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13 [00:10:24] <EdePopede> tarzeau: yep, ext. using it since my
first linux. ext2 the default then, all i knew before was FAT. xfs
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it actually is and how many using it. i have to smell it before i
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26 [00:31:45] <Numero-6> hi all i have question, i have make my
service folloing this doc:
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31 [00:38:06] <Numero-6> Question3: I can make a log for this
service and that can read by journalctl _EXE=myscript ? Because at
this moment i have put a line in mysript for that make a log
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46 [00:58:44] <dfacto> i have an user setup with a public ssh
key for access, and on the .ssh/authorized_keys file I have a
command="xyz" that should run when the user connects using
the public key. The command does not seem to be running, also
didn't find anything in the logs. Any ideas on how to
troubleshoot this?
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56 [01:09:44] <tds> dfacto: can you pastebin the full
authorized_keys line?
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60 [01:10:09] <dfacto> one sec
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64 [01:12:37] <dfacto>
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65 [01:13:59] <tds> hm, that should work ok
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67 [01:14:23] <tds> though depending on what you use exactly,
i'd be inclined to use "restrict" rather than the
individual no-foo directives
68 [01:15:55] <dfacto> i will check on the syntax to do that,
meanwhile i enabled debug3 on sshd to see what's going on
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76 [01:19:26] <dfacto> also wonder if there's anything in
sshd_config that i should change from default..
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78 [01:19:54] <dfacto> i uncommented "PubkeyAuthentication
yes" and IIRC that was about it
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82 [01:30:22] <LtL> dfacto: PasswordAuthentication no # if it
exista and no allow root access
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84 [01:31:05] <dfacto> yeah, that was done when i first set up
the box.
85 [01:31:59] <LtL> dfacto: you should be golden than, test it
to be sure from another box
86 [01:32:42] <dfacto> so in this case its a debian mirror that
i setup as a push master (and this box is the push client) so it can
trigger ftpsync only when there's an upstream sync
87 [01:32:50] <dfacto> I guess i could setup a new key and test
it myself
88 [01:37:26] <LtL> dfacto: i'm sure you have, but
systemctl restart ssh
89 [01:37:47] <dfacto> you know, i did that now after removing
no-foo and adding restrict
90 [01:38:11] <dfacto> but maybe i forgot to do this earlier
when i first setup authorized_keys, honestly don't remember
91 [01:38:16] <dfacto> it shouldn't have mattered tho
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93 [01:38:42] <dfacto> but i did restart sshd after I changed
sshd_config
94 [01:38:49] <LtL> yes it matters
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97 [01:41:02] * Numero-6 find systemd-cat
98 [01:41:02] <LtL> only the server needs the restart
'ssh' not the client, fyi dfacto
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107 [01:43:46] * Numero-6 use this command faur laught: echo "Nous
voulons des renseignements" | systemd-cat -t "Numero
2" -p emerg && journalctl -f
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109 [01:49:57] <Numero-6> j'ai encore mieux
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111 [01:51:38] <Numero-6> oups sorry
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158 [02:54:03] <emperorOfTrebiz1> anyone know what the state of
software update transparency is for apt?
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163 [02:59:19] <annadane> er... transparency? in what sense
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165 [02:59:32] <emperorOfTrebiz1> like CHAINIAC
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167 [02:59:37] <emperorOfTrebiz1> or these guys:
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168 [03:00:03] <emperorOfTrebiz1> defending against targeted
malicious updates, etc
169 [03:01:01] <annadane> hmm, i'm not an expert in that
area but we have (not 100%) reproducible builds and package
checksums
170 [03:01:09] <annadane> but someone else can probably answer
171 [03:01:27] <annadane> ,i debsums
172 [03:01:29] <judd> Package debsums (admin, optional) in
buster/amd64: tool for verification of installed package files
against MD5 checksums. Version: 2.2.3; Size: 48.6k; Installed: 120k;
Screenshot:
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173 [03:01:58] <emperorOfTrebiz1> does this address a malicious
build server?
174 [03:02:04] <emperorOfTrebiz1> (thx)
175 [03:02:06] <sney> all package updates are tracked, source is
available for audit, it's pretty transparent IME but some parts
of the process are the responsibility of individual package
maintainers which has at least once historically led to a security
flaw.
176 [03:02:42] <sney> in any case, #debian is more of a tech
support channel and you may have better results asking a dev mailing
list.
177 [03:02:51] <emperorOfTrebiz1> oh right, OK
178 [03:03:00] <emperorOfTrebiz1> thanks on both counts
179 [03:03:07] <sney> np
180 [03:03:38] <annadane> and if you stick to stable i guess you
get more security to assuage your paranoia that someone hasn't
uploaded a malware package to unstable
181 [03:03:46] <annadane> though i doubt a debian developer would
ever do that
182 [03:04:13] <annadane> although if you're using stuff
like node packages or external things then the bet becomes less
certain
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184 [03:04:36] <annadane> not that that was really your question
:P
185 [03:05:09] <sney> it's very unlikely that a debian
developer would intentionally ship malware but there's always
the possibility of something like this happening again and slipping
through the cracks:
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186 [03:05:37] <emperorOfTrebiz1> thanks much appreciated! I know
there is some research interest in this stuff, but I wasn't
sure if it ever actually got into use with any of the big distros
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189 [03:06:32] <sney> see tracker.debian.org for a look at how
versions, patchsets, etc are tracked within the debian ecosystem
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192 [03:08:37] <annadane> still, debian might benefit from (and
i'm not seriously proposing this, more of a fun thought
experiment because i can) the equivalent of those companies that
hire people to try to break into their systems/offices, have someone
occasionally try to upload malware and see how good the system is at
catching it
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194 [03:08:59] <annadane> but anyway. :P
195 [03:10:23] <emperorOfTrebiz1> I agree
196 [03:10:38] <FennecCode> Like an emergency drill sort of
thing? 🙂
197 [03:11:25] <annadane> there's a filtering process from
sid to testing but that's more of a bug thing, not checking
each line of code for "hey this is actively malicious"
198 [03:11:30] <annadane> AFAIK, anyway
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200 [03:12:01] <annadane> still, if you did that as a DD
you'd be ostracized forever
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204 [03:14:58] <annadane> this is also why 'diff' is
good, if i'm the maintainer for WINE and version 4.8 of WINE
was 100% vetted but i slip some malware into 4.9, you see that
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212 [03:24:38] <emperorOfTrebiz1> annadane: great point. For sure
building for yourself is one way to avoid some problems, but its
hard to audit well, and sooner or later almost everyone needs
packages, where the problem of targeted malicious updates
"rears its ugly head" clearly, I'd say
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214 [03:29:51] <alexrelis[m]> Anyone here flash Libreboot on
their computer running Debian?
215 [03:31:18] <alexrelis[m]> How did you set up full disk
encryption on an already configured system? I have a Thinkpad X200
with stock BIOS right now with an encrypted / but an unencrypted
/boot stored on a separate USB flash drive. I'm going to flash
Libreboot on it soon and I'm looking for the best method.
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236 [03:54:43] <zevenar> devuan
237 [03:55:13] <zevenar> reggin
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243 [04:00:59] <zevenar> debian is lgihter weight thna arch?
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247 [04:09:52] <alexrelis[m]> zevenar: That depends on how each
system is configured.
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268 [04:46:01] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: FYI, with Libreboot you
have GRUB as a BIOS, thus you can do FULL disk encryption if you
want, and not have an unencrypted /boot at all. Most secure option,
but a bit of a pain when kernel updates happen as you have to
reinstall LB each time. Sidenote #2, I'd strongly suggest you
keep a backup of your origional BIOS (can't "really"
be replaced, with same MAC) - I'm SO happy I did. Best
269 [04:46:07] <zykotick9> of luck.
270 [04:50:48] <alexrelis[m]> zykotick9: Thanks, friend. Full
disk encryption is what I'm trying to accomplish. I didn't
know you had to reinstall Libreboot after EVERY kernel update. Do I
just simply need to apt upgrade and flashrom it again to get my
system running the new kernel?
271 [04:51:49] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: ya. Hardware flash only
required first time, it's trivial in comparison, you just need
to update the "path" to the new kernel/version.
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276 [05:00:42] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: from way-back-machine,
if you scroll down and see the "libreboot installtion"
titled photo, that's me and the creator of libreboot back in
2016 backstage at Libreplanet, that's my t400 in pieces on the
desk
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287 [05:23:47] <alexrelis[m]> zykotick9: Wow. Very cool. I was
considering paying Leah to flash Libreboot for me but I decided to
do it myself since it's a special occasion. Not sure if
it's a good idea since I easily break things, but we'll
see how it goes, lol.
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299 [05:47:57] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: best of luck. I actually
flashed my x200 myself.
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361 [07:41:38] <jhutchins> ;q
362 [07:41:42] <jhutchins> wzir
363 [07:41:47] <jhutchins> exit
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376 [08:02:04] <SirLagzz> can anyone shed some light on this
error message - "(Reason: Unit nginx.service failed to load
properly: Is a directory.)" <-- I can't figure out
*What* is a directory, the unit file seems ok, I can start nginx by
hand as well. I've googled that specific error but haven't
found anything useful yet.
377 [08:02:25] <SirLagzz> I haven't modified the unit file
at all by hand
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384 [08:16:13] <themill> That might just be something returning
errno 21 and it's being interpreted that way, or it might
actually be the error :(
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407 [08:37:48] <RoyK> ratrace: IIRC the boot logs are rotated per
boot, not daily. But the data should be in the kernel logs as well
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409 [08:38:26] <RoyK> wee bit of mental lag there :) I had
scrolled up nd forgotten about it
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415 [08:45:57] <ratrace> RoyK: there's no special "boot
log" default config for rsyslog, and /var/log/syslog gets *.*
by default (a bit inefficient as several files overlap in messages
they store)
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417 [08:46:14] <ratrace> ideally, yes, persistent journal
would've been most helpful
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419 [08:47:45] <RoyK> ratrace: /var/log/boot.log is there on my
buster box
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422 [08:50:00] <RoyK> ratrace: anywy - I doubt many will rotate
logs daily
423 [08:50:10] <ratrace> RoyK: oh... right. but that's not
rsyslog doing, is it?
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425 [08:51:22] <RoyK> ratrace: hm… I have no idea wht
makes that file :)
426 [08:52:40] <ratrace> indeed me neither, trying to google for
it, but nothing's coming up really
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428 [08:53:41] <RoyK> weird
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432 [08:55:14] <ratrace> I know openrc had that ability and
config option, to store its early messages into a boot.log, but this
is systemd...
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434 [08:56:43] <ratrace> RoyK: plymouth does it
435 [08:57:14] <RoyK> h
436 [08:57:23] <ratrace> plymouth-log.service, apparently
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442 [09:00:31] <RoyK> I see - thanks
443 [09:01:14] <ratrace> I hate these unintuitive, hard to figure
out black boxes on linux. HATE them. utterly.
444 [09:01:46] <ratrace> undocumented even
445 [09:04:44] <RoyK> agreed
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535 [10:56:57] <ruffni> sooo, during a dist-upgrade my tiny root
partition was filled to 100% (which of course led to the upgrade
being halted). is it possible to solve the issue without
re-setting-up the whole system?
536 [10:57:55] <ruffni> there aren't any directories with
unnecessary data which i could just delete
537 [11:02:08] <ruffni> nvm; was able to resize the partition :)
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621 [12:33:00] <JPT> I upgraded a machine from 9.0.31-1~deb10u1
to 9.0.31-1~deb10u2 and funnily enough, that broke a tomcat
application. Is there a way to take a look at the patches between
those two versions so i can explore what's going on?
Unfortunately, the application logs don't really make sense.
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623 [12:33:24] <JPT> (The application claims the filesystem to be
read-only and being unable to read files which clearly exist despite
permissions being alright)
624 [12:33:47] <JPT> (sudo-ing into a shell as tomcat also
reveals that the permissions are fine, so i'm lost.)
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626 [12:34:15] <JPT> I was already betting on AppArmor or SELinux
crashing the party, but those didn't log anything that was
denied or blocked.
627 [12:35:50] <ratrace> selinux is not default on debian,
you'd have to very knowingly install and break 80% of it.
apparmor is, so check journalctl _TRANSPORT=audit | grep
"DENIED"
628 [12:36:16] <ratrace> next check filesystem mount options (did
it remount ro?) and ACLs with getfacl
629 [12:36:54] <JPT> I'll check getfacl for completeness. :)
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632 [12:38:00] <JPT> getfacl isn't available. That's
odd, i expected it to be a standard tool.
633 [12:38:01] <ratrace> oh wait, that's stretch... even
apparmor ain't default
634 [12:38:29] <ratrace> getfacl is in package `acl`
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636 [12:39:19] <JPT> I guess i'll install that to inspect
acls, but given i sudo into a shell as tomcat, shouldn't all
those acls apply for an interactive session, too?
637 [12:39:30] <JPT> I could read, write and create files just
fine in that shell
638 [12:39:45] <JPT> Even those that the application complained
about that it couldn't in the logs.
639 [12:41:11] <ratrace> ACLs have nothing to do with shell
sessions, they're extension to regular DAC permissions
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641 [12:42:40] <JPT> Okay, but ACLs should apply regardless of
context. So if tomcat was forbidden to read or write a file, i could
verify that by spawning a shell process as tomcat and try it out,
right?
642 [12:43:26] <ratrace> assuming that shell also has all the
GIDs as the tomcat process
643 [12:43:51] <ratrace> so, you DO have fACLs on those files?
644 [12:44:15] <JPT> I didn't set any, so all that should be
there would be setup by debian packages
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646 [12:45:25] <JPT> No ACLs present, just the regular
permissions
647 [12:45:40] <ratrace> afaik no debian package installs any
fACLs, except systemd/logind that uses them to manage seats and
device access
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649 [12:46:26] <JPT> Apart from tomcat9, tomcat9-common and
libtomcat9-java only libnss3 was upgraded before the whole thing
stopped working.
650 [12:47:06] <ratrace> so, the filesystem didn't remount
RO, ther are no fACLs involved, no AppArmor, no SELinux or any other
MAC in effect, and you can access files if you run a shell as the
same user the tomcat process runs as?
651 [12:47:40] <JPT> That's correct.
652 [12:47:42] <ratrace> did you try with `su -l` just to exclude
differences in ENV?
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654 [12:48:06] <ratrace> or sudo -i I think they're
equivalent
655 [12:48:16] <JPT> I tried with sudo -u tomcat bash
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657 [12:48:37] <JPT> tomcat has nologin as a shell, so -i and su
wouldn't work afaik
658 [12:48:38] <ratrace> right, add -i to that for full login as
tomcat
659 [12:48:48] <ratrace> give it a temporary shel
660 [12:49:39] <JPT> That also work's as expected.
661 [12:49:43] <ratrace> which filesystem is that, btw?
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663 [12:49:57] <JPT> Mostly xfs, there's some ext4 in /
664 [12:50:07] <JPT> Pretty sane stuff i think
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666 [12:50:25] <ratrace> well I'm out of ideas then.
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668 [12:50:56] <JPT> That's why i'm curious about the
patches for that step from 9.0.31-1~deb10u1 -> 9.0.31-1~deb10u2
for tomcat9
669 [12:50:59] <ratrace> apt get changelog <tomcat or whatever
the actual package name is> to see the changelog, if thrre are
relevant changes
670 [12:51:04] <ratrace> apt-get changelog ....
671 [12:51:53] <JPT> Those look good. I like fixing security
issues. :)
672 [12:53:02] <JPT> But there's nothing mentioned that is
related to whatever happened on my machine
673 [12:53:25] <ratrace> oh also... any chroots involved? systemd
service unit doing any hardening?
674 [12:54:11] <n1ce> hi, hola
675 [12:54:24] <ratrace> like, ProtectSystem=strict and rw paths
NOT marked as such via ReadWritePaths ? PrivateTMP involved
somewhere and some process trying /tmp/foo directly?
676 [12:54:50] <JPT> The systemd-unit is unmodified, so it does
the usual thing. The ReadWritePaths look fine, they include the
paths that the app is complaining about.
677 [12:55:06] <ratrace> JPT: and ProtectSystem=strict?
678 [12:55:15] <JPT> Yup, that's on strict.
679 [12:55:31] <ratrace> try commenting that out, run systemctl
daemon-reload and restart your tomcat service. does it still
complain?
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683 [12:58:17] <JPT> ... that seemed to have fixed something.
I'll track that unit file now, i guess.
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687 [12:58:51] <JPT> Thanks a lot for walking me through this!
Now i have to figure out what is going on regarding that. :|
688 [12:59:30] <ratrace> JPT: are CATALINA_* directories
mountpoints?
689 [12:59:58] <ratrace> ie. the ones in ReadWritePaths? I'm
assuming, as you said the unit file is unmodified, it's
identical to this?
replaced-url
690 [13:00:04] <JPT> Not directly, but /var is its own partiton,
so maybe yes.
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692 [13:00:18] <ratrace> JPT: and this complain is on boot or
every time you try to start the service?
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694 [13:01:11] <ratrace> if it's only on boot, there could
be a race condition between fs mount and the service starting. which
is a bit weird as the unit has RequiresMountsFor
695 [13:01:17] <JPT> The file you linked is 100% the one i'm
using (apart from commenting out the ProtectSystem line)
696 [13:01:26] <JPT> The issue comes up everytime tomcat is
started
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698 [13:01:53] <JPT> So, no race condition with mounts not being
ready
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700 [13:02:20] <ratrace> JPT: well I'd recommend you toy
with strace to see what _exactly_ it's trying to access on the
filesystem
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702 [13:03:04] <JPT> Good idea
703 [13:04:04] <ratrace> you can add strace to the ExecStart of
the unit, use -o to strace into a file, and -f to include children
processes, and dont' forget to re-enable ProtectSystem=strict,
and systemctl daemon-reload to notice changes
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708 [13:05:57] <ratrace> JPT: alternatively, strace -f -p 1 in
one terminal and run systemctl start in the other but that'll
have a tiny megaton of extra output from preparing and starting the
service itself, which is not what you really need, you need traces
AFTER the execve of the ExecStart
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711 [13:06:36] <JPT> strace -o didn't output into
/tmp/foo.txt so ... hm.
712 [13:06:45] <JPT> I'll try a readwritepath
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715 [13:07:51] <JPT> Logging that into a file was a wise choice.
I already got about 24M worth of strace
716 [13:07:53] <ratrace> oh one more thing.... I don't know
if CacheDirectory would implicitly add /var/cache/tomcat9 to the
internal list of ReadWritePaths, so perhaps add THAT one as well to
ReadWritePaths explicitly, see if it fixes it
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718 [13:08:53] <JPT> I'll try that once i get my exception
logged, so i can stop strace :)
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720 [13:09:39] <JPT> 113M of strace. Nice. Now for the next
experiment
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722 [13:10:45] <ratrace> you can grep for the paths it's
complainig about, see just the syscalls related to them
723 [13:11:53] <ratrace> brb food
724 [13:12:07] <JPT> :)
725 [13:12:27] <JPT> openat() returns with EROFS. What the
hell...
726 [13:13:12] <JPT> That file is perfectly writable
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729 [13:16:29] <JPT> Look like adding the cache directory
didn't help
730 [13:17:04] <JPT> So to sum it up: ProtectSystem=strict
somehow results in syscalls for opening files to come back with
EROFS, which is misleading
731 [13:17:23] <JPT> I just realized something.
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733 [13:19:19] <JPT> Let's add the webapp directory to that
list which we - for SOME reason - did place in a completely
different location.
734 [13:19:36] <JPT> This is pure evil
735 [13:20:16] <JPT> How did this ever work before?
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737 [13:21:47] <JPT> Yep, that helps. Alright, i call my issue
solved. ratrace, thank you so much for holding my hand and giving
ideas!
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739 [13:28:26] <ratrace> JPT: yw
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741 [13:30:47] <JPT> :)
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795 [15:05:48] <radkos> Hello I'm having trouble with nvme
performance under Debian 10
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797 [15:06:50] <radkos> Under ubuntu 20.04 it's better.
I'm trying to find the reason in some kind of module - but no
luck so far.
798 [15:07:17] <radkos> The NVME model is SAMSUNG
MZ1LW1T9HMLS-00003
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802 [15:12:00] <diogenes_> radkos, cat
/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
803 [15:12:04] <diogenes_> what does it say?
804 [15:12:26] <ratrace> radkos: define "better"
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811 [15:27:36] <radkos> well I'm having 8,94 Load avg /1 min
on Debian 10 comparing to 1,24 Lavg/1 min under Ubuntu 20.04
812 [15:28:29] <ratrace> radkos: that's a very vague measure
that doesn't say anything at all
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814 [15:29:15] <ratrace> if you have 1m load avg of nearly 9,
it'd be easy to look up the process tree or top and see which
processes are causing it, compared to same on ubuntu, for the same
workload you're comparing
815 [15:30:04] <radkos> It's while doing FIO test
816 [15:30:16] <radkos> same command on both OSes
817 [15:30:28] <radkos> date; echo; fio --filename=/dev/nvme0n1
--direct=1 --rw=randread --bs=4k --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=256
--runtime=600 --numjobs=10 --time_based --group_reporting
--name=iops-test-job --readonly --output=fio_log.randread4k.log;
date
818 [15:31:16] <ratrace> radkos: and aside from load avg that
doesn't really saay anything, what are the final numbers in
terms of IOPS and bandwidth? same? similar? very different?
819 [15:31:51] <radkos> and ksoftirqd is eating like 70% CPU
which is signal for a trouble
820 [15:32:25] <radkos> IOPS are the same just seems that CPU irq
can't handle it
821 [15:32:34] <ratrace> don't forget you're running
two different kernel versions with a number of releases between them
822 [15:33:02] <radkos> I did install 5.4 from backports
823 [15:33:11] <radkos> the result is still the same
824 [15:33:52] <ratrace> so same IOPS and bandwidth on fio?
825 [15:34:04] <radkos> yes
826 [15:34:58] <radkos> forgot to mention it's happening
with XEN hypervisor - the package versions are the same just builder
is different
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828 [15:36:39] <ratrace> what ELSE do you have there's that
WAY different from your original question :)))
829 [15:37:07] <ratrace> It's debian. Okay, not really
it's a dom0 Debian. Okay not really, it's dom0 Debian with
backported kernel. Okay not really it's Ubuntu.
830 [15:37:18] <ratrace> sorry, domU. stop confuzing me :)
831 [15:38:06] <ratrace> so, like, is the Ubuntu thing you
compared to ALSO a domU?
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835 [15:42:56] <radkos> yes I've compared it with Ubuntu
with domU
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837 [15:43:30] <ratrace> radkos: all the relevant firmware loaded
in both?
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844 [15:48:48] <radkos> that's the thing I'm trying to
find if the firmware regarding this NVMe device is different
845 [15:49:11] <radkos> all I have is installed nonfree firmware
on debian and linux-firmware installed by default in ubuntu
846 [15:49:59] <radkos> on third run of FIO I've found
calltrace
847 [15:50:00] <radkos> [ 1015.472572] igb 0000:0d:00.0 eno1:
Reset adapter
848 [15:50:00] <radkos> [ 1050.769229] rcu: INFO: rcu_sched
self-detected stall on CPU
849 [15:50:00] <radkos> [ 1050.769278] rcu: 0-....: (1 GPs
behind) idle=3ae/1/0x4000000000000004 softirq=4458/4459 fqs=2187
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852 [15:53:18] <radkos> another possible reason might be
availability of linux-modules under Ubuntu - which I thing is an
extra package of modules for some devices
853 [15:53:24] <radkos> *think
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857 [15:58:10] <ratrace> radkos: there are three places where the
differences could mean something: kernel version, kernel patches
(SAUCE patches on Ubuntu that aren't upstreamed), firmware
package version
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911 [16:50:39] <genr8_> actually Im having the same issue with
NVME performance
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914 [16:51:53] <genr8_> sounds very similar to his
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926 [17:11:40] <genr8_> i see a vastly different result between 2
drives. 140MB/s vs 1200MB/s reads. writes are around 70 at the start
but drops down to 15, vs 277 sustained on the other one. gonna
change slots on my motherboard.
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930 [17:13:43] <NetTerminalGene> i get 30 MB/s write performance
with my ssd
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933 [17:16:15] <ratrace> y'all also check if you've got
TRIM enabled, perhaps switch to fstrim daily or weekly runs
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936 [17:19:24] <genr8_> thats not auto enabled?
937 [17:19:58] <NetTerminalGene> ,v thunderbird
938 [17:19:59] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie:
1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; buster: 1:68.7.0-1~deb10u1; jessie-security:
1:68.9.0-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:68.9.0-1~deb9u1;
stretch: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1;
buster-proposed-updates: 1:68.10.0-1~deb10u1; buster-security:
1:68.10.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:68.10.0-1; sid: 1:68.10.0-1;
939 [17:20:00] <judd> experimental: 1:78.0-1
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941 [17:20:47] <genr8_> whats the deal if i have LVM. where do i
set the discard mount ?
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946 [17:25:11] <genr8_> my LVM seems to have discard on it, but
it doesnt show that it does...
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949 [17:28:27] <frostschutz> genr8_, lvm has a issue_discards
option, but that just means it removes your data when you lvremove.
discard for filesystems always works normally, lvm does not change
anything there
950 [17:28:50] <genr8_> fstrim[21468]: /home: 336.8 GiB
(361649537024 bytes) trimmed on /dev/mapper/HELLOGOODBYE--vg-home
951 [17:28:52] <n_1-c_k> I'm looking for a contacts editor
that can import and export .vcf files, any recommendations?
952 [17:28:56] <genr8_> omfg
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954 [17:30:21] <frostschutz> genr8_, that's just how much
free space you have, it doesn't mean it wasn't trimmed
before, that only the ssd itself knows
955 [17:30:28] <genr8_> oh
956 [17:31:44] <genr8_> actually im not sure about that. I just
ran it again, and it came back with 0
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958 [17:32:02] <frostschutz> genr8_, reboot and it'll do all
free space again
959 [17:32:14] <genr8_> ok
960 [17:33:02] <frostschutz> that's unless you have a
filesystem that remembers these across reboots... ext4
doesn't... xfs always trims everything even if you don't
reboot between. you're not supposed to run fstrim that often
anyway
961 [17:33:43] <genr8_> I think that fixed it...
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966 [17:35:27] <frostschutz> make sure to have good backups...
there is no data recovery after trim
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988 [17:49:34] <ratrace> genr8_: that output means that 336 GB
was actually trimmed. I also set fstrim to run daily instead of
weekly for more frequent and smaller trims
989 [17:50:38] <ratrace> anyway, problem with online trim is that
some/many SSD firmwares are buggy. linux kernel contains a
blacklist^W denylist of devices with buggy TRIM and will block them,
but that list isn't complete
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999 [18:00:45] <dadinn> hi all
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1002 [18:01:40] <dadinn> Is there a way to test for crypsetup
LUKSv2 format support in scripts?
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1007 [18:06:29] <epictetus2> dadinn: cryptsetup --version
1008 [18:06:30] <epictetus2> cryptsetup 2.1.0
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1011 [18:07:25] <dadinn> epictetus2: thanks a lot! exactly what I
was hoping! ;)
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1021 [18:14:21] <annadane> a version number can tell you if it has
support in scripts? what/
1022 [18:14:23] <annadane> ?
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1026 [18:16:00] <ratrace> cryptsetup support luks2 as of 2.0.0
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1028 [18:17:02] <yanmaani> I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and I got a
few 'no space left on device messages', but the exit code
was zero. Is tehre anything I can do to fix it?
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1031 [18:18:10] <ratrace> aside from freeing up space?
1032 [18:18:30] <yanmaani> the space is freed up now; I had some
applications that were being updated open, so the old files
weren't cleaned properly
1033 [18:18:44] <yanmaani> but did it break my system?
1034 [18:19:18] <yanmaani> It said "dkms: WARNING: Linux
headers are missing, which may explain the above failures.",
but there weren't any failures above. Should I worry about
that?
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1037 [18:22:04] <annadane> sure, but then you have to know
it's supported as of luks2 and if you have to ask the question
it takes a mental leap to go from cryptsetup --version to "yes,
it's supported"
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1039 [18:23:03] <yanmaani> huh? Did my install break and is there
anything I can do to fix it?
1040 [18:24:02] <epictetus2> yanmaani: no you are fine. run
dist-upgrade again and apt upgrade and see what happens
1041 [18:25:10] <ratrace> yanmaani: frankly I'm not sure if
dpkg does fully transactional installations, something tells me it
doesn't. to be safe, I'd look up which packages were
upgraded via /var/log/apt/history.log, and I'd run a reinstall
for them, after trying just dist-upgrade again
1042 [18:26:20] <yanmaani> epictetus2: thanks. nothing happens so
it seems fine
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1047 [18:30:23] <ratrace> yanmaani: I'd still re-run the
installations. or you can try debsums and check package integrity.
for example, I know for a fact that post-inst scripts may fail and
the package would not be marked failed
1048 [18:30:30] <ratrace> so it's not fully transactional.
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1050 [18:31:11] <epictetus2> restore your system from backups and
do it again. BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE BACKUPS RIGHT?
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1054 [18:33:06] <yanmaani> epictetus2: I keep backups of my home
dir but I've never actually bothered with slash. hm maybe I
should do that
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1056 [18:33:28] <greycat> /home and /etc are the two most critical
thinsg to back up
1057 [18:33:30] <yanmaani> oooh debsums, that seems promising
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1060 [18:34:23] <epictetus2> yanmaani: on personal systems? nah I
dont bother either. I only have redundant backups of ~/real_home/
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1062 [18:42:23] <jhutchins> I've never had problems with apt*
failing to clean up files for open programs.
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1064 [18:48:16] <ratrace> I'd be more concerned with files
not installed or updated due to 'no space left on device'
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1124 [19:39:41] <Regor> how to check recently installed
applications in a week ? any filter/ grep witin apt ..?
1125 [19:40:31] <annadane> well you can check
/var/log/apt/history.log and scroll to the bottom
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1132 [19:45:40] <erentar> how can i manually trigger an offline
upgrade
1133 [19:45:49] <erentar> gnome-software broke
1134 [19:46:47] <Regor> thanks..
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1158 [20:07:20] <mason> Oh... Does the Buster fdisk support gpt
well enough to be safe now? I'm wondering if it's time to
discard gdisk.
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1160 [20:07:42] <greycat> fdisk has supported GPT for *several*
releases... since jessie, I think
1161 [20:07:58] <mason> greycat: Ah, nice nice. One tool to rule
them all. \o/
1162 [20:08:25] <greycat> Yeah, just checked the jessie man page
and it says it supports GPT.
1163 [20:08:54] <greycat> The wheezy man page explicitly says it
doesn't support GPT.
1164 [20:08:57] <mason> If it's been in that long,
that's enough time for the sharp edges to have worn away on the
flesh of the neophiles.
1165 [20:09:56] <mason> !sns
1166 [20:09:56] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1167 [20:10:12] <mason> ^ My favourite thing on IRC.
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1173 [20:12:22] <annadane> funnily enough we have two factoids for
it
1174 [20:12:25] <annadane> !sns syndrome
1175 [20:12:25] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1176 [20:12:43] <greycat> dpkg literal sns syndrome
1177 [20:12:43] <dpkg> "sns syndrome" is
"<reply> see sns"
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1198 [20:37:08] <annadane> where can i see patches for an already
installed package?
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1200 [20:38:13] <towo`> about what patches you speak?
1201 [20:38:23] <rudi_s> annadane: apt-get source package and look
in the debian/patches/ directory
1202 [20:38:24] <annadane> just generally
1203 [20:38:25] <greycat> packages.debian.org/yourpkg -> pick a
version -> "Download Source Package" menu, you can
fetch just the debian.tar.xz or whatever
1204 [20:38:50] <annadane> ah ok i just thought there was an
existing way to do it that has escaped my attention beyond apt
source package
1205 [20:38:55] <annadane> had*
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1207 [20:40:06] <genr8_> finally I figured out where my default
application assosciations were stored: ~/.config/mimeapps.list
1208 [20:40:14] <WizJin> hello, i am facing a weird issue.. i just
created a VPS on vultr, installed debian 10.3. Now if i try to
connect via Console facility of vultr, the root password works but
the very same password does not work while i log in from putty or
bitvise
1209 [20:40:45] <greycat> ssh denied root logins by default; you
can change that in sshd_config
1210 [20:41:12] <WizJin> ok
1211 [20:41:15] <greycat> grep PermitRoot /etc/ssh/sshd_config
1212 [20:41:21] <genr8_> the console on vultr is a physical
terminal
1213 [20:41:28] <genr8_> tty1
1214 [20:42:01] <genr8_> i havent found a way to break that yet :)
good feature from Vultr
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1216 [20:42:31] <WizJin> yes, its set as prohibit-password
1217 [20:42:44] <WizJin> what should i change it to ?
1218 [20:42:50] <greycat> yes
1219 [20:43:06] <greycat> and don't forget to remove the #
comment character (or copy the line and remove the # on the copy)
1220 [20:43:15] <ZeNEX> Hello guys, weird issue: when I launch
Konsole I am in the sudo group. When I launch gnome-terminal I am
not in the sudo group, what's going on??
1221 [20:43:27] <genr8_> you should really be using SSH keys for
root logins on publicly exposed SSH ports
1222 [20:43:37] <greycat> ZeNEX: did you change your groups since
you last logged in to GNOME?
1223 [20:44:11] <rudi_s> WizJin: But be very careful when doing
this on a public port like gen<tab> said. There are many
scanners out there which will attempt many passwords to gain root
access.
1224 [20:44:13] <genr8_> when you add yourself to a group, it
doesnt take effect till you re-login or start a new session
1225 [20:44:15] <ZeNEX> Nope, I logged out, then logged in,
verified I was in sudo, *then* installed gnome-terminal
1226 [20:44:26] <greycat> or, is your gnome-terminal possibly
using a multiplexed persistent session, from the distant past, when
you were not in that group yet?
1227 [20:44:30] <rudi_s> So best only consider that as a temporary
action and use pubkeys when you can.
1228 [20:44:36] <ZeNEX> greycat, maybe that's it
1229 [20:44:58] <ZeNEX> admittedly, I have no idea what a m.
session is
1230 [20:45:55] <greycat> like, tmux or screen ... or whatever the
flip gnome-terminal does
1231 [20:46:04] <ZeNEX> I'll reboot, if I don't come
back that means it worked, thanks
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1233 [20:47:39] <genr8_> WizJin, if you insist on being lazy and
using a password, make it a VERY strong password, 12 chars + and
follow the complexity rules. "PermitRootLogin yes" is the
directive you're looking for. also make sure
"PasswordAuthentication yes" is on.
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1235 [20:48:49] <WizJin> i am not familar with publickey method
but i need to usually access this box from multiple other boxes, so
i assume for publickey method i will have to generate key for each
client right ?
1236 [20:48:52] <greycat> Key logins are strongly advised if
it's exposed to the Internet.
1237 [20:49:42] <mutante> WizJin: you don't have to, you
could also just copy/paste the same key. usually people recommend
using one for each client though
1238 [20:50:19] <greycat> You generally want to avoid ever copying
the private key, if possible.
1239 [20:50:35] <WizJin> this is just a temp vps for something i
am experimenting with
1240 [20:50:43] <WizJin> i ll probably destory it in 3-4 days
1241 [20:50:55] <WizJin> and host the solution on a full-fledged
server
1242 [20:51:02] <mutante> the botnets will start testing your
password within the first hour though
1243 [20:51:03] <WizJin> but anyways, i need to learn this private
key affair
1244 [20:51:18] <WizJin> so i ll take that road ahead
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1254 [20:55:42] <gordonfish> One of the first thing I do when
setting up a new server (often VPSs) for a client that there's
any chance I'll need to access again, is set key auth only for
ssh (along with some iptables/nftables to further lock it down.)
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1295 [21:33:38] <jhutchins> Also good to run it on an alternative
port.
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1321 [22:08:22] <genr8_> is there a way in "ls" to chase
down and follow all symlinks when im trying to "ls" a
symlink and it leads to like 6 more symlinks (like when related to
the "alternatives" system)
1322 [22:08:34] <greycat> ls -lL
1323 [22:09:13] <genr8_> ok that leads me to the end. what about
the ones in the middle. bash script time?
1324 [22:09:14] <greycat> depends on what you actually want to
see, though
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1327 [22:10:03] <genr8_> actually that didnt even work properly.
the path wasnt right
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1329 [22:10:38] <greycat> "ls -lL /usr/bin/vi" for
example shows me the size and permissions and so on for the ultimate
target of the /usr/bin/vi symlink chain
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1331 [22:10:51] <greycat> but it doesn't show me the
*location* of the final target, if that's what you were after
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1333 [22:10:59] <genr8_> yeaaa
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1335 [22:12:52] <NetTerminalGene> when will debian 10 be released?
1336 [22:12:57] <NetTerminalGene> debian 11*
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1338 [22:13:04] <greycat> !bullseye
1339 [22:13:04] <dpkg> The release following Debian 10
"Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's
horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current
"testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable
release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and
it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things.
replaced-url
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1341 [22:13:23] <sney> when it's ready. (probably around this
time next year)
1342 [22:13:25] <greycat> pretty sure there's a partial
timeline on the wiki page... doesn't seem to be linked from the
factoid though
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1344 [22:13:50] <NetTerminalGene> they say gnome 3.16 is very
smooth
1345 [22:14:09] <NetTerminalGene> 3.36*
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1349 [22:16:06] <ratrace> like a lubricated giant baloon covered
in silk?
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1354 [22:22:58] <annadane>
replaced-url
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1356 [22:24:23] <tarzeau> is someone doing npm packages in here? i
really like homebridge.io but i just install npm, then npm install
the stuff i need
1357 [22:24:35] <tarzeau> (i'm aware of npm2deb thing)
1358 [22:25:40] <tarzeau> NetTerminalGene: i've got a guess
of when the next stable release comes out at
replaced-url
1359 [22:26:21] <greycat> the announcements of the actual
projected timeline by the Debian devs has pretty much killed the
"betting pools"
1360 [22:26:55] <tarzeau> where can i read those announcements?
1361 [22:27:09] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1363 [22:27:32] <tarzeau> i've got a home in the forest
(it's fiber internet connected) but still. /me goes read that
up (i never run that old stable stuff, i call it software from
yesterday)
1364 [22:27:42] <greycat> which links to ... uh, a broken link,
but it shoudl be
replaced-url
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1366 [22:28:03] <tarzeau> link worked for me, 2021-02-12 soft
freeze, +1 month hard freeze
1367 [22:28:09] * greycat fixes
1368 [22:28:50] <greycat> crap... should be
replaced-url
1369 [22:28:57] <greycat> that's what I changed it to, since
that's the one that works
1370 [22:29:02] <greycat> I don't know why it pasted the
broken one in IRC
1371 [22:29:07] <tarzeau> ah
1372 [22:29:25] <tarzeau> let's release, nice slogan below
the title, misses the let's dance
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