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• 10[00:03:14] <eb0t> job done
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• 12[00:04:31] <annadane> sigh
• 13[00:04:41] <annadane> i wonder if i can just leave irc open and have it reconnect
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• 20[00:05:23] <eb0t> not if you are gonna shut down your machine you cant
• 21[00:05:43] <xzcvczx> annadane: screen or the other thingy like it works wonders if you use a terminal client
• 22[00:05:45] <eb0t> if you are not gonna shut down your machine just open your irc client in tmux
• 23[00:05:54] <xzcvczx> tmux thats it
• 24[00:05:55] <eb0t> and then you will always be connected like me
• 25[00:05:57] <usney> I am trying to boot both from usb and dvd from a friend's laptop debian 9.9 gnome and it says it isn't authorized
• 26[00:05:58] <annadane> no i mean for the freenode restart
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• 28[00:06:10] <vuks> thank odin, thor and jesus for screen
• 29[00:06:11] <xzcvczx> annadane: oh then yes it should autoreconnect
• 30[00:06:19] <annadane> i'll just leave it up, then
• 31[00:06:23] <xzcvczx> unless its set to not autoreconnect
• 32[00:06:25] <annadane> see y'all on the flip side
• 33[00:06:51] <xzcvczx> vuks: why does nordic gods get 2 thanks but only one to the christian gods?
• 34[00:06:56] <xzcvczx> well christian idols
• 35[00:07:00] <jmcnaught> usney: is secure boot enabled? You could try a buster installer which is supposed to support secure boot, but stretch does not support it.
• 36[00:07:00] <eb0t> or i could say ...hmmm start by figuring out if you care :)
• 37[00:07:08] <vuks> because nordic gods promised us no ice giants
• 38[00:07:11] <eb0t> how useful would that be
• 39[00:07:13] <vuks> see any? /offtop
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• 41[00:07:32] <usney> how do I know if secure boot is enabled? jmcnaught
• 42[00:07:46] <jmcnaught> usney: check in the BIOS/firmware
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• 49[00:13:55] <annadane> oh services
• 50[00:14:02] <annadane> so freenode itself stays up
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• 52[00:14:06] <annadane> i thought it'd just all go away
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• 55[00:15:00] <annadane> sometimes i forget people actually run irc networks
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• 57[00:15:50] <xzcvczx> how do you prove they are people :)
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• 61[00:17:27] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 64[00:18:42] <xzcvczx> i think replaced-url
• 65[00:18:57] <annadane> yeah
• 66[00:18:59] <SerajewelKS> would using a USB flash drive as an LVM cache volume on top of a raid1 on HDDs be a good strategy or is that likely to be slower?
• 67[00:19:01] <annadane> the ultimate turing test
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• 69[00:20:16] <xzcvczx> SerajewelKS: slower, much slower
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• 71[00:21:42] <SerajewelKS> xzcvczx: due to latency or throughput?
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• 73[00:25:22] <flo2marsnet> hi, we are looking for 5 vouchers for the CCC - Chaos Communication Camp 2019 Aug. 21st - 25th, 2019
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• 76[00:26:23] <flo2marsnet> for a gang of kittens
• 77[00:26:34] <flo2marsnet> thanx
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• 115[00:54:05] <ksft> I'm trying to install Debian on a laptop without an ethernet adapter in a place where the only wifi network uses one of those complicated authentication methods that the installer doesn't seem to support
• 116[00:55:03] <ksft> is there a way to run the installer without connecting to a network?
• 117[00:55:38] <eb0t> why not download the full image and put it on a usb and install
• 118[00:55:40] <hawken> you could use the DVD images to get access to more packages offline
• 119[00:56:04] <ksft> I did
• 120[00:56:08] <ksft> but it won
• 121[00:56:22] <ksft> but it won't stop asking which network to connect to
• 122[00:56:35] <hawken> isn't there a skip button? there is definitely a skip button
• 123[00:57:53] <ksft> I don't see one
• 124[00:57:57] <eb0t> if there isnt then put in 127.0.0.1
• 125[00:58:02] <eb0t> see if that works
• 126[00:58:20] <eb0t> thats the loopback address of the actual machine
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• 129[00:58:48] <ksft> eb0t: where do I put that?
• 130[00:58:58] <eb0t> what does it say exactly
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• 132[00:59:22] <ksft> "Select the wireless network to use during the installation process"
• 133[00:59:34] <ksft> there's a list of networks and "Enter ESSID manually"
• 134[00:59:43] <eb0t> can you not just press next
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• 137[01:00:00] <ksft> eb0t: not without selecting one
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• 140[01:00:30] <eb0t> have you any idea how big the image is you are trying to install from
• 141[01:00:38] <eb0t> is it around 3 or 4 gig
• 142[01:00:41] <ksft> yes
• 143[01:00:49] <eb0t> hmm that should be the full image
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• 145[01:00:57] <eb0t> maybe you need to go back and try expert install
• 146[01:01:06] <eb0t> which may give you an option to skip that step
• 147[01:01:08] <ksft> how do I do that?
• 148[01:01:15] <eb0t> start all over again
• 149[01:01:16] <ksft> I can select "Go Back", but then what?
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• 151[01:01:28] <eb0t> go back until it asks you what type of install to do
• 152[01:01:40] <ksft> it doesn't
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• 155[01:02:04] <eb0t> ok well rip it out the usb and start again from scratch
• 156[01:02:05] <ksft> it says "Debian installer main menu" and "Choose the next step in the install process"
• 157[01:02:10] <ksft> I did that too
• 158[01:02:10] <eb0t> yes
• 159[01:02:15] <eb0t> that sounds cool
• 160[01:02:22] <eb0t> so what steps are there
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• 162[01:02:30] <ksft> it starts with "Choose language"
• 163[01:02:39] <eb0t> ah ok yes
• 164[01:02:42] <ksft> there are a bunch of steps, including "Configure the network"
• 165[01:02:59] <eb0t> ok then go to the step after configure the network
• 166[01:03:00] <ksft> if I select a later step, it seems to sometimes want me to configure the network first
• 167[01:03:52] <eb0t> try the next step
• 168[01:03:55] <ksft> "Set up users and passwords" is the next one
• 169[01:03:59] <eb0t> yes
• 170[01:04:07] <ksft> after doing that, it goes back to "Configure the network"
• 171[01:04:19] <ksft> that's why I asked how to skip that step
• 172[01:04:23] <eb0t> yes and you go to the next step after set up users and passwords
• 173[01:04:29] <eb0t> until you eventually get to the end
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• 175[01:04:50] <ksft> there's no faster way?
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• 177[01:04:56] <eb0t> have you not just got an ethernet cable you can plug into the router
• 178[01:04:58] <eb0t> switch
• 179[01:05:04] <eb0t> and stop using wifi
• 180[01:05:14] <eb0t> i recon it could detect the network
• 181[01:05:27] <eb0t> im no expert as im new to debian
• 182[01:05:33] <eb0t> but this seems logical
• 183[01:05:34] <ksft> the laptop has no built-in ethernet adapter, and I don't have one on me
• 184[01:05:42] <eb0t> ah ok
• 185[01:05:50] <eb0t> then you have the ssid
• 186[01:05:54] <eb0t> but you dont have the password
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• 188[01:06:04] <eb0t> can you not get the password
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• 190[01:06:13] <ksft> no, the network uses an authentication method that the installer doesn't support
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• 192[01:06:20] <belanthor> if you have an usb cable for your smartphone you can use tethering
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• 194[01:06:24] <raedah> any idea what dependency I am missing? replaced-url
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• 197[01:06:48] <eb0t> ah good idea belanthor ..use your phone
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• 200[01:08:30] <jmcnaught> ksft: you can definitely use the debian installer without a network, but after the first boot you will need to configure /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 202[01:09:32] <ksft> ah, the smartphone idea worked
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• 205[01:10:34] <eb0t> nice
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• 210[01:13:38] <boot> hello everyone
• 211[01:14:04] <eb0t> ive got a feeling your gonna regret that name boot
• 212[01:14:44] <boot> no the username is actually quite fitting i was a boot for 5 years in the USMC. Just curious but can anyone see my ip
• 213[01:15:15] <Crapoto> I see 172.58.***
• 214[01:15:22] <Crapoto> .206
• 215[01:15:35] <eb0t> it sayis secure connection but can see the ip of the main conection
• 216[01:15:58] <annadane> you *can* set your name to only ping if it's the first word said
• 217[01:15:59] <eb0t> its not cloaked if thats the aim
• 218[01:16:00] <Crapoto> Why arent the ip's obfuscated on freenode ?
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• 220[01:16:06] <annadane> userwhogetsapingedalot: ping
• 221[01:16:13] <annadane> that kind of thing
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• 223[01:16:52] <phogg> Crapoto: obfuscated where?
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• 225[01:18:07] <Crapoto> i should have said cloaked ? I mean the ip are visible
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• 232[01:27:34] <somiaj> Crapoto: you may want to ask in #freenode as to their policy.
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• 236[01:30:17] <ksft> maybe to help with spam?
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• 238[01:35:54] <ksft> so channel ops can ban based on IP addresses?
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• 241[01:37:58] <maxrazer> How serious should I take these warning by APT about "serious bugs" when it askks me if I'm sure I want to install a package?
• 242[01:38:23] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: it depends on the bug, you can look them up on the BTS
• 243[01:38:46] <maxrazer> I'm installing libreoffice-writer and it wants to install libreoffice-common.
• 244[01:38:56] <maxrazer> serious bugs of libreoffice-common (→ 1:6.1.5-3) <Outstanding>
• 245[01:39:08] <maxrazer> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/basic/dialog.xlc',
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• 326[02:38:24] <hyper-Drive> Nice
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• 334[02:42:09] <kittonian> hi all. I have been waiting in th isc-dhcp channel for a while but no one seems to be around. anyone here that can give me a hand with a dhcp server behaving strangely?
• 335[02:42:49] <hyper-Drive> Well hello
• 336[02:43:07] <hyper-Drive> There is some one alive
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• 338[02:43:19] <jmcnaught> !ask
• 339[02:43:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 340[02:44:01] <hyper-Drive> Wow
• 341[02:44:15] <kittonian> I've got host declarations in place with their corresponding MAC addresses and yet the DHCP server is still randomly assigning IPs and ignoring my config
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• 344[02:45:49] <hyper-Drive> I dunno.. But i would love to know the answer
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• 349[02:47:33] <kittonian> Here's my conf file: replaced-url
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• 351[02:48:14] <hyper-Drive> I run debian on my phone. I usally run on kali but on the phone ubuntu and debian seem to work better
• 352[02:48:18] <oiaohm> kittonian: you have restarted the dhcp server. Some dhcp servers only read the config files on start up.
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• 354[02:48:27] <kittonian> oiaohm, several times
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• 358[02:49:13] <kittonian> oiaohm, reading through the dhcp.leases file confirms that these host entries are being ignored
• 359[02:50:34] <oiaohm> kittonian: 18:c5:23:c4:97:g3 did you modify that configuration to have a bogus mac because you have the same mac address 3 times.
• 360[02:50:42] <kittonian> oiaohm, yes
• 361[02:51:06] <oiaohm> In the real one those 3 are all unique double check that.
• 362[02:51:10] <kittonian> of course
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• 364[02:51:23] <oiaohm> I have had this because I had doubled up one.
• 365[02:51:27] <oiaohm> with a bad copy paste.
• 366[02:51:35] <kittonian> I have triple checked my conf typing
• 367[02:52:19] <kittonian> all good on my end. in fact, I restarted the server and copied and pasted from the dhcp.leases file to compare and sure enough it's randomly assigning an ip from the general pool to a mac address that has a host entry
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• 370[02:54:16] <oiaohm> kittonian: its been a long time since I have done dhcp files I cannot remember if those thing are order important.
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• 374[02:57:22] <kittonian> oiaohm, me too actually. My nest protects went offline in last night's thunderstorm when the power went out and they aren't showing up in the app as actively online (even though they are in my home). So, in order to prevent this issue in the future, I figured I would just statically address each one instead of relying on dhcp leases via the host entries using their mac addressess
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• 376[02:58:13] <cosmo> i bet i break the record of k-line the previous day
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• 394[03:18:04] <ShyTeen98> I am super horny & wet. Join & watch my Live and let's have fun together. The fun is guaranteed, boys. Link ---> replaced-url
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• 449[04:07:29] <mantica> hi
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• 459[04:16:19] <dvs> zzzzzzzzzzz
• 460[04:16:32] <annadane> don't make me add more bugs to buster
• 461[04:16:45] <dvs> Noooooooooooooooooooo!
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• 464[04:19:28] <somiaj> Go fix some instead
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• 467[04:21:36] <somiaj> hmm, down to 88 rc bugs, and it says 22 haev a patch.
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• 495[04:47:04] <Kuleshov> Добро пожаловать на Интрнацональный DC хаб с поддержкой UTF-8 и TLS (полным шифрованием данных и поддержкой всех символов).
• 496[04:47:05] <Kuleshov> Welcome on International Advanced Direct Connect Hub with TLS and UTF-8 supported.
• 497[04:47:06] <Kuleshov> Таблица Символов Юникода - replaced-url
• 498[04:47:07] <Kuleshov> Группа в ВКонтакте - replaced-url
• 499[04:47:08] <Kuleshov> Адрес хаба - adcs://dchub.one:411
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• 503[04:52:35] <rant> does the openvpn server port need UDP only or TCP and UDP?
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• 507[04:54:07] <qman__> depends on your settings, it can operate on either - default is UDP
• 508[04:55:02] <rant> well obviously udp is better
• 509[04:55:17] <rant> I just didnt know if I needed to allow tcp traffic there also or not
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• 511[04:55:29] <rant> or if udp only would suffice
• 512[04:55:36] <rant> just gonna use static key setup
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• 569[06:19:15] <rant> I have two questions regarding openvpn on debian.. first is how the heck to get it to start with systemd I made an /etc/openvpn/server/tun0.conf and /etc/openvpn/server/static.key and it works with openvpn --config .. blah running it manually
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• 572[06:20:14] <rant> the other is, how can I get the remote 10.0.1.2 to have access to my local 10.0.0.x network? I'm not real savvy with firewalling
• 573[06:20:22] <somiaj> rant: systemctl edit servicename, this should make a local copy of the service file in /etc, and you can modifiy the Exec command
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• 575[06:20:50] <jmcnaught> rant: 'systemctl start openvpn@tun0'
• 576[06:21:37] <rant> ideally I'd like to run 10.0.1.1 (local vpn) on server 10.0.0.2 (lan) connecting to remote vpn static client 10.0.1.2 and be able to access 10.0.1.2 from any machine on the LAN and have it able to access anything on the lan
• 577[06:22:00] <rant> jmcnaught: yes well I'd like openvpn to be autostarting
• 578[06:22:20] <rant> I tried setting the AUTORUN="ALL" in /etc/default/openvpn
• 579[06:22:26] <jmcnaught> rant: 'systemctl enable openvpn@tun0'
• 580[06:22:41] <rant> ah, ok.. well I'll try that
• 581[06:22:55] <rant> that much I could've probably figured out as I am vaguely familiar with systemd now.. heh
• 582[06:23:06] <rant> but firwalling on the other hand I am not at all good with
• 583[06:23:31] <rant> idk if I can just use a bridge or what
• 584[06:23:41] <rant> networking isnt my strong suit
• 585[06:25:21] <rant> but I'd like to have the VPN client 10.0.1.2 connecting to 10.0.1.1 on tun0 of 10.0.0.2 on the LAN to just be as though it were connected directly to the LAN and any client on the LAN 10.0.0.2-10.0.0.253 can access it and vice versa
• 586[06:25:24] <somiaj> What is the link between your 10.0.1.x and 10.0.0.x network (or is one of those your isp networks)?
• 587[06:26:00] <somiaj> though I guess this is a bit more complicated (with a vpn) setup than I'm use to, my networking experience if fairly limited too
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• 589[06:26:35] <rant> 10.0.0.1 is my ISP's gateway router, and 10.0.0.2 is enp0s7 on the debian server whose tun0 is 10.0.1.1 routed to 10.0.1.2
• 590[06:27:02] <rant> over the vpn using static keys
• 591[06:27:41] <rant> I can get the remote client connected to the server and ping 10.0.1.2 from the server but not from other clients on the lan
• 592[06:27:50] <zophyx> i'se gonna kix up dis openveepen ana seez wud id do 2 de hexum up chatz
• 593[06:28:25] <zophyx> like weel dis client find youse all agin
• 594[06:28:56] * rant hands zophyx a slab of ribs and some grape drink and sends him on his way
• 595[06:30:33] <rant> I'd imagine I can do some kinda forwarding traffic rule on the server somehow to link the two networks
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• 600[06:34:01] <rant> the systemctl start openvpn@tun0 worked fine after I moved the config to /etc/openvpn/ from /etc/openvpn/server/
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• 602[06:34:22] <rant> idk why they'd have the client and server subdirs if it doesnt use em
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• 630[06:56:06] <zophyx> if i disable systemd-resolved.service, what will the consequences be ?
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• 634[06:56:35] <Psi-Jack> You would, until you fixed it potentially, not be able to resolve any internet address.
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• 637[06:57:33] <zophyx> Psi-Jack, i need to set the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf and not have systemd change it
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• 639[06:57:58] <Psi-Jack> I mean, you could configure systemd-resolved specifically and still allow it to do what it does, which is caching.
• 640[06:58:01] <zophyx> it buggers up my ssh tunneled openvpn structure
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• 642[06:58:09] <jmcnaught> systemd-resolved.service is disabled by default
• 643[06:58:12] <Psi-Jack> It does, only because you're not doing it right.
• 644[06:58:26] <zophyx> Psi-Jack, yu are right sir
• 645[06:58:36] <Psi-Jack> systemd-resolved actually works rather quite well with NetworkManager to handle multiple situations, including VPN, when used correctly.
• 646[06:58:57] <Psi-Jack> But, ssh-tunneled openvpn? Why the heck?
• 647[07:00:13] <zophyx> i tried to set 8.8.8.8 as a dns server in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf, but dig <ip> shows 127.0.0.53 as the contacted server
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• 649[07:00:44] <zophyx> Psi-Jack, tunneling through the public library firewall
• 650[07:01:23] <Psi-Jack> Well, stop that. :p
• 651[07:01:33] <Psi-Jack> Obviously, you're not authorized to do so.
• 652[07:02:05] <Psi-Jack> 127.0.0.53 is systemd-resolved.
• 653[07:02:37] <Psi-Jack> And systemd-resolved actually, IIRC, defaults to google DNS if there isn't another available resolver provided through DHCP or similar.
• 654[07:02:45] <zophyx> its an experiment, right now i'm not using any communications i shouldn't be usoing
• 655[07:03:03] <Psi-Jack> An experiment you are not authorized to be doing.
• 656[07:03:43] <zophyx> i'll use tcpdump and see if there is any traffis to 8.8.8.8, that's my plan
• 657[07:03:44] <Psi-Jack> And a rather silly one. :)
• 658[07:04:14] <zophyx> Psi-Jack, it works except for systemd's overriding
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• 662[07:07:08] <zophyx_> hah, dumb linksys router
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• 712[07:36:36] <Slumlord_> you folks running debian obviously how you guys like or dislike it?
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• 722[07:38:13] <SwedeMike> Slumlord_: it's easier if you have a more specific and less subjective question.
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• 727[07:38:35] <Slumlord_> thinking of going back to debian
• 728[07:38:46] <Slumlord_> i remember how easy it was to break the os
• 729[07:39:02] <Slumlord_> either gnome desktop or xfce
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• 733[07:40:40] <Slumlord_> not sure exactly what i want to run
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• 735[07:41:39] <Slumlord_> stable testing unstable
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• 737[07:42:29] <Slumlord_> i'm leaning towards testing version
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• 741[07:44:50] <somiaj> I would run stable until you are more familar with debian.
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• 744[07:45:08] <somiaj> though buster (which is testing) is almost released, so you could also run buster (and then stay stable with it).
• 745[07:45:20] <somiaj> If you found that it was easy to break things, you may awnt to read the following wiki
• 746[07:45:23] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 747[07:45:23] <dpkg> i heard dont break debian is replaced-url
• 748[07:45:40] <somiaj> in general if you follow some basic rules, debian is stable and wont' break.
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• 750[07:47:38] <Slumlord_> ok
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• 753[07:50:53] <caball> Hello all, I'm unable to mount samba share during the boot. There is no problem to mount it via 'mount -a' command after server boot.
• 754[07:51:16] <caball> Dependency failed for Remote File Systems.
• 755[07:51:16] <caball> remote-fs.target: Job remote-fs.target/start failed with result 'dependency'
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• 757[07:52:05] <caball> all google hins point to use x-systemd-automount but I would like to use the old method
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• 784[08:21:13] <tdn> Is there a quick way to test if my debian system is vulnerable to TCP SACK PANIC?
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• 788[08:27:50] <caball> @tdn - until patch created you can turn /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack value from 1 to 0 to prevent attack
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• 803[08:36:59] <zophyx> righteous
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• 805[08:38:48] <GNU\colossus> is there a clever way to make apt-get (or any other dpkg frontend) run the equivalent of a "dist-upgrade" if only a subset of a specified list of packages were to be upgraded?
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• 809[08:40:05] <GNU\colossus> example: I only want "linux-image-3.16.0-9-amd64" and "linux-libc-dev" to be upgraded if they are installed - if a system present these two packages and any other package(s) in addition to that - bail out. if a system presents one or both of these packages eclusively, proceed with the dist-upgrade
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• 811[08:40:53] <GNU\colossus> (I realize I could write my own scripting logic to enforce that, but I was wondering if there's something that already implements that kind of logic
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• 815[08:44:48] <towo^work> from what apt should know, what you want to upgrade and what not?
• 816[08:45:08] <GNU\colossus> by a list of packages that I explicitely provide, that I am OK with to upgrade
• 817[08:45:35] <tdn> caball, I have done that. However, I want to verify that it indeed works.
• 818[08:45:53] <towo^work> if you have a list, why not use apt install $(<yourlist)?
• 819[08:45:54] <tdn> caball, I have a VM that I can tolerate to crash if it does not work.
• 820[08:46:12] <GNU\colossus> towo^work, because that would try to install these packages even if they're not already installed
• 821[08:46:25] <GNU\colossus> (and fail if they're not available at all)
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• 823[08:46:34] <tdn> GNU\colossus, then merge the list with "dpkg -l"
• 824[08:46:45] <tdn> GNU\colossus, you can do this using some perl foo
• 825[08:46:58] <tdn> Or maybe just grep and awk
• 826[08:47:07] <GNU\colossus> so iow, there's nothing pre-existing (and apt-get/aptitude/younameit) feature that provides that? ;)
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• 828[08:47:31] <tdn> GNU\colossus, I have no idea. I have not had that use case.
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• 831[08:49:03] <tdn> caball, I guess I would need to send this packet and see if my server handles it correctly. Any easy way to generate this using tools? Or do I have to write up a C program that does it manually?
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• 833[08:50:07] <GNU\colossus> hmm, seems like `apt-get install --only-upgrade` could be what I am looking for
• 834[08:50:41] <caball> tdn - no idea :) I guess they will not spread code to test this - only way to prevent.
• 835[08:51:06] <caball> So you are on your own :) Need to write some code
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• 856[09:07:25] <shtrb> Anyone who uses Kontact and had migrated to Buster around ?
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• 935[09:47:02] <kreyren> what is the grub target for CSM system that is not expected to use UEFI
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• 958[09:58:33] <Slumlord_> hello
• 959[09:59:08] <r1nt3c> hello
• 960[09:59:09] <Slumlord_> i am running debian 9.9 testing and xfce when i minimize a window it disappears and i have to press alt tab
• 961[09:59:26] <Slumlord_> to bring it back up
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• 964[10:00:01] <Slumlord_> it's because there is no taskbar
• 965[10:00:11] <Slumlord_> so i guess i need to create a taskbar
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• 1011[10:42:22] <kreyren> which package has grub-mkconfig on debian?
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• 1014[10:43:15] <Habbie> kreyren, grub-common, at least on buster
• 1015[10:43:25] <kreyren> Habbie, buster is used, thanks
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• 1038[10:54:57] <kreyren> sanity: Is debian buster able to boot on non-efi GRUB on system that is using CSM compatibility on UEFI hardware
• 1039[10:55:01] <kreyren> ?
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• 1042[10:56:33] <shtrb> yes I have it
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• 1045[10:56:50] <shtrb> kreyren, ^
• 1046[10:57:11] <kreyren> shtrb, thanks
• 1047[10:57:27] <shtrb> as long you have installed grub-pc (*)
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• 1050[10:58:01] <kreyren> grub-efi-amd64-* is installed only, installing grub-pc
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• 1052[10:59:08] <kreyren> should i remove grub for efi?
• 1053[10:59:10] <shtrb> That will break your system if it will be in EFI mode
• 1054[10:59:11] <shtrb> wait
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• 1057[10:59:45] <kreyren> it's currently in EFI mode
• 1058[10:59:55] <kreyren> converting it to non-efi for bedrock and exherbo compatibility
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• 1060[11:00:22] <shtrb> Please get a recovery DOK just in case
• 1061[11:00:40] <kreyren> systemrecoverycd using drivedroid is prepared
• 1062[11:00:47] <shtrb> because grub-pc will remove efi
• 1063[11:00:54] <shtrb> *grub-efi
• 1064[11:01:15] <kreyren> it didn't remove it replaced-url
• 1065[11:01:41] <kreyren> `Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration` has been reported after grub-pc installation
• 1066[11:02:14] <kreyren> output: replaced-url
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• 1075[11:04:03] <kts> Debian Stable Chromium doesn't play some Facebook videos. Do I need to install additional packages?
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• 1079[11:05:05] <kreyren> removed grub-efi* and reinstalled grub-pc which results in replaced-url
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• 1081[11:06:50] <kreyren> it seems to create a menuentry with `fwsetup` only
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• 1120[11:35:25] <tachikomas> Can someone tell me if the net.ipv4.tcp_tw_recycle parameter is depreciated in buster ? What was the purpose of it ?
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• 1124[11:37:52] <Habbie> it certainly is absent on my buster
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• 1127[11:39:47] <colo-work> that tunable basically said, "let's ruin connection-tracking for everyone using NAT gateways", at the benefit of slightly improved socket performance
• 1128[11:39:48] <colo-work> (iirc)
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• 1130[11:40:12] <ksk> tachikomas: for things like that Id recommend the "docs" at kernel.org
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• 1144[11:45:41] <tachikomas> ksk thanks, just found it.
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• 1187[12:23:23] <fornax> I have an openhabian system (raspbian derivate based on debian) and a problem with upgrading the system. I messed up my package database in some way so that I get the following messages replaced-url
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• 1191[12:24:49] <ksk> !based on debian
• 1192[12:24:50] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1195[12:25:35] <ksk> fornax: as that is an error related to a very low level debian tool (debconf) we cannot really help - as you are not using debian, but something else - which might have changed things.
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• 1197[12:26:42] <ksk> fornax: as the error states, its by some python script, which throws a ValueError: this indicates a more serious problem..
• 1198[12:27:22] <ksk> (like python version not the one needed for this script maybe, script to old, script to new - only your distro can know that kind of things - try to contact your distributions support)
• 1199[12:27:24] <fornax> Hm, okay, I think the problem occured when my ssh connection has been killed during an upgrade
• 1200[12:27:47] <jelly> fornax: run upgrade inside screen or tmux next time.
• 1201[12:28:29] <fornax> Yes, I normally do, since this was in my local network which is normally stable, I forgot it
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• 1206[12:30:08] <fornax> So probably one could start one step before. When I do a simple apt upgrade I get the following messages replaced-url
• 1207[12:31:02] <ksk> that depends on if "your distro is broken" or rather only your installation. Again, as you are not using debian, we do not know..
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• 1210[12:32:57] <fornax> I do not think that the distro is broken, it looks like I myself messed up with the versions of the packages
• 1211[12:33:15] <fornax> I need to install all packages with the right version again
• 1212[12:33:47] <fornax> Before I did this some times in gentoo, but have no clue how to do this in debian
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• 1214[12:34:14] <Soo_Slow> is there a good paint.net alternative for linux? gimp is weird af and I need something for pixel art :v
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• 1217[12:36:31] <colo-work> try mtpaint
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• 1220[12:39:06] <humpled> :v i thought pixel art was when you designed game elements with bitmaps
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• 1225[12:40:57] <hans_> why can i write gigabytes into a partition mounted as mount -t ramfs -o size=1000 ramfs ramdisk
• 1226[12:40:57] <hans_> ?
• 1227[12:41:20] <hans_> it should have stopped on 1000 bytes, but dd is able to write well over 3GB (before i stopped it manually)
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• 1229[12:41:56] <hans_> looks like the size argument is completely ignored
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• 1231[12:43:36] <oiaohm> hans_: replaced-url
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• 1237[12:49:33] <hans_> how can i get the current username in a script? is $(whoami) reliable?
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• 1239[12:50:07] <hans_> bash script*
• 1240[12:50:11] <tlund> hans_: what script? bash? ash?
• 1241[12:50:17] <hans_> tlund, bash
• 1242[12:50:30] <tlund> bash sets $USER
• 1243[12:50:40] <tlund> is it "reliable"? well, if nothing has changed it? :)
• 1244[12:50:45] <Habbie> but, somebody could have changed it
• 1245[12:50:47] <Habbie> that
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• 1247[12:51:01] <hans_> looks good enough
• 1248[12:51:25] <tlund> but whoami looks for your UID in /etc/passwd, but that is more costly, as it executes another ELF-binary
• 1249[12:51:44] <hans_> what about id -un
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• 1251[12:52:02] <tlund> "same" as whoami
• 1252[12:52:04] <hans_> .. or is that the other elf binary it executes?
• 1253[12:52:18] <tlund> yes.
• 1254[12:52:32] <tlund> $ which id ; which whoami
• 1255[12:52:32] <tlund> /usr/bin/id
• 1256[12:52:33] <tlund> /usr/bin/whoami
• 1257[12:53:23] <avu> well, "costly". If executing this binary compiled vom 90 lines of C code ever becomes your performance bottleneck I'll eat my shoe :)
• 1258[12:53:53] <tlund> avu: compared to using a variable? I would say it costs more than 10000 times as much. :)
• 1259[12:54:14] <avu> relative cost doesn't matter much if the absolute cost is still negligable
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• 1263[12:55:00] <hans_> > sudo chown -Rv $(id -un):$(id -gn) ramdisk
• 1264[12:55:12] <hans_> think that'll work?
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• 1266[12:56:55] <ksk> you should not rely on $USER btw, whoami/id sounds fine though.
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• 1268[12:57:30] <ksk> getent can also be used, depending on stuff..
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• 1273[13:01:29] <Soo_Slow> colo-work, its even more weird than gimp :D
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• 1275[13:01:31] <Soo_Slow> buy ty
• 1276[13:01:34] <Soo_Slow> *but
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• 1280[13:03:28] <humpled> scratch has a pixel art editor, in linux tuxpaint is fun but i don't think it's what you want
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• 1329[13:28:25] <queip> any program to record my terminal into a movie file steam? (that I would live stream)
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• 1336[13:32:26] <dgp> queip: apt-cache search screen record ..
• 1337[13:33:13] <humpled> script and fifo used to be used for this
• 1338[13:35:15] <petn-randall> queip: obs studio works for me.
• 1339[13:35:25] <petn-randall> obs-studio is the package name.
• 1340[13:35:26] <queip> petn-randall: is it in repo?
• 1341[13:36:03] <queip> OH
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• 1343[13:37:10] <queip> package name if confusing, aptitude search broadcast doesn't find it, since "obs-studio - recorder and streamer for live video content "
• 1344[13:37:32] <queip> what a terrible name :P open broadcas studio studio, and doesn't say the full name of OBS in description :<
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• 1347[13:38:42] <queip> can OBS perhaps record a particular console terminal? to avoid recording anythin that might pop up over the console like some ODS popups etc, just get the console text/color and genereate image of it
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• 1351[13:42:45] <queip> petn-randall: do I need to create some server, like a replaced-url
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• 1358[13:48:54] <gggggg> hi debian's :)
• 1359[13:49:30] <gggggg> is anyone running debian as its home PC?
• 1360[13:49:41] <EdePopede> most people here i bet
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• 1362[13:50:13] <EdePopede> queip: for the streaming? i think vlc should work, though i never did it.
• 1363[13:50:26] <gggggg> i thought dedian is more run as server ... you need to be a real geek to have it at home desktop
• 1364[13:50:37] <EdePopede> oh, obs-studio is also a streamer. should work on its own then
• 1365[13:51:14] <EdePopede> gggggg: nope. stay with stable and get a chicken and some grains for the install process.
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• 1367[13:51:49] <queip> EdePopede: how can someone connect to my OBS instance then?
• 1368[13:51:59] <EdePopede> the thing with server is that reliability and stability is far more important than bleeding edge
• 1369[13:52:36] <humpled> a chicken and some grains?
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• 1371[13:53:28] <EdePopede> queip: if they say that it's also for streaming than it might include it's own server. don't get irritated by apache etc. even a python oneliner can fire up a httpd, lots of static content servers are one simple .c file. even nc can be used for it.
• 1372[13:54:00] <EdePopede> humpled: place the grains on the enter key and let the chicken do the job ;)
• 1373[13:54:03] <humpled> for streaming video?
• 1374[13:54:09] <avu> queip: no, OBS streams to some server which the clients connect to, like twitch or youtube or an nginx with rtmp module
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• 1388[14:08:57] <queip> does debian contain a solution to setup a streaming serve that uses webRTC? I read webRTC is more open or something(?)
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• 1416[14:27:39] <touki> Hi there, I just installed a full boot on a MacBook Air (2013, I reckon). I have a problem with the suspend function (whether I just close the lid or explicitly puts it to sleep), it seems to cycle back and forth between sleeping and awaking and generates quite a lof heat.
• 1417[14:27:43] <touki> Any iea?
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• 1448[14:44:07] <metbsd> there is new kernel available
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• 1450[14:44:29] <colo-work> that depends on when your "old" kernel is from ;)
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• 1501[15:20:14] <Brunte> I get permission denied when adding my release party, is there anything I need to do? replaced-url
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• 1505[15:22:11] <ksk> Brunte: do you have an account for the wiki?
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• 1507[15:22:55] <ksk> if not, create one. If you already have one, I would maybe try contacting the wiki team: replaced-url
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• 1509[15:23:08] <Brunte> ksk: Oh I need one maybe..
• 1510[15:23:16] <somiaj> You can't create one automatically though due to spammers and have to send an email and wait.
• 1511[15:23:27] <ksk> might be registration is closed right now, so contact staff ;)
• 1512[15:23:40] <somiaj> (at least the last few times I tried, I always get an error about automatic creation failed)
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• 1514[15:25:05] <Brunte> "This user name already belongs to somebody else." Well maybe I will just try logging in
• 1515[15:25:08] <Brunte> :)
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• 1554[15:42:50] <queip> well, it failed
• 1555[15:43:01] <queip> OBS + nging server = over 1 minute lag in "live" streaming
• 1556[15:43:04] <queip> nginx
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• 1568[15:54:24] <deepy> isn't the delay usually configurable?
• 1569[15:54:50] <colo-work> what are we(you) talking about?
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• 1578[15:58:37] <ksk> queip: your client will cache the video, resulting in a lag. 1 minute seems to be quite much though.
• 1579[16:00:14] <ksk> vlc for example has a switch to adjust that.
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• 1585[16:03:11] <tijko> looking for the build options that were compiled in for a particular package
• 1586[16:03:57] <ksk> !tell tijko about deb-src
• 1587[16:04:14] <somiaj> tijko: you have to look at the source package, you can either add a deb-src line and apt source packagename, or browse the source online from tracker.debian.org/packagename
• 1588[16:04:24] <ksk> tijko: some binaries also have a "-v" switch or so, which shows compile-time options (nginx, for example)
• 1589[16:04:47] <tijko> i was doing the latter but couldn't find it
• 1590[16:05:01] <tijko> but thanks this should be very helpful
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• 1593[16:05:58] <somiaj> tijko: what package name, goto tracker.debian.org/packagename, in the right there is a 'browse source code' link. Note this brings you to the current source code in sid, you have to click around to look at the stretch source code if that is what youa re intrested in.
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• 1599[16:13:13] <queip> overall OBS works horribly for me
• 1600[16:13:41] <queip> usually doesn't show the video (when playing back in vlc also on debian stable), or at least 10 sec lag
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• 1605[16:15:18] <tijko> somiaj i will give this a go
• 1606[16:16:16] <tijko> somiaj ive been on that page but its not clear where the build options are listed
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• 1622[16:26:05] <ksk> tijko: example-link?
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• 1625[16:26:27] <tijko> ksk replaced-url
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• 1628[16:26:41] <tijko> ksk i'm essentially looking for the debian equivalent
• 1629[16:26:46] <ksk> tijko: ehm?
• 1630[16:27:04] <tijko> ksk would there be a .deb archive with the options there i suppose?
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• 1635[16:27:46] <ksk> tijko: what are your problems following somiaj his advice? you seem to not have used the link he provided yet?
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• 1637[16:28:25] <tijko> ksk i've visited somiaj link even before he posted
• 1638[16:28:37] <ksk> before you can find build-options, you surely must find the package on the tracker. Did you manage to do that? If not, what is the problem?
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• 1640[16:29:06] <ksk> using == visiting + putting in information + pressing enter-key in that case..
• 1641[16:29:23] <tijko> ksk finding the package wasn't the issue
• 1642[16:29:34] <tijko> ksk i don't mean to be rude but is english your first language?
• 1643[16:29:59] <ksk> so why not give that link to me, so I can see if I can help you finding the information?
• 1644[16:30:08] <ksk> no, english is not my native language.
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• 1651[16:30:49] <tijko> ksk right, in the link i posted, the build options for "Xen" are in a PKGBUILD file
• 1652[16:31:18] <tijko> ksk i'm assuming the equivalent would be a .deb package with all the build options there
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• 1655[16:31:37] <ksk> I am talking about the tracker.do link for the package you want to check. nobody in here cares about arch :>
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• 1658[16:32:03] <tijko> ksk yes i can see, or least you don't ;)
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• 1660[16:33:07] <tijko> ksk i found the .deb file thx!
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• 1684[16:48:27] <_Shurik_> Morning
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• 1688[16:49:29] <_Shurik_> Guys - weird issue. When I ping any invalid hostname from Raspbian (ping asdfasdfasdf), it always resolves to some IP on akamai. What gives?
• 1689[16:49:44] <greycat> !raspbian
• 1690[16:49:44] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 1691[16:49:53] <Greyztar-> hello, is it possibel to match multiple sets in iptables with one rule? With ipset say i got two sets i want to match for source,currently trying -m --match-set myset1 src -m --match-set myset2 src which loads into iptables ok but then none of the set seems to be active though
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• 1695[16:50:38] <_Shurik_> greycat: oh, sorry. I asked in #raspbian but it seems dead right now
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• 1703[16:52:21] <Habbie> _Shurik_, you pointed your search domain (see resolv.conf) at a domain that has a wildcard
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• 1705[16:52:37] <Habbie> _Shurik_, and #raspberrypi is a more lively place than #raspbian
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• 1708[16:53:02] <petn-randall> Greyztar-: It will only match if you source is in both sets, as you rule says it requires both to be true.
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• 1710[16:53:19] <Greyztar-> petn-randall: ahh i thought so,many thanks!
• 1711[16:53:30] <petn-randall> *ypir
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• 1713[16:53:32] <petn-randall> *your
• 1714[16:54:05] <petn-randall> Greyztar-: You'll need to rules if you want to match anything either in set1 OR in set2.
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• 1716[16:54:53] <Greyztar-> petn-randall: yeah thats what i ended up with just thought i could do with one line in iptables for both sets,also do you know is it enough to flush states of iptables doing ifdown ifup?
• 1717[16:55:02] <_Shurik_> Habbie: Ok, I think I understand. Perhaps my router is doing something weird then
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• 1724[16:57:48] <petn-randall> Greyztar-: iptables rules are completely untouched by interfaces going up or down.
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• 1735[17:00:20] <Greyztar-> petn-randall: ok thanks good to sort out that error with the sets
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• 1754[17:05:41] <somiaj> tijko: build information for debian packages are in the debian/ directory in the source package. You can look at debian/rules for most things.
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• 1756[17:06:08] <somiaj> note you need the source package, the .deb won't contain that info (unless certain changes/options were documented in the changelog.Debian
• 1757[17:06:12] <tijko> somiaj again thank you i will check this out
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• 1760[17:06:25] <tijko> somiaj i found that out the hardway
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• 1763[17:07:13] <f8e3> is upgrading from deb9 to deb10 that easy? how to upgrade from debian9 stretch to debian10 buster
• 1764[17:07:22] <f8e3> replaced-url
• 1765[17:07:39] <somiaj> f8e3: read the release notes for buster first (it isn't released just yet, but very close, so these are mostly ready)
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• 1768[17:08:00] <somiaj> this will tell you some best practices. In theory (provided you don't use third party sources and have a clean system) the upgrade is fairly smooth. But always backup first.
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• 1770[17:08:26] <somiaj> But experience may vary a lot depending on actual software installed, any third party packges, and so on.
• 1771[17:08:31] <f8e3> aye will read it
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• 1974[18:48:42] <CrazyBi7> Hi guys, I need a help. I've a Panel PC (a touch-screen monitor with a computer inside), it has a Intel Atom d2550, 2 GB of RAM and 32 GB of SSD. It had Windows 7, now I installed Linux Debian 9.9.0, architeture AMD64. Now, when it try to start the SO, it crash. If i remove QUIET and i instert NOMODESET, I can see these last frame replaced-url
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• 1982[18:51:25] <zumba_addict> hey, I don't have `/usr/lib/sysusers.d` on Debian 9
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• 1984[18:52:12] <Tom-_> how to turn off screen blanking in X? i've tried xset s noblank
• 1985[18:52:14] <zumba_addict> not sure why
• 1986[18:52:32] <annadane> there you go jhutchins, complain about it being quiet, get 3 questions in a row
• 1987[18:53:02] <Tom-_> CrazyBi7, I don't know what "start the SO" means
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• 1989[18:53:30] <Tom-_> CrazyBi7, I don't know what's going on in that screenshot, but if you say that's the final screen, then it's failing to start in some way
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• 1993[18:54:36] <greycat> Some people (Europeans, maybe?) say SO instead of OS.
• 1994[18:54:59] <CrazyBi7> Tom-_: Sorry, but I'm italian, so I don't speak very well English. Yeah, Linux fails to start. Without NOMODESET, i see a cursor blinking in the corner of the screen, then the monitor turns off
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• 2003[18:58:23] <petn-randall> CrazyBi7: I can see severe ghosting on those screenshots. Did this also happen on Windows? It makes it hard to read what's happening.
• 2004[18:58:28] <Tom-_> CrazyBi7, you can try starting in rescue mode and see if you can get further
• 2005[18:58:42] <Tom-_> okay thanks greycat
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• 2008[18:59:37] <CrazyBi7> petn-randall: no, it doesn't happen on Windows
• 2009[19:00:44] <petn-randall> CrazyBi7: I'd check the internet if someone has already successfully installed Linux on it. They usually provide the changes to make it boot successfully.
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• 2015[19:03:16] <zumba_ad_> oops got disconnected
• 2016[19:03:45] <zumba_ad_> so sysusers.d is a non standard directory?
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• 2020[19:04:54] <CrazyBi7> Tom-_, the rescue mode doesn't help, the problem happens again
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• 2023[19:05:06] <Tom-_> so you can't even get into rescue mode?
• 2024[19:05:07] <Primer> CrazyBi7: alt f2, ensure the machine is still alive
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• 2026[19:05:28] <petn-randall> zumba_ad_: `apt-file search /usr/lib/sysusers.d/'
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• 2028[19:05:31] <Tom-_> zumba_ad_, I don't have it
• 2029[19:05:35] <CrazyBi7> Tom-_: no
• 2030[19:05:51] <zumba_ad_> looks like it's an Ubuntu thing then
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• 2032[19:06:08] <zumba_ad_> i don't have apt-file binary
• 2033[19:06:09] <CrazyBi7> Primer, when did I press alt f2? on the booting of GRUB or on the booting of LINUX?
• 2034[19:06:25] <Primer> zumba_ad_: apt install apt-file; apt-file update <-- your best friend
• 2035[19:06:32] <zumba_ad_> cool
• 2036[19:06:43] <petn-randall> zumba_ad_: It's not an Ubuntu thing, and you can simply install apt-file.
• 2037[19:07:08] <Primer> CrazyBi7: once "booted", try alt f2 to switch to another console.
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• 2039[19:07:37] <zumba_ad_> petn-randall: i meant the sysusers.d directory is not debian
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• 2041[19:07:59] <petn-randall> zumba_ad_: Right. That's also not an Ubuntu thing.
• 2042[19:08:07] <zumba_ad_> oh
• 2043[19:08:12] <Primer> also, if X was installed and it's being started, you might want to make it NOT do that. The only way I know how at boot is to pass something like "init=1" to the boot command in grub
• 2044[19:08:13] <petn-randall> (which `apt-file search /usr/lib/sysusers.d/' shows you)
• 2045[19:08:15] <zumba_ad_> then something spinnaker team is doing wrong
• 2046[19:08:19] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: sysusers.d is handled by systemd-sysusers
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• 2048[19:08:28] <zumba_ad_> got it
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• 2050[19:08:51] <stressedoutcat> i.e. rather "standard", depending on how you look at it
• 2051[19:09:11] <Primer> CrazyBi7: Some times X will "start", but the video mode is corrupted, leaving a dead console, but the machine is actually up and running. If this is networked, you could add ssh to get into it
• 2052[19:09:24] <Primer> So you can fix it without having to reboot
• 2053[19:09:24] <zumba_ad_> i ran `apt-file search /usr/lib/sysusers.d` and saw 4 lines
• 2054[19:09:39] <Primer> Those are the pacakges that provide that path
• 2055[19:09:40] <zumba_ad_> systemd: /usr/lib/sysusers.d/basic.conf ... and tomncat9
• 2056[19:09:52] <zumba_ad_> got it
• 2057[19:10:14] <zumba_ad_> it's weird i have systemd package installed but i don't have that dir
• 2058[19:10:26] <zumba_ad_> output of dpkg `ii systemd 232-25+deb9u11 amd64 system and service manager`
• 2059[19:10:28] <Tom-_> i think `xset s off` might work
• 2060[19:11:11] <CrazyBi7> Primer, ok, Alt f2 doesn't work, now I'll try to connect via SSH
• 2061[19:11:25] <zumba_ad_> it says that `/usr/lib/sysusers.d/systemd.conf` is provided by systemd. I have it installed but don't have that dir
• 2062[19:11:38] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: check /lib/sysusers.d, also - debian has for some reason chosen to put some stuff into /lib instead of /usr/lib
• 2063[19:11:46] <zumba_ad_> i ran find / earlier, nothing
• 2064[19:12:02] <zumba_ad_> i'll do it again
• 2065[19:12:14] <zumba_ad_> not in /lib
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• 2069[19:12:48] <Primer> CrazyBi7: So, is X installed? I suggest you prevent it from starting
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• 2074[19:13:30] <Primer> It sounds as if X is starting, hosing your keyboard (it opens it in raw mode, making it useless in the console if it didn't reset it back upon exit)
• 2075[19:13:58] <zumba_ad_> I'll check my Debian 8
• 2076[19:14:06] <Primer> CrazyBi7: Does the screen blink several times upon boot, then stopping and leaving it with what we saw in the screen shots?
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• 2078[19:14:45] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: what does `dpkg -S /usr/lib/sysusers.d` give?
• 2079[19:14:52] <jhutchins_wk> Primer: With systemd you specify multiuser.target - although I think it will understand init=1 or init=/bin/bash
• 2080[19:15:03] <zumba_ad_> one sec
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• 2082[19:15:22] <zumba_ad_> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/sysusers.d
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• 2084[19:15:51] <jhutchins_wk> zumba_ad_: That's a path, not a file, so I guess it doesn't search.
• 2085[19:15:51] <stressedoutcat> hmm... maybe the path has to exist
• 2086[19:16:03] <zumba_ad_> I removed the dir and I got `systemd: /usr/share/man/man5/sysusers.d.5.gz`
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• 2089[19:16:24] <jhutchins_wk> locate sysusers.d
• 2090[19:16:24] <jhutchins_wk> /usr/share/man/man5/sysusers.d.5.gz
• 2091[19:16:37] <CrazyBi7> Primer, mp. tje screen doesn't blink several times upon boot
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• 2093[19:16:43] <zumba_ad_> i guess the question is, is this directory manually created. If yes, I'll update the spinnaker team
• 2094[19:17:05] <CrazyBi7> Primer, no the screen doesn't blink several times upon boot
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• 2096[19:17:12] <petn-randall> The directory is created when you install a package that contains files in that path.
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• 2098[19:17:17] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: what is that "spinnaker team" you keep mentioning?
• 2099[19:17:23] <petn-randall> (as with pretty much any other config directory)
• 2100[19:17:29] <jhutchins_wk> zumba_ad_: I would guess that it's created when a package wants to drop a file in it. If spinnaker is trying to put a file there without the directory being created, that's a packaging problem.
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• 2102[19:17:36] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: the directory (and files inside) should be provided by the systemd package (and others, too)
• 2103[19:17:41] <zumba_ad_> it's an opensouce deployment tool. I'm following their howtos
• 2104[19:18:11] <jhutchins_wk> stressedoutcat: If the directory isn't needed by the systemd package we would expect it to not be created.
• 2105[19:18:26] <zumba_ad_> though manpage of sysusers gave me an impression that it is created when systemd is installed
• 2106[19:18:50] <zumba_ad_> replaced-url
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• 2109[19:18:56] <zumba_ad_> under Synopsis
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• 2113[19:19:19] <zumba_ad_> even in Description, it mentions it
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• 2117[19:19:42] <stressedoutcat> jhutchins_wk: it's not much a matter of if it's needed/created - it's just the package that contains/installs/provides that directory
• 2118[19:19:48] <stressedoutcat> (and the basic.conf file inside)
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• 2120[19:19:56] <dob1> hi , I don't undertand this error cp: failed to access '.': Permission denied, I am doing a cp sometpath .
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• 2124[19:20:17] <dob1> I can do touch test in the directory where I am doing the cp command
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• 2126[19:21:11] <CrazyBi7> Primer, How can I see if X is installed?
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• 2128[19:21:15] <dob1> ah no, I can't do sudo touch
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• 2130[19:21:24] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Try the actual path instead of .
• 2131[19:21:45] <Primer> CrazyBi7: boot, hit e at grub, add init=1
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• 2133[19:22:06] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, I found the error, the problem is that I am doing "sudo cp" and not cp
• 2134[19:22:18] <CrazyBi7> Primer, without set?
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• 2136[19:22:47] <stressedoutcat> dob1: how come you can perform operations without sudo, but not with...?
• 2137[19:23:11] <stressedoutcat> what permissions/ownership has that directory got?
• 2138[19:23:50] <zumba_ad_> i was hoping to see systemd-sysusers package but there's none. lol
• 2139[19:23:55] <dob1> stressedoutcat, I think it's this: the directory where I am trying to copy the file is an encfs mount, so only the user that mount it can access to it, if I am not wrong. And neither using sudo I can do the cp. I have to use the option like "allow-others" (I don't remember)
• 2140[19:24:08] <zumba_ad_> so what;s the verdict? installer script should create it?
• 2141[19:24:26] <Primer> CrazyBi7: boot, at grub menu hit e, find the kernel command line, add init=1 to that line, hit control x
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• 2143[19:24:50] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: the systemd package should contain it, i.e. the package manager should create that directory and contents when it installs the systemd package
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• 2146[19:25:13] <zumba_ad_> stressedoutcat: that's what i thought too but I don't see it
• 2147[19:25:28] <zumba_ad_> another person in the channel didn't see it as well
• 2148[19:26:26] <zumba_ad_> is this right, dpkg -l |grep systemd
• 2149[19:27:41] <dsag> how to install java 8
• 2150[19:27:43] <zumba_ad_> replaced-url
• 2151[19:27:44] <dsag> i use debian 9
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• 2153[19:28:29] <zumba_ad_> here dsag - replaced-url
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• 2155[19:28:39] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: either the systemd package was unpacked incorrectly, or the directory was accidentally removed at some point, or you've got a different/modified version of systemd than what's provided in the repos (although, the versions seem to match, at least)
• 2156[19:28:52] <zumba_ad_> got it
• 2157[19:28:55] <dsag> zumba_ad_: well i hae been trying to install it in docker
• 2158[19:28:58] <dsag> and i have been getting error
• 2159[19:29:03] <dsag> zumba_ad_: i have already googled a lot
• 2160[19:29:11] <zumba_ad_> google harder, hahaha
• 2161[19:29:14] <zumba_ad_> :D
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• 2163[19:29:42] <dsag> if you cannot help, it would be great if you stop replying
• 2164[19:29:47] <dsag> that helps everyone
• 2165[19:29:58] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: I haven't got a stable under my nose, but it's there in current testing, and according to replaced-url
• 2166[19:30:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1534
• 2167[19:30:25] <zumba_ad_> ok, I'll check it out. I checked my v8, it wasn't there.
• 2168[19:30:28] <stressedoutcat> and it's pretty crucial because without it you wouldn't have the basic system users (root, nobody, and others)
• 2169[19:31:15] <zumba_ad_> it's working though. I've been using this for almost 8 months now
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• 2171[19:31:50] <zumba_ad_> but I needed that directory to make InstallHalyard script working. I didn't want to create it manually to get it working. I wanted to figure out the real culprit
• 2172[19:32:41] <stressedoutcat> I haven't got any further ideas for how to determine that - my conclusion is just that something is wrong :-/
• 2173[19:32:54] <zumba_ad_> I'm going to tar up /lib/systemd/system then I'll reinstall systemd package
• 2174[19:32:55] <stressedoutcat> dsag: search for openjdk-8 with your package manager
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• 2177[19:34:26] <greycat> !package-copyright
• 2178[19:34:26] <dpkg> All packages have copyright and licensing information in the file /usr/share/doc/$package/copyright. The copyright files are also available at via replaced-url
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• 2180[19:34:46] <greycat> "The file must include where the source code came from" ... is that still true? If so, why doesn't ksh/copyright say that?
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• 2182[19:35:50] <zumba_ad_> wow, it's going to remove tons of packages
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• 2187[19:37:08] <somiaj> zumba_ad_: how are you reinstalling, why not use the --reinstall flag, this way it won't remove anything.
• 2188[19:37:12] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2189[19:37:18] <zumba_ad_> ah, didn't know that. Thanks
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• 2191[19:37:40] <zumba_ad_> thanks somiaj
• 2192[19:38:07] <Tom-_> okay `xset s off` isn't preventing screen blanking either. Xscreensaver is not running
• 2193[19:38:20] <Tom-_> should I try setterm or something to disable screen blanking on X?
• 2194[19:38:49] <greycat> Tom-_: I have this: xset s off; xset dpms 0 1800 0
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• 2198[19:40:18] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: ah, just for correctness' sake: the system users and groups are defined in /etc/{passwd,group,shadow,...} - sysusers.d merely generates those entries if they are missing
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• 2200[19:40:22] <zumba_ad_> it still didn't create sysusers.d
• 2201[19:40:35] <zumba_ad_> ah
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• 2203[19:40:47] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: so even if the sysusers.d file got deleted at some point, those users shouldn't just disappear
• 2204[19:41:00] <zumba_ad_> cool, it's clearer now
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• 2206[19:41:14] <zumba_ad_> thank you
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• 2211[19:44:26] <zumba_ad_> I'm going to make pr and mention not to rely on /usr/lib/sysusers.d. Install script worked after I created the dir manually
• 2212[19:45:07] <Tom-_> greycat, thank you i'll try that
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• 2214[19:45:42] <stressedoutcat> zumba_ad_: nah, it's reasonable to expect that directory to exist
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• 2216[19:46:02] <zumba_ad_> I'm going to download a new debian iso and retry
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• 2234[19:49:56] <zumba_ad_> i'm installing it now
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• 2237[19:51:19] <kreyren> will debian drop 32-bit? Ubuntu just dropped them..
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• 2239[19:51:43] <tijko> kreyren i believe arch as well
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• 2242[19:51:59] <tijko> 2 yrs ago
• 2243[19:52:06] <kreyren> i don't really fare for arch i need the libs
• 2244[19:52:33] <kreyren> and there are scenarios when i can't setup gentoo/exherbo
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• 2246[19:53:33] <tijko> are you just curious or do you have a need for it?
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• 2253[19:54:21] <kreyren> tijko, i do since wineapps depends on some 32-bit libs which breaks compatibility on 64-bit like league of legends
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• 2256[19:54:41] <tijko> sounds about right considering your earlier comment
• 2257[19:54:50] <jelly> kreyren: i386 will not be dropped soon
• 2258[19:54:51] <kreyren> eh?
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• 2261[19:57:49] <kreyren> jelly, nice
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• 2263[20:00:06] <Primer> Are there still not modern 32 bit processors? Atom comes to mind
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• 2266[20:00:47] <greycat> I think the current Atom CPUs are 64-bit capable, but wikipedia says not all Atom motherboards are.
• 2267[20:00:50] <Habbie> Primer, intel has shipped 64 bit atoms since 2012
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• 2272[20:02:09] <kreyren> greycat, i have atom ntb which is not 64-bit capable
• 2273[20:02:24] <kreyren> ah current
• 2274[20:02:24] <kreyren> mb
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• 2276[20:02:36] <dob1> in buster there will be wyland right?
• 2277[20:02:48] <Habbie> yes
• 2278[20:02:56] <Habbie> buster booted straight into wayland after install for me
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• 2280[20:02:57] <kreyren> wayland is in buster ootb or it was 30 mins ago
• 2281[20:03:06] <Habbie> ~two months ago for me
• 2282[20:03:09] <Primer> Habbie: I have an old atom here, that pre-dates that, which I know to be 32 bit only. Knowledge gap filled! Thanks!
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• 2284[20:03:13] <dob1> does this affect xrdp that use xorg to export desktop session via rdp?
• 2285[20:03:34] <greycat> wayland is the default in buster's GNOME
• 2286[20:03:59] <kreyren> in debian's environment too assuming there beeing some difference in that and gnome..
• 2287[20:04:10] <kreyren> *debian's default environment in installation
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• 2289[20:04:28] <greycat> If you ask for a Desktop Environment but do not CHOOSE one, the installer chooses GNOME for you.
• 2290[20:04:31] <Primer> hrmm, I'm on testing but I started from debootstrap, so I have xorg
• 2291[20:04:47] <greycat> Unless it's not the vanilla installer.
• 2292[20:04:56] <kreyren> greycat, ah didn't know that it works this way
• 2293[20:04:57] <Primer> Shouldn't tasksel have provided wayland? Maybe I'm on wayland and don't know it? :)
• 2294[20:05:16] <greycat> Primer: only if you chose GNOME, and I don't know what else is required for it
• 2295[20:05:20] <Primer> I presume the word wayland would be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if I were?
• 2296[20:05:28] <Primer> greycat: ahhh I chose KDE
• 2297[20:05:49] <greycat> If you run Wayland there probably isn't an Xorg.0.log file at all. Maybe? I've never used it.
• 2298[20:05:53] <kreyren> Primer, i usually invoke xrandr to verify what is running
• 2299[20:05:56] <Primer> I presume KDE does not preclue wayland?
• 2300[20:06:10] <kreyren> *what video manager is running
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• 2305[20:07:53] <Primer> dpkg -l | grep wayland <-- shows 12 packages with wayland, but none start with it. Looks to be all support libs.
• 2306[20:07:53] <dpkg> ii | grep wayland <-- shows 12 packages with wayland, but none start with it. Looks to be all support libs. 3.8-14 primer's private warez collection
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• 2309[20:08:28] <Habbie> Primer, there is no 'wayland' package
• 2310[20:08:31] <Primer> dpkg: good bot! Have a snack!
• 2311[20:08:31] <dpkg> aw, gee, Primer
• 2312[20:08:39] <greycat> Primer: I've got 5 libwayland* pkgs and I don't run any Desktop Environment. Just straight X with fvwm.
• 2313[20:08:53] <Primer> Pardon my ignorance
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• 2315[20:09:59] <Primer> Still don't quite 'get' the wayland thing. I first ran into a problem with it when using ubuntu 18 on this laptop booted via live usb. I tried to do a video call on slack, but it wouldn't work, and the issue was wayland
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• 2318[20:10:23] <Primer> But that was like, close to 2 years ago
• 2319[20:10:35] <greycat> I'm still waiting for anything that would convince me there's a reason to run Wayland.
• 2320[20:10:57] <greycat> Near as I can tell, the only reason is "it's a shiny new toy".
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• 2324[20:11:38] <Primer> Wasn't there some political thing behind it too though? Ubuntu was trying to take Linux in one direction, but Debian wasn't going there?
• 2325[20:11:56] <Primer> I _think_ it had to do with X in some way
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• 2327[20:12:35] <dob1> in practice systemd was adopted because gnome was dependent on it, wayland was adopted for a similar reason if I am not wrong. In practice is gnome so important in debian to make these choices ?
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• 2330[20:13:08] <Slumlord_> hello, is the reason why debian didn't install menubar taskbar was because i didn't set a root password in the install?
• 2331[20:13:17] <Slumlord_> i created my own panel
• 2332[20:13:17] <greycat> dob1: no, that's not why systemd was adopted.
• 2333[20:13:18] <Primer> Slumlord_: unlikely
• 2334[20:13:21] <greycat> !why systemd
• 2335[20:13:22] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
• 2336[20:13:35] <Slumlord_> started to really debian once again
• 2337[20:13:40] <Slumlord_> started to really like debian once again
• 2338[20:14:37] <Primer> greycat: the ONE thing I'll say that is still an "issue" to some was what I brought up yesterday: the need to reboot when system libraries get updated.
• 2339[20:14:43] <greycat> dob1: and as far as "choices" go, in buster, you can run GNOME under Wayland or under X. Wayland happens to be the default. But there's a widget somewhere on the gdm3 login screen to choose an X session instead.
• 2340[20:15:15] <greycat> Primer: you mean dbus?
• 2341[20:15:16] <dob1> greycat, but why gnome is so important, this was my point
• 2342[20:15:24] <Primer> greycat: yes
• 2343[20:15:27] <greycat> dob1: it's not. I don't use gnome. Lots of people here don't use gnome.
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• 2345[20:15:50] <Primer> dob1: this is a tired old argument, and that ship has sailed
• 2346[20:15:56] <Primer> Devuan, if you must
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• 2348[20:16:25] <dob1> greycat, how the default de is chosen ?
• 2349[20:16:29] <Primer> And mind you, I'm AGAINST systemd. I'm just tired of fighting the tide.
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• 2351[20:16:58] <greycat> dob1: you check a box on the installer, or you elect not to check any box and it chooses GNOME for you. Or you un-check the "Desktop Environment" box altogether, and you don't get any.
• 2352[20:16:59] <Primer> dob1: at install time. You choose
• 2353[20:17:38] <dob1> I mean before the release, who decide the default de ? there is a vote?
• 2354[20:18:00] <Primer> dob1: do what I did: install via debootstrap, get a REALLY minimal system, then ONLY install what you want going forward. The installer uses a program called 'tasksel', which will be available in the minmal install
• 2355[20:18:08] <greycat> I would imagine it's based partly on popcon results, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy, as being the default means it gets more users which means it gets more popcon votes.
• 2356[20:18:15] <Primer> dob1: yes, there is, and it's all public. Google it.
• 2357[20:18:23] <Habbie> greycat, i'm on Xorg now and my combination of low and high dpi screens is a pain - wayland did that well
• 2358[20:19:10] <greycat> dob1: for the record, you can install without a Desktop Environment from the regular installer as well. Just un-check that one box.
• 2359[20:19:25] <greycat> (Which is what I do.)
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• 2361[20:20:07] <humpled> oh
• 2362[20:20:16] <dob1> greycat, it's ok, but the default user will just go "next"
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• 2365[20:20:39] <greycat> dob1: if you're making some sort of political argument, we really don't want to hear it
• 2366[20:20:46] <humpled> i just installed xinit and openbox onto the live base, should i try wayland instead?
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• 2369[20:21:20] <dob1> greycat, I was just considering the choice pre-release, but no problem it ends here the discussion
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• 2374[20:23:10] <mimi89999> Hello
• 2375[20:23:13] <jhutchins_wk> You can, of course, install all of the DEs if you want.
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• 2377[20:23:54] <mimi89999> A month ago I reported a serious bug against LibreOffice: replaced-url
• 2378[20:24:06] <mimi89999> I still haven't got a reply.
• 2379[20:24:34] <Primer> it happens
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• 2383[20:25:06] <mimi89999> When can I expect the maintainer or somebody else to look at it?
• 2384[20:25:29] <mimi89999> What can I do to help fix this issue?
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• 2386[20:26:33] <greycat> judd bug 928953
• 2387[20:26:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2388[20:26:42] <jelly> mimi89999: but it's not actually Priority: serious
• 2389[20:26:58] <jelly> sorry, Severity: serious
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• 2392[20:28:09] <mimi89999> No. It is important.
• 2393[20:28:39] <jelly> mimi89999: that looks more like a window manager issue than a libreoffice issue. Try using a different Desktop Environment
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• 2395[20:28:53] <jelly> ie. not Gnome
• 2396[20:29:02] <Habbie> mimi89999, i don't know, but it is very much possible that people have seen your ticket, tried it, did not have the problem, and moved on
• 2397[20:29:17] <jelly> mimi89999: xfce or lxde or a simple wm
• 2398[20:29:41] <Habbie> it also looks like the kind of thing more people would notice
• 2399[20:29:54] <mimi89999> A friend confirmed this issue on Budgie and KDE.
• 2400[20:30:08] <jelly> what's Budgie?
• 2401[20:30:17] <Habbie> 'a popular desktop environment'
• 2402[20:30:24] <mimi89999> replaced-url
• 2403[20:30:55] <greycat> "popular"
• 2404[20:31:09] <mimi89999> Whatever.
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• 2406[20:31:31] <mimi89999> But it was reproduced on a different DE than GNOME.
• 2407[20:31:34] <jelly> mimi89999: which libreoffice package version is this?
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• 2410[20:32:27] <mimi89999> Both the one in stable and the one in Tesing.
• 2411[20:32:36] <Habbie> the ticket does not mention that
• 2412[20:32:42] <mimi89999> Tested on Debian stable and testing.
• 2413[20:32:50] <jelly> mimi89999: can you show the exact version number?
• 2414[20:33:03] <jelly> dpkg -l libreoffice libreoffice-calc | tail -n 2
• 2415[20:33:04] <dpkg> No packages found matching libreoffice libreoffice-calc | tail -n 2
• 2416[20:33:50] <mimi89999> michel@debian:~$ apt policy libreoffice-calc
• 2417[20:33:51] <mimi89999> libreoffice-calc:
• 2418[20:33:51] <mimi89999> Installé : 1:6.1.5-3
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• 2420[20:34:13] <jelly> ,v libreoffice-calc
• 2421[20:34:14] <judd> Package: libreoffice-calc on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u5; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.5-3; sid: 1:6.1.5-3; experimental: 1:6.3.0~beta1-2
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• 2423[20:34:19] <Habbie> ok
• 2424[20:34:21] <Habbie> it also reproduces here
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• 2426[20:34:36] <Habbie> but i've been using libreoffice quite a bit the last few weeks and i had not -noticed-
• 2427[20:34:41] <Habbie> so i personally also would not consider it serious
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• 2432[20:35:06] <mimi89999> Did you see the video?
• 2433[20:35:16] <Habbie> i saw the video
• 2434[20:35:18] <Habbie> then i tried here
• 2435[20:35:21] <Habbie> and the same happened
• 2436[20:35:25] <mimi89999> The fact that I had to kill it makes me consider this issue serious.
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• 2438[20:35:33] <Habbie> oh i could just click cancel
• 2439[20:35:37] <Habbie> i did not see the whole video, i admit
• 2440[20:35:39] <mimi89999> Loosing any unsaved work.
• 2441[20:35:46] <CrazyBi7> Primer, i create a connection via SSH, now? Sorry but i forget your words and I would do this whit a help
• 2442[20:35:52] <mimi89999> Look until the end.
• 2443[20:35:57] <Habbie> no, i'm fine, thank you
• 2444[20:36:09] <mimi89999> *watch
• 2445[20:36:19] <jelly> mimi89999: Insert -> Pivot Table on my stretch KDE does not result in such behaviour
• 2446[20:36:32] <mimi89999> Second 39
• 2447[20:36:33] <Habbie> i'm on buster xorg gnome
• 2448[20:36:59] <jelly> hm, xorg gnome not wayland gnome?
• 2449[20:37:08] <mimi89999> Wayland
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• 2451[20:37:13] <Habbie> jelly, for me, yes
• 2452[20:37:17] <Habbie> jelly, i was on wayland but i am not on wayland today
• 2453[20:37:43] * jelly can't reproduce
• 2454[20:37:44] <Primer> CrazyBi7: if the machine is dead, you will not be able to reach it over a network. If it's not, you will. I presume this concept is familiar to you? Accessing a machine over ssh?
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• 2457[20:38:16] <Primer> CrazyBi7: here's the thing. Unless you installed ssh server, it's not going to work, and if the machine has no network, it's not going to work. Trying to gauge your level of experience here.
• 2458[20:38:16] <CrazyBi7> yeah, i create a connection
• 2459[20:38:29] <jelly> but moving the modal window and hiding the one below seems very wm-specific
• 2460[20:38:41] <CrazyBi7> Primer, XSET is installed
• 2461[20:38:55] <Primer> CrazyBi7: yeah, not helpful
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• 2463[20:39:08] <mimi89999> I don't have this issue with any other app.
• 2464[20:39:18] <Primer> oops, sorry, didn't see what you wrote before. So please confirm, you have ssh'd into this machine?
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• 2467[20:40:19] <CrazyBi7> Primer, yeah, the ssh is installed into this machine and I'm connected with my computer. Now i'm in the Linux Terminal
• 2468[20:40:28] <mimi89999> Works in Firefox, gnome-terminal, Evolution, Rhythmbox.
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• 2470[20:40:45] <mimi89999> And many other less popular apps.
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• 2472[20:42:17] <Primer> CrazyBi7: excellent! So do you know ps? If I said "See if X is running", would you know what to look for?
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• 2474[20:42:48] <Primer> mimi89999: and is the problem present in xorg (not wayland)?
• 2475[20:43:07] <Habbie> Primer, it is present for me in xorg
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• 2477[20:43:42] <mimi89999> Can I test it without logging out?
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• 2480[20:44:29] <mimi89999> Is `mutter --nested` enough?
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• 2484[20:46:01] <Primer> I've been having a similar issue with dialogs in gtk. I run the app from the console and see if it's outputting stuff.
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• 2486[20:46:16] <Primer> mimi89999: so, terminal, libreoff[START HITTING TAB]
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• 2488[20:46:37] <Primer> run it from there, and I bet you get some significant output
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• 2490[20:47:01] <CrazyBi7> Primer: ehm... I'm a student, so I know some things, but other no. Now, "See if X is running"... I don't know how to do it XD .
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• 2492[20:47:35] <mimi89999> Primer: Maybe `libreoffice --clac`
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• 2495[20:48:03] <mimi89999> there is no libreoffice-calc command :D
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• 2497[20:48:10] <Primer> CrazyBi7: sudo apt install pastebinit; ps auxw | pastebinit <-- please be sure you understand what commands do when people tell you to run them
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• 2499[20:48:29] <Primer> This will output a URL. Paste the URL here.
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• 2508[20:49:49] <mimi89999> CrazyBi7: echo $WAYLAND_DISPLAY
• 2509[20:50:26] <Primer> he's ssh'd in
• 2510[20:50:33] <Primer> that will not be set
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• 2514[20:51:16] <mimi89999> Ah. Right.
• 2515[20:51:20] <Primer> even if he wasn't ssh'd in, that'd not be set outside of X, I'd think
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• 2518[20:51:53] <greycat> a regular (no -X or -Y) ssh session wouldn't see it, that's correct
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• 2520[20:51:58] <Primer> mimi89999: but yeah, something like that. Anything that you can run from the command line that starts outputing to stdout/stderr
• 2521[20:52:30] <CrazyBi7> the user that I use isn't root, so I cannot install pastebinit. If i try to login with username root, the password doesn't work
• 2522[20:52:32] <Primer> is bound to have helpul info, in my experience
• 2523[20:52:47] <Primer> CrazyBi7: hence "sudo"
• 2524[20:53:03] <Primer> I have a meeting...bbl
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• 2527[20:53:31] <CrazyBi7> Primer, If i type sudo, it doesn't find the command
• 2528[20:53:52] <CrazyBi7> he says -bash: sudo: command don't found
• 2529[20:53:58] <Primer> su -
• 2530[20:54:01] <Primer> type root password
• 2531[20:54:10] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i've got a new solid state hd and it is working normaly but sometimes when the pc runs for a longer time i've to fsck /dev/sda (new hdd) and i have lags regarding to the access to the hdd (i can switch windows and the other windows are working only the window accessing the hd is lagging, it worked allways, it seems to be a problem with debian stable, where can i find info how to make a bug report
• 2532[20:54:11] <rocketmagnet> about this issue and know what for logs they need ?
• 2533[20:54:12] <CrazyBi7> ok it work
• 2534[20:54:18] <Primer> learn linux :)
• 2535[20:54:20] <Primer> ciao
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• 2538[20:55:04] <rocketmagnet> and should i make a bug report to debian or to the linux kernel ?
• 2539[20:56:00] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, is the firmware of the ssd up to date?
• 2540[20:56:02] <rocketmagnet> i had let him run 1 week an when i came back my hdd was only readable and i had to restart and make a fsck and then it works again but the lag is realllllly anoying
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• 2542[20:56:27] <rocketmagnet> how to update the firmware of a sdd ??? never heard of that
• 2543[20:56:31] <rocketmagnet> Habbie: ^
• 2544[20:56:36] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, check with the vendor
• 2545[20:56:37] <mimi89999> Maybe it was a faulty disk?
• 2546[20:56:39] <CrazyBi7> Primer, the link: replaced-url
• 2547[20:56:50] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, my first SSD would corrupt the partition table on powerdown, that was a firmware bug
• 2548[20:57:16] <rocketmagnet> it's a new hdd and when i do a fresh install it works for a while and then the lagging starts
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• 2551[20:57:32] <mimi89999> CrazyBi7: What's actually the problem? Just came in.
• 2552[20:57:44] <rocketmagnet> so i think it has more to do with the kernel or debian
• 2553[20:58:08] <somiaj> it sounds more like hardware to me rocketmagnet.
• 2554[20:58:09] <mimi89999> What model?
• 2555[20:58:09] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, please at least check if there is new firmware
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• 2557[20:58:22] <rocketmagnet> kingston
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• 2559[20:58:33] <rocketmagnet> how to find out the model ?
• 2560[20:58:34] <somiaj> the kernel should be access the drive over sata, and those drivers are quite solid. Check dmesg for any warnings.
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• 2562[20:59:10] <greycat> rocketmagnet: it ought to be in dmesg, at least
• 2563[20:59:13] <mimi89999> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
• 2564[20:59:18] <mimi89999> Should show the model.
• 2565[20:59:32] <greycat> yup, that too
• 2566[20:59:57] <CrazyBi7> mimi89999: I've a Panel PC (a touch-screen monitor with a computer inside), it has a Intel Atom d2550, 2 GB of RAM and 32 GB of SSD. It had Windows 7, now I installed Linux Debian 9.9.0, architeture AMD64. Now, when it try to start the SO, it crash. If i remove QUIET and i instert NOMODESET, I can see these last frame replaced-url
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• 2571[21:00:44] <rocketmagnet> greycat: that don't show me the model, only start end sectors
• 2572[21:01:16] <greycat> rocketmagnet: sudo fdisk -l | grep -i model
• 2573[21:01:34] <rocketmagnet> no output
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• 2575[21:02:02] <greycat> weeeeird... try dmesg, then? But you may have to read quite a lot of text to find it.
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• 2577[21:02:44] <mimi89999> CrazyBi7: Can you connect a keyboard to it?
• 2578[21:03:05] <greycat> Mine appears twice in dmesg, but I have the advantage of knowing what to look for from the fdisk -l output.
• 2579[21:03:10] <rocketmagnet> should i paste the /var/log/message ?
• 2580[21:03:16] <CrazyBi7> mimi89999: Yeah, I can
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• 2582[21:03:42] <greycat> I doubt it would be in /var/log/messages. You want dmesg, or if it's expired from current dmesg, maybe journalctl -k
• 2583[21:03:46] <mimi89999> Looks like a graphic driver issue.
• 2584[21:03:54] <mimi89999> Try loading VESA.
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• 2590[21:05:22] <rocketmagnet> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2593[21:06:01] <mimi89999> CrazyBi7: What graphic card does it have?
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• 2595[21:07:26] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: ata2.00: ATA-10: KINGSTON SA400S37480G, SBFKB1C2, max UDMA/133 might be it
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• 2598[21:08:53] <Habbie> that's an SSD for sure
• 2599[21:08:55] <Habbie> replaced-url
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• 2602[21:10:04] <greycat> there's also ata3.00: ATA-10: CT500MX500SSD1, M3CR023, max UDMA/133 which has "SSD" literally in it
• 2603[21:10:42] <rocketmagnet> somiaj: and how do i find firmware upgrades, i've never done this before
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• 2605[21:10:55] <greycat> and ata4.00: ATA-9: CT240BX500SSD1, M6CR013, max UDMA/133
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• 2607[21:11:11] <mimi89999> Crucial MX 500
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• 2611[21:11:29] <greycat> Do you have 3 SSD devices in this box?
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• 2616[21:12:48] <greycat> If I'm reading this right, you've got 3 SSDs and 1 DVD.
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• 2622[21:14:32] <rocketmagnet> somiaj: i only find firmware upgrades for android for kingston
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• 2626[21:14:51] <rocketmagnet> greycat: yes
• 2627[21:15:04] <rocketmagnet> and /dev/sda2 is making the troubles
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• 2631[21:16:34] <rocketmagnet> can someone point me to the firmware update, i can't find it
• 2632[21:17:21] <greycat> Well, sda should be the Kingston one, based on process of elimination using the sizes from the other two.
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• 2635[21:17:41] <rocketmagnet> yes, the kingston is causing the troubles
• 2636[21:17:42] <greycat> so you can google something like "firmware kingston SA400S37480G"
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• 2645[21:21:30] <mimi89999> replaced-url
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• 2647[21:21:37] <mimi89999> Sounds interesting.
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• 2653[21:25:22] <rocketmagnet> greycat: i found replaced-url
• 2654[21:26:15] <mimi89999> Sounds like you need SSD manager on Windows.
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• 2656[21:26:44] <mimi89999> That's the only thing I found.
• 2657[21:26:46] <jelly> rocketmagnet: you'll probably want a search result on kingston's official site
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• 2660[21:27:09] <jelly> which is around replaced-url
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• 2662[21:27:37] <mimi89999> They say to use SSD manager.
• 2663[21:27:46] <mimi89999> Did the research for you.
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• 2665[21:28:11] <rocketmagnet> but the ssd manager is for windows, can i upgrade the firmware from linux ??
• 2666[21:28:21] <rocketmagnet> im mean from windows
• 2667[21:28:25] <jelly> at least they're quite explicit about > The Kingston SSD Manager is not compatible with Mac OS or Linux distributions.
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• 2669[21:29:07] <mimi89999> rocketmagnet: Do you have Win$ on your PC or can you plug that SSD into a PC with WIn$?
• 2670[21:29:26] <rocketmagnet> i have 3 ssd one for linux, one for windows and one for my projects
• 2671[21:29:35] <mimi89999> Great.
• 2672[21:29:56] <rocketmagnet> so i can use the ssd manager in windows to upgrade the firmware ?
• 2673[21:30:01] <mimi89999> Boot Windows and use that tool.
• 2674[21:30:06] <mimi89999> Yes
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• 2677[21:30:13] <jelly> presumably
• 2678[21:30:13] <rocketmagnet> ok, be back soon, thanks so far
• 2679[21:30:15] <greycat> write down the kingston.com URL (or learn how to get there), boot into Windows, go to the URL, follow their steps
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• 2681[21:31:06] <mimi89999> Samsung has a tool for Linux and even a bootable CD.
• 2682[21:31:13] <mimi89999> That's nice...
• 2683[21:31:31] <zumba_addict> stressedoutcat: I installed the latest debian 9 iso. The sysusers.d directory still didn't get created
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• 2686[21:32:06] * stressedoutcat fires up his stable vm
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• 2688[21:32:42] <greycat> what's a sysusers.d directory?
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• 2690[21:32:48] <bigMouthCommie> when i include a line in my bashrc, it doesnt seem to run. the line is as follows
• 2691[21:32:53] <stressedoutcat> ugh great - the VM's also on testing -.-
• 2692[21:32:53] <bigMouthCommie> timeout 3s cmatrix
• 2693[21:33:03] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: how are you running bash?
• 2694[21:33:15] <bigMouthCommie> atm, through ssh in putty
• 2695[21:33:28] <bigMouthCommie> but it doesnt work when i am at the terminal either
• 2696[21:33:36] <stressedoutcat> greycat: /usr/lib/sysusers.d - it's where the systemd-sysusers configuration files go (for defining system users like root, nobody, and others)
• 2697[21:33:42] <greycat> Do you simply login and get an interactive shell in putty, or do you send a command?
• 2698[21:34:00] <bigMouthCommie> login, but to test my bashrc, i type "bash"
• 2699[21:34:15] <bigMouthCommie> never works nmw
• 2700[21:34:15] <greycat> So now you've got THREE totally different things. Which one do you want me to focus on?
• 2701[21:34:34] <bigMouthCommie> i want to see cmatrix run for three seconds when i load a shell
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• 2703[21:35:00] <greycat> When you ssh in, interactively, with putty?
• 2704[21:35:09] <bigMouthCommie> lets start with when i run bash
• 2705[21:35:11] <bigMouthCommie> as a command
• 2706[21:35:23] <greycat> OK. You have a terminal, and you type "bash" in this terminal.
• 2707[21:35:28] <bigMouthCommie> right.
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• 2709[21:35:41] <greycat> Can you upload the .bashrc file? E.g. to paste.debian.net
• 2710[21:35:56] <bigMouthCommie> sure.
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• 2712[21:36:13] <bigMouthCommie> i have the offending line commented out atm but all the relevant stuff will be at the bottom
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• 2714[21:36:28] <rocketmagnet> i made the firmware update and i think the lags are gone =) =)
• 2715[21:37:00] <rocketmagnet> i had not enouth time to test it but until now it lag free and there was a firmware update available so i had to update
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• 2717[21:37:13] <greycat> rocketmagnet: sounds good
• 2718[21:37:15] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
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• 2720[21:37:42] <rocketmagnet> thanks for your support, it made me cracy
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• 2722[21:38:45] <rocketmagnet> thanks guys, you helped me alot
• 2723[21:38:53] <bigMouthCommie> greycat: the "clock" command in that stack is here: replaced-url
• 2724[21:38:58] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: well, I don't know what neofetch and clock do. And your cmatrix command is commented out. What happens if you move the cmatrix command up higher? Or if you just put some echo commands in?
• 2725[21:39:01] <bigMouthCommie> (not that its relevant to the problem)
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• 2728[21:39:33] <bigMouthCommie> neofetch gives a pretty system snapshot... i'll pastebit too
• 2729[21:39:36] <rocketmagnet> greycat: thank you alot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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• 2731[21:39:45] <rocketmagnet> and the other that helped me
• 2732[21:39:56] <rocketmagnet> now my pc is running like a good oiled motor
• 2733[21:40:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1518
• 2734[21:40:14] <Arkaniad_> oil that computer up
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• 2737[21:40:27] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
• 2738[21:40:45] <bigMouthCommie> greycat: with the line uncommented, it jsut hangs for three seconds
• 2739[21:40:50] <bigMouthCommie> no matter where i put it
• 2740[21:40:59] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: so it *does* run.
• 2741[21:41:40] <bigMouthCommie> well... it might, but idk how to make it run visibly
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• 2760[21:50:42] <munchausen> Hello
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• 2762[21:50:50] <Arkaniad_> hi
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• 2764[21:51:33] <munchausen> I have a (hopefully) simple question: If I build an older version of a package from a deb source package, will it build against newer versions of the dependencies?
• 2765[21:51:51] <greycat> it will build against whatever it finds on your system
• 2766[21:51:51] <munchausen> Or does the deb system pull in specific versions of the dependencies?
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• 2768[21:52:22] <rant> I'd like to have openvpn (simple static key) setup to allow access to my local LAN, the ISP gateway doesnt support these features.. what are my options? I tested a simple setup on a debian server 10.0.0.2 last night, but the static 10.0.1.1 10.0.1.2 vpn network of course wasnt accessible over the LAN
• 2769[21:52:27] <munchausen> (If I use e.g. apt-get build-dep)
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• 2771[21:52:40] <jhutchins_wk> !lfhs
• 2772[21:52:40] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
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• 2774[21:52:56] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
• 2775[21:52:57] <Habbie> munchausen, build-dep honours version restrictions - by shouting at you if what is available does not meet them
• 2776[21:53:11] <munchausen> Habbie lol thanks
• 2777[21:53:17] <munchausen> greycat thanks as well
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• 2782[21:58:03] <bigMouthCommie> greycat: another channel has suggested that .bashrc doesnt run interactively. is there a way to wait until the term is interactive?
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• 2784[21:59:45] <stressedoutcat> bigMouthCommie: what is in your .bash_profile?
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• 2786[22:00:15] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: it is running, which you confirmed by observing the three seconds of "nothing" before timeout killed it
• 2787[22:00:15] <stressedoutcat> bigMouthCommie: .bashrc is not run if it's a login shell, hence why most .bash_profile include .bashrc
• 2788[22:00:49] <greycat> stressedoutcat: that's why I tried to get him to pin down ONE of his configs. We settled on "I type bash in a terminal" which runs a non-login shell which reads .bashrc.
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• 2790[22:01:27] <bigMouthCommie> greycat: but it doesnt display the output of cmatrix in the terminal
• 2791[22:01:33] <greycat> The command is running. I don't know how to make it "show up". I don't know why it's not currently visible. I looked at the pkg depends and it's not an X11 client, so it's not the obvious "it's displaying on the X display" answer.
• 2792[22:01:36] <stressedoutcat> greycat: ah yes - I admit I just remembered the beginning of the conversation, when it was about putty, login and whatnot mixed together...
• 2793[22:01:53] <jhutchins_wk> ,v modep
• 2794[22:01:54] <judd> No package named 'modep' was found in amd64.
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• 2798[22:02:36] <stressedoutcat> bigMouthCommie: what happens if you run cmatrix manually after bash has started?
• 2799[22:03:07] <bigMouthCommie> it does what i expect
• 2800[22:03:40] <greycat> Beware, he has some aliases that may be in the way. He had something defining an alias named "matrix" at least, that I saw. timeout will not run the alias. It will run the real command.
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• 2802[22:04:15] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
• 2803[22:04:25] <bigMouthCommie> ^^ my bashrc
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• 2805[22:05:01] <stressedoutcat> well, the cmatrix line there is commented out
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• 2807[22:05:25] <stressedoutcat> bigMouthCommie: sanity check, when you run it manually, do you run `matrix` or `cmatrix`?
• 2808[22:05:34] <greycat> You need to show the file that is *actually* being used, or else how do we know what else is changed?
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• 2811[22:07:05] <bigMouthCommie> i type the cmatrix command
• 2812[22:07:31] <bigMouthCommie> and yes, for the moment, i commented out the line we're trying to fix, b/c it just causes a hang instead of displaying the output of cmatrix
• 2813[22:07:59] <greycat> Just for grins, if "cmatrix" works (presumably you kill with Ctrl-C), what happens if you run "timeout 3s cmatrix" interactively?
• 2814[22:08:22] <bigMouthCommie> it does exactly what you expect
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• 2820[22:12:06] <stressedoutcat> alright, I can reproduce it
• 2821[22:12:27] <stressedoutcat> if put in .bashrc, `timeout 3s cmatrix` does indeed just do nothing for 3 seconds
• 2822[22:12:47] <greycat> Which version of Debian?
• 2823[22:12:48] <stressedoutcat> maybe bash prevents stuff interacting with the secondary buffer while sourcing .bashrc
• 2824[22:12:52] <stressedoutcat> testing
• 2825[22:12:59] <stressedoutcat> bigMouthCommie: which version of debian are you running?
• 2826[22:13:13] <stressedoutcat> unfortunately I don't have a stable under my nose :-/
• 2827[22:13:22] <bigMouthCommie> 9.9
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• 2834[22:14:27] <stressedoutcat> ignore my comment about bash preventing stuff with a secondary screen - it works fine if I remove the `timeout` part
• 2835[22:15:02] <greycat> Yes, same here. bash --rcfile <(echo cmatrix) is fine. bash --rcfile <(echo timeout 3 cmatrix) has no visible output. Not sure what's going on just yet.
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• 2837[22:15:31] <bigMouthCommie> really?!
• 2838[22:15:34] * bigMouthCommie tests
• 2839[22:15:39] <greycat> I also get visible output with source <(echo timeout 3 cmatrix)
• 2840[22:15:52] <jelly> the matrix knows if you're trying to preempt it
• 2841[22:16:02] <stressedoutcat> heh
• 2842[22:16:40] <greycat> The undesirable behavior requires *both* things: timeout and being read as bash's rcfile.
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• 2844[22:17:46] <bigMouthCommie> ok. so it does the thing, but i want it to KILL IT after three seconds
• 2845[22:18:37] <bigMouthCommie> i'm find with something really hacky but i never tried something like... looking for a running proc and killing it after 3 seconds or w/e. i only discovered "timeout" while trying to write this bashrc
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• 2847[22:19:00] <bigMouthCommie> (basically, i want to feel like zerocool when i launch my term)
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• 2850[22:20:16] <humpled> could use the -s flag
• 2851[22:20:17] <greycat> can you live with "cmatrix -s" and killing it by pressing a key?
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• 2853[22:21:02] <bigMouthCommie> oh. u know i think i like that
• 2854[22:21:10] <bigMouthCommie> thanx!
• 2855[22:21:30] <greycat> This definitely seems like a bug, but I don't know which of the three things it's a bug *in*.
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• 2858[22:21:47] <greycat> (bash, cmatrix, timeout)
• 2859[22:21:58] <stressedoutcat> well, it's any interactive application - the same happens with `htop`
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• 2861[22:23:32] <greycat> Huh. Tested with bash --rcfile <(echo timeout 3 top) and you're correct. timeout + rcfile makes it invisible.
• 2862[22:23:55] <greycat> Whereas bash --rcfile <(echo top) is fine.
• 2863[22:24:27] <bigMouthCommie> yo. this really does th thing i want
• 2864[22:24:29] <humpled> seems to work if you use timeout --foreground ... ///
• 2865[22:24:42] <greycat> Also tested: echo timeout 3 top > foo; ENV=$PWD/foo ksh and it happens in ksh as well. So it seems like timeout is the culprit somehow.
• 2866[22:24:56] <bigMouthCommie> i mean, it would be nice if i didnt need to kill cmatrix with a key, but like... i like that i can choose how long to linger...
• 2867[22:25:18] <bigMouthCommie> i'll probably remove this altogether at some point, but for the moment i feel like i'm Trinity in the matrix
• 2868[22:25:19] <stressedoutcat> then again, it works fine with .zshrc - but the startup procedure/sequence there is quite a bit different
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• 2870[22:26:18] <greycat> bash --rcfile <(echo timeout --foreground 3 cmatrix) works
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• 2872[22:26:41] <bigMouthCommie> --foreground ?
• 2873[22:26:48] <humpled> yarp
• 2874[22:26:51] <bigMouthCommie> nice
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• 2877[22:27:41] <bigMouthCommie> omg. it does exactly what i want
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• 2879[22:27:57] <humpled> ohmygee
• 2880[22:27:57] <bigMouthCommie> you guys were really helpful. i appreciate it!
• 2881[22:28:01] <humpled> :D
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• 2885[22:29:51] <stressedoutcat> m
• 2886[22:30:04] <stressedoutcat> sorry, focusfail
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• 2893[22:32:29] <MTB2019> how do i save changes i do with "pavucontrol"?
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• 2926[22:50:24] <ctcx> Wanna try writing ISO file (say, the Debian ISO installer) to USB drive via dd. But I have the USB partitioned. Is it possible to use dd to write to specific partition as output (say sdb2), instead of having the *whole* device as output (sdb)?
• 2927[22:50:38] <Habbie> yes, you can dd to sdb2
• 2928[22:50:45] <Habbie> but i don't know if that will work for the installer
• 2929[22:50:56] <jmcnaught> it won't work, the installer image is already partitioned
• 2930[22:51:00] <Habbie> right
• 2931[22:51:04] <Habbie> i suspected that
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• 2933[22:51:34] <jhutchins_wk> stressedoutcat: Yeah, I have trouble getting focus-follows-eyeballs to work too.
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• 2937[22:52:27] <ctcx> So dd will work, but Debian won't boot from the USB?
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• 2940[22:54:16] <MTB2019> How do I make pavucontrol settings permanent ?
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• 2942[22:55:56] <stressedoutcat> jhutchins_wk: I'll report a bug report next time I visit my parents -- "this nervous system is really nifty, but the finger mechanics shows some significant latency at times..."
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• 2992[23:24:58] <bigMouthCommie> another wierd one: my x11vnc server has a new behavior: when i move my mouse, it moves it immediately back to some arbitrary position...
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• 2997[23:26:21] <ctcx> When using dd to write ISO to USB, is it generally advised to use bs=4M ?
• 2998[23:26:36] <greycat> that should be fine
• 2999[23:26:45] <Habbie> ctcx, it should save you some time, yes
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• 3007[23:31:35] <ctcx> greycat: I already read this parameter, among others, were particularly important in the old times of tapes, diskettes, etc. Not so much nowadays. However I still see *many* dd examples around web with bs=4M.
• 3008[23:31:49] <ctcx> Is there a way to get the actual "correct" buffer size nowadays?
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• 3010[23:31:59] <ctcx> For whatever case one may be working in
• 3011[23:32:03] <Habbie> ctcx, as recently as a few months ago, i found that on my mac, a bs of a few megabytes made a big difference
• 3012[23:32:04] <greycat> There isn't a "correct" size.
• 3013[23:32:14] <Habbie> ctcx, the good news is that with RAM sizes today, it's okay to go overboard a bit
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• 3018[23:32:40] <greycat> It should be smaller than your available RAM for sure, and should be at least reasonable for the device in question.
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• 3020[23:33:22] <greycat> The default of 512 bytes is usually going to perform poorly on modern devices.
• 3021[23:33:38] <ctcx> greycat: I meant, if there's a way to get a "correct" value depending of course of the device.
• 3022[23:33:44] <greycat> I tend to think of 64k as a reasonable default for most things.
• 3023[23:34:10] <Habbie> 64k probably helps a lot on most systems, yes
• 3024[23:34:23] <ctcx> So, 64k or 4M......
• 3025[23:34:58] <Habbie> is using 4M of RAM during the dd a problem for your machine?
• 3026[23:37:27] <ctcx> No
• 3027[23:37:41] <Habbie> then just do that
• 3028[23:37:55] <Habbie> too big is not a problem unless you pick weird boundaries, and powers of two are rarely weird boundaries
• 3029[23:37:57] <CaptainN> 10gb of ram
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• 3043[23:48:00] <ctcx> If after installing I need the USB for storage again, do I really need to do this replaced-url
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• 3050[23:53:47] <ctcx> If after installing I need the USB for storage again, do I really need to do this replaced-url
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• 3053[23:55:08] <ksk> ctcx: ehm, this is #debian here. and no, I would think "normal ways of putting a filesystem to an usb stick" should be enough
• 3054[23:55:31] <ksk> also, you do not need to repeat your question in 5 minute intervals.
• 3055[23:55:37] <ctcx> sorry
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