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3[00:01:10] <quadrathoch2> weird question. I added a repository on my install which is amd64, but apt search pulls arm64 results oO. and yes the repo has amd64 stuff in it replaced-url
4[00:01:22] <quadrathoch2> even arch=amd64 doesn't help
5[00:03:01] <sney> that's not arm64, that's arm32. pastebin your sources.list and the output of 'apt policy'
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8[00:03:26] <quadrathoch2> sney yeah but some results are armhf, some arm64
9[00:04:13] <quadrathoch2> replaced-url
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12[00:05:59] <sney> and...
13[00:06:08] <quadrathoch2> arg sorry xD
14[00:06:21] <sney> at first blush it does seem to be caused by this suse repo though
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17[00:06:57] <quadrathoch2> replaced-url
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19[00:07:55] <sney> yeah, all of your debian stuff is normal, but opensuse has multiple binary arches listed in that repo's Packages file, so apt just shows them to you
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21[00:08:35] <quadrathoch2> sney k thanks :) will contact the guys over at podman. but weird, that's the first time I am seeing this. as my other systems don't have that issue :(
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23[00:09:05] <Antoine|> bendem: Did I misunderstand you earlier? I believe you said to use -m 2 to have my files in two different disks. Isn't it -m1? That's one mirror so that's already two copies, right?
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72[01:14:48] <longears> Hmm. All the google results I find, for keeping the `iso` on a flash drive, are all about using `dd`. If it's possible to install `grub` and keep an `iso` file on it? It should be possible, that's how my live images work. But installation DVD for some reason fails.
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74[01:15:45] <longears> I'm pretty sure I miss a couple of `grub` options and it should be something easy and obvious. Just can't figure out what's the problem. If you can please point me towards an article about it, that would help.
75[01:15:53] <sney> I think there are methods to have the installer image on a partition and chainload isolinux with grub
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77[01:16:16] <sney> I don't know about articles, but "chainload isolinux with grub" would probably be a decent starting point for search terms
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79[01:19:20] <jrtc27> I did it once, it does work
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81[01:19:28] <ectospasm> longears: I just sent a PR/merge request that does exactly that: replaced-url
82[01:19:33] <jrtc27> (primarily because I was lazy)
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84[01:20:04] <ectospasm> I haven't tested it in Debian, not sure if the exfat-utils are up to snuff (need kernel 5.4+ for exFAT anyhow).
85[01:20:12] <jrtc27> although I think I just did it with the netboot installer
86[01:20:19] <jrtc27> so just needed to point it at a vmlinux and initrd
87[01:20:26] <jrtc27> so not quite what you want
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90[01:21:45] <ectospasm> longears: glim.sh is designed to wipe and load a USB thumb drive, and it's intended for Linux live ISOs (just copy them to /mnt/boot/iso when the script finishes). THe script is in Bash so it should be straightforward to read.
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92[01:22:16] <ectospasm> The GRUB2 menu has submenus for all the different distros it finds in /boot/iso/<distro>/
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94[01:23:03] <ectospasm> The maintainer of the top-level GLIM project hasn't been responsive lately, not sure what the deal is.
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100[01:32:26] <longears> Thanks guys. :) I'll look into it today. Looks like that's what I needed.
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102[01:33:39] <longears> My `grub` is pointing to `loop /boot/iso/blah.iso` and has `linux` and `initrd` options after it. So the ISO boots up, I can set charset in it, etc. Then it gets to "mount the CD" and that's where it gets lost.
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108[01:38:11] <ectospasm> longears: you may need the image device path as a GRUB variable. It really depends on the ISO. The GLIM project has a bunch of distro-related GRUB configs to see how some of them do it.
109[01:38:37] <longears> Thanks. Will look into this weekend.
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112[01:42:16] <dfacto> what's the recommended way to install a single package from testing or unstable instead of stable by default?
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114[01:42:42] <ectospasm> dfacto: I'd go with backports, myself.
115[01:43:09] <ectospasm> The version you want might already be in the backports repository.
116[01:43:38] <dfacto> in this case i wanted to try this out with nano, which is v3.2-3 and unstable is at 4.9.3-1
117[01:43:46] <ectospasm> dpkg: backports
118[01:43:46] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
119[01:44:15] <ectospasm> dfacto: ^
120[01:44:26] <dfacto> ectospasm, thanks :)
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122[01:45:11] <sney> ,v nano
123[01:45:12] <judd> Package: nano on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.6-3; stretch: 2.7.4-1; buster: 3.2-3; bullseye: 4.9.3-1; sid: 4.9.3-1
124[01:45:23] <sney> looks like it'd be a ssb in this case
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127[01:47:32] <dfacto> just tested, pulling nano from backports brings in 3.2-3
128[01:47:47] <ectospasm> Then the ssb is the way to go.
129[01:48:01] <sney> there isn't nano in backports so you just got the buster one.
130[01:48:02] <sney> !ssb
131[01:48:02] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
132[01:49:15] <dfacto> thanks
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136[01:54:08] <sney> some people on the internet will tell you that you can use pinning to install sid/testing packages on stable. this is technically true, but almost always a bad idea. I know rebuilding it seems like a nuisance but it's the way you need to go, if you want your system to be sane, and upgradable in the future.
137[01:54:52] <dfacto> i've always stuck with stable (99% of the time) so I haven't messed around with building from sid yet. this is a good test for me to learn I guess
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139[01:55:39] <sney> yeah, with an editor you're unlikely to run into any problems
140[01:56:15] <dfacto> right, just noticed nano was released to version 5, so figured I'd try the latest available in the debian repo
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142[01:57:21] <dfacto> which actually makes me wonder, a package like nano being so "far behind", is there a reason for that?
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146[02:00:00] <dfacto> i'm assuming all dependencies would have to be brought to stable also?
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154[02:03:13] <Unit193> I believe the bot has a command for that.
155[02:03:16] <Unit193> ,checkbackport nano
156[02:03:17] <judd> Backporting package nano in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
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158[02:03:29] <Unit193> ↑ is also in backports, you're good.
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160[02:07:54] <annadane> ,v nano
161[02:07:55] <judd> Package: nano on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.6-3; stretch: 2.7.4-1; buster: 3.2-3; bullseye: 4.9.3-1; sid: 4.9.3-1
162[02:08:05] <annadane> ,v debhelper-compat
163[02:08:06] <judd> No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64.
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165[02:08:48] <annadane> nano is super unnecessary to use new versions of, anyway
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169[02:12:18] <sney> the package is debhelper, as previously stated
170[02:13:14] <sney> I can't see a practical difference between nano on my desktop (bullseye) and on my media server (buster) but it's likely to be a minimal enough package that backporting it will be a clean example of how to do that
171[02:13:31] <dfacto> right, i just picked nano for trying this out
172[02:13:43] <dfacto> when building dep i get builddeps:nano : Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13)
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179[02:20:34] <quadrathoch2> hey at least nano gets in the new version 5.0 a scroll bar xD
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183[02:25:42] <ectospasm> since I operate in tmux almost exclusively I haven't noticed the need for a scroll bar anywhere.
184[02:26:36] <quadrathoch2> ectospasm it's mostly there for showing you where you are in the document, I'm not even sure it's an interactive scrollbar
185[02:27:17] <dfacto> well, download the latest version .deb and installing with dpkg seemed to work fine
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187[02:29:52] <ectospasm> dfacto: that must mean it doesn't have any runtime dependencies.
188[02:32:00] <Unit193> sney: I actually notice a difference and do like the bullseye version better, fwiw.
189[02:32:26] <ectospasm> quadrathoch2: I prefer my customizable vim status line, myself!
190[02:33:10] <quadrathoch2> ectospasm eh I'm thinking about moving to vim from vi, but still not sure :/
191[02:33:35] <ectospasm> quadrathoch2: really? Vi IMproved is so much better!
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193[02:33:59] <quadrathoch2> ectospasm idk, most features I don't really need
194[02:34:14] <ectospasm> On systems that don't have vim I just do: alias vim=vi
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196[02:34:56] <ectospasm> quadrathoch2: you don't need what you've never used, but I couldn't go back to vi for my daily text editing.
197[02:35:00] <dfacto> when i first started with debian I used to use pico.. then nano.. and stuck with it since then. trying to use vi makes me feel like i lost control of my hands
198[02:35:39] <quadrathoch2> dfacto there is no need to use vi(m). I know a lot of people who stay on nano :)
199[02:35:50] <ectospasm> I'll admit, I was a forced convert to vi back in 1998... The sysadmin at my internship wouldn't install emacs for me. I've been using vi/vim ever since.
200[02:35:51] <quadrathoch2> ectospasm, but then why not neovim ;)
201[02:36:15] <ectospasm> quadrathoch2: I don't know anything about neovim. If it's like neomutt I probably won't like it.
202[02:36:19] <dfacto> and i only do basic text editing on console, like editing configs files pretty much...
203[02:36:36] <dfacto> nano serves me well for that purpose, mostly because the key bindings are engraved in my brain already
204[02:36:43] <quadrathoch2> ectospasm replaced-url
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207[02:38:22] <ectospasm> Hahaha! "A nice looking website, that’s one thing Neovim did right." —Bram Moolenaar
208[02:38:29] <ectospasm> (that's the guy that invented Vim!)
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212[02:40:22] <quadrathoch2> I mean he is right :)
213[02:40:27] <ectospasm> And besides, I won't be able to install neovim on the on-premises equipment I manage.
214[02:40:47] <quadrathoch2> that's a really good reason not to install neovim ^^
215[02:40:58] <ectospasm> vim is already there by default, though!
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224[02:50:37] <ectospasm> I mean, I guess I *could* get RPMs of neovim and install them that way, but that's a lot more work for something I don't really need (these appliances typically don't have Internet access, so we don't update them using the normal network methods).
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228[02:53:57] <quadrathoch2> ectospasm yeah, sadly default does have a say in the end :/
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288[04:48:52] <tinga> Hi. Does anyone know how to get clang -fsanitize=memory to abort when encountering an uninitialized memory error instead of calling _exit ?
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292[04:50:43] <tinga> I'm on testing. I found a patch that was *apparently* accepted in 2015 to make that the default on what may only be OS X. I need it on Debian and I don't get why if abort is *possible* it's not done.
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294[04:51:10] <tinga> (I'm on testing using clang-10)
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296[04:52:15] <sney> the "accepted" varies based on whether you mean upstream, or unstable, or anything else, etc, but anyway:
297[04:52:18] <sney> !debian-nexty
298[04:52:21] <sney> !debian-next
299[04:52:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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306[04:56:42] <tinga> I meant, accepted into the llvm upstream.
307[04:57:28] <tinga> Why would people write such a brilliant tool and then not allow me to use GDB to inspect the program when an error is detected? I don't get it.
308[04:58:24] <nvz> this would be something to bring up on the bts, or in an email to the maintainer or somewhere other than here
309[04:58:57] <nvz> we are all just debian users who volunteer to help people with issues on debian stable, few if any of us her have anything at all to do with the debian project
310[04:59:19] <tinga> I was (still am) just expecting it to be "oh, just do this or that" kind of answer. I can't be the first one to want that in years?
311[05:00:01] <tinga> (And I've already asked on #llvm; given that OS X appears to be doing abort, I thought this is Debian specific.)
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313[05:00:19] <sney> probably not the first, but still far enough off the beaten path that the regulars here don't know the answer.
314[05:00:19] <tinga> Yes, I'll take it to the bts now.
315[05:00:40] <nvz> or at least to the network Debian uses, and ask actual debian developers
316[05:00:46] <nvz> people who use these sorts of things
317[05:00:59] <tinga> I don't get why using gdb is off the beaten path. It's literally the very *first* bug I'm using -fsanitize=memory on that I *need* gdb.
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319[05:02:07] <nvz> I could tell ya how to run a command from a terminal, to see stdout, how to redirect that to termbin, how to strace, thats basics..
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321[05:02:49] <nvz> you're talking development in a users channel
322[05:03:06] <nvz> !irc
323[05:03:07] <dpkg> IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at replaced-url
324[05:03:12] <nvz> !debian irc
325[05:03:17] <tinga> Maybe let me check debian-next then.
326[05:03:24] <nvz> meh
327[05:03:33] <nvz> oh that was the right factoid :P
328[05:03:51] <nvz> there are a long list of channels on that wiki entry.. they are all on OFTC
329[05:04:01] <nvz> many of them have developers in them
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339[05:33:51] <nvz> so. I use multiheaded machines a lot cause I like to multitask and I have some 10 year old or so windows games I play in wine and with this thing called dxwnd I can often make these games run on one screen and still just move my mouse right out of it and onto the other monitor and still do other stuff.
340[05:34:15] <nvz> however this doesnt always work.. I was thinkin maybe I could use xephyr for this instead
341[05:34:48] <nvz> just put like a nested x server on one screen and let it truely think its running fullscreen but be doing the stuff more natively rather than running a directx hooking tool in wine
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349[05:41:27] <nvz> seems that xephyr was software rendered and someone forked it to provide direct rendering, and idk which debian has, or how these nested servers really work.. just was wonderin what anyones thoughts might be on trying to use them to play ignorant directx windows games in wine on one monitor while still being able to use other monitors
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387[07:29:19] <Cyanoxygen> Hi, I have a problem with my new Intel AX200 wireless card. I recently replaced an AC9462 with AX200, then boot to Debian, but there's no wireless connection.
388[07:30:16] <Cyanoxygen> dmesg said "probe failed with error -110", after a web search i still cant figure out why this occurred and how to fix it.
389[07:30:48] <sney> !iwlwifi
390[07:30:48] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at replaced-url
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393[07:32:57] <Cyanoxygen> I have iwlwifi and its firmware installed. Maybe i should try booting to Windows then reboot to Debian
394[07:33:27] <diogenes_> Cyanoxygen, pastebin: dmesg | grep -i firmware
395[07:35:51] <jim> when you run a shell program, to get english messages, do you put LC_ALL=c before the program name?
396[07:36:17] <themill> C not c
397[07:36:26] <themill> !localised errors
398[07:36:26] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
399[07:36:27] <nvz> LANG=C is typically sufficient isnt it?
400[07:36:33] <jim> oh thanks
401[07:38:39] <jim> nvz, probably; I don't know what "ALL" includes
402[07:39:02] <nvz> pretty sure ALL is literally all the local variables
403[07:39:27] <nvz> i.e output of 'locale'
404[07:39:41] <nvz> all those are superceded by LC_ALL afaik
405[07:39:49] <jim> and that's how I find a list?
406[07:40:03] <jim> I see
407[07:40:09] <nvz> I've always just use LANG=C personally but I dont really do it often
408[07:43:25] <nvz> "LC_ALL is an environment variable that overrides all of these. It is typically used in scripts that run particular programs." from gnu.org
409[07:44:47] <themill> you often want to override date and number formats as well as the text
410[07:44:48] <nvz> replaced-url
411[07:44:56] <nvz> thats an intereting read on this subject
412[07:45:04] <nvz> it talks about particular caveats
413[07:45:19] <themill> also locale(7)
414[07:46:42] <jim> ok, thanks again, I'll bookmark that
415[07:47:20] <themill> !man 7 locale
416[07:47:20] <dpkg> man 7 locale is probably at replaced-url
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418[07:48:59] <nvz> themill: I must've missed you doing that.. I didnt know that factoid existed
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431[08:08:23] <mnathani> which Graphical desktop would provide the best performance?
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434[08:10:33] <themill> There's no way of answering that without a requirements list.
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445[08:15:37] <nvz> mnathani: you can see my page replaced-url
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448[08:17:20] <themill> !ifrp
449[08:17:20] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
450[08:17:23] <themill> CarlFK: ^^
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452[08:22:06] <Cyanoxygen> diogenes_, replaced-url
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456[08:23:26] <Cyanoxygen> I do not have a Ethernet connection so i could only take photos, sorry
457[08:23:34] <nickotheus> My raspberry pi dirty: replaced-url
458[08:23:51] <CarlFK> themill: thanks
459[08:24:10] <Cyanoxygen> Kernel version is 5.7 BTW
460[08:24:10] <mnathani> where can I get tty-tetris?
461[08:25:52] <diogenes_> Cyanoxygen, cat /etc/os-release | grep -i pretty
462[08:26:12] <nickotheus> mnathani, replaced-url
463[08:26:40] <nickotheus> Cyanoxygen, I don't think I can get 5.7 for my ARM device yet
464[08:27:15] <Cyanoxygen> diogenes_ , Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid
465[08:27:34] <CarlFK> themill: shouldn't 5) rw come before 4) set pw?
466[08:27:59] <themill> CarlFK: 5 is not rw, it's ro
467[08:28:40] <diogenes_> !tell Cyanoxygen about debian-next
468[08:28:57] <CarlFK> oh.. whoops, right.
469[08:29:08] <Cyanoxygen> Oh thank you
470[08:29:12] <themill> Cyanoxygen: what's the relevant line from "lspci -nn" for that device?
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473[08:30:53] <Cyanoxygen> nickotheus: yeah this is a x86-64 laptop
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475[08:31:39] <Cyanoxygen> themill: now I do not think i should ask questions here while using sid branch XD
476[08:31:47] <themill> meh
477[08:31:50] <nickotheus> Cyanoxygen, honestly it's kinda special to be on 5 anything with buster
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479[08:32:08] <flayer> i
480[08:33:08] <Cyanoxygen> nickotheus: I usually use latest kernel as I can, for stable I use backports to install 5.x kernel
481[08:34:05] <ectospasm> Cueball: I do that, too.
482[08:34:13] <ectospasm> At least on my Debian buster router.
483[08:34:36] <Cyanoxygen> Thank you guys, now my wireless connection is back, but only after rebooting from Windows akes sense
484[08:36:16] <Cyanoxygen> It is strange that my WiFi card only works after a reboot from Windows, and formally with AC9462, the wifi works with fresh boot but Bluetooth requires a reboot from Windows to work
485[08:36:35] <themill> probably something that rfkill can toggle for you
486[08:37:04] <themill> (or it might be that it's loaded firmware that persists across warm boots)
487[08:38:43] <Cyanoxygen> Yeah I think so
488[08:39:16] <Cyanoxygen> The firmware persists across warm boots
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499[09:07:41] <jerlique> Hey all, hoping somene can point me in the right direction. last night my freenas rebooted and a debian 8 host I have running has seemily corrupted itself. If I boot, the console shows bios, and then goes to a blank screen, with a cursor. if I type the cursor moves. enter puts it bak to the start of the line. SO I closed the disk and attached it to another vm and the files are there. I tried to reinstall grub from a debian 10 DVD, but
500[09:07:41] <jerlique> it comes back and says "Unable to install grub in /dev/xvda1... exeuting grub-install /dev/xvda1 failed". this is the right disk if I look at the recovery shell
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502[09:09:42] <ectospasm> jerlique: are you trying to install grub to a partition? /dev/xvda1 is a partition. Maybe you want /dev/xvda instead?
503[09:10:02] <ectospasm> It sounds like grub got corrupted on that Debian 8 host of yours.
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506[09:14:15] <ratrace> Long live systemd. Created a bridge, and a tap, and some pci passthrough hardware rewiring using services, netdevs and networkd, in 5 minutes. After few days of trying to figure out which guide on configuring tap devices via interfaces(5) from 2006 is still valid.
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509[09:18:25] <CyberManifest> sney: I'm trying to setup wifi again... but I'm following that guide and @ allow-hotplug wlp2s0 I'm getting an error allow-hotplug: command not found
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512[09:19:37] <CyberManifest> oh lol, I feel foolish, I'm supposed to put it in a file not as a command at terminal
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514[09:23:47] <CyberManifest> sney: I'm getting wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
515[09:24:25] <CyberManifest> run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
516[09:24:35] <CyberManifest> ifup: failed to bring up wlan0
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580[10:49:30] <f-a> Hello. I lately found myself in a no-net time and using wget to batch download pages when I had some access
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583[10:50:17] <f-a> I would have loved to have a command line application which searches $search_engine, selects first result and downloads it locally
584[10:50:48] <f-a> I was starting to script it but then I realised someone might have done the job already, so I am here asking: is there anything similar?
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600[11:03:56] <tinga> sney, nvz : FWIW, "export MSAN_OPTIONS=abort_on_error=1" (which is *undocumented* in the upstream docs and only ever mentioned accidentally in any page on Google) solves it (thanks to #debian-devel)
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637[11:50:47] <f8e4> suddenly my xfce is not avail on tt7
638[11:50:56] <f8e4> what is wrong?
639[11:51:15] <nkuttler> f8e4: what do you mean
640[11:51:30] <f8e4> tty7 no such, nada only 1-6
641[11:52:18] <nkuttler> do you have a blank tty?
642[11:52:24] <f8e4> tty1-6 only
643[11:52:29] <f8e4> how 7 for gui
644[11:53:48] <nkuttler> f8e4: do you use a display manager?
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646[11:54:13] <f8e4> Everything defualt, just installe dyesterdya
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648[11:54:35] <nkuttler> f8e4: please answer the question
649[11:54:53] <f8e4> yes
650[11:54:57] <nkuttler> which one?
651[11:55:01] <f8e4> dm
652[11:55:07] <nkuttler> which one?
653[11:55:15] <f8e4> no idea sry
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655[11:55:41] <nkuttler> f8e4: what's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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658[11:57:07] <f8e4> lightdm
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660[11:57:38] <f8e4> nor: exec startxfce4
661[11:57:43] <nkuttler> f8e4: try systemctl restart lightdm
662[11:57:46] <f8e4> yesterday all fine, now garbarge :(:(:(
663[11:58:52] <f8e4> system not been botted with sysd as init
664[11:59:17] <nkuttler> ok...
665[11:59:24] <nkuttler> what was it booted with?
666[11:59:36] <f8e4> i have no idea, i downloaded livecd amd64 and instlaled, now this wtf
667[11:59:53] <nkuttler> how do you figure it was not booted using systemd?
668[11:59:53] <f8e4> yesterday all fine
669[12:00:12] <f8e4> your command: then show this error
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672[12:01:27] <nkuttler> f8e4: what did you do since yesterday?
673[12:01:39] <nkuttler> did you remove systemd or what?
674[12:07:30] <f8e4> abort reinstall
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693[12:32:54] <NetTerminalGene> boothole grub2 update has bug that computer isn't boot if you boot in bios (not uefi). anyone has this issue? i use bios. can it hit me randomly?
694[12:33:10] <NetTerminalGene> i made the upgrade
695[12:33:17] <NetTerminalGene> i scare
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743[13:24:29] <Regor> NetTerminalGene: no problem after upgraded grub .... working fine in bios.. 😃️ .
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763[13:39:36] <f8e4> i am in a root shell in recovery: ping goolge.com: namer or service not known. how to get the intel-microcode pkg installed?
764[13:39:57] <f8e4> could not resolve deb.debian.org
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768[13:41:56] <diogenes_> f8e4, cat /etc/resolv.conf
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775[13:47:58] <f8e4> diogenes_ my router is listed cool
776[13:48:04] <f8e4> how to get the mentioned packege?
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780[13:49:43] <diogenes_> f8e4, i mean do you see any nameserves in cat /etc/resolv.conf?
781[13:50:15] <f8e4> diogenes_ yes my router
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784[13:51:16] <f8e4> how to get internter, jus tthick pkg, no else, just internet
785[13:52:45] <diogenes_> if you can't: ping google.com there is no internet.
786[13:52:57] <f8e4> all other machines fine, cable fine,
787[13:54:38] <diogenes_> f8e4, nmcli d
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789[13:55:03] <diogenes_> see if it says connected.
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791[13:57:33] <f8e4> ok lets reinstall again
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794[14:00:30] <oxek> f8e4: don't take this the wrong way, but you're not helping us help you
795[14:00:56] <oxek> you need to provide us with logs, outputs of commands, and tell us what you tried so far, and what you're actually trying to achieve
796[14:01:41] <oxek> if I interpret it correctly, you're in a rescue environment, so you'll need to chroot into the actual debian installation
797[14:01:49] <oxek> if you're using the debian rescue cd, it makes that easy
798[14:02:25] <oxek> once you're in there, you need to get internet working, and then a simple apt install will give you intel microcode
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813[14:27:32] <koldf> could someone provide help with this error
814[14:27:33] <koldf> files list file for package 'linux-modules-5.3.0-62-generic' contains empty filename
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816[14:28:13] <RoyK> koldf: full /boot?
817[14:28:18] <RoyK> as in the filesystem
818[14:28:30] <koldf> care to elaborate
819[14:30:38] <koldf> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
820[14:30:41] <koldf> this is also the part of the erorr
821[14:30:47] <koldf> error*
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824[14:32:19] <RoyK> koldf: pastebin output of df -h, please
825[14:32:23] <RoyK> !pastebin
826[14:32:24] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
827[14:32:48] <koldf> replaced-url
828[14:33:43] <RoyK> no - looks ok - but please don't use fscking pastebin.com - better use paste.debian.net or something not as spammy
829[14:33:50] <koldf> alright
830[14:33:53] <koldf> well do you have an idea
831[14:33:57] <koldf> what could be wrong
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833[14:34:12] <RoyK> what was the full error message from apt/dpkg?
834[14:34:13] <koldf> I've been on the os for so long, reinstall will be a nightmare
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836[14:34:34] <spammy> RoyK: I agree :P
837[14:34:44] <koldf> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
838[14:34:45] <dpkg> i don't know, koldf
839[14:34:46] <koldf> files list file for package 'linux-modules-5.3.0-62-generic' contains empty filename
840[14:34:48] <koldf> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
841[14:34:51] <quadrathoch2> btw, as this sounds alot like ubuntu, are we sure it's debian oO ^^
842[14:35:16] <koldf> it is lubuntu iirc
843[14:35:32] <RoyK> then wrong channel
844[14:35:42] <quadrathoch2> you would need to switch to #ubuntu koldf
845[14:35:47] <koldf> alright thanks guys
846[14:35:51] <koldf> gonna ask there
847[14:36:34] <Vonor> hey, any kvm/libvirt/qemu gurus here? I am trying to pass through a pci device. i set it up with vfio. added the pci device to the vm and the vm is able to boot. but the guest does not see the device.
848[14:37:38] <RoyK> there's this saying in Norwegian, "Som man roper i skogen, får man svar", which translates to something like "As you shout in the forest, answers are given". IMHO that's analogous to asking on #ubuntu ;)
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851[14:38:38] <RoyK> Vonor: nothing in lspci either?
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853[14:39:38] <Vonor> RoyK, guest is MicrosoftOS so no lspci. but let me try to boot a linux live system.
854[14:40:24] <quadrathoch2> Vonor are you sure the linux side is okay?
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857[14:41:39] <Vonor> quadrathoch2, no not really. that's why i am looking for help :) this is my first attempt at passing through pci to a guest. i basically worked with this howto: replaced-url
858[14:42:17] <RoyK> shouldn't be any difference between the client OS there, really
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861[14:44:19] <quadrathoch2> Vonor I only ever tried it once, but make sure the vfio driver is used for the gpu (can't remember the command)
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863[14:44:59] <Vonor> lspci -nnv
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865[14:46:35] <Vonor> lspci -nnv shows for the nvidia card i want to pass through: Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci / Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_current_drm, nvidia_current
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867[14:47:32] <quadrathoch2> sounds good
868[14:47:44] <Vonor> for g in /sys/kernel/iommu_groups/*; do echo "IOMMU Group ${g*/}:"; for d in $g/devices/*; do echo -e "\t$(lspci -nns ${d*/})"; done; done shows the PCI Bridge, the gpu and the hdmi sound from the gpu in one group.
869[14:49:29] <RoyK> possibly windows driver issues somewhere, then? dunno if this is virtio or physvirt
870[14:50:24] <Vonor> argh, idiot me...i passed through the sound card only.....
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872[14:51:10] <brokencycle> Hi! I recently bought a mouse for my laptop, and I am having some trouble I could not yet resolve. Intermittently, I am having problems with left-clicking. I swapped the mouse, but the problem persists.
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874[14:51:24] <brokencycle> I'm running a fairly up-to-date Buster.
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876[14:51:43] <RoyK> brokencycle: always start by s/fairly/really/ ;)
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882[14:57:51] <quadrathoch2> and maybe add what kind of mouse you got yourself
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884[14:59:48] <brokencycle> @RoyK: I update every few days.
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886[15:01:23] <brokencycle> I'm updating right now, and I am quite unhappy that my unattended-upgrades don't seem to work.
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888[15:02:29] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle care to post the conf file?
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890[15:02:55] <oxek> brokencycle: updating right now might not be wise - 10.5 was *just* released, not even public on the homepage.
891[15:03:04] <brokencycle> You mean, for unattended-upgrades?
892[15:03:19] <oxek> unattended-upgrades don't run immediatelly afaik
893[15:03:30] <brokencycle> yes, it's a cron job
894[15:03:42] <RoyK> just update first
895[15:03:53] <RoyK> but I just wonder - are you low on RAM?
896[15:04:10] <brokencycle> Of course. No, I'm not low on RAM.
897[15:04:24] <RoyK> 'free' tells you that?
898[15:04:49] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle yeah I meant unattended upgrades config file :)
899[15:05:00] <brokencycle> If I upgrade manually, I usually do "apt update; apt -d -y dist-upgrade" and then take it from there.
900[15:05:36] <brokencycle> $ free
901[15:05:38] <brokencycle> total used free shared buff/cache available
902[15:05:40] <brokencycle> Mem: 32467720 13798660 8788544 1568276 9880516 16629100
903[15:05:42] <brokencycle> Swap: 31248380 3038208 28210172
904[15:05:44] <brokencycle> y
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906[15:05:44] <RoyK> brokencycle: I usually replace ; with && so that if the update fails, it doesn't run dist-upgrade, but hell - that's a minor
907[15:05:47] <quadrathoch2> !paste
908[15:05:48] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
909[15:06:04] <quadrathoch2> argh :/
910[15:06:06] <RoyK> dpkg: tell brokencycle about paste
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912[15:06:19] <quadrathoch2> !paste
913[15:06:20] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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915[15:06:37] <RoyK> quadrathoch2: you just wrote that ;)
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917[15:06:54] <quadrathoch2> RoyK brokencycle was kicked
918[15:07:01] <quadrathoch2> so he wasn't in the chatroom
919[15:07:20] <RoyK> quadrathoch2: I know, but if I tell dpkg to tell him about it, dpkg will msg him
920[15:07:50] <quadrathoch2> RoyK ahh okay, I didn't know that, learned something :)
921[15:08:26] <ndegruchy> Hmm, my upgrade just failed with "no space left on device", which is absurd, because I have more than 80% free on /
922[15:08:47] <quadrathoch2> ndegruchy can you paste.debian.net your df -h
923[15:08:56] <ndegruchy> yeah, one sec
924[15:08:57] <RoyK> ndegruchy: add df -i too
925[15:09:46] <ndegruchy> replaced-url
926[15:09:48] <brokencycle> The unattended-upgrades config file is here, but without all the comments: replaced-url
927[15:10:17] <RoyK> ndegruchy: what about /boot or something?
928[15:10:53] <brokencycle> That was an accident - RoyK asked for the output of 'free', and I pasted it.
929[15:10:57] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle there should be more oO
930[15:11:22] <ndegruchy> replaced-url
931[15:11:29] <brokencycle> quadrathoch2: You mean, unattended upgrades should have more stuff?
932[15:11:51] <RoyK> ndegruchy: boot is rather full
933[15:11:53] <RoyK> and very small
934[15:12:02] <ndegruchy> That is what the installer generated
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936[15:12:16] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle what does /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log say?
937[15:12:25] <RoyK> ndegruchy: still very small, regardless of whose fault it is
938[15:12:36] <RoyK> ndegruchy: do you have many kernels installed there?
939[15:13:20] <ndegruchy> Hang on, only what apt installs. I'm autoremoving the old one, though
940[15:13:50] <RoyK> ndegruchy: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz*
941[15:13:53] <RoyK> pastebin that
942[15:14:03] <brokencycle> This file is empty.
943[15:14:20] <quadrathoch2> hm
944[15:14:41] <ndegruchy> I think the autoremove might have fixed it
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946[15:14:48] <ndegruchy> I see:
947[15:14:49] <ndegruchy> ~/Downloads/thunderbird
948[15:14:49] <ndegruchy> ❯ sudo ls -l /boot/vmlinu*
949[15:14:49] <ndegruchy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5274864 Jul 24 14:46 /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-10-amd64
950[15:14:49] <ndegruchy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5274864 Jun 7 11:42 /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-9-amd64
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953[15:15:11] <ndegruchy> ha! oops
954[15:15:16] <RoyK> dpkg: tell ndegruchy about paste
955[15:15:26] <ndegruchy> yeah yeah. my bad
956[15:16:03] <ndegruchy> I'm going to reboot to make sure everything is okay
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958[15:16:23] <brokencycle> This is the full file: replaced-url
959[15:17:29] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle what does /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades say?
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961[15:18:19] <brokencycle> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
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963[15:18:26] <brokencycle> APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";
964[15:18:31] <brokencycle> that's it.
965[15:18:36] <quadrathoch2> k
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967[15:19:23] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle what does systemctl status apt-daily.timer say?
968[15:19:35] <quadrathoch2> (as long as it's running active, it's okay)
969[15:20:25] <quadrathoch2> btw did you look into the log file with sudo or not? as you would need sudo
970[15:20:39] <brokencycle> replaced-url
971[15:20:52] <quadrathoch2> sounds good
972[15:21:07] <quadrathoch2> so now we need to figure out why there is no log file, or empty one
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974[15:21:28] <brokencycle> $ ls -l /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
975[15:21:31] <brokencycle> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 1 00:00 /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
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977[15:22:21] <brokencycle> I should probably install apticron.
978[15:22:43] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle what does unattended-upgrade -d say?
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984[15:26:40] <brokencycle> quadrathoch2: it says tons of stuff like "ignoring ... with priority < 0", but now it is upgrading my system. :/
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987[15:27:43] <quadrathoch2> huh? i thought you were uptodate :/
988[15:28:09] <quadrathoch2> as long as it runs through nothing should happen
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990[15:29:04] <brokencycle> I did a donwload of all the things, but when i noticed that it would seriously change the system, I didn't follow through until I have more time to look at the details.
991[15:29:21] <brokencycle> But now, unattended-upgrade is doing it, regardless.
992[15:29:23] <quadrathoch2> yeah makes sense
993[15:29:26] <quadrathoch2> oO
994[15:29:31] <quadrathoch2> that shouldn't happen
995[15:29:38] <quadrathoch2> if you cancled it
996[15:30:11] <brokencycle> It didn't ask any questions, but just started to do things.
997[15:30:33] <brokencycle> well... it's "unattended", after all.
998[15:30:49] <brokencycle> (note to self: read the manpage before running commands from the Internet)
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1001[15:32:13] <brokencycle> I actually expected it to just give me some status info.
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1003[15:32:30] <brokencycle> Anyway... can someone please shed some light on the mouse problem? It's really freaking me out.
1004[15:32:41] <quadrathoch2> sorry, as I thought you were completly updated, it should only give you informations :/
1005[15:33:11] <quadrathoch2> you still didn't mention which mouse you got
1006[15:33:23] <brokencycle> No worries- if it brings in 10.5, I would have done that shortly, anyway.
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1010[15:34:38] <brokencycle> Oh. I have two mice. One is a cheap Dell (but it doesn't indicate the model number, or I can't find it), and the other is a Logitech G502 Hero. I bought it because I expeceted it to be more rugged than a normal "office" mouse.
1011[15:35:23] <brokencycle> The Logitech is new, but both have the same problem: I can click for a while, but after a while, left click stops working. Then I need to use the touchpad
1012[15:35:31] <ndegruchy> Well, other than thunderbird forgetting my settings, everything is good. That's probably just a local configuration. The kernel removal freed up the space on boot for my upgrade.
1013[15:35:59] <brokencycle> and/or do some other stuff, like switching consoles, or unplugging it and plugging it back in, then I can left-click again.
1014[15:36:07] <brokencycle> right click works all the time.
1015[15:36:40] <RoyK> ndegruchy: just remove the old kernel to free up some space or perhaps ditch the whole /boot partition - it's not needed anymore anyway
1016[15:36:41] <brokencycle> If left click would work reliably, I could turn the touchpad off, but this way, I can't.
1017[15:37:00] <brokencycle> This is causing me a lot of problems with my hanging thumbs.
1018[15:37:02] <RoyK> ndegruchy: that is - you need the directory, but it can reside on root
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1020[15:37:23] <RoyK> less hassle next time that way
1021[15:37:26] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle that sounds like a software issue :/ because if even the dell mouse doesn't work after a while. but that's over my head that issue :/
1022[15:37:58] <quadrathoch2> the only thing I know is that the library is libinput :/
1023[15:38:18] <brokencycle> Yeah. I searched on the Internet before I came here, and this problem has been afflicting several users for about a decade, with no clear solution in sight. =8-|
1024[15:39:27] <brokencycle> I haven't had such a problem on a desktop computer, but I have it on laptop computers.
1025[15:39:50] <brokencycle> OTOH, I haven't had a desktop computer for a while.
1026[15:40:20] <brokencycle> I wonder whether it might be a combination of hardware and software, though.
1027[15:40:33] <brokencycle> Any ideas on where, or how, to start debugging?
1028[15:41:16] <quadrathoch2> hm if it's for about a decade, that sounds more like a kernel issue then maybe
1029[15:41:16] <brokencycle> Oh.... I noticed that unattended-upgrade does not seem to upgrade third-party packages.
1030[15:41:19] <brokencycle> Just saying.
1031[15:41:27] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle yeah you didn't activate that ;)
1032[15:41:57] <brokencycle> The kernel has changed somewhat in the last decade...
1033[15:42:05] <brokencycle> Interesting!
1034[15:42:54] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle yeah, but also the input library (as it was totally switched out)
1035[15:43:03] <quadrathoch2> rewritten
1036[15:43:07] <brokencycle> ok...
1037[15:43:20] <brokencycle> any suggestions as to whom to talk to, maybe?
1038[15:44:03] <quadrathoch2> brokencycle maybe talk over at ##linux
1039[15:44:09] <quadrathoch2> but not sure
1040[15:44:13] <brokencycle> ok...
1041[15:44:22] <quadrathoch2> as I guess that it's a linux issue not debian or?
1042[15:45:11] <brokencycle> I personally only use Debian, but I dimly remember that other people on the Internet were sometimes using other stuff, like Ubuntu.
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1044[15:45:38] <brokencycle> I didn't look too much into reports that did not mention either Debian or Ubuntu, though.
1045[15:45:57] <brokencycle> I didn't conduct a survey.
1046[15:46:30] <quadrathoch2> yeah I guess, but as ubuntu pulls in a lot from debian, it could still be an only debian issue :/
1047[15:46:36] <quadrathoch2> probably not. but who knows
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1052[15:49:40] <brokencycle> ok.. thank you, anyway!
1053[15:49:47] <brokencycle> I'll see what I can do.
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1090[16:17:50] <Vonor> erm. still fighting with the pci passthrough. host uefi is set up to use the internal gpu, but the linux kernel switches to the nvidia gpu after "loading ramdisk...... trying to terminate efi services again".
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1095[16:19:34] <shibboleth> using vfio? you did blacklist and stub?
1096[16:22:28] <Vonor> shibboleth, yes, blacklisted nouveau and nvidia* and updated initramfs. still the host os switches to the nvidia card after the kernel/initramfs loaded
1097[16:22:47] <shibboleth> eh, no
1098[16:23:05] <shibboleth> paste.debian.net lspci -vn
1099[16:23:58] <Vonor> replaced-url
1100[16:24:06] <shibboleth> also, i'm assuming that you intend on using the igpu for the host?
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1102[16:24:47] <shibboleth> what are you kernel bootflags?
1103[16:25:16] <Vonor> the integrated gpu is only used for shell access, which is almost never needed. but yes, the igpu should be used for the host, the nvidia should be purely available to the guest
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1106[16:26:15] <shibboleth> 03:00.0 0300: 1a03:2000 (rev 30) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
1107[16:26:49] <shibboleth> is there an igpu in that list?
1108[16:26:53] <Vonor> iommu_intel=on is available in /proc/cmdline
1109[16:27:29] <shibboleth> seems to me it may be disabled in bios?
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1111[16:27:41] <Vonor> replaced-url
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1113[16:28:09] <shibboleth> so, a separate, dedicated gpu
1114[16:28:11] <shibboleth> not an igpu?
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1117[16:28:36] <shibboleth> in any case:
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1119[16:28:52] <Vonor> it's onboard, the xeon doesn't have an intel gpu included. but it's fixed on the board, not an additional card
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1122[16:29:57] <shibboleth> /etc/modules <--- add "pci_stub ids=10de:1d01,10de:0fb8"
1123[16:30:05] <shibboleth> update-initramfs, reboot
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1125[16:30:49] <shibboleth> also, look through your bios settings, there may be a way to select the boot/primary output
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1127[16:31:33] <shibboleth> cat /proc/cpuinfo
1128[16:32:00] <shibboleth> rather, i only need the model
1129[16:32:10] <Vonor> the boot gpu is the internal one. like i said, it switches _after_ the kernel is loaded
1130[16:32:28] <Vonor> xeon E3-1230
1131[16:32:28] <shibboleth> k
1132[16:32:30] <Vonor> v3
1133[16:32:38] <shibboleth> try stubbing the device ids
1134[16:32:54] <shibboleth> yes, that one lacks an igpu as opposed to the 1235 iirc
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1137[16:34:15] <shibboleth> since vfio-pci is a module as opposed to pci-stub this may affect eraly loading
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1139[16:34:19] <shibboleth> early
1140[16:35:01] <Vonor> oh, i see grub on both displays. the internal one and the nvidia one.
1141[16:35:12] <Vonor> going to check bios again
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1147[16:37:01] <Vonor> vga priority is set to onboard
1148[16:37:10] <shibboleth> well, it isn't onboard :)
1149[16:37:23] <shibboleth> rather, doesn't look like it
1150[16:37:52] <shibboleth> no, you already said it is onboard
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1153[16:38:12] <shibboleth> in any case, do the pci-stub and disconnect the monitor from the nvidia for now
1154[16:38:14] <Vonor> well, onboard yes, just not integrated in the cpu. i guess what supermicro is refering to with onboard
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1157[16:42:39] <Vonor> and all this trouble only cuz i need an android emulator with arm support. everything i tried on linux is hella slow, including android x86 in a vm. the only thing that works rather smoothly is bluestacks on windows. and to enhance the performance i want to add the gpu.
1158[16:42:41] <shibboleth> "well... we're waiting...."
1159[16:43:32] <Vonor> well, console output is on the onboard gpu again after i rebooted with unplugged monitor on the nvidia card
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1161[16:43:53] <shibboleth> and you did pci-stub the device ids, update-initramfs and reboot?
1162[16:44:22] <Vonor> yes
1163[16:44:29] <shibboleth> paste lspci -vn
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1166[16:46:04] <Vonor> gimme a sec. the box froze
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1168[16:46:38] <shibboleth> lemme guess: you started the vm?
1169[16:46:52] <Vonor> yes
1170[16:47:00] <shibboleth> yeah, we're not quite there yet
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1173[16:48:04] <shibboleth> i remember accomplishing this by means of brute-force trial and error back when vfio-pci was bleeding edge
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1175[16:50:07] <Vonor> replaced-url
1176[16:50:24] <shibboleth> ehm
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1178[16:50:48] <shibboleth> why is vfio-pci loaded for the card, not pci-stub?
1179[16:50:55] <shibboleth> you have a sep module rule?
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1182[16:51:28] <Vonor> for vfio-pci? yes. i set it up initially with this guide: replaced-url
1183[16:52:14] <shibboleth> yeah, remove vfio_pci ids=10de:1b83,10de:10f0
1184[16:53:07] <shibboleth> update-initramfs, reboot, paste lspci -vn
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1187[16:53:45] <shibboleth> ofc, blacklist nvidia/nouveau in modprobe.d/blacklist.conf if not already done
1188[16:54:17] <shibboleth> also, comment anything in /etc/modprobe.d/vfio.conf
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1193[16:57:45] <Vonor> it's still vfio-pci. let me grep where it is coming from now
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1199[17:01:11] <Vonor> ok, to make it clear. i blacklisted nouveau, nvidia*, commented out anything vfio-pci related. anything else before i update-initramfs and reboot?
1200[17:01:47] <shibboleth> well, paste /etc/default/grub
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1202[17:02:16] <shibboleth> also, /etc/modules has pci_stub ids=10de:1d01,10de:0fb8 without quotes?
1203[17:02:46] <Vonor> yes
1204[17:03:24] <shibboleth> well, the card isn't bound to vfio-pci by default
1205[17:03:43] <shibboleth> so you either do this by means of cmdline or module rules
1206[17:04:15] <shibboleth> maybe in rc.local?
1207[17:05:56] <shibboleth> backtrace your steps, make sure nothing binds it to vfio-pci, update initramfs and reboot
1208[17:06:08] <shibboleth> i've gotta leave in about 15 minutes, so hurry
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1212[17:10:30] <Vonor> ffs, now "Kernel driver in use: nvidia"
1213[17:10:56] <shibboleth> ehm.
1214[17:10:59] <shibboleth> ok, try this, then:
1215[17:11:45] <shibboleth> nano /etc/default/grub
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1217[17:12:08] <shibboleth> place ...pci-stub.ids=10de:1b83,10de:10f0 on kernel cmdline
1218[17:12:14] <shibboleth> update-grub2, reboot
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1220[17:12:48] <shibboleth> but you must add blacklist nvidia, blacklist nouveau on sep lines in blacklist.conf and update initramfs
1221[17:13:17] <shibboleth> also, add rdblacklist=nouveau to the kernel cmdline
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1224[17:14:30] <shibboleth> and you really shouldn't have nvidia installed on the host
1225[17:14:37] <shibboleth> uninstall it and hurry
1226[17:14:51] <Vonor> for whatever reason truenas scale installs it by default
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1228[17:15:25] <shibboleth> ok, then blacklist it as both a module and kenrel cmdline
1229[17:15:39] <shibboleth> rdblacklist=nvidia
1230[17:15:54] <shibboleth> but here be dragons, nvidia may be doing something shady
1231[17:16:09] <shibboleth> six minutes
1232[17:16:11] <quadrathoch2> Vonor hold on, I guess where maybe the issue is
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1234[17:16:25] <quadrathoch2> you are using a alpha release of a non debian release :/
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1236[17:16:47] <shibboleth> quadrathoch2, post hoc, ergo propter hoc
1237[17:16:49] <quadrathoch2> even apt upgrade can break truenas
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1239[17:17:14] <Vonor> quadrathoch2, i am aware of that. even the gui update breaks the system.
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1241[17:17:54] <Vonor> update the system all vms are gone. you have to boot back into the previous version :-/
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1244[17:18:19] <LCRERGO> Hi, when I'm in a control file and it says: ${misc: Depends}, from where does it get the value?
1245[17:18:23] <shibboleth> yada, yada, blacklist, update cmdline udate initramfs/grub and reboot
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1248[17:18:49] <Vonor> i'm rebooting as fast as possible :)
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1250[17:19:01] <shibboleth> must reboot faster, must reboot faster
1251[17:19:10] <shibboleth> id4-reference
1252[17:19:45] <Vonor> if you have to run, we can continue another time. i appreciate the help so far :)
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1255[17:20:29] <shibboleth> i have a few minutes, just reboot and regret having a server mobo which takes forever to boot
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1257[17:21:03] <Vonor> haha. truenas actually needs longer than the mobo. but yah i wanted ecc ram for the zfs pool
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1262[17:22:08] <Vonor> ok, i give up for now. lets continue this later. i blacklisted nvidia both in cmdline as well as in modules configs and it still uses nvidia driver.
1263[17:22:23] <shibboleth> well
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1266[17:22:59] <RoyK> Vonor: did you run update-initramfs -a ?
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1268[17:23:06] <Vonor> i might as well do a backup of the vms and re-install the system.
1269[17:23:08] <shibboleth> also: ^
1270[17:23:12] <Vonor> RoyK, -u actually
1271[17:23:31] <shibboleth> update-initramfs -k -a all
1272[17:23:38] <shibboleth> update-initramfs -k -a
1273[17:23:39] <shibboleth> even
1274[17:23:59] <shibboleth> look out the output of dmesg
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1276[17:24:10] <shibboleth> should provide some hints
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1280[17:24:41] <Vonor> -a is not a valid option. you mean -k all?
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1284[17:28:01] <Vonor> quadrathoch2, btw, i have no important stuff on that system, yet. just toying around with it. the only important thing are the VM XMLs as the windows versions are activated. but i back them up regularly. so no issue if that system breaks completely
1285[17:28:58] <quadrathoch2> Vonor i get you, but still the wrong channel to discuss truenas scale issues ;)
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1287[17:29:36] <RoyK> Vonor: sorry - I don't use that too often ;)
1288[17:30:08] <Vonor> quadrathoch2, well, the truenas channel is dead. scale is based on debian and except for something specific to truenas keep loading the nvidia modules everything else is general stuff :)
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1290[17:31:02] <quadrathoch2> Vonor yeah but as we don't know what iXsystems is changing on the system, we can't really support it. for example who would have known that nvidia is automatically loaded :/
1291[17:31:26] <RoyK> Vonor: what's truenas anyway?
1292[17:31:34] <Vonor> yah i see your point.
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1294[17:31:52] <quadrathoch2> RoyK a great NAS OS,
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1297[17:32:12] <quadrathoch2> based on bsd, but they are building a flavor with debian as the underlying OS
1298[17:32:31] <Vonor> RoyK, truenas scale is a nas system based on debian that uses zfs. it's still in alpha. the original truenas (and freenas) are based on freebsd.
1299[17:32:54] <RoyK> so a freenas fork?
1300[17:33:18] <Vonor> i especially decided to play with scale since it is linux based and supports kvm and docker, rather than bhyve. never was a fan of bhyve and i only played with it a couple times.
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1302[17:34:07] <Vonor> freenas is the opensource version. truenas is the commercial product. but freenas became truenas core and they are now working on scale based on linux rather than bsd
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1304[17:34:30] <quadrathoch2> RoyK they renamed freenas it to truenas core
1305[17:35:25] <RoyK> ok
1306[17:36:34] <Vonor> i hope they will implement this entire pci pass through stuff into the gui. well, it is there already, but not working correctly. you still have to do a lot of manual work. kinda voids the reason for using truenas rather than plain debian for a kvm / nas mix.
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1308[17:38:40] <Vonor> anyway. i'm afk for a while too. way too hot with the temps outside and several systems running in this room. so shutting down some stuff and going to the balcony :)
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1310[17:38:48] <Vonor> thanks everyone and see you later
1311[17:38:53] <quadrathoch2> Vonor, if truenas itself is already a big indicator, then yes they will implement it, but it will be just basic stuff as big enterprise doesn't really need pci passthrough
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1313[17:40:45] <Vonor> some might need it. i hear gpu usage is a big thing in datacenters these days. but such companies will probably use vmware or something else that specializes on virtualization rather than storage
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1318[17:44:12] <quadrathoch2> Vonor that plus hardware enabled vgpu, where the gpu is shared over multiple OSes
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1383[18:53:59] <CarlFK> replaced-url
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1399[19:06:39] <annadane> CarlFK, in my experience, hours to an entire day
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1403[19:07:18] <annadane> the packages are already updated; the website images take a while
1404[19:07:23] <annadane> for me it's usually a day later
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1414[19:13:20] <CarlFK> annadane: thanks. I can wait. just wanted to make sure it hadn't been missed
1415[19:16:11] <annadane> you don't actually need to constantly update your images
1416[19:16:29] <annadane> anything from the 10 series will generally be ok on fresh install as long as you do an initial update
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1420[19:24:44] <jmcnaught> If you have a network connection during installation then your system will be updated while installing.
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1435[19:39:18] <annadane> right but i thought that wasn't true for some things, like the kerne
1436[19:39:20] <annadane> kenrel
1437[19:39:21] <annadane> KERNEL
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1439[19:41:29] <zmitya> hi all
1440[19:42:05] <zmitya> I would like to convert an LXC container (wheezy) to a KVM virtual machine ...
1441[19:42:39] <zmitya> do you guys have some pointers/suggestions on the topic ?
1442[19:44:13] <quadrathoch2> zmitya afaik it's installing a vm + copying over the data
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1444[19:45:05] <zmitya> quadrathoch2: well, yes, thats what I thought, but ther must be something where I will fail :)
1445[19:45:29] <quadrathoch2> zmitya hm why? I guess you set it up the first time or? ^^
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1448[19:46:58] <zmitya> quadrathoch2: well, I have about 10 custom configured LXCs. I will definitely forget about things... So copying over the data will not work I think. That would be nice to have a "procedure" to convert the whole to a VM
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1450[19:47:50] <quadrathoch2> zmitya theoretically, as long as it's the same system+ updated OS you can copy over everything, from configs to packages installed
1451[19:48:01] <quadrathoch2> but then the next time you will have no idea what you did
1452[19:48:08] <zmitya> I am thinking about building a base VM and then just rsync over the whole LXC...
1453[19:48:29] <zmitya> quadrathoch2: ok, so you also think that this can work :)
1454[19:48:54] <quadrathoch2> that's what I suggested. just make sure to copy over the right stuff
1455[19:49:43] <zmitya> quadrathoch2: sure.. ok, let me give a try... I just wanted to be sure that there is no "tool" for this ...
1456[19:50:00] <quadrathoch2> zmitya nope there isn't
1457[19:50:24] <zmitya> quadrathoch2: thx
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1513[21:17:36] <disillusion> how can it be that I've allowed port 443 for an I.P. range (LAN) on an apache server, and one of the clients in this range is blocked by ufw?
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1515[21:18:02] <disillusion> ufw shows "BLOCK" for one of the addresses
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1519[21:19:58] <disillusion> I'm actually able to use the websites just fine though with the https. It's just that the group video app for Nextcloud isn't working for this client. So the whole thing is just weird.
1520[21:21:45] <disillusion> the server address is at 10.9.0.10, client at 10.9.0.6.
1521[21:21:59] <disillusion> ufw on the server has this rule: 443 ALLOW IN 10.9.0.0/24
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1523[21:22:08] <disillusion> the ufw log shows this:
1524[21:22:20] <disillusion> [UFW BLOCK] IN=tun0 OUT= MAC= SRC=10.9.0.6 DST=10.9.0.10 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=44198 DPT=443
1525[21:22:35] <disillusion> that's ufw on the server at 10.9.0.10
1526[21:23:00] <disillusion> apache on Debian 10
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1539[21:39:16] <quadrathoch2> disillusion can you post your whole ufw ruleset?
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1547[21:46:58] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
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1552[21:49:06] <quadrathoch2> disillusion that is the full output?
1553[21:49:13] <no_gravity> What happens when you have an internal wifi card and an external wifi usb dongle and both connect to the same wifi spot? Will some packets go through one and some through the other?
1554[21:49:13] <disillusion> yes
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1556[21:50:20] <quadrathoch2> disillusion can you post the iptables ruleset file?
1557[21:50:58] <quadrathoch2> no_gravity as far as I know, it just takes one of the wifis, at random
1558[21:51:24] <quadrathoch2> ahh Sven_vB explained it better ^^
1559[21:51:50] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: At random for every packet?
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1561[21:52:03] <quadrathoch2> no_gravity connection
1562[21:52:14] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
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1564[21:52:48] <disillusion> I don't mess with iptables. Only use a few simple ufw rules.
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1566[21:53:19] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: Connection? How do you mean?
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1570[21:54:24] <quadrathoch2> no_gravity let's move this to the ubuntu channel
1571[21:54:35] <quadrathoch2> disillusion do you have access to that client?
1572[21:54:43] <disillusion> yes
1573[21:55:12] <quadrathoch2> disillusion could you make sure that there is no program actively blocking that port maybe?
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1575[21:55:37] <quadrathoch2> disillusion I guess you already flushed the iptables rules and retried?
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1577[21:56:33] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, how would a client effect a server's decision to "BLOCK" access to port 443?
1578[21:57:06] <quadrathoch2> in this regard maybe no the port specifically but the ip :/ disillusion
1579[21:57:15] <disillusion> I never flushed iptables. Just use ufw to create some rules. I've also installed privateinternetaccess VPN, which edits ip tables directly.
1580[21:57:29] <quadrathoch2> disillusion did you ever do ufw reload?
1581[21:58:11] <disillusion> trying that
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1583[21:59:29] <disillusion> still same BLOCK messages
1584[22:00:13] <quadrathoch2> disillusion are there any other devices between those two pcs?
1585[22:00:27] <disillusion> I'm testing 2 different clients who I'm trying to get to do video and voice chat in Nextcloud.
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1587[22:01:09] <disillusion> both are BLOCK'd by the apache server on port 443, shown in ufw logs, even though both clients are logged into Nextcloud. This just doesn't make sense.
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1589[22:02:53] <disillusion> how are they using Nextcloud, which means they're accessing port 443, and yet whenever I try to use the group video app in Nextcloud, the server says "BLOCK" for those clients in the ufw firewall log?
1590[22:03:12] <quadrathoch2> disillusion is this going through a turn server?
1591[22:03:41] <disillusion> I just set up a turn server a few days ago to remedy this problem. It didn't fix anything.
1592[22:03:59] <quadrathoch2> hm, as the turn server would need a few other ports open
1593[22:04:11] <disillusion> and the strange thing is, some clients can do video chats just fine. I don't get why some clients aren't able to connect to each other.
1594[22:04:27] <disillusion> the turn server only needs one port
1595[22:04:31] <quadrathoch2> disillusion okay that's really interesting
1596[22:04:44] <disillusion> followed these instructions for the turn server: replaced-url
1597[22:04:47] <quadrathoch2> disillusion are the clients in the same net?
1598[22:04:59] <disillusion> yes, I have them all on a vpn, using openvpn.
1599[22:05:08] <disillusion> the 10.9.0.0/24 range is the openvpn range
1600[22:05:45] <disillusion> so basically, I've set up a completely private, encrypted, home-run group video chat system
1601[22:06:22] <disillusion> but some clients have issues with the video/audio part.
1602[22:07:11] <quadrathoch2> disillusion all running the same OS?
1603[22:07:29] <disillusion> I shouldn't need a TURN server because the VPN makes it a de-facto LAN, and Nextcloud Talk is supposed to be able to run on a LAN without any fancy configs.
1604[22:07:53] <quadrathoch2> yup, was just making sure
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1606[22:08:04] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, no. Some linux distros, some Windows, some Max OSX.
1607[22:08:15] <disillusion> I'm just testing with linux distros for now.
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1609[22:08:28] <disillusion> running Debian 10 server for Nextcloud, using ufw to set firewall rules.
1610[22:08:36] <quadrathoch2> which distros is the 1 problematic one using?
1611[22:09:03] <disillusion> oh I can't tell which one is the problematic one
1612[22:09:38] <quadrathoch2> huh?
1613[22:10:19] <disillusion> weird things happen sometimes, like 3 people can be voice chatting, and only 2 can hear each other, but in a weird combo. Like one person hears the other 2, but one of those others doesn't hear one of them.
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1616[22:11:18] <quadrathoch2> disillusion asked earlier: is there still some device between those clients? (inside the vpn, like a switch)
1617[22:11:21] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, the clients aren't supposed to have to do anything firewall-wise when using Nextcloud Talk.
1618[22:11:47] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, oh yeah I have the TURN server as a 3rd machine.
1619[22:11:50] <quadrathoch2> disillusion so the firewalls are disabled on the clients?
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1622[22:12:47] <quadrathoch2> I feel like this is more of a nextcloud issue than debian :/ but not 100% sure
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1625[22:13:25] <quadrathoch2> as I can't replicate that block/error
1626[22:13:26] <disillusion> dude I don't disable firewalls on clients. But the firewall shouldn't even be relevant. Also, I've allowed ports 30000-65000 for the IP range just to see if that's the problem. It doesn't fix anything.
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1629[22:17:52] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, I think Nextcloud is worth trying out if you happen to get interested. Set up a vpn with openvpn and see if you get the clients to do group video chat.
1630[22:18:49] <disillusion> it works most of the time for me and the people I get connected. I just get really frustrated when it randomly fails and cannot find the cause of it, and get this strange "BLOCK" message from ufw. I'm not even sure that's the problem.
1631[22:19:53] <quadrathoch2> fyi, i'm pretty sure those ports are irrelevant for anything nextcloud related (30000-65000). and I can only say I did test it out, when it was new. and it worked flawlessly. and I do understand you that it's frustrating. can you maybe pull up the ufw.log and grep for BLOCK lines? maybe there is something in there
1632[22:20:15] <disillusion> by default, it comes with an option to use an external STUN server run by the Nextcloud organization in Europe. But mine shouldn't be trying to use that, only internal.
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1634[22:22:28] <quadrathoch2> yeah I tested that one. but also my own
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1636[22:24:05] <disillusion> quadrathoch2, I've checked. Nothing other than the usual blocks of port 113.
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1638[22:27:12] <quadrathoch2> disillusion so the ufw block you posted earlier, ufw tells us that the source port is 44198 :/ which well yes, gets blocked
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1640[22:27:57] <disillusion> but it's the destination port that gets blocked
1641[22:28:01] <disillusion> right?
1642[22:28:37] <disillusion> when I allow in on port 443, I thought the source port doesn't matter. Clients attempt to connect to the server using destination port 443, and the source port doesn't matter, I thought.
1643[22:28:52] <disillusion> are you telling it works differently?
1644[22:29:57] <quadrathoch2> you are right
1645[22:30:11] <disillusion> so then source port 44198 does not get blocked, right?
1646[22:30:19] <quadrathoch2> still, as I don't use ufw myself, I have to go through some thinking
1647[22:31:21] <disillusion> and note that I allowed in on 20000 to 65000 tcp just in case, and it doesn't help
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1650[22:34:05] <disillusion> I use ufw because it's supposed to make setting firewall rules easy.
1651[22:35:20] <quadrathoch2> disillusion it does.
1652[22:35:52] <disillusion> well when weird stuff like my situation happens, things are not so easy ;)
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1654[22:38:45] <disillusion> I can try running nextcloud on a different distro and see if these issues arise. I've been liking openSUSE lately. Decided to try it for the heck of it, and I've been impressed by the simple GUI admin apps.
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1657[22:40:48] <quadrathoch2> still weird the whole issue.
1658[22:42:07] <disillusion> don't see anything in apache error log
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1660[22:43:58] <disillusion> I don't do anything complicated or fancy. Just basic setups. This is what can frustrate me about this kind of problem. A Debian apache server is supposed to be the easiest thing in the world to understand and run these days.
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1662[22:45:19] <disillusion> and keeping something like Nextlcoud contained entirely within an openvpn network shouldn't in any way cause any problems or have any difficulties.
1663[22:45:51] <disillusion> this should be something any teenager can do
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1666[22:46:00] <quadrathoch2> disillusion, never had issues with such setups :/
1667[22:46:13] <UncleCidd> Just because you haven't done it yet doesn't mean a teenager won't be able to do it lol
1668[22:46:25] <UncleCidd> I feel your pain on the regular though
1669[22:46:38] <UncleCidd> for far simpler things even
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1694[23:13:28] <CombatVet> 10.5 released? topic shows 10.4 still
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1696[23:14:22] <quadrathoch2> CombatVet yes, but no image on the page
1697[23:14:25] <quadrathoch2> for now
1698[23:14:39] <CombatVet> ah
1699[23:15:01] <quadrathoch2> should be up tomorrow at the latest
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1715[23:37:09] <annadane> packages are updated though
1716[23:37:15] <annadane> feel free to apt upgrade
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