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• 1[00:00:41] <dvs> fuddie, replaced-url
• 2[00:00:58] <fuddie> thank you for the hyperlink dvs !
• 3[00:01:02] <trelos> replaced-url
• 4[00:01:04] <dvs> no prob
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• 12[00:02:46] <fuddie> Is there a command I can use on ubuntu/gnome to find out what wireless card I have?
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• 14[00:03:19] <Brigo> fuddie, lspci, i guess.
• 15[00:03:27] <fuddie> oh, i skipped right over that haha
• 16[00:03:29] <Brigo> or lsusb or, even better iwconfig
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• 18[00:04:54] <trelos> replaced-url
• 19[00:05:31] <Vizva> and what do the flag there at start?
• 20[00:06:19] <Vizva> racist propaganda
• 21[00:06:39] <trelos> the highest rated comment reads: You've always hit the nail on the head, all you require is a far larger platform for your knowledge to be heard.
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• 23[00:06:56] <TomTomTosch> !ops ^
• 24[00:06:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: ^
• 25[00:07:14] <dvs> I hate carots too!
• 26[00:07:17] <Vizva> can i complain too , how>?
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• 30[00:07:26] <fuddie> Qualcomm Atheros AR9227 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
• 31[00:07:28] <trelos> Well, they are destroying the entire planet and have no connection to nature or anything/anyone, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Either way, they must be stopped.
• 32[00:07:46] <Vizva> they are human too, your bullshit
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• 37[00:08:06] <linuxthefish> hi, when i boot my debian 7 laptop it gets stuck with an underscore character on the screen and does not respond to keyboard commands such as ctrl+alt+F1. i can boot into recovery mode but as soon as i run "service lightdm start" it freezes again :(
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• 42[00:08:53] <linuxthefish> stupid aliens breaking my debian lol
• 43[00:09:07] <Vizva> hehe
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• 45[00:09:21] <trelos> The Chabad Lubavitchers, the most powerful and influential group of these world destroyers, believe that gentiles are non-living souls, literally a different and eternally inferior species of soul, literal excrement left over after the creation process, and that the Jews themselves are the only actual living souls, and that they alone are the same quality of substance of the Godhead himself.
• 46[00:09:37] <trelos> In their belief system, in the Zohar for instance, it states clearly that when their messiah comes, all gentiles on the face of the Earth will be be enslaved, as most are already through fractional reserve usurious banking systems and so on, and ultimately all killed, every last one of us, and sent to dwell in hell under the Angel Duma, whoever that is.
• 47[00:09:40] <Vizva> youre a fish what do you expect?
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• 49[00:10:00] <Vizva> kick trelos
• 50[00:10:08] <Vizva> he is a troll from mars
• 51[00:10:11] <trelos> replaced-url
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• 59[00:11:47] <Vizva> we thank you all
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• 64[00:15:25] <fuddie> thx mods
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• 72[00:27:34] <hamsheet_> what is the current debian way of changing the default route in a persistent way so that it survices boots
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• 74[00:27:40] <hamsheet_> survives
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• 80[00:30:13] <sh00p> hamsheet_ i might be wrong but post-up in /etc/network/interfaces
• 81[00:30:20] <sh00p> this is how I do it at least
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• 87[00:31:00] <sh00p> maybe not the default route, but a route at least
• 88[00:31:00] <hamsheet_> sh00p: how? I saw using gateway or some scripts but not sure which one is the right way, i will use it for a remote so i do not want to loose connection to the remote
• 89[00:31:35] <sh00p> post-up /sbin/route add net a.b.c.d gw a.b.c.d
• 90[00:31:39] <sh00p> i dont remember syntax
• 91[00:32:02] <hamsheet_> in my case multiple interfaces and i want the default route to be one I choose
• 92[00:32:03] <sh00p> but the idea is to call the route command as a post-up routine
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• 94[00:32:13] <hamsheet_> ok so it is not the gateway method but a script one
• 95[00:32:19] <hamsheet_> I see
• 96[00:32:48] <sh00p> somebody may have a better idea
• 97[00:32:53] <hamsheet_> ok thanks for your help
• 98[00:32:57] <sh00p> np <3
• 99[00:34:18] <sh00p> hmm wait, if it's for the default gateway why not just add it as a gateway statement
• 100[00:34:22] <sh00p> for all interfaces
• 101[00:34:24] <sh00p> derrp
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• 183[01:15:10] <user003> Having issues with lxc
• 184[01:15:14] <user003> replaced-url
• 185[01:16:52] <user003> replaced-url
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• 212[01:33:04] <sailorbrendan> I'm not very good at linux and have been trying to update some software for a while and am mostly failing
• 213[01:33:25] <sailorbrendan> trying to update Darktable, but can't make it actually build
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• 218[01:35:20] <AlexLikeRock> sailorbrendan, what you need ?
• 219[01:35:21] <arkanel> What's your issue ?
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• 221[01:37:04] <sailorbrendan> it looks like turtles all the way down. I tried to install darktable and apparently my cmake isn't 3.9+ so that didn't work. So I tried to update my cmake and it was kicking an error about my llmv so I tried to fix that and i don't know how
• 222[01:37:46] <arkanel> You downloaded cmake from where ?
• 223[01:38:16] <sailorbrendan> most recently from them cmake, but i've been using what debian came with till about an hour ago
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• 225[01:38:30] <TomTomTosch> the latest cmake release is only 3.7
• 226[01:38:45] <sailorbrendan> maybe i'm getting my problems backwards... one sec
• 227[01:39:06] <TomTomTosch> and you can get 3.6.2 from jessie-backport without screwing things up.
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• 229[01:39:48] <sailorbrendan> ok..... so cmake doesn't like my llvm when i try to build darktable
• 230[01:39:58] <dfcnvt> I felt it was a mistake to use a command, "mv 2gb_file /diff/dir" -- it just left hanging. Is there a way to default-ify 'mv' command to give me the status of progress?
• 231[01:40:02] <arkanel> if the script is checking for 3.9 min
• 232[01:40:38] <TomTomTosch> sailorbrendan: what version of cmake do you actually need?
• 233[01:40:40] <arkanel> it wont swrew anything but i dont think i will be solved
• 234[01:40:53] <TomTomTosch> 3.9 does not exist.
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• 236[01:41:09] <e-volusian> dfcnvt: don't think so. I've looked into that exact same thing before
• 237[01:41:10] <sailorbrendan> I think my cmake is ok now, but I can't build the llvm that it wants
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• 239[01:41:42] <sailorbrendan> heres what happens when i try to build darktable
• 240[01:41:43] <sailorbrendan> replaced-url
• 241[01:41:54] <e-volusian> dfcnvt: there's some command out there that supposedly gives progress for filesystem commands like cp, mv, and rm but I never got it to work or provide meaningful output
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• 243[01:43:09] <TomTomTosch> llvm 3.9 is not packaged in the official debian repos yet.
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• 245[01:43:28] <dfcnvt> e-volusian: Yea -- I was thinking of alias-ing it. Only once I know what's the argument/options for progressive status (like percentage or size/complete_size)
• 246[01:43:39] <sailorbrendan> so basically I can't do it without breaking stuff?
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• 248[01:44:45] <TomTomTosch> not easily. if i were you i would try building it in a chroot without borking your system. you just need to make sure that you have all the shared libs needed on your system afterwards.
• 249[01:45:24] <sailorbrendan> TomTomTosch, yeah... that's honestly getting into more than I really know how to do
• 250[01:48:23] <e-volusian> dfcnvt: i'm not aware of any such option built-in to any of the standard commands, unless you patch and rebuild from source which comes with its own set of problems
• 251[01:48:34] <TomTomTosch> sailorbrendan: do you desperately need 2.2.0? jessie-backports offers version 2.0.7
• 252[01:48:59] <sailorbrendan> any 2 would be nice. i'm on 1.4 currently
• 253[01:49:27] <TomTomTosch> sailorbrendan: then follow these: replaced-url
• 254[01:49:47] <dfcnvt> e-volusian: Maybe I'll just have to ask someone in #bash and ask for a new script -- then I'll have to alias it "mvs" for "move-with-status"
• 255[01:50:20] <dfcnvt> Patching it seem like a haggle.
• 256[01:50:27] <dfcnvt> hassle**
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• 265[01:59:35] <dfcnvt> e-volusian: "bar" command seem to be part of the solutionl
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• 276[02:02:42] <Windowsforever> Is this a dead channel
• 277[02:02:52] <ksft> huh?
• 278[02:03:00] <ksft> you joined like two minutes ago
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• 280[02:03:01] <baum> Windowsforever: ?
• 281[02:03:16] <ksft> I have a Broadcom 4352 network card that I can't get working.
• 282[02:03:18] <dfcnvt> It's possible -- that we were jumped into the afterlife, not realising it.
• 283[02:03:24] <ksft> I'm on Debian 8.6
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• 287[02:03:41] <ksft> I followed these instructions: replaced-url
• 288[02:04:22] <ksft> it says this when I run `modprobe wl`: replaced-url
• 289[02:04:35] <Windowsforever> Instructions??? Let me guess... You have a vagina?
• 290[02:04:45] <ksft> !ops
• 291[02:04:45] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
• 292[02:05:26] <Windowsforever> Lol
• 293[02:05:45] <arkanel> dont feed the troll
• 294[02:05:56] <ksft> arkanel: I'm not
• 295[02:06:34] <Windowsforever> Yea Aiden shut up
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• 297[02:07:01] <ksft> dpkg: ops Windowsforever is trolling
• 298[02:07:01] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ksft complains about: Windowsforever is trolling
• 299[02:07:06] <arkanel> if i have to pike a guess, on a debian chan, windowsforever is like a provocation, wasnt talking about you
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• 301[02:08:32] <TomTomTosch> ksft: did you install the sta driver? replaced-url
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• 305[02:09:54] <baum> any recommendations on reading material regarding firewall configurations for amateur webservers?
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• 307[02:10:26] <ksft> TomTomTosch: yes
• 308[02:10:40] <Windowsforever> Is anyone else hacking here?
• 309[02:10:46] <bazhang> baum, the iptables manual?
• 310[02:11:09] <bazhang> baum, #netfilter might have some recommends as well
• 311[02:11:13] <Windowsforever> Got some interesting IP locations from some of you guys
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• 315[02:11:45] <baum> bazhang: alright thanks
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• 318[02:12:03] <Windowsforever> All over the world! Nice
• 319[02:12:12] <TomTomTosch> ksft: did you run modprobe as root?
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• 322[02:12:15] *** Windowsforever was kicked by somiaj (you should know better)
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• 324[02:12:48] <TomTomTosch> thanks :)
• 325[02:13:16] <AlexLikeRock> tanks somiaj o/
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• 343[02:21:52] <camidon2> ls
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• 349[02:23:43] <dvs> rm camidon2 ;-)
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• 354[02:26:44] <camidon2> i add debug log=/var/log/ps_exec.log to /etc/pam.d/login but doesnt seem to write anything to the log
• 355[02:27:38] <camidon2> i add it to the pam_exec.so that executes uname
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• 396[02:51:47] <SamSagaZ_> guys, im lost
• 397[02:51:54] <SamSagaZ_> cant delete some directories and cant figure why
• 398[02:51:56] <SamSagaZ_> rm: cannot remove ‘cgi-bin’: Permission denied
• 399[02:51:57] <SamSagaZ_> :(
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• 408[02:59:57] <arkanel> my dns are being ddos, can someone provide me working ones ? it would help
• 409[03:00:23] <bazhang> arkanel, the ones from google?
• 410[03:00:29] <arkanel> yep
• 411[03:00:37] <tomreyn> 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
• 412[03:00:37] <bazhang> which are those arkanel
• 413[03:00:40] <Anselmo> 96.90.175.167 I use this
• 414[03:00:50] <Anselmo> (open nic)
• 415[03:01:07] <bazhang> #networking then arkanel
• 416[03:02:10] <arkanel> okay sorry, i'll try these one and setup dnscrypt
• 417[03:02:28] <tomreyn> SamSagaZ_: you probably lack permission to do so?
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• 421[03:02:56] <ksft> TomTomTosch: yes, I ran it as root
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• 423[03:04:14] <SamSagaZ_> tomreyn, im trying to delete as root
• 424[03:04:17] <SamSagaZ_> is damn strange!
• 425[03:05:08] <SamSagaZ_> i chmod the directory to 777 too
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• 427[03:05:21] <SamSagaZ_> and cant delete it either
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• 429[03:07:25] <tomreyn> SamSagaZ_: try lsattr cgi-bin
• 430[03:07:39] <tomreyn> it's probably immutable then
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• 433[03:09:00] <LtL> SamSagaZ_: stat thedir, is the sticky, group or user bit set? chmod 0777 dir/ ; rm -rf
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• 436[03:09:21] <SamSagaZ_> not immutable
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• 438[03:11:44] <SamSagaZ_> Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 5004/ web1) Gid: ( 5005/ client1)
• 439[03:12:08] <tomreyn> and lsattr says?
• 440[03:12:35] <SamSagaZ_> nothing
• 441[03:12:47] <SamSagaZ_> empty response
• 442[03:12:52] <tomreyn> it should say something, though
• 443[03:13:15] <SamSagaZ_> dont say anything
• 444[03:13:46] <tomreyn> you did "lsattr cgi-bin" ?
• 445[03:14:28] <SamSagaZ_> yes
• 446[03:14:31] <SamSagaZ_> web1 lsattr cgi-bin
• 447[03:14:31] <SamSagaZ_> ➜ web1
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• 449[03:16:05] <LtL> SamSagaZ_: stop your webserver and try, but at your own peril
• 450[03:16:18] <SamSagaZ_> already tried it
• 451[03:16:22] <SamSagaZ_> :/
• 452[03:16:24] <LtL> hrm
• 453[03:16:34] <SamSagaZ_> maybe the HDD is broken?
• 454[03:16:36] <SamSagaZ_> is that possible?
• 455[03:16:40] <tomreyn> or the file system is
• 456[03:16:43] <SamSagaZ_> btw, i open a ticket in the server
• 457[03:16:50] <SamSagaZ_> server support
• 458[03:17:16] <SamSagaZ_> hope not, just 3 weeks since i ordered this box :/
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• 460[03:17:57] <tomreyn> is it a virtual server?
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• 463[03:18:07] <SamSagaZ_> no, dedicated one
• 464[03:18:40] <tomreyn> maybe you can temporarily unmount the file system and run a fsck
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• 466[03:21:10] <SamSagaZ_> yes asked the support to run fsck or at least give me kvm to let me boot into single mode
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• 471[03:22:49] <SamSagaZ_> looks like the support are working on the server root 5863 0.0 0.0 46380 3184 pts/1 S 18:19 0:00 su root
• 472[03:22:50] <SamSagaZ_> :D
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• 475[03:28:22] <tomreyn> they, or one of the ssh brute forcers :P
• 476[03:29:57] <ksft> `modprobe wl` is saying this: replaced-url
• 477[03:30:30] <ksft> I'm trying to follow these instructions to get my network card to work: replaced-url
• 478[03:30:46] <ksft> It's a Broadcom 4352, and I'm on Debian 8.6.
• 479[03:32:02] <somiaj> ksft: I think you have to compile wl first.
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• 482[03:32:59] <somiaj> ksft: what was the result of installing the linux-headers package and the -dkms package for the staging driver?
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• 484[03:33:12] <somiaj> ksft: also if running a jessie-backports kernel, did you get the headers from jessie-backports
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• 489[03:35:10] <ksft> somiaj: they installed successfully
• 490[03:35:31] <ksft> I'm not sure what a jessie-backports kernel is
• 491[03:35:34] <somiaj> ksft: that doens't mean the module built sucessfuly
• 492[03:35:39] <ksft> How do I compile wl?
• 493[03:35:54] <somiaj> ksft: give me the full output of 'dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms'
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• 497[03:37:29] <ksft> running…
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• 499[03:37:47] <SamSagaZ_> well, support cant fix anything damn
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• 501[03:38:26] <ksft> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 503[03:40:00] <SamSagaZ_> stupid answer "If you are unable to perform the same action on other directory then it's a permission and configuration related issue"
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• 505[03:42:37] <somiaj> ksft: the build failed, you'll have to check the log file it pointed you at for more info.
• 506[03:42:55] <somiaj> ksft: it could be the package doesn't build with the backports kernel, which is the kernel you are using
• 507[03:43:08] <somiaj> ,v broadcom-sta-dkms
• 508[03:43:09] <judd> Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-4; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-5
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• 510[03:43:20] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 511[03:43:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
• 512[03:43:57] <somiaj> ksft: you will probably want to upgrade to the 4.8 kernel from jessie backports, and use the meta package so you can keep up to date. And then isntall the driver from jessie-backports as that might be what is needed to compile against the newer kernel
• 513[03:44:02] <somiaj> this also includes upgradeing your linux-headers
• 514[03:44:20] <ksft> okay, how do I do that?
• 515[03:44:31] <ksft> wait, I think I'm using the 4.8 kernel
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• 517[03:44:42] <ksft> no, nevermind
• 518[03:44:45] <somiaj> well acording to that log, it was trying to buidl for the 4.7 kernel
• 519[03:44:48] <ksft> I'm not
• 520[03:45:16] <ksft> how do I upgrade to the 4.8 kernel?
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• 523[03:45:41] <somiaj> Anyways, apt-get -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 broadcom-sta-dkms
• 524[03:46:18] <awal1> install ^
• 525[03:46:33] <somiaj> missing an install
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• 527[03:46:41] <ksft> I would've figured that out eventually
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• 529[03:46:48] <somiaj> right before linux-image-amd64
• 530[03:47:05] <ksft> it says they're all already installed
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• 532[03:47:13] <somiaj> apt-get update
• 533[03:47:16] <somiaj> maybe you haven't run that in a while
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• 535[03:47:38] <ksft> ah, there we go
• 536[03:48:00] <somiaj> you should do that and run apt-get upgrade regurally. That will keep things up to date
• 537[03:48:09] <somiaj> actually with backport kernels, you may need dist-upgrade
• 538[03:48:10] <ksft> okay
• 539[03:48:16] <dvs> somiaj, you forgot the word "install"
• 540[03:48:21] <ksft> what does it mean to "use the meta package so you can keep up to date"?
• 541[03:48:32] <somiaj> dvs: yea we noticed.
• 542[03:48:40] <dvs> ah
• 543[03:48:43] <ksft> finished installing those
• 544[03:48:50] <ksft> should I dist-upgrade now?
• 545[03:48:52] <somiaj> ksft: linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 are both meta packages
• 546[03:49:03] <ksft> what distro version will that upgrade to?
• 547[03:49:06] <somiaj> ksft: they will pull in the new kernels if you run apt-get dist-upgrade in the future
• 548[03:49:25] <ksft> what's a meta package?
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• 552[03:49:49] <somiaj> ksft: in this case it should stay jessie + jessie-backports. This will ensure your system has the newest packages (which is just a newer kernel and security updates)
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• 554[03:50:00] <ksft> okay
• 555[03:50:07] <somiaj> ksft: it is just a package that depends on other packages. So it's only role is to install other packages on your system, i.e. the actuall kernel.
• 556[03:50:10] <ksft> so should I run dist-upgrade now?
• 557[03:50:18] <somiaj> ksft: this way as kernel changes, the meta package will bring the new kernel in with it when it is upgraded
• 558[03:50:22] <somiaj> ksft: if you haven't in a while I would.
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• 560[03:50:27] <ksft> alright
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• 562[03:50:38] <ksft> I'm on 8.6, which I thought was the newest stable version
• 563[03:50:42] <somiaj> ksft: but that is independent of getting the driver to work, which just means ensuring the kernel and module are from jessie-backports
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• 565[03:50:58] <somiaj> ksft: correct, but there have been some security updates since then, and you are using jessie-backport packages which may get upgraded too
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• 568[03:51:20] <somiaj> ksft: now that you have installed the newer kernel, module and drivers, rerun that dpkg-reconfigure command and see if the module sucesffully builds
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• 570[03:51:27] <ksft> okay
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• 572[03:52:28] <ksft> "Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (x86_64)'
• 573[03:52:31] <ksft> "*
• 574[03:52:50] <ksft> do I need to reboot or something?
• 575[03:53:15] <somiaj> ksft: that shouldn't matter, did it build for the 4.8 kenrel?
• 576[03:54:07] <ksft> somiaj: I'm not sure. Here's the full output: replaced-url
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• 578[03:54:20] <ksft> I think it did
• 579[03:54:50] <somiaj> ksft: this was after you installed the 4.8 kernels. What does apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 output?
• 580[03:55:12] <ksft> "Installed: 4.8+77~bpo8+1"
• 581[03:55:18] <ksft> is that the relevant part?
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• 583[03:55:50] <somiaj> you could see if rebooting and removing the old 4.7 kernel works
• 584[03:56:00] <ksft> in that order?
• 585[03:56:01] <somiaj> you could also read that build log and try to figure out why it is failing.
• 586[03:56:10] <somiaj> you'll have to reboot before removing the kernel you are running on
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• 588[03:56:19] <ksft> okay
• 589[03:56:28] <ksft> rebooting…
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• 595[03:58:54] <ksft> okay, I rebooted
• 596[03:59:04] <ksft> it said it was starting the 4.8 kernel
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• 599[03:59:29] <ksft> do I need to remove the old kernel before it'll work?
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• 601[03:59:33] <somiaj> you can now remove the 4.7 kernel image and kernel headers package.
• 602[03:59:46] <somiaj> well I'm unsure why it isn't trying to also build for the 4.8 kernel, but this is just a guess
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• 604[04:00:22] <ksft> which packages are those?
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• 606[04:00:43] <ksft> linux-headers-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64?
• 607[04:00:44] <somiaj> don't know their name, search your isntalled package.s they will be linux-image-something and linux-headers-something
• 608[04:00:47] <somiaj> yea those
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• 612[04:01:23] <ksft> I have some 4.6 packages installed too
• 613[04:01:40] <somiaj> you don't need those any more either
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• 615[04:02:15] <somiaj> but from the log, Building for 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, it is trying to build for both, but erroring out ont he first, so that is why we are removing it
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• 617[04:02:51] <ksft> okay, I removed all the old kernel packages
• 618[04:03:06] <ksft> should I try dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms again?
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• 620[04:04:33] <ksft> somiaj: "Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 (x86_64)"
• 621[04:04:35] <somiaj> yea, and see if it builds sucessfully for the 4.8 kernel
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• 623[04:04:51] <somiaj> hmm, apt-cache policy broadcom-sta-dkms output at paste.debian.net
• 624[04:06:48] <ksft> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 637[04:13:58] <somiaj> ksft: mayte paste the log file it mentions in the build error, though I'm not finding any bugs as to why it isn't building.
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• 641[04:14:48] <ksft> sreplaced-url
• 642[04:14:52] <ksft> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 644[04:19:02] <somiaj> ksft: I see the error, don't know how to fix it. You could try to submit a bug against brodcom-sta-dkms package with that log showing it won't build, but i'm unsure what the issue could actually be and if it is fixable.
• 645[04:19:53] <ksft> how do I report a bug?
• 646[04:20:22] <somiaj> !reportbug
• 647[04:20:22] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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• 649[04:21:35] <ksft> I'm not sure which mode to choose
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• 651[04:21:39] <ksft> novice or standard
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• 654[04:26:32] <ksft> bugreport says my broadcom-sta-dkms is out of date
• 655[04:27:21] <ksft> apt-get upgrade isn't doing anything
• 656[04:27:57] <dvs> ksft, Looks like the IEEE80211_BAND_2GHZ define is no longer in the 4.x kernels. It's now called IEEE80211_BANDID_2G. That error will probably go away with the 3.x kernel
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• 659[04:29:33] <ksft> dvs: I don't know what that means
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• 662[04:30:12] <dvs> ksft, if you can install a 3.x kernel the broadcom driver might compile.
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• 664[04:30:39] <ksft> dvs: won't I have an old kernel if I do that?
• 665[04:30:41] <ksft> is that bad?
• 666[04:31:10] <dvs> ksft, If you upgraded your kernel for other reasons that it would be bad.
• 667[04:31:37] <dvs> s/that/then
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• 669[04:32:46] <ksft> I don't think I have
• 670[04:33:10] <ksft> there's no way to get it to compile on the newer kernel?
• 671[04:33:17] <ksft> is that a bug I should report?
• 672[04:33:27] <dvs> ksft, not with that version of broadcom-sta-dkms
• 673[04:33:54] <ksft> okay, should I use a different version?
• 674[04:34:02] <ksft> a newer one?
• 675[04:34:18] <dvs> ksft, if there is a newer one available
• 676[04:34:26] <dvs> ,v broadcom-sta-dkms
• 677[04:34:27] <judd> Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-4; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-5
• 678[04:35:13] <ksft> so that package is using IEEE80211_BAND_2GHZ, but it should be using IEEE80211_BAND_2G?
• 679[04:35:35] <dvs> ksft, yes, that's what the error looks like.
• 680[04:35:54] <ksft> that seems like an easy bug to fix
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• 683[04:37:11] <dvs> oh wait, that's reversed. It should use IEEE80211_BANDID_2G instead of IEEE80211_BAND_2GH
• 684[04:37:15] <dvs> Z
• 685[04:38:04] <ksft> that's what I wrote
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• 689[04:38:33] <ksft> is that more difficult to fix than it seems?
• 690[04:39:22] <dvs> ksft, I think so if the kernel maintainers changed more than that define. (Which I suspect they did).
• 691[04:39:38] <ksft> should I report that bug?
• 692[04:40:11] <dvs> ksft, sounds like it was already reported if bugreport says that package is out of date.
• 693[04:40:23] <ksft> how do I update the package, then?
• 694[04:41:00] <dvs> ksft, I'd look at the bug report to see if there is an update availab.e
• 695[04:41:19] <ksft> if there wasn't an update available, it wouldn't be out of date
• 696[04:42:21] <ksft> it says "sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-5" and "stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-4" are available and newer
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• 699[04:45:04] <dvs> ksft, it's newer, but not much.
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• 701[04:45:51] <ksft> dvs: how do I update?
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• 703[04:47:32] <dvs> ksft, I'd download the deb package from replaced-url
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• 707[04:49:20] <ksft> dvs: I think I tried that already and got the same error
• 708[04:49:43] <likcoras_> Is there a way to prevent wicd from editing resolv.conf?
• 709[04:49:48] <ksft> no, nevermind, I tried an older one earlier
• 710[04:49:57] <dvs> ksft, ok, that's the last thing I can think of.
• 711[04:50:17] <likcoras_> I'm trying to manage resolv.conf with just the resolvconf package, but wicd keeps messing it up.
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• 713[04:50:45] <ksft> it worked, I think!
• 714[04:51:04] <ksft> four warnings
• 715[04:51:34] <ksft> what do I do now?
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• 717[04:51:49] <dvs> ksft, I guess you can try "modprobe wl" to see if it works.
• 718[04:52:01] <ksft> it did!
• 719[04:52:10] <dvs> O_O
• 720[04:52:17] <ksft> now what?
• 721[04:52:46] <ksft> AAAAHH
• 722[04:52:54] <ksft> wifi networks appeared!
• 723[04:52:59] <dvs> ksft, Follow the rest of the instructions at replaced-url
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• 725[04:53:15] <||JD||> likcoras_: you can always uninstall network managers and edit your settings by hand, that's what I usually do
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• 727[04:54:05] <dvs> ksft, by the way, don't make a habit of installing .deb files from other releases. In this case, the versions were pretty close that it shouldn't be a problem.
• 728[04:54:15] <likcoras_> I like wicd, though. Especially since I have to deal with WPA enterprise networks
• 729[04:54:30] <ksft> dvs: I won't make a habit of it, because I'm not entirely sure what I did.
• 730[04:54:57] <ksft> can I ask you about another (related, I think) problem?
• 731[04:55:23] <dvs> I forbid it!!!!!! ;-)
• 732[04:55:31] <likcoras_> ||JD||: also, since it's a laptop, I'd rather be able to easily switch between networks, much harder to do if I'm doing stuff manually
• 733[04:55:36] <ksft> I'm trying to pair with a bluetooth device
• 734[04:55:50] <dvs> stop right there. I've never done that before.
• 735[04:55:53] <likcoras_> but also wanted to avoid pulling in networkmanager since gnome.
• 736[04:55:54] <ksft> I've tried using blueman's--
• 737[04:56:16] <ksft> but you just magically fixed a problem I've been having for months
• 738[04:56:38] <dvs> ksft, well, I'd reboot just to make sure it's fixed.
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• 740[04:57:11] <ksft> alright
• 741[04:57:25] <SamSagaZ> guys im trying to boot in single mode without mount /dev/sda1
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• 744[04:57:38] <SamSagaZ> but after boot in single /dev/sda is mounted :(
• 745[04:57:41] <SamSagaZ> and dont let me umount
• 746[04:58:22] <SamSagaZ> why it happend? :/
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• 749[04:59:50] <SamSagaZ> exist other way to boot without mount any filesystem?
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• 752[05:00:38] <likcoras_> SamSagaZ: you want to boot without mounting _anything_?
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• 754[05:00:53] <SamSagaZ> well i need to fsck into /dev/sda1
• 755[05:00:57] <SamSagaZ> and dont let me
• 756[05:01:03] <SamSagaZ> because is mounted
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• 758[05:01:09] <ksft> ah, it still isn't working
• 759[05:01:11] <ksft> oh well
• 760[05:01:13] <likcoras_> I'm assuming your system is on /dev/sda1?
• 761[05:01:24] <SamSagaZ> yes :/
• 762[05:01:43] <likcoras_> You'll need to use some other boot media, since if you unmount it, you wouldn't have a system at all.
• 763[05:01:50] <qman> SamSagaZ: touch /forcefsck && reboot
• 764[05:01:58] <SamSagaZ> qman, yes already do that
• 765[05:02:04] <SamSagaZ> and say clean
• 766[05:02:17] <SamSagaZ> dont understand why cant delete these directories damn
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• 769[05:03:12] <SamSagaZ> looks like HD are ok then the forcefsck show me clean :/
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• 773[05:04:06] <dvs> ksft, try "modprobe wl"
• 774[05:04:56] <ksft> dvs: the network card is working
• 775[05:05:01] <SamSagaZ> damn damn damn rm: cannot remove ‘web1/log’: Permission denied
• 776[05:05:05] <SamSagaZ> how is that possible?
• 777[05:05:19] <SamSagaZ> looks like im the only that have that problem i incredible :/
• 778[05:05:28] <dvs> ksft, Put "wl" on a line by itself in the /etc/modules file
• 779[05:05:47] <ksft> dvs: it seemed to work when I booted before I did that
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• 783[05:06:26] <ksft> oh, I have another problem
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• 785[05:06:29] <ksft> this one's unrelated
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• 787[05:06:53] <ksft> my computer is a laptop with an integrated Intel graphics card and a dedicated Nvidia one
• 788[05:07:25] <ksft> I don't know how to use the Nvidia one
• 789[05:07:57] <bit1> ksft, replaced-url
• 790[05:08:03] <ksft> I've read all that
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• 792[05:08:34] <echosystm> hey friends
• 793[05:08:53] <echosystm> i have eth0 and wlan0, which are both internal interfaces running DHCP
• 794[05:09:23] <echosystm> then i have eth1 (no IP) -> PPPoE (dhcp) -> openvpn (dhcp) -> internet
• 795[05:09:31] <echosystm> also eth1 -> pppoe -> internet
• 796[05:09:32] <echosystm> obviously
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• 798[05:09:58] <echosystm> so eth0 and wlan0 both have static IPs, everything else gets an IP from dhcp
• 799[05:10:10] <ksft> I can't pair with bluetooth devices.
• 800[05:10:19] <echosystm> i want to route everything on the server itself through ppp0
• 801[05:10:26] <ksft> I've tried using blueman's GUI thing and bluetoothctl
• 802[05:10:28] <echosystm> i want to route everything on wlan0 through ppp0
• 803[05:10:42] <echosystm> and everything on eth0 through tun0 (openvpn)
• 804[05:10:48] <echosystm> can anyone help me do this?
• 805[05:10:50] <ksft> btmon says "Status: Page Timeout (0x04)" either way when I try to pair
• 806[05:11:27] <ksft> it isn't a hardware problem
• 807[05:11:43] <ksft> the device is definitely on and working
• 808[05:11:54] <ksft> `hcitool dev` lists hci0
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• 817[05:19:44] <efloid> echosystm: so use the route command and create the routes
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• 823[05:21:32] <echosystm> efloid: it's beyond my knowledge
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• 825[05:21:37] <echosystm> i'm looking for help with that
• 826[05:21:44] <efloid> echosystm: man route
• 827[05:21:53] <echosystm> i need policy routing for this, correct?
• 828[05:22:02] <echosystm> as in, tag packets and do some fancy stuff?
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• 830[05:22:32] <efloid> it doesn't sound like it
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• 833[05:23:15] <echosystm> ok so say ppp0 is 1.0.0.0 and tun0 is 2.0.0.0
• 834[05:23:30] <echosystm> how can i force all local traffic to 2.0.0.0 to go through ppp0?
• 835[05:23:38] <echosystm> that's a policy routing issue right?
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• 837[05:23:50] <efloid> see the man page :-)
• 838[05:24:08] <echosystm> bah
• 839[05:24:23] <efloid> you can do anything with routes
• 840[05:24:44] <tvm> echosystm, setup correct route, yes.
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• 845[05:25:51] <echosystm> do i need to do the whole packet tagging thing?
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• 848[05:26:02] <efloid> anyhow it seems like you want net routes
• 849[05:26:19] <echosystm> also how do i do all this given that the external interfaces both use dhcp?
• 850[05:26:23] <echosystm> can't hardcode the routes
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• 853[05:26:49] <efloid> by dev
• 854[05:27:27] <echosystm> are you telling me to read the man page because you don't know or because you're teaching a man to fish?
• 855[05:27:38] <echosystm> just gimme the fish!
• 856[05:27:40] <echosystm> :D
• 857[05:28:00] <echosystm> i only need to eat for a day. it's fine.
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• 867[05:35:42] <efloid> identify the sources and destinations. look at the man page because it contains good info
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• 869[05:36:40] <efloid> example route add -net 10.10.10.0/24 gw 192.168.0.1
• 870[05:36:54] <efloid> in your case you might want to substitue a dev name for the gw
• 871[05:37:08] <echosystm> okie doke
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• 873[05:37:41] <efloid> just play around with it. you can create and delete them at will. test it to make sure it works
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• 875[05:38:13] <echosystm> wouldn't that example just route everything to 10.10.10.0 through 192.168.0.1?
• 876[05:38:28] <Sabotender> yes!!!! I just performed extensive testing on the playability of my home videos which I have saved on my computer under Debian, and can happily report that there's no more system freezes!
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• 878[05:38:34] <Sabotender> This makes me giddy with joy
• 879[05:38:42] * Sabotender dances with Debian
• 880[05:38:53] <efloid> echosystm: also look at iproute command
• 881[05:39:15] <Sabotender> oh, why is it that people say that Debian houses some really really old software? :-P
• 882[05:39:20] <Sabotender> I am just curious
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• 887[05:40:08] <Sabotender> everytime I tell people that I am using Debian, there's always someone saying something like, 'oh well you can almost always guarantee that the packaged software is going to be old or outdated'
• 888[05:40:23] <piercedwater> same with me too
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• 891[05:41:06] <echosystm> efloid: i've read a whole bunch of stuff. the conclusion i've come to is that i need policy routing. for example...
• 892[05:41:09] <somiaj> Sabotender: there is some truth and histroy to it. Debian stable is a frozen system and as such software doesn't get upgraded. Also some software takes a while to integrate into debian.
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• 894[05:41:54] <somiaj> Sabotender: I just wouldn't worry about others comments, if the software works, no need to upgrade (/msg dpkg sns).
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• 896[05:42:10] <echosystm> ip rule add from <wlan0 subnet> lookup <custom table for ppp0>
• 897[05:42:10] <Sabotender> somiaj: so there is no hope that I will get an updated version of Cinnamon for stable? :-P
• 898[05:42:16] <th0r> yes, but the next release of the software is going to solve ALL our problems!
• 899[05:42:31] <somiaj> Sabotender: that is not how debian works. stable is frozen, you are basicaly tied to the version provided with debian stable.
• 900[05:42:32] <efloid> echosystm: you could also use iptables to do either SNAT or DNAT routing
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• 902[05:42:56] <somiaj> Sabotender: some software is provdied via jessie-backports, but big things like desktops just require to much to backport and I have yet to seem them provided via backports.
• 903[05:43:06] <somiaj> Sabotender: but this is sns, the cinnamon in debian works just fine.
• 904[05:43:33] <echosystm> i think i'm already doing DNAT
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• 906[05:43:44] <Sabotender> somiaj: oh, I am not complaining too much about the old version of Cinnamon, I haven't had any issues with it, and all the plugins or whatever they are called, that I use work with it
• 907[05:43:47] <echosystm> oh man i'm so confused. so you're saying DNAT should handle all of this for me already?
• 908[05:44:02] <echosystm> -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
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• 911[05:44:21] <echosystm> -A FORWARD -i wlan0 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT (and same for reverse)
• 912[05:44:31] <somiaj> Sabotender: but this is basically why you get those comments, debian doesn't really provide an easy way to have the current release of DEs and sometimes other popular software.
• 913[05:44:47] <Sabotender> most people don't even use Cinnamon in Debian, or really, they don't use it at all, they opt for lighter stuff like, I dunno xfe, Cinnamon is pretty unpopular so I reckon it is on the backburner
• 914[05:45:02] <somiaj> Sabotender: but the kernel and stuff for hardware support is supplied via jessie-backports, and so is a lot of other software (just not full DEs)
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• 916[05:45:21] <Sabotender> but I prefer my DEs to be very visually pleasing and not drab and boring, looking like it is stuck in the mid-90s
• 917[05:45:40] <echosystm> man you need to try i3 or sway
• 918[05:45:58] <echosystm> once you start tiling, you'll never go back to normal WMs
• 919[05:45:59] <somiaj> Sabotender: people use all sorts of things in debian, I see them using every DE and most wm's, debian provides choice and the software gets used.
• 920[05:46:32] <somiaj> Sabotender: cinnimon was still fairly new at the release of jessie, I'm sure the version is stretch is more modern.
• 921[05:47:06] <somiaj> Sabotender: stretch is in the process of freezing (this means it is getting more and more stable). You could upgrade and run stretch for a destkop if you dont' mind not having security support.
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• 923[05:47:45] <somiaj> Sabotender: note the full freeze doesn't happen until feb 5th I think, the soft happens jan 5th.
• 924[05:47:59] <somiaj> Sabotender: next summer some time stretch should be releaed (give or take)
• 925[05:48:31] <Sabotender> somiaj: oh well that is extremely close, I am a patient person. But I was a bit miffed to not find the 'privacy' widget (or whatever it is called) in the settings window
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• 930[05:49:15] <Sabotender> you see, I transitioned from Mint (which was buggy as @#$%! on my system) to Debian and was used to the advanced features that Mint + Cinnamon provided
• 931[05:49:17] <somiaj> Sabotender: During the freeze I suggest for people who want a jump start into the new release to use it. Packages don't change much and there are far fewer bugs than normally in testing (though they are still there).
• 932[05:49:48] <somiaj> Sabotender: the main thing you loose is security support (you have to wait some time for the security patches to make it through sid)
• 933[05:49:56] <Sabotender> what are you calling Cinnamon? Stretch?
• 934[05:50:08] <somiaj> but this is because of the freeze, in general testing is not suggested to run by new users
• 935[05:50:13] <somiaj> Sabotender: no stretch is the new debian release.
• 936[05:50:20] <somiaj> well code name for the next, debian 9.x
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• 938[05:50:59] <Sabotender> I am afraid of complete upgrades. The last time I did that, Mint ate up 7GB of space on my system for no reason whatsoever. and for someone who is running Linux on a 30GB SSD that is a big deal
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• 941[05:51:21] <Sabotender> I know Mint != Debian, but still
• 942[05:52:03] <somiaj> Sabotender: debian upgrades work fairly well, sounds like you just needed to apt-get clean to remove all the .debs downloaded during the upgrade
• 943[05:52:25] <Sabotender> I asked about that, and no one told me how to fix it :-P I will have to make a note of that.
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• 945[05:54:36] <Sabotender> so the next stable of Debian is set to be released early January? Or is that just for Cinnamon?
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• 948[05:55:31] <Sabotender> sorry I am gabbling away, it is just exciting to have a build/flavour of Linux to work so well on my system.
• 949[05:55:35] <somiaj> Sabotender: no the freeze happens early next january, the release will be 3-6 months after that.
• 950[05:56:10] <somiaj> with the upgrade will come a new version of cinnamon, I was just saying that from now until the release it will only become more and more stable until it is released.
• 951[05:56:10] <Sabotender> ah, but when the freeze happens, people would be free to update immediately afterwards? Or will they have to wait for the official?
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• 953[05:56:28] <somiaj> you can upgrade now if you wanted. You just have to deal with any bugs in the software.
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• 956[05:57:26] <Sabotender> No way, after dealing with the bugs in Mint 'stable', I've learned my lesson. The only thing I have done (and you may have been around to see it) was upgrade the kernel to 4.8.11 to fix a USB3 issue.
• 957[05:57:33] <Sabotender> a/an
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• 963[06:00:02] <somiaj> Sabotender: that's fine, just letting you know that the freeze will make it so it is close to being stable.
• 964[06:00:39] <somiaj> Sabotender: this is also part of why some say debian is old, the packages are frozen at version (in debian) about 6 months before the release.
• 965[06:01:07] <Sabotender> I wonder why it is done this way.
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• 967[06:02:55] <somiaj> Sabotender: part of what makes debian work so well is this policy. The idea is once things are working together everythign is frozen so package versions don't change. This then means that the release is in a known state and you won't have some issue because of a change in another package.
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• 969[06:03:38] <somiaj> Sabotender: debian then provides both security and bug fixes for this frozen stable system. And supports it for multiple years. This way when delopying software it is easier because you know what versions are avilable and that everythign has been tested and built to work together.
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• 971[06:03:53] <somiaj> Sabotender: so you do loose new features, but you also don't get new bugs.
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• 973[06:04:10] <somiaj> and it takes debian a while to fix all the release-critical bugs as it prepares for the release.
• 974[06:04:43] <Rusty1_> keep in mind that debian has many more server installs , not primarily a desktop distro as is ubuntu/mint
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• 976[06:05:03] <Rusty1_> stability is rather more important
• 977[06:05:22] <Sabotender> huh well I suppose that makes really good sense actually. But come on, a missing Privacy widget? :-p j/k
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• 979[06:06:21] <Sabotender> yeah I opted for Debian opposed to Ubuntu because I was told that there are a lot of HDD-space eating packages included in Ubuntu, some of which I would probably never use. I personally would rather install software as I need them
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• 981[06:07:10] <somiaj> Sabotender: I personally run stable on all my work machines because it works, and is a known state. I then run stretch on my home desktop, because well I to like newer stuff. (:
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• 984[06:08:21] <changeme2> I run debian on my work machine because of the stability. I work in a primarily Windows environment and just run VMS when necessary
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• 988[06:09:53] <Sabotender> yeah I will probably update to stretch when it freezes in Janurary. Well...My laptop is a tri boot. Each operating system has its own dedicated solid state drive (I didn't want to deal with partitioning nightmares, as windows doesn't always play well with grub) Windows 10, OS X (hackintosh), Debian
• 989[06:10:10] <somiaj> Sabotender: jan is the soft freeze, feb is the hard freeze.
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• 991[06:10:18] <Sabotender> lol, see there you go
• 992[06:10:29] <Sabotender> you said nothing about february until just now :-P
• 993[06:10:33] <somiaj> Sabotender: also I find efi better than grub for multiple boot. (:
• 994[06:11:01] <Sabotender> ugh I hate EFI. UEFI is the bane of my existence. I have had more issues booting with EFI than Legacy
• 995[06:11:18] <Rusty1_> Sabotender: virtualization might be worth looking into
• 996[06:11:23] <somiaj> Sabotender: soft freeze means no new packages, hard means no new versions. replaced-url
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• 998[06:11:26] <changeme2> and raid
• 999[06:11:39] <Sabotender> Windows 10 and Debian are set to boot legacy, OS X IS UEFI and doesn't boot very well under Legacy so my laptop BIOS is set to hybrid booting.
• 1000[06:11:46] <somiaj> Sabotender: ahh I have found efi nice, though it might be more due to the firmware I have then efi itself.
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• 1002[06:12:16] <Sabotender> Rusty1_: nope, I don't want to run an OS within an OS.
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• 1004[06:14:01] <Sabotender> Rusty1_: you see, I mostly use Linux for game programming and I need full hardware acceleration in order to get the results I want, HW acceleration in a VM sux. I tried it. I just use SDL2 and I noticed a 10-15 reduction in framerate under a VM
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• 1006[06:14:32] <Sabotender> when I compile under a, whatever its called...natural boot/enviornment? I get full 60fps
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• 1012[06:16:17] <Sabotender> and OS X in a VM? ugh, running OS X on a non mac is precarious at best, and I had to put a lot of work getting the DSDT set up so that everything works as it should. No, Native is best there. And I use windows 10 for low level programming so I need full-access to USB.
• 1013[06:16:33] <Sabotender> anyway, sorry for all the gabbing away :-P
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• 1076[07:01:43] <echosystm> how does the routing table work when youre using NAT?
• 1077[07:01:56] <echosystm> i have DNAT enabled on ppp0 and tun0
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• 1079[07:02:12] <redmatria> "The solution (so they say) is to set the monitor brightness level to 100% thus preventing any possible screen flicker from the DC modulation and instead adjust the brightness and contrast levels in your GPU settings."
• 1080[07:02:12] <echosystm> i want to route wlan0 through ppp0 and eth0 through tun0
• 1081[07:02:16] <redmatria> Anyone know how to adjust my GPU using Debian?
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• 1087[07:03:50] <echosystm> wlan0 traffic routes correctly through ppp0, but any traffic to the tun0 network goes nowhere
• 1088[07:05:03] <echosystm> it gets dropped because there's no forwarding wlan0 -> tun0 in iptables
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• 1095[07:15:52] <redmatria> replaced-url
• 1096[07:16:05] <redmatria> Do you see multiple lines here?
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• 1175[08:08:19] <mrrhq> redmatria: What GPU do you have?
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• 1181[08:10:27] <redmatria> mrrhq, Intel integrated.
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• 1185[08:13:18] <||JD||> redmatria: what is exactly the problem?
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• 1187[08:13:36] <mrrhq> If you want to adjust colors or something, that depends on the monitor you're using.
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• 1191[08:14:08] <redmatria> ||JD||, I want to turn my monitor to 100% brightness and dim it using the software.
• 1192[08:15:15] <mrrhq> It's better if you use the backlight anyway. it saves power, and should help the life of your monitor. But if you insist, I bet there's a way...
• 1193[08:15:32] <mrrhq> I mean dimming the backlight, but anyway...
• 1194[08:16:51] <mrrhq> You ever turned on the monitor at night? That'll hit your eyes hard.
• 1195[08:17:34] <redmatria> Having the brightness of the monitor at 100% prevents the hardware from doing anything to dim it.
• 1196[08:17:47] <redmatria> That can be beneficial for getting rid of any flickering.
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• 1198[08:18:04] <redmatria> Then I should be able to use software to reduce the brightness.
• 1199[08:19:01] <redmatria> I am also looking for a new monitor that is very easy on my eyes.
• 1200[08:19:05] <mrrhq> Oh interesting. Yeah, using IPS still has that disadvantage of having flickering problems, and it's also usually only 60Hz still, for some reason...
• 1201[08:19:16] <redmatria> My current one bugs my eyes. Apparently a low haze or glossy screen can reduce eye strain.
• 1202[08:20:19] <mrrhq> I'll just say, I have an NEC MultiSync monitor. It's only 1080p, but the 4K ones are very pricy. Still, I like them. You can look up what MultiSync is if you're interested.
• 1203[08:20:36] <grawity> depends on how it's dimmed really; regular backlight adjustments don't cause flicker, only intel's pwm-based powersave thing does
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• 1205[08:20:56] <redmatria> grawity, PWM is common though, isn't it?
• 1206[08:21:13] <grawity> afaik it's a feature additional to the regular backlight controls
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• 1209[08:21:36] <grawity> at least on $WORK's Windows laptops I could always disable it through Intel drivers
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• 1213[08:23:27] <redmatria> grawity, You mean debian doesn't use PWM the same way Windows does?
• 1214[08:23:33] <grawity> replaced-url
• 1215[08:24:00] <redmatria> That will control the freq but what if I want it disabled entirely?
• 1216[08:24:02] <mrrhq> My monitor is also a 23.1" IPS, and has great color profiling options, so highly recommended for 1080p at that size. I haven't noticed flicker on it personally, but I haven't tested it.
• 1217[08:25:24] <mrrhq> It's got one stuck pixel but... Ugh, most of the used ones I buy have that. I should see if I can get it fixed.
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• 1224[08:28:37] <grawity> redmatria: you set it to the maximum, I guess
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• 1242[08:41:43] <redmatria> I'm looking for a GLOSSY monitor. Why are these so rare nowadays?
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• 1246[08:42:49] <redmatria> "Ultimately I would absolutely LOVE to re purchase another S2415H Glossy IPS. I love this monitor so much, its so perfect compared to any matte screen I have ever seen this thing is so clear its like starring into the face of god."
• 1247[08:42:58] <redmatria> "But my only 1 concern is the claims that when looking at a screen with reflections you will damage your eyes over time. But I dunno it feels sooo good staring at this screen for 6 hours at a time. No sort of eye strain or anything at all!!!! "
• 1248[08:43:09] <redmatria> What do you think of this? Should he be concerned about damaging his eyes using that screen?
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• 1250[08:44:18] <redmatria> "Now my S2415H works perfect, HOWEVER during the day it has light from the both windows coming in. This does NOT create a problem once i have bright themes or white pages. But people have told me that even though the reflections may not bother me, its because my brain has adjusted to it however my eyes are constantly being damaged. The reflections are NOT strong they are light reflections but its clearly visible on anything besides
• 1251[08:44:18] <redmatria> perfect white pages. I was told that my eyes are constantly being damaged even though I don't feel like it.
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• 1257[08:47:58] <redmatria> I found this thread on glossy screens. replaced-url
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• 1259[08:48:16] <redmatria> I had a glossy NEC screen years back. It was beautiful.
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• 1281[09:01:27] <redmatria> "My unit came with some major dithering, easily visible to the naked eye."
• 1282[09:01:29] <redmatria> What does this mean?
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• 1374[10:00:31] <edictc> Hello, I am running debian stretch and my laptop is locking up.
• 1375[10:00:35] <edictc> I am forced to reboot
• 1376[10:00:51] <edictc> I need some help in debugging this issue
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• 1389[10:02:59] <edictc> My /proc/cmdline has 'systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug'
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• 1391[10:03:44] <edictc> I have also added 'Storage=persistent' to my journald.conf
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• 1394[10:05:07] <edictc> Will those suffice for isolating what happens to the machine during next lock up
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• 1396[10:05:50] <edictc> There was some talk about magic sysreq and I don't know anything about it
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• 1412[10:11:00] <efazati> Hi, I have server without internet... i want install vlan but this package need iproute2... iproute2 conflict with arpd ... how can fix this?
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• 1415[10:11:42] <Jeni870> "Are you using the HDMI input? I had the same problems with the muted, washed out colors so I tried VGA and the difference was amazing. For some reason this monitor does not like HDMI. I'm using this monitor right now with VGA and everything is vibrant and bright, no flickering."
• 1416[10:11:52] <Jeni870> anyone know why this might be?
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• 1418[10:12:26] <xok> hello all...
• 1419[10:12:47] <xok> I am trying to setup an automatic debian installation using preseed file...
• 1420[10:13:03] <xok> I can't get partitioning working...
• 1421[10:13:10] <xok> I want to setup RAID 5 with LVM...
• 1422[10:13:14] <xok> can anyone help me?...
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• 1424[10:14:29] <xok> this is the preseed.cfg file been used: replaced-url
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• 1427[10:15:59] <xok> can anyone help?...
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• 1430[10:17:09] <Vizva> replaced-url
• 1431[10:17:14] <Vizva> i see this here
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• 1433[10:17:22] <bumbar> how can i change mysql password (with mysqladmin) in bash if the password contains ! ? i've tried double quotes, single quotes with escaping, nothing seems to work
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• 1435[10:18:59] <Vizva> the preset is definitely for your disks?
• 1436[10:19:05] <xok> Vizva, yes, I hate RAID 5 in general, but the point is not that...
• 1437[10:19:24] <xok> Vizva, yes, I've already created them in the virtualbox...
• 1438[10:19:42] <xok> three 10GB drives named sda, sdb and sdc...
• 1439[10:20:04] <xok> the problem is that I don't see any valuable errors in /var/log/syslog file..
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• 1441[10:20:40] <Vizva> whats about kvpm and check your things with
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• 1443[10:20:50] <xok> what's kvmp?...
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• 1445[10:20:53] <Vizva> a gui to manage lvm
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• 1447[10:21:02] <AdolfBieber> so I want my CPU to automatically decrease frequency when idle, but it doesn't, I have 1.6GHz Atom netbook and in idle it drops frequency automatically to 1.0GHz, but on PC with Core2Duo 1.8GHz its doesn't drops it its always 1.8GHz, what could be the reason, on both computers cpufreq-info shows: "available cpufreq governors: ondemand, userspace", so they have both "ondemand", any thoughts ? so it
• 1448[10:21:09] <AdolfBieber> has: "available frequency steps: 1.80 GHz, 1.20 GHz" but it doesn't drops to 1.2GHz, its always 1.8GHz
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• 1450[10:21:29] <xok> Vizva, I am trying to install a text based system with this preseed file, I don't have GUI there...
• 1451[10:21:58] <Vizva> you have aversions against x?
• 1452[10:22:24] <xok> well, I am not very used to GUI yes...
• 1453[10:22:42] <Vizva> you could find a good tutorial
• 1454[10:23:35] <xok> Vizva, tutorial of what?...
• 1455[10:23:46] <Vizva> so your virtualbox is running in x or not?
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• 1457[10:24:18] <xok> yes, it's in the X but the installation goes in the text mode...
• 1458[10:24:23] <Vizva> your guest is text
• 1459[10:24:28] <xok> yes..
• 1460[10:25:21] <Vizva> lvm preset debian write this in your favorite search crawler and read everything about
• 1461[10:25:27] <Vizva> thats my suggestion
• 1462[10:25:54] <xok> thank you, but I already tried searching the web...
• 1463[10:26:10] <Vizva> its not easy to understand all the time ,yes
• 1464[10:26:24] <Vizva> its how i manage my things
• 1465[10:26:34] <Vizva> if i have problems
• 1466[10:26:52] <Vizva> yes if nobody answer there is no one into at moment
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• 1469[10:27:47] <Jeni870> "Are you using the HDMI input? I had the same problems with the muted, washed out colors so I tried VGA and the difference was amazing. For some reason this monitor does not like HDMI. I'm using this monitor right now with VGA and everything is vibrant and bright, no flickering."
• 1470[10:27:50] <Jeni870> Any ideas why this might be?
• 1471[10:28:09] <AdolfBieber> Jeni870: are you asking in both #debian and #gentoo ?
• 1472[10:28:20] <Vizva> i use hdmi no problems
• 1473[10:28:22] <xok> this is the error I am getting: replaced-url
• 1474[10:28:54] <xok> and these are the logs from /var/log/syslog file: replaced-url
• 1475[10:29:10] <Jeni870> vivid, but read the quote.
• 1476[10:29:17] <Jeni870> this is for a particular monitor i am looking at on amazon.
• 1477[10:29:22] <Jeni870> why might the vga work better than the hdmi?
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• 1479[10:29:36] <Vizva> you never tried out that monitor?
• 1480[10:29:49] <Jeni870> no
• 1481[10:29:59] <Jeni870> "Are you using the HDMI input? I had the same problems with the muted, washed out colors so I tried VGA and the difference was amazing. For some reason this monitor does not like HDMI. I'm using this monitor right now with VGA and everything is vibrant and bright, no flickering."
• 1482[10:30:01] <Jeni870> see the quote i mean?
• 1483[10:30:14] <Jeni870> just wanted some insight on it.
• 1484[10:30:58] <Vizva> this is a quote
• 1485[10:31:09] <Vizva> hdmi is a standard
• 1486[10:31:15] <efazati> Hi, I have server without internet... i want install vlan but this package need iproute2... iproute2 conflict with arpd ... how can fix this?
• 1487[10:31:16] <Vizva> so it may work
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• 1489[10:31:53] <bazhang> efazati, debian or ubuntu
• 1490[10:31:59] <Vizva> i cannot say here is do work and here not beacuse someone dont get it to run
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• 1492[10:32:25] <efazati> @bazhang ubuntu ... i have iproute but vlan need iproute2
• 1493[10:32:28] <Vizva> you must try the hdmi there are no predictions
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• 1497[10:33:04] <bazhang> efazati, get them offline, please keep ubuntu questions to the ubuntu channel in future
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• 1500[10:33:22] <efazati> @bazhang? offline? how?
• 1501[10:33:51] <bazhang> efazati, lets continue this in #ubuntu please
• 1502[10:34:05] <Vizva> yes come to debian :)
• 1503[10:35:08] <ArKaNeL> sorry to ask here, this is the chan by defaut, how do i see the list of availaible chan ?
• 1504[10:35:18] <AdolfBieber> ArKaNeL: /list
• 1505[10:35:24] <efazati> @bazhang Thanks
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• 1511[10:36:49] <ArKaNeL> thanks you, even a search option, all i needed
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• 1516[10:37:40] <babilen> ArKaNeL: /msg alis help
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• 1520[10:42:47] <Vizva> xok how do you adress your disks ?
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• 1526[10:45:08] <Vizva> you could run every command by hand
• 1527[10:45:15] <Vizva> and check with the web
• 1528[10:45:21] <Vizva> then you know hwat you got
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• 1552[11:02:42] <madrik> Greetings
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• 1560[11:07:47] <madrik> I've been using Linux systems for a few years now, but I've never sat down and studied them.
• 1561[11:08:05] <madrik> It's probably a testament to how good they are that I have not _needed_ to.
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• 1564[11:08:45] <madrik> A friend of mine's planning to move and asked me if I want some of his old books.
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• 1567[11:09:18] <madrik> I don't have all that great an idea about them myself.
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• 1570[11:09:57] <madrik> Could someone look over these titles and tell me if they're any good or worth asking for?
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• 1572[11:10:32] <madrik> I saw /The Design of the Unix Programming System/ by Maurice Bach
• 1573[11:11:10] <madrik> I'm sorry, that is /Operating/ instead of /Programming/
• 1574[11:11:38] <madrik> and /The Unix Programming Environment/ by Kernighan and Pike
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• 1576[11:12:28] <madrik> some books on programming including /The C Programming Language/ by Kernighan and Ritchie,
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• 1581[11:12:54] <madrik> , /C: A Reference Manual/ by Harbison and Steele
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• 1583[11:13:09] <madrik> , /Pointers on C/ by Reek
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• 1587[11:13:31] <madrik> , /Lisp/, 3rd ed. by Winston and Horn
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• 1589[11:14:37] <madrik> , /How to Design Programs/ by Felleisen, Flatt, Findler, and Krishnamurthi
• 1590[11:15:19] <madrik> There's also /Internetworking with TCP/IP/, Vol. I by Comer
• 1591[11:15:54] <madrik> and /Computer Organization and Design/ and /Computer Architecture/ by Patterson and Hennessey
• 1592[11:16:13] <madrik> Any of these books worth keeping?
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• 1598[11:18:16] <madrik> Oh, almost forgot. There are also _very_ thick books titled: /Thinking in Java/ by Eckel, and /Introduction to Algorithms/ by Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest, and Stein.
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• 1600[11:19:16] <madrik> I've only been a user of Linux for a while, so I'm not sure if I got just pick any one of these and start learning.
• 1601[11:19:28] <madrik> Some of them seem hard.
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• 1605[11:20:56] <bazhang> madrik, debian has an offtopic channel you realize
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• 1607[11:21:07] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic
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• 1609[11:21:27] <madrik> bazhang: Oh dear. I'm sorry.
• 1610[11:21:41] <madrik> I didn't know that.
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• 1614[11:23:34] <madrik> Do excuse me, I'll take my queries there, or if you could suggest a better channel, I would appreciate that very much.
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• 1659[11:52:38] <exa_ways> Is it possible to add "table view" to the file manager that ships with debian/gnome?
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• 1663[11:57:01] <Della> hi
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• 1665[11:58:18] <Della> im running a virtual box machine which im trying to scan with nmap, but i get the same output with all of the machines, any idea
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• 1675[12:03:00] <Vizva> that nmap
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• 1687[12:05:26] <Vizva> replaced-url
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• 1689[12:05:27] <Guest92653> hello everybody I ve a question Outside domain " Raid Controller Array P4210i is it compatible win HP DL360 Gen6
• 1690[12:05:32] <Guest92653> thank u
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• 1719[12:24:08] <codfection> can I use kali or some other repo to make my distro ready for pentesting?
• 1720[12:24:12] <codfection> on debian
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• 1723[12:25:08] <newcoder> mount -vt sysfs sysfs /mnt/sda1/sys ; mount --rbind /sys /mnt/sda1/sys ; what's the difference? What is sysfs?
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• 1726[12:27:18] <introom> glad to see gnu global 6.5 lands in debian!
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• 1729[12:28:12] <newcoder> introom: What is gnu global 6.5?
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• 1732[12:28:55] <introom> newcoder: a tag software, like ctags, etags, etc.
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• 1734[12:29:42] <jackass> hi
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• 1797[13:11:27] <stoned> Looking for a GUI latex editor with maybe grammar checking feature
• 1798[13:11:39] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 1800[13:12:02] <stoned> I made it from markdown/css/html to pandoc to html/pdf/epub/tex etc.
• 1801[13:12:26] <stoned> I wanted to do fine grain gui changes in an editor with tex for final typesetting
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• 1828[13:30:27] <NoxiousPluK> Q: is there a way to make Debian go trough some configuration again on next boot (like hostname) for the use of templating?
• 1829[13:30:52] <waflessnet> o/
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• 1833[13:31:41] <waflessnet> how to "update-ca-trust enabled" or what packege have download ? thanks
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• 1849[13:39:43] <danslo> stoned: 1100 DMT trips? holy shit
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• 1856[13:42:14] <Guest92653> comag yeah
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• 1863[13:47:08] <echosystm> hi guys
• 1864[13:47:34] <echosystm> i'm trying to add a routing rule, based on an interface that uses dhcp
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• 1866[13:47:57] <echosystm> any ideas how i might do that? :/
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• 1868[13:48:29] <echosystm> ip route add default via <X> dev tun0 table vpn
• 1869[13:48:42] <echosystm> i need X to be resolved automatically
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• 1873[13:49:08] <stoned> Eh, I typed my website address to someone in channel and sygin bot banned me
• 1874[13:49:10] <stoned> Stupid bot! o/
• 1875[13:49:13] * stoned shakes a fist
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• 1877[13:49:25] <NoxiousPluK> lol
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• 1879[13:49:59] <stoned> NoxiousPluK: for what templating purpose?
• 1880[13:50:21] <stoned> NoxiousPluK: maybe an rc script that asks for and sets the hostname? I have no diea.
• 1881[13:50:34] <stoned> And by rc now I mean probably systemd service
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• 1883[13:50:58] <NoxiousPluK> stoned: deploying on ESXi.. looks like I can push hostname/configuration trough the vmware client tho :)
• 1884[13:51:12] <stoned> I wonder if there a dpkg reconfigure for some package that might give you the config options again. BTW, what config options do you need to redo anyway
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• 1887[13:51:39] <NoxiousPluK> really only hostname and ip/subnet/gateway - but it looks like there is a way to make vmware do that for me :)
• 1888[13:51:43] <NoxiousPluK> need to read into it a bit
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• 1890[13:52:19] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1891[13:52:21] <stoned> Yeah, vmware will assign NAT stuff and ips and all that networking bit. The only time vmware lets you manage your own networking is if you use Bridged Ethernet
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• 1893[13:52:41] <stoned> If you use VMWARE Nat, you don't have to worry about the machine getting hostnames/ips etc. AFAIK
• 1894[13:52:47] <stoned> I haven't used vmware in a few years.
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• 1897[13:53:37] <NoxiousPluK> oh no its on our ESXi cluster, so no NAT - but I can select a vlan to deploy it in and supply custom configuration options - then a script on the VM itself can pick those custom configs up from the vmware client service and change the required settings
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• 1899[13:54:11] <stoned> Bit too complicated for me to follow. But sounds like you have a handle on things.
• 1900[13:54:21] <NoxiousPluK> I think I figured it out - thanks tho! :)
• 1901[13:54:27] <stoned> Merry Xmas
• 1902[13:54:36] <NoxiousPluK> same to you ^_^
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• 1917[13:57:33] <echosystm> any of you guys able to help me plz?
• 1918[13:58:09] <stoned> I suck at networking, sorry.
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• 1920[13:58:17] <stoned> echosystm: oh, idea.
• 1921[13:58:21] <stoned> echosystm: ##networking
• 1922[13:58:25] <stoned> someone might be alive in there.
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• 1932[14:03:06] <Rico> hello, Can anybody here tell me how link is done between a process and iproute/rt_dsfield table ?
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• 1946[14:09:12] <echosystm> thanks stoned
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• 1951[14:12:31] <claint> anyone use cuda-toolkit on debian here?
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• 1958[14:14:44] <norsu> Some of you perhaps no the Raspbian Pi project with its Raspbian distro. I've been using Ubuntu almost ten years now but I have stuck to that and don't really know what are the real differences?
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• 1960[14:16:17] <norsu> I mean e.g. desktop of course, package handling and my Ubuntu is x86 compilation whereas Raspbian is a version of ARM, but if I know choose Ubuntu compiled with the correct chipset in mind, can I install it right away?
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• 1964[14:18:55] <petn-randall> norsu: You'll probably have to ask the people at #ubuntu for that.
• 1965[14:18:59] <norsu> Aaand I know it is possible and there are tutorials for that but the basic question remains: is there something crucial that would prevent me using some features on Raspberry using Ubuntu (or Debian as we are on a Debian channel know)? Maybe camera drivers written for Raspberry?
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• 1967[14:19:34] <norsu> Thanks petn-randall, it shouldn't matter as I wrote there after you asked.
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• 1970[14:20:47] <norsu> So is it a mostly a driver and library thing or why do people make new distros anyway? I know size matters and that's something I totally get it: get rid of all unnecessary stuff
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• 1972[14:20:52] <petn-randall> !tell norsu about crosspost
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• 1974[14:21:59] <petn-randall> norsu: To my knowledge Debian doesn't run on Raspberry Pis, because the ARM chip doesn't support some instruction needed for running Debian arm.
• 1975[14:22:23] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1976[14:22:36] <norsu> petn-randall, is this what you meant: replaced-url
• 1977[14:22:52] <norsu> Sorry about not yet knowing how to behave :-/
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• 1980[14:23:24] <norsu> petn-randall, ok that was new for me, thanks
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• 1983[14:23:57] <NoxiousPluK> debian != raspbian but is a lot alike
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• 1985[14:24:17] <SynrGy> petn-randall, norsu: as per the wiki article NoxiousPluK linked, it's not fair to say it doesn't work. it just doesn't work optimally.
• 1986[14:24:39] <NoxiousPluK> its a "little bit special"
• 1987[14:25:03] <norsu> NoxiousPluK, thanks for this
• 1988[14:25:06] <SynrGy> though (again, from the wiki article) an rpi2 or rpi3 should work
• 1989[14:25:17] <NoxiousPluK> np :)
• 1990[14:25:41] <NoxiousPluK> norsu: I suggest replaced-url
• 1991[14:26:08] <SynrGy> right. and in that case, ask #raspbian further questions.
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• 1994[14:27:52] <norsu> I'm an electronics engineer trying to learn some (more serious) programming. I started with replaced-url
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• 1997[14:28:02] <norsu> This is the device: replaced-url
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• 2000[14:29:28] <norsu> Cortex-M3 100MHz and really nice size-format to be fitted to some other design and - unlike Arduino - you can use their web-based compiler and all free libraries to make a complete product. I know, these have been done at my company.
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• 2006[14:30:52] <NoxiousPluK> fancy stuffs norsu
• 2007[14:30:58] <NoxiousPluK> but arent they expensive?
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• 2009[14:31:41] <norsu> NoxiousPluK, SynrGy yes I will read those but the problem is I have read those kind of articles but newer really understood where the real differences lye. It is always better to get soem person who already to know these things to point you to right direction and the read and read 8-)
• 2010[14:31:59] <NoxiousPluK> hmm I seem them for ~$75 on aliexpress :)
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• 2012[14:32:04] <NoxiousPluK> interesting device, thanks norsu
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• 2016[14:33:23] <norsu> That LPC1768 is actually surprisingly aggressively priced, but there are a lot cheaper alternatives and the great thing is the web compiler! I can have projects with my friends, they can work with windows, Linux, DOS (or maybe not that)...
• 2017[14:33:47] <menace> is there a tool, where i can mark debian packages as interesting for me on my machine/repository, so when they are discontinued from maintenance i am informed? i would like to help with packages sometimes, but with packages i am interested in, because i use them myself... :)
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• 2020[14:34:01] <menace> like something apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges. that would be great.
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• 2024[14:34:55] <NoxiousPluK> norsu: freedos ;-) replaced-url
• 2025[14:35:15] <NoxiousPluK> but I suppose we're pretty off-topic here... :)
• 2026[14:35:20] <norsu> You know, I am in a happy position being in an engineering company. There is a shelf full of those and I can just grab my own :D Yesterday I thought my RPi died so I first bought two new mem cards but couldn't get it working yet, so when I finally go to work today, I think I will "borrow" one more RPi3 :)
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• 2029[14:35:47] <NoxiousPluK> norsu: maybe continue the chat in ##embedded ;-)
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• 2031[14:35:56] <NoxiousPluK> but nice :)
• 2032[14:36:08] <NoxiousPluK> I'd love to have a job like that, but I just have a new one ^_^
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• 2038[14:37:26] <norsu> NoxiousPluK, I have here e.g. FreeScales FRDM-K64F which has a lot of interfaces (could be a bit pricey) and a stripped-down FRDM-KL25Z
• 2039[14:37:49] <NoxiousPluK> nice :)
• 2040[14:37:58] <NoxiousPluK> my experience is mainly with Arduino's, and all hobby
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• 2042[14:40:15] <NoxiousPluK> thats not too bad
• 2043[14:41:27] <norsu> But ok this comparison I can make myself: Arduino is an easy to use platform with many kinds of add-ons (just like MBED actually) but MBED being more pro-like in my mind. It is the MBED's web based compiler and the ability to download (as far as I knwo you can do that) all the available libraries, their RTOS and use them in an industrial project.
• 2044[14:42:04] <norsu> NoxiousPluK, I am not home anywhere :D:D
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• 2047[14:42:33] <norsu> But yeah you are right, I just don't know what to ask cause the answer leads me to another channel.
• 2048[14:42:53] <NoxiousPluK> norsu: well thats nice :) aruino is microcontroller, ARM based stuff is ofc a full CPU/SoC :) thats the biggest difference
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• 2050[14:43:53] <norsu> But last thing before moving to embedded: MBED libraries have been used in many industrial projects so if you start your own hobby project maybe thinking one day selling it, then do it with MBED. And this is not a commercial - I get money nowhere (almost nowhere knowing my emloyer).
• 2051[14:44:13] <NoxiousPluK> nice :-)
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• 2054[14:46:01] <norsu> Microcontroller is essentially a CPU core + peripherals and can often be called a SoC as well so that's not the difference between Arduino and MBED - they both use microcontrollers (MCUs)
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• 2057[14:47:31] <NoxiousPluK> well its a whole other world in comparison of their power
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• 2060[14:48:02] <NoxiousPluK> at least the basic arduino is 8-bit AVR
• 2061[14:48:29] <NoxiousPluK> nothing like the 32 or 64 bit ARM processors that can run a full blown OS on things like the mbed, raspberry pi, etc
• 2062[14:48:36] <claint> quit
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• 2066[14:49:29] <norsu> ...ok sorry one more hopefully interesting thing to some and then I'll go to embedded: E.g. this LPC1768 has a little chip that is known just as some magical "interface chip". Well it is the chip that takes care of the ease of programming the LPC1768: you just drag'n drop (or mv in Linux) the web-based compiler-exported binary to it and bang it works. But you can do this magic with "normal" programming hardware too - - no magi
• 2067[14:49:29] <norsu> c involved in this magic
• 2068[14:50:52] <NoxiousPluK> once an AVR chip has the Arduino bootloader you can deploy just as easy tho :)
• 2069[14:50:57] <Rico> anybody know how the link is done between rt_dsfield (iproute2) and an application ?
• 2070[14:51:00] <norsu> Now please continue with Debian!
• 2071[14:51:03] <Rico> process
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• 2093[14:56:36] <inch> I asked this before and now I ask again: When I run startx (or xinit) as a normal user in Debian Jessie, how does Xorg gets run as root? xinit runs as normal user, Xorg is not suid.
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• 2097[14:58:24] <fkmybrain> hi
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• 2099[14:58:42] <fkmybrain> hey people i need help
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• 2103[14:59:20] <NoxiousPluK> fkmybrain: don't ask to ask just ask :) you never know if someone knows the answer
• 2104[14:59:36] <fkmybrain> oh
• 2105[14:59:52] <fkmybrain> its working the sms spoofing?
• 2106[14:59:57] <fkmybrain> right now i mean
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• 2109[15:00:32] <NoxiousPluK> sms spoofing?
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• 2111[15:00:48] <stoned> Someone once sent me a text message from my own number.
• 2112[15:00:59] <fkmybrain> lol
• 2113[15:01:01] <Rico> NoxiousPluK: what to do with Debian ?
• 2114[15:01:05] <dvs> you!
• 2115[15:01:08] <stoned> Yeah. Imagine my stoned surprise.
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• 2117[15:01:24] <stoned> fkmybrain: anything you want.
• 2118[15:01:32] <stoned> fkmybrain: I use stable for desktop
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• 2120[15:01:38] <stoned> Everything I do is on stable debian
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• 2122[15:01:46] <NoxiousPluK> Rico: install it?
• 2123[15:02:22] <Rico> NoxiousPluK: sotty, was talking to fkmybrain , want to ask hiw what hi SMS stuff has to do with debian
• 2124[15:02:26] <Rico> s/sotty/sorry
• 2125[15:02:34] <NoxiousPluK> ah
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• 2127[15:02:39] <NoxiousPluK> yea nothing to do with debian I suppose
• 2128[15:02:44] <NoxiousPluK> I guess he watched Mr.Robot :)
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• 2130[15:02:55] <fkmybrain> ah okay sorry
• 2131[15:03:02] <fkmybrain> mr robot is so boring like serie
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• 2133[15:03:12] <Rico> i'm still looking for help about iproute2_rt_dsfield
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• 2135[15:04:49] <spaceman> hello ppl
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• 2137[15:05:17] <NoxiousPluK> Rico: sorry, no idea about that :) maybe in ##networking or #networking.. I always get confused with channel names on freenode
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• 2177[15:25:23] <likcoras_> Hello, /query dpkg
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• 2188[15:28:11] <stoned> dvs: me?
• 2189[15:28:29] <likcoras_> Hello, I wanted to know how to make Debian store system logs for more than one boot, so I can look at them with journalctl. 'journalctl --list-boots' only shows the current boot.
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• 2192[15:29:06] <likcoras_> I thought I had to edit something in journald.conf, but I wasn't sure exactly what I had to edit.
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• 2194[15:29:12] <somiaj> likcoras_: look up presistant journactl
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• 2204[15:30:11] <somiaj> likcoras_: looks like you just need to uncomment the Storage=auto lines and maybe the compress, etc afterwards
• 2205[15:30:12] <NoxiousPluK> likcoras_: /etc/systemd/journald.conf -> Storage=persistent under [Journal]
• 2206[15:30:13] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2208[15:30:25] <stoned> Storage=persistent
• 2209[15:30:27] <stoned> There you go
• 2210[15:30:32] <NoxiousPluK> hah
• 2211[15:30:39] <stoned> Word.
• 2212[15:30:41] <NoxiousPluK> ^5 somiaj and stoned
• 2213[15:30:45] <stoned> Back to hunting for a tex editor gui
• 2214[15:30:47] <stoned> :D
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• 2216[15:31:20] <Tinmann> hi folks.
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• 2218[15:31:37] <Tinmann> I bought a mini-DP to HDMI cable that has a strong smell.
• 2219[15:31:38] <NoxiousPluK> stoned: TeXStudio, LyX or OverLeaf maybe?
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• 2221[15:31:44] <NoxiousPluK> Tinmann: lol
• 2222[15:31:48] <Tinmann> What could be the smell?
• 2223[15:31:49] <hicksd> stoned: I gave up and stuck with vim for the little direct tex I do, and use lyx foreverything else that I can :)
• 2224[15:31:56] <stoned> NoxiousPluK: something that can render the document as it goes, live
• 2225[15:31:59] <Tinmann> NoxiousPluK, why is it funny?
• 2226[15:32:02] <stoned> wysiwyg
• 2227[15:32:02] <NoxiousPluK> Tinmann: out of the box smell?
• 2228[15:32:12] <likcoras_> stoned: thanks! I had read that manpage, but I thought it should be using "persistent" because /run/log/journal existed and the setting was on "auto". Again, thanks!
• 2229[15:32:26] <Tinmann> yes, when I take the cable from the box it has a strong smell.
• 2230[15:32:29] <stoned> The stoned says welcome buddy
• 2231[15:32:39] <NoxiousPluK> stoned: OverLeaf I'd say, shows source/wysiwyg side-by-side
• 2232[15:32:45] <stoned> Ok
• 2233[15:32:49] <stoned> Isn't that a website? nonfree?
• 2234[15:32:59] <NoxiousPluK> Tinmann: maybe leftover from the fabrication process
• 2235[15:33:19] <Tinmann> here is what I bought: replaced-url
• 2236[15:33:22] <NoxiousPluK> stoned: afaik they have a desktop client that can work without using the online backend but not 100% sure
• 2237[15:33:27] <NoxiousPluK> I rarely use/edit tex
• 2238[15:33:41] <Tinmann> 200 reviews and not one mentions any smell.
• 2239[15:33:54] <stoned> I see
• 2240[15:34:00] <transhuman> hi! I have put both PermitRootLogin and PermitRootLogin without-password in sshd_config (temporarily) to transfer a bunch of data. But it still wont let root login but other users can...anyone know why?
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• 2243[15:34:15] <Tinmann> 800 reviews on Amazon.com and no smell mentioned there either.
• 2244[15:34:20] <NoxiousPluK> Tinmann: maybe contact their support and see if its normal as a fabrication process leftover :)
• 2245[15:34:30] <Tinmann> I wonder if the highly deordized smell of mine is rare.
• 2246[15:34:42] <stoned> Well, I am using markdown/js/html/css to build my book, then use pandoc to generate a .tex file which I can clean up and fine tune for final publishing into PDF and other things
• 2247[15:35:12] <NoxiousPluK> transhuman: that sounds like a bad idea anyways... but check out the answer on replaced-url
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• 2249[15:35:30] <NoxiousPluK> Tinmann: but how can we know ;-)
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• 2251[15:35:39] <NoxiousPluK> anyways I'm off to home :) workday is over ^_^
• 2252[15:35:42] <NoxiousPluK> cya all later friends <3
• 2253[15:35:44] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2254[15:35:45] <hicksd> stoned: Give lyx a whirl. It saves writing a lot of tex but has options to let you insert any that you need.
• 2255[15:35:47] <stoned> Good day
• 2256[15:35:49] <Tinmann> NoxiousPluK, what should i do with a cable that has a heavy deorodized smell?
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• 2258[15:35:54] <stoned> okay
• 2259[15:35:57] <Tinmann> very unique smell and very potent.
• 2260[15:35:57] <stoned> ,lyx
• 2261[15:36:00] <NoxiousPluK> Tinmann: either contact their support or risk it and test it :)
• 2262[15:36:00] <stoned> ,v lyx
• 2263[15:36:02] <judd> Package: lyx on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-3; jessie: 2.1.2-2; sid: 2.2.2-1; stretch: 2.2.2-1
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• 2266[15:36:10] <transhuman> the problem is the data is set as replaced-url
• 2267[15:36:10] <Tinmann> test it?
• 2268[15:36:14] <Tinmann> the cable works fine. i tried it.
• 2269[15:36:17] <Tinmann> but i don't like the smell.
• 2270[15:36:21] <Tinmann> it even gets on my hands when i handle it.
• 2271[15:36:26] <Tinmann> i don't know if it's toxic or what.
• 2272[15:36:32] <transhuman> what is the proper way of doing this?
• 2273[15:36:43] <NoxiousPluK> batch issue with the rubberization I suppose... good luck Tinmann ;)
• 2274[15:36:51] <transhuman> add user to replaced-url
• 2275[15:36:52] <hicksd> replaced-url
• 2276[15:36:54] <stoned> transhuman: manage permissions for what exactly
• 2277[15:36:56] <stoned> no no no
• 2278[15:36:56] <NoxiousPluK> transhuman: add a user to the replaced-url
• 2279[15:36:57] <abrotman> transhuman: the directories could be group-writable by the correct UID?
• 2280[15:36:58] <stoned> here do this
• 2281[15:37:06] <transhuman> ok thanks thats what I will do
• 2282[15:37:14] <NoxiousPluK> toodles o7
• 2283[15:37:22] <Tinmann> NoxiousPluK, you think it's rare?
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• 2285[15:37:26] <Tinmann> if i order another it won't smell?
• 2286[15:37:35] <Tinmann> you're probably right.
• 2287[15:37:38] <Tinmann> should i toss this cable?
• 2288[15:37:40] <Tinmann> is it toxic?
• 2289[15:37:45] <stoned> create a group called web, add replaced-url
• 2290[15:37:59] <stoned> then anyone in the web group can have whatever perms you want
• 2291[15:38:10] <stoned> This is how I've managed my servers for over a decade
• 2292[15:38:35] <somiaj> or just use the replaced-url
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• 2294[15:38:50] <somiaj> stoned: I see that used too, but no need to create a new group for that.
• 2295[15:39:04] <stoned> Please elaborate
• 2296[15:39:16] <transhuman> for sure you are right thats the proper way didnt think ofit
• 2297[15:39:41] <somiaj> stoned: replaced-url
• 2298[15:40:01] <stoned> I don't like adding my user accounts to this group though.
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• 2301[15:40:16] <stoned> Unless that's exactly what it's for...
• 2302[15:40:22] <stoned> somewhere I might have misunderstood something.
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• 2305[15:41:05] <somiaj> stoned: The default of that group is the group the webserver runs as so the webserver can already read access anything of the from someuser:replaced-url
• 2306[15:41:18] <stoned> Alright, I guess.
• 2307[15:41:20] <somiaj> so it makes sense to just use that group if you want to have a group of users control the replaced-url
• 2308[15:41:26] <stoned> Yes.
• 2309[15:41:32] <somiaj> no need to create a new group for this (though one of course can).
• 2310[15:41:33] <transhuman> thanks guys thats the proper way for sure...I just didn't think about it right that was the whole reason for assigning that group in the first place
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• 2424[16:32:08] <cargo_pantz> anyone use rtorrent? I can get it started but with three test torrents nothing downloaded...
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• 2434[16:33:37] <live> hello, is Debian testing suitable for a linux beginner? I mean, for someone switching over to Debian from Windows.
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• 2436[16:33:56] <somiaj> live: I would really suggest stable to start with, because things are known to work in stable.
• 2437[16:34:25] <somiaj> live: stable should be just fine, biggest issue may be non-free firmware for wifi cards and a newer kernel if you have very new hardware (last year or two)
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• 2439[16:34:41] <somiaj> like built with new chips from that area, not purchaes
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• 2459[16:38:55] <live> is Debian testing not usable enough?
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• 2461[16:39:48] <hicksd> testing is only worth using if you have a need that's not met by stable. Since occasionally things can go wrong. Although usually fixable it's likely worth getting used to debian in stable first.
• 2462[16:39:52] <dvs> live, testing has a much higher probability of breaking
• 2463[16:40:02] <hicksd> You can always move from stable to testing later if you need to too
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• 2466[16:40:36] <somiaj> live: depends on your definition of usable. When learning the tools it is much harder when there are bugs, dependency issues, and stuff (common to testing)
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• 2469[16:41:01] <somiaj> live: so testing is usable, but one should have some understanding of debian so when issues arise you know how to work with them.
• 2470[16:41:02] <xok> guys, was anyone able to setup RAID + LVM with preseed file?...
• 2471[16:41:09] <live> because, I used a debian testing based distro. I had some problem in opening some pdf files in debian stable, but I could do that in testing based distro.
• 2472[16:41:15] <xok> I am struggling to get it working but nothing helps...
• 2473[16:41:31] <xok> I've red tons of manuals, examples but with no luck...
• 2474[16:41:54] <somiaj> live: debian stable has multiple pdf readers, it just may be the one you were use to wasn't installed at default.
• 2475[16:42:00] <xok> replaced-url
• 2476[16:42:05] <xok> this is the error I am getting...
• 2477[16:42:25] <live> I tried all the pdf readers available.
• 2478[16:43:06] <xok> these are relevant lines from /var/log/syslog: replaced-url
• 2479[16:43:13] <live> I used Sparky Linux, where I could open these pdf files which in other distros keep asking for password.
• 2480[16:43:39] <somiaj> live: testing is in the process of freezing, and once it freezes it becomes more and more stable until it is eventaully released. In this light you can use it, I just don't suggest it to people who are new to debian.
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• 2482[16:44:03] <Tarap> hi
• 2483[16:44:04] <somiaj> figure out what software and version you were using and compare that to debian. If you can't find it in jessie-backports you may be able to create yuor own backport
• 2484[16:44:34] <live> somiaj, I didn't get you. What is backport?
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• 2486[16:45:05] <live> I used the most recent and updated software in stable versions.
• 2487[16:45:19] <somiaj> live: debian provides newer software for select packages via jessie-backports
• 2488[16:45:20] <Tarap> Well I just did a dist-upghrade from jessie to stretch yesterday, I can tell there's some ... some little issues
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• 2490[16:45:30] <Tarap> no more seq24 ?
• 2491[16:45:48] <Tarap> things compile no more, whre
• 2492[16:46:00] <somiaj> a backport is newer software that compiled against the libaries that are in jessie so you can install it in jessie. Note backport packages don't have the security support or testing that stable has, but they are there if needed
• 2493[16:46:01] <jhutchins_wk> Testing shouldn't be used because you think you need newer software. Testing should be used to help test the next release, to find and report problems.
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• 2495[16:46:12] <somiaj> Tarap: what is seq24?
• 2496[16:46:27] <somiaj> Tarap: to me you are not being very clear what your actual problem is.
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• 2498[16:46:30] <jhutchins_wk> ,v chromium
• 2499[16:46:32] <live> somiaj, what is your opinion about SparkyLinux?
• 2500[16:46:33] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-3
• 2501[16:46:38] <Tarap> some things compile no more, some ask for a g++ compiler. No worries, it's what we love, it's free software
• 2502[16:46:58] <somiaj> live: My opion of a distro is it is your choice which one you use. But only Debian is supported here.
• 2503[16:47:05] <jhutchins_wk> Notice that testing still has chromium v.53, which is known to have security bugs.
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• 2505[16:47:20] <somiaj> live: each distro has its own policy, configuration, available software, etc. Pick one that meets your use case.
• 2506[16:47:52] <live> can I install E or Lxqt DE on Debian?
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• 2509[16:48:42] <live> jhutchins_wk, was that above line for me?
• 2510[16:49:00] <live> you said something about testing and chrome.
• 2511[16:49:15] <jhutchins_wk> live: Anybody who cares. Just an illustration that testing doesn't get the security updates as quickly.
• 2512[16:49:18] <somiaj> live: it was pointing out that testing is not ready to be used as an os and expect security.
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• 2516[16:50:02] <live> ok. To be on the safer side, you both suggest stable version, then?
• 2517[16:50:27] <jhutchins_wk> live: Yes.
• 2518[16:50:42] <live> ok. I'll go with Debian stable only.
• 2519[16:51:07] <jhutchins_wk> live: If you're interested in testing the next release and contributing bug reports, I would suggest it as a dual-boot installation, so you can fall back to stable if you need to use the computer or get on the internet.
• 2520[16:51:08] <live> and btw, what's is Ubuntu based on? testing or stable?
• 2521[16:51:40] <live> or Mint?
• 2522[16:51:44] <jhutchins_wk> live: Ubuntu used to be based on testing, with patches and updates, now it's mostly pulled from upstream (there is some dispute about this).
• 2523[16:52:01] <jhutchins_wk> live: Ubuntu is it's own distribution these days.
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• 2525[16:52:07] <somiaj> live: neither anymore. ubuntu is its own core packages, with packages outside of the core comming from testing/unstable
• 2526[16:52:32] <jhutchins_wk> live: Mint has versions derived from Ubuntu and from Debian, with modifications.
• 2527[16:52:33] <somiaj> live: to get better info about ubuntu and mint you should see their support/docs.
• 2528[16:52:36] <live> ok. Which is more safer? Debian or Ubuntu?
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• 2530[16:53:12] <live> I am too new to Linux to get into technicalities.
• 2531[16:53:27] <jhutchins_wk> live: Rather obviously we would say Debian.
• 2532[16:53:36] <Mad_Hat> Hi guys. I'm relatively new to linux unix, but I'm getting to the point to where I want a ssh session manager instead of just a bunch of puTTY windows. Any recommendations?
• 2533[16:54:00] <live> I am just an end user. Not a technician or someone who is interested in testing.
• 2534[16:54:05] <jhutchins_wk> live: My average bug response in RedHat is two years. I reported the security bugs in chromium and the package was updated within two days.
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• 2537[16:55:12] <somiaj> Mad_Hat: what do you mean by ssh session manager? Are all these ssh sessions to the same machine?
• 2538[16:55:21] <jhutchins_wk> live: I would recommend Debian stable. If you just want to use the computer to get work done, it's excellent, and while it might not have the latest bells and whistles, it has the essentials and has over 30,000 packages available.
• 2539[16:55:33] <hicksd> live: I'd install stable, see if it meets your needs. If you need some newer packages, read up on backports. After that the choice is move to testing or unstable and accept things may break a little now and then, or look at distros that have more regular release cycles, but that means every X month things may break or need reconfiguring.
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• 2543[16:56:43] <live> Does Debian Stable meet the needs of Linux beginners? Those who rely entirely on GUI?
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• 2546[16:57:38] <somiaj> live: Debin stable provides multiple gui's to choose from. The biggest issue many have is with non-free firmware and getting some hardware like wifi to work as this isn't automatic.
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• 2548[16:57:52] <danslo> live: not sure how popular of an opinion, but go with something like ubuntu or mint. they build upon the foundations of debian but are more beginner friendly
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• 2550[16:58:16] <Mad_Hat> Somiaj: No, maybe I should specify terminal/console sessions. Something that'd have a list of saved connections and can quickly switch between active sessions. I figured someone here probably has a good solution they're already using :)
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• 2552[16:58:25] <somiaj> outside of the firmware issue, Debian is beginner friendly and includes lots of good docs for those willing to read.
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• 2554[16:58:47] <jhutchins_wk> Mad_Hat: Specifically something beyond putty?
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• 2557[16:59:08] <hicksd> best bet is to just pick one, install it and see what you think. It's not like you have to stick with your initial decision.
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• 2559[16:59:11] <live> I have a 10 year old laptop. I suppose Debian meets the needs of such systems.
• 2560[16:59:16] <jhutchins_wk> Mad_Hat: Like SuperPUTTY or mputty?
• 2561[16:59:42] <somiaj> live: 10 year old laptop should be fine.
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• 2563[17:00:05] <jhutchins_wk> live: Debian works pretty well on older hardware. Much better than the OS from Redmond.
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• 2565[17:00:47] <gorgon_zola> Mad_Hat: maybe screen or tmux is what you want
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• 2568[17:01:23] <live> what's your opinion on antix and mx linux. Both are based on Debian stable.
• 2569[17:01:32] <zykotick9> gorgon_zola: i assume Mad_Hat is running "the OS from Redmond" is they are using putty...
• 2570[17:01:44] <zykotick9> s/is they/if they/
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• 2573[17:02:29] <hubot> Hi!
• 2574[17:02:34] <live> OS from Redmond? Microsoft Windows?
• 2575[17:03:01] <jhutchins_wk> zykotick9: Putty's available in linux.
• 2576[17:03:04] <jhutchins_wk> ,v putty
• 2577[17:03:05] <judd> Package: putty on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.62-9+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.62-9+deb7u3; jessie: 0.63-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.63-10+deb8u1; stretch: 0.67-2; sid: 0.67-2
• 2578[17:03:22] <gorgon_zola> zykotick9: what i would do is always login to 1 place using putty, then manage the rest from there
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• 2580[17:03:27] <zykotick9> jhutchins_wk: yes... BUT why would ANYONE use it ;)
• 2581[17:03:28] <hubot> sudo apt-get install putty
• 2582[17:03:58] <jhutchins_wk> zykotick9: It's a little easier to manage sessions than editing your .ssh/config file.
• 2583[17:04:02] <live> why that red line in between?
• 2584[17:04:33] <gorgon_zola> redmond avoidance strategies ftw
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• 2586[17:05:03] * zykotick9 must be missing some features while using ssh? he doesn't need to edit his ssh/conf file? or need an ssh "session manager"...
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• 2588[17:05:36] <Freemon> hi
• 2589[17:05:56] <Freemon> how to make username not show at start when u login?
• 2590[17:06:06] <Mad_Hat> jhutchins_wk , gorgon_zola: I'll check those out :)
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• 2596[17:07:20] <xok> is anyone here who has done RAID + LVM setup with preseed file?...
• 2597[17:08:02] <Vizva> xok you could use all commands directly
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• 2600[17:08:33] <Vizva> andcheck outputs
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• 2603[17:08:55] <xok> Vizva, the error now says I am missing the root file system....
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• 2608[17:09:44] <Vizva> not important data ? create it again
• 2609[17:10:30] <Vizva> you could use every command and run it by yourself (copy to terminal)
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• 2614[17:11:34] <Vizva> or you can use that kvpm in x ald later delte all packages with x ;)
• 2615[17:11:40] <Vizva> and
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• 2617[17:12:09] <somiaj> Freemon: you mean the prompt? You don't like the username@host in your prompt?
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• 2619[17:12:29] <xok> running manually raid command will not help because I am having issues with the preseed file, now with the RAID itself...
• 2620[17:12:50] <xok> the worst thing is that the RAID configuration utility ( mdadm ) reports no error...
• 2621[17:13:02] <xok> it says everything is in the normal state...
• 2622[17:13:10] <Vizva> you have all the command, you did show a website full of it
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• 2624[17:13:28] <xok> what do you mean?...
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• 2626[17:13:37] <xok> all the commands say everything is OK...
• 2627[17:13:47] <Vizva> replaced-url
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• 2629[17:14:05] <Vizva> no thats a mistake
• 2630[17:14:06] <live> guys, what is your opinion about the stablity and security in Ubuntu and Mint?
• 2631[17:14:22] <Vizva> wrong file i post
• 2632[17:14:37] <live> neither of them are based on debian stable, I suppose.
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• 2634[17:15:08] <greycat> Neither of them are Debian, so nobody here uses them, so we have no opinion.
• 2635[17:15:14] <Mad_Hat> My office environment is decidedly windows, but I have some Proxmox/debian and a FreeNAS servers that I've setup.
• 2636[17:15:18] <zykotick9> live: you might want to ask for distro opinions in ##linux perhaps? i don't understand why _anyone_ would choose something else, while Debian exists...
• 2637[17:15:32] <somiaj> live: that is kinda off-topic here, this is not a place to compare differnt distros. You may want to ask a ubuntu channel or a mint channel about security support for thir distros.
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• 2641[17:16:16] <Vizva> xok if you have no glue to fix it yourself, so you should change to an easier method
• 2642[17:16:28] <live> since both those distros are based on debian, as a newbie to linux, I thought I could get some clarity here on such things.
• 2643[17:16:38] <xok> Vizva, yeah, I did, I was able to use RAID-only...
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• 2651[17:19:25] <jhutchins_wk> live: Not sure where you'd find people who were very familiar with multiple derivative distributions. ##linux maybe?
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• 2653[17:19:44] <jhutchins_wk> live: Most people here know Debian, and probably don't know a lot of other distros.
• 2654[17:20:17] <live> ok
• 2655[17:20:31] <zykotick9> jhutchins_wk: and some of us are here _because_ we've learned from other distros ;)
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• 2657[17:20:41] <teclo-> live: yeah if we're here it usually means we use Debian GNU/Linux and are happy with it ;) ....
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• 2659[17:20:54] <live> because ##linux requires one to register his nick.
• 2660[17:21:03] <jhutchins_wk> zykotick9: Yeah, well, I've used half a dozen over the years, but not a lot of variants on Debian.
• 2661[17:21:24] <SynrGy> live: so, pick a nick and register it
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• 2663[17:21:33] <live> and I don't know how to register it, neither I feel the need for it.
• 2664[17:21:37] <teclo-> live: I guess you should go to the mint or ubuntu channel and ask them, I bet they'll say why and how their distro is better than Debian ;)
• 2665[17:21:41] <somiaj> live: /msg nickserv help
• 2666[17:21:52] <Vizva> xok why do you need a RAID
• 2667[17:21:56] <somiaj> live: or go to their webpages and read up on their security policy
• 2668[17:22:01] <teclo-> live: yeah you should register your nick, lots of avantages and it's entirely free of charge
• 2669[17:22:18] <live> ok. I'll do that.
• 2670[17:22:42] <Vizva> xok you could use LVM only
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• 2673[17:23:17] <Vizva> its a software RAID
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• 2678[17:24:19] <xok> Vizva, I want LVM based on the RAID.....
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• 2680[17:24:35] <Vizva> it can work like a RAID
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• 2682[17:25:10] <Vizva> many hd adress like one big
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• 2697[17:27:37] <Vizva> and the you have virtualbox, crate a snapshot and the you can make your mistakes
• 2698[17:27:41] <Vizva> then
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• 2708[17:30:53] <Vizva> xok i assume if you create that hd by hand in virtualbox there are no hardware Raid
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• 2714[17:31:26] <xok> Vizva, there is no hardware RAID, I want to go with software RAID instead ...
• 2715[17:31:32] <xok> and use LVMs on top of it...
• 2716[17:31:38] <Vizva> you can use LVM only
• 2717[17:31:42] <Vizva> if you like
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• 2719[17:32:58] <Vizva> i have many different disks(8) into a big one, realised with LVM
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• 2723[17:34:23] <jhutchins_wk> Vizva: Hope you have backups.
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• 2725[17:35:17] <Vizva> yes
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• 2727[17:35:32] <Vizva> you could use physical disk too in virtualbox
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• 2733[17:38:01] <jim87> Hello! I've got a laptop without an external mouse. My touchpad is so sensitive though that often when I'm writing my cursor moves and clicks around. Is there a way to let the touchpad move and click the cursor only when a modifier key is pressed?
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• 2735[17:38:17] <jim87> (or the fn key)
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• 2744[17:40:45] <Vizva> jim87 maybe you could change how the mouse - touchpad are accessed
• 2745[17:40:59] <jim87> Vizva: may you please explain this better?
• 2746[17:41:02] <Vizva> more ms or less
• 2747[17:41:24] <Vizva> the click sensitivity
• 2748[17:42:00] <Vizva> let it dance around but dont let it click
• 2749[17:42:15] <jim87> uhm... I may disable the touch-click, forcing the touchpad to be actually clicked
• 2750[17:42:39] <Vizva> you can change how long a lick takes too
• 2751[17:42:45] <Vizva> click
• 2752[17:43:10] <jhutchins_wk> !touchpad
• 2753[17:43:11] <dpkg> Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. replaced-url
• 2754[17:43:12] <jim87> Yes, but this would let me "lag" when I actually want to click
• 2755[17:44:03] <jhutchins_wk> jim87: One solution is to cut a pice of card stock to fit over the trackpad and use that to prevent it from sensing touches.
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• 2758[17:44:38] <Vizva> "hotkey disable touchpad debian" try to use this search
• 2759[17:44:42] <jhutchins_wk> jim87: Many modern laptops have a function key that will turn the pad off.
• 2760[17:44:51] <jim87> jhutchins_wk: hacking the old style, how is I didn't think about the paper :P
• 2761[17:45:13] <jim87> jhutchins_wk: thing is I have that option, but I'd need to press fn+F9 all the times to enable/disable them
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• 2763[17:46:11] <jhutchins_wk> jim87: That's about the best you're going to get.
• 2764[17:46:20] <jim87> Oh... there's actually an option in "Mouse and touchpad" config, called "Disable during typing"
• 2765[17:46:28] <jim87> that's awesome, how is it's not enabled by default?
• 2766[17:46:34] <jhutchins_wk> jim87: COol.
• 2767[17:46:58] <jhutchins_wk> jim87: gnome?
• 2768[17:47:02] <jim87> You can still move the cursor, click via "hard" click, but not "soft" click via touch
• 2769[17:47:05] <jim87> jhutchins_wk: yep
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• 2786[17:54:18] <Freemon> any ways to hide login name from greeter???
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• 2789[17:55:11] <somiaj> Freemon: Is this the display manager (graphical login), you just want it to display a box to enter in password, no username?
• 2790[17:55:27] <Freemon> yes
• 2791[17:56:25] <somiaj> Freemon: do you know what display manager you are using?
• 2792[17:56:34] <Freemon> default debian
• 2793[17:56:44] <Freemon> i think its gdm3
• 2794[17:57:23] <somiaj> Freemon: I do not know how to do this, but if it is possible you shoudl be able to find some docs on this. so I would search for 'gdm3 hide username' or something like that and then configure gdm3 if it is possible
• 2795[17:57:29] <Vizva> jhutchins_wk replaced-url
• 2796[17:57:38] <somiaj> Freemon: if it is not possible gdm3 you can just see if there is a display manager for which it is possible and switch display managers
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• 2800[17:57:56] <Freemon> hm their is lightdm
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• 2802[17:58:08] <Freemon> but i thought i can use gdm3
• 2803[17:58:12] <Freemon> and hide them
• 2804[17:58:34] <Freemon> anyways can u tell how to turn on root login ?
• 2805[17:58:54] <somiaj> you might be able to, I don't use display managers, so unsure on what features they have. But I pointed you to what to search for.
• 2806[17:59:07] <somiaj> Freemon: you don't want to login to xorg/gnome as root.
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• 2809[17:59:40] <Freemon> why not?
• 2810[17:59:43] <somiaj> Freemon: once you login as a normal user, open up a terminal. In that terminal type 'su -' and then you will be loged in as root. Though you can also use sudo or gksu if you need to run applications as root
• 2811[17:59:53] <Freemon> i know that
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• 2813[17:59:59] <Freemon> i want to login as user root
• 2814[18:00:01] <fossrox> hi guys, i have an unusual case with small disk system, all it's system space got used and now it says, rm: can't remove 'your-file-here': No space left on device -- i wonder if anyone knows what can be done?
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• 2816[18:00:22] <somiaj> Freemon: security issues, configuation issues, running xorg as root is not suggested. Login to root using a terminal.
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• 2819[18:01:09] <Freemon> lets say i will use cli but i want to log in as root user
• 2820[18:01:12] <Freemon> not my admin user
• 2821[18:01:39] <Freemon> when i am login as su its still in admin user right accesing root
• 2822[18:01:42] <Freemon> not root user
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• 2826[18:02:53] <somiaj> Freemon: you can hit ctrl-alt-f2 to open up a second terminal and login as root there.
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• 2828[18:03:06] <somiaj> Freemon: well second console
• 2829[18:03:13] <Freemon> i tried but not working .. :(
• 2830[18:03:25] <somiaj> Freemon: but running 'su -' is the same as login(1) as root.
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• 2832[18:03:41] <Freemon> my problem is different
• 2833[18:03:45] <somiaj> Freemon: what is not working? Did you disable the root account and not give it a password during the isntall?
• 2834[18:03:59] <Freemon> i have else how i can use su
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• 2837[18:04:24] <Freemon> when i am going into close crtl+alt+f2
• 2838[18:04:33] <Freemon> into root its not looging me in
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• 2840[18:05:05] <somiaj> fossrox: sounds like something is wrong with your filesystem. maybe boot from a live system, and fsck it, then see if you can remove stuff from the live system.
• 2841[18:05:36] <amcorreia> use screen or tmux, and you'll have a lot of console
• 2842[18:05:54] <somiaj> Freemon: but typing 'su -' (note the -) in a console as your normal user and typing in roots password works (or were you using 'sudo su -' to become root)?
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• 2845[18:06:27] <xok> guys, please, if someone is familiar with the preseeding and RAID + LVM setup help me get this thing working...
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• 2847[18:06:53] <xok> I am able to have LVM-only or RAID-only setups working but not both of them at the same time...
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• 2849[18:07:07] <xok> I want LVMs to base on RAID ( /dev/md0 )....
• 2850[18:07:16] <SirLagz> xok: with preseed?
• 2851[18:07:35] <xok> yes...
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• 2853[18:07:52] <gen0> Hello world! Is there any awesome guy in here that can help me with how to manually change my computers ip adress in debian? I need to change it from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2?
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• 2855[18:08:01] <SirLagz> xok: can the installation even setup software raid? I've never tried that before...
• 2856[18:08:09] <SirLagz> gen0: is it set in /etc/network/interfaces atm?
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• 2860[18:08:30] <xok> SirLagz, I am able to have it working ( I mean the software RAID )...
• 2861[18:08:41] <xok> SirLagz, I am even able to have LVM working...
• 2862[18:08:56] <xok> SirLagz, but I can't get them working at the same time ( mixing LVM + RAID )...
• 2863[18:09:01] <KODY928021> hello what upstream kernel version is this based on? replaced-url
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• 2865[18:09:14] <SirLagz> xok: well what's happening when you try ? what errors?
• 2866[18:09:26] <gen0> SirLagz: I'm very new to debian, but this folder is empty?
• 2867[18:09:31] <somiaj> KODY928021: that is a meta-package, it points at the current avaiable kernel. Look at the dependencies to see what kernel it is currently pointing at (4.8 in this case)
• 2868[18:09:36] <SirLagz> gen0: /etc/network is empty??
• 2869[18:09:40] <gvt> gen0: I set a static IP directly in my router. don't know if that helps
• 2870[18:09:47] <xok> SirLagz, the main error I am getting states it was not possible to create LVM partitions...
• 2871[18:10:02] <SirLagz> xok: is that exactly what it says?
• 2872[18:10:02] <KODY928021> somiaj thx I found it 4.8.11!
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• 2875[18:10:20] <xok> SirLagz, no, I will provide the exact error in a moment...
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• 2878[18:10:26] <SirLagz> xok: ok, that will help
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• 2880[18:10:47] <SirLagz> gen0: or do you mean the file /etc/network/interfaces is empty?
• 2881[18:10:51] <john_x> Anyone have good experience with ZFS? Is it reliable on Debian?
• 2882[18:11:21] <gen0> SirLagz: sorry, there was a file called interfaces too (also a folder). so whatsup with this file?
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• 2884[18:11:40] <gen0> gvt: Maybe that works too, i'll might check it up
• 2885[18:11:50] <SirLagz> gen0: the file is where the static IP addresses are set, if they are set.
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• 2888[18:12:40] <gen0> SirLagz: "# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
• 2889[18:12:43] <gen0> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
• 2890[18:12:47] <gen0> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
• 2891[18:12:51] <gen0> # The loopback network interface
• 2892[18:12:53] <gen0> auto lo
• 2893[18:12:55] <gen0> iface lo inet loopback" this is what the folder says
• 2894[18:12:57] <gen0> I mean file*
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• 2896[18:13:02] <SirLagz> gen0: right. so it's not set there.
• 2897[18:13:33] <gen0> SirLagz: So this is the place I set it?
• 2898[18:13:42] <SirLagz> gen0: I'm going to guess you're getting the IP address via DHCP then...can you check your router/modem to see if it's set via DHCP?
• 2899[18:14:00] <gen0> SirLagz: Yes
• 2900[18:14:07] <gen0> I think I get it now
• 2901[18:14:18] <somiaj> Freemon: anyways, if you did not give root a passowrd during the install, the account is locked. To be able to use the root account, just change the password with 'sudo passwd root' and set a new password. (unsure if this is your issue)
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• 2903[18:14:25] <john_x> I also mean whether it is reliable to use; it seems it uses many different commands and I don't know or can't see whether regular tools will still work on it.
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• 2910[18:15:45] <john_x> Actually ZFS only seems to use "zfs" and "zpool" commands but it seems to replace everything else, not sure.
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• 2913[18:16:23] <xok> SirLagz, this is the error from the main installer window: replaced-url
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• 2915[18:17:05] <xok> SirLagz, and here are the log entries from /var/log/syslog file: replaced-url
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• 2918[18:17:47] <xok> SirLagz, this is the preseed.cfg file itself: replaced-url
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• 2921[18:18:41] <xuhui> :-)
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• 2934[18:21:45] <xok> SirLagz, anything?..
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• 2955[18:27:50] <frazr> anyone got experience with ultrawide monitors? trying to get 3440x1440 to work, but it get all broken, bought a brand new 34" ultrawide dell monitor today
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• 2958[18:28:05] <frazr> *gets all borken
• 2959[18:28:06] <frazr> :P
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• 2961[18:28:41] <frazr> and i might add that the second montor is a very high res one aswell, that works though with 3840x2160 res, but not in combination with the ultrawide one it seems.
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• 2967[18:31:36] <SirLagz> xok: sorry, wandered away for a bit
• 2968[18:31:40] <SirLagz> xok: I'll have a look now
• 2969[18:31:52] <xok> SirLagz, thank you very much...
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• 2974[18:34:18] <SirLagz> xok: looks like you're trying to create partitions on LVM volumes that don't exist yet judging by that error
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• 2976[18:34:44] <xok> SirLagz, how do I do that in the configuration file?...
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• 2978[18:35:09] <SirLagz> xok: did you write that preseed file by yourself or did you copy and paste it from somewhere?
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• 2983[18:35:39] <xok> SirLagz, Partially I've copied it..
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• 2989[18:35:49] <SirLagz> xok: ok, where from?
• 2990[18:36:00] <xok> SirLagz, from dozens of websites... ;-D
• 2991[18:36:05] <xok> I don't really remember...
• 2992[18:36:06] <SirLagz> xok: lol...righto then
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• 2995[18:36:39] <xok> replaced-url
• 2996[18:36:41] <SirLagz> xok: I'm not too familiar with what you're trying to do, but if I were you, I'd try moving all the md stuff into a partitioning section before doing all the LVM stuff
• 2997[18:36:47] <xok> SirLagz, probably this was the main site....
• 2998[18:37:03] <xok> SirLagz, what do you mean?...
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• 3001[18:37:23] <xok> the purpose is very simple: I want to have RAID device and base an LVM onto it...
• 3002[18:37:42] <SirLagz> xok: yes, and your preseed file is mixing the two up hence the error you're getting
• 3003[18:37:48] <xok> so for example on the system there's a /dev/md0 device (with RAID 5 holding 3 drives) and LVM on top of it...
• 3004[18:38:02] <SirLagz> xok: with your preseed file, you have a "Partitioning" section
• 3005[18:38:10] <xok> yes...
• 3006[18:38:20] <xok> I created that just to be nice looking...
• 3007[18:38:27] <xok> and easy to maintain...
• 3008[18:38:30] <SirLagz> xok: maybe try splitting that into two sections - "Partition - MD", and "Partition - LVM" section, then put everything relevant to those 2 actions in those sections
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• 3010[18:38:48] <SirLagz> xok: and make sure you have "Partition - MD" first, so that all the linux raid stuff is created first
• 3011[18:38:55] <SirLagz> xok: before anything gets done for the LVM
• 3012[18:39:04] <xok> ok, sounds smart enough, let me try that...
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• 3014[18:39:30] <xok> is it possible to run multiple partman things?...
• 3015[18:39:46] <xok> how do I provide device for LVM should I use /dev/md0 ?..
• 3016[18:39:49] <SirLagz> xok: I'm not sure...I've never tried what you're trying at the moment.
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• 3018[18:40:00] <xok> ok, let me try that...
• 3019[18:40:03] <SirLagz> xok: yes, md0 seems to be the md device that's created.
• 3020[18:40:14] <greycat> md0 is the first one, md1 is the second, etc.
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• 3022[18:40:48] <SirLagz> greycat: unless they're not...for some reason one of my boxes has /dev/md0 and /dev/md127....not too sure hwy
• 3023[18:40:56] <SirLagz> why*
• 3024[18:41:07] <SirLagz> not that it's an issue
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• 3037[18:47:16] <xok> SirLagz, it doesn't work... :-|
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• 3046[18:51:12] <at0m> !doesn't work
• 3047[18:51:13] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 3057[18:53:56] <xok> SirLagz, OMG, I think we got it... :-D
• 3058[18:53:57] <Wee> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: Kali "kali-rolling" kali-rolling • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-5257U CPU @ 2.70GHz (2.70GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.9 GiB Total (1.1 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 13.3 GB / 42.8 GB (29.5 GB Free) • VGA: 15ad:0405 @ 8086:7190 • Uptime: 3h 2m 22s
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• 3062[18:55:20] <SirLagz> xok: awesome
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• 3067[18:55:39] <xok> yeah, thak you very much, it was really a great suggestion....
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• 3069[18:55:52] <SirLagz> xok: no problems.
• 3070[18:57:26] <ReallyAredHat> so i ask here and not on #debian-offtopic :) what is the role of queuepop/status: [-5h4k3-] ??
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• 3072[18:58:06] <greycat> Give us some clue where you see this thing.
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• 3076[18:59:01] <ReallyAredHat> a user changed his nick several times around 44 minutes ago
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• 3080[18:59:29] <ReallyAredHat> it seemed like an event is going on
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• 3090[19:06:22] <jelly> ReallyAredHat: you've changed your own nick a couple times in the last hour as well. Do you have a "role"?
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• 3096[19:08:02] <ReallyAredHat> jelly: at the moment i am acting like the main idiot of the network
• 3097[19:08:13] <jelly> carry on.
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• 3109[19:14:28] <Guest85728> How to install packages on debian (pgp key)?
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• 3112[19:15:54] <petn-randall> Guest85728: Can you elaborate? What about the pgp key?
• 3113[19:16:00] <petn-randall> !ask
• 3114[19:16:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3117[19:16:29] <greycat> Normally you install a package by running something like "apt-get install pkgname"
• 3118[19:16:34] <jelly> they left
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• 3122[19:17:17] <seb_> replaced-url
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• 3124[19:17:24] <jelly> !qotd0
• 3125[19:17:24] <dpkg> <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night
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• 3143[19:24:51] <niko1990> hello everyone =)
• 3144[19:25:01] <l0llip0p> niko1990: hello!
• 3145[19:25:01] <niko1990> I have a quick question: Is it possible to run a gui application on the "main" desktop via ssh? I'm thinking about something like "run ./application OnScreen main" ... I'm sorry I really don't know how to explain it =)
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• 3147[19:25:23] <petemc> niko1990: you can set the DISPLAY variable
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• 3149[19:25:37] <greycat> ssh -X, after you enable X11Forwarding in sshd_config on the server.
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• 3151[19:26:06] <jelly> greycat: "main desktop" probably means "local, already running X session at the console of that computer"
• 3152[19:26:53] <greycat> Are you trying to pop up a notification window on someone else's workstation, or what?
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• 3155[19:27:48] <niko1990> Thank you all for your help =) I'm going to take a look into that =)
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• 3159[19:28:38] <niko1990> Acually I'm programming a c++ software right now, that should later check if a gui software is running, and if not, then run it...
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• 3161[19:29:19] <niko1990> In other words: my backend application should check if the gui application is running
• 3162[19:29:42] <greycat> If your application launched from the user's X session, or from a systemd daemon, or from cron, or where?
• 3163[19:29:45] <greycat> Is
• 3164[19:30:09] <likcoras_> Hello, I was looking over my shutdown logs and i saw this: replaced-url
• 3165[19:31:00] <likcoras_> Using lvm on luks, separate /home, /, /var, /tmp and swap
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• 3171[19:32:15] <jelly> likcoras_: which debian release is this? Mine is much worse than just /var ...
• 3172[19:32:15] <nomius> Hi
• 3173[19:32:19] <niko1990> greycat: my backend application should be lunched by systemd after boot, and should lunch the gui application then on it's own.
• 3174[19:32:24] <teraflops> likcoras_: jessie?
• 3175[19:32:25] <likcoras_> latest, 8.6
• 3176[19:32:27] <likcoras_> yeah
• 3177[19:32:29] <nomius> Any way to tell apt/apt-get to not install a file in a package?
• 3178[19:32:47] <jelly> niko1990: what if the user hasn't even logged in? What if multiple users are logged in at the console?
• 3179[19:32:47] <likcoras_> jelly: ehh, and does it cause problems?
• 3180[19:32:56] <jelly> likcoras_: not really, no
• 3181[19:33:02] <greycat> niko1990: then there is no clean way to do it, because you have to make a guess/assumption about the user's X $DISPLAY, and also obtain the user's MIT-cookie for X authentication.
• 3182[19:33:04] <nomius> I thought I could use /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/exclude, but looks like apt/apt-get are not calling dpkg itself...
• 3183[19:33:35] <jelly> greycat: and maybe dbus socket. And maybe pulseaudio socket if it does sound. And maybe more.
• 3184[19:33:46] <nomius> (unless not apt)
• 3185[19:34:04] <teraflops> likcoras_: nah it's fine
• 3186[19:34:17] <likcoras_> Huh, alright. What's causing it, though?
• 3187[19:34:20] <jelly> but I bet systemd has its own way of starting stuff within a running session its own Right Way
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• 3189[19:34:31] <niko1990> greycat: ok... thank you, then I need to think about an other way...
• 3190[19:34:51] <jelly> niko1990: possibly ask the systemd people
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• 3192[19:36:42] <teraflops> likcoras_: my guess is that /var stores logs but system is trying to unmount it too early for the systemd liking since it is already logging shit
• 3193[19:37:00] <likcoras_> Oh, right, since logs are in /var/log
• 3194[19:37:10] <teraflops> yeah
• 3195[19:37:53] <likcoras_> Hm, I wonder making journals not go to /var would fix it. If I did that, I wouldn't be able to check whether the problem was solved, though.
• 3196[19:38:08] <likcoras_> Actually, how would I enable those messages in console during boot/shutdown?
• 3197[19:38:28] <jelly> remove the "quiet" boot parameter
• 3198[19:39:21] <teraflops> likcoras_: not big deal
• 3199[19:39:27] <likcoras_> Oh, right. I thought that was managed by systemd
• 3200[19:39:29] <jelly> (edit /etc/default/grub, run update-grub, next reboot you see lots of stuff at the console)
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• 3203[19:40:08] <likcoras_> Yeah, probably not, but still don't like errors, so
• 3204[19:40:14] <likcoras_> Might as well
• 3205[19:40:23] <teraflops> likcoras_: not big deal to the "changing log location"
• 3206[19:40:45] <jelly> that just means some OTHER mount point won't be able to umount
• 3207[19:41:03] <likcoras_> The logs are in /run if not persistent, though, no?
• 3208[19:41:25] <likcoras_> and /run seems to be mounted as tmpfs
• 3209[19:41:29] <jelly> or in /var/log/journal/ when persistent
• 3210[19:41:34] <teraflops> jelly: if var is not separated then no issue
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• 3212[19:42:00] <jelly> teraflops: /var is ALWAYS separate on my systems
• 3213[19:42:10] <teraflops> ah on yours
• 3214[19:42:14] <teraflops> i missread
• 3215[19:42:28] <teraflops> i was talking about likcoras_ idea
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• 3230[19:55:17] <jelly> teraflops: systemd should have probably known that was going to happen, and not make noise
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• 3239[19:57:36] <Arc> howdy, any sysadmins around for debian.org?
• 3240[19:57:57] <Arc> I found some proprietary copyrighted work on people.debian.org being shared publicly
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• 3242[19:58:33] <FinalX> You should probably contact admin@db.debian.org
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• 3244[19:59:20] <jelly> !dsa team
• 3245[19:59:20] <dpkg> The Debian System Administration team are the people who look after the Debian infrastructure machines. See replaced-url
• 3246[19:59:25] <unborn> guys I added alias into .bash_aliases (alias repo="~/git-repo-create.sh") but when I do repo ... command it keeping saying: bash: repo: command not found
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• 3248[19:59:32] <unborn> do I need to reload something?
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• 3250[20:00:08] <jelly> unborn: does it work if you log off and back on?
• 3251[20:00:21] <amcorreia> source .bash_aliases
• 3252[20:00:38] <unborn> jelly let me check
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• 3256[20:02:11] <unborn> jelly it does.. I knew I was forgetting something meh.. thank you
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• 3281[20:16:08] <amcorreia> 6e:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)
• 3282[20:16:18] <amcorreia> Anyone make this card works on Debian?
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• 3288[20:19:09] <SynrGy> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 3289[20:19:10] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160824-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
• 3290[20:19:23] <amcorreia> didn`t work
• 3291[20:19:28] <SynrGy> from backports
• 3292[20:19:54] <SynrGy> it's a very recent card. the version in stretch says it supports the 8260
• 3293[20:20:11] <SynrGy> probably need a backports kernel too
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• 3295[20:20:50] <SynrGy> replaced-url
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• 3297[20:21:08] <amcorreia> Is safe to run stretch?
• 3298[20:21:18] <amcorreia> I
• 3299[20:21:18] <SynrGy> ^ intel site claims it works with linux with "limited feature support"
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• 3301[20:21:25] <SynrGy> no. you use backports
• 3302[20:21:37] <amcorreia> I'm having same problem with Nvidia gtx 1060
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• 3306[20:23:34] <contrapunctus> o/
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• 3309[20:24:06] <SynrGy> ,v nvidia-driver
• 3310[20:24:07] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 367.57-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.20-4; sid/non-free: 375.26-1
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• 3313[20:24:30] <SynrGy> 367.44 supports it says nvidia's site
• 3314[20:24:41] <SynrGy> amcorreia: same deal there. use the one in jessie-backports
• 3315[20:24:49] <SynrGy> !jessie-backports
• 3316[20:24:49] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 3324[20:25:33] <amcorreia> SynrG, i'm checking the wireless first..thx
• 3325[20:25:40] <SynrGy> k. good luck
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• 3328[20:27:25] <oty> heya. Installing the latest firefox version in jessie is seen as a possible vulnerability ? Or does it just mean debian's security tester did not tried the latest firefox thus not allowing it into stable release ?
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• 3344[20:31:39] <SynrGy> ,v firefox-esr
• 3345[20:31:40] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.6.0esr-1; stretch: 45.6.0esr-1
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• 3348[20:31:50] <SynrGy> oty: ^ not recent enough for you?
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• 3350[20:32:05] <contrapunctus> I can't seem to get ethernet working on this Debian notebook. The ethernet light on the router stays off. "nmcli d show eth0" says GENERAL.STATE is "20 (unavailable)"
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• 3362[20:36:55] <SynrGy> oty: 45.6 was released by mozilla a couple of weeks ago and should be available via jessie-security. install that and you should be fine.
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• 3365[20:39:27] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: wired or wireless?
• 3366[20:39:52] <contrapunctus> wired
• 3367[20:39:54] <babilen> wired ethernet typically
• 3368[20:40:01] <contrapunctus> .o(there's wireless ethernet? wat)
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• 3370[20:40:31] <awal1> contrapunctus: what says lspci -nn | grep -i net ?
• 3371[20:40:41] <awal1> paste.debian.net ^
• 3372[20:40:53] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, for just that one line here is OK.
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• 3377[20:42:37] <oty> ,v firefox-esr
• 3378[20:42:38] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.6.0esr-1; stretch: 45.6.0esr-1
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• 3380[20:42:43] <oty> ,v firefox
• 3381[20:42:44] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 50.1.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 50.1.0-1; experimental: 51.0~b5-1
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• 3384[20:43:53] <oty> SynrGy, it's not the problem actually ; I wonder why debian keep maintening up to date a older revision rather than adopting the ones of mozilla, that's all my question xà
• 3385[20:43:56] <SynrGy> oty: and yes you can install the release version from backports, but esr is what stable supports
• 3386[20:44:11] <SynrGy> oty: that's what esr is *for*
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• 3390[20:44:32] <SynrGy> oty: mozilla specifically maintains that and applies security patches to it
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• 3392[20:45:14] <oty> okay, so -esr is maintained by mozilla a few version back the "official" one ?
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• 3394[20:45:23] <oty> I'll read more about it after lunch, thanks x)
• 3395[20:45:51] <Averlone> .v ruby
• 3396[20:46:42] <contrapunctus> awal1: "01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet Controller [10ec:8136] (rev 05)" "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0032] (rev 01)"
• 3397[20:46:53] <awal1> Averlone , not .
• 3398[20:47:03] <Averlone> ty
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• 3401[20:47:22] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 10ec:8136
• 3402[20:47:23] <judd> [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 3403[20:47:26] <Averlone> ,v ruby
• 3404[20:47:27] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; sid: 1:2.3.3; stretch: 1:2.3.3
• 3405[20:48:15] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: Does the link light on the router & laptop not come on?
• 3406[20:48:36] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: it doesn't.
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• 3419[20:52:37] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: It's rather likely to be a bad cable, but you can try different ports on the router.
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• 3421[20:53:27] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: it works with a different notebook (also running Debian)
• 3422[20:53:28] <jhutchins_wk> ifconfig -a should show the card present; ethtool eth0 should give you some more info about it.
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• 3428[20:57:08] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: dmesg | less, search for eth and net, see what the system thinks is happening.
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• 3435[20:58:58] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: You can also do lsmod to see if r8169 is loaded, and search for r8169 in the dmesg output.
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• 3449[21:04:32] <spaceman> hello folks
• 3450[21:05:05] <spaceman> i'm new to debian
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• 3457[21:06:37] <jhutchins_wk> spaceman: Did you have a support question about it?
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• 3465[21:08:02] <spaceman> no just checkin out the irc
• 3466[21:08:38] <jhutchins_wk> spaceman: Kinda slow today, we do try to keep this channel on-topic and push more social chant to #debian-offtopic
• 3467[21:08:54] <jhutchins_wk> s/chant/chat/
• 3468[21:09:20] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: Still around?
• 3469[21:09:33] <amcorreia> SynrG, no luck with wireless
• 3470[21:09:36] <amcorreia> jhutchins_wk, yes
• 3471[21:10:11] <spaceman> jhutchins_wk, thank u i might loiter there. then come here for tech Qs
• 3472[21:10:41] <jhutchins_wk> I think your video card is too new for the drivers that are packaged for debian. I have a 1050 and had to get them directly from the Nvidia site.
• 3473[21:11:08] <amcorreia> I have problem running they bundle package
• 3474[21:11:23] <amcorreia> I don`t remember now what's the error message I get
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• 3477[21:12:02] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: Did you try installing them from apt?
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• 3479[21:12:24] <amcorreia> jhutchins_wk, yes, them broke xorg.conf and didn't start X
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• 3483[21:13:00] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: I would suggest removing any package with nvidia in it's name - dpkg -l | grep nvidia
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• 3486[21:13:41] <amcorreia> and use only from Nvidia?
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• 3489[21:14:02] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: That's what I did.
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• 3491[21:14:18] <amcorreia> jhebden, ok, I'll try this next weekend again
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• 3493[21:14:29] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: dmesg | less and search for nv, it'll probably say something like "no cards found".
• 3494[21:14:48] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: I just made the .run file executable and ran it as root, worked great.
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• 3499[21:16:20] <amcorreia> jhutchins_wk, ok i'll test again and see what happen, thx
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• 3508[21:19:55] <babilen> amcorreia: The nvidia driver in Debian should work just fine. You need a minimal config in xorg.conf.d and a driver that supports your card. See replaced-url
• 3509[21:22:28] <amcorreia> babilen, I read this wiki and run commands from there...see
• 3510[21:22:31] <amcorreia> ii nvidia-driver 367.57-2~bpo8+1 amd64 NVIDIA metapackage
• 3511[21:22:42] <amcorreia> but, when I run nvidia-detect
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• 3514[21:22:54] <amcorreia> Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version up to 340.96.
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• 3529[21:30:08] <babilen> amospalla: I typically check the README.txt on replaced-url
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• 3532[21:30:52] <babilen> You cn search for you pciid in there (from 'lspci -nn')
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• 3545[21:34:10] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: dmesg says "r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded" "0000:01:00.0: can't disable APSM; OS doesn't have APSM control" "r8169 0000:01:00.0 eth0: RTL8105e at 0xf823a000, ac:16:2d:51:9e:92, XID 00a00000 IRQ 24", and way later - "r8169 0000:01"
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• 3554[21:36:53] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: So the driver is loaded and should be active; anything interesting from ifconfig or ethtool?
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• 3557[21:37:09] <contrapunctus> oops
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• 3562[21:38:02] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: * way later - "r8169 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw" "r8169 0000:01:00.0 eth0: link down"
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• 3567[21:38:44] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: Ok, maybe it's just not up.
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• 3569[21:40:01] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: So we need to know about what those other commands say, particularly ifconfig.
• 3570[21:40:16] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: if I run nmcli con up <name>, it says "Error: Connection activation failed: Connection <name> is not available on the device eth0 at this time."
• 3571[21:40:38] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: I saw that earlier, and I don't think it matters much.
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• 3573[21:41:01] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: I have two theories, one of which is fixable.
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• 3575[21:41:30] <Infiltrator> .
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• 3577[21:42:58] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: "eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ac:16:2d:51:9e:92" "UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1" "RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0" "TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0" "collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000" "RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)"
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• 3579[21:44:01] <contrapunctus> (I may have misconfigured the connection in nmcli though, it's been a long while since I set that up...)
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• 3582[21:44:33] <jhutchins_wk> k, up but no address. dhclient eth0
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• 3586[21:45:15] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: Was it working?
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• 3588[21:45:34] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: appears to be stuck
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• 3590[21:46:27] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: ended with no message.
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• 3602[21:48:29] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: If it returned run ifconfig again and see if there's an address.
• 3603[21:48:37] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: The lack of a link light isn't promising.
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• 3605[21:49:06] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: dhclient doesn't usually return anything.
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• 3612[21:50:55] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: there's a new paragraph in ifconfig - "eth0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ac:16:2d:51:9e:92" "inet addr:169.254.7.182 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0" "UP BROADCAT MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1"
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• 3624[21:58:42] <greycat> Hell of a netmask.
• 3625[21:59:55] <SynrG> amc
• 3626[22:00:02] <contrapunctus> it's greycat :D
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• 3628[22:03:01] <SynrG> pardon. keyboard bumped while cleaning cat hairball :p
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• 3633[22:04:26] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: ping 8.8.8.8, then ping google.com.
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• 3636[22:05:22] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: It looks like you're connected.
• 3637[22:05:39] <greycat> At least to a LAN.
• 3638[22:06:31] <contrapunctus> ping 8.8.8.8 -> "connect: Network is unreachable"
• 3639[22:06:50] <contrapunctus> "ping: unknown host google.com"
• 3640[22:07:30] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: route -n See if you have a default gateway (should be set from dhclient, but...)
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• 3643[22:08:29] <greycat> Given that netmask, I have my doubts.
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• 3645[22:08:40] <Averlone> well it's a link-local ipv4 address, so he won't get very far with that
• 3646[22:09:00] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: "Kerel IP Routing table" "Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface" and that's all.
• 3647[22:09:04] <contrapunctus> * Kernel
• 3648[22:09:25] <greycat> Are you sure there is a functional DHCP server on this network?
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• 3651[22:10:23] <contrapunctus> wait a sec. the link light is now active, dafuq o_O
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• 3658[22:12:10] <contrapunctus> and yet, neither of the ping commands works
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• 3660[22:12:29] <greycat> With no default route, that isn't a surprise.
• 3661[22:12:53] <Averlone> how does ifconfig look now?
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• 3664[22:14:08] <Plushwolf> #debian is also a great source
• 3665[22:14:12] <Plushwolf> oops
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• 3669[22:16:09] <contrapunctus> Averlone: "eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ac:16:2d:51:9e:92" "inet6 addr: fe80::ae16:2dff:fe51:9e92/64 Scope:Link" "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1" "RX packets:160 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0" "TX packets:73 errors:94 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:28" "collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000" "RX bytes:9600 (9.3 KiB) TX bytes:15784 (15.4 KiB)"
• 3670[22:16:39] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: WEll, it did give him an address. Or has Debian started doing that stupid thing where windows will assign a link local address if it can't get dhcp?
• 3671[22:16:41] <greycat> Lost the IPv4 entirely?
• 3672[22:17:01] <Averlone> contrapunctus: pass pls ethtool eth0
• 3673[22:17:31] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: I still don't know what an avahi is. And I remember seeing that on his previous output.
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• 3677[22:18:49] <contrapunctus> Averlone: pass pls?
• 3678[22:18:51] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, it is a link-local address, self assigned. The link shows "up", but he has no link light.
• 3679[22:19:09] <Averlone> contrapunctus: output of "ethtool eth0"
• 3680[22:19:21] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: I would call it hardware at this point, the driver is loaded, the interface is up, but it's not communicating.
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• 3682[22:19:38] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: the notebook, or the router?
• 3683[22:19:51] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: If the cable and port test good, the notebook/controller.
• 3684[22:20:02] <contrapunctus> crap :\
• 3685[22:20:22] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: It could be the port, the router, the cable, or the NIC.
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• 3687[22:20:46] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: Sometimes they're replacable. USB is another option, or get the wireless working.
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• 3691[22:22:54] <contrapunctus> the wifi depends on non-free firmware which isn't installed :(
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• 3693[22:23:07] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: Download it to a USB.
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• 3698[22:24:30] <contrapunctus> will do, thanks everyone :)
• 3699[22:25:13] <Averlone> contrapunctus: check with ethtool eth0 speed and duplex of the connection
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• 3701[22:26:03] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Reference on that subnet: replaced-url
• 3702[22:26:56] <jhutchins_wk> Averlone: The fact that he doesn't have a link light even though the driver is loaded points to hardware; the fact that the OS thinks the NIC is up but he doesn't get DHCP is also a sign.
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• 3704[22:27:22] <jhutchins_wk> Averlone: He could actulally have a link and not have a DHCP server, but I think the lack of lights is telling.
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• 3707[22:28:53] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: It might be interesting to use ethtool -p eth0 to see if the lights come on.
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• 3709[22:29:02] <jhutchins_wk> (They should blink)
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• 3712[22:30:19] <contrapunctus> jhutchins_wk: "Cannot identify NIC: Operation not supported"
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• 3716[22:34:08] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: Oh, that's because it's "up".
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• 3721[22:35:44] <transhuman> utf8mb4_unicode_520_ci <<-- is there a way to add support to this COLLATION in DEBIAN 8?
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• 3733[22:39:20] <jhutchins_wk> contrapunctus: You can try making sure networkmanager isn't running, make sure dhclient exited, taking the interface down, and testing some more, but I don't think you're going to get any better results.
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• 3735[22:39:43] <greycat> Did you try swapping the ethernet cable yet?
• 3736[22:39:50] <transhuman> join #wordpress
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• 3738[22:40:08] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: He said it worked on another laptop.
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• 3744[22:43:31] <transhuman> apparently its a 5.6 versio or greater for support but debian 8 has 5.5.53 for a mysql version
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• 3749[22:44:41] <transhuman> ok got it
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• 3756[22:48:18] <contrapunctus> A second problem on this machine - logging in just makes the login screen appear again, no GUI errors. ~/.xsession-errors - replaced-url
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• 3758[22:49:43] <contrapunctus> (it has XFCE and lightdm)
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• 3761[22:50:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> disk full?
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• 3764[22:51:51] <contrapunctus> CutMeOwnThroat: that was my first thought, but no
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• 3770[22:54:47] <c-c> contrapunctus: replaced-url
• 3771[22:54:51] <fuchsgud> hey what is the way to run a script automatically on user logon ? but the thing is, the script must run as root
• 3772[22:54:55] <c-c> hehe guess
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• 3774[22:55:36] <fuchsgud> keeping security in mind, i suppose the script must not be writable as the user but runnable as root with setuid in mind?
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• 3777[22:56:16] <fuchsgud> i think i might've answered my own question
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• 3779[22:56:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> contrapunctus, also not booted with an error and mounted ro or somesuch
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• 3781[22:58:03] <contrapunctus> CutMeOwnThroat: how may I check that?
• 3782[22:58:19] <greycat> df, mount, journalctl
• 3783[22:58:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> create a file in $HOME…
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• 3785[23:00:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> typical reason login fails is because .Xautority or somesuch cannot be written
• 3786[23:00:05] <contrapunctus> mount says "/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)"
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• 3794[23:01:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> not being able to create a file/socket in /tmp would also do it
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• 3803[23:06:10] <ProjectEnigma> hi. I have a strange thing on a Debian i386 box here. last successful upgrade was on Apr 10. later upgrades lead to segfault in every single program.
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• 3806[23:06:36] <ryouma> memtest? loader?
• 3807[23:06:50] <ProjectEnigma> restore from backup works. but I also tried debootstrap and rsync which fails too
• 3808[23:07:09] <ProjectEnigma> while chroot into the debootstrap target directory works
• 3809[23:07:14] <ryouma> isolate it to the kernel?
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• 3817[23:08:07] <ProjectEnigma> same kernel: restore userland from backup, ok, upgrade to May 1 snapshot, crash
• 3818[23:08:30] <ProjectEnigma> rsync from debootstrap without different kernel, also crash
• 3819[23:08:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> sounds like a bad library… libc6 if everything is affected
• 3820[23:08:51] <ProjectEnigma> yes
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• 3822[23:09:41] <ProjectEnigma> but every version since May 1 seems bad. and I tried debootstrap + rsync bc I thought possibly the upgrade step was too big
• 3823[23:10:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> look what was upgraded in /var/log/dpkg* and /var/log/apt*
• 3824[23:10:30] <c-c> ProjectEnigma: what do you have in your sources.list?
• 3825[23:10:36] <ProjectEnigma> earlier I tried upgrading only libc and the few packages that need to be at same version. also bad
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• 3827[23:10:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> upgrade from what to what
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• 3829[23:11:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> what version of debian is this and what are you trying to upgrade to
• 3830[23:11:22] <ProjectEnigma> from Debian testing apr 10 to newer Debian testing
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• 3833[23:11:53] <ProjectEnigma> atm I'm in a grml restoring backup again
• 3834[23:12:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, then ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net… that's more specifically for testing/unstable and more people running it are hanging out there
• 3835[23:12:40] <ProjectEnigma> hmmm ok thanks.
• 3836[23:12:45] <contrapunctus> CutMeOwnThroat: the only tmpfs mounted as ro is /sys/fs/cgroup
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• 3839[23:13:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's not even a real filesystem, though
• 3840[23:13:50] <contrapunctus> ¯\(°_o)/¯
• 3841[23:13:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno then
• 3842[23:13:58] <contrapunctus> drat.
• 3843[23:14:05] <contrapunctus> thanks anyway
• 3844[23:14:27] <c-c> contrapunctus: did you try reinstall and/or reconf?
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• 3846[23:16:34] <c-c> $ dpkg-reconfigure lightloginmanagerpackagename
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• 3911[23:41:34] <Della> what tool is recommended for decoding flash (swf) in Linux?
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