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2[04:21:57] <Olufunmilayo> somiaj, thank you once again!
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5[04:23:07] <somiaj> random_auroras: I would, sounds like a
bug to me.
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7[04:23:27] <somiaj> random_auroras: I'd probably go with
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11[04:24:29] <random_auroras> somiaj: Yeah. I only realized the
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something I knew to be in one.
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38[04:46:33] <random_auroras> I think reportbug crashed on
sending my mail.
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44[04:52:46] <somiaj> random_auroras: do you have smtp server
setup? I sometimes just save the output of report bug to a file and
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46[04:53:11] <random_auroras> I sent the output manually. I
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65[05:01:10] <oct2pus> :(
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74[05:07:33] <fasle> Hey there, did anything change on stretch
with installing Steam? I followed the steps on the Steam Debian
page, but whatever I do steam does not find libGL.so.1. When I try
`STEAM_RUNTIME=0 steam`, it reports missing: libGL.so.1, libva.so.1,
libbz2.so.1.0, libvdpau.so.1, libva.so.1, libva-x11.so.1
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76[05:08:41] <fasle> My driver is
libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx
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77[05:10:12] <awal1> I just added my user to libvirt and
libvirt-qemu groups and all fine but 'groups' still
doesn't list those groups
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78[05:10:28] <awal1> how to update without logging outfrom X
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79[05:10:36] <rant> fasle: sounds like your display driver is
not properly installed.. you'd probably see evidence of this in
the Xorg log as well.
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80[05:10:44] <fasle> will check
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81[05:12:06] <rant> awal1: group memberships only change on
login.. you can simulate a login in a terminal with su or such but
to get your whole X session to have those perms you need to logout
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83[05:13:11] <themill> or newgrp
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85[05:14:39] <awal1> rant, virt-manager starts with errors
before adding my user to libvirt and libvirt-qemu groups. now it
starts fine, just 'groups' doesn't list my user as
belonged to those groups. so " group memberships only change on
login"?
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86[05:14:49] <awal1> I don't get that
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88[05:15:36] <awal1> hm, never heard about newgrp
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91[05:19:14] <themill> be careful, any files created within the
'newgrp' shell will be in the group you've specified
not your default group
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92[05:19:41] <awal1> ok
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93[05:21:17] <CannedSpinach> is it worth trying to run
dpkg-buildpackage multiple times or if it fails once there's
something wrong?
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94[05:21:23] <awal1> I have troubles with my vbox buggy (sid)
and trying to switch to qemu-kvm
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98[05:23:37] <awal1>
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100[05:24:16] <awal1> I am not really aware about vbox or
qemu-kvm or virtualization in general; I just know basics
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101[05:24:33] <awal1> not sure if what the guy says in that link
is correct
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103[05:25:50] <ChmEarl> CannedSpinach, you can restart your
build with more granularity with: fakeroot debian/rules
<target>, where the default is binary
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106[05:26:42] <ChmEarl> Canned and using more stamps can help
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107[05:26:46] <awal1> if I kick out vbox, my debian will really
be free of contrib and non-free stuff
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112[05:29:30] <Sveta> Thought vbox was packaged.
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113[05:29:56] <Sveta> Ah, it's in contrib.
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116[05:32:08] <themill> requires non-free compiler
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125[05:37:28] <fasle> rant: Thanks turns out I must have
installed some 304 and not 340 libs.... can login now.
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126[05:37:39] <fasle> Xorg log was the way to go
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150[05:53:12] <awal1> I guess I have to report a bug about
virtualbox because I get same warning
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155[05:55:19] <awal1>
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157[05:57:16] <themill> is the module loaded?
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164[06:01:48] <awal1> themil, lsmod doesn't list it
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165[06:02:07] <awal1> doesn't list vboxvdr
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166[06:02:46] <awal1> last night I reinstalled virtualbox-dkms
and did modprob vboxvdr and I got module not found or something like
that
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167[06:03:56] <awal1> I thought I 'll be able to import my
vbox debian guest to qemu-kvm easilly; looks like that bug
won't let me
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168[06:03:56] <blob> awal1: did it start after installing guest
additions?
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170[06:04:41] <CannedSpinach> what's the significance of
this error message in dpkg-buildpackage? debian/rules:100: recipe
for target 'override_dh_auto_install' failed
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171[06:04:44] <themill> awal1: what does modprobe say? or dmesg.
(Are you sure that the module is even built)
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174[06:05:02] <themill> CannedSpinach: that's where the
error is
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176[06:05:49] <blob> awal1: you installed dkms
linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential ?
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181[06:08:08] <awal1> blob, I had virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
installed, almost for get full screen mode for guests but i removed
after realizing that -guest-utils and -guest-X11 (in main) already
does the job. I had no issues removing guest-additions; problem
started after last virtualbox upgrade; not sure what changed exactly
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182[06:08:26] <awal1> themill, modprobe vboxvdr returns
modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxvdr not found in directory
/lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64
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190[06:11:32] <themill> rebuilding it either with
dpkg-reconfigure or «dkms build vboxdrv» (from memory)
should tell you why/why not
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192[06:11:51] <blob> apt-get install dkms virtualbox-dkms ?
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193[06:12:08] <CannedSpinach> themill: is there another way to
build that can avoid this error? sorry I'm illiterate with
these kinds of errors
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194[06:12:19] <CannedSpinach> just trying to build samba since
there's a broken package
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195[06:12:23] <themill> CannedSpinach: no, you get to fix it
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196[06:12:34] <themill> broken in what way?
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197[06:12:55] <CannedSpinach> idk honestly
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198[06:13:05] <CannedSpinach> I posted my error a few places and
most people said it seemed like a broken package
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199[06:13:25] <CannedSpinach>
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201[06:17:00] <themill> CannedSpinach: what distro and what
hardware is this on and where is the package from?
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203[06:17:37] <awal1> blob, themill, I tried to reinstall all
vbox pkgs I see errors
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204[06:17:49] <awal1> already did last night ...
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207[06:18:54] <themill> awal1: what's in
/var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/5.2.4/build/make.log ?
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209[06:20:35] <CannedSpinach> themill: raspbian (debian 9.3)
raspberry pi and apt-get
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211[06:20:51] <themill> CannedSpinach: is the samba package from
debian or from raspbian?
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213[06:20:59] <awal1> very slow internet here, sorry
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214[06:21:02] <awal1> themill
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216[06:22:45] <blob> please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or
elfutils-libelf-devel
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217[06:23:18] <awal1> themill, google translate
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220[06:23:35] <awal1> blob, no for me I believe :P
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222[06:23:39] <themill> looks like #886743
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223[06:23:40] <judd> Bug
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224[06:23:54] <awal1> oh, for me
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225[06:24:02] <themill> (what blob said and what your own log
said)
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228[06:24:07] <awal1> ok, I check the bug
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229[06:24:12] <blob> yeah, that was copy/paste from your log :)
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230[06:24:13] <CannedSpinach> themill: I assume it's from
raspbian. I thought it was both though, I didn't know there was
a difference as far as packages are concerned.
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232[06:24:48] <CannedSpinach> I guess it makes sense that just
the Raspbian package is broken since there would be more of a fuss
if Debian was hosting a broken package.
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233[06:25:14] <themill> CannedSpinach: unlikely it is actually
broken but in any case, if the samba daemon is segfaulting that
sounds like the sort of thing that would be fixed by the raspbian
people and you should ask them about it and also about how they
build their packages.
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234[06:25:17] <awal1> blob, themill, ok, thank you for helping
me to debug; I will check the bug and check what I have to do.
thanks :)
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235[06:26:35] <CannedSpinach> themill: I made a post on the RPi
forums. not sure how to get in contact with those folks. thanks
though.
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236[06:27:03] <themill> #raspbian exists
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239[06:27:24] <CannedSpinach> will probably check it out later
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241[06:27:41] <CannedSpinach> feels kind of bad going on this
wild goose hunt for something as simple as a samba server though
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242[06:27:44] <CannedSpinach> shrug
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244[06:27:59] <themill> there's nothing simple about samba
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245[06:28:10] <blob> CannedSpinach: if the central package
doesn't work, you could try to download the source and
build/install it yourself?
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246[06:28:21] <CannedSpinach> blob: yeah that was the origin of
this conversation
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247[06:28:29] <CannedSpinach> building the traditional way
failed repeatedly
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248[06:28:57] <themill> bad smb.conf can also cause samba
segfaults btw
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249[06:29:17] <CannedSpinach> hmm
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251[06:29:34] <CannedSpinach> let me see if I can't find a
healthy smb.conf to test with
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252[06:30:06] <themill> systemd will also keep more details
about the segfault such as what binary it occurred in and that can
help pin it down
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253[06:30:32] <Rusty1_> there is also #samba ...
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256[06:32:07] <CannedSpinach> Rusty1_: been there
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257[06:32:21] <CannedSpinach> they were the ones who originally
suggested it was a bad package
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262[06:33:23] <CannedSpinach> themill: pretty sure it was the
conf file that screwed it up.
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263[06:33:46] <CannedSpinach> just installed it successfully
again.
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264[06:34:06] <CannedSpinach> it's too bad I'll have
to go mess with the conf file again when I want to get a fileserver
working though, heh
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266[06:35:16] <blob> I recall there was a util for validating
samba config files...
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267[06:35:47] <blob>
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268[06:35:54] <CannedSpinach> nice
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269[06:35:54] <CannedSpinach> thanks
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270[06:36:17] <CannedSpinach> is there a util for making samba
documentation read like plain english?
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274[06:37:13] <blob> CannedSpinach: testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
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275[06:37:13] <blob> :P
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281[06:40:34] <Sveta> CannedSpinach, if man pages are too
technical for your level, check /usr/share/doc/samba/* for
additional references
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295[06:52:03] <rant> yes there is also the samba-doc package
which contains O'Reilly's Using Samba guide.. though there
are some inaccuracies in that.. mostly in the explaination of
logging features
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304[07:03:37] <jim> anything we can do about spectre yet?
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308[07:08:06] <darxmurf> wait... :D
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310[07:08:27] <darxmurf> or have a drink and watch the word burn
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319[07:17:54] <mnuhmnuh> CannedSpinach: tempted to suggest chef.
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323[07:20:15] <mnuhmnuh> cat "samba documentation" |
chef ? it'd be fun.
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333[07:25:58] <darxmurf> damn, finally ended this game:
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341[07:34:51] <mnuhmnuh> darxmurf: solution is not to begin.
imo.
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344[07:36:31] <darxmurf> well, I failed, I started the first
one... I had to finish
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391[08:02:44] <Haohmaru> what should i do if an "apt-get
upgrade" did not finish successifully and i've rebooted?
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394[08:03:22] <Haohmaru> because now when i'm redoing it -
there are issues with package dependancies or somethin'
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397[08:04:20] <darxmurf> apt-get install -f
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398[08:04:24] <darxmurf> this can fix things
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400[08:05:00] <darxmurf> but why did you reboot after a non
successfull apt-get upgrade ? Oo
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401[08:05:15] <kopper> You didn't fail to upgrade anything
critical to boot?
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403[08:06:50] <Haohmaru> i surely did, i'm logged into it
now via a debian live usb stick and "chroot" thing
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407[08:07:25] <Haohmaru> it's a debian 8 btw
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408[08:07:41] <Haohmaru> so, apt-get install -f and then retry
the "upgrade" ?
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411[08:08:08] <darxmurf> yep
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413[08:08:11] <darxmurf> then dist-upgrade
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415[08:08:26] <Haohmaru> that would turn it into debian 9 ?
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417[08:08:42] <darxmurf> only if you updated your apt conf file
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418[08:08:52] <darxmurf> you want to upgrade to 9 ?
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420[08:08:56] <Haohmaru> uh, i've not touched it
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421[08:08:57] <towo^work> apt -f install would not help many, if
there was a reboot after a broken update
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422[08:09:17] <darxmurf> so, first try apt-get -f install
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423[08:09:30] <towo^work> dpkg --configure -a is the way you
have to go
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424[08:09:31] <Haohmaru> what does the "dist-upgrade"
do?
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425[08:09:31] <dpkg> towo^work: what are you talking about?
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426[08:09:38] <darxmurf> apt-get update first
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428[08:10:00] <darxmurf> towo^work: if it's only a missing
dependency it can help
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429[08:10:11] <towo^work> not after a reboot
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431[08:10:19] <Haohmaru> many reboots even
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432[08:10:21] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: it upgrades some other
packages like kernel
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433[08:10:31] <darxmurf> damn you cumulate things mate :-/
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436[08:11:07] <darxmurf> so, apt-get update, then apt-get
install -f, then if all looks ok, apt-get upgrade, apt-get
dist-upgrade
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437[08:11:41] * Haohmaru looks at towo^work ..
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438[08:11:56] <darxmurf> look at your keyboard first
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440[08:12:12] <Haohmaru> i did, it's gray-ish
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445[08:12:47] <darxmurf> so, run your apt-get stuff, what's
the result ?
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453[08:17:09] <Haohmaru> "install -f" says there are
two packages that are no longer needed, a bunch of
"suggested" packages (some weird fonts), one package needs
to be installed (looks like the one with the broken dependancies),
and 283 packages "not fully installed or removed"
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454[08:17:48] <darxmurf> so, say yes, it will install the
things,
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455[08:18:02] <darxmurf> did you apt-get update first ?
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456[08:18:23] <Haohmaru> also, it's a 32bit debian, and i
think it was installed from a lxde-live iso
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457[08:18:30] <Haohmaru> yes
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461[08:19:25] <darxmurf> well 32/64 does not change the way you
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464[08:20:16] <Haohmaru> but i think it might be full of weird
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465[08:20:31] <Haohmaru> debian9 live had very weird packages
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466[08:20:34] <darxmurf> why ?
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469[08:21:15] <darxmurf> for a server you don't need a
graphical manager, this will obviously remove a lot of things
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473[08:21:49] <Haohmaru> again i get warnings "possibly
missing firmware /somethingsomething/rtl_nic/..."
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475[08:22:13] <Haohmaru> the desktop is lxde so IMO that
doesn't hurt too much
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477[08:22:28] <Haohmaru> it uses like 250-ish MB if someone
actually logs into it
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478[08:22:29] <darxmurf> could you paste the content of your
/etc/apt/sources.list in
replaced-url
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479[08:22:52] <darxmurf> my servers are in a datacenter without
a screen plugged on...
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480[08:23:02] <darxmurf> no screen, no graphical interface
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481[08:23:05] <darxmurf> anyway
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482[08:23:08] <Haohmaru> hm, hold on
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484[08:23:56] <darxmurf> and give the link here then obviously
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487[08:25:42] <Haohmaru> blah, no irc client in the live image
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491[08:26:50] <darxmurf> oh wait but you are running a live
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492[08:26:59] <Haohmaru> yes
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494[08:27:14] <Haohmaru> because otherwise it fails to boot
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495[08:27:15] <darxmurf> but why are you talking about apt-get
upgrades then ?
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498[08:27:34] <Haohmaru> did i messed things up now?
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500[08:28:05] <darxmurf> No but you ran the apt-get upgrade
directly from the shell in the live debian ?
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503[08:28:17] <Haohmaru>
replaced-url
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505[08:28:34] <Haohmaru> darxmurf no, i did this
"chroot" thing yesterday
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507[08:28:39] <darxmurf> ah okay
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508[08:29:36] <darxmurf> edit your source.list and add:
"contrib non-free" after all "main" then save
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512[08:30:18] <Haohmaru> meanwhile, "install -f"
finished
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514[08:30:49] <darxmurf> then apt-get update, then apt-get
install firmware-realtek firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free
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516[08:31:15] <darxmurf> this will probably sort out your
"missing firmware"
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520[08:32:48] <darxmurf> this is how your source.list shoud
looks like
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521[08:32:50] <darxmurf>
replaced-url
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524[08:33:50] <darxmurf> and by the way, what you have to do
first is to fix your boot, then reboot your machine (without the
live CD) and continue from the normal system
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526[08:34:21] <darxmurf> you are in bulgaria it's right ?
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528[08:34:27] <darxmurf> or around
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529[08:34:33] <Haohmaru> i don't know how to fix it so it
boots
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530[08:34:40] <Haohmaru> yes
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531[08:34:59] <darxmurf> okay
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533[08:36:02] <Haohmaru> i got "E: cannot write log, is
/dev/pts mounted?"
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539[08:37:04] <Haohmaru> okay, the realtek stuff finished, the
last stuff i see mentions "update-initramfs"
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541[08:37:40] <Haohmaru> what's next? "upgrade" ?
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543[08:38:03] <darxmurf> did you try to fix your boot with
grub-install/update-grub ?
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544[08:38:10] <Haohmaru> no
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545[08:38:45] <Haohmaru> since i "chroot"ed, i've
only done apt-get stuff, and editting the sources.list and this
stuff now
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546[08:38:52] <darxmurf> okay
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547[08:39:26] <darxmurf> what's the result when you simply
launch update-grub ?
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548[08:40:28] <darxmurf> from chroot obviously
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549[08:41:12] <darxmurf> oh and did you mount all the things
correctly before to chroot ?
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550[08:41:19] <Haohmaru> "blah blah, found linux image
blahblah-686-pae, found initrd image blahblah-686-pae, done"
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551[08:42:05] <Haohmaru> i did the steps as they were written by
one of the bots here
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552[08:42:09] <darxmurf> okay
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553[08:42:31] <darxmurf> I assume your main hard disk is
/dev/sda ? it's where grub was installed ?
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555[08:42:45] <Haohmaru> yes
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557[08:43:30] <darxmurf> then launch grub-install /dev/sda
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559[08:44:11] <Haohmaru> k
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560[08:44:24] <darxmurf> then sync
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563[08:44:36] <darxmurf> then reboot and try to boot on your
system without the live CD
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564[08:44:40] <Haohmaru> done, no errors
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567[08:47:21] <Haohmaru> yey, it reached teh desktop
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569[08:47:45] <darxmurf> I would say, it's logical...
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570[08:48:08] <darxmurf> it's still your old laptop machine
?
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571[08:48:21] <darxmurf> you don't have something else to
replace it in parallel ?
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572[08:48:51] <Haohmaru> it's not mine.. this thing has
been put together by a collegue, and i think it's butchered
from a laptop
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573[08:49:02] <Haohmaru> with something like 1.5GB RAM
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580[08:50:49] <Haohmaru> it's stuffed inside a metal case
from some set-top-box device or so, with holes drilled for usb
ports/vga, and a funny industrial push button for power button, no
reset button
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581[08:50:59] <darxmurf> And here I have 6 machines built with
two 6 cores XEONS and 64GB Ram each I will recycle because nobody
want's them as they are too old...
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582[08:51:31] <Haohmaru> 64GB RAM? maan, this is maaadnesss
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583[08:51:43] <darxmurf> then new one got 128Gb
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584[08:51:48] <Haohmaru> x_x
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585[08:52:05] <darxmurf> serious computation :D
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586[08:52:31] <Haohmaru> so, once it's back to
"working" and even desktop is usable, i can continue to
carefully do stuff with it via synaptic, right?
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587[08:52:40] <darxmurf> yes or apt
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588[08:53:10] <Haohmaru> i'll use synaptic to see a list of
installed stuff, and if there are those weird ones imma remove em
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590[08:53:31] <Haohmaru> thanks much!
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591[08:53:37] <darxmurf> but what I suggest is: keep this
machine like this if it works. Then find another machine a bit more
serious, install a clean debian 9 on it from an installer, not from
a live CD, then reinstall samba and all you need and copy the files
from the old machine
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595[08:54:04] <darxmurf> and by the way, use UNIX file systems,
not NTFS :-)
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596[08:54:11] <Haohmaru> yes, this machine cannot remain like
this
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598[08:54:26] <Haohmaru> the actual shared partition has issues
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600[08:54:39] <darxmurf> do you have backups of this machine ?
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601[08:55:23] <darxmurf> oh and of course, if you install a new
machine, try to put at least a RAID 1 inside for your disks...
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602[08:55:31] <Haohmaru> not full backups, i got individual
config files of some of the complicated things i had to configure,
like the samba, the ircd, the vnc
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603[08:56:03] <Haohmaru> but i've forgotten.. it was long
ago.. this machine was installed 2 or 3 times before this
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604[08:56:16] <Haohmaru> there's only one disk
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605[08:56:47] <darxmurf> damn... I don't know what's
your business but I whish your disk will keep running...
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606[08:57:20] <darxmurf> disks are cheap, buy 2, install a RAID
1 in a real computer and reinstall your server on that with more RAM
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608[08:57:31] <Haohmaru> this guy who put it together is no
longer part of our team
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609[08:57:45] <Haohmaru> he and one more guy insisted on the
NTFS thing
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610[08:57:51] <Haohmaru> the other guy is still here tho ;P~
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611[08:58:25] <darxmurf> you can tell him he is lucky to still
have his files on this partition
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612[08:58:40] <Haohmaru> thing is, he doesn't have
important files on there
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613[08:58:43] <Haohmaru> most of them are mine
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614[08:58:46] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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616[08:59:16] <Haohmaru> wowz, did i say that out loud
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683[09:45:45] <earl_fas> hi
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684[09:45:48] <earl_fas> everyone
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687[09:46:30] <darxmurf> hi
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688[09:47:52] <earl_fas> What distribution do you use?
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691[09:48:13] <darxmurf> on which channel are you ? :-)
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692[09:48:36] <SirNeo> Windows 98SE
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693[09:49:20] <earl_fas> I use debian 9.3 gnome
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694[09:49:43] <earl_fas> where are you come from?
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695[09:49:43] <f4cl3y> Mixed, Gentoo/Debian/Arch
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696[09:50:08] <darxmurf> welcome to the AD (Anonymous
Debianists)
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697[09:50:49] <earl_fas> I mixed, win7/debian
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698[09:51:13] <eck> i'm using AmigaOS it works ok
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699[09:51:22] <earl_fas> Which system do you think is good?
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700[09:51:35] <darxmurf> damn... brb
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705[09:52:32] <jelly> earl_fas: this channel is used primarily
for tech support, if you want to chat, #debian-offtopic is a better
place for that (contrast with ##linux which allows any kind of
linux-related talk, not just support)
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711[09:55:12] <earl_fas> yeah,ok,i am sorry,just one minute
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758[10:13:06] <FinalX> question: is Meltdown fixed in a jessie
backports kernel? we have machines running 4.9+80+deb9u2~bpo8+2
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760[10:13:17] <FinalX> oh, changelog should be able to tell
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761[10:13:26] <petn-randall> FinalX: Was about to say :)
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770[10:16:33] <FinalX> seems so :)
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774[10:21:07] <temy> How can I map the Super key in XFCE to open
the Applications menu?
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797[10:35:59] <jim> temy, you might want to assign this super
key to another key so you have access to it
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801[10:37:24] <temy> jim: I already got an answer at #xfce, but
thanks anyway :)
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808[10:40:07] <DarkStar1> Hi everyone. I am having an issue with
libicu in stretch. It's required for the compilation of
LibreOffice but the compilation fails due with the following error
message:
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809[10:40:31] <DarkStar1> It sees this problem haas happened
before:
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810[10:40:32] <judd> Bug
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812[10:40:47] <DarkStar1> but that was 4 years-ish ago
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815[10:43:25] <BlessJah> Shouldn't kernel 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
report bugs:cpu_insecure in /proc/cpuinfo on Intel Xeon?
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817[10:43:52] <DarkStar1> Is there a way to find out which
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819[10:44:22] <babilen> BlessJah: No, that's not part of
that patch series
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821[10:44:50] <babilen> (for 4.9)
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823[10:45:30] <BlessJah> is patches on 4.9 as good as it's
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825[10:46:34] <babilen> I'd personally run 4.14 if a
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826[10:46:55] <babilen> But it really depends on the workload
and I would test it - What kind of system is this?
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829[10:47:26] <BlessJah> NFS for backups
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834[10:49:35] <babilen> BlessJah: 4.9 should be perfectly fine
in terms of this patch series
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835[10:49:42] <BlessJah> kk, thanks
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884[11:13:04] <turlando> Hello everybody
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887[11:13:38] <zprd> hi debian people
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888[11:13:41] <turlando> I'm trying to rebuild a debian
package and I'm having a hard time finding the sources for
debian packages
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889[11:13:47] <turlando> Can somebody give me some pointer?
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892[11:14:06] <zprd> sources or resources?
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893[11:14:11] <Drzacek> Hello
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894[11:14:26] <themill> turlando: apt-get source exists for a
reason
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897[11:15:14] <Drzacek> A friend of mine told me about something
called "meltdown" and "spectre". Has debian been
patched already, or do I have to do something by myself?
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898[11:15:30] <zprd> yes
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899[11:15:50] <zprd> a reboot if not yet done
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901[11:16:10] <temy> Only meltdown yet
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902[11:16:19] <turlando> themill, zprd: what I'm trying to
achieve is repackaging a Java (sigh) application already present in
the debian repos, but from a different upstream, can apt-get source
and dpkg-buildpackage do the trick?
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903[11:16:22] <temy> Spectre is still being worked on
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904[11:16:23] <zprd> (if you update frequently)
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905[11:16:53] <Drzacek> zprd, just started my pc first after 2
weeks
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906[11:16:59] <temy> (I updated my repos, so I am sure the patch
for Spectre is not yet done)
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907[11:17:18] <zprd> Drzacek: well apt update , upgrade reboot
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908[11:17:30] <Drzacek> updating now
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909[11:17:34] <themill> turlando: what are you really trying to
achieve here?
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910[11:17:48] <Drzacek> is the patch in new kernel image?
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912[11:18:05] <temy> Also, prepare for your machine to suffer
from performance loss, but you can disable the separation of the
user and kernel in boot time
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916[11:18:35] <turlando> themill do you need more info?
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918[11:18:52] <temy> Mitigating Spectre will really impact
performance, heard about the iPhone 6 suffering performance loss due
to a patch against Spectre?
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919[11:18:53] <Drzacek> temy, so I heard. I hope it won't
be very noticeable
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920[11:19:02] <zprd> Drzacek: on going work
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921[11:19:29] <Drzacek> temy, iphone 6 is suffering performance
losses after EACH update, sooo
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923[11:19:43] <themill> turlando: yes, dealing with
hypotheitcals is tedious and much harder than a concrete example
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924[11:19:52] <temy> Mitigating Meltdown, I don't notice
any performance loss in my laptop
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925[11:19:52] <temy> So probably it's Spectre
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926[11:20:27] <turlando> themill I'm building a Debian
image for AWS and I need to ship a Java software with that, but I
don't want to just unpack the whole thing in /opt and forget
about it, I would really like to make a debian package
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927[11:20:56] <turlando> The software we're talking about
is zookeeper, which is already present in the repos, but I want to
be able to build the package from sources
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928[11:20:56] <temy> Drzacek: Debian said there may be a
performance impact, so it's still caused by the patch
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929[11:20:56] <zprd> temy: no noticable perf loss for
'regular' desktop usage
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931[11:21:15] <zprd> not yet :D
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933[11:21:33] <themill> turlando: what is it though?
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935[11:21:44] <turlando> themill sorry?
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936[11:21:52] <temy> Even when I am synchronizing with the
dogecoin network using bootstrap.dat, I still don't see any
difference
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937[11:21:57] <themill> "a Java application"
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938[11:22:08] <turlando> themill >The software we're
talking about is zookeeper, which is already present in the repos,
but I want to be able to build the package from sources
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939[11:22:09] <temy> zprd: It's still slow as intended
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940[11:22:23] <zprd> question: docker.io is no more in stretch,
any prefered way to install docker?
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942[11:22:44] <themill> turlando: with different options or a
different version?
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943[11:22:55] <turlando> themill different version for now
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944[11:23:14] <temy> zprd: You can use jessie's repo and
lower jessie's priority
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945[11:23:16] <themill> you're allowed to tell me which one
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946[11:23:52] <temy> zprd: That way you can still run Stretch
with Jessie-exclusive software
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947[11:24:00] <turlando> themill we're already using 2.4.9
in production and for now I want to stick with that but in the very
near future we'll need to upgrade to the latest stable
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949[11:24:28] <turlando> themill, I managed to make a very clean
and nice work repackaging the Java version we're using with
make-jpkg and I'd like to do something similar for zookeeper
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951[11:24:44] <themill> turlando: so trying to go backwards to a
much older version. (there's a first for everything!)
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952[11:25:09] <indistylo> All of sudden my audio stopped
working, Seems some sound card issue > My initial troubleshooting
didn't worked, for driver details see this please :
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955[11:25:35] <zprd> temy: ok, thx. but that will keep me from
updating jenkins, who complains about the old version of docker 1.6
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956[11:25:36] <themill> turlando: you can start with the
existing debian packaging for zookeeper but there's a good
chance that it won't work for such a large version difference.
It might be easier to package it from scratch, taking inspiration
from the debian package where you can
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958[11:25:57] <zprd> (needs at least 1.7 I think)
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960[11:26:26] <themill> turlando: if you can currently compile
it with make (or ant or similar) then "checkinstall" might
be the easiest way to get a .deb that you can copy around
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962[11:26:55] <turlando> thanks a lot themill, I'll check
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963[11:26:57] <temy> zprd: This Serverfault question might help
you:
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964[11:27:35] <turlando> themill On freebsd I could grab the
make file and tweak it a bit, I was trying to understand which is
the best way of doing such a thing in debian
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966[11:27:52] <temy> Just don't use testing and sid if you
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967[11:28:18] <themill> turlando: not really true. If the
makefile was designed for such a wildly different version it
wouldn't magically work
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969[11:28:46] <zprd> o/
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970[11:28:52] <themill> turlando: 3.2.2 was the earliest version
of zookeeper that was packaged and 2.4.9 could be compiling
different binaries, putting files/libraries/resources in different
places etc
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974[11:30:32] <turlando> themill I'm not expecting it to
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1001[11:40:31] <goooo> is this possible to check the lsit ofall
clients which connected (in the past) via bluetooth?
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1008[11:44:23] <JustASlacker> doubt it
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1009[11:44:45] <JustASlacker> might be in syslog
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1010[11:44:49] <gpunk> worth a check, look at the files in
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1011[11:45:03] <JustASlacker> but depending how long ago, it
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1089[12:14:41] <turtlehat> hello, i was wondering, if i from
hostA have an ssh session1 with hostB, can log in a second time from
hostA and view ongoings of session1 in realtime?
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1095[12:16:09] <gpunk> short answer, is no ...
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1096[12:16:24] <gpunk> but you can use the screen program
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1100[12:17:46] <turtlehat> but does that involve starting
session1 with screen, or can i use screen after the fact to peek in
an already running session?
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1102[12:18:12] <gpunk> no, u need screen already runing
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1103[12:18:20] <turtlehat> right
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1104[12:18:24] <indistylo> All of sudden my audio stopped
working, it say "Dummy output" Seems some sound card issue
> My initial troubleshooting didn't worked, for driver
details see this please :
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1108[12:19:11] <turtlehat> i was hoping i could output to both
sessions
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1109[12:19:14] <turtlehat> sort of like tee
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1110[12:19:49] <turtlehat> but after the fact
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1136[12:28:35] <Iridos> I was wondering why I couldn't
install a thunderbird language package, then noticed I don't
have the latest version from security.d.o and upgrades just do
nothing… and finally I found that it is indeed pinned to a
specific version and that apparently apt-listbugs did that:
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1138[12:29:22] <Iridos> I guess that apt-listbugs asked me if I
would want to install the version with that bug and I said
"n"
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1141[12:29:45] <Iridos> but I wasn't aware that it would pin
the package on that version… pretty much forever?
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1142[12:29:51] <Iridos> How is that mechanism supposed to work?
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1147[12:31:32] <Kelsar> Hi, since the last Kernel Update on
Jessie /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean segfaults, funny enough called
with sh -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean it does not.
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1148[12:31:36] <Iridos> It looks like I am supposed to remove
that file manually… but as I wasn't even aware that
it's pinned, that doesn't seem like a very good procedure
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1151[12:33:00] <FinalX> anyone know from the top of their head
what kernel flag to use to disable the kernel/user page isolation
patch when it's enabled due to having a vulnerable CPU?
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1152[12:33:02] <Iridos> maybe sessionclean has #!/bin/bash
… and it's fine when you execute it in dash
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1154[12:33:27] <Iridos> I don't see a sessionclean in debian
repos… is it possible that that's from dotdeb?
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1155[12:34:16] <FinalX> it does come from debian's own
php5-common
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1156[12:34:36] <FinalX> or at least, the original debian package
has it. not sure if dotdeb does, too.
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1157[12:35:01] <FinalX> (it's working fine for us, though)
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1159[12:35:32] <FinalX> ...but we're running that in
LXC-containers, and the host is Ubuntu, not Debian (and thus not
jessie).
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1160[12:36:29] <FinalX> ah, nopti is the kernel flag
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1162[12:37:42] <koollman> FinalX: pti=off, I think
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1163[12:37:55] <koollman> but there are variations in the patches
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1164[12:38:24] <FinalX> oh
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1165[12:38:59] <koollman> actually both should work
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1170[12:40:38] <Kelsar> Iridos: should be in php-common as far as
i searched. it happens with any shell that way, with -x ok, without
segfault. looks likeome timing thing
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patch/doc online
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1178[12:42:31] <Kelsar> and the other server is wheezy... i just
noticed
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1180[12:44:32] <koollman> Kelsar: basically, look for
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1184[12:45:51] <Kelsar> koollman: was just doing that, funny
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1192[12:48:31] <Kelsar> oh, nvm that one has not that problem...
just slipped into the mails from the others...
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1206[12:57:49] <Kelsar> simple strace, segfault with not enough
information, strace with -f runs fine...
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1217[13:04:41] <shtrb> should HDMI work during grub menu ?
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1219[13:05:40] <tmm88> hey guys
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1221[13:05:50] <tmm88> how do i install poco 1.6.0 on debian
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1222[13:05:50] <tmm88> ?
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1223[13:05:53] <tmm88> thank you
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1225[13:06:53] <gpunk> a library ?
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1226[13:06:58] <tmm88> yes
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1227[13:07:05] <tmm88> but i need an old version
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1229[13:07:11] <shtrb> ,v poco
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1230[13:07:12] <judd> No package named 'poco' was found
in amd64.
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1231[13:07:13] <tmm88> namely poco 1.6.0
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1232[13:07:23] <gpunk> ,v libpoco
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1233[13:07:24] <judd> No package named 'libpoco' was
found in amd64.
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1234[13:07:30] <tmm88> there is i was already able to install it
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1235[13:07:36] <tmm88> but i need version 1.6.0
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1236[13:07:42] <gpunk> ,v libpoco-dev
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1237[13:07:43] <judd> Package: libpoco-dev on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.3.6p1-4; wheezy-security: 1.3.6p1-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.3.6p1-5;
stretch: 1.7.6+dfsg1-5; buster: 1.8.0.1-1; sid: 1.8.0.1-1
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1238[13:07:44] <tmm88> because the current version
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1239[13:07:54] <tmm88> is not compatible with openssl
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1240[13:07:58] <shtrb> there is no 1.6 in deb repos
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1241[13:08:20] <gpunk> :(
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1242[13:08:35] <tmm88> so is there a way to add an externall ppa
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1243[13:08:37] <tmm88> to fix this
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1244[13:08:39] <shtrb> tmm88, are you ready to backport 1.6 and
push it to wheezy ?
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1245[13:08:41] <shtrb> ppa?!?!
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1246[13:08:43] <tmm88> and install the version 1.6
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1247[13:08:53] <shtrb> !ubuntu
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1248[13:08:53] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1249[13:08:54] <tmm88> or deb package
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1250[13:08:55] <gpunk> ppa is for ubuntu
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1251[13:09:12] <tmm88> ok
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1252[13:09:14] <tmm88> i see it
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1253[13:09:24] <tmm88> so how can i add a deb package
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1255[13:09:30] <gpunk> you could get the source, and compile it
...
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1257[13:09:39] <tmm88> /etc/pat
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1259[13:09:40] <shtrb> tmm88, can you verify if 1.7 or 1.3 work
for you ?
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1260[13:10:05] <tmm88> shtrb: i will get the source of 1.6.0 and
compile it
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1261[13:10:07] <tmm88> thank you
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1266[13:12:02] <jelly> tmm88: what do you mean, not compatible
with openssl?
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1268[13:12:08] <jelly> ,depends libpoconetssl46
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1269[13:12:09] <judd> Package libpoconetssl46 in stretch/amd64 --
depends: libpocofoundation46 (= 1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libpococrypto46 (=
1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libpoconet46 (= 1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libpocoutil46 (=
1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libssl1.1
(>= 1.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2).
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1270[13:12:26] <jelly> this thing is built against openssl 1.1
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1271[13:12:51] <tmm88> yes but i need the openssl version
compatible with openframeworks
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1272[13:13:05] <tmm88> to be able to compile openframeworks
examples properly on linux
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1273[13:13:19] <tmm88> otherwise they won't compiel
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1274[13:13:31] <jelly> and what, openframeworks does not support
openssl 1.1 at all?
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1275[13:13:51] <tmm88> it needs the poco version 1.6 to compile
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1276[13:13:57] <tmm88> otherwise it doesn't compile
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1277[13:14:13] <tmm88> jelly: i think the source maintainers of
openframeworks are mostly mac os users
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1279[13:14:32] <tmm88> on mac i don't have any problems
compiling this
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1281[13:14:41] <tmm88> but on linux it becomes quite tricky
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1284[13:15:36] <jelly> it will be easier to go back to debian 8
if you need to build against libssl1.0.0 right now, but then you
need to build your own poco again
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1291[13:17:28] <tmm88> jelly: i prefer to get everything fixed on
debian 9
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1292[13:17:39] <tmm88> it may be a bit trickier but it may be
worth it
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1293[13:17:48] <tmm88> i learn something on the way about
debugging
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1294[13:17:57] <tmm88> and compiling apps on linux from source
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1295[13:18:03] <tmm88> who knows if in the future
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1296[13:18:12] <tmm88> i will be adding packages to debian
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1297[13:18:15] <shtrb> tmm88 , maybe it would be less hassle to
port the openframeworks to a newer version /
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1298[13:18:16] <tmm88> :D
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1301[13:20:07] <tmm88> it demands c++ knowledge and computer
graphics knowledge and shell scripting knowledge that i don't
have
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1303[13:20:25] <tmm88> among other thigs - cmake, etc.
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1304[13:20:28] <MrGrymReaper> Hello. Does any one know where
debian 9 keeps its dconf profile files please?
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1310[13:21:55] <jelly> tmm88: you could install libssl1.0-dev and
try to build poco with old openssl.
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1316[13:22:40] <MrGrymReaper> I'm planning on trying to
utilise Gnome Lockdown features but need to know where dconf
profiles are in Debian 9. It's location isn't in any deb
package files from having searched using packages.debian.org.
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1326[13:24:46] <shtrb> Anyone about the hdmi ?
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1334[13:26:11] <Kelsar> shtrb: usually yes, but depends on your
firmware
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1340[13:27:11] <shtrb> In that case I'm totally lost, the
moment grub finish and kernel loads the HDMI outout works great
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1341[13:27:14] <u0_a195> tes
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1342[13:27:25] <shtrb> Is there a firmware I need to install for
grub to allow it ?
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1346[13:27:51] <jelly> grub relies on VGA BIOS to set up things
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1359[13:29:45] <shtrb> I'm with UEFI, and no VGA output on
the system
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1361[13:31:33] <MrGrymReaper> I'm currently looking for the
equivilent to /etc/dconf/db on Debian 9. Does anyone know where it
is located please?
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1362[13:31:47] <u0_a195> i dont know
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1365[13:33:03] <abrotman> MrGrymReaper: might help us to tell us
what it does ...
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1366[13:33:21] <petn-randall> MrGrymReaper: I don't think
you should be editing it by hand, but using dconf-cli or
dconf-editor for this.
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1369[13:33:51] <fiet> I am running 3.16.0-042stab127.2 kernel on
x86_64 GNU/Linux. I want to install a linux-image package so I get
the latest version. However, I noticed that there are a lot of amd64
packages installed, which makes no sense to me. Can anyone explain
this
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1370[13:34:17] <BCMM> fiet: amd64 is (for practical purposes)
synonymous with x86_64
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1371[13:34:24] <fiet> So, not really sure which linux-image
package to select. It's a VPS without console access. :-/
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1372[13:34:38] <fiet> BCMM: Did not know that!
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1373[13:35:13] <fiet> So linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64/stable would
be the one to go for?
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1374[13:35:31] <MrGrymReaper> I need it in this form as I'm
going be sending backup copies of this file to another location on
network for file backup purposes. And going to be using Gnome
Lockdown and the way it is documented in the desktop
environment's wiki has it in a done by hand fashion using a
text editor.
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1375[13:35:33] <abrotman> You likely can't change the kernel
on your VPS
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1376[13:36:13] <BCMM> fiet: yes
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1377[13:36:25] <fiet> abrotman: That would explain things. I had
a VPS running Jessie and upgraded to Stretch. Kernel was still on
the Jessie version.
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1381[13:37:35] <BCMM> fiet: "64-bit x86" was actually
invented first by amd - at the time people started moving towards
64-bit computing, intel was working on the failed itanium
architecture (IA-64), which was not backwards compatible with x86
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1382[13:37:39] <gpunk> that is not normal
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1383[13:37:56] <gpunk> (old kernel kept)
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1387[13:38:59] <BCMM> fiet: so on a modern intel cpu, you want
linux-image-amd64
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1394[13:40:29] <shtrb> but you might wish to avoid modern intel
cpus :)
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1395[13:40:58] <fiet> Thanks guys. I'll give it a try.
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1397[13:41:08] <abrotman> fiett ...
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1398[13:41:13] <tmm88> still get some weird error with
crypto-libexec package
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1399[13:41:25] <tmm88> does someone know what it may be and how
can i fix this
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1400[13:41:25] <tmm88> ?
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1410[13:44:25] <MrGrymReaper> I need it in this form as I'm
going be sending backup copies of this file to another location on
network for file backup purposes. And going to be using Gnome
Lockdown and the way it is documented in the desktop
environment's wiki has it in a done by hand fashion using a
text editor. As seen on this wiki article
replaced-url
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1411[13:44:33] <fiet> weird. Just installed linux-image-amd64,
which installed linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64. Rebooted again to
3.16.0-042stab127.2
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1413[13:44:54] <fiet> Maybe it's a VPS thing after all
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1414[13:45:14] <petn-randall> fiet: I'm fairly sure it is,
they always boot their own kernels.
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1415[13:45:48] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: what kernel is default under
the bootloader?
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1416[13:46:05] <fiet> petn-randall: Yes, I realized that. I hoped
that by upgrading to Deb9 that would work.
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1419[13:46:40] <fiet> petn-randall: Another weird thing. I
can't even find a bootloader.
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1420[13:46:42] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: In other words is the 3.16
kernel the default boot option or is 4.9.0-5-amd default?
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1421[13:46:51] <fiet> 3.16 is default
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1422[13:47:01] <fiet> It's default for Debian 8 though.
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1423[13:47:09] <fiet> 4.9 is default for debian 9
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1425[13:47:51] <fiet> I have a VPS that came with debian 8,
upgraded it to debian 9 (no problems whatsoever), but still am stuck
with the 3.16 kernel.
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1426[13:47:51] <MrGrymReaper> So if you want the 4.9.0-5 to be
default under Debian 9 then the boot loader options need to be set
so that it has taking precencendence.
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1427[13:48:47] <fiet> MrGrymReaper: Yes, bit I have a feeling
that is being overwritten. I'll check it with the company that
sodl me this
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1429[13:49:29] <MrGrymReaper> If VPS see if there is an updated
server image based on Debian 9 available. Or boot from 4.9 kernel,
purge the old 3.16 completely then update the grub.
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1431[13:50:25] <MrGrymReaper> If there isn't an updated
Debian 9 image then request one to be created from the server
provider - if a hosting company.
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1432[13:50:41] <jelly> grub will default to the kernel with the
latest version
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1436[13:51:16] <jelly> if ISP makes any changes to the boot
loader or does not use the boot loader inside VPS at all, then yeah
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1438[13:51:30] <fiet> Yes, but the thing is: There is no grub.
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1439[13:51:57] <fiet> So I guess I am stuck with it.
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1440[13:52:25] <jelly> contact your provider, then
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1441[13:52:55] <fiet> Yes, I will do that. Thanks to all of you.
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1444[13:53:31] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: Mention Spectre and Meltdown
to them too. So then can update to the newer kernel.
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1450[13:54:16] <fiet> LOL, I'm sure they're aware.
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1451[13:54:59] <petn-randall> Chances are they don't support
stretch yet and'll just give you an updated 3.16 kernel. :)
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1455[13:55:31] <fiet> Yes, it's updated: 3.16.0-042stab127.2
#1 SMP Thu Jan 4 16:41:44 MSK 2018
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1457[13:56:01] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: Official vulnerability
website here -
replaced-url
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1459[13:57:17] <MrGrymReaper> As in it is a hardware based
security vulnerability.
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1461[13:57:30] <fiet> MrGrymReaper: Yes, that's true. I
haven't got the detals clear, but as it's a hardware
issue, I'd think that should not be solved by patching
VM's, but by fixing the hypervisor.
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1465[13:58:24] <MrGrymReaper> The problem can't be fixed
only mitigated.
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1469[13:59:12] <shtrb> fiest, don't invest time VMware and
others had their own vuln
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1470[13:59:29] <fiet> Well, the could replace the CPU's, but
I don't see that happening.
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1471[13:59:43] <jelly> there's nothing to replace the CPUs
with
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1472[13:59:50] <fiet> yet
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1473[13:59:56] <shtrb> raspberi pies
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1474[14:00:06] <fiet> Gotta go for now. Thanks all, for thinking
out loud.
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1476[14:00:17] <JyZyXEL> yeah, plenty of in-order gear still on
the market?
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1477[14:00:17] <zack6849> yes, replace a processor with a small
devellopment board
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1478[14:00:19] <colo-work> I've got an AMD 80486-compatible
to sell you
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1479[14:00:20] <shtrb> all running inferno to create one big
monster
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1480[14:00:21] <zack6849> that'll work great.
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1481[14:00:33] <MrGrymReaper> The mitigation on the hardware host
would require and BIOS/firmware update and os update. Along with
your VPS as the operation system of software won't afterwords
be working without it too.
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1483[14:00:58] <shtrb> zack6849. a few of them with
inferno+debian sound like a good pc
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1484[14:01:19] <eck> how do i change my timezone
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1485[14:01:21] <jelly> MrGrymReaper: VPS will work unchanged.
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1486[14:01:22] <zack6849> shtrb: compute cluster != replacement
CPU for virtualization server
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1487[14:01:29] <zack6849> eck: very carefully
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1488[14:01:30] <eck> there's like a systemd thing to do it
now right
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1489[14:01:37] <jelly> !tz
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1490[14:01:38] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local
time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian
systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively:
"cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that
tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute
"service postfix restart" to update localtime in the
chroot.
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1491[14:01:39] <eck> ah i found it, timedatectl
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1492[14:01:43] <zack6849> :)
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1493[14:02:03] <shtrb> zack6849, I thought inferno gave you a
single image behaviour
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1494[14:02:09] <zack6849> idunno
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1495[14:02:15] <zack6849> I dont know what inferno is
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1496[14:02:23] <zack6849> but you mentioned rasberry pis and
chaining them together
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1497[14:02:28] <zack6849> i assumed a compute cluster style thing
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1502[14:03:06] <gladioacuto_> hi there
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1503[14:03:19] <shtrb> It expected to present an in terface as if
it one big machine
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1505[14:03:30] <gladioacuto_> I need gcc-5 and g++-5. Ho to
instal on stretch? They are only available in sid..
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1507[14:03:58] <eck> huh
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1508[14:04:00] <shtrb> ,v gcc-5
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1510[14:04:01] <judd> Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.5.0-6
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1512[14:04:12] <shtrb> gladiocuto_, did you check backports ?
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1514[14:04:28] <eck> or just build from source, gcc6 should be
able to build gcc5
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1515[14:04:32] <gladioacuto_> shtrb, yes, but it is not in
stretch backports
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1516[14:04:46] <eck> you want like a forwardport
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1518[14:05:06] <gladioacuto_> eck, it seems to be so ;)
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1559[14:28:03] <Kelsar> found what makes the segfault...
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1560[14:28:04] <Kelsar> PHP_INI_SCAN_DIR=/etc/php5/cli/conf.d/
php5 -c /etc/php5/cli/php.ini -d error_reporting='~E_ALL'
-r 'foreach(ini_get_all("session") as $k => $v)
echo
"$k=".$v["local_value"]."\n";'
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1564[14:29:33] <Kelsar> but i don't have any clue why...
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1595[14:42:28] <altab> hello, I just flashed TWRP on my Oneplus
5T and it won't boot on recovery, I used this TWRP version
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1596[14:42:44] <altab> any idea?
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1597[14:43:18] <shtrb> not a debian dist
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1599[14:43:26] <altab> oups
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1600[14:43:32] <altab> sorry I thought I was on #android
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1619[14:52:22] <bumbar_> i'm trying to install a package
(apache2-dev) but am having unmet dependencies. trying to install
each of those separately shows that a higher version is to be
installed and i'm not sure how to fix it
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1621[14:52:39] <bumbar_> i've tried "apt clean"
and "apt install -f" but don't seem to work
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1622[14:52:47] <bumbar_> here's the apt output:
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1625[14:53:21] <shtrb> Did you mess with sources (mixing testing
and stable)
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1627[14:54:01] <shtrb> also check your sources.list and do
apt-get update
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1634[15:00:43] <bumbar_> i've ran update many times. i did
some pinning and probably mixed something,
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1640[15:02:08] <bumbar_> sources.list looks okish(?) to me,
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1645[15:05:56] <shtrb> I don't like the non debian source
there
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1651[15:07:55] <oo_miguel> any ideas how I can fix the uzbl
driver on my 4k display. everything is ultra-tiny :(
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1653[15:08:02] <oo_miguel> ah.. uzbl browser
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1654[15:08:47] <gpunk> try CTRL-mouse roll down/up
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1658[15:10:39] <oo_miguel> +/- "zooms" but only
individual texts/labels so everything gets overlapped
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1660[15:12:02] <Earl_a> !admin
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1664[15:13:53] <bumbar_> shtrb, did you mean hetzner, docker or
steadfast?
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1665[15:14:00] <Gerowen> Is it possible to do a UEFI install for
Debian 9? The documentation I've found states that Debian 9
doesn't support UEFI, but I recently did a UEFI boot of the Net
Installer and it specifically had a menu that said "UEFI
Menu", and it allowed me to install Debian, but the installed
system won't boot.
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1666[15:14:18] <Gerowen> I'm just curious if there's a
patch, a special walk-through, etc.
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1668[15:15:15] <JustASlacker> really? that would surprise me
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1670[15:15:21] <JustASlacker> even slackware supports uefi
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1675[15:17:12] <Gerowen> Yeah, and especially since there's
a specific UEFI boot menu for the install disc, I'm guessing
either I've configured something wrong in my BIOS or I've
done something wrong. UEFI isn't exactly a new thing any more.
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1676[15:17:14] <BCMM> Gerowen: where do the docs say it
doesn't do uefi?
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1679[15:17:41] <Gerowen> I'll have to do some googling to
find the article if you'd like me to, but it was a news article
regarding the initial release of Debian 9.
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1681[15:17:53] <BCMM> Gerowen: i've got sid booting with
uefi here
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1683[15:18:10] <Gerowen> So it's something I've
configured improperly and need to revisit.
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1684[15:18:14] <BCMM> i did have to fiddle with it a bit, because
the installer wanted to install grub-pc instead of grub-efi
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1685[15:18:19] <BCMM> had to chroot and fix that after the
install
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1686[15:18:30] <BCMM> but i think that's my fault
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1688[15:18:57] <BCMM> because i accidentally booted the install
CD in legacy mode rather than efi mode
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1692[15:20:05] <MrGrymReaper> I need it in this form as I'm
going be sending backup copies of this file to another location on
network for file backup purposes. And going to be using Gnome
Lockdown and the way it is documented in the desktop
environment's wiki has it in a done by hand fashion using a
text editor. As seen on this wiki article
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1697[15:20:30] <BCMM> Gerowen: oh i missed the bit where you
already installed the system
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1698[15:20:41] <BCMM> Gerowen: yeah, just use any working live
environment to chroot and install grub-efi basically
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1701[15:22:32] <Gerowen> BCMM: Alrighty that should make things
easy then. I did notice that it installed grub at the end of the
installer, so I'll give that a shot and see how it goes, thanks
for the suggestion, :-)
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1704[15:22:57] <bumbar_> shtrb, i did "apt upgrade -t
testing" and now everything upgraded and installed smoothly.
hopefully i didn't break something in the future... thanks for
your time :)
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1705[15:23:02] <Gerowen> I could have sworn that I'd had
Debian 8 doing UEFI in the past, but it has been a year or two and
I've been using Windows 10 to do some gaming, so I
couldn't quite remember.
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1706[15:23:10] <BCMM> Gerowen: you partitioned gpt, not dos-style
mbr, right?
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1708[15:25:20] <Gerowen> BCMM: I let it do the partitioning
automatically; it's a laptop so I wasn't particularly
picky about how it partitioned it. I'll boot the live
environment and double check to make sure.
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1712[15:26:32] <BCMM> Gerowen: ok. a lot of motherboards will not
see the EFI system partition if it's not on a GPT disk
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1713[15:26:55] <BCMM> Gerowen: also, if you did automatic
partitioning i guess you won't have the gpt system partition
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1717[15:27:18] <BCMM> (it worked out for me because it's a
dual-boot system and i'd already manually created it i think)
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1720[15:28:08] <JustASlacker> yeah, need that /boot vfat thingy
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1722[15:29:31] <BCMM> yup
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1725[15:31:36] <BCMM> actually i think i just used the efi
partition the windows installer created
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1726[15:31:50] <BCMM> which is much bigger than it needs to be
because fat32 is a silly format with weird limitation
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1729[15:33:11] <Gerowen> I tried it on my Dell laptop the other
day and it didn't work so I just hadn't messed with it
since then, but I built my wife a PC earlier this year and put
Windows 10 on it for her. She has been using it a while but last
night she asked me to put Debian back on it for her, so Clonezilla
is making a backup right now and figured I'd get my ducks in a
row before I tried a UEFI installation on her rig since I had issues
with the laptop.
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1746[15:38:20] <marsje> Hi all. I have a problem getting
roundcube to work on my newly upgraded debian stretch machine. I
think it's related to the mysql/mariadb upgrade and dbconfig.
This is what I get:
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1748[15:39:44] <shtrb> bumbar_, beware , and drop the stable from
there
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1750[15:42:17] <FinalX> marsje: seems to install just fine for me
in a docker container with stock stretch. maybe some packages
didn't get upgraded? do keep in mind that jessie didn't
have PHP 7.0, and in PHP 7.0 MySQL changed, there's no more
"mysql", only "mysqli", "mysqlnd" and
"pdo_mysql"
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1751[15:42:25] <FinalX> so that might be it
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1752[15:42:45] <shtrb> and remove the docker sources
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1754[15:42:57] <FinalX> (it _is_ complaining about an unsupported
database driver, after all)
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1761[15:44:35] <Mikw> Ist there a linux-generic package for
Debian?
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1766[15:46:22] <marsje> FinalX: what do you suggest I do to get a
clean install? I already tried removing roundcube, purging the
database from mysql and reinstall, but that doesn't work.
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1769[15:47:00] <BCMM> Mikw: nope, that's an ubuntu thing
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1772[15:47:55] <jelly> Mikw: you probably want linux-image-amd64
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1773[15:48:09] <jelly> and you probably have it installed already
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1775[15:48:15] <Mikw> So, how can I install the latest Kernel?
What package do I Need? Packet.net Injects a Kernel
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1776[15:48:27] <Mikw> Thanks
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1780[15:49:53] <FinalX> marsje: I think that all you need to do
is double-check your roundcube config, I'm not sure as I
don't use it from the package repo. Somewhere the drive is
probably specified as "mysql", that might need changing to
"mysqli" or some other new one.
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1781[15:50:22] <shtrb> Anyone have an idea how to get rid of the
issue that makes the blue font rendered similarly to green in
hexchat ?
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1782[15:50:44] <jelly> blue font?
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1783[15:50:56] <jelly> screenshot and point out the issue?
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1785[15:51:10] <FinalX> marsje: I'll create a jessie
container and have a look, give me a moment
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1790[15:52:33] <FinalX> hmm, roundcube roundcube-core
roundcube-mysql don't exist in jessie for me.
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1797[15:55:32] <marsje> FinalX: hmm, let me check my apt sources
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1800[15:56:47] <marsje> FinalX: maybe I got it from
jessie-backports?
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1804[15:58:25] <FinalX> marsje: hm, could be. in your paste it
says you "deleted" (or never created)
/etc/roundcube/debian-db.php, it does exist for me with
username/password and database type in it. both in that and in
/etc/dbconfig-common/roundcube.conf dbtype is set to
"mysql", though.
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1807[15:59:39] <FinalX> maybe you should give
'dpkg-reconfigure roundcube' a try, or
'dpkg-reconfigure roundcube-core' .. probably that last
one will help more
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1808[15:59:56] <marsje> FinalX: my /etc/roundcube is empty, but
that makes sense since the installation failed
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1811[16:02:47] <FinalX> You could always try purging the packages
and then reinstalling them: apt remove --purge roundcube
roundcube-core roundcube-mysql && rm -rf /etc/roundcube
&& apt install roundcube roundcube-core roundcube-mysql
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1812[16:03:03] <marsje> FinalX: the reconfigure doesn't seem
to work. No sure why it says "Not replacing deleted config file
/etc/roundcube/debian-db.php"
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1814[16:03:20] <marsje> FinalX: ok, let me try that
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1817[16:03:46] <FinalX> You'll have to reconfigure it
entirely, but at this point I'm not sure that's a bad
thing :)
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1823[16:05:58] <marsje> FinalX: worked! apt-get install finished
succesfully.. I guess the --purge did the trick
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1827[16:08:01] <jaxchief_> Having a problem with php ./configure.
I have the libsystemd-dev package installed but getting
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1828[16:08:04] <marsje> FinalX: roundcube works... not quite sure
what his problem was, my I guess it was a bit too much to ask to
figure out and upgrade all the configs
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1831[16:10:53] <FinalX> marsje: I'm guessing that whatever
you had installed was from an outside repository and didn't
have the files that the newly installed Debian stock packages
expect. And at the same time, because it thought it was already
configured, it wasn't touching the existing config to update
it.
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1833[16:11:06] <FinalX> ..thus leaving it broken
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1839[16:14:55] <marsje> FinalX: that could be it. Thanks for your
help!
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1843[16:17:09] <moritz___> Hello. I am trying to get the newest
nvidia proprietary driver, but when doing an apt update i am stuck
on 375. These are the packages i have installed:
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1846[16:17:40] <moritz___> Are these the right packages to get
the newest possible driver (via the packages from the repo).
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1847[16:17:50] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
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1848[16:17:51] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.98-3~bpo9+1;
buster/non-free: 384.98-3; sid/non-free: 384.111-1;
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1850[16:18:22] <jelly> moritz___: if 384.98 is good enough for
you, you can try using that one from backports.
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1851[16:18:29] <FinalX> marsje: You're welcome :)
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1853[16:18:56] <jelly> moritz___: which debian release is this?
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1855[16:19:15] <moritz___> Debian 9 Stretch stable. This is not
next. :)
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1856[16:19:27] <jelly> dpkg, tell moritz___ about backports
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1857[16:19:31] <jelly> dpkg, tell moritz___ about
stretch-backports
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1864[16:21:18] <moritz___> Hmm that only has 384. Saw a stable
install with 385. That must have used the nvidia installer then?
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1868[16:22:19] <jelly> moritz___: you can try the build from
experimental. Maintainers for nvidia drivers _try_ to make it usable
on stable but it's not guaranteed to work.
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1870[16:22:45] <moritz___> Even the package from backports has
package conflicts.
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1871[16:22:53] <moritz___> (on this system)
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1874[16:24:00] <moritz___> Oh no my old nvdia issues were not
resolved.
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1907[16:37:51] <matglas> Good day. I would like to install the
3.2.96-3 version of the kernel mentioned in
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1908[16:38:20] <petn-randall> ,kernels
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1909[16:38:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid:
4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1);
stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-
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(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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1913[16:39:20] <matglas> petn-randall, it says 3.2.0-4-amd64 when
running uname -r
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1916[16:39:57] <petn-randall> matglas: Did you run 'apt-get
update && apt-get dist-upgrade'?
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1922[16:42:04] <matglas> I did the first. Not the latter :(
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1925[16:42:52] <Bobbix> Hi, can i customize debian 9 gui? font
type, size, windows behavior and so on?
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1928[16:43:25] <shtrb> the installer ?
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1929[16:43:27] <shtrb> or something else
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1930[16:43:32] <matglas> petn-randall, thanks
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1931[16:43:54] <petn-randall> matglas: The first only updates the
package lists, and does nothing to your system.
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1934[16:44:16] <petn-randall> matglas: If you never did the
latter, you have never installed security updates.
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1936[16:44:42] <shtrb> Will there be a seprate kernel for
nvidia's meltdown bug or it should be included in the linux cpu
meldown fix ?
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1937[16:44:48] <matglas> I did do apt-get upgrade
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1938[16:44:57] <matglas> And this system in inherited :(
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1939[16:45:26] <jelly> shtrb: what's "nvidia's
meltdown bug"?
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1940[16:45:36] <petn-randall> matglas: Ah, in that case you got
the most, probably just not kernel updates.
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1942[16:45:44] <shtrb> nvidia had their varient of the meldown
bug
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1943[16:45:47] <matglas> true I hit the jackpot
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1944[16:45:50] <jelly> shtrb: reference?
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1945[16:45:57] <shtrb>
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1946[16:45:58] <moritz___> Purged everything installed from
backports and now it might not be the most recent driver, but much
better.
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1947[16:46:33] <shtrb> jelly , I would take them with a grain of
salt (their "fix")
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1953[16:49:21] <moritz___> When running Ryzen then i only need
the nvidia patches for one variant, or none?
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1956[16:49:56] <moritz___> Ryzen is supposed to be affected by
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1965[16:53:33] <moritz___> Anyway the backports packages has the
fixes for Spectre:
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1966[16:53:35] <moritz___>
replaced-url
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1973[16:56:23] <tw> I wouldn't be surprised if nvidia's
embedded, on-gpu controller had speculative execution that they
don't talk about.
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1979[16:59:16] <jelly> shtrb: that seems to say "we
don't think our GPUs are exploitable, but we will issue drivers
with mitigations anyway"
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1990[17:04:00] <celyr> jelly, to me it seems we did fix the
driver
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1994[17:04:12] <celyr> since it runs in the kernel it's
quite normal
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1995[17:04:18] <BCMM> shtrb: that article makes it pretty clear
the the nvidia hardware wasn't affected
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1998[17:04:36] <celyr> they pushed in some repoline
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1999[17:04:36] <shtrb> Becuase of that (we sent our updates to
mitigate) I thought maybe there will be an update for either the
kernel or an exteranl pacakge (
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2001[17:04:41] <celyr> retpoline*
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2003[17:05:22] <retpoline> present!
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2004[17:05:23] <shtrb> BCMM, jelly, ok they are ammune but need
to push an update, the question remain will be there another kernel
fix for that ?
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2005[17:05:26] <BCMM> shtrb: it's likely something like the
driver had a spectre-based privilege escalation bug
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2006[17:05:38] <BCMM> shtrb: the update is for the driver
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2008[17:06:09] <BCMM> shtrb: a lot of software is being updated
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2010[17:07:05] <BCMM> i mean, almost any software that sits
between two levels of trust and allows the less-trusted side to
execute some kind of code in it
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2011[17:07:06] <shtrb> As clueless as I am, why would a non OS
need to change anything if the kernel already address the issue ?
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2012[17:07:32] <shtrb> * non kernel
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2013[17:07:51] <BCMM> shtrb: OS kernels have so far been patched
mostly to mitigate meltdown
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2017[17:08:05] <shtrb> ok , gpu can interact with the cpu without
OS need (*)
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2018[17:08:06] <BCMM> meltdown was the more severe problem but
the fix is comparatively straightforwards
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2021[17:08:17] <BCMM> well, not straightforwards, but can be done
in a single place
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2023[17:08:36] <BCMM> spectre potentially effects a *lot* of
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2025[17:08:51] <shtrb> so , the question remain should I need to
wait to somehthing other than the kernel fix ?
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2028[17:09:09] <BCMM> browsers have been patched because there
was a possibility of javascript from websites using timing attacks
to access other information the browser knows (like passwords!)
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2033[17:10:38] <somiaj> shtrb: if running stable and keeping up
on security updates, you are as protected as anyone.
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2034[17:11:05] <Gerowen> BCMM: Found the mistake I made before.
There's a question part-way through the install that basically
tells you it sees a DOS drive, and asks if you want to force EFI
installation anyway. I didn't notice that on the laptop and
left it set to "No", thinking it was the popularity
contest question. Debian 9 booted just fine in UEFI mode on my
wife's desktop just now.
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2038[17:11:51] <somiaj> and my understanding as of right now is
most the known attack vectores of spectre have been dealt with, but
as time goes on, more and more maybe found since it is a hardware
design issue.
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2039[17:12:23] * petn-randall wonders if that might delay Intel's
upcoming CPU generation.
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2040[17:13:19] <BCMM> petn-randall: they already launched a
generation that *they* knew had the vuln in, so it's pretty
clear they don't care
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BS line that the cpu is working exactly how it's supposed to
work and vulnerable software is to blame
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2056[17:17:10] <BCMM> shtrb: my point is that, like a browser, a
Windows graphics driver sits across a security boundary
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2063[17:18:05] <petn-randall> BCMM: Sure, they're
downplaying it, but Skylake was released around the time it was
discovered, so I they didn't have a chance to fix it in the
design cycle.
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2064[17:18:06] <BCMM> shtrb: and it's not out of the
question that a program using a graphics api might be able to use
timing attacks to trick the kernel side of that driver in to
revealing information it shouldn't
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2065[17:18:43] <BCMM> petn-randall: they're not just
downplaying it, they've clearly avoided saying whether it will
ever be fixed
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2066[17:19:03] <BCMM> personally i think they may not actually
have a plant yet, which is kind of scary
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2068[17:19:10] <BCMM> s/plant/plan/
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2069[17:19:33] <BCMM> or if they do, it's not widely known
within the company
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2081[17:25:40] <bolovanos> hithere
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2086[17:26:43] <BCMM> hihowareyou
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2088[17:27:04] <bolovanos> goodandu?
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2090[17:27:45] <bolovanos> deb 9 in virtualBox virtual, sometimes
python script for downloading html says "gaierror(-3,
'Temporary failure in name resolution')"
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2091[17:28:15] <bolovanos> wget for same url sais "wget:
unable to resolve host address "xyz.com"
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2092[17:28:20] <jelly> always for the same host, or for diferent
ones?
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2093[17:28:24] <bolovanos> same host
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2094[17:28:33] <jelly> which one?
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2096[17:28:46] <bolovanos> but on another virtual (VMware) wget
has no problem to download it
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2097[17:28:58] <bolovanos> another virtual is ubuntu 16.04
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2101[17:29:19] <jelly> can you tell us the actual hostname?
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2104[17:30:24] <RoyK> hostname -f
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2105[17:30:31] <bolovanos> Resolving xyz.com (xyz.com)... failed:
Temporary failure in name resolution. - it says on debian 9 virtual
also after wgeting that url
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2106[17:30:37] <jelly> RoyK: not that one, the one that does not
resolve
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2107[17:30:38] <bolovanos> jelly, anny - it is system wide
problem
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2108[17:30:44] <RoyK> oh
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2110[17:30:58] <bolovanos> I was trying getent hosts
replaced-url
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2111[17:31:21] <bolovanos> which returned translated IP without
any problem
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2112[17:32:04] <jelly> bolovanos: is there a difference between
/etc/resolv.conf contents on the debian 9 machine and the ubuntu
system that works?
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2113[17:32:07] <bolovanos> my suspicion is on virtualbox, but I
would like to be sure -
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2115[17:32:31] <bolovanos> jelly, probably yes - debian 9 is
bridged, ubuntu is nated
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2116[17:32:33] <bolovanos> wait
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2117[17:32:44] <jelly> !paste
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2118[17:32:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2119[17:34:00] <shtrb> bolobanos , in vbox you have several ways
how vm get address. if you are running your dhcp the ip might change
or you do your test while your are refreshing an ip
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2121[17:34:18] <bolovanos> ubuntu nameserver 127.0.1.1
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2122[17:34:18] <bolovanos> \n search localdomain
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2123[17:34:23] <shtrb> you might like to try to use a hardcoded
dns like 8.8.8.8 that should work
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2125[17:34:28] <bolovanos> debian nameserver 192.168.0.1
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2126[17:34:46] <bolovanos> which is my router
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2127[17:34:49] * jelly facepalms at ubuntu's dnsmasq
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2129[17:35:02] <shtrb> This mean that ubuntu vm has it's own
dns server localy
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2130[17:35:28] <shtrb> jelly, it could be intentionally .. he
might be running a dns server there (in the vm itself)
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2131[17:35:29] <BCMM> iirc ubuntu has local dns caching by
default
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2134[17:35:48] <jelly> shtrb: their NetworkManager setup brings
up dnsmasq almost always
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2135[17:35:59] <BCMM> hmm google thinks i'm wrong... which
distro am i thinking of then?
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2142[17:38:29] <shtrb> jelly thanks
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2143[17:38:37] * shtrb don't use ubuntu
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2148[17:40:11] <fujoor_> hey guys, I have a problem with midnight
commander, all my lines shows as X
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2150[17:40:36] <greycat> sounds like $TERM mismatch
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2151[17:40:38] <petn-randall> fujoor_: Are you accessing it via
putty or something?
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2152[17:40:40] <bolovanos> oki - where else should I look if this
happens again (it happens few times a day...)
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2153[17:40:50] <fujoor_> im running debian on a raspberry
computer with kodi
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2155[17:40:56] <greycat> !kodi
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2157[17:40:57] <dpkg> XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an
open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are
Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they
are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is
available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to
Kodi for v14.
replaced-url
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2158[17:40:57] <jelly> bolovanos: can you run "dig
replaced-url
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2161[17:41:07] <jelly> if you always* get a result
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2162[17:41:10] <fujoor_> greycat: it use to work great but
suddenly turned this way, i cant figure out what i did wrong
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2163[17:41:28] <jelly> bolovanos: dnsutils package if you
don't have it installed
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2164[17:41:32] <greycat> fujoor_: compare $TERM against the
actual terminal emulator being used, and then ask #kodi
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2167[17:41:55] <greycat> fujoor_: also remember that multiplexing
layers like screen/tmux matter.
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2168[17:42:18] <fujoor_> greycat: you speak a language i do not
understand, any ideas on where to start up reading on all the
terminology
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2170[17:42:35] <fujoor_> greycat: i dont use screen, i access it
directly through ssh
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2171[17:42:37] <greycat> "/join #kodi"
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2173[17:42:51] <fujoor_> greycat: but its a debian dist, i just
happens to have kodi installed
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2174[17:42:57] <greycat> *plonk*
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2175[17:43:16] <jelly> fujoor_: did you install actual debian, or
is it really raspbian or libreelec maybe?
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2177[17:43:41] <jelly> we can't (and don't) support
derivative distros in here
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2179[17:44:11] <jelly> kodi is basically just an app, probably
not the right place to ask
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2181[17:44:22] <greycat> Ah, the factoid is ... confusing.
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2182[17:44:24] <bolovanos> jelly, did it, saved result and will
try it when it happens again - then will compare it
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2183[17:44:42] <fujoor_> jelly: but my problem is the line
encoding in midnight commander, i suspect it has nothing to do with
which dist i use
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2186[17:45:11] <fujoor_> jelly: probably some utf-8 thingy i dont
understand how to get back to the way it was
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2187[17:45:17] <shtrb> if that not debian we can not help
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2189[17:45:33] <fujoor_> alright thanks guys, ill google away
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2192[17:45:41] <petn-randall> greycat: Debian also ships Kodi by
the way, it's great if you want to build your own media centre.
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2194[17:45:52] <jelly> fujoor_: I suspect availability of
terminfo entries (which are used to figure out how each terminal
emulator works, and what lines it uses) and locales (whcih determine
whether UTF lines are available) is VERY distro dependent
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2200[17:46:34] <in1t3r_> damn it I was replacing the network card
with other card from other laptop I have both ware intel cards and
it was working yesterday today after restart again no wifi internal
card no ethernet showing when I start the netinst cd it do not show
either of the interfaces except the damn dongle interface if I plug
it in.
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2201[17:47:50] <jelly> in1t3r_: is the wired ethernet card
visible in "lspci" output?
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2202[17:48:36] <jelly> in1t3r_: are you talking about wired or
wifi cards?
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2205[17:49:37] <in1t3r_> both man
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2207[17:49:48] <in1t3r_> they both disappeared
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2212[17:52:01] <in1t3r_> jelly,
replaced-url
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2214[17:52:38] <jelly> in1t3r_: I would power off, unplug battery
and power cable, power on again, see if your BIOS complains about
blacklisted cards. Some laptop vendors (Lenovo) don't like when
you replace miniPCIe cards with generic ones or something by a
different vendor
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2216[17:52:58] <in1t3r_> its i3 processor I know that intel have
moved one of the bridges or both inside of the CPU can this be cpu
related issue? As only thing that come tomy mind is that controler
is out
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2218[17:53:14] <in1t3r_> no both are intel
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2219[17:53:25] <in1t3r_> and it recognised it yesterday
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2221[17:53:41] <in1t3r_> also this is G 250 with i3 cpu 5th
generation
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2225[17:54:21] <in1t3r_> so vendor is HP also I do have just a
few settings like disable and enable the card in the bios their bios
is quite locked down
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2227[17:54:41] <in1t3r_> I will try what you recommended anyway
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2228[17:54:47] <jelly> intel is just manufacturer. Maybe your
system refuses non-HP cards in some situations
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2230[17:55:13] <in1t3r_> yeah cards are both from intel as vendor
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2231[17:55:17] <bolovanos> jelly, ok again ...
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2232[17:55:17] <bolovanos> dig google.com @192.168.0.1
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2233[17:55:18] <bolovanos> ; <<>> DiG
9.10.3-P4-Debian <<>> google.com @192.168.0.1
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2234[17:55:18] <bolovanos> ;; global options: +cmd
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2235[17:55:18] <bolovanos> ;; connection timed out; no servers
could be reached
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2238[17:55:35] <bolovanos> :(
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2239[17:55:43] <jelly> bolovanos: so something is wrong with your
router's dns recursor.
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2240[17:55:43] <in1t3r_> original is 3165NGW
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2242[17:55:54] <in1t3r_> and I put the 7265 also intel one
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2243[17:56:07] <greycat> If 192.168.0.1 is a plastic router, it
probably just forwards all requests to your ISP's resolvers.
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2245[17:56:31] <jelly> greycat: those forwarders can be and often
are horribly buggy
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2246[17:56:38] <greycat> Oh yes, I am aware.
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2247[17:57:09] <in1t3r_> well you can setup LEDE on the router or
opewrt :)
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2248[17:57:30] <shtrb> can you please just hardcoded 8.8.8.8
there
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2249[17:57:42] <shtrb> or setup sane dns system like bind8
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2250[17:57:46] <shtrb> *bind9
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2251[17:57:52] <greycat> When my ISP's resolvers stopped
responding, I told my plastic router to use 8.8.8.8 as our
network's preferred resolver. And then took my time setting up
dnscache on my desktop box, and then made that the primary, and
8.8.8.8 the secondary.
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2252[17:58:00] <in1t3r_> hahaha bind8 thats old :)
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2253[17:58:14] <bolovanos> plstrouter has setup this "DNS
Server: 81.92.155.1 , 8.8.8.8"
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2254[17:58:17] <jelly> bolovanos: stupid workaround: install a
proper recursor on debian (unbound, or pdns-recursor, fuck no not
bind) and let it resolve things on its own. No need to rely on
google's 8.8.8.8 public dns service.
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2255[17:58:27] <in1t3r_> dnsmasq could hepl too
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2257[17:58:50] <shtrb> bind to the masses !
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2258[17:58:52] <jelly> bind is overkill.
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2260[17:59:14] <in1t3r_> but he can have split horizon then with
bind :)
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2262[17:59:27] <jelly> he did not ASK for split dns.
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2263[17:59:32] <jelly> or she.
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2264[17:59:34] <in1t3r_> and serve the public ust joking
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2265[17:59:35] <bolovanos> he
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2269[18:00:36] <bolovanos> ok thank you guys will fix it with
your given hints :)
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2270[18:00:51] <jelly> bolovanos: you can also use those two
instead of going thru the router. 81.92.155.1 , 8.8.8.8 ...
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2271[18:00:54] <jelly> !override dns
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2272[18:00:55] <dpkg> To have dhclient use a specific nameserver
rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede
domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >>
/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also
use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in
dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i.
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2276[18:02:45] <shtrb> ,v bundy
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2277[18:02:46] <judd> No package named 'bundy' was
found in amd64.
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2278[18:02:52] <jelly> al maybe tell CoProSys people to use
better plastic routers?
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2283[18:05:17] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: ty (re: override dns)! best /
most looked forward to !blah i've seen in a while.
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2293[18:10:42] <in1t3r_> ok will tell you if there isanything
reported in bios
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2295[18:11:47] <jelly> Thinkpads complain at POST, dunno about
your platform
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2325[18:24:37] <oo_miguel> I use uzbl, which uses webkit.
unfortunatelly the fonts and websites are very tiny on my 4k
display, is there a way to set the dpi or fix it in some other way?
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2364[18:37:19] <tdn> I normally use LUKS for whole disk
encryption. I'd like to have a USB stick with me on travel and
stuff with my various keys on and a few vital docs. I want to
encrypt this and could use LUKS of course, but that only seems to
work on Linux. Is there any cross platform options that are secure?
In the past I'd probably use truecrypt but that was abandoned a
few years back. Any trusted options today?
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2366[18:38:22] <in1t3r> well brother its the same no error
reported in meanwhile I did disable and enable of the ethernet
andwifi in bios and alsoreseted TPM thinking it might be the TPM
that cause the issue but nothing still when I reboot ifconfig -a no
interfaces
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2367[18:38:46] <mnuhmnuh> !tails
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2368[18:38:47] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System)
is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of
preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian.
replaced-url
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2369[18:39:03] <mnuhmnuh> fyi.
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2370[18:39:09] <in1t3r> Then again I tried also to do udevadmin
control --reload-rules and that do not help either
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2374[18:41:00] <Gerowen> Debian 9 Stretch, clean install, AMD
Radeon RX 560 graphics card with HDMI for video/audio,
firmware-linux-nonfree installed and accelerated graphics are
working. No audio from HDMI, even though the HDMI audio device is
listed and the output meter in pavucontrol shows sound is supposedly
being sent down the HDMI cable. Suggestions?
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2376[18:41:43] <jelly> in1t3r: you want to look at lspci first.
If there's nothing there, there sure won't be anything in
ifconfig
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2380[18:42:31] <shtrb> Gerowen, check if under pavucontrol it is
selected in the configuration part
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2383[18:43:45] <Gerowen> shtrb: Yes it is.
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2388[18:45:53] <shtrb> Is it listed as a sink ?
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2390[18:46:18] <Gerowen> shtrb: A sink?
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2392[18:46:46] <KebabBob> I added /mnt/cifs to fstab, and it
mounts fine on mount -a, but doesn't mount automatically on
startup. What would cause that?
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2395[18:47:27] <shtrb> pacmd list-sinks
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2398[18:48:25] <mnuhmnuh> Gerowen: i use mate; MB-3/right-click
offers "sound preferences". also try vlc and banshee,
fiddle w volume, gkrellm may help ...
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2400[18:48:41] <in1t3r> yeap I know nothing there as I send in
previous paste
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2401[18:48:57] <in1t3r> OS do not see any network interface
available :o
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2403[18:49:00] <shtrb> defiantly check the volume level
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2406[18:49:05] <mnuhmnuh> mb-3 on speaker icon
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2423[18:53:44] <simpledat> How do I verify the PGP signature of a
file?
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2430[18:55:14] <shtrb> gpg -v
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2431[18:55:15] <mnuhmnuh> in1t3r: guessing, nowadays on user
boxes, eg. Network Manager Applet (mate here) does it all. system
handles only lo!
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2433[18:56:55] <shtrb> simledat , gpg --verify file.gpg --keyring
path.gpg
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2434[18:57:14] <in1t3r> mnuhmnuh, well dude what the network
daemon have with the lspci and hwdb?
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2435[18:57:16] <in1t3r> nothing
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2437[18:57:35] <in1t3r> I tried with the NetworkManager too but I
use wicd
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2439[18:58:17] <in1t3r> used many different things for network
setup including the pure ip tools and iw for connecting :D
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2441[18:59:08] <bolovanos> jelly, still here? "service
networking restart" what exactly it should be doing - I have
edited /etc/resolv.conf (added new nameservers), result ist that my
enp0s3 interface is not up
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2442[18:59:10] <in1t3r> machine do not recognise any of the
internal cards anymore as I previously said. lspci do not show any
of the network interfaces
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2445[18:59:35] <in1t3r> bolovanos, you ar eusing debian 9?
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2447[18:59:51] <bolovanos> I restarted whole virtual, but I am
able to ping it from outside, but I am unable to ping router from
inside
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2448[18:59:54] <bolovanos> in1t3r, yes
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2449[18:59:57] <in1t3r> shouldnt you use the systemctl as youar
eusing systemd
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2453[19:00:49] <in1t3r> you can bring your interface up with
ifconfig enp0s3 up
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2455[19:01:12] <in1t3r> didnt saw your questions was afc away
from channel restarting machine
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2458[19:01:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I upgraded to Debian 9 and
now my scanner isn't being found by skanlite. So I installed
the sane cmd utils, and sane-find-scanner lists my scanner, but
scanimage -L says it can't find anything. How can I
troubleshoot further?
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2460[19:02:01] <bolovanos> in1t3r, have never used systemctl -
any details how / why...
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2461[19:02:03] <in1t3r> what are you using for virtualisation?
virtualbox by oracle or KVM?
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2462[19:02:27] <bolovanos> in1t3r, ok it is up, but without IP
from dhcp
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2463[19:02:38] <bolovanos> virtualbox on win
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2464[19:02:39] <in1t3r> systemctl is the main tool for the
systemd as services was for the sysv
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2466[19:03:08] <in1t3r> do you have dhcpcd running inside of the
machine that you want to get DHCP assigned
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2468[19:03:18] <bolovanos> this was working somehow
"normally" (sometimes it lost ability to reach internet /
dns resolving..., but it was at least able to ping router IP
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2469[19:03:21] <bolovanos> now it is not
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2470[19:03:38] <bolovanos> in1t3r, it is bridged virtual ->
DHCP from router
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2471[19:03:42] <in1t3r> oh man I'm not expert for windows
boxes I'm strictly linux for almosttwodecades
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2472[19:03:47] <in1t3r> ok
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2477[19:04:51] <jelly> bolovanos: uh, do "ifdown
enwhatev" and "ifup enwhatev", don't restart the
networking service.
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2479[19:05:10] <in1t3r> hm have you tried any other virtual
machine on the virtualbox do you have the smae issue on every one? I
use nowdays only KVM an qemu. but if I recall there are networking
settings on the virtualbox
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2480[19:05:36] <jelly> bolovanos: or just reboot the vm if
it's not doing anything important
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2481[19:06:13] <in1t3r> you should have option of the host
network manager on virtualbox program
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2485[19:06:44] <in1t3r> ifdown is still alive in the debian :o
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2486[19:07:05] <in1t3r> thought it getting deprecated with the
ifconfig too :)
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2487[19:07:43] <in1t3r> ip link and ip addr ip route are prefered
ways at least for small memory devices :)
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2488[19:07:52] <soop> check your vswitch settings in virtual box,
bolovanos, so you can ping the host (PC running virtual box) ....
and you can ping the guest (Machine running Virtual install of
linux) ... but the debian machine can't ping out?
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2491[19:08:41] <bolovanos> sec guys to many of you giving hints -
will restart that virtual first - to reach it through ssh otherwise
I am unable copy/paste output
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2493[19:09:37] <in1t3r> why you wouldnt use the NAT for one of
the virtual cards in oracle stupid virtualbox and setup other as
hostonly network you can add up to 4 virtual network cards in
virtualbox and much more with qemu kvm :)
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2496[19:10:17] <soop>
replaced-url
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2497[19:10:27] <in1t3r> first check what you have on networking
tab for the machine that is installation of debian.
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2498[19:10:43] <bolovanos> ifconfig after restart
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2500[19:10:57] <bolovanos> pinging from host machine - works
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2502[19:11:13] <bolovanos> pinging from router - works
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2503[19:11:23] <soop> can you ping the gateway?
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2504[19:11:34] <bolovanos> pinging router from virtual - dead
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2505[19:11:37] <in1t3r> I always used on virtualbox NAT and other
as the hostonly network if I need it or want to be able to work with
that machine without need forit to be able to connect ot the
internet
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2507[19:11:47] <bolovanos> ok
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2508[19:11:47] <bolovanos> stop
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2509[19:11:55] <cnrhkiyf> Someone with Ryzen CPU + AMD Vega GPU
who can help me with installing Debian? I have no video output in
the installer after I choose "Install debian"
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2510[19:11:57] <bolovanos> not true - now pinging from wirtual
works
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2511[19:12:13] <soop> so you can now ping out from the deb guest?
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2512[19:12:27] <in1t3r> cnrhkiyf, have you tried nomodeset option
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2513[19:12:40] <cnrhkiyf> yes
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2514[19:12:43] <in1t3r> too pass to the boot option before you
start install
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2515[19:12:47] <in1t3r> and it do not work
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2516[19:13:10] <cnrhkiyf> no, I use Legacy Boot, no UEFI
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2517[19:13:11] <bolovanos> this is what I was getting until this
restart
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2518[19:13:11] <bolovanos>
replaced-url
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2519[19:13:19] <cnrhkiyf> with UEFI I have picture
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2520[19:13:27] <in1t3r> no no no that have nothing with nomodeset
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2522[19:13:32] <bolovanos> soop, right now I can
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2523[19:13:53] <cnrhkiyf> I think it is because Vega is only
supported with kernel 4.15
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2524[19:14:04] <cnrhkiyf> and my installer is the daily testing
image with kernel 4.14
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2526[19:14:20] <soop> ok, so no more problem then?
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2527[19:14:42] <in1t3r> cnrhkiyf, this is the option that tell to
the initrd and kernel to not use the kvm modeseting which willleave
you with lower resolution in installer but should be able to pass
problems with booting the installer at least that was working few
years ago :)
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2529[19:15:08] <cnrhkiyf> yes I know but with Vega and Ryzen it
does not
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2531[19:15:24] <ryan-c> is there a way to allow a system user
created with 'useradd -r' to log in via ssh?
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2532[19:15:34] <in1t3r> I think you could use the vesa settings
for installer or the radeon driver not sure is it supported still.
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2534[19:15:46] <greycat> ryan-c: give it a regular shell
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2536[19:16:05] <greycat> and either a password (if you allow ssh
with passwords), or a key ...
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2537[19:16:11] <in1t3r> why you dont try installing in UEFI mode?
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2538[19:16:23] <in1t3r> nowdays every linux can be installed in
the UEFI mode
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2539[19:16:26] <ryan-c> greycat: I did - changed the shell with
chsh, and I added ~/.ssh/authorized keys and checked permissions on
it
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2540[19:16:33] <cnrhkiyf> I tried and it worked for the
installation process but if I boot the system after reboot it wont
start
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2541[19:16:50] <in1t3r> cnrhkiyf, what kind of error you ware
getting?
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2545[19:17:17] <jelly> ryan-c: do you see anything in
/var/log/auth.log when a remote ssh attempt fails? What does the ssh
client app say?
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2546[19:17:30] <ryan-c> nevermind, i'm an idiot
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2549[19:17:47] <ryan-c> I forgot to specify the right ssh key on
the client
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2552[19:18:31] <in1t3r> yeap just give it regular shell or if you
want to restrict it only to sftp use you can setup that too.
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2556[19:19:49] <cnrhkiyf> Something with Time Sync Error and he
says I have to press CRTL-D or enter root password. CTRL-D has no
effect and if I enter root password, I can log in to the system and
install packages with apt. but after reboot its the same again
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2557[19:19:50] <in1t3r> I mean many people mix the keys if they
dont name them toward something that will be easy to know which key
is for which machine. :) I always name them according to the servers
I use so I dont mix them up.
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2558[19:20:21] <in1t3r> that is the error with the hardware clock
on your machine
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2560[19:20:37] <in1t3r> you probably had set it up wrong.
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2561[19:20:55] <cnrhkiyf> in BIOS it is correct
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2563[19:21:08] <in1t3r> and damn systemd now use its own sync
fucntion to synchronise
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2564[19:21:17] <in1t3r> hm dont know then
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2568[19:22:30] <cnrhkiyf> Yeah nobody knows
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2570[19:22:35] <shtrb> utc time vs not local time
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2571[19:22:40] <bolovanos> ok - I have edited /etc/resolv.conf
-> but after restart it has the same content as it had before
editing
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2573[19:22:47] <cold_> Why isn't npm available on buster?
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2574[19:23:03] <greycat> dpkg why isn't npm in testing
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2575[19:23:03] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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2577[19:23:13] <shtrb> cnrhkiyf , hwclock + timectl
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2578[19:23:21] <in1t3r> I mean I saw that wehn I wanted to use
the ntp and it was syncing without asking me so I disabled it as I
know to use systohc and hctosys and I'm very annoyed when piece
of software that started as the init system start to mess with init
non related things. :) Uh I hate systemd mostly everyday. :)
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2583[19:23:56] <cnrhkiyf> shtrb what?
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2584[19:24:07] <shtrb> sorry
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2587[19:24:20] <cold_> dpkg: wow 8 months ago
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2588[19:24:20] <dpkg> cold_: I don't know, could you explain
it?
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2589[19:24:22] <in1t3r> he was telling you about not having setup
hc to be the UTC
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2592[19:24:41] <cold_> dpkg: !help
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2593[19:24:41] <dpkg> cold_: I wish you would RTFM.
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2594[19:24:42] <cnrhkiyf> I havent set up anyting, I just run
through the installer and reboot
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2595[19:24:43] <in1t3r> linux preferhc to be setup as the UTC
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2596[19:24:49] <shtrb> Systemd's ntp client is broken by
design
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2597[19:25:03] <cold_> dpkg: .help
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2598[19:25:04] <dpkg> cold_: have you tried
replaced-url
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2599[19:25:05] * shtrb renting
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2601[19:25:28] <cold_> dpkg: I am a strange loop
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2602[19:25:28] <dpkg> cold_: I don't know, could you explain
it?
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2603[19:25:31] <in1t3r> that iswhy I dont use systemd ntp client
:)
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2604[19:25:55] <shtrb> in13r, join us in the dark side
(debian-offtopic)
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2606[19:26:07] <in1t3r> ok
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2607[19:26:22] <greycat> shtrb: I don't disbelieve you, and
I would *never* consider using systemd's timesync thing, but
can you explain how it's broken? For my amusement.
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2608[19:26:23] <cold_> greycat: how should I go about using npm
then?
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2614[19:26:42] <in1t3r> mate cold_ why are you messaging bot?
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2615[19:26:43] <greycat> cold_: install the sid version through
backporting, or install the stable version, or install an upstream
version
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2616[19:26:48] <shtrb> greycat, it was a rant (sorry)
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2617[19:27:02] <cold_> greycat: thanks
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2618[19:27:12] <in1t3r> dpkg is Debian PacKaGe amanger low level
tool of apt :D
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2619[19:27:13] <dpkg> in1t3r: have you tried
replaced-url
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2620[19:27:23] <in1t3r> damn you dpkg :P
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2624[19:27:33] <jelly> ,v npm
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2625[19:27:35] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie:
1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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2626[19:27:39] <greycat> heh
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2628[19:27:57] <jelly> "so buggy, it's been skipped on
for TWO releases"
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2631[19:28:27] <jelly> dpkg, why is npm not in testing
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2632[19:28:28] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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2635[19:28:48] <in1t3r> cold there is thing called apt pinning so
you can use different releases for different packages whould care
too when do that and learn the manpage before starting to mess with
the apt.preferences
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2636[19:28:55] * jelly slow
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2640[19:29:12] <greycat> !pinning
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2641[19:29:12] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version
of a package to install when multiple versions are available from
<sources.list>. Bugs are explained at
replaced-url
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2651[19:31:52] <greycat> I'm still not sure what problem
pinning was supposed to help you fight.
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2652[19:32:44] <jelly> they're on testing anyway, so a
testing/unstable mix might be a passable solution
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2678[19:44:37] <sangy> how should I interpret this os-release
pretty name? ""Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid""
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2679[19:44:50] <sangy> is it buster, or sid?
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2681[19:46:11] <shtrb> sid will always be sid
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2683[19:46:14] <Pegasus_RPG> sangy: Buster/testing
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2684[19:47:08] <sangy> sorry I couldn't make sense of those
answers >.<
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2685[19:47:44] <greycat> You should read your sources.list for
the final answer.
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2690[19:48:20] <sangy> greycat: that's the thing, I set my
sources.list to sid
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2691[19:48:28] <greycat> If you are choosing to run sid, then
it's sid. If you are choosing to run buster, then it's
buster. If you have some frankendebian horror show mixture, then
it's a garbage fire.
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2692[19:48:38] <Pegasus_RPG> lol
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2694[19:49:19] <shtrb> testing upgraded to sid gives you
buster/sid
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2695[19:49:30] <sangy> ok, so all of my sources.list point to
sid, then it's magically sid?
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2696[19:49:36] <sangy> shtrb: thanks!
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2697[19:49:37] <greycat> It's not magic.
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2698[19:49:51] <sangy> greycat: ok
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2700[19:49:58] <shtrb> ok , it's the black arts
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2703[19:50:21] <greycat> It's really not that complicated.
The packages say buster because that is the next stable release that
they are intended to become part of.
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2704[19:50:42] <greycat> But if *YOU*, the human being with the
brain, are choosing to run sid instead of buster, then they'll
never stabilize, so it's just sid.
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2705[19:51:29] <sangy> I think you need to work on your
communication skills
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2706[19:51:42] <shtrb> it's all ok
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2708[19:51:44] <greycat> I think you need to work on your
comprehension skills.
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2709[19:51:50] <sangy> shtrb thanks for the answer :)
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2725[19:57:17] <sangy> Pegasus_RPG: agreed, but if life gives you
beer...
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2726[19:57:42] <Pegasus_RPG> ...pour it on your not-working
scanner.
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2727[19:58:03] * shtrb sends xsane and hplip for help
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2728[19:58:44] <pie3> any self employed here?
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2729[19:59:11] <Pegasus_RPG> I installed sane-utils and found
that right after I power up the scanner, it displays in
sane-find-scanner with make and model info, and again in scanimage
-L but after that, it stops responding.
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2730[19:59:14] <Pegasus_RPG> pie3: I am
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2734[19:59:45] * greycat waits for "Which programming language
should I learn so you will hire me"
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2735[20:00:03] <shtrb> Pegasus_RPG , check the scanner software
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2736[20:00:05] <mnuhmnuh> pie3: was. retired now.
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2737[20:00:21] <shtrb> do self employed people hire now ?
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2739[20:00:27] <pie3> mnuhmnuh: share your learning so far as
self employeed
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2741[20:00:42] <shtrb> pie3, taxes and insurance is hell
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2742[20:00:57] <Pegasus_RPG> shtrb: it's looking like a
lower level problem.
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2743[20:00:58] <greycat> Oh, he's changed tack slightly now.
Now it's "Teach me how to make money." Granted,
that's a better question than the previous one was.
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2745[20:01:05] <mnuhmnuh> accountants are expensive.
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2747[20:01:09] <jelly> pie3 (and others): please continue this in
#debian-offtopic and not this TECH SUPPORT channel
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2750[20:01:29] <mnuhmnuh> hate accounting.
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2751[20:01:40] <jelly> here is for Debian tech questions, not
career advice.
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2753[20:01:54] <mnuhmnuh> true, eof.
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2755[20:02:06] <vash> Hello to everyone
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2765[20:03:25] <vash> I've some problem with CPU usage
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2779[20:09:25] <vash> Network manager is consuming high CPU
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2788[20:13:15] <hiya> how do I enable trim on my laptop's
ssd?
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2801[20:17:33] <hiya> shtrb, it would improve performance right?
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2803[20:17:51] <KingParrot> anyone use python?
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2804[20:18:01] <shtrb> it will the performance of the factory
which create SSDs
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2806[20:18:03] <greycat> Plenty of people in #python use python.
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2808[20:18:26] <RoyK> hiya: you can mount with -o trim, but
it's usually better to run fstrim regularly (weekly, perhaps)
and keep the usage below 80-90%
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2810[20:18:50] <KingParrot> anyone install deb?
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2811[20:19:03] <hiya> RoyK, ok then I would look into it
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2813[20:19:07] <hiya> Thanks!
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2814[20:19:13] <RoyK> dpkg: tell KingParrot about ask
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2817[20:19:50] <KingParrot> I can not find a deb file of blt
(>= 2.4z-9)
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2818[20:20:03] <greycat> ,v blt
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2819[20:20:04] <judd> Package: blt on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4z-4.2;
jessie: 2.5.3+dfsg-1; buster: 2.5.3+dfsg-3; sid: 2.5.3+dfsg-3;
stretch: 2.5.3+dfsg-3
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2821[20:20:16] <greycat> are you on wheezy?
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2822[20:20:25] <RoyK> hiya: I read a document some years back and
it showed mounting with -o trim actually degrated performance
compared to not using it and instead just running fstrim regularly
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2824[20:20:47] <KingParrot> not on whezy
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2825[20:21:01] <greycat> KingParrot: if you're on jessie or
newer, blt is version 2.5.3
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2828[20:21:28] <RoyK> hiya: might be better how, though
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2829[20:21:46] <KingParrot> I have blt (2.5.3+dfsg-3)
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2830[20:22:02] <vash_> I went deep on my issue. High CPU it was
due by networkmanager OpenVPN module. I can't disconnect my VPN
connection now. if I disconnect, It will connect it again on its
own.
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2831[20:22:04] <greycat> Then what is the problem?
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2852[20:28:57] <epigramx> Guys, why is there a real time kernel
in repos but not a low latency kernel?
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2853[20:29:20] <epigramx> or a server one?
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2859[20:31:59] <jelly> epigramx: the defualt kernel works well
for servers. What are you missing?
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2863[20:32:36] <epigramx> the preemption model appears to be
Desktop by default.
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2864[20:32:47] <epigramx> There is also low latency and server
mode.
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2865[20:33:16] <epigramx> I guess "if you're so picky
compile it yourself".
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2873[20:34:25] <DexterF> hi
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2875[20:34:30] <KingParrot> I installed python3-tk_3.5.1-1 but it
does not work.
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2877[20:35:34] <KingParrot> I don't now much about
Kernel's
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2878[20:35:49] <DexterF> debian 8 machine serving NFSv4. I
accidentally pulled ethernet, brought it back, the client now
won't enter the monut point, stalls (the nfs shares get
automounted via systemd). now, rebooting the client wouled solve it,
but that's seriously uncool. how can I resolve without reboot?
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2880[20:36:21] <KingParrot> I herd that the server version of
ubuntu 14.04 uses a later kernal then the desktop version.
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2885[20:39:08] <DexterF> KingParrot, they ship so called
"hardware enablement" or HWE kernels if you need something
newer inc ase your hardware requires it. by default would surprise
me.
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2888[20:40:04] <KingParrot> instesting words
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2905[20:49:48] <FightingFalcon> Whats the most stable linux
distro?
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2907[20:50:07] <Mathisen> FightingFalcon, debian would be one of
em
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2908[20:50:09] <greycat> CentOS, probably.
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2927[20:55:19] <jelly> epigramx: at work we even run asterisk
with default kernel (not rt) and it seems to work just fine. Asking
kernel people to support 2-3 more different builds seems just an
extra burden.
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2930[20:55:55] <jelly> epigramx: what kind of workload do you
have to hope for any real difference
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2935[20:58:22] <Resilience> is there any problems with
replaced-url
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2937[20:58:46] <RoyK> jelly: anything new happened to asterisk
the last years to make it actually work? I complained about lack of
scalability a bunch of years back, and was just given a reply that
"asterisk wasn't a softswitch, live with it", even
though I had donated code worth rather a lot for working jitter
cancelling
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2942[21:00:36] <jelly> RoyK: dunno, we don't run the call
center on it, just office and it seems to work for the hundred or so
lines.
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2944[21:01:09] <RoyK> nice
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2946[21:01:49] <mnuhmnuh> Resilience: w.d.o is working here. no
problemo.
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2949[21:02:39] <Resilience> mnuhmnuh, here it doe snot work, what
email address do I have to write to report this?
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2951[21:03:00] <mnuhmnuh> res your boss/mom/isp throttling you?
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2956[21:05:24] <MarioMey> Hi, there.
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2957[21:05:34] <MarioMey> How can I use iwlist or iwconfig?
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2958[21:05:43] <MarioMey> I'm on Debian 9.
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2959[21:06:03] <shtrb> MarioMey , ifup your device , iwlist
devicename scan
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2960[21:06:10] <Resilience> mnuhmnuh, the sever responds, but
says I have no permissions
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2961[21:06:20] <shtrb> iwconfig to connect to unencrypted network
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2963[21:06:45] <MarioMey> shtrb: I don't have iwconfig nor
iwlist installed.
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2965[21:07:05] <MarioMey> Can't install them, too.
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2966[21:07:11] <shtrb> sudo apt-get install iw
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2967[21:07:19] <shtrb> sudo dpkg iw ?
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2968[21:07:25] <shtrb> dpkg -i iw.deb
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2969[21:07:26] * dpkg removes a kidney from shtrb and replaces it with
iw.deb
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2970[21:07:44] <MarioMey> Ok, I have iw installed...
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2971[21:07:46] <shtrb> dpkg -i bag of diamonds
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2972[21:07:46] * dpkg installs bag of diamonds into shtrb's head
with a bone saw and a few screws
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2973[21:07:50] <MarioMey> I had installed.
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2974[21:07:53] <jelly> dpkg: botsnack
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2975[21:07:53] <dpkg> :), jelly
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2976[21:07:57] <MarioMey> But there's no iwconfig...
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2977[21:07:59] <KingParrot> yes jelly
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2978[21:08:01] <MarioMey> No iwlist...
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2979[21:08:07] <greycat> ,file bin/iwconfig
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2980[21:08:08] <KingParrot> but not peanut butter to day
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2981[21:08:12] <judd> Search for bin/iwconfig in stretch/amd64:
wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig
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2983[21:08:45] <greycat> MarioMey: make sure wireless-tools is
installed, and that /sbin is in your PATH (usually meaning that you
are root or using sudo)
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2984[21:09:12] <MarioMey> Ok, "sudo iw"
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2985[21:09:17] <MarioMey> There it is.
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2986[21:09:19] <MarioMey> NOw...
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2989[21:10:07] <MarioMey> I want to scan routers to check
channels... and choose the less busy.
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2990[21:10:09] <MarioMey> I used to use:
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2991[21:10:12] <jelly> RoyK: worse, it's been virtualized
as-is on esxi/vsphere, and the only time people report jitter is
when that VM is live migrated to a different host
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2992[21:10:42] <MarioMey> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep Channel
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2993[21:10:43] <DexterF> ok. someone riddle me this: "ls
/mnt" goes after dirs in /mnt that sit on NFSv4 that was out
for a bit and now the systemd automount seems to not have taken
kindly to that, ls stalls until I ctrl-c
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2994[21:10:50] <DexterF> but: bash -c ls works
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2995[21:11:06] <DexterF> bash | tee works, too.
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2996[21:11:06] <MarioMey> How can I do the same with iw?
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2997[21:11:29] <greycat> Why not just install wireless-tools and
continue doing what you were doing before?
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2999[21:11:35] <RoyK> jelly: btw, were you at #asterisk some 8-10
years back?
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3000[21:11:56] <jelly> RoyK: probably not, it's not my can
of worms
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3002[21:12:17] <RoyK> hehe
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3006[21:13:42] <MarioMey> Ok, now I did that. I run command...
and it says:
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3007[21:13:47] <MarioMey> wlan0 Interface doesn't support
scanning.
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3008[21:14:00] <shtrb> ifconfig wlan0 up
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3009[21:14:00] <MarioMey> I did it with Ubuntu, last year.
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3010[21:14:31] <MarioMey> shtrb: I don't have ifconfig...
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3013[21:14:48] <greycat> Install net-tools.
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3014[21:15:05] <shtrb> also make sure nm is not using that device
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3018[21:15:54] <annadane> ifconfig is net-tools? i had thought it
was ifupdown
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3022[21:16:52] <MarioMey> Why it says that wlan0 doesn't
exist?
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3023[21:16:58] <greycat> Bearing in mind that stretch's
ifconfig output format is changed, so don't expect scripts that
parse it to continue working untouched.
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3027[21:18:11] <MarioMey> Ok, it worked.
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3028[21:18:16] <MarioMey> sudo iwlist wlx54e6fc990ab6 scan | grep
Channel
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3029[21:18:19] <MarioMey> Nice name.
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3030[21:18:33] <jelly> !eth0
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3031[21:18:38] <KingParrot> It would be nice if I could install
python3-tk_3.5.1-1 or python-tk_2.7.11-2
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3033[21:18:51] <MarioMey> Thanks, there.
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3034[21:19:12] <jelly> I'm pretty sure there was a factoid
on getting rid of "predictable" interface names
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3037[21:21:09] <herpderp> Hi. I hope I dont embarrass myself. I
am looking for the "name" of the microcode update for
linux against meltdown/spectre
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3038[21:21:28] <herpderp> Any idea what I am "talking"
about?
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3043[21:22:58] <petemc> herpderp: it's a kernel update
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3045[21:23:13] <herpderp> Yeah, it has name.
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3047[21:23:22] <herpderp> I guess it was made by google/project
zero
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3050[21:23:56] <KingParrot> google is evil
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3052[21:24:01] <jelly> herpderp: it's not a name, it's
(going to be) a newer version of intel-microcode package
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3053[21:24:30] <KingParrot>
replaced-url
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3054[21:24:32] <jelly> KingParrot: if you have problems
installing something, see
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3055[21:24:34] <jelly> !bat
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3056[21:24:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3057[21:24:42] <jelly> ,v python3-tk
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3058[21:24:43] <judd> Package: python3-tk on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-1; jessie: 3.4.2-1+b1; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-2; sid:
3.6.4-2
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3059[21:24:57] <RoyK> petemc: the microcde update isn't a
kernel update, it's a microcode update, that is, updating the
CPU itself
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3062[21:25:10] <KingParrot> oh your saying it is for 64 bit not
32?
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3063[21:25:27] <RoyK> do people use 32bit now?
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3064[21:25:32] <greycat> some do, yes
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3065[21:25:42] * RoyK uses 32bit on ARM
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3066[21:25:45] <jelly> KingParrot: no, i386 has same versions.
But the bot has to default to _some_ arch.
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3068[21:25:53] <greycat> I should think i386 is still the #2 arch
by a huge margin.
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3069[21:25:59] <RoyK> but then, 32bit on intel/amd went out of
style 15 years back or so
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3070[21:26:04] <KingParrot> many even use a 32 bit layer.
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3071[21:26:10] <jelly> RoyK: you'd think so!
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3072[21:26:18] <RoyK> KingParrot: for whatever reason
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3073[21:26:27] <jelly> /exec -o dpkg --print-architecture
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3074[21:26:31] <jelly> i386
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3076[21:26:55] <RoyK> amd64 has far more registers and is faster,
although uses more memory because of bigger pointers
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3077[21:27:06] <KingParrot> python-tk_2.7.11-2_i386.deb
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3078[21:27:09] <jelly> we were still buying new servers w/ 32bit
CPU in 2003
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3079[21:27:26] <greycat> And they're still running 15 years
later? Good job.
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3080[21:27:27] <RoyK> still, that was 15 years ago
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3081[21:27:29] <KingParrot> I did download the correct one I am
usually good about that.
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3083[21:28:05] <jelly> greycat: no, but some from 2007 do
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3085[21:28:38] <KingParrot> I should start a pc company that
builds 32 bit
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3086[21:28:53] <KingParrot> pesty 64 bit is not so great.
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3087[21:29:11] <KingParrot> when 64 first came out I thought I
had to have it.
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3089[21:29:33] <KingParrot> but many 32 bits seem to be more
relible.
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3096[21:32:29] <jelly> but 32bit is almost immune to meltdown
(the workarounds there are pretty cheap performance wise)!
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3102[21:34:24] <KingParrot> Ginger does not need any love to day.
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3108[21:35:49] <FightingFalcon> Can i learn python and go at the
same time? or its a bad move to learn to learn two language at the
same time?
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3114[21:36:05] <greycat> #debian cannot really address that
question at all
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3116[21:36:17] <greycat> you'd do better to ask the python
and go channels
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3118[21:36:35] <greycat> or ##programming
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3122[21:37:03] <annadane> i'll just say that everyone's
abilities/strengths are different so you can do anything you think
you might be able to
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3124[21:37:08] <herpderp> jelly: sorry for my stupid questions
but what is "retpoline"?
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3125[21:37:42] <jelly> it's a new word invented just for
that one technique you're reading about
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3128[21:38:01] <herpderp> and that's what is updated in the
linux kernel?
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3129[21:38:07] <herpderp> or how it's done
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3130[21:38:39] <KingParrot> AppImage
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3132[21:38:51] <retpoline> <- retpoline
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3133[21:39:04] <jelly> retpoline: I'm jelly.
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3134[21:39:05] <V7> Hey all :)
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3135[21:39:12] <herpderp> i am derp the herp
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3138[21:40:03] <jelly> herpderp: I'm not the right person to
explain intricacies of complex workarounds for a complex cpu bug.
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3140[21:40:52] <retpoline> herpderp: hold on, i'll write
something for you :)
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3141[21:41:05] <jelly> a repoline is a thingy that helps avoiding
a thingy inside cpu happen, so that the effects of that thingy
cannot be observed
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3142[21:41:34] <herpderp> And the thingy is in the kernel, right?
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3144[21:41:48] <herpderp> the first thingy you are referring to
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3145[21:41:57] <retpoline> retpoline is short for return
trampoline
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3146[21:42:08] <jelly> the thingy should be placed everywhere
where you want effects to remain unobserved
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3151[21:42:50] <jelly> that includes kernel, because observing
thingies inside kernel from outside the kernel breaks certain
assumptions about security
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3152[21:43:12] <retpoline> Instead of just
"call/pop/jump", it does
"call/...pause/jmp.../mov/jmp", where the middle sequence
of instructions set off in "..." is jumped over and not
executed, but captures the speculative execution that the CPU does
--- the CPU expects the "ret" to return to the original
"call", and does not know how to predict around the fact
that we did the switcheroo on the return address.
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3153[21:43:23] <jelly> retpoline: see, I didn't want to say
that because now you have to explain what a trampoline is.
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3155[21:43:41] <retpoline> read the line above, jelly :)
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3156[21:44:21] <jelly> still doesn't explain what a
trampoline is or what a RET does, unless you know a thing or two
about assembly already
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3157[21:44:28] <retpoline> here is a better explain
replaced-url
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3158[21:44:42] <retpoline> well, you don't care about
retpolines unless you're an assembler programmer :)
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3159[21:45:01] <jelly> noone cared about them until a week ago
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3160[21:45:09] <jelly> they didn't have to exist
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3162[21:45:25] <retpoline> a retpoline just mitigates the
speculative execution bug in spectre
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3165[21:45:46] <jelly> yes. it's a thingy to avoid a thingy.
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3166[21:45:52] <retpoline> pretty much, yes
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3168[21:46:07] <retpoline> same as a condom
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3170[21:46:19] <greycat> And a retpoline must be placed in every
program, NOT just in the kernel, right?
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3172[21:46:47] <annadane> i've totally lost track of the
conversation. i'll just go on wikipedia later
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3176[21:47:31] <retpoline> greycat it's a kernel thing
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3179[21:47:50] <greycat> Oh, then I don't understand
anything that has been said so far at all.
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3180[21:47:55] <retpoline> lol :))
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3181[21:48:03] <retpoline> i suck at explaining then
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3182[21:48:14] <jelly> greycat: everywhere there's a voltage
differential in security permissions; web browsers will have to do
something similar in their JS JIT thingies.
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3184[21:48:24] <greycat> It is probably not a thing that *can* be
explained in IRC.
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3189[21:49:23] <jelly> just because a kernel person invented it
to protect the kernel<->user barrier, doesn't mean it
might not be useful elsewhere
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3191[21:50:28] <retpoline> yeah, basically we want to disable
speculative execution for indirect jumps in a CPU, and the CPU
doesn't provide a clean way to do that directly
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3193[21:50:38] <jelly> (spectre mitigations will probably evolve
during the next decade, it's really like inventing something
like a buffer overflow exploit for the first time)
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3194[21:50:41] <retpoline> so, we abuse the fact that a
"ret" is an indirect jump
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3195[21:50:53] <tmm88> can someone tell me what are the basic
commands for i3?
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3196[21:51:01] <jelly> (a novel weakness)
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3198[21:51:13] <tmm88> i already figured out cmd-enter for
opening new terminal window
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3199[21:51:21] <annadane> tmm88,
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3201[21:51:30] <tmm88> yeah but i am on i3
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3202[21:51:34] <annadane> the other important command to use is
mod + d if you have dmenu
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3203[21:51:36] <tmm88> and cannot open chromium
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3206[21:51:46] <greycat> open a terminal and type
"chromium"
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3207[21:51:49] <cnrhkiyf> I still have problems with my Ryzen +
Vega system. Maybe someone can take a look at dmesg und journalctl
output, I still get several errors. And for some reason my picture
has a purple shine (can't describe it better) since I installed
amdgpu drivers on kernel 4.15.
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3209[21:52:07] <annadane> oh, well, then probably mod + d to open
dmenu and search for chromium
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3211[21:52:31] <annadane> if you installed i3 as opposed to i3wm
you should have dmenu
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3212[21:52:50] <KingParrot> Tkinter and Qt are known to be Python
3-compatible.
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3214[21:53:12] <tmm88> i have thank you
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3218[21:53:21] <tmm88> it works fine
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3219[21:53:27] <tmm88> thank you so much
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3221[21:54:02] <KingParrot> Tcl/Tk is fully portable to the Mac
OS X, Windows, and Unix platforms.
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3246[22:03:00] <calducciano> have a question for Samba people
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3248[22:03:23] <calducciano> know my way around Linux but this is
stumping me good
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3249[22:03:43] <calducciano> I've been able to mount our
samba share without issue for several months
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3251[22:04:01] <calducciano> suddenly this morning I boot up and
try to mount. The entire mount is root:root
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3252[22:04:08] <calducciano> just suddenly started happening
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3254[22:04:39] <BenNZ> calducciano: how are you mounting the
share ?
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3255[22:04:41] <calducciano> I tried changing some of the obvious
things, like force user and stuff like that but that's
ridiculous
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3256[22:05:12] <calducciano> sudo mount -t cifs -o
username=[myuser],password=[mypassword] //192.168.20.24/Share
sharedrive
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3257[22:05:20] <calducciano> which has been working for months
and months
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3261[22:06:37] <calducciano> even though I feel like I know what
I'm doing, this particular issue is making me feel like a major
noob
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3262[22:06:48] <calducciano> and it's really frustrating
because it's holding up work
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3263[22:06:58] <BenNZ> so whats the output of ls -ld sharedrive ?
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3264[22:07:20] <calducciano> output when it is mounted is every
file says root root [filename]
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3265[22:07:29] <calducciano> the actually share folder itself is
root:root
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3266[22:07:36] <calducciano> now just for a hint
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3267[22:07:48] <BenNZ> calducciano: is the share a linux file
system ?
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3268[22:07:48] <calducciano> I mounted the drive on the server to
a folder on the server
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3270[22:07:55] <calducciano> to keep it all local
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3271[22:07:58] <calducciano> same result
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3272[22:08:02] <calducciano> so it's not the client
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3273[22:08:15] <calducciano> yes, sorry, the share is on a linux
file system
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3274[22:08:17] <calducciano> Debian 9
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3275[22:08:29] <BenNZ> and the client is on windows ?
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3277[22:08:42] <calducciano> some clients are windows but they
haven't reported any issues
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3278[22:08:54] <calducciano> but the client I'm having
trouble on is an Ubuntu Desktop client
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3279[22:09:05] <calducciano> the Debian 9 server is headless and
running 4.14 mainline
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3280[22:09:14] <calducciano> and again has been working like a
charm for months
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3282[22:09:29] <BenNZ> then i wouldnt bother using samba , whats
the output on the server of ls -ld /sharename ?
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3283[22:09:47] <calducciano> output is the proper permissions
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3284[22:09:58] <calducciano> [username:usergroup]
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3285[22:10:14] <calducciano> again, if I mount the share folder
on the server itself
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3286[22:10:18] <calducciano> to a folder on itself
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3287[22:10:20] <calducciano> I get the same issue
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3288[22:10:26] <BenNZ> i wasnt just looking for the that but ok ,
ill try my best through the vagueness
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3291[22:10:36] <calducciano> we use Samba because we have mixed
clients
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3292[22:10:50] <calducciano> I realize I could use NFS but we
don't because we have like 3 Linux users vs 50 Windows
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3293[22:11:06] <calducciano> sorry for the vagueness
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3294[22:11:11] <greycat> You're allowed to use both at the
same time.
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3295[22:11:13] <calducciano> I can give you whataver info you
want
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3297[22:11:24] <calducciano> yes grecat, but why use nfs when
this is a samba issue
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3298[22:11:40] <BenNZ> calducciano: this is a permissions issue
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3300[22:11:54] <calducciano> the engineer in me doesn't
think switching to another protocol for a couple machines because
something broke is good science
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3301[22:12:05] <calducciano> I'd like to know why Samba
which has been working for ages is now broken
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3302[22:12:35] <calducciano> BenNZ: yeah, I think so too. Just,
for the life of me, I can't figure out where that fell apart
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3303[22:12:47] <calducciano> specifically because it was working
great
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3304[22:12:49] <calducciano> and now it is busted
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3305[22:13:07] <BenNZ> whats the output of mount
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3306[22:13:18] <calducciano> lemme check, I don't normally
run it with -v
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3307[22:13:20] <calducciano> just a sec
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3309[22:14:36] <calducciano> all it says
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3311[22:15:13] <calducciano> mount: //192.168.20.24/GroupShare
mounted on /home/calducciano/Development/sharedrive
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3312[22:15:24] <calducciano> and I can access it no problem
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3314[22:15:36] <calducciano> issue is that all the files and
directories show up as belonging to root:root
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3316[22:15:57] <calducciano> yesterday this was working no
problem
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3317[22:16:26] <calducciano> the files and directories showed up
as shareuser:shareusers
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3318[22:16:36] <BenNZ> thats not what i wanted to see from the
output
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3319[22:16:46] <calducciano> I did it with -v
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3320[22:16:52] <calducciano> that's all that got spit out
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3321[22:17:01] <calducciano> unless you're talking about the
output of the ls
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3323[22:18:49] <calducciano> sudo mount -v -t cifs -o
username=shareuser,password=1840299423CC //192.168.20.24/GroupShare
sharedrive
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3324[22:18:50] <calducciano> mount: //192.168.20.24/GroupShare
mounted on /home/eric/Development/sharedrive.
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3325[22:19:00] <calducciano> that's the entire output
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3329[22:20:43] <BenNZ> ok whats the output of ls -ld
/home/eric/Development/sharedrive
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3330[22:20:45] <DammitJim> what is a faster way to transfer files
than using scp
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3331[22:20:53] <greycat> rsync
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3332[22:21:06] <DammitJim> from server to server?
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3333[22:21:10] <DammitJim> rsync over samba?
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3334[22:21:25] <greycat> that would be rather silly
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3335[22:21:39] <DammitJim> sorry, I think I don't know
something you seem to know
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3337[22:21:49] <greycat> rsync instead of scp. that's it.
that's the answer.
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3339[22:21:55] <well_laid_lawn> scp is limited only by the
network and disk read/write speeds
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3340[22:21:57] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 11
11:09 .
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3341[22:21:59] <calducciano> drwxrwxr-x 5 eric eric 4096 Jan 4
13:51 ..
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3342[22:22:01] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 279 Dec 23
19:23 .asoundrc
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3343[22:22:02] <DammitJim> ok
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3344[22:22:03] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26949 Jan 11
11:09 .bash_history
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3345[22:22:05] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 220 Dec 23
17:20 .bash_logout
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3346[22:22:07] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3526 Dec 23
17:20 .bashrc
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3347[22:22:09] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 9 22:37
bios
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3348[22:22:11] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Dec 23
18:56 .cache
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3350[22:22:15] <mutante> you can do just rsync protocol by
setting it up on both sides, or you can do rsync over ssh
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3351[22:22:22] <DammitJim> but I should do something like: rsync
<myfile> <server>:/destination_directory/
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3353[22:22:34] <DammitJim> I guess I am only thinking rsync over
ssh
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3354[22:22:38] <annadane> calducciano, paste.debian.net for long
pastes
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3355[22:22:39] <greycat> DammitJim: you should rsync the entire
directory instead of single files
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3357[22:22:46] <calducciano> yeah, sorry about that
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3358[22:22:54] <BenNZ> it wasnt what i was asking for anyway
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3359[22:23:07] <calducciano> but I did an ls -al in the directory
you asked
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3360[22:23:07] <greycat> ls -ld and ls -l are not the same
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3361[22:23:14] <mutante> i am not sure if rsync (vs rsync/ssh)
would be faster and how much
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3362[22:23:16] <calducciano> oh sorry, -ld
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3363[22:23:21] <DammitJim> I'm just doing a throughput test
comparisson
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3364[22:23:30] <calducciano> sorry I didn't see that, my
brain immediately though -al
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3365[22:23:32] <calducciano> lol
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3366[22:23:34] <calducciano> <--- idiot
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3367[22:24:10] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 11
11:09 .
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3368[22:24:30] <BenNZ> ok now unmount the share and do the same
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3371[22:24:59] <calducciano> drwxrwxr-x 2 eric eric 4096 Jan 3
19:12 .
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3374[22:26:48] <BenNZ> add the uid of user eric to the mount
options
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3376[22:26:59] <BenNZ> or gid if you want to use more then one
user
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3377[22:27:15] <calducciano> quick question, there is no eric on
the server
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3378[22:27:31] <calducciano> so I log in as shareuser
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3379[22:27:45] <calducciano> and smd.conf has that share
configured for only one user and it is shareuser
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3380[22:27:55] <calducciano> smb.conf that is
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3381[22:28:00] <calducciano> and again, this has been working
before
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3383[22:28:19] <BenNZ> calducciano: sudo mount -v -t cifs -o
uid=xxxx username=shareuser,password=1840299423CC
//192.168.20.24/GroupShare sharedrive
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3385[22:28:42] <calducciano> and that's the uid from my
client box?
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3386[22:28:53] <calducciano> since no uid exists for eric on the
server?
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3387[22:28:54] <BenNZ> yes the one youre trying to mount the
share from
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3388[22:29:01] <calducciano> ok
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3393[22:30:17] <calducciano> oh interesting
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3395[22:30:39] <devgt5> hi, i want to remove firefox from the
system but for some reason the system says it cant find it
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3397[22:30:43] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 eric root 0 Jan 11
11:09 .
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3399[22:31:22] <BenNZ> there you go you can use gid if you need
eric:eric
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3400[22:31:39] <calducciano> ok, so that solved it because now I
can write to the drive
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3401[22:31:45] <calducciano> thank you very much
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3402[22:31:51] <annadane> devgt5, firefox or firefox ESR?
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3403[22:31:52] <calducciano> now, I just have a couple questions
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3404[22:32:03] <annadane> seeing as how stretch doesn't have
regular firefox in the repository
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3405[22:32:08] <calducciano> why do you think (and I know this is
out there) that something like that would have suddenly changed
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3406[22:32:11] <annadane> try apt remove or apt purge firefox-esr
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3407[22:32:23] <calducciano> before I was able to log in with the
previous credentials and everythign was fine
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3408[22:32:51] <devgt5> annadane oh
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3409[22:32:52] <calducciano> I want to blame the bluetooth
drivers I built on the server and installed but the script looks
pretty benign
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3410[22:32:57] <devgt5> yes firefox esr
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3411[22:32:59] <devgt5> let me try
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3413[22:33:18] <BenNZ> calducciano: not sure maybe something was
updated
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3414[22:33:23] <devgt5> annadane
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3415[22:33:25] <devgt5> it works
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3416[22:33:30] <annadane> !next
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3417[22:33:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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3418[22:33:35] <calducciano> well, I really appreciate your help
and your patience
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3419[22:33:46] <calducciano> thanks a million BenNZ
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3421[22:33:58] <annadane> ben can handle all the complicated
stuff and i'll answer the piss-easy questions :P
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3422[22:34:06] <V7> How to completely remove phpmyadmin to not
show then question "Reinstall database for phpmyadmin ?"
when reinstalling it ?
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3423[22:34:08] <devgt5> annadane is it possible to install
programs offline in debian
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3424[22:34:16] <calducciano> BenNZ was very patient and tolerant
of me
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3425[22:34:20] <calducciano> much appreicated
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3426[22:34:26] <BenNZ> thats ok
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3427[22:34:44] <oo_miguel> I am trying to use stterm instead of
xterm but it does not work in midnight commander as expected. the
screen is only refreshed about every 3 keystrokes.. so i can not
highlight files when moving around with arrows
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3430[22:35:09] <oo_miguel> when i override TERM=screen or
TERM=xterm etc.. it works as expected
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3433[22:35:18] <oo_miguel> however the TERM=stterm setting is
causing this problem
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3435[22:35:24] <annadane> devgt5, it is but i'm unsure how
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3437[22:35:50] <devgt5> hmm i know i can download the program
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3438[22:36:19] <devgt5> but if i have system that is not
connected to the internet and want to install some software
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3441[22:37:20] <devgt5> what is the command to see all connected
ip's to the network ?
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3443[22:39:12] <annadane> the sort of very easy answer is dpkg -i
foo.deb but i'm not sure if that's the debian way
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3444[22:39:33] <littlebit> hi people, I want to use sed to search
for a line beginning with foobar and delete that line and the one
below it. I reached to: sed '/^foobar/d' file
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3445[22:39:34] <littlebit> but how to I make it delete the line
below it?
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3446[22:39:37] <devgt5> oh
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3447[22:39:51] <ChmEarl> devgt5, ip neigh
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3450[22:40:34] <devgt5> ChmEarl thanks
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3451[22:41:04] <devgt5> ChmEarl it just shows me one ip
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3452[22:41:18] <devgt5> but it should show more since its a wifi
network
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3453[22:41:20] <ChmEarl> devgt5, its only within your subnet
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3454[22:41:52] <devgt5> how about for the all connected devices
to the network
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3462[22:46:13] <devgt5> are there any other browsers for debian ?
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3463[22:46:32] <littlebit> hi people, I want to use sed to search
for a line beginning with foobar and delete that line and the one
below it. I reached to: sed '/^foobar/d' file ; but how do
i make it delete the line below it?
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3464[22:46:38] <annadane> well, chromium
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3467[22:46:50] <devgt5> nothing with google lol
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3468[22:46:57] <devgt5> something open source
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3469[22:46:59] <annadane> chromium is un-googled chrome
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3470[22:47:17] <devgt5> oh
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3471[22:48:00] <annadane> (and is actually the original; chrome
is a fork of chromium and not the other way around)
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3472[22:48:15] <devgt5> oh
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3475[22:52:23] <annadane> devgt5,
replaced-url
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3476[22:52:39] <annadane> though you can probably use tar.gz
versions of other browsers anyway
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3477[22:52:45] <annadane> which don't get elevated
privileges
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