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27 [00:11:27] <OperatorECH> when i first set up my os I applied
gufw.Can anybody recommend me an updated IDS(intrusion detection
systems)
28 [00:11:31] <OperatorECH> ?
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84 [00:39:35] <petn-randall> OperatorECH: snort or suricata,
though I don't recommend a NIDS for a desktop machine.
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117 [01:00:18] <neilthereildeil_> hey guys
118 [01:00:27] <neilthereildeil_> im tryiina unload i915, but it
says its in use
119 [01:00:38] <neilthereildeil_> X is not running and im in tty1
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122 [01:00:56] <neilthereildeil_> how can i force the module to
unload?
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127 [01:03:47] <neilthereildeil_> ok rmmod -f i915 worked
128 [01:03:59] <neilthereildeil_> but how can i gracefully unload
the module?
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130 [01:04:24] <neilthereildeil_> im guessing lsof wont tell me
who has handles open to the driver?
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132 [01:06:28] <centrx> neilthereildeil_: have you looked into
modprobe -r ?
133 [01:06:44] <centrx> neilthereildeil_: lsmod will show you
what other modules depend on a module
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145 [01:15:22] <neilthereildeil_> centrx: yea i used modprobe -r
146 [01:15:31] <neilthereildeil_> but it says module is in use
147 [01:15:39] <neilthereildeil_> im trying to gracelly figure
out who is using it
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151 [01:21:04] <petn-randall> neilthereildeil_: What does
'lsmod' say, then?
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305 [02:46:00] <Dremo> can someone help me
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308 [02:46:33] <bazhang> Dremo, debian support yes
309 [02:46:33] <gfds> hey guys
310 [02:46:48] <Dremo> Can you tell me how to do this:
replaced-url
311 [02:46:54] <gfds> i just enabled the second GPU in my laptop
(the integrated one supported by i915.ko)
312 [02:46:59] <gfds> and now X doesnt work
313 [02:47:07] <bazhang> Dremo, it's a song
314 [02:47:22] <gfds> when i startx, fglrx says "no matching
device found"
315 [02:47:23] <Dremo> do you like that song
316 [02:47:41] <bazhang> Dremo, its not topical here
317 [02:48:10] <gfds> any idea how to tell X which GPU to use?
318 [02:48:27] <Dremo> how about this:
replaced-url
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322 [02:48:50] <mutante> could you please remove the Nazi troll
323 [02:48:58] <Dremo> i am not a nazi
324 [02:49:22] <mutante> an awful lot of swastikas and "kill
people in camp" bs on it to claim that
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326 [02:49:42] <Dremo> i am not a nazi!!!
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328 [02:51:33] <Dremo> if I was a nazi id post this:
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329 [02:51:50] <bazhang> !ops | Dremo
330 [02:51:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang
complains about: | Dremo
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332 [02:52:10] <Dremo> STFU BAZHANG BITCH
333 [02:52:13] <Dremo>
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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337 [02:52:43] <Dremo> I MAR WORD FROM U AND ILL IGNORE
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340 [02:52:51] <Dremo> yee silence
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345 [02:53:38] <Dremo>
replaced-url
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353 [02:55:36] <gfds> is it possible to have i915 drive my
integrated laptop screen, and fglrx drive the VGA monitor i have
attached?
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375 [03:07:42] <Drema>
replaced-url
376 [03:08:01] <bazhang> Drema, STOP that
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378 [03:08:07] <Drema> stop what
379 [03:08:27] <bazhang> Drema, this is debian support ONLY
380 [03:08:35] <Drema> alright jeez sorry
381 [03:08:38] <Drema> no need to flip out
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449 [03:54:48] <simbalion`> Is there a release date for stretch
yet? Is it safe to upgrade from Jessie? (are we only waiting on the
installer for new builds?)
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451 [03:55:31] <missmbob> no. no not just waiting for installer.
stretch currently has no security so it's not really
"safe"
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455 [03:56:42] <simbalion`> understood
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457 [03:56:54] <simbalion`> Whats that mean no security, its not
getting patches?
458 [03:57:19] <missmbob> it gets it when it gets it. not in a
timely manner as you'd expect
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460 [03:59:22] <simbalion`> I see, I am assuming that those
resources are not allocated until it moves from testing to stable?
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463 [04:00:02] <missmbob> and since it's frozen there's
a mandatory 10 day waiting on any package
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467 [04:01:32] <simbalion`> Thanks for the clarification :)
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469 [04:02:02] <simbalion`> Is there any way to follow progress
besides subscribing to the blog?
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475 [04:03:48] <mutante> dpkg: tell simbalion` about stretch
freeze
476 [04:03:50] <missmbob> you can subscribe to the various
mailing lists. debian-release might be of interest
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480 [04:05:31] <mutante> the graph on
replaced-url
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486 [04:09:06] <simbalion`> This is exciting, I've only been
using Debian as a primary OS since Wheezy, I suppose it's old
hat to many of you.
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490 [04:10:01] <Mathisen> debian is not exactly in frony of the
line.. :)
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492 [04:10:15] <Mathisen> all jokes aside it is stable
493 [04:10:39] <simbalion`> Mathisen: what do you mean?
494 [04:11:04] <Mathisen> i mean version of packages are mythlogy
compaird to arch for example
495 [04:11:53] <simbalion`> I haven't tried Arch linux, I
really like how apt functions however.. And I love Debian's
free software philosophy, and the adherance to strict stability
guidelines
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497 [04:12:14] <missmbob> then dont try arch
498 [04:12:17] <simbalion`> I tried Ubuntu in the past and found
it to be full of problems depending on what you install
499 [04:12:58] <simbalion`> they seem to release a new major
version twice a year, which doesn't instill me with confidence,
but the opposite.
500 [04:13:01] <Mathisen> i use arch myself for my desktop but
debian on servers all day long
501 [04:14:05] <VentGrey> Hello world
502 [04:14:19] <Mathisen> hello VentGrey
503 [04:14:59] <simbalion`> VentGrey: segfault
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505 [04:17:02] <VentGrey> segfault?
506 [04:17:15] <simbalion`> sorry, lame joke :D
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510 [04:20:15] <VentGrey> im growing impatient for both Mate 1.18
here and Stretch coming out :v so i can use more testing stuff
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514 [04:23:11] <Jn_Kell> VentGrey, Any packages in particular
you're waiting on?
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517 [04:23:50] <VentGrey> all mate 1.18 bundle
518 [04:23:57] <VentGrey> sadly not eve sid has it :(
519 [04:24:28] <VentGrey> i managed to install it on Jessie but
it was thanks to a user named "StevePusser" You might know
him from Debian Forums
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522 [04:27:04] <pingfloyd> VentGrey: in situations like that I go
upstream and build the package myself
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526 [04:30:00] <chatter29> hey guys
527 [04:30:02] <chatter29> allah is doing
528 [04:30:04] <VentGrey> Yeah, takes too long after these minor
updates
529 [04:30:07] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
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531 [04:30:23] <VentGrey> I could upload them myself but I would
need a mentor
532 [04:30:42] <VentGrey> and will probablly get rejected since
there is already an entire team
533 [04:31:46] <dgriffi> jhutchins: that's not terribly
helpful
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538 [04:37:16] <Thryth> Hello
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583 [05:01:31] <simbalion`> bd
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586 [05:01:39] <simbalion`> oops wrong window sorry
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619 [05:25:35] <Bert_2> Hi, I run a very typical PAM+LDAP setup
with posixAccount and shadowAccount, we use shadowExpire to expire
accounts that haven't renewed (yet), now I can't seem to
find how I can check through CLI whether an account has expired
without using ldap_search. I presume there should be some regular or
PAM command to do this. Can anyone help me out?
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650 [05:50:59] <MachinaeWolf> Can you just install debian testing
and just upgrade w/o ever reinstalling?
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652 [05:52:52] <pingfloyd> MachinaeWolf: why couldn't you?
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655 [05:53:34] <MachinaeWolf> I haven't used debian in quite
a while I just want to be sure
656 [05:53:35] <pingfloyd> MachinaeWolf: it's rolling, but
that doesn't mean it might not break along the way
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675 [06:10:23] <MachinaeWolf> Wait debian testing is frozen right
now? Is it ok to install it now...?
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677 [06:12:40] <ryouma> MachinaeWolf: i'd think so.
debian-next is the channel.
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679 [06:13:03] <ryouma> the idea after all is to test it
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681 [06:15:09] <MachinaeWolf> ok
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696 [06:30:03] <Walakea> why does Eclipse installer (from their
website) keep telling me that i need Java 8, even though i just
installed openjdk-8-jdk package?
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707 [06:41:57] <TheDillon__> Hi pals. Anyone up?
708 [06:42:35] <gry> no
709 [06:42:42] <TheDillon__> Hey, you again!
710 [06:42:44] <TheDillon__> Hi there!
711 [06:43:00] <gry> (again, by which i mean 'yes, you can
see i exist, but i am not going to guarantee that i will take your
question because i did not see it yet')
712 [06:43:04] <gry> hi :)
713 [06:43:14] <TheDillon__> I posted a question earlier but you
never replied, lmao
714 [06:43:20] <TheDillon__> I'll repost here where
it's more relevant
715 [06:43:35] <gry> yes, there was one in another channel which
i had no clue about :) if that's the same one, maybe someone
else would pick it up :)
716 [06:43:51] <TheDillon__> Awesome. Thanks anyways :)
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719 [06:45:38] <TheDillon__> So I'm trying to install
Debian. I'm using the graphical installer. I'm trying to
set up my LVM. It's saying that the LV that the attempt to
mount an ext4 file system to / failed. What do I do?
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721 [06:46:26] <gry> what exact error message does it show?
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724 [06:46:50] <TheDillon__> Yeah I guess details would be
helpful huh
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726 [06:47:21] <TheDillon__> The attempt to mount a file system
with type ext4 in LVM VG dillonVG, LV root at / failed.
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728 [06:49:07] <rjsalts> What's the steps to use blowfish
passwords these days? It used to be install libpam-unix2, is it
something to do with libxcrypt?
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746 [06:56:55] <gry> i wish i knew
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752 [07:01:26] <TheDillon__> Hi again! Sorry. Any updates?
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793 [07:26:32] <dtux> I've got a Shuttle Glamor XPC SG33G5
that can boot windows (from HDD) np, but it seems to hang at BIOS
when I put a Stretch or Jessie netinst flash drive in. Anyone ever
heard of this before?
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796 [07:27:14] <dtux> (It is currently airgapped FWIW.)
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804 [07:31:40] <ryzokuken> hey everyone!
805 [07:31:54] <ryzokuken> Needed a little help.
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807 [07:32:39] <ryzokuken> I once tried setting up debian, the
drivers were off. Tried setting up proprietary drivers, failed
miserably.
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809 [07:33:08] <gry> how did you install the nonfree drivers
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811 [07:33:22] <ryzokuken> Someone recently suggested me to try
SolydX, ran it live, still cannot run wifi and probably even
graphics and sound
812 [07:33:30] <ryzokuken> gry: maybe backports?
813 [07:33:45] <gry> no, how did you install them
814 [07:34:34] <ryzokuken> I don't remember exactly, but
maybe I downloaded a package using apt
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817 [07:35:21] <ryzokuken> gry: Probably `apt-get install -t
jessie-backports nvidia-driver`
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822 [07:37:58] <ryzokuken> gry: `lspci | grep "3D"`
shows up my nvidia card, but glxinfo shows up Gallium llvmpipe
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824 [07:38:22] <ryzokuken> I have no idea what that means and why
I'm not using the needed driver.
825 [07:38:35] <gry> already rebooted?
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827 [07:39:14] <ryzokuken> gry: No, I ran it live and now
I'm running my other installation.
828 [07:39:53] <gry> i think maybe drivers install needs either a
reboot or a couple carefully thought lines to load and unload the
needed modules by hand
829 [07:40:11] <ryzokuken> hmm
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831 [07:40:26] <ryzokuken> so should I go ahead an install it?
Would everything start working eventually?
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834 [07:42:19] <gry> that's the plan
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836 [07:43:43] <ryzokuken> gry: wifi isn't working though
(yet)
837 [07:43:56] <ryzokuken> would the installation be fine without
internet?
838 [07:44:32] <gry> if you use the live cd for install, yes
839 [07:44:58] <gry> it will be easier if you use an ethernet
cable to install the nonfree driver after the install finished
840 [07:45:07] <ryzokuken> It's SolydX
841 [07:45:13] <gry> what is SolydX
842 [07:45:19] <towo^work> not debian
843 [07:45:24] <gry> sorry
844 [07:45:31] <gry> we don't support SolydX here, you need
to talk with them
845 [07:45:47] <ryzokuken> gry: see this
replaced-url
846 [07:45:55] <gry> they must provide support for their
distribution. it is not supported here. ask their irc channel
847 [07:46:05] <ryzokuken> this is pretty much vanilla debian
with xfce preinstalled
848 [07:46:13] <towo^work> no, is not
849 [07:46:17] <gry> you can install debian with xfce
preinstalled, i would help you
850 [07:46:27] <gry> but you must do that using debian installer
and debian everything
851 [07:46:40] <towo^work> if it would be debian, it would be
named debian, not solydx
852 [07:46:43] <gry> not because i hate solydxk. this is because
any changes they made are hard to fix
853 [07:46:55] <dgriffi> when is mate 1.18 going to appear in
sid?
854 [07:47:05] <gry> ryzokuken: if you encounter a bug, i
won't be able to understand where it came from
855 [07:47:10] <towo^work> not before stretch is released
856 [07:47:17] <ryzokuken> hmm
857 [07:47:19] <gry> ryzokuken: please either ask their irc
channel, or use the debian installers
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860 [07:48:02] <ryzokuken> gry: Let's say I want to install
Debian with XFCE and make my hardware work.
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862 [07:48:10] <ryzokuken> gry: Could you help me with that?
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864 [07:48:32] <gry> ryzokuken: if you use the debian installer
(not sylydxk), then someone here would be able to help you
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866 [07:48:52] <ryzokuken> gry: Alright, I will use debian
installer then. Please guide me
867 [07:49:09] <towo^work> use the non-free image with firmware
868 [07:49:52] <towo^work> and btw, use a wired connection for
installing debian
869 [07:50:03] <ryzokuken> towo^work:
replaced-url
870 [07:50:13] <ryzokuken> this one?
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873 [07:50:38] <gry> ryzokuken: do you have an ethernet cable? it
would be a little easier than using unofficial images (if you can)
874 [07:50:48] <ryzokuken> towo^work: Isn't there a live
version available? It would be difficult to get connected over the
wire.
875 [07:50:48] <gry> ryzokuken: failing that, see what towo^work
said, it would work
876 [07:50:55] <towo^work> gry, they are notz realy unofficial
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878 [07:51:18] <ryzokuken> I could use USB tethering using my
mobile.
879 [07:51:27] <dgriffi> ryzokuken: nice.... I was not previously
aware of that
880 [07:51:27] <gry> ryzokuken: towo^work's url has live
images, yes
881 [07:51:55] <dgriffi> ryzokuken: now I can get a laptop set up
without needing wired ethernet
882 [07:52:00] <towo^work> but the live image do not support uefi
883 [07:52:08] <dgriffi> whoops!
884 [07:52:12] <dgriffi> there goes that idea
885 [07:52:24] <ryzokuken> towo^work: BIOS would be fine too.
886 [07:52:26] * dgriffi goes back to the writable usb boot installer
887 [07:52:37] <ryzokuken> dgriffi: not sure if you're being
sarcastic :P
888 [07:52:48] <dgriffi> ryzokuken: a little of both
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891 [07:53:28] <dgriffi> ryzokuken: I follow this procedure to
make a writable usb installer:
replaced-url
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893 [07:54:01] <dgriffi> ryzokuken: I put a standard ISO on there
along with whatever firmware debs I need and it's all good.
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896 [07:54:29] <ryzokuken> gry: given that USB drivers work fine,
I could mimic a wired connection by tethering my phone.
897 [07:54:34] <ryzokuken> Hopefully, it will work.
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901 [07:55:15] <ryzokuken> But I remember that the last time I
installed everything from Debian servers, it took me a lot of time.
902 [07:55:16] <dgriffi> ryzokuken: with a super-large-capacity
thumb drive, I reformat it with ext4 and then I can put on a
double-layered bluray image.
903 [07:55:37] <ryzokuken> Maybe the default mirrors don't
work very well.
904 [07:55:56] <ryzokuken> dgriffi: My drive can only hold 16
gigabytes.
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907 [07:56:46] <dgriffi> then a dvd image should work for you.
FAT32 is okay with that.
908 [07:56:59] <ryzokuken> towo^work: What's the difference
between 8.8.0-live+nonfree/ and current-live/ ?
909 [07:57:18] <towo^work> current live is without firmware
910 [07:58:09] <ryzokuken> so I should use 8.8.0-live+nonfree,
right?
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1001 [08:51:30] <m00n_urn> hey
1002 [08:51:41] <m00n_urn> anyone try compiling rtorrent on deb 8?
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1011 [08:54:00] <Artemis3> 0.9.2 not good enough? xD
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1014 [08:54:35] <jelly> m00n_urn: backporting its libtorrent and
then rtorrent usually works, last tried it on wheezy but not
recently
1015 [08:55:22] <jelly> ,v rtorrent
1016 [08:55:23] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie:
0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; sid: 0.9.6-2+b1
1017 [08:55:39] <jelly> ii rtorrent 0.9.6-3~0.jelly.1 amd64
ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent from rakshasa
1018 [08:56:14] <jelly> apparently also did a backport for jessie
and forgot about it
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1097 [09:39:20] <newcoder> I have added my name in /etc/group with
sudo
1098 [09:39:26] <newcoder> yourname is not in the sudoers file.
This incident will be reported. still, why?
1099 [09:39:47] <newcoder> I did usermod -aG sudo loginname
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1118 [09:51:17] <strk> which package has the lsb_release command ?
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1121 [09:51:31] <jelly> newcoder: have to log off and back on for
the group membership to become active
1122 [09:51:52] <newcoder> Can I make it active now?
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1124 [09:52:07] <newcoder> without logoff
1125 [09:52:19] <jelly> not in any current process
1126 [09:52:48] <strk> certbot package on Debian 8.7 stable
(Jessie) seems to be broken
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1128 [09:52:59] <jelly> newcoder: you can su to yourself, or login
again via ssh, or maybe use newgrp
1129 [09:53:01] <strk> certbot : Depends: python-certbot (=
0.10.2-1~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed
1130 [09:53:07] <strk> known issue ?
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1132 [09:53:50] <jelly> strk: bpo8 suggests it's not a jessie
package but a jessie-backports one
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1134 [09:54:13] <jelly> !bat
1135 [09:54:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1136 [09:54:23] <jelly> strk: ^^ can you pastebin all the info
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1139 [09:54:35] <strk> ah, indeed -t jessie-backports succeeds in
installing cerbot
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1149 [10:00:59] <Pepe> Hello guys. I downloaded multi arch iso for
my PC (CPU Intel J1900) and I booted to UEFI through my flash drive
(where I have installation) after succesful installation it
won't boot. It still says reboot and select proper boot media
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1153 [10:03:40] <Pepe> I tried first 64 bit installation and after
that 32 bit installation, but no success.
1154 [10:04:20] <Pepe> It's weird, when I will use legacy
bios it works.. but I want uefi...
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1160 [10:08:19] <momoaux> Hello, I'm currently trying to
configure my touchscreen but don't know how to enable the
desired behavior.
1161 [10:08:25] <momoaux> Currently I have: touch=Mouse appears at
touched spot. drag=mouse moves with finger drop=mouse stays at last
touched spot
1162 [10:08:34] <momoaux> I want: touch=Mouse appears at touched
spot and click. drag=drag like with mouse pressed drop=drop at
position
1163 [10:08:42] <momoaux> So I have the touchpad behavior but I
want to act like a mouse.
1164 [10:08:42] <momoaux> Any hints on how to switch from touchpad
to mouse behavior for my touchscreen :-)
1165 [10:08:47] <momoaux> Just FYI: I need this for a big 42"
touchscreen. The only purpose of this screen is to act as screen for
replaced-url
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1169 [10:10:08] <momoaux> I played around with tap-to-click but I
don't think this is the right option for me
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1174 [10:11:55] <momoaux> My starting point was
replaced-url
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1179 [10:14:16] <momoaux> googling for "debian touchpad like
mouse" just leads me to thousands of problems with touchpads
and mice but nothing like "how to change the behavior"
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1201 [10:24:40] <momoaux> Maybe I can break down the question to:
How to set "click on first touch" for a touchpad? :-)
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1212 [10:28:30] <momoaux> Maybe getting closer: ftp://replaced-url
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1254 [10:55:19] <RebelCoder> Hi guys. I need help with
Permissions. I set a folder/sub folders permission like that:
1255 [10:55:21] <RebelCoder> sudo chmod -R 777 /media/work/
1256 [10:55:59] <RebelCoder> And it does set the WRITE
permissions. But all the new files and folders created in that dir
after, still need this (sudo chmod -R 777 /media/work/) to be called
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1259 [10:56:41] <RebelCoder> What is the way to permanently set
Write perms to a folder and all the files and folder, crated in it
after that, to pick up that perm ?
1260 [10:56:44] <momoaux> check umask
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1263 [10:57:19] <RebelCoder> How exactly ?
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1265 [10:57:36] <momoaux>
replaced-url
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1272 [11:01:09] <RebelCoder> Hmm.... that page is not very clear
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1278 [11:02:31] <Pepe> Mine issue is not answered.. :P
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1285 [11:06:27] <colo-work> RebelCoder, how are new files and dirs
in that directory created?
1286 [11:06:42] <colo-work> (is there a network protocol for file
serving/management involved?)
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1290 [11:07:19] <momoaux> RebelCoder: maybe this helps a bit:
replaced-url
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1295 [11:08:38] <RebelCoder> File are created by hand or synced
from other PCs
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1297 [11:09:17] <colo-work> RebelCoder, so, directly on that
machien, by users having access to an interactive shell?
1298 [11:09:29] <RebelCoder> this is more of Sync problem....
1299 [11:09:32] <colo-work> if so, how many users are involved? do
they share a group membership?
1300 [11:09:40] <RebelCoder> when files are synced form other PCs,
they are write-protected
1301 [11:09:44] <colo-work> how are the files sycned? rsync,
perhaps?
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1304 [11:09:55] <RebelCoder> Even though I have set the whole
fodler to pe write
1305 [11:10:15] <RebelCoder> Just me. No other users
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1310 [11:12:58] <colo-work> RebelCoder, and how do you
"sync" files from other PCs?
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1312 [11:13:03] <colo-work> what program/tool do you use?
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1314 [11:13:14] <RebelCoder> BitTorrent sync
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1318 [11:14:39] <colo-work> ok - I've never used that. does
that protocol happen to have a notion of permission bits and file
ownership? if yes, read up on how to make it ignore incoming
permissions. if no, set your user's umask before invoking the
utility.
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1320 [11:15:04] <colo-work> (try `umask 0000;
your-command-to-sync`)
1321 [11:15:24] <RebelCoder> Ah... ok.. I will now
1322 [11:15:40] <RebelCoder> I got the idea...
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1325 [11:16:51] <RebelCoder> I have enabled auto-start of this
service like this:
1326 [11:16:53] <RebelCoder> sudo systemctl enable resilio-sync
1327 [11:17:15] <RebelCoder> How do I add umask to it though ?
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1334 [11:18:49] <colo-work> RebelCoder, did you write the systemd
service unit file yourself, or does that come with the package you
installed the program from?
1335 [11:20:14] <RebelCoder> I did not write it. It seems it has
one...
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1341 [11:22:47] <RebelCoder> I found it at :
1342 [11:22:57] <RebelCoder> and it has a line
1343 [11:23:02] <colo-work> RebelCoder, systemd units have a
native "umask" property. you should create a drop-in
extension for your service unit file that sets it to 0000. read
replaced-url
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1345 [11:23:05] <RebelCoder> ExecStart=/usr/bin/rslsync --config
%h/.config/resilio-sync/config.json
1346 [11:23:09] <RebelCoder> is that the one ?
1347 [11:23:14] <colo-work> and also
replaced-url
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1351 [11:23:54] <colo-work> RebelCoder, yes, but you can't
use the chain of commands I pasted earlier there, as this is not a
shell command line.
1352 [11:24:07] <RebelCoder> Ok...
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1354 [11:26:21] <colo-work> in a nutshell, what you want is: mkdir
/etc/systemd/system/resilio-sync.service.d && printf
'[Service]\nUmask=0000\n' >
/etc/systemd/system/resilio-sync.service.d/umask.conf &&
systemctl daemon-reload
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1356 [11:27:00] <colo-work> then check if systemctl cat
resilio-sync.service displays the new umask value as you'd like
it to
1357 [11:27:03] <colo-work> and restart the service
1358 [11:27:08] <colo-work> I _hope_ that should do it
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1366 [11:30:35] <RebelCoder> colo-work, ok, thanks, will keep
hacking
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1372 [11:34:13] <bathman> hi
1373 [11:34:39] <bathman> some odd problem: after an upgrade to
debian 8, samba seems to react a bit differently
1374 [11:35:23] <bathman> for an old xp machine, it is still
possible to access samba shares using explorer (just typing etc)
1375 [11:35:51] <bathman> but not for eg.: a link (target path) in
a shortcut
1376 [11:36:24] <bathman> anyone here know how to workaround this?
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1380 [11:40:04] <petn-randall> bathman: Have you read up on the
changes in samba between wheezy and jessie?
1381 [11:40:07] <petn-randall> !release notes
1382 [11:40:08] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8
"Jessie" are at
replaced-url
1383 [11:40:36] <bathman> petn-randall: no, i haven't tbh
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1386 [11:42:12] <petn-randall> bathman: I'd check in the
release notes, and also in the NEWS file of samba. It's in
/usr/share/doc/samba/NEWS(.gz).
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1388 [11:42:24] <bathman> ok ty
1389 [11:42:31] <petn-randall> bathman: You'll likely have to
change a few settings to get your old behaviour back.
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1415 [11:59:40] <bathman> thx petn-randall, working again
1416 [12:01:03] <bathman> If a client requests that a file should
be "opened for execution", Samba4 will require the
executable bit to be set on the file in addition to the regular read
permissions. This also causes "netlogon" scripts to be
silently ignored if they lack this executable bit.
1417 [12:01:14] <bathman> (end quote)
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1422 [12:02:10] <bathman> so: chmod -R a+x /data/samba did the
trick
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1433 [12:05:16] <petn-randall> bathman: Sweet, glad you fix it.
1434 [12:05:21] <petn-randall> *could
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1702 [14:59:26] <hid3> I am setting up a dummy RAID0 array of one
disk (on HP Microserver Gen8). What stripe size should I choose? The
disk is 8TB WD Purple, will be running Debian 9, devoted for various
tasks (file server, media server,and other regular stuff), using XFS
filesystem
1703 [14:59:46] <hid3> I have came accross this benchmark test:
replaced-url
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1709 [15:01:50] <ForceRecon> back in the day we used 4k I think on
Novell.. I would suggest you make the size based on the requirements
of the server and what you feel are the file sizes that will be most
common
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1711 [15:02:10] <petemc> what is the point of dummy raid0 ?
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1714 [15:04:08] <hid3> petemc, point of it is that the native
controller requires for raid to be set up. It can be set to use
"legacy AHCI mode" but it has known bugs in that mode
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1716 [15:04:22] <hid3> the matter is that all files will vary....
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1735 [15:12:39] <Bert_2> Hi, I run a very typical PAM+LDAP setup
with posixAccount and shadowAccount, we use shadowExpire to expire
accounts that haven't renewed (yet), now I can't seem to
find how I can check through CLI whether an account has expired
without using ldap_search. I presume there should be some regular or
PAM command to do this. Can anyone help me out?
1736 [15:12:53] <jelly> hid3: so it's really just
"raid0" with a single device
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1769 [15:28:03] <jelly> hid3: in the unlikely chance your system
has a proper smartarray hw raid (not B* something), they are now
starting to get separate firmware that expose disks directly
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1776 [15:32:00] <jelly> Bert_2: no nss configured? Does
"getent shadow user" work as root?
1777 [15:32:45] <glaucom> hi, i need create live usb with
persistence mode. install one aplication forever
1778 [15:32:47] <momoaux> Anyone here who has an idea how to set
"click on first touch" for a touchpad? I need drag and
drop on a touchscreen that is handled like a touchpad on Debian 6
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1793 [15:44:04] <jelly> momoaux: debian 6?
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1796 [15:44:49] <momoaux> jelly: ups :-) debian 9
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1798 [15:45:02] <momoaux> stretch
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1801 [15:45:43] <jelly> momoaux: consider asking in #xorg, they
may have clues about weird(er) input devices
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1803 [15:45:48] <jelly> also,
1804 [15:45:51] <jelly> !debian-next
1805 [15:45:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1806 [15:46:29] <momoaux> jelly: ok but I think its not really a
stretch issue, more a common debian synaptic question
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1812 [15:46:56] <jelly> do you know your device uses the synaptic
driver?
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1816 [15:47:34] <momoaux> oh, good question, I thought it but did
not verify
1817 [15:47:50] <jelly> momoaux: if it were really common, someone
would have commented on it this morning when you first asked...
1818 [15:47:58] <momoaux> kk
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1838 [15:53:23] <nicechap> hi, I am running debian stretch, and
was looking for smbtree tool, but apt-get install cannot find it...
1839 [15:53:28] <nicechap> any idea how to install it?
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1842 [15:54:15] <nicechap> I would like to detect all samba shares
on my network...
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1847 [15:56:57] <Mathisen> nicechap, smbclient
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1855 [16:01:18] <nicechap> thanks so much Mathisen
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1895 [16:23:04] <jhutchins_wk> !search
1896 [16:23:04] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just
asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with
<aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that
own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S
/bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and
«/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for
factoids. See
replaced-url
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1916 [16:29:32] <astephanh> is there an security advantage if i
run the php-fpm master process not as root? if yes, wherer would i
put the pid and socket files?
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1929 [16:35:51] <ws2k3> crontab -e and crontab -l. where are those
files located?
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1935 [16:38:25] <astephanh> ws2k3, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
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1939 [16:39:27] <blackflow> astephanh: there is in that privilege
escalation bugs are less likely (if possible at all) from that
vector. you put pid and socket files wherever you want, say under
/var/run/foo where foo is owned by the user running fpm
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1944 [16:40:33] <astephanh> blackflow, how do i create a folder in
/var/run, its tmpfs
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1947 [16:41:34] <blackflow> put them somewhere in a permanent
location then
1948 [16:41:47] <ws2k3> astephanh i need to modify that cronfile
on alot of servers. can i just use sed?
1949 [16:42:01] <blackflow> or write a service that pre-creates
the dirs before fpm is run
1950 [16:42:37] <JohnA> I am having a problem installing nvidia
drivers. "/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-2-amd64 does not exist. Cannot
update." what can/should I do about it?
1951 [16:42:38] <blackflow> astephanh: btw, I think systemd unit
files can be configured to precreate a directory
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1955 [16:43:17] <blackflow> astephanh: ah yes, RuntimeDirectory
and RuntimeDirectoryMode
1956 [16:43:19] <astephanh> ws2k3, i believe so. as far as i know,
it is reread every minute. pssh and sed shout do the trick
1957 [16:43:51] <ws2k3> astephanh okay thanks
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1959 [16:44:15] <astephanh> blackflow, oh, cool. convienent as i
create a salt state for systemd anyway
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1961 [16:45:26] <blackflow> JohnA: how's that possible? how
are you installing nvidia drivers? the initrd image can be created
running update-initramfs, but that step is automatic on package
installations concerning initramfs
1962 [16:45:42] <blackflow> JohnA: oh, is /boot mounted into a
separate partition?
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1968 [16:48:04] <JohnA> blackflow, no just root and home.
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1971 [16:48:54] <JohnA> the install is apt-get install
nviidia-legacy-304....
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1985 [16:51:50] <reef> Hello all, i hae a probleme with a script
running with nagios user... This script work fine when ron manualy.
when i do "echo $HOME" i get nothing via Nagios gui even
if i declare a valid shell for nagios user...
1986 [16:52:18] <reef> any idea to solve the problem ?
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1989 [16:53:36] <astephanh> reef, do you use parameter? you need
to allow parameters explicitly
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2001 [16:58:01] <reef> astephanh, yes i do. But the parameter
"$1" is not a problem... i would like to get $HOME
variable...
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2015 [17:03:01] <astephanh> reef, you need to inlude the nagios
libs like here:
replaced-url
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2038 [17:15:01] <aabz> Would btrfs be a better option than ext4
for a server?
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2040 [17:15:57] <teraflops> aabz: it depends on your needs
2041 [17:16:07] <aabz> it's for a web server
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2043 [17:16:44] <teraflops> I'll rephrase: do you want any of
the btrfs features¿
2044 [17:17:02] <aabz> snapshot
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2047 [17:17:53] <teraflops> then go for it
2048 [17:18:13] <teraflops> aabz: did you ask because you're
not sure ho stable btrfs is?
2049 [17:18:18] <teraflops> how*
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2054 [17:19:05] <aabz> yes
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2064 [17:22:09] <teraflops> aabz: _I_ do btrfs in debian jessie
production servers, you better pick a backported kernel and
btrfs-progs though. stretch is fine I think
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2106 [17:43:10] <jhutchins_wk> ws2k3: Actually, you only need to
modify the file once, then copy it to all of the servers.
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2239 [18:33:58] <Walakea> when i try to install Eclipse (from
offical website) it says that i have Java 1.7 even though i
installed openjdk-8 jdk & jre from backports, what's wrong?
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2246 [18:36:38] <sebboh> I'm somewhat familiar with the
package 'dialog'. But it doesn't seem to be installed
on my current (sid) system. Was it replaced?
2247 [18:36:52] <sebboh> (as a debconf front-end, I mean.)
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2254 [18:40:01] <tristero> debconf depends on "whiptail |
dialog", so a new install will get whiptail instead. But you
can replace it with dialog if you prefer.
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2273 [18:48:14] <jhutchins_wk> Walakea: It's possible you
still have 1.7 installed and it's finding it on the path.
2274 [18:48:59] <Walakea> most probably, since i am running jessie
2275 [18:49:12] <Walakea> i thought it would somehow find the
version 8
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2277 [18:49:17] <greycat> I'd start with "type -a
java" (in bash) and "java -version"
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2279 [18:49:48] <Walakea> yeah, 1.7
2280 [18:50:02] <greycat> If this isn't satisfactory, do a
dpkg -L on the exact package name of the openjdk 8 thing and see
where the java program really is.
2281 [18:50:53] <Walakea> what is "java" linked to by
default? openjdk-X-jre?
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2289 [18:51:49] <greycat> Not sure what you're asking. On
jessie, /usr/bin/java is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java
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2295 [18:54:35] <Walakea> probably found it
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2298 [18:55:20] <Walakea> i bet replacing 1.7 with 1.8 is not a
good idea on jessie
2299 [18:55:48] <greycat> Changing the destination of
/etc/alternatives/java is perfectly fine. Debian doesn't use
Java internally for anything important.
2300 [18:56:07] <greycat> You can also make /usr/local/bin/java
point to wherever you want, and /usr/local/bin usually preceded
/usr/bin in PATH.
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2302 [18:56:33] <Walakea> so if anything bad happened it would
only cause some non-critical application problems?
2303 [18:56:58] <greycat> It would only affect things which
actually use java. Which is not anything fundamental in Debian (apt,
dpkg, etc.)
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2307 [18:59:21] <Walakea> ok, i will put it to /usr/local/bin, can
i use hardlinks or symlink interchangeably?
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2312 [19:00:50] <Walakea> also, i am not sure if i should put the
whole contents of openjdk folder in there
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2322 [19:06:24] <Walakea> ok, that did't help much, now i am
getting even more cryptic error messages
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2340 [19:15:02] <AlexPortable> There is some vague connection in
netstat, how can I find out what causes this?
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2343 [19:15:25] <TomasCZ> AlexPortable, did you use -p ?
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2348 [19:16:12] <AlexPortable> TomasCZ: yes
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2350 [19:16:24] <AlexPortable> PID/program name: -
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2352 [19:16:37] <Neo> hey everyone, I have a debian install on
slow-ish flash media, is there a way to copy my rootfs to ram and
a-sync changes to the flash?
2353 [19:16:38] <TomasCZ> AlexPortable, run as root or user?
2354 [19:16:54] <AlexPortable> ah thanks now i got it
2355 [19:17:30] <Neo> lsof -ni -p
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2366 [19:22:59] <hid3> Is there any way to specify additional
options for mkfs, which runs during Debian installation? I am
running the installation in expert mode
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2390 [19:31:22] <quietone> ?pastebin
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2392 [19:31:41] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2396 [19:33:16] <quietone> vlc won't install,
replaced-url
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2399 [19:33:35] <quietone> On jessie, with backports
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2403 [19:34:35] <somiaj> quietone: did you install mesa from
backports at any time?
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2406 [19:34:58] <quietone> I have no idea. I don't know what
it is.
2407 [19:35:16] <n4dir> go to the page of debian backports and use
the command told there. Does that work?
2408 [19:35:33] <n4dir> apt-get install -t yada-backports
<package> ; or such
2409 [19:35:53] <somiaj> quietone: output of 'apt-cache
policy', 'apt-cache policy vlc libgles1-mesa
libgles2-mesa'
2410 [19:36:05] <jhutchins_wk> Neo: Check out
replaced-url
2411 [19:36:21] <j-r> leave
2412 [19:36:22] <somiaj> also the error you have held broken
packages might be something on your system keeping this from
installing.
2413 [19:36:29] <j-r> window 5
2414 [19:36:30] <j-r> ls
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2434 [19:45:43] <quietone> somiaj, if I understand the output
llibgles*-mesa will install from backports but vlc from main.
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2437 [19:48:41] <Pepe> Guys at 10:00 I posted here my issue with
uefi installation, but no one helped me.. Is that normal behaviour ?
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2441 [19:49:15] <greycat> If you get no response after, say, 20-30
minutes then it's OK to ask again.
2442 [19:49:37] <greycat> Different people will have different
thresholds for how often they're willing to let you repeat a
question, so use common sense.
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2445 [19:50:18] <Neo> jhutchins_wk: that would be great if I had
started there :P
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2447 [19:50:25] <quietone> so does @n4dir suggestion make sense,
to install vlc from backports, when backports isn't listed in
the policy for vlc?
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2451 [19:50:51] <n4dir> i misunderstood the problem, btw.
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2468 [19:58:13] <Pepe> So I have Bay Trail CPU [Intel J1900]. I
downloaded multi-arch iso , bcs it is stated on wiki page for uefi.
I tried 32 bit and 64bit installation, but after installation it
says insert proper boot media. When I tried Uefi installation and I
didnt force uefi installation and installatedgrub, which works, but
I still dont have uefi. I dont know whats wrong with it. I checked
manz times that I have disabled
2469 [19:58:14] <Pepe> secure boot, fast boot and was plazing with
CSM support, but same
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2495 [20:11:25] <quietone> or I am just stuck without vlc?
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2500 [20:12:23] <quietone> or how to fix 'GStreamer
encountered a general stream error.' on .flv and .mp4
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2531 [20:27:18] <ryzokuken> Hey people!
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2534 [20:27:37] <ryzokuken> I am unable to install debian using
live USB
2535 [20:27:41] <ryzokuken> People help me.
2536 [20:28:47] <ryzokuken> Anyone?
2537 [20:29:20] <greycat> !uefi live
2538 [20:29:20] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in
Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do
not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
2539 [20:30:07] <ryzokuken> I'm booting using legacy mode,
not UEFI
2540 [20:30:36] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: then you can start by
supplying facts, what are you trying, what doesn't work etc.
That was one important piece of information for instance.
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2542 [20:31:12] <greycat> Thd debian live images are just
notoriously bad for installations, but you definitely need to at
least say what the problem is.
2543 [20:31:36] <ryzokuken> I'm trying to boot Debian live
XFCE
2544 [20:32:01] <ryzokuken> It gives a error. It says that no
kernel modules were found.
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2547 [20:32:31] <ryzokuken> This is probably because of a mismatch
between the kernels
2548 [20:32:42] <ryzokuken> Archive and the installer kernels.
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2551 [20:33:28] <ryzokuken> It's looking for them in a CD, I
am using a USB drive.
2552 [20:33:34] <ryzokuken> Any ideas?
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2557 [20:34:09] <greycat> Does "Use an installer image, not a
live image" count as an idea?
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2561 [20:34:34] <ryzokuken> It would be difficult to fetch
everything during installation.
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2564 [20:34:54] <ryzokuken> I needed a little more offline
approach
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2566 [20:35:03] <ryzokuken> That's why I chose live
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2568 [20:35:23] <greycat> Instead of "install full DVD
#1"
2569 [20:35:34] <greycat> or whatever the labels on the
non-netinst things are
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2571 [20:35:50] <Bert_2> Hi, I run a very typical PAM+LDAP setup
with posixAccount and shadowAccount, we use shadowExpire to expire
accounts that haven't renewed (yet), now I can't seem to
find how I can check through CLI whether an account has expired
without using ldap_search. I presume there should be some regular or
PAM command to do this. Can anyone help me out?
2572 [20:35:57] <ryzokuken> I'll also need nonfree firmware
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2575 [20:36:11] <ryzokuken> greycat: could you help me find a more
appropriate image?
2576 [20:36:23] <greycat> !firmware images
2577 [20:36:23] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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2579 [20:36:59] <ryzokuken> So I download DVD 1 and put it in a
USB drive and install?
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2582 [20:38:13] <ryzokuken> greycat:
replaced-url
2583 [20:38:20] <ryzokuken> This image is appropriate?
2584 [20:38:33] <ryzokuken> I need debian testing
2585 [20:38:51] <greycat> Ask OFTC #debian-next where this
"DVD1+firmware" is hiding.
2586 [20:39:07] <ryzokuken> I don't get it, sorry.
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2590 [20:40:26] <jolt> Bert_2: You mean like chage -l
<user>?
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2611 [20:46:19] <M4GNV5> why is flightgear in security? :O
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2613 [20:46:36] <AlexPortable> it's safe
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2615 [20:46:52] <somiaj> read the DSA, CVE or bugreport that goes
with it
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2619 [20:48:32] <somiaj> hmm, can't seem to find a DSA for
this
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2623 [20:48:56] <somiaj>
replaced-url
2624 [20:48:57] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2625 [20:49:32] <greycat> ,info flightgear
2626 [20:49:33] <judd> Package flightgear (games, extra) in
jessie/amd64: Flight Gear Flight Simulator. Version: 3.0.0-5; Size:
3846.7k; Installed: 16035k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2627 [20:49:45] <greycat> Does it run setuid root or something?
2628 [20:49:57] <M4GNV5> lul, its a flight simulator
2629 [20:50:06] <somiaj> maybe, unsure on the details. Just
surprised I couldn't find info on this on the package tracker
or dsa list
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2631 [20:50:33] <M4GNV5> from what i understand from
replaced-url
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2633 [20:50:46] <somiaj> M4GNV5: read the bugreport
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2635 [20:51:16] <M4GNV5> yeah well "The route manager in
FlightGear before 2016.4.4 allows remote attackers to write to
arbitrary files via a crafted Nasal script." as i said
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2637 [20:51:21] <somiaj> ahh there is the DSA, bug report confused
me as it was dated 2017, not 2016
2638 [20:51:25] <M4GNV5> ty for the info
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2642 [20:51:43] <M4GNV5> is there like a search thing for
DSA/CVE's?
2643 [20:52:11] <somiaj> There is an archive I found on the
debian.org
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2646 [20:52:26] <somiaj> hmm, wonder why this didn't get
included in the point release 8.7 or 8.8
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2651 [20:55:14] <quietone> Is there anything I can do to install
vlc?
2652 [20:55:32] <Atomic> think vlc is on sourceforge
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2654 [20:55:48] <M4GNV5> quietone, apt install vlc?
2655 [20:55:48] <greycat> ,v vlc
2656 [20:55:49] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1;
wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1;
jessie: 2.2.5-1~deb8u1; sid: 2.2.5-1; stretch: 2.2.5-1;
experimental: 2.2.5-4; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u1;
jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u1; sid-multimedia:
1:2.2.4-dmo16
2657 [20:55:50] <Atomic> I have it on mine, forgot where i got it
though
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2662 [21:00:42] <quietone> M4GNV5,
replaced-url
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2667 [21:02:39] <Atomic> uhoh, broken dependancies
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2670 [21:03:20] <Atomic> isn't there a command for that,
`apt-get -f` or something?
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2675 [21:05:53] <somiaj> apt-get -f will try to fix things, but
only works if things are fixable in a way it can figure out
2676 [21:06:20] <somiaj> quietone: didn't I ask you for some
very speicifc output earlier, can you get that output to me?
2677 [21:06:33] <n4dir> somiaj: quietone: output of
'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy vlc
libgles1-mesa libgles2-mesa'
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2679 [21:07:04] <n4dir> sources.list won't hurt either, etc.
in short: more info
2680 [21:07:22] <somiaj> it won't but apt-cache policy will
give the info from it
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2682 [21:07:40] <somiaj> and anything also included in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d
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2686 [21:10:54] <n4dir> k, i didn't know that "apt-cache
policy " will give that info. Hardly ever had to use it.
2687 [21:11:14] <quietone> somiaj, yes, I thought I did post it.
Sorry. here you go
2688 [21:11:16] <quietone>
replaced-url
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2691 [21:12:05] <somiaj> apt-cache policy is missing from that
output
2692 [21:12:53] <somiaj> note in your sources.list, you don't
need a seperate line for non-free, just change 'main' to
'main non-free' or better 'main contrib
non-free' on your regurlar souces. You should do this for all
of them so you also get security updates for non-free and maybe
backports
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2697 [21:13:23] <somiaj> this way you also don't need
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ftp_nz_debian_org_debian.list
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2699 [21:13:56] <somiaj> but enough of that, I dno't see
anythign obvious causing the problem. Your error is you have held
broken package, can you give the output of 'apt-get -f
install' and 'apt-get upgrade' -- see if any packages
are indeed held back.
2700 [21:13:56] <hid3> I have installed Debian on a 8 TB drive.
Once the setup has completed and PC rebooted, I am unable to boot to
the new OS. Sya sboot disk not found, etc.. I suspect this has to do
with the large HDD. That EFi thing or so.. Any hints for a
workaround or a fix? I have booted to Rescue mode from the
isntallation CD, mounted the root file system and all seems to be
okay there
2701 [21:14:31] <somiaj> hid3: provided you are using a gtp
partition table with efi you should be fine on the size.
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2703 [21:14:45] <somiaj> If using legacy boot and put grub on the
mbr, you may have troubles. Are you positive you are using efi boot
2704 [21:14:48] <hid3> how do I find out if I'm using GPT?
2705 [21:15:06] <somiaj> did you partition the disk when you
installed? it would have used gtp for efi and mbr for elgacy
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2707 [21:15:18] <quietone> somiaj, I see the policy output on line
2 and 12
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2709 [21:15:41] <hid3> Yes, I did partition the disk, as it is
brand new. I think it installed the boot code into MBR
2710 [21:16:30] <hid3> I have mounted the root partition so can
check the grub.cfg. Any particular lines I should seek for?
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2712 [21:16:52] <somiaj> quietone: that is not the output of
'apt-cache policy' that is the output of 'apt-cache
policy packagename'
2713 [21:16:55] <somiaj> I asked for both
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2715 [21:17:12] <somiaj> hid3: check if grub-efi or grub-pc is
installed
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2718 [21:19:00] <quietone> somiaj,
replaced-url
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2720 [21:19:41] <hid3> grub-pc is installed
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2725 [21:20:14] <hid3> should I install grub-efi?
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2727 [21:20:26] <Violinist> ya
2728 [21:20:47] <Violinist> ur late to the party
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2730 [21:21:05] <somiaj> hid3: no, you did the install in legacy
mode, thus you are using mbr partition table which might be to big
for the disk you have (2-3 TB limit)
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2732 [21:21:24] <somiaj> hid3: you most likely want to reinstall
in EFI mode so you can use GTP parititon tables if possible. Using
GTP with mbr(legacy) boot can be a pain.
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2737 [21:22:04] <Violinist> its GPT i think
2738 [21:22:13] <hid3> somiaj: so what steps should I take? I
didn't have any choice during the setup which mode to use, EFI
or legacy.. How do I enforece EFI?
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2740 [21:22:51] <rocket_man> boot using efi, it's in BIOS
settings
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2743 [21:23:07] <hid3> alright, will check it in BIOS
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2745 [21:23:08] <BanHammor> heya.
2746 [21:23:08] <Violinist> u need install refit
2747 [21:23:17] <Violinist> put refit on usb and boot from that
2748 [21:23:24] <somiaj> hid3: what install image did yo uuse?
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2750 [21:23:43] <BanHammor> quick question: can you debootstrap
into a foreign architecture, like x86 to MIPS?
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2753 [21:23:59] <hid3> I did use the latest build for Testing CD
2754 [21:24:07] <hid3> so it's Debian 9
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2756 [21:24:18] <somiaj> BanHammor: you have to use qemu-static or
something like that to run anything in that arc
2757 [21:24:28] <somiaj> BanHammor: but I belive you can copy the
files into it with out that
2758 [21:24:39] <somiaj> hid3: so you used the netinstall? cd1?
the live image?
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2761 [21:25:03] <hid3> somiaj: yes, it's netinst
2762 [21:25:12] <Violinist> hid before u install anything u need
to make sure ur in efi mode
2763 [21:25:25] <missmbob> it wasnt live? you're absolutely
sure?
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2765 [21:25:28] <somiaj> hid3: in that case, the net intsall can
boot both legacy and efi, you need to configure your firmware to
boot efi.
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2768 [21:25:41] <jhutchins_wk> Violinist: That is not a Debian
solution, grub works just fine.
2769 [21:25:47] <teraflops> BanHammor: yes you can
2770 [21:26:01] <Violinist> from the bios boot menu u should see
efi and non efi
2771 [21:26:08] <BanHammor> teraflops, how do the post-install
scripts work?
2772 [21:26:22] <hid3> now checked the BIOS, and there are no
settings related to EFI....
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2774 [21:26:32] <Violinist> then u dont have it
2775 [21:26:47] <missmbob> that makes sense now
2776 [21:26:57] <rocket_man> hmmm. . . usually it has one like
[EFI|Legacy Bios]
2777 [21:26:59] <somiaj> BanHammor: I think debootstrap uses the
host to copy the files so it won't run any binaries for the
forign arch. But if you need to chroot into it you'll need
something like qemu-static so you can run the forign arch.
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2779 [21:27:24] <somiaj> hid3: if you see a legacy boot you can
disable it usually, and keep secure boot disabled.
2780 [21:27:41] <teraflops> BanHammor:
replaced-url
2781 [21:27:47] <somiaj> if you can't figure out how to boot
efi, you cannot use a single parittion on that 8TB drive, and will
hvae to limit partitions to 2TB
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2784 [21:28:23] <hid3> oh, forgot to mention that my root
partition is 20 GB, not entire 8 TB, if that matters
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2789 [21:30:17] <somiaj> hid3: what about the rest of the
partitions?
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2793 [21:31:00] <hid3> 1 GB swap, 200 GB another partition
(selected it to mount as /data during installation) and the final
partition is the rest of space (7+ TB)
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2796 [21:31:50] <somiaj> fdisk -l /dev/whatever (does this list
your partitions or give you an error about gtp partitions)?
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2800 [21:33:54] <hid3> hold on, need to check, as I've
already rebooted
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2802 [21:35:58] <Bert_2> jolt: yes, I do, like chage -l, I
don't understand why chage checks the shadow file instead of
asking PAM anyway
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2807 [21:37:15] <jolt> Bert_2: That I don't know. Sounds like
something is missing with pam or nsswitch
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2812 [21:40:33] <hid3> somiaj: looks like it booted itself. I
entered the native raid configuration and messed up there a bit. It
isn't a raid, but rather a dummy "raid0" of a single
disk. I've set it as a boot device and not booted successfully
into the system
2813 [21:41:23] <hid3> I did fdisk -l /dev/sda, it lists all the
partitions correctly. There is a line like this: "Disklabel
type: gpt"
2814 [21:42:00] <hid3> it also seems to have 1 M partition, type
set to "BIOS boot"
2815 [21:42:17] <hid3> so all things considered, which groub
package should I have? grub-pc or grub-efi?
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2817 [21:42:21] <somiaj> yea you ar eusing a gtp partition table
in legacy mode
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2819 [21:42:37] <somiaj> grub-pc, since you are booting leagacy,
seems the installer set up the mbr partition for you
2820 [21:42:46] <hid3> unfortunately there isn't a setting in
BIOS to switch...
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2822 [21:43:30] <hid3> alright, grub-pc is in place
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2824 [21:43:56] <somiaj> your machine might not support efi boot
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2829 [21:45:19] <hid3> well, shouldn't care much then..
I'd be happy if it would boot and see the entire disk
capacity...
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2834 [21:46:14] <somiaj> hid3: I thought you said it did boot?
Sure it isn't an issue with your raid?
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2837 [21:46:42] <teraflops> hid3: you can use gpt with mbr though
2838 [21:47:06] <teraflops> not sure it's supported by the
installer
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2840 [21:47:12] <somiaj> yea seem the installer set that up
already, has the mbr bios partition, so maybe the issue is reading
/boot
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2843 [21:47:39] <hid3> yep, it did boot. Might have been that was
some raid issue. Fingers crossed it's now gone...
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2848 [21:49:10] <BanHammor> wow debootstrap sure seems like a lot
of work. Is there a ready-made rootfs tarball i could download? :)
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2850 [21:50:54] <somiaj> debootstrap isn't to much work,
running binaries for a forign arch requires extra steps with qemu
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2853 [21:51:29] <BanHammor> yeah, but that requires a host debian,
which i don't have.
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2858 [21:52:11] <somiaj> are you sure you need a debian host,
debootstrap is a script which runs on other hosts just fine
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2861 [21:52:43] <BanHammor> qemu-static doesn't.
2862 [21:53:02] <somiaj> can't you get qemu-static on your
system?
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2865 [21:53:28] <somiaj> you'll need some sort of emulation
for a forign host
2866 [21:53:33] <somiaj> arg forign arch
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2869 [21:53:40] <hid3> Alright, another question, more system
related. How do I list currect diversions in dpkg? And how do I
create a new one?
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2871 [21:54:07] <somiaj> man dpkg-divert
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2873 [21:54:24] <somiaj> hid3: why are you needing to do this?
2874 [21:54:27] <hid3> oh, great. I was looking straightly in dpkg
options..
2875 [21:54:58] <hid3> somiaj: I installed pbzip2 and pigz
packages to utilize all the CPUs. Now need to create diversions for
/bin/gzip and bin/bzip2
2876 [21:55:31] <somiaj> so you want gzip to use pbzip2 instead? I
would be careful when doing stuff like that to core binaries
2877 [21:55:45] <hid3> No!
2878 [21:55:57] <teraflops> BanHammor: it does not require a
debian host
2879 [21:55:59] <hid3> I want gzip use pigz (pigzee) and bzip2 to
use pbzip2
2880 [21:56:17] <hid3> those are multi-core versions of the tools,
I have set that up on all my systems, nothing wrong with it
2881 [21:56:44] <somiaj> hid3: oh, either way, sounds like what
you want is the alternative setup, but I personally woudn't
suggest replace core stuff like that, if pigzee uses different
command line flags you could break system scripts that use gzip
2882 [21:57:14] <hid3> well, it was designed with that in mind,
all the options and etc are the same for pigz, as well as gzip
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2884 [21:57:28] <teraflops> BanHammor: I do deboosttrap with the
archlinux iso ^
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2886 [21:57:58] <BanHammor> teraflops, and your target arch is...?
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2888 [21:58:32] <somiaj> BanHammor: what host are you using? Is
qemu avaiable for it?
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2894 [22:00:18] <BanHammor> i'm using centos7. QEMU is
available, but it seems to be dynamically linked, which is a hassle
in chroot
2895 [22:00:18] <gry> which package do i dpkg-reconfigure if i
would like to change how bash history is saved? more lines to save,
and no repeating -- all this by dpkg-reconfigure not by setting env
variables by hand
2896 [22:00:19] <inthl> I am running 3.16.0-4-amd64 and I have an
issue with ipv6. the system has an IPv6 address with global scope
and responds to it, but executing ip6tables fails, any command gives
the error modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'ip6_tables':
Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg),
ip6tables v1.4.21: can't initialize ip6tables table
`filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
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2898 [22:00:36] <gry> BanHammor: what does centos have to do with
this channel?
2899 [22:00:55] <inthl> any ideas how to fix this? modprobe
ip6_tables gives: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert
'ip6_tables': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown
parameter (see dmesg)
2900 [22:01:10] <teraflops> BanHammor: whatever, e.g armv7l
2901 [22:01:17] <greycat> gry: there is no package-level
configuration of bash's internal history variables. You do it
in your ~/.bashrc file.
2902 [22:01:18] <somiaj> BanHammor: You may have to look at centos
support and see about how to have something simlar to qemu-static,
or even install qemu and do an install in a VM.
2903 [22:01:26] <gry> greycat: ok
2904 [22:01:30] <jmcnaught> inthl: have your kernel been upgraded
but you forgot to reboot?
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2906 [22:01:42] <gry> greycat: would it be possible to add it on
package level or there is a barrier?
2907 [22:01:55] <teraflops> BanHammor: or grab the binary by hand
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2909 [22:02:01] <somiaj> gry: or in the system bash files
/etc/bashrc (I belive) if you want to affect the whole system
2910 [22:02:09] <teraflops> BanHammor: that's what I do
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2912 [22:02:16] <somiaj> gry: also pay attention to the differnce
between login(1) shells and not so /etc/profile too maybe.
2913 [22:02:25] <gry> somiaj: thanks!
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2915 [22:02:36] <inthl> jmcnaught, that may be the case. the
system is online for over 2 years lol
2916 [22:02:52] <BanHammor> gry, i'm making a debian rootfs
image from a foreign arch
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2918 [22:02:54] <inthl> so this is likely the cause? can I init
that without rebooting perhaps?
2919 [22:03:20] <somiaj> gry: I personally don't see why
having a debconf option for this would be helpful. Enviorment
variables are just fine for this, and just configure the system so
they are included in the enviorments that are needed
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2921 [22:04:28] <BanHammor> somiaj, i mean, it can be done, but i
think i'll just skip the hassle and either spin up a debian on
x86 and go from there or generate the rootfs from target hardware.
2922 [22:04:46] <jmcnaught> inthl: that's the first thing i
would check. you are supposed to reboot for kernel upgrades ☺. You
could also check /etc/modprobe.d to see if some invalid parameters
are being used
2923 [22:04:49] <teraflops> BanHammor: what a bout a VM?
2924 [22:05:20] <greycat> Technically, bash history is controlled
by internal BASH* variable, which are not usually exported through
the environment.
2925 [22:05:32] <BanHammor> last question and i'm going home:
does debootstrap attempt to put a kernel into the root filesystem?
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2928 [22:05:52] <somiaj> BanHammor: you could deboostrap a debian
chroot, and then install qemu-statci that way and continue on.
forign arch is just a pain.
2929 [22:05:54] <greycat> People get so incredibly WORKED UP about
bash history, and my wiki has FAQ page(s) for it, but I personally
don't even care enough to learn the names of all the history
variables.
2930 [22:05:57] <somiaj> BanHammor: no
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2932 [22:06:30] <greycat> Other people write those pages.
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2934 [22:06:51] <somiaj> BanHammor: you would hav eto manually
install the kernel and a bootloader (or make it bootable) after
debootstrap makes the minimial chroot
2935 [22:07:03] <hid3> How to change the default scheduler to
deadline system-wide? I guess need to append elevator=deadline to
boot command but just checking...
2936 [22:07:08] <BanHammor> that's exactly what i need tbh
2937 [22:07:21] <somiaj> hid3: I belive so, either modify the boot
options or compile a custom kernel.
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2939 [22:07:31] <BanHammor> thank you, somiaj, i'll go do my
magic tomorrow
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2941 [22:07:45] <BanHammor> ~bye~
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2947 [22:09:26] <hid3> I think I'm already done with custom
kernels. I have been doing custom kernels for each system since
2003. Now the systems are too complex for me to be able to build a
slim but efficient kernel..
2948 [22:10:19] <greycat> I stopped doing custom kernel around
Linux 2.6.0
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2950 [22:11:09] <somiaj> hid3: I think boot parameters should
work, I haven't attempted this though.
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2952 [22:11:19] <hid3> will try in short time
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2954 [22:11:49] <hid3> greycat, 2.6.3 was my first custom kernel.
As I've never done 2.4 kernel and folks here suggested waiting
for 2.6 as it was much easier
2955 [22:11:57] <somiaj> I think /etc/default/grub is still a good
place to append such options to the command line
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2957 [22:12:09] <hid3> oh, recall trying to do some 2.4 kernels.
None booted
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2959 [22:12:40] <hid3> yep. added to /etc/default/grub. Also added
panic=10 there. No idea why such important things aren't
offered by default
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2965 [22:16:01] <hid3> yep, just rebooted the system and... a) it
boots normally b) default scheduler is deadline
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2974 [22:17:59] <hid3> clean system uses 860 MB of disk space. I
recall woody used ~190 or so...
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2976 [22:18:32] <greycat> 15 years from woody to stretch (assuming
a release in 2017)
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2980 [22:19:25] <somiaj> as a percent of a standard harddrive it
has gone down though.
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2982 [22:20:49] <greycat> Which packages constitute a "clean
system" in this comparison? Just Standard?
2983 [22:21:03] <hid3> yep.
2984 [22:21:12] <hid3> "standart utilities" and
"ssh server" were selected
2985 [22:21:13] <jolt> X or not?
2986 [22:21:17] <hid3> nope
2987 [22:21:34] <hid3> Debian 9 release will be in weeks, if not
days
2988 [22:21:42] <hid3> maybe even upcomming weekend, as they like
2989 [22:21:52] <hid3> because the number of rc bugs is small
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2993 [22:23:05] <Kobaz> noooo
2994 [22:23:07] <somiaj> hid3: days unlikely, last I checked still
150is rc bugs
2995 [22:23:16] <Kobaz> ii didn't notice, when i did apt-get
install remmina
2996 [22:23:17] <somiaj> 129 now
2997 [22:23:18] <Kobaz> it's removing my sysvinit
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2999 [22:23:41] <hid3> it never goes down to zero, I think
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3001 [22:24:03] <hid3> it's time to get rid of sysvinit :)
3002 [22:24:09] <Kobaz> no, it's not
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3004 [22:24:23] <hid3> personally I don't like systemd (too),
as I'm not familiar with it, but such is life, you need to
adapt...
3005 [22:24:36] <Kobaz> no i don't need to adapt, if i
don't want it
3006 [22:24:42] <Kobaz> if i have to switch to devuan i will
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3008 [22:25:43] <somiaj> just be careful when you install things,
although debian supports both init systems, jessie was the first
release to do so and it may have some issues
3009 [22:26:02] <somiaj> Kobaz: you have systemd-shim installed?
3010 [22:26:02] <Kobaz> it looks like the newest remmina requires
sytemd
3011 [22:26:15] <Kobaz> yeah i do, and apt-get install remmina
removed it
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3014 [22:27:09] <somiaj> I don't see an explicit depend in
remmina, it might be hiding in one of its depends, you may have to
track down the issue
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3016 [22:27:41] <somiaj> Kobaz: this jessie? stretch? -- notices
the time, sorry gotta go
3017 [22:27:49] <Kobaz> testing
3018 [22:28:00] <hid3> How do I check a link status for a device
which is not configured? mii-tool, apart the fact that became
useless, now says "Resource temporarily unavailable" for
unconfigured devices...
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3021 [22:28:20] <hid3> ethernet device, obviously
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3023 [22:29:13] <Kobaz> remmina started crashing on startup, so i
figured it was time to upgrade
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3025 [22:30:39] <epsilon> question about latest update to 8.8, is
there any known compatibility problem with pfSense as KVM guest?
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3028 [22:32:58] <Kobaz> # apt-get remove libpam-systemd
systemd-sysv The following packages will be REMOVED: hplip k3b
libpam-systemd policykit-1 printer-driver-postscript-hp systemd-sysv
udisks2
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3030 [22:33:19] <Kobaz> so should i file a bug report on
unnecessary dependencies on systemd?
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3033 [22:33:44] <quietone> my usb drive, is now mounting read
only. How do I fix that?
3034 [22:33:56] <Kobaz> does it have errors? what's the
filesystme?
3035 [22:34:05] <jolt> hid3: is ethtool equally bad?
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3037 [22:34:53] <hid3> need to give it a try... Never used before
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3039 [22:35:00] <jolt> hid3: ethtool <dev>
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3042 [22:35:55] <jolt> hid3: or possibly ip link
3043 [22:36:06] <jolt> I don't have a system with an
unconnected device to check with
3044 [22:36:11] <Kobaz> what i can probably do is remove those
packages for now, put in a fake systemd package, and then install
them back again
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3047 [22:36:58] <Kobaz> that's what i thought systemd-shim
was for anyway
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3049 [22:37:31] <greycat> As far as I know, stretch-with-sysvinit
is still supported, though I have not attempted it.
3050 [22:37:35] <hid3> hm.. ip link shows
'<NO-CARRIER' for unconnected devices... It's
getting like FreeBSD!
3051 [22:38:24] <jolt> hid3: Not sure how much stuff is handled in
the drvier vs hardware these days either. Maybe they need to be
configured to have proper power etc. Can't help you there
3052 [22:38:51] <hid3> well, I have enough info on this now,
thanks!
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3059 [22:40:43] <wabbits> how do I launch a process with realtime
priority?
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3062 [22:42:05] <quietone> I just wrote some files on it, used it
on another debian jessie machine. and now back on my main laptop, it
is read only.
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3064 [22:42:09] <quietone> what is going on here?
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3070 [22:45:20] <bit1> quietone, hello, may be you should check
you filesystem (fsck /dev/sd??? )
3071 [22:45:44] <quietone> bit1, check it for what?
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3073 [22:46:45] <greycat> man fsck
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3076 [22:47:09] <greycat> I'm not saying that'll fix
whatever the problem is, but it's something you must
understand.
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3082 [22:50:55] <jolt> wabbits: well, you can at least use nice
--10 <program> to get the highest priority
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3085 [22:51:19] <wabbits> jolt thanks but is that the same as
realtime?
3086 [22:51:27] <jolt> wabbits: (or use renice if it's
already running).
3087 [22:51:32] <altyr> wabbits: actual RT requires you to have
the RT kernel installed, which is overkill in most cases
3088 [22:51:52] <jolt> wabbits: You need the RT kernel for that,
and maybe altyr knows more about that
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3092 [22:52:20] <wabbits> altyr assume I have the required
prerequisites
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3097 [22:53:36] <altyr> wabbits: try using chrt to launch the
program
3098 [22:53:54] <altyr> i haven't used much myself
3099 [22:53:59] <altyr> +it
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3101 [22:54:54] <esaym153> I need to rsync a live host over to a
new box, I'd normally do "telinit 1" first and then
rsync via ssh. But how do I do that with systemd? Doesn't
"systemctl rescue" just kill everything (and thus I
wouldn't be able to ssh back to it for rsync)?
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3103 [22:55:48] <esaym153> hmm, or I guess I would boot into
single user mode and start ssh that way perhaps..
3104 [22:55:53] <esaym153> seem ghetto though
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3107 [22:56:30] <jolt> esaym153: single user and rsync from the
singleuser box instead?
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3110 [22:57:56] <wabbits> altyr thanks
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3113 [22:58:15] <wabbits> jolt too
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3117 [23:00:52] <altyr> np
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3122 [23:04:40] <ryouma> esaym153: asking because i want to know,
not because i can help you, but is rsyncing a live, moving-target
version basically unsafe most of hte time, or just unsafe sometimes?
3123 [23:05:29] <greycat> It's "unsafe" in the same
way that making a backup is unsafe, if there are running processes
and open files and databases and who-knows-what that might be
modified during the operation.
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3125 [23:06:09] <greycat> You'd want to do whatever it is you
do when you make full backups. Make an LVM snapshot, or use
zfs/btrfs voodoo, or bring down the database and applications, or
whatever.
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3128 [23:07:35] <ryouma> esaym153: my problem is more, getting
debian's initrd and grub fanciness to work properly after
rsyncing
3129 [23:07:53] <ryouma> like, if i do it to an internal disk
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3132 [23:09:09] <esaym153> ryouma: sorta, depends on how you do
it. Not really good to copy a live host to a completely blank hard
drive. In my case, I have a freshly installed Jessie instance on a
new machine. One should be able to easily mount the target drive
from the non running OS and then rsync the old (and still live) host
to it. Minus /dev /sys of course
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3134 [23:09:45] <imattxc> is it bad to try and run the thel
graphics update tool on debian? I installed it on stretch (getting
half fps I was on jessie) and when I try to run I get segfault..
3135 [23:09:52] <esaym153> ryouma: so putting the old live host
into a single user mode so less stuff is changing files would be
desirable in this case
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3137 [23:11:57] <ryouma> esaym153: i just do xdev to get rid of
/sys etc
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3145 [23:13:51] <esaym153> ryouma: "xdev"? is that a
command or you mean rsync --exclude '/dev'?
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3147 [23:14:28] <greycat> rsync --one-file-system probably
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3149 [23:14:42] <ryouma> esaym153: --one-file-system don't
cross filesystem boundaries
3150 [23:14:50] <greycat> find spells it -xdev
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3152 [23:16:01] <esaym153> ryouma: Never knew about that option,
sweet!
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3156 [23:17:11] <ryouma> but upgrading debian raises the stress
level for this stuff, because it is not at all clear that it
isn't trying to be too fancy with debconf or something and
getting all that initrd or grub stuff wrong. (has happened to me
that it has gotten it wrong upon something like a kernel upgrade.
ther eis some debconf assumption that you have to reverse or
something.)
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3191 [23:33:41] <AlexPortable> What's the difference between
security support and long term support?
3192 [23:34:21] <jrtc27> long-term support lasts longer and only
covers a subset of the architectures and packages
3193 [23:34:24] <jrtc27> !lts
3194 [23:34:24] <missmbob> long term only supports most commonly
used server packages
3195 [23:34:24] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project
to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5
years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by
a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about
<wheezy-lts> and see
replaced-url
3196 [23:34:35] <jrtc27> !wheezy-lts
3197 [23:34:35] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
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3206 [23:39:38] <AlexPortable> thanks
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3215 [23:43:19] <moonythedwarf> What are the rules for package
issues again?
3216 [23:43:21] <moonythedwarf> derp
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