please move your discussion (and invite participants) to
a channel where it is on topic, such as #politics, #general,
#ubuntu, or #yourownchannel. Failure to moderate yourself will
result in operators moderating for you.
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2941[20:13:19] <tomy> why is it necessary/important to upgrade to
the latest kernel version ?
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2945[20:13:42] <petn-randall> tomy: It isn't.
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2946[20:13:44] <syslq> tomy, it's not
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2947[20:14:08] <petn-randall> tomy: It's important to keep
the kernel up-to-date, not necessarily to run the latest version.
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2949[20:14:24] <tomy> so as long everything is running right
there is no reason upgrading ?
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2950[20:14:25] <jelly> tomy, the kernel is a software component.
Package updates bring fixes to bugs and security issues.
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2951[20:14:55] <syslq> tomy, exactly
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2954[20:15:14] <jelly> tomy, the simplest thing to do is keep it
updated with the rest of the distro
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2955[20:15:23] <tomy> whats the difference between keeping kernel
up to date and having the latest version ?
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2956[20:15:29] <syslq> Actually the absolutely newest stuf does
fix bugs and security issues, but it can also introduce them :)
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2958[20:16:25] <petn-randall> ,kernels
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2959[20:16:27] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-rc7-686 (4.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686
(4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports:
4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.4-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686
(4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1);
jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
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2960[20:16:28] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
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2963[20:16:32] <tomy> what if i dont like the latest version of
the distro ,for reasons ?
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2964[20:16:32] <syslq> tomy, point is not to be too much behind
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2965[20:16:49] <jelly> tomy, then we ask you what kind of reasons
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2967[20:17:26] <petn-randall> tomy: For example, the current
kernel version of stretch is 4.9.50, which gets updated every time
there are security fixes. The next version would be 4.9.51. However,
the *newest* version currently is 4.14.
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2968[20:17:42] <tomy> right now i am running on 3,xx version ,but
the latest is 4.8 or something..
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2969[20:18:07] <syslq> That's like running xp in ms world...
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2970[20:18:29] <jelly> tomy, which debian release are you using?
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2971[20:18:32] <syslq> Probably not a good idea
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2972[20:18:39] <jelly> tomy, and what does "uname -a"
say?
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2973[20:18:56] <tomy> i am on debian 8 and its fien for me
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2976[20:19:51] <tomy> uname is debian 3.16.0-4
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2978[20:20:08] <jelly> that's not the complete output of
uname -a
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2979[20:20:19] <jelly> can you show the complete output?
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2980[20:20:20] <tomy> wait a minute
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2986[20:21:43] <tomy> the copy and pasting isnt working so good
,,,hope its not kernel reasons ...lol
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2992[20:22:22] <petn-randall> The kernel has no meddlings in
copy/paste, that's all userspace.
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2997[20:23:46] <tomy> good to hear..
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2998[20:24:02] <the_custodian> can you show me the complete
output of cat /etc/passwd and the IP of your server?
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2999[20:24:05] <the_custodian> thanks
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3001[20:24:28] <petn-randall> the_custodian: What would you need
that for?
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3002[20:24:30] <syslq> tomy, don't do that
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3003[20:24:36] <the_custodian> lol.
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3005[20:24:42] <petn-randall> !lol
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3006[20:24:42] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or
bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you
look like an AOL user.
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3007[20:24:54] <tomy> thtas sounds like a fishy question
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3008[20:25:00] <the_custodian> yeah but what if i am an aol user
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3009[20:25:04] <syslq> tomy, it is... it's a joke I suppose
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3010[20:25:25] <the_custodian> i think if enough of us get back
on aol instant messenger we might be able to rescue it from its
impending doom
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3011[20:26:03] <syslq> the_custodian, he might not understand the
difference between kernel space and user space but guy's
questions seem legit... It's a support channel after all :)
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3012[20:26:15] <petn-randall> the_custodian: Try to keep the SNR
high.
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3014[20:26:44] <jelly> the_custodian, next line that that gets
you banned for a day.
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3017[20:27:01] <neredsenvy> Anyone here using supervisor knows if
you can manually call it and pass it .conf file in a separate
location or with a different name ?
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3021[20:28:25] <tomy> my impression of #debian is that its not
just for the super experts
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3025[20:29:13] <arora> Debian is simple, it just takes a genius
to understand its simplicity.
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3026[20:29:17] <the_custodian> apparently shitty jokes
aren't welcome either, good to know! i'm new here.
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3027[20:29:18] <syslq> tomy, debian is not just for super
experts... Basically anyone with normal IQ should be able to use it
once it's installed & configured
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3029[20:29:28] <syslq> Much like any other os
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3031[20:30:35] <dixie7z__> i dont have problems with debian but
only when im upgrading dist-upgrading -.- and im using stable...
xubuntu is more stable than debian
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3034[20:31:06] <dixie7z__> but i like the logo....
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3035[20:31:25] <syslq> dixie7z__, great then xubuntu works for
you, use it. I think it's based on testing or even unstable
though
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3036[20:32:07] <syslq> They lost me with that amazon search
integration... I never could get over it :)
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3037[20:32:16] <tomy> what are the basic differences between
debian 8 and 9 ?
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3038[20:32:51] <petn-randall> tomy:
replaced-url
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3039[20:32:53] <syslq> tomy, rule of thumb, once release hits
stable, you should upgrade. Simple as that.
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3040[20:33:05] <syslq> It's not too often :)
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3041[20:33:16] <jelly> tomy, the release notes for 9 cover some
of the more visible changes
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3042[20:33:18] <tomy> allright ,but why ?
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3043[20:33:25] <dixie7z__> well syslq ... im here because i love
debian and i think that the only way its crashing is because of my
poor knowledge and not because of debian itself... so im here to
learn and fix stuff... :p
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3045[20:34:00] <petn-randall> Well, you have about a year time
after a new release to upgrade, after that the support is limited.
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3049[20:34:45] <syslq> tomy, and that's basically the same
reason you would not want to use xp anymore. No more security
patches, exploits are there to stay...
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3051[20:34:57] <jelly> tomy,
replaced-url
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3055[20:35:31] <tomy> support is limited .does it mean risks on
security or just inconveniences on user levels ?
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3056[20:35:35] <syslq> dixie7z__, probably your hardware (unless
you have done really weird stuf). Debian stabe really is stabl
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3057[20:35:38] <syslq> stable
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3062[20:36:27] <jelly> tomy, debian 8 (jessie) will have security
support until around May 2018, and most likely some sort of security
support by debian LTS team until 2020
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3066[20:37:01] <dixie7z__> well now i have a driver nvidia
problem... lightdm crashes on boot on new kernel.. on old kernel its
fine... i installed it trought nvidia site... with ubuntu .deb
package... maybe thats the problem... im not sure... im sticking
with old kernel for now
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3067[20:37:06] <dixie7z__> syslq,
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3068[20:37:23] <aloo_shu> the_custodian: I sure was lmao.
Sometimes #debian-offtopic is nice, sometimes, too, it's dead.
there's always the option to begin something here and move over
when it begins being out of place
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3069[20:37:24] <tomy> thats good to hear
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3070[20:37:28] <BenNZ> dixie7z__: did you install the kernel
headers ?
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3073[20:38:09] <jelly> tomy, you'll want to do a release
upgrade to 9 before that, or keep your system off the internet
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3074[20:38:21] <dixie7z__> BenNZ, yes i did
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3078[20:39:18] <tomy> keep you r system off the net ...that
sounds sooo apocalyptic....
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3080[20:40:13] <syslq> tomy, are you trolling or you don't
understand how unpatched exploits work?
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3081[20:40:44] <tomy> i do know lilttle about linux
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3083[20:41:10] <BenNZ> dixie7z__: did dkms build the kernel
module ?
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3085[20:41:39] <dixie7z__> nope... how to do that
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3086[20:41:41] <syslq> tomy, that's generic computing
knowledge and applies to all systems
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3088[20:41:50] <syslq> tomy,
replaced-url
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3089[20:42:20] <jelly> it's not about linux, just about
unmaintained software. If there's no internet access
there's a lot less ways to abuse a system
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3090[20:42:26] <dixie7z__> BeNZ.... give me a link please with
commands... thx :) will try that
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3091[20:42:28] <syslq> exactly
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3092[20:43:23] <aloo_shu> now, and is that more on-topic than
wandering from ssh hardening to honeypots?
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3094[20:43:56] <dixie7z__> BeNZ it says in apt-get linux-headers
is already the newest version
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3096[20:44:08] <dixie7z__> is that enough?
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3097[20:44:17] <DerLGm> jelly: i met RMS thr other day
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3099[20:44:39] <DerLGm> he said most of the time he doesnt have a
net connection
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3100[20:44:54] <jelly> aloo_shu, keep this channel for tech
support, please; discussing what's offtopic is also offtopic.
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3101[20:45:00] <petn-randall> the_custodian: There's a fine
line between shitty jokes and trolling. The former is tolerated in
here, as long as you're not making support difficult or
spamming the channel with it. If you're new (not only #debian,
but anywhere), it's always a good idea to listen how people
interact and see what's ok and not ok behaviour.
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3102[20:45:01] <DerLGm> Stallman doesnt go on irc
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3113[20:49:26] <altendky> jhutchins: installing the gstreamer
backend for phonon, preferring it, and rebooting seems to have
worked so far. i guess there's an issue with the vlc backend
that was installed and used by default.
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3114[20:49:29] <the_custodian> anyone have any tips for hardening
a new debian-stretch server?, or maybe a link to a comprehensive
guide somewhere?
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3124[20:58:08] <syslq> the_custodian, I always install fail2ban
if that helps
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3125[20:58:15] <BenNZ> dixie7z__: sorry was afk , try sudo
apt-0get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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3128[20:59:12] <BenNZ> dixie7z__: oops typo apt-get , but you
probably saw that anyway
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3129[20:59:14] <the_custodian> that's just generalized
bruteforce protection, yes?
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3130[20:59:19] <the_custodian> what about kernel-hardening?
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3139[21:04:06] <dixie7z__> it says is already the newest version
:( BeNZ
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3140[21:04:53] <jelly> the_custodian, there's no easy single
thing to be done about kernel hardening since grsecurity closed
access, but wait for KSPP to slowly merge bits and pieces to
mainline
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3141[21:05:06] <dixie7z__> nevermind. ill stick to old kernel
till newer comes out and maybe fixes the problem
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3142[21:05:06] <BenNZ> dixie7z__: did the module for nvidia get
built
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3143[21:05:55] <dixie7z__> im mining altcoins with nvidia on old
kernel... its working
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3144[21:06:02] <petn-randall> the_custodian: The Debian handbook
has some good info on how to do that:
replaced-url
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3147[21:06:25] <dixie7z__> so probably yes
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3149[21:06:34] <petn-randall> the_custodian: TL;DR: You need to
read into and understand the threats, there is not single
"security" button to push to magically make your system
more secure.
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3154[21:08:53] <jelly> well, there _used_ to be a collection of
buttons in one handy patch
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3161[21:13:48] <the_custodian> i figured as much, i wasn't
necessaarily looking for a magic button or a single package i could
install but rather a comprehensive overview of the potential threats
or vulnerabilities that may be exploited and ways to prevent such a
thing from occurring.
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3162[21:14:19] <the_custodian> i suppose a quick google search
would be helpfulp, but i figured someone here may know of one or
maybe have some strong opinions about such matters
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3169[21:15:45] <the_custodian> but yeah on some level i imagine
it's all very specific to the context in which you plan on
using the server as well.
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3174[21:17:19] <petn-randall> the_custodian: If you keep your
system up-to-date, you already covered 95% of all security threats.
Everything else is handling the remaining 5%.
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3177[21:17:55] <no_gravity> Strange. Depending on where I sit in
my apartment, different WiFi channels give me the best performance.
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3180[21:18:32] <no_gravity> And it's not a small difference.
The channel that works best on one side of the room is pretty much
unusable on the other side.
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3181[21:18:33] <inSync> no_gravity: not that strange at all
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3182[21:18:40] <jelly> no_gravity, now you learned something
about geometry and microwaves
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3186[21:19:10] <petn-randall> And that other people also have
wifi hotspots that interfere.
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3188[21:19:38] <inSync> petn-randall: that's where i was
going
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3189[21:19:43] <no_gravity> petn-randall: What did I learn?
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3192[21:20:11] <no_gravity> Maybe I should look for an apartment
with optimized WiFi geometry?
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3198[21:21:34] <syslq> no_gravity, maybe you should consider
increasing your tx strength, it's cheaper...
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3202[21:22:03] <inSync> syslq: lol, maybe a better antenna
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3203[21:22:06] <syslq> With a lot of noise you need to speak
louder... either that or use antena
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3204[21:22:10] <syslq> yes... :)
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3210[21:24:05] <syslq> no_gravity, I have something like
replaced-url
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3211[21:25:15] <syslq> you don't need external obviously
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3214[21:25:56] <syslq> And intel chip would help if laptop is
linux
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3219[21:27:44] <jelly> no_gravity, maybe to ask about the reasons
and workarounds in ##networking or #wireless
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3222[21:29:09] <jelly> syslq, I got better stability with _less_
tx, talking to coworker's AP through two floors and a
load-bearing wall
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3228[21:30:35] <inSync> jelly: i had that problem, but it turned
out i was using the wrong openwrt build on my router, bad kernel
support for the wifi nic
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3240[21:33:38] <syslq> jelly, that's kind of weird. Higher
tx should yield better results in any case, unless I don't
understand something properly
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3241[21:34:14] <syslq> You would cause more interferance for
others but for you comm should be better
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3243[21:34:32] <syslq> That's why we have 100mw limit in EU
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3247[21:35:52] <inSync> syslq: on a RF saturated environment,
less is more
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3248[21:36:48] <syslq> inSync, I doubt that applies to signal
strenght.
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3249[21:36:57] <petn-randall> syslq: I'd assume neighbouring
APs/clients will increase transmit power when they have difficulties
reaching each other.
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3251[21:37:08] <syslq> petn-randall, yep... :)
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3253[21:37:31] <syslq> That's why 100mw legal minit for this
spectrum in consumer grade networks
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3254[21:37:43] <syslq> s/minit/limit
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3255[21:38:21] <syslq> It's better to use directed antenna,
that to flood entire frequency range.
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3261[21:39:58] <petn-randall> syslq: It's up to 1,000 mW for
the 5 GHz range. Also, not sure how that exactly relates to this
issue.
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you're right it's irrelevant by now.
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3336[22:15:06] <fripster> hi all. Trying to install Gufw on
testing. But it is broken. Anyone a clue why?
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3339[22:15:48] <fripster> error: "gufw : Depends:
gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 but it is not going to be installed"
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3340[22:16:05] <fripster> Trying to follow this is like going
down a rabbit hole
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3341[22:16:45] <fripster> any tips on how to find the culprit?
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3344[22:20:00] <fripster> nobody?
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3345[22:20:04] <jhutchins> fripster: That usually indicates that
you've mixed packages from differrent releases.
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3346[22:20:17] <fripster> ah... that's not good
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3347[22:20:22] <fripster> could be the case tho
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3349[22:20:23] <jhutchins> fripster: Do you have contrib and
non-free enabled?
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3350[22:20:26] <petn-randall> !bat
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3351[22:20:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3352[22:20:33] <dixie7z__> BenNZ... i figured it out... you were
right thanks for your help.. i run installer for nvidia from their
site on old kernel.. now i did it on new one... now it works...
thanks :)
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3353[22:20:36] <fripster> thank you. will make a clean install
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3355[22:20:45] <petn-randall> fripster: Can you provide *all* the
above details from dpkg's message?
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3357[22:21:22] <jhutchins> dixie7z__: The Nvidia installer should
offer to set up dkms for you - you might have to install dkms before
you run it. That will recognize a new kernel at boot and re-build
the driver.
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3358[22:22:21] <dixie7z__> jhutchins, i installer dkms 10 minutes
ago.. now it will work alright :)
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3360[22:22:29] <dixie7z__> i installed*
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3361[22:23:20] <dixie7z__> why dkms isnt installed by default?
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3362[22:23:26] <dixie7z__> on debian 9
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3384[22:31:52] <teraflops> dixie7z__: because it's not
needed unless a package depends on it
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3388[22:33:29] <sillyslux> is there a way to pause the boot
process?
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3390[22:33:55] <sillyslux> and maybe to step from message to
message?
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3409[22:44:37] <sillyslux> ctrl-s to pause and ctrl-q to resume,
shift-pgUp/pgDown to scroll
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3418[22:49:53] <jelly> sillyslux, that typically does not stop
the process, only its output
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3419[22:50:22] <sillyslux> oh, hm, better than nothing :(
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