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2[00:02:49] <jhutchins> ,v openshot
3[00:02:50] <judd> Package: openshot on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1; jessie: 1.4.3-1.1; buster: 1.4.3-1.2; sid: 1.4.3-1.2; stretch: 1.4.3-1.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; jessie-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; stretch-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4
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25[00:10:44] <person_> can't run steam, because "I'm missing 32 bit libc.so.6". I'm tired of steam's bullshit, what to do?
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39[00:15:24] <damiano> person_: Find out if any package contains that file, install that package, try again.
40[00:15:34] <damiano> Find it from the command line with "apt-file"
41[00:15:46] <damiano> Probably, you can also search on the web for packages containing a file.
42[00:15:55] <damiano> Check packages.debian.org
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45[00:16:57] <person_> dpkg tells me that I already have libc6:amd64 installed
46[00:17:11] <damiano> Aha.
47[00:17:30] <damiano> You'll need the :i386 version of that package in addition.
48[00:17:31] <person_> I've looked it up and other people have had this issue too, but I couldn't find a solution
49[00:17:34] <person_> oooh
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51[00:17:59] <damiano> At least in the aptitude package manager frontend, you have "bla" and "bla:i386" as separate packages.
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53[00:18:14] <damiano> But, unfortunately I couldn't explain you the magic behind this.
54[00:18:15] <person_> "Package libc6:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package."
55[00:18:20] <damiano> Hmm
56[00:18:42] <damiano> Since it's something as common als libc6, it might be in some package with a completely different name.
57[00:18:47] <person_> However the following packages replace it: libdb1-compat tzdata
58[00:19:03] <damiano> There are some "basic" packages you need for multiarch, but I don't remember what they're called.
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60[00:19:18] <damiano> Well, tzdata doesn't make any sense.
61[00:19:25] <damiano> The first one doesn't ring a bell.
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63[00:19:53] <person_> hmm
64[00:20:06] <damiano> Anyway, I'd try searching for a guide for how to run 32bit apps on a 64bit debian.
65[00:20:24] <damiano> See if there are any packages you need for that in general.
66[00:20:33] <person_> really there couldn't be a 32 bit version of steam? :( and shouldn't 32bit be compatible?
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68[00:21:14] <damiano> 1) you need to ask Valve that, 2) Don't know. As I said: I don't know magic.
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70[00:21:28] <person_> do you think if I installed one of those packages it could work?
71[00:22:00] <damiano> If you don't have the "whatever it needs for multi-arch" packages installed, then yes, I'd install those.
72[00:22:08] <damiano> But, I don't know which they would be.
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74[00:22:22] <damiano> I'm really also just guessing my way through this. Sorry.
75[00:22:31] <damiano> Oh
76[00:22:33] <person_> thanks for help anyway
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79[00:22:51] <damiano> It's possible that you need to adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list
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81[00:22:53] <person_> I installed one of those and it didn't work
82[00:23:07] <damiano> Depending on how it's set up, you can only "see" the 64bit packages.
83[00:23:45] <person_> I didn't change the defaults
84[00:23:50] <damiano> Looking into it from one of my machines:
85[00:23:51] <damiano> deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
86[00:24:06] <damiano> Looks to me like I'm not getting any 32bit libs here.
87[00:24:10] <person_> I don't have contrib and non free enabled
88[00:24:26] <damiano> And, I think the arch=amd64 is on my other machines.
89[00:24:37] <damiano> I don't think you need contrib and non-free.
90[00:24:41] <person_> oh ok
91[00:24:48] <damiano> Not if it's just libc6 missing.
92[00:24:58] <person_> I have it installed
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94[00:25:05] <coruja> !multiarch
95[00:25:05] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
96[00:25:21] <damiano> And, I didn't change my apt sources.list on this machine myself either. But still, I have machines that have arch= in it, and others not.
97[00:25:34] <person_> why is it so hard? :/
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100[00:26:52] <damiano> Because your computer today basically work how some research lab assistant quickly hacked something together that resembled an operating system in the early seventies for that spare PDP-9 that was lying around.
101[00:27:27] <damiano> And change is not affordable, for the sake of backwards-compatibility.
102[00:27:41] <damiano> Stop me, if I become too cynic.
103[00:28:17] <person_> it certainly often seems like it
104[00:28:47] <person_> packages for packages, layers on layers
105[00:29:01] <damiano> Had a rough week. Trying to get a program to run that was linked against one version of libiconv, but tried to load a different one it found at run time...
106[00:29:13] <damiano> Again, systems designed in the 70s
107[00:29:27] <person_> I had a rough week too, everything is broken
108[00:29:35] <damiano> You can say that again.
109[00:29:57] <person_> have you tried to compile from source?
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114[00:30:48] <person_> I had a similar problem one and the only solution I found was to use an .appimage the developer provided
115[00:30:58] <damiano> I'm one of the upstream developers, that's what made it rough ;)
116[00:31:28] <damiano> It was actually not even on Debian, but the problem could have happened with Debian in exactly the same way.
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118[00:32:01] <damiano> It was on macOS, where Apple ships a version of libiconv, and macports also happened to have a version of libiconv installed on the machine I was tinkering around.
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120[00:32:37] <person_> :D
121[00:32:42] <person_> have you solved it?
122[00:32:55] <damiano> Actually, Apple added one detail to the linker (clang) that I don't think gcc has: when linking dynamically, it somehow embeds the version of the library it saw at link time.
123[00:33:09] <damiano> And, if the loader then only finds a library with an older version, it refuses to load.
124[00:33:25] <damiano> So, the error message you get makes it quite clear that something is broken.
125[00:33:27] <damiano> Which is nice.
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128[00:33:54] <damiano> Yes, well, the solution in the end was not to allow the loader to search the path where the "broken" libiconv was.
129[00:34:20] <damiano> Use LD_LIBRARY_PATH as a quick workaround for testing.
130[00:34:29] <damiano> Or rather DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH on macOS.
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132[00:34:52] <person_> interesting :)
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135[00:35:34] <person_> some bot named dpkg tried to argue with my just now
136[00:36:05] <damiano> Freenode was quite overrun by bots a few days ago.
137[00:36:12] <person_> really?
138[00:36:26] <damiano> Yeah, I got around 200 queries from random users.
139[00:36:28] <person_> dpkg: hey
140[00:36:28] <dpkg> moin moin, person_
141[00:36:31] <damiano> 200 differnt users.
142[00:36:41] <person_> wooah someone is popular
143[00:36:57] <damiano> Well, probably a lot of users were affected.
144[00:37:05] <person_> I see
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146[00:37:27] <person_> I'm guessing they banned the bots?
147[00:37:31] <damiano> A lot of IPs and users were blacklisted. I know many people IRL who couldn't connect for a few days.
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149[00:37:39] <person_> :O
150[00:37:44] <person_> damn
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152[00:38:08] <person_> why are they called bots anyway? it's not like it's a robot sitting in front of a computer (maybe in the future), it's just a program
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154[00:38:59] <person_> dpkg: are you a program?
155[00:39:00] <dpkg> person_: I wish you would RTFM.
156[00:39:12] <person_> dpkg: or are you are robot?
157[00:39:13] <dpkg> ...but or is already something else...
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163[00:40:48] <damiano> Whelp, I should be getting to bed.
164[00:40:51] <damiano> It's late.
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167[00:40:57] <damiano> In my time zone anyway.
168[00:41:05] <damiano> Good night, person_.
169[00:41:20] <person_> damiano: here too, goodnight!
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171[00:43:03] <n4dir> person_: you can talk to the bot dpkg in private
172[00:43:08] <n4dir> in case you don't know.
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174[00:43:21] <person_> I don't know him that well
175[00:43:49] <n4dir> he ain't that shy ... it seems :-)
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178[00:44:16] <person_> we talked there for a moment but he wasn't making any sense :)
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180[00:44:48] <coruja> he's polite, only speaks up when called before ;)
181[00:45:00] <tomreyn> whom, trump?
182[00:45:16] <tomreyn> sorry, felt like trolling zhere
183[00:45:19] <person_> no, actually I mentioned a program called dpkg and he started talking to me :)
184[00:45:22] <Cobalt> Hello. I have a bluetooth speaker I want to pair with, in Jessie. I successfully scan for it in bluetoothctl, pair and trust it. However, /var/log/syslog lists it as being recognised as a keyboard, and pulseaudio does not therefore recognise it as a sink. Is it possible to force bluez to recognise the speaker as a speaker instead?
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189[00:45:57] <n4dir> dpkg is a good bot
190[00:45:57] <dpkg> n4dir: :)
191[00:46:04] <person_> :D
192[00:46:05] <n4dir> there. he did it again. mofu.
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195[00:46:58] <person_> dpkg, good bot, still young, but at least doesn't have to worry about captcha discrimination against bots
196[00:46:59] <dpkg> aw, gee, person_
197[00:47:32] <person_> only when he grows up he will see how cruel human's word can be
198[00:47:41] <coruja> please no offtopic when support is pending
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201[00:48:48] <person_> Cobalt: you probably want to force pulseaudio to recognise it right? maybe there is some option when you check the manual?
202[00:49:57] <Cobalt> person_: Well, the only useful thing I've seen so far to force A2DP is in the Arch wiki which asks to use pavucontrol; I'm running headless, therefore I can't use that to force that.
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204[00:50:46] <person_> Cobalt: I'm not sure what that means but if it's not an option, maybe you could try alsa?
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206[00:51:33] <Cobalt> person_: pulseaudio and alsa both work fine. The problem I have is when I pair and connect with the speaker, it gets recognised as a HID/keyboard instead.
207[00:51:54] <Cobalt> Because that happens, pulseaudio's bluetooth module does not discover it as a sink, and therefore cannot output audio to it.
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209[00:52:30] <Cobalt> My understanding is that I need to force bluez to use the A2DP profile for the device, but I've no idea how to do so in the CLI.
210[00:52:39] <person_> Cobalt: what part of the OS is responsible for recognising it?
211[00:52:42] <b0b> person_: you did get that dpkg gave you the solution to your multiarch problem? (kindly incited by coruja)
212[00:53:19] <Cobalt> person_: bluez.
213[00:53:54] <Cobalt> person_: I get this in the log - [82617.779464] hid-generic 0005:0000:0000.0004: input,hidraw0: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [BM6] on b8:27:eb:dc:99:e7
214[00:54:03] <Cobalt> This device is a mono speaker.
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216[00:55:09] <person_> b0b: I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me! I did that and it says: "Odd number of elements in hash assignment at /usr/share/pkg-config-dpkghook line 30."
217[00:55:18] <person_> b0b: what does it mean?
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219[00:56:29] <person_> Cobalt: can you use hciconfig to configure it?
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222[00:57:04] <Cobalt> person_: Should be able to, but I'm not sure how to.
223[00:57:36] <person_> Cobalt: have you read the manual? if not start from there
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225[00:58:48] <Cobalt> person_: Emm. I have a feeling the solution is going to be a bit more refined than than. Let me try adding a conf file.
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228[01:00:13] <person_> Cobalt: it's all I can think of. I hope someone else with more knowledge will tell you the solution, but before that happens you can try looking through different options in manual
229[01:03:27] <b0b> person_: what's the output of `dpkg --print-foreign-architectures`?
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232[01:06:21] <Cobalt> person_: Do you know if pulseaudio requires X11 to run properly? At the moment, I've added audio.conf (which wasn't under /etc/bluetooth) and the device now gets recognised as a speaker, but now pulseaudio complains about no X, and DBUS doesn't seem to like it either.
233[01:06:56] <n4dir> Cobalt: i got no clue of the subject bluetooth at all. the web gives this (but it is rather old): replaced-url
234[01:07:40] <n4dir> ah, you are already a step further. sorry
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236[01:09:01] <Cobalt> n4dir: This bit, I've managed to sort out; audio.conf with some relevant settings was missing under /etc/bluetooth. Doing that and restarting service bluetooth is a step further ahead. Now I need to figure out why it wants X11.
237[01:10:31] <n4dir> my best advice: ask again later or perhaps in #linux or such. Right now no one here seems to know much bout it. Anyway: good luck.
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240[01:11:42] <Cobalt> This is a bit roundabout; it seems pulseaudio inherits alsa devices as sink. Weird. And I don't think this is being done automatically, so I'll need to look into creating an alsa device of some sort.
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242[01:12:11] <asterismo_l> hi, is there support for mobile broadband connection in Debian LXDE?
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245[01:14:59] <Cobalt> Meh. I'll ask again later. Pulseaudio is a different beast altogether. :S
246[01:15:03] <Cobalt> Thanks for the pointers.
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258[01:22:06] <person_> b0b: it says: i366
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260[01:23:05] <person_> b0b: I made a mistake in the command :O
261[01:23:25] <b0b> ;)
262[01:23:33] <b0b> dpkg --remove-architecture i366
263[01:23:33] * dpkg fetches a wrecking ball and knocks down a few famous buildings. Architecture removed!
264[01:24:45] <b0b> good bot
265[01:24:55] <person_> lol
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268[01:25:10] <person_> that solved everything, thanks! :)
269[01:25:21] <b0b> sure
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272[01:26:23] <person_> You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
273[01:26:23] <person_> libGL.so.1
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275[01:26:32] <person_> maaaan
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279[01:29:06] <b0b> found this: `sudo apt-get install--reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri:i386` here: replaced-url
280[01:29:42] <b0b> typo in it
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282[01:30:00] <b0b> `sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri:i386`
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285[01:30:57] <person_> 182 MB of additional disk space will be used :O
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287[01:31:57] <person_> I hope I'm installing steam for the last time in my life. Fuck proprietary soft and drm!
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290[01:32:45] <person_> it's still complaining about libGL.so.1
291[01:33:30] <coruja> apt-file search libGL.so.1
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294[01:34:22] <person_> there are like hundreds of packages that start with the name libgl, already checked
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296[01:34:36] <person_> I don't know which one to install
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302[01:36:00] <b0b> person_: did you read replaced-url
303[01:36:15] <coruja> not that many replaced-url
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305[01:37:19] <person_> coruja: I didn't put the 1 at the end
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307[01:37:30] <person_> b0b: I did
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309[01:39:08] <person_> I did apt-get install libgl1:i386 and it finally works
310[01:39:10] <b0b> what's your gpu?
311[01:39:10] <person_> thank you
312[01:39:18] <Cobalt> Managed to get sound, but result is inconsistent. Various cycles of restarting the bluetooth service, pulseaudio and connecting/pairing worked in the end, with horrible lag, as evidenced by lines and lines in the syslog.
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317[01:39:55] <Cobalt> Hmm, it lags if I don't give it time to rest. Lol.
318[01:40:00] <person_> that's bad
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320[01:40:13] <person_> what?!
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322[01:41:25] <Cobalt> I dunno. Buffering problem; this is on a Raspberry Pi Zero W. Maybe text-to-speech isn't the best to try this on.
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324[01:41:43] <person_> steam doesn't let you paste with middle mouse, any way to fix that?
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327[01:42:03] <person_> Cobalt: try some music maybe?
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330[01:42:45] <Cobalt> person_: I think I might settle for this for now; I know it's possible, tbough I'm not quite sure why or how. Magic maybe. Will look into it a little bit more tomorrow.
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335[01:44:41] <person_> good luck
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342[01:48:34] <asterismo_l> anyone?
343[01:48:40] <person_> hi
344[01:48:59] <asterismo_l> hi, is there support for mobile broadband connection in Debian LXDE?
345[01:49:08] <person_> have you tried turning it off and on?
346[01:49:26] <person_> sorry I had to do that at least once
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348[01:49:31] <asterismo_l> the modem?
349[01:49:47] <person_> usb lte modem?
350[01:50:09] <asterismo_l> its a gobi modem inside the laptop
351[01:50:22] <asterismo_l> i have no switch
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353[01:50:51] <person_> why don't you try a live cd and see for yourself? it's probablt the best way to be sure
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355[01:51:52] <person_> it might require installing some firmware though
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357[01:52:49] <coruja> asterismo_l, install network-manager-gnome
358[01:53:27] <person_> oh that's what he meant
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360[01:53:36] <asterismo_l> but wouldn't that conflict with wicd?
361[01:53:58] <coruja> which will also pull in modemmanager and mobile-broadband-provider-info
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363[01:54:29] <coruja> find out
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365[01:54:46] <person_> I think you can have both
366[01:55:43] <coruja> network-manager also covers wired and wifi connections, so one could let go wicd (afterwards)
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370[01:56:48] <person_> isn't network-manager for wep only or am I confusing something?
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372[01:57:23] <coruja> i use nm for mobile broadband almost daily for years
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374[01:57:37] <person_> no but I mean wifi
375[01:58:08] <coruja> never tried myself but i thought so
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377[01:58:21] <paqcito> Hi! I was wondering if there's someone with bash experience over here. I'm just learning bash, I've been using Linux for almost a month and I'm looking forward write scripts, but I do not have a wide idea of what I can write, where I can find exercises or scripts to run and study them. Anyone who can help me?
378[01:58:52] <coruja> paqcito, join #bash
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382[01:59:24] <paqcito> coruja: Thanks!
383[01:59:31] <person_> I might be able to find something
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400[02:06:06] <person_> paqcito: someone sent me those yesterday: replaced-url
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402[02:08:20] <person_> paqcito: script for autotyping passwords with pass: replaced-url
403[02:10:02] <person_> paqcito: replaced-url
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412[02:16:45] <Henry151> hello
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415[02:17:03] <person_> hello
416[02:17:18] <person_> how are you this beautiful night
417[02:17:47] <Henry151> cross-posting from ##linux but I am looking to find a debian app that will either locally transcribe text from an audio recording of an interview or phonecall, or a debian app that will send the audio to google's api and return a transcription using their engine
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419[02:18:28] <Henry151> I downloaded "transcribe" thinking "oh boy that was easy, here it is" and it was not what I'm looking for, it's a tool to assist manual transcription, I'm looking for a fully automated/mechanized transcription from an audio file
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423[02:19:46] <Henry151> so, any advice welcomed, I'm hoping there is something I can install with apt that will do the trick for me
424[02:20:34] <person_> don't know any personally but
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426[02:21:13] <person_> maybe some of this will help
427[02:21:15] <person_> replaced-url
428[02:21:37] <Henry151> thank you person_
429[02:21:41] <person_> replaced-url
430[02:21:48] <Henry151> I'm downloading pocketsphinx now
431[02:21:54] <person_> replaced-url
432[02:22:17] <person_> let me know if it works, you got me curious :)
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438[02:23:56] <veg> hey there - what's the status of Debian kFreeBSD?
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476[02:43:36] <person_> never join #bash channel guys
477[02:43:47] <person_> they will kick you for jokes about bash
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479[02:44:31] <dvs> so they'll kick you out for bashing bash?
480[02:44:39] <person_> yes! :)
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482[02:45:03] <person_> I told them they could't kick me if jokes were on topic
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484[02:45:09] <person_> but they did
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486[02:45:20] <person_> where is the logic in that?
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492[02:47:49] <szyszeja> hi
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494[02:49:01] <person_> hey
495[02:49:37] <KAKAKJI> HI
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497[02:51:31] <szyszeja> hello, first ... i speak english like a dog ..
498[02:52:03] <person_> ok
499[02:52:09] <dvs> ???
500[02:52:09] <szyszeja> im trying to configure audio
501[02:52:13] <person_> english dog?
502[02:52:34] <person_> because german dog wouldn't speak the same
503[02:52:52] <KAKAKJI> HI
504[02:53:02] <szyszeja> lol
505[02:53:12] <Tramp> person_: you were kicked, but not banned - so I consider it a "friendly kick".
506[02:53:19] <szyszeja> i have problems with mpd
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508[02:53:44] * dvs kicks Tramp "friendily"
509[02:53:46] <szyszeja> if im using firefox, i cant use ncmpcpp
510[02:54:34] <szyszeja> i configure /etc/mpd.conf to use pulse
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512[02:55:17] <szyszeja> on ncmpcpp i use pulse output but not sound
513[02:55:57] <szyszeja> sound works if i close firefox
514[02:56:02] <person_> Tramp: in bash? no I wasn't even doing anything wrong, so I'm assuming it was somebody's way to feel important
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520[02:58:23] <person_> szyszeja: that is weird
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524[02:59:59] <person_> *
525[03:00:18] <KAKAKJI> **
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527[03:00:21] <person_> how to do the * is doing something * thing
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529[03:01:16] <person_> I always wanted to learn
530[03:01:26] <KAKAKJI> HHHHMMMMMM
531[03:01:35] <person_> * always wanted to learn
532[03:01:44] <szyszeja> hi
533[03:01:45] <KAKAKJI> *HHHHMMMMM
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535[03:01:49] <person_> hi
536[03:01:52] <KAKAKJI> HI THER
537[03:02:06] <KAKAKJI> HOW OLD ARE YOU
538[03:02:34] <person_> lol what am I doing with my life
539[03:02:58] <KAKAKJI> A DONT NOW
540[03:03:30] <b0b> person_: you want /me i guess (that didn't come out right)
541[03:03:56] <person_> b0b: yes I want you
542[03:04:06] <szyszeja> somebody can help me?
543[03:04:12] <person_> but that's not what I was asking
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545[03:04:27] * b0b thinks about the * question
546[03:04:39] <KAKAKJI> ***
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548[03:05:00] * person_ is wondering if b0b knows al1ce
549[03:05:15] <KAKAKJI> YES HI NOM
550[03:05:26] <person_> hi mom
551[03:05:32] <themill> I think that's enough
552[03:05:33] <szyszeja> interestng
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554[03:06:07] <person_> szyszeja: sorry I don't know how to help you, try asking later, also ask people from ncmpp or what it's called
555[03:06:29] <b0b> so what were you asking, person_ ?
556[03:06:45] <person_> b0b: so imagine bob wants to talk to alice...
557[03:06:56] <KAKAKJI> HHHHHHHHH
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562[03:08:17] <person_> b0b: but they cab't trust the network
563[03:08:30] <person_> b0b: and alice recently broke up with him
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565[03:09:11] <Henry151> I was going to name my computer bob@alice
566[03:09:20] <person_> hahahaha
567[03:09:27] <KAKAKJI> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH HHH HH H H H
568[03:09:35] <Henry151> and my volume bob and my partition alice
569[03:09:50] <Henry151> ha
570[03:09:51] <person_> bob on alice?
571[03:09:51] <Henry151> ha
572[03:09:52] <Henry151> ha
573[03:10:03] <Henry151> bob@alice.encrypted
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575[03:10:11] <person_> :D
576[03:10:14] <Henry151> so anyway
577[03:10:21] <person_> that's good
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579[03:10:57] <person_> I wanted to name mine iamnot@home
580[03:11:07] <Henry151> I'm trying to do this replaced-url
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589[03:13:46] <b0b> Henry151: you mean how to set the variable or how to get a key?
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610[03:25:08] <kannan> hello. I would like to use get the source for a package installed with apt-get. Then, i want to replace some .c files and then repackage it. The package is asterisk.
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615[03:30:06] <themill> !package recompile
616[03:30:06] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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622[03:33:02] <Henry151> b0b: I didn't know how to set the variable; but I cross-posted in ##linux and somebody showed me how, thanks
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628[03:38:36] <kannan> themill : thank you
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630[03:39:21] <person_> goodnight everyone
631[03:39:43] <person_> my PC needs some sleep
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633[03:39:52] <nur0n> hello, I'm having trouble installing a package (spl-dkms) and I think I pinpointed the problem, I have to add flags to configure (I'm not running vanilla debian so the kernel is different?). I tried pulling the source and editing the debian/rules file to add flags through DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS. then I run 'debuild -b -uc -us'. however I can see
634[03:39:52] <nur0n> in the output that the configure flags that I added are not present. any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
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637[03:40:26] <jvelasquez> hi. I'm compiling a deb from source, gst-plugins, and then got this error: dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/nvidia-384/libEGL.so.1 (used by debian/libgstreamer-plugin.....) So I checked, and libEGL.so.1 is part of nvidia-384.
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697[04:22:46] <kannan> themill : I am receiving an error - pl see it here -> replaced-url
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699[04:23:28] <kannan> should i first issue dpkg-source --commit?
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706[04:26:46] <themill> kannan: yes
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710[04:27:24] <kannan> themill - ty
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727[04:45:38] <Letchik> test
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793[05:55:18] <Frogmorton> Hi am I able to remotely share the desktop on my debian notebook? I'm on win10, I can rdp to it or run X desktop or apps here, but I want to access an app already running on the remote desktop, and disconnect and leave it running there.
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820[06:14:06] <Frogmorton> Where can I find settings for any sleep-mode or whatever makes USB communications stop? Seems to happen after the screen goes blank. The 3D printer manager eventually stops sending commands to the printer. Can't find anything specific in bios.
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833[06:20:43] <somiaj> Frogmorton: is the maching actually going into suspend mode? Maybe see if there is a power saving feature and turn that off. Not all modules correctly revive after a suspend. Sometimes they need to be manually reloaded (you can script this).
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836[06:23:46] <Frogmorton> Will check it again but pretty sure I have disable suspend.
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842[06:30:39] <somiaj> I don't see why console blanking in xorg would affect the hardware like that. If the hardware is timing out, that might be another issue, but unsure how to track it down.
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844[06:32:13] <Rusty1_> clt-alt-f1 and dmesg?
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846[06:32:54] <somiaj> you could just run dmesg from a termainal, and in stretch normal users can't run it by default, maybe check journalctl
847[06:33:37] <somiaj> that is where I would start to look for things if you are sure it isn't because the machine is going into and out of suspend.
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849[06:33:57] <somiaj> You could turn off xorg blanking with 'xset s off' and maybe 'xset -dpms', but I doubt that xblanking is the issue.
850[06:35:23] <somiaj> Rusty1_: what desktop do you use?
851[06:35:30] <Frogmorton> I will try a different app and see if it has the same issue. The problem app was written in mono I think
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853[06:36:32] <maxcell_> good evening
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855[06:37:05] <Rusty1_> somiaj: xmonad
856[06:37:42] <Rusty1_> right now on a live session with kde
857[06:37:47] <somiaj> Rusty1_: yea I got you confused with Frogmorton.
858[06:38:01] <Rusty1_> :-)
859[06:39:07] <themill> the journal should record sleep events and iirc also include usb power down events
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861[06:41:00] <Frogmorton> That should help
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868[06:48:26] <Frogmorton> Ew journalctl shows ACPI BIOS errors.
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893[07:12:30] <allan_wind> I just installed debian on a laptop (that was working fine before w/ ubuntu) and seeing frequent network timeout. Any ideas?
894[07:13:05] <allan_wind> (ssh, ping etc)
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896[07:13:52] <allan_wind> it seems to have something to do when screensaver kicks in
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905[07:20:02] <somiaj> allan_wind: what version of debian did you install? What network card? install any firmware for the network card?
906[07:20:44] <somiaj> allan_wind: and what do you mean by screen saver? this isn't an auto suspend.
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910[07:22:43] <allan_wind> 9.1, intel i219-lm it says, and not sure I installed non-free firmware yet (this is wired to same switch/router as my client where I notice the problem)
911[07:23:09] <Trap-Chan> so apparently retroarch/libretro is WAY behind current stable on debian?
912[07:23:43] <allan_wind> somiaj: it sorta seems related to xscreensaver kicking in but not sure. I have the remote host with the problem and when network hangs it is responsive on terminal.
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915[07:24:10] <allan_wind> I going to swap out the cable for good measure
916[07:24:15] <allan_wind> I am ..
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918[07:24:52] <somiaj> allan_wind: it just seems strange that the xscreensaver would affect the network. Have you tried to disable the screensaver?
919[07:25:34] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: debian stable is frozen, so the version is whatever was packaged for debian durn the freeze near the end of last year.
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921[07:26:09] <Trap-Chan> whys that?
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924[07:27:20] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: that is just how debian release work. Debian release will freeze and then have a few months of testing before the release.
925[07:28:25] <Trap-Chan> so just all software packages even those not related to the os itself update on the os timeframe? that's a unique way of doing it.
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930[07:30:44] <allan_wind> somiaj: swapping cable didn't help
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934[07:33:13] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: all software. A frozen system has many strengths. All the packages in debian have been tested and work together. Rc bugs have been fixed and during the life of the release only security and bug fixes happen. This means things are in a state that is known to work, one draw back is software is not upto date with upstream after a while.
935[07:33:24] <mrm> Before anyone says "just google it", I already have, half the information contradicts the other half and claims it doesn't work, is several years old, etc.
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937[07:33:50] <mrm> So, current amd64 debian stable, what's the solution for filling out xfa forms?
938[07:35:09] <Trap-Chan> somiaj, i can very clearly see both sides.
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941[07:37:04] <mrm> Tried both evince and okular, neither work, and all I can find of people getting adobe reader to work in linux through either their old discontinued i386 thing or trying to get any version at all running in wine keeps claiming that it's not working for them.
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945[07:38:32] <mrm> I'm advising someone remotely on this, so anything that 'just works' without having to walk them through recompiling a patched version of wine would be appreciated.
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948[07:40:38] <themill> mrm: acroread's crappy old thing from deb-multimedia.org works
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952[07:41:33] <themill> mrm: evince, okular and friends work for some sorts of PDF forms but not XFA
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954[07:41:41] <mrm> themill: Are you sure on amd64? I'm seeing a lot of things claiming it doesn't.
955[07:41:52] <themill> I use it routinely
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957[07:42:09] <mrm> Wonderful, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear.
958[07:42:13] <themill> sadly, $work has many of these forms for me to 'ejnoy'
959[07:42:26] <allan_wind> somiaj: I don't see anything obvious (xfce) and it does not look like xscreensaver is running. It is probably xset blank and/or dpms. It's not consistent though
960[07:42:40] <themill> !multiarch
961[07:42:40] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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963[07:42:59] <themill> mrm: ^^ it's an i386 package but works on amd64 thanks to multiarch
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965[07:43:28] <themill> mrm: note that if you're enabling deb-multimedia.org you probably want to prevent other crap getting installed form there; /msg dpkg dmm pinning
966[07:43:30] <mrm> themill: Yea, the gf is applying for a govt job, and their application process is giving a taste of that 'enjoyment'
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969[07:43:51] <mrm> themill: Thanks, that was the next thing I was going to ask.
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974[07:46:10] <allan_wind> somiaj: I determined it's this particular laptop as it "freezes" from multiple different hosts
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984[07:53:01] <Trap-Chan> so apparently flatpack is avialable on debian repos even though it seems to be an apt alternative that cercumvents the release timing? :P
985[07:53:24] <allan_wind> somiaj: It seems to not freeze if I run a loop for date; sleep in one window.
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987[07:54:07] <allan_wind> weird, right?
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1000[08:06:48] <guu> hi I just upgrad to buster, I found out that ,apt-get's so ( /usr/local/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 ) always be replaced by/usr/local/lib64/libstdc++.so.6.0.20
1001[08:07:19] <themill> guu: if it' in usr/local it's not from debian
1002[08:07:48] <guu> but /usr/local/lib64/libstdc++.so.6.0.20 has the error "version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found "
1003[08:07:54] <guu> themill: how ?
1004[08:08:18] <guu> themill: i just run the apt-get dist-upgrade, then this happend, so you mean my apt-get is not from debian ?
1005[08:08:37] <themill> Debian doesn't include files in /usr/local. If you drop files in there that are incompatible and things break, then you know which files to remove
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1007[08:09:14] <guu> themill: I know it's weird, why by apt-get link the so in /usr/local/lib64 but not from /usr/lib/x86-xxxxx
1008[08:09:28] <allan_wind> Every few minutes remote end hangs for 20 sec to 1 min... any hints on how to troubleshoot this?
1009[08:09:36] <themill> guu: because /usr/local is to allow the admin to override things in /usr
1010[08:09:53] <guu> themill: I am confused... - -
1011[08:10:15] <themill> guu: why have you created /usr/local/lib64/libstdc++.so... ?
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1013[08:10:26] <guu> themill: I did not...
1014[08:10:32] <guu> that's confuse me
1015[08:10:39] <themill> It didn't come from a debian packaage
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1017[08:11:02] <guu> themill: ldd shows my apt-get linked this .so file from /usr/local/lib64/libstdc++.so.6.0.20
1018[08:11:13] <guu> I know debian package is right
1019[08:11:31] <themill> no, it shows that it is linked against libsdc++... and that the library can be found in /usr/local/lib64
1020[08:11:43] <themill> (debian doesn't even use lib64)
1021[08:11:48] <guu> I know
1022[08:12:25] <guu> er...
1023[08:12:29] <guu> let me try
1024[08:12:36] <themill> Sounds like something you've compiled from source or some crappy 3rd party package or perhaps an rpm from alien?
1025[08:12:44] <guu> no no no
1026[08:12:55] <cruncher> its the second one that has some libs in usr/local interfering with the system, and both claim they didnt install it
1027[08:12:56] <guu> I even dont know how to do that what you say
1028[08:13:04] <cruncher> (in 2 days)
1029[08:13:12] <guu> well
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1031[08:13:26] <themill> compiling libstdc++ is unlikely but something else may have brought its own naughty local copy
1032[08:13:28] <guu> now i go to delete all .so from /usr/local/lib64
1033[08:13:35] <guu> see what will happend
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1035[08:14:28] <guu> wow
1036[08:14:35] <guu> delete the so files works !
1037[08:14:36] <guu> haha
1038[08:14:42] <guu> thank you all guys
1039[08:14:48] <cruncher> guu,
1040[08:15:00] <themill> guu: might be worth finding out why you had that file to begin with
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1042[08:15:26] <cruncher> in the other case i was speaking, the guy reinstalled the libs from debian, and the usr/local files reappeared (in usr/local)
1043[08:15:41] <guu> er...
1044[08:15:49] <guu> I am not that good at ...
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1046[08:15:55] <cruncher> strange.. just saying, in case you get those files again
1047[08:16:10] <guu> ok ...I'll keep eyes on that
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1049[08:17:02] <cruncher> but like themill says, it would be interesting to know where it comes from
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1052[08:17:34] <guu> yeah ,I understand :)
1053[08:17:53] <guu> Although I use debian for many years, still a newbie ,haha
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1056[08:18:59] <allan_wind> Sorry to bug you guys again, but any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this intermittent network outage with a new install? dmesg has no errors
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1058[08:19:29] <somiaj> run something like iptraf or another network monintor to see if that gives you any clue.
1059[08:20:26] <cruncher> in worst case, if you cant install anything for any reason, a simple ping and observe network outage
1060[08:20:43] <cruncher> allan_wind, what is it? ssh?
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1063[08:21:59] <allan_wind> it seems to be all network services (ssh, ping)
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1065[08:22:26] <allan_wind> only this newly installed laptop has issues; show problem from multiple remote hosts
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1068[08:22:59] <allan_wind> troubled laptop is other idle and fine when using it's console
1069[08:23:04] <allan_wind> otherwise
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1073[08:24:49] <allan_wind> most annoying symptom is that my ssh shell will just hang for 20 to 60 seconds every few minutes
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1080[08:28:36] <drinks2go> wireless? ethernet? both?
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1082[08:28:59] <allan_wind> I have not configured wireless yet so ethernet
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1085[08:30:50] <drinks2go> well I am just a noob, but you are sure it's not issues at your ISP, all other devices are working fine?
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1089[08:32:23] <allan_wind> This laptop used to work just fine before I switched from ubuntu to debian (lots of differences obviously between distros). Not an isp issue, troubled laptop is connected to wifi/router/switch that my working laptop is also plugged into
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1092[08:33:09] <somiaj> allan_wind: at the network level it is mostly the kernel and non-free firmware.
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1094[08:33:28] <drinks2go> that was going to be my next suggestion
1095[08:33:33] <somiaj> which aren't that different between ubuntu and debian, ubuntu just provides the non-free firmware
1096[08:34:11] <allan_wind> somiaj: 4.9.0-3-amd64
1097[08:34:34] <drinks2go> i've never really had problems with onboard or even usb NIC from a fresh install :S
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1099[08:35:12] <somiaj> that is a fairly recent kernel, I would start looking at other issues
1100[08:35:25] <allan_wind> I had some weirdness with avahi at some point
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1107[08:40:58] <drinks2go> allan_wind cat /etc/resolv.conf on both machines, any diffs?
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1110[08:41:45] <allan_wind> One has a domain setting, both have the same search line. I push these out with dhcp
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1124[08:45:54] <drinks2go> hmm. allan_wind only other thing I can think of is pretty bone-headed, you've probably already tried... a different cable? Maybe switch out the one from the working machine quickly to eliminate that?
1125[08:46:00] <drinks2go> Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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1127[08:46:34] <allan_wind> swapped cable already
1128[08:46:42] <awoserra> hola, how can i disable ipv6 with ifconfig and for next boots?
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1130[08:47:05] <awoserra> bsd is just ifconfig em0 -inet6
1131[08:47:32] <awoserra> but that's not helping me in arm arch debian
1132[08:47:59] <allan_wind> awoserra: looked in /etc/network/interfaces?
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1135[08:48:31] <awoserra> i do not have that directory
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1137[08:49:02] <drinks2go> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
1138[08:49:13] <drinks2go> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
1139[08:49:16] <awoserra> nice
1140[08:49:17] <drinks2go> awoserra ^
1141[08:49:28] <awoserra> ty :)
1142[08:50:15] <awoserra> and neat
1143[08:50:16] <cruncher> (of course that alone wont survive a reboot)
1144[08:50:21] <awoserra> write switch....
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1146[08:50:55] <awoserra> is that switch not implied by default?
1147[08:51:20] <cruncher> allan_wind, well, did you check the logs to see if its something hardware related? if you dont know what else to do, you can still monitor traffic and see what happens on the machine
1148[08:51:31] <drinks2go> he said he checked dmesg cruncher
1149[08:51:48] <drinks2go> I had to go back and check myself :P
1150[08:52:02] <awoserra> i can just put that in sysctl.conf right?
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1152[08:52:37] <drinks2go> yes awoserra. but actually cruncher is right
1153[08:52:40] <allan_wind> awoserra: /etc/sysctl.d/something would be the prefered way
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1156[08:53:01] <awoserra> alright, ty cruncher
1157[08:53:22] <drinks2go> I think you need to make modification to grub maybe awoserra, to persist between reboots. Or something. Lots of conflicting information I guess.
1158[08:53:36] <allan_wind> well, I installed the wifi firmware and there are some firmware issues with that but that is new as of when I installed the wifi firmware
1159[08:54:03] <drinks2go> awoserra faliing sysctl can try grub, replaced-url
1160[08:54:16] <drinks2go> failing*
1161[08:54:31] <awoserra> yah... hmm, would be better if i could declare before network up, eh?
1162[08:55:04] <allan_wind> hmm... I noticed dhclient runs differently. On working host it's configured in /etc/network/interfaces and on the troubled machine it's being started by network manager
1163[08:55:27] <awoserra> dhclient would be the best place to put it methings.
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1165[08:55:30] <awoserra> methinks*
1166[08:55:46] <awoserra> i'm running headless....
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1168[08:55:52] <awoserra> no netman
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1170[08:56:13] <drinks2go> just concerned for security awoserra?
1171[08:56:31] <awoserra> my isp does not support ipv6.
1172[08:56:40] <awoserra> don't need the entire stack
1173[08:56:42] <drinks2go> >:0
1174[08:56:46] <awoserra> right?!
1175[08:56:48] <awoserra> heheheh
1176[08:57:34] <drinks2go> yeah maybe try the grub option if you're just trying to trim fat
1177[08:57:52] <awoserra> so yah, even from a security standpoint, it's attack surface for nothing.
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1184[09:00:07] <cruncher> awoserra, instead "trying", check out replaced-url
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1188[09:01:04] <awoserra> nice link cruncher, thanks again. I will add that host to my filter && open a browser for that :)
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1190[09:02:08] <awoserra> oh hmmm... should this be a new file?
1191[09:02:14] <awoserra> /etc/default/grub?
1192[09:02:26] <awoserra> this is arm arch running on pi2 b+
1193[09:02:34] <awoserra> i think boot is not grub.
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1196[09:03:59] <awoserra> i have a /boot/config.txt
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1200[09:06:35] <awoserra> i guess it's sysctl method, they say it's better anyway
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1202[09:07:02] <randy1985> why is the second method recommended over the first?
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1204[09:07:20] <drinks2go> i dont think that works in boot/config.txt i think you nee it in cmdline.txt no awoserra?
1205[09:07:44] <awoserra> newp
1206[09:07:46] <awoserra> checked both
1207[09:07:50] <awoserra> i made /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf :)
1208[09:08:03] <awoserra> all is well *whistles* ty both :)
1209[09:08:11] <drinks2go> have fun
1210[09:08:55] <drinks2go> you should check out armbian awoserra!
1211[09:09:21] <awoserra> i think raspian is what i'm actually running
1212[09:09:29] <awoserra> but it's all debian in the core isnt it?
1213[09:09:53] <drinks2go> sort of
1214[09:10:07] <somiaj> !raspbian
1215[09:10:08] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1216[09:10:22] <somiaj> awoserra: no, raspbian is not the same as the debian arm port. You should use raspbian support for that os.
1217[09:10:24] <awoserra> ah
1218[09:10:38] <awoserra> i see ^ ^
1219[09:11:26] <awoserra> !armbian
1220[09:11:26] <dpkg> hmm... armbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for several <ARM> processors. Armbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.
1221[09:11:52] <drinks2go> was just suggesting armbian forums because it might open your eyes to a few other SoCs.
1222[09:12:11] <awoserra> yah i'm not sure what the next one will be.
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1224[09:13:06] <Hoolootwo> I'm working on porting linux to a new arm platform, it's a nice architecture
1225[09:13:19] <Hoolootwo> unfortunately I don't think I can fit debian on this platform
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1234[09:15:14] <drinks2go> I have to say the time I spent playing with the PIXEL was pretty impressive, all things considered. Even VNC sessions from my phone were serviceable. I have alot of issues with the Raspi Foundation but. The hardware is pretty neat.
1235[09:15:37] <awoserra> the pi zero looks neat
1236[09:15:48] <awoserra> very slick.
1237[09:16:12] <Hoolootwo> eh, I have 32M of RAM to work with, not quite as slick as that :P
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1239[09:16:29] <drinks2go> IoT?
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1242[09:17:19] <awoserra> heh wow, is it cheaper than 5$ too?!
1243[09:17:34] <Hoolootwo> nah, this is a calculator
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1245[09:18:18] <awoserra> you know, coding assembly for specific tasks does have it's place too
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1247[09:18:26] <randy1985> do changes to the kernel parameters using sysctl not persist across reboots?
1248[09:18:48] <awoserra> man sysctl.conf
1249[09:18:52] <drinks2go> nobody really knows!
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1251[09:19:18] <randy1985> drinks2go: ha, dammit man!
1252[09:19:34] <awoserra> && man sysctl.d
1253[09:20:39] <awoserra> then read /etc/sysctl.d/README.sysctl
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1255[09:20:48] <awoserra> and you'll totally be set.
1256[09:21:11] <drinks2go> randy1985 hehe. There seems to be more than one way to skin that cat I guess. The debian wiki says both grub and sysctl are good, but sysctl is better.
1257[09:21:25] <randy1985> awoserra: nice, ty
1258[09:21:27] <Hoolootwo> I paid like $120 for it, which is by no means cheap, but it's also basically my favorite calc on the market
1259[09:21:31] <awoserra> :) yw!
1260[09:21:39] <Hoolootwo> saying something, since I have like a drawer full of them
1261[09:21:50] <randy1985> drinks2go: yeah, i saw that but I don't know enough to know why that is
1262[09:21:57] <cruncher> !ot
1263[09:21:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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1265[09:22:48] <awoserra> holy there is 1500 people in here too
1266[09:22:49] <awoserra> hehe
1267[09:22:54] <awoserra> thnks all, g'night!
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1316[10:03:07] <randy1985> is there any other DFSG-compliant package that outperforms cron for scheduling jobs?
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1319[10:03:30] <allan_wind> what do you mean with outperforms?
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1321[10:04:58] <randy1985> i guess that would be in the eye of the responder. im about to jump in with cron, but if there's something DFSG and better out there, id rather spend the time on that
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1323[10:05:54] <allan_wind> I have used bcron but more for claims of security
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1326[10:07:16] <randy1985> hmm...is it in any of their repos? i'm not seeing it yet
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1329[10:08:40] <allan_wind> I guess it was dropped in strech
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1331[10:08:43] <allan_wind> sorr
1332[10:08:44] <allan_wind> y
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1338[10:11:25] <randy1985> no worries
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1362[10:24:59] <allan_wind> ok, there seems to be a connection between NetworkManager logging NetworkManager[578]: <info> [1503735822.3260] device (wlp4s0): supplicant interfa
1363[10:25:00] <allan_wind> ce state: inactive -> scanning and my network outages
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1365[10:26:14] <allan_wind> it's not 100%, and I configured wifi after I started having these issues. also, it seems it's not all sessions to the troubled laptop freeze at the same time, and they roughly unfreeze at the same time
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1372[10:32:07] <cruncher> allan_wind, what do you mean by freeze? the network stops, or the whole machine? can you still move the mouse?
1373[10:32:31] <allan_wind> network stops responding for 20 to 60s (ping, ssh etc)
1374[10:32:40] <allan_wind> console is perfectly responsive
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1376[10:32:53] <allan_wind> troubled machine is idle
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1379[10:34:01] <cruncher> allan_wind, you said you have nm installed, but not using it. I would suggest you switch from etc/network/interfaces to networkmanager, and see if it still happens
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1381[10:34:29] <allan_wind> I am using it, afaik
1382[10:34:30] <cruncher> i think on a laptop nm is what you what anyway
1383[10:34:55] <cruncher> can you pastebin the interfaces file?
1384[10:35:32] <allan_wind> replaced-url
1385[10:35:46] <allan_wind> I added the enp stuff to align with working host
1386[10:35:51] <allan_wind> (that also has nm installed)
1387[10:36:00] <cruncher> you are using interfaces, not nm
1388[10:36:11] <cruncher> at least for this nic
1389[10:36:37] <cruncher> allan_wind, comment out line 9
1390[10:36:40] <allan_wind> well, I added those lines and did not see a difference in behavior
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1392[10:37:37] <cruncher> what did you mean earlier by some issues with the firmware?
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1398[10:39:57] <allan_wind> when I enabled iwlwifi I started kernel ops. I have since moved the firmware -22 ucode aside and -21 doesn't seem to crash
1399[10:40:14] <allan_wind> note, nm message is for wifi not wired
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1401[10:40:19] <cruncher> allan_wind, you can also rightclick on the nm applet, disable wifi, and see if the freezes still happens
1402[10:40:39] <cruncher> not sure i understand you correctly, you should not be renaming the firmware files, it will pick the right one
1403[10:41:21] <allan_wind> it was crashing on -22 and it is not crashing on -21
1404[10:41:42] <allan_wind> firmware loader cascades to older versions
1405[10:41:42] <cruncher> did you download the firmware from some place else rather than to use the debian package?
1406[10:41:43] <john_rambo> While watching videos sound suddenly stops but videos plays on ...When I do pulseaudio -k sound comes back ..How to fix this ?
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1412[10:42:24] <allan_wind> root@toofan:/usr/local/bin# nmcli
1413[10:42:25] <allan_wind> wlp4s0: disconnected
1414[10:42:35] <allan_wind> I use xmonad so not so much applet clicking
1415[10:43:08] <cruncher> allan_wind, it might be wifi related, so to know where the problem comes from, just disable wifi, or rmmod iwlwifi and kill all wpa_supplicant processes, then check for freezes
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1418[10:44:02] <teraflops> allan_wind: you can use a bar like xmobar or whatever …
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1420[10:45:08] <allan_wind> teraflops: yeah, I know, but I like to max content rather than decorations and detractions
1421[10:45:28] <teraflops> it's not a decoration nor a distraction :P
1422[10:45:38] <teraflops> anyway just saying
1423[10:46:04] <allan_wind> Yeah, can't spell at 4:45 am ;-)
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1426[10:46:09] <teraflops> heh np
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1428[10:46:34] <teraflops> allan_wind: I used xmonad for years, I still miss it a bit
1429[10:46:55] <cruncher> john_rambo, did you check /var/log/syslog?
1430[10:46:59] <allan_wind> teraflops: I crashed it a few times (uncrashable and all)
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1433[10:47:39] <teraflops> allan_wind: if you do not use ghc stuff from repos it may crash indeed
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1436[10:48:27] <teraflops> hmm
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1443[10:49:02] <john_rambo> cruncher, replaced-url
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1445[10:50:52] <cruncher> john_rambo, stop video, pulseaudio -k, then pulseaudio -v --log-target=stderr
1446[10:50:59] <cruncher> then play video
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1451[10:52:17] <allan_wind> Not getting the nm events but still getting hangs, not seeing anything matching in syslog
1452[10:52:33] <allan_wind> (or dmesg)
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1454[10:52:47] <cruncher> allan_wind, no wpa_supplicant processes?
1455[10:52:53] <allan_wind> no sir
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1460[10:53:18] <john_rambo> cruncher, Sound played but stopped again
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1462[10:53:27] <veg> hey there - what's the status of Debian kFreeBSD?
1463[10:53:33] <cruncher> john_rambo, yes, and whats the output?
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1465[10:53:50] <cruncher> allan_wind, did you try some network monitoring yet like i/we suggested?
1466[10:54:10] <cruncher> just to know...
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1471[10:55:00] <john_rambo> cruncher, replaced-url
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1476[10:56:16] <teraflops> allan_wind: journalctl -u NetworkManager says something interesting?
1477[10:56:33] <allan_wind> I am not familar with those tools. I looked at ss and netstat; seeing some retransmissions but not sure that is it... ping doesn't show packets dropped just freezing for a bit. This is on a lan
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1479[10:57:12] <allan_wind> teraflops: nothing matching the last freeze
1480[10:57:39] <allan_wind> (I forward all journals to syslog to have a single comprehensive source of info)
1481[10:58:55] <teraflops> allan_wind: what about dmesg?
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1483[10:59:08] <teraflops> do you see something suspicious?
1484[10:59:09] <allan_wind> nada
1485[10:59:33] <teraflops> nothing powersaving related?
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1487[10:59:51] <allan_wind> dmesg is blank for a while before the last freezes
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1489[11:01:03] <allan_wind> 08:54:33 freezing for 2 min. Last dmesg entry is at 8:43
1490[11:01:03] <teraflops> unless it's driver related I have no clue
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1493[11:01:49] <teraflops> allan_wind: do you run by any chance more than one network management tool at the same time?
1494[11:02:02] <allan_wind> what do you mean?
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1496[11:02:16] <teraflops> as in, NM plus wicd, or wpa_supplicant script
1497[11:02:24] <allan_wind> vanilla new install of 9.1 had this issue
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1499[11:03:19] <allan_wind> I do have nm and before wpa_supplicant running at the same time
1500[11:03:19] <teraflops> did you search the intertubes/bug tracker for similar issues with your hw or NM?
1501[11:03:42] <teraflops> allan_wind: NM takes care of running wpa_supplicant
1502[11:04:10] <teraflops> youre not meant to run wpa_supplicant if you are using NM
1503[11:04:11] <allan_wind> yeah, I figured, but you made it sound like it was problematic ;-)
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1505[11:04:31] <teraflops> yeah sorry my english sucks
1506[11:04:35] <allan_wind> 1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000
1507[11:04:50] <cruncher> allan_wind, since you got set/get the ip in the interfaces file, stop NetworkManager, and check for freezes
1508[11:04:55] <allan_wind> standard stuff, and this machine just fine with ubuntu
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1510[11:05:34] <allan_wind> (I don't want to run ubuntu, obviously, more as hardware is not suspect to me)
1511[11:05:45] <teraflops> allan_wind: at this point I think disabling NM and running wpa_supplicant by hand would help to troubleshoot if this is NM's fault
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1513[11:06:02] <allan_wind> waiting for prompt...
1514[11:06:13] <allan_wind> systemctl stop NetworkManager?
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1516[11:06:28] <teraflops> e.g (as root, not sudo) wpa_supplicant -B -i <interface> -D nl80211 -c <(wpa_passphrase <essid> <passphrase>)
1517[11:06:35] <teraflops> allan_wind: yep stop it
1518[11:06:42] <allan_wind> I am wired, so don't need wifi at this moment
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1520[11:06:45] <cruncher> no, dont run it, just disable nm, you dont need wpa_supplicant now
1521[11:06:53] <cruncher> no wifi
1522[11:07:21] <teraflops> allan_wind: if youre wired and doing wireless at the same time the issue youre describing can happen
1523[11:07:32] <teraflops> ^^
1524[11:07:36] <allan_wind> teraflops: wifi has been disable whole time
1525[11:07:50] <allan_wind> (and yes, I know)
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1527[11:08:08] <teraflops> heh, now I'm confused, your issue is wireless related, right?
1528[11:08:14] <allan_wind> wired
1529[11:08:18] <teraflops> :S
1530[11:08:19] <phix> .o/
1531[11:08:31] <phix> teraflops: yetaflops are better
1532[11:08:35] * teraflops needs more coffee
1533[11:08:37] <teraflops> :P
1534[11:08:41] <allan_wind> well, haven't tried wireless, probably will at some point to see
1535[11:08:41] <teraflops> phix: k
1536[11:08:45] <phix> :P
1537[11:08:48] <cruncher> allan_wind, yes, systemctl stop NetworkManager.service
1538[11:08:57] <allan_wind> already did that
1539[11:09:03] <cruncher> and then make sure no wpa_suplpicant is running
1540[11:09:13] <allan_wind> it's not
1541[11:09:24] <allan_wind> free
1542[11:09:25] <allan_wind> ze
1543[11:09:31] <teraflops> heck I read wpa_supplicant and since it's for wifi I assumed your issue was wireless related
1544[11:09:42] <cruncher> allan_wind, what?
1545[11:09:42] <allan_wind> teraflops: understandable
1546[11:09:50] <allan_wind> freezing without nm running
1547[11:10:01] <teraflops> cruncher: wpa_supplicant has _nothing_ to do with wired connections
1548[11:10:07] <cruncher> teraflops, exactly
1549[11:10:09] <allan_wind> yeah, we all do
1550[11:10:18] <teraflops> then why are you talking about it?
1551[11:10:22] <allan_wind> know that I think
1552[11:10:39] <cruncher> becasue he said he gets a "scanning" int he log at the same time
1553[11:10:41] <allan_wind> because some freezes occured around same time where nm would log a wifi sweep
1554[11:10:44] <cruncher> so just make sure its off
1555[11:10:45] <allan_wind> scanning
1556[11:11:08] <cruncher> so even without nm/wpa, it freezes...
1557[11:11:14] <teraflops> allan_wind: again, dont run wired and wireless to the same network at the same time unless you know what youre doing
1558[11:11:21] <allan_wind> I am not
1559[11:11:25] <teraflops> ok
1560[11:11:37] <allan_wind> I promise, pinky swear
1561[11:11:40] <teraflops> xD
1562[11:11:41] <allan_wind> :-)
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1566[11:12:44] <teraflops> allan_wind: and you dot have, lets say, a dhcpcd@whatever running by any chance?
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1568[11:13:45] <teraflops> if you stop NM do you still see something dhcp'ish running (at ps, pgrep)?
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1570[11:14:05] <allan_wind> negative on dhcpd
1571[11:14:17] <teraflops> k
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1574[11:14:45] <allan_wind> and yes, dhclient is still running, so getting DHCP client log events
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1578[11:15:19] <teraflops> allan_wind: dhclient is running, did you launch it explicitly?
1579[11:15:33] <allan_wind> no, nm did I think before I stopped it
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1582[11:15:53] <teraflops> hmm, I dnt think NM uses dhclient anymore
1583[11:16:02] <allan_wind> come to think of it, I was running debian on this machine on a diff disk
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1586[11:16:18] <allan_wind> new install on a diff ssd
1587[11:16:28] <teraflops> allan_wind: kill dhclient
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1589[11:16:33] <teraflops> pkill -14 it :S
1590[11:16:39] <teraflops> then start NM
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1594[11:18:02] <teraflops> when I asked about 2 network management tools running at the same time I was talking about this very situation, so is thet dhclient process is not from NM it can be the issue
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1596[11:18:20] <teraflops> s/is/if
1597[11:18:21] <cruncher> he had this setup in the beginning, no dhclient but nm running
1598[11:18:36] <allan_wind> ok... killed dhclient, didn't see it start when I started nm
1599[11:18:46] <allan_wind> waiting for freeze...
1600[11:18:56] <teraflops> good
1601[11:19:45] <teraflops> sudo journalctl -u NetworkManager.service -f wont hurt at another terminal
1602[11:20:17] <allan_wind> so far so good...
1603[11:20:52] <teraflops> you can also check which dhcp client is NM using btw
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1606[11:21:20] <allan_wind> On my working laptop I have both NetworkManager and dhclient running but dhclient runs with diff args between the two laptops
1607[11:21:23] <teraflops> it can be internal, dhcpcd or dhclient iirc, it's at NM config file
1608[11:21:34] <allan_wind> didn't modify either
1609[11:21:38] <allan_wind> (host)
1610[11:21:55] <teraflops> allan_wind: I'm saying it becasue I dont have a debian machine at hand
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1612[11:22:51] <allan_wind> I don't see anything in the nm config specifying dhclient
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1618[11:23:33] <azzamsa> anyone using mc, and how do you config it to move file to trash, rahter than delete it permanently ?
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1620[11:24:02] <allan_wind> freeze
1621[11:24:04] <allan_wind> ugh
1622[11:24:12] <azzamsa> libtrash removed from repo, because of reason. and I dont think cli-trash works with mc
1623[11:24:17] <teraflops> something at NM journal?
1624[11:24:22] <cruncher> allan_wind, yeah, it coudnt not freeze as this is your initial setup when you came here
1625[11:24:51] <cruncher> just as info to teraflops ;-)
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1627[11:25:09] <allan_wind> nothing in syslog/dmesg
1628[11:25:17] <allan_wind> (nothing interesting)
1629[11:25:40] <teraflops> allan_wind: if journal show nothing I'd check your nic at bug tracker or the intertubes for similar issue, and chek if you installed the fw (if recommended)
1630[11:25:53] <teraflops> check^
1631[11:26:02] <allan_wind> I think e1000 is std kernel stuff
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1635[11:26:18] <teraflops> maybe the kernel driver sucks
1636[11:26:36] <teraflops> which kernel btw? at this point youll have to dig around
1637[11:26:57] <allan_wind> 4.9.0-3-amd64
1638[11:27:22] <teraflops> stock from repos right?
1639[11:27:28] <allan_wind> yeah
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1641[11:27:51] <allan_wind> I will probably diff the two machines next, ensure I have the same packages installed, same /etc
1642[11:27:56] <teraflops> I run out of ideas apart fro what I pointed above
1643[11:28:05] <allan_wind> yeah, I have been at this for a long time, and I am stumped
1644[11:28:33] <teraflops> allan_wind: both machines have very same nic, kernel and debian release?
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1646[11:28:58] <allan_wind> this machine used to work earlier today before swapping out a ssd
1647[11:29:24] <allan_wind> same nic & driver
1648[11:29:46] <teraflops> allan_wind: you put an ssd on it with a debian installation on it from another machine?
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1656[11:31:38] <allan_wind> teraflops: it's a bit complicated... I was running debian with a large ssd in this machine, and the smaller ssd had ubuntu on it. both ssd were running in this machine without issue. problem started when i reinstalled debian on the smaller ssd
1657[11:32:17] <teraflops> so it's a clean install, right?
1658[11:32:32] <allan_wind> yes, clean 9.1 install on small ssd earlier today
1659[11:33:31] <teraflops> oh, Ok
1660[11:33:40] <teraflops> allan_wind: no idea tbh
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1663[11:34:08] <teraflops> did you install fw, I bet there's a debian entry on the wiki for your nic
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1666[11:34:39] <teraflops> allan_wind: which is the pci id?
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1668[11:34:56] <allan_wind> pci id of?
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1670[11:35:36] <allan_wind> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM (rev 31)
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1672[11:35:56] <allan_wind> (same on working machine)
1673[11:36:18] <teraflops> ,pciid 00:1f.6
1674[11:36:29] <teraflops> it's larger
1675[11:37:03] <teraflops> 0000:0000
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1677[11:37:06] <allan_wind> here is the working machine:
1678[11:37:07] <allan_wind> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (5) I219-LM (rev 31)
1679[11:37:21] <allan_wind> 2 vs 5, not sure what signifies
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1682[11:38:34] <cruncher> allan_wind, use lspci -nn
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1684[11:38:55] <allan_wind> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM [8086:15b7] (rev 31)
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1686[11:39:23] <cruncher> ,pciid 8086:15b7
1687[11:39:24] <judd> [8086:15b7] is 'Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'e1000e', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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1689[11:39:53] <teraflops> allan_wind: I'd read those links
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1696[11:43:50] <teraflops> lol that link
1697[11:43:55] <allan_wind> 2017-08-26T09:16:55.522+00:00 toofan NetworkManager[21917]: <info> [1503739015.4870] dhcp-init: Using DHCP client 'dhc
1698[11:43:55] <allan_wind> lient'
1699[11:43:56] <allan_wind> btw
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1704[11:44:50] <teraflops> maybe NM is using dhclient, as I already said I do not have a debian machine at hand
1705[11:45:17] <allan_wind> teraflops: yeah, I didn't know, it's not configured, and it apparently uses it by default. No biggie just saw it
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1707[11:46:09] <teraflops> allan_wind: at this point I run out of ideas sadly
1708[11:46:25] <allan_wind> thx for trying
1709[11:46:33] <teraflops> np
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1711[11:47:07] <allan_wind> smart comes up clean on the ssd
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1716[11:51:49] <cruncher> allan_wind, so with ping you can see the freezes too, right?
1717[11:52:00] <allan_wind> yes, ping just stops
1718[11:52:20] <cruncher> boot up the installer cd in rescue mode, execute shell on /, and use ping there
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1720[11:52:52] <cruncher> then we'll know if something on your system is causing it, or if its really some driver thing
1721[11:53:14] <cruncher> its a bit of a crude test, but it'll do for that
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1728[11:58:33] <allan_wind> roger... give me a few. I removed the firmware files I didn't have on my working system, rebooted
1729[12:00:50] <phix> nice work
1730[12:00:55] <phix> *slow clap*
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1747[12:08:01] <Vizva> is there no virtualbox in stretch?
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1750[12:09:07] <Vizva> i could read the wiki
1751[12:09:09] <Vizva> :P
1752[12:09:19] <cruncher> vivid, no, there istn
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1757[12:10:42] <teraflops> ,v virtualbox
1758[12:10:43] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2
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1761[12:11:20] <teraflops> Vizva: it's not a problem, it's an opportunity
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1771[12:17:14] <Vizva> why still the old things , i think its more dangerous then load directly from oracle
1772[12:17:18] <Vizva> i must go
1773[12:17:19] <Vizva> thx
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1775[12:18:12] <allan_wind> well, I think that was it
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1784[12:28:25] <gunix> ,v linux
1785[12:28:26] <judd> No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
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1796[12:41:42] <teraflops> judd: kernels
1797[12:41:43] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports:
1798[12:41:44] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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1813[12:51:40] <ghobadimhd> Hi df output shows that /run full after i clean it up ?
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1818[12:54:04] <ghobadimhd> du shows the correct size but is not ...
1819[12:54:22] <ghobadimhd> And i cannot start services
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1824[12:55:43] <petemc> ghobadimhd: can you pastebin your df and du commands and their output
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1831[12:59:48] <ghobadimhd> petemc: thanks for answer here is replaced-url
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1846[13:04:41] <petemc> ghobadimhd: what did you clean up? what happens when you try to start a service?
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1856[13:10:18] <wondiws> what kind of compression do the *.deb packages use?
1857[13:11:07] <nkuttler> wondiws: ar
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1860[13:11:30] <wondiws> nkuttler, that's not a compression algorithm, is it?
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1864[13:12:13] <nkuttler> wondiws: no, it's an archive, with the compressed things inside
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1866[13:12:40] <nkuttler> i think inside are tar.gz, but that might change over time
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1868[13:13:11] <wondiws> nkuttler, what's the algorithm? I made a package, it's about 60M, when I compress the one file of 50+MB with bzip2, I get a 20MB bz2. But the created *.deb package is 14M in size
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1870[13:14:25] <nkuttler> wondiws: unpack the deb and check yourself? i don't know about packaging
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1872[13:14:37] <wondiws> ar gives me rubbish
1873[13:14:45] <nkuttler> ?
1874[13:15:02] <wondiws> nkuttler, when I use "ar" to list the contents, I get )SDF(H$#RT)HFVS
1875[13:15:09] <nkuttler> wondiws: ar x foo.deb
1876[13:15:34] <wondiws> nkuttler, oh, I use "od", and see it has a xz header
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1879[13:17:25] <ioria> wondiws, starting with Debian 8, data.tar.gz inside .deb packages has been replaced with data.tar.xz, afaik
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1883[13:18:53] <ghobadimhd> petemc: there was 700MB file fot atop and i remove it . Service say that cannot write to /run because there is no space left...
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1885[13:20:02] <ghobadimhd> petemc: dovecot error : Fatal: write() failed in /var/run/dovecot/master.pid: No space left on device
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1888[13:21:02] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: maybe you should free up some space?
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1892[13:22:42] <ghobadimhd> petemc: But du show less space after i remove file but df does not change
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1895[13:24:00] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: which file did you remove?
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1897[13:25:02] <ghobadimhd> I dont remember exacly but i think it /run/atop/atop.accl
1898[13:25:19] <ghobadimhd> petemc: I dont remember exacly but i think it /run/atop/atop.accl
1899[13:25:38] <nkuttler> that sounds like a bad idea
1900[13:25:53] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: start with apt-get clean
1901[13:26:06] <ghobadimhd> petemc: sorry english is not my first
1902[13:26:35] <ghobadimhd> petemc: but apt data are in /var
1903[13:26:53] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: do you have different partitions?
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1905[13:27:21] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: please paste.debian.net the output of df -h
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1907[13:28:06] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: here is df and du output replaced-url
1908[13:28:34] <nkuttler> uh
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1913[13:29:30] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: sudo du -hs /run/*
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1917[13:30:20] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: i run it by root at first place
1918[13:30:21] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: how much ram do you have anyway?
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1920[13:30:58] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: 117M
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1922[13:31:21] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: 117M ram? in total?
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1924[13:31:34] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: or are you talking about free ram now?
1925[13:31:52] <nkuttler> anyway, you probably want to remount /run and increase its size
1926[13:32:13] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: sorry , yes i have 117M free
1927[13:32:52] <ghobadimhd> My question is why the du and df show different sizes ?
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1929[13:33:59] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: and why after i remove 700M from /run df output does not change ??
1930[13:34:16] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: probably because du measures file size, which might not be accurate until the disk is synced
1931[13:34:33] <nkuttler> and all processes close their references to it
1932[13:35:33] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: i try sync command nothing change
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1934[13:35:55] <nkuttler> ghobadimhd: some process is probably still accessing the file
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1949[13:41:24] <ghobadimhd> nkuttler: it solved by stopping jenkins
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1951[13:41:50] <ghobadimhd> Thank you all
1952[13:42:38] <Guifle> hello there! I had a fresh install and everyting was fine. then suddenly the wifi networks disappeared. no matter what I tried, I couldn't solve it
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1975[13:54:02] <edi> hi, i'm using vbox on debian , I have a vdi file that I want to make bootable on bare metal from usb
1976[13:54:20] <edi> so I was figuring to convert it in some way to an iso file
1977[13:54:52] <edi> but so far I spent hours wasted, tinkering with clonezilla
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1989[14:01:53] <teraflops> edi: you want a live iso or making that vm bootable inside a usb stick?
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1996[14:03:37] <teraflops> those are totally different approaches and I dont think there's anything that converts from vdi to live iso
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1999[14:05:17] <edi> terflops, i want a live iso
2000[14:05:25] <edi> teraflops, i mean
2001[14:05:58] <edi> that i can clone to disks
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2005[14:06:51] <teraflops> is not about cloning and magically converting stuff to live iso, if there is I'm not aware of it
2006[14:06:52] <edi> but i have to be honest :) de .vdi contains ntfs , windows os
2007[14:07:00] <teraflops> pff
2008[14:07:06] <edi> i knoow
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2010[14:07:16] <edi> :p
2011[14:07:18] <edi> no worries
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2013[14:07:36] <Guifle> hello there! I had a fresh install and everyting was fine. then suddenly the wifi networks disappeared. no matter what I tried, I couldn't solve it
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2025[14:15:06] <gpunk> Guifle: you must have done somthing !
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2034[14:17:44] <mezarro> i do so i am haha
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2037[14:20:17] <Guifle> gpunk, yes, I installed a new system, ran update-upgrade, installed my custom packages, moved personal folders, all was running including wifi. then this came.
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2039[14:21:14] <Guifle> my custom packages not meaning anything that I made. I mean I've installed the programs in repos that I regularly use.
2040[14:21:46] <gpunk> so you had a debian runing fine, you reinstaled, then the wifi wont work ?
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2051[14:29:17] <Guifle> gpunk, correct
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2055[14:29:59] <gpunk> the same distro version ?
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2058[14:31:08] <Guifle> gpunk, it was a new install, not a reinstall
2059[14:31:35] <Guifle> and it was a debian flavour, not debian itself
2060[14:31:57] <coruja> boooh
2061[14:32:19] <gpunk> a laptop ?
2062[14:32:21] <Guifle> yes
2063[14:32:54] <coruja> !based on debian
2064[14:32:54] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
2065[14:33:13] <gpunk> did the network configuration during the install, configure the wifi ?
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2067[14:34:12] <Posterdati> hi
2068[14:34:29] <Guifle> gpunk, I have not done anything with wifi during install. I remember not having been able to select a mirror, though.
2069[14:34:32] <Posterdati> please I need help installing debian stretch on intel nuc using an sdcard!
2070[14:35:00] <Guifle> I got no connection error, even though I had ethernet connection
2071[14:35:09] <Guifle> I mean no internet error
2072[14:35:13] <gpunk> do you have ethernet now on it ?
2073[14:35:59] <Guifle> gpunk, the system is not live at the moment. shall I start it?
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2075[14:36:16] <gpunk> yes, and update it upgrade it and reboot it
2076[14:36:26] <Posterdati> the graphical install ask me to mount the cdrom! But there's no cdrom...
2077[14:37:14] <gpunk> Posterdati: it is asking for the source media of during the install
2078[14:37:20] <coruja> though not supporting as it's not debian, i would ask for 'flavour', desktop and networking software (errors/logs) to get ahead
2079[14:37:21] <gpunk> could be your SDcard
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2082[14:39:28] <Guifle> gpunk, I already tried all of them, rebooted several times, I wrestled with an 'rfkill' error. I tried, among others, "unblock all" but got some error like "no such device"..I can tell you better when I start the system shortly
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2085[14:40:41] <gpunk> Guifle: the installation process went bad, your system doesnt support your wifi ...it is bad
2086[14:41:15] <gpunk> you may need to reinstall and be more carefull , but
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2088[14:41:26] <gpunk> what kind of debian-flavour is it ?
2089[14:41:40] <Guifle> gpunk, it is "Voyager Live"
2090[14:41:54] <Guifle> replaced-url
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2092[14:42:28] <dixie7z> after months of a bug in drivers of amd for hd6870 i upgraded to gtx 1060.... back to debian again weeeeeee
2093[14:43:32] <dixie7z> still black screen on hd6870
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2099[14:45:00] <gpunk> Guifle: what's the model of your laptop ?
2100[14:46:00] <Guifle> gpunk, the model is fine with debian. I never had problems.
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2103[14:47:04] <gpunk> did it finish booting?
2104[14:47:21] <Guifle> yes, it successfully boots and reboots
2105[14:47:25] <Guifle> and shuts down
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2110[14:48:11] <gpunk> Guifle: what's the model of your laptop ?
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2127[14:56:09] <Silvester> greetings #debian <3
2128[14:56:21] <Silvester> will stretch with MATE run fine on a single-core Celeron M550 2.0GHz w/ 2GB RAM?
2129[14:56:28] <Silvester> i have an old laptop I want to refurbish for my elderly mother
2130[14:57:13] <Silvester> forgive me if you get these kinds of questions often, I was looking to hear if someone tried it on a device with similar specs
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2132[14:58:36] <Silvester> or should I try a less intensive on resources DE like Xfce?
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2164[15:13:02] <Silvester> I'll be off now :) I guess I will just try to install 32-bit Debian with MATE and see how it goes, thanks guys!
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2171[15:14:58] <gics> hello, i have debian stable on a vps where apache2 suddenly stopped to serve me pages
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2173[15:15:19] <gics> looking in the logs i can find some scanning --> replaced-url
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2176[15:15:55] <gics> the strange thing now is i can't ping website name but only ip address, so something dns related
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2181[15:17:09] <gics> can please someone help me understand if i'm under attack or if they, worst, have already touched something in my vps?
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2187[15:18:13] <Posterdati> gpunk: the NUC booted from the sdcard
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2202[15:24:35] <kb3vgw> morning we are running debian on arm and keep getting /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc: Warning: /etc/resolv.conf is not a symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
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2207[15:26:31] <gpunk> Posterdati: the you need to update you /etc/apt/source.list
2208[15:26:37] <gpunk> your*
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2218[15:35:01] <Posterdati> gpunk: ?
2219[15:35:03] <Posterdati> gpunk: why?
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2221[15:35:41] <gpunk> Posterdati: you have there a line about "a usb/cdrom" disk contaning a repository
2222[15:35:52] <gpunk> remove it and add the standard ones
2223[15:36:01] <gpunk> if you have internet on your device
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2225[15:36:59] <gpunk> gics: one option is to install and run chkrootkit
2226[15:37:27] <gpunk> or rkhunter
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2228[15:38:16] <Posterdati> gpunk: no need, seems that the usb key is working fine
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2230[15:38:31] <gics> gpunk, thank you very much! i tought no one wanted to help a poor hobby-sysadmin :)
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2232[15:38:52] <gpunk> Posterdati: so you removed the cdrom line ?
2233[15:38:57] <gpunk> gics: :)
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2235[15:39:42] <Posterdati> gpunk: no copied the netinst on a usb stick and boot from it
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2237[15:40:03] <gpunk> ok, so solved it ?
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2239[15:40:36] <Posterdati> yes
2240[15:40:41] <Posterdati> thanks
2241[15:40:41] <gpunk> :)
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2243[15:40:42] <kb3vgw> all if you change the lines from ftp or what ever to httpredir.debian.org you will get a faster link because it will find the fastest mirror near you
2244[15:40:48] <Guest83080> !list
2245[15:40:48] <dpkg> guest83080: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
2246[15:40:55] <gics> gpunk, but considering i'm on a vps and i don't see reboots in the log, do you think rootkit are still possible?
2247[15:41:14] <gics> gpunk, btw, chkrootkit found nothing relevant
2248[15:41:18] <gpunk> yes ... it is a possibility only a possibility
2249[15:41:36] <gpunk> and rkhunter ?
2250[15:41:48] <gics> gpunk, going to install it too
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2253[15:42:48] <gics> gpunk, mmmm never used this tools what is a common list options for rkhunter?
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2259[15:44:27] <gpunk> gics: -c for checking
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2263[15:44:49] <gics> gpunk, ok so i guessed well :) now is scanning
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2278[15:50:14] <person_> how do I display a notification via terminal?
2279[15:50:31] <dexterk> xmessage
2280[15:50:33] <dexterk> lol
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2282[15:51:12] <person_> that's something, but I meant more like gnome notification
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2286[15:52:44] <person_> on ubuntu there is notify-send
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2288[15:52:56] <person_> but on debian?
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2292[15:54:38] <gpunk> try gxmessage or zenity
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2294[15:56:21] <gics> gpunk, thanks to your hint i found i have been holed
2295[15:56:27] <person_> zenity doesn't let me specify my message
2296[15:56:44] <gpunk> gics: aouch
2297[15:56:48] <person_> oh man
2298[15:56:49] <gics> someone changed passwd file and added a strange openvpn33 user at the end
2299[15:57:01] <gics> yes, first time to me
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2301[15:57:14] <gpunk> person_: gxmessage
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2303[15:58:35] <person_> gxmessage displays a window
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2305[15:58:43] <gics> now the question is: what can i do? how can i understand where they get through?
2306[15:59:03] <gpunk> disable the account 1st of all
2307[15:59:11] <gpunk> delete it ...
2308[15:59:17] <gics> already done
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2311[15:59:41] <gpunk> what did rkhunter find ?
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2313[15:59:57] <gics> some warnings, i paste it
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2325[16:03:38] <gics> here is rkhunter log --> replaced-url
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2327[16:03:46] <person_> is there any way to display gnome notifications in debian?
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2331[16:04:58] <person_> I had to install libnotify-bin and now I can do notify-send
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2340[16:10:54] <kb3vgw> why is it /etc/network/interfaces.d is such a pain to use
2341[16:11:08] <person_> it is?
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2343[16:11:51] <gics> i found this string " eval 'exec /usr/bin/perl -w -S $0 ${1+"$@"}' " at the beginning of /usr/bin/lwp-request. What does it mean?
2344[16:11:56] <kb3vgw> yes 1 you have to add the line sources /etc/network/interfaces.d to the interfaces file
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2346[16:12:24] <kb3vgw> you you also have to put auto etho and auto wlao in the the interfaces file
2347[16:12:44] <kb3vgw> else it wont bring the interfaces up automagicly
2348[16:12:54] <person_> that's true
2349[16:13:19] <kb3vgw> and if you trt yo bring up a wifi interface up with eth0 up you get not routing on the wifi
2350[16:13:38] <person_> lol
2351[16:13:40] <person_> that's weird
2352[16:13:46] <kb3vgw> so to bring up wifi you have to take down eth0
2353[16:14:05] <person_> but wait
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2355[16:14:23] <person_> I had the same problem
2356[16:14:33] <person_> I can't have both ethernet and wifi at the same time
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2358[16:14:59] <person_> I haven't found a solution though
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2360[16:15:27] <kb3vgw> this is the canumdrum
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2362[16:15:46] <kb3vgw> thats wrapped in a enigma
2363[16:15:56] <kb3vgw> wrapped in a puzzle
2364[16:16:14] <person_> :/
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2366[16:16:30] <kb3vgw> working on a wifi script
2367[16:16:39] <gunix> did anybody here try any games using nvidia quadro?
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2369[16:17:16] <kb3vgw> and I also found that with putting the wpa stuff in the interfaces file that ifup fails to bring wifi up with otu running dhclient wlan0
2370[16:18:01] <kb3vgw> ifup0 give a error about wpasupplicant not starting
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2373[16:18:23] <person_> :O
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2377[16:19:25] <gpunk> gics: If I were you , i'd reinstall the server .
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2382[16:20:58] <Arcanos> Hello folks.
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2388[16:23:23] <person_> I've noticed something weird with gimp: a lot of filters and tools don't work
2389[16:23:31] <person_> what could be the cause?
2390[16:24:11] <kb3vgw> person_ replaced-url
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2392[16:24:17] <kb3vgw> check this out
2393[16:24:24] <Arcanos> Dies anyone have extensive knowledge with xrandr
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2395[16:24:31] <person_> I have some
2396[16:24:38] <kb3vgw> I plan to commit it to debian when done
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2398[16:24:52] <kb3vgw> as a way to make doing wifi easier
2399[16:24:58] <Arcanos> I need to make my Xrandr settings permanent (including the changes made with a GUI tool)
2400[16:25:19] <person_> kb3vgw: nice this might be really useful!
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2403[16:25:41] <person_> Arcanos: you can paste those xrandr commands to your ~/.profile
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2405[16:26:10] <person_> then they will be applied each time on startup
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2407[16:26:44] <person_> but I don't think they will apply on your login screen, if you want that then try with xorg config
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2409[16:27:47] <person_> Arcanos: replaced-url
2410[16:28:10] <Arcanos> Thing is, I have no clue as to what commands that the GUI tool runs to get the second display lined up like it is
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2412[16:28:31] <person_> hmm
2413[16:28:50] <Arcanos> I know about adding the commands to the .profile
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2417[16:30:30] <Arcanos> replaced-url
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2420[16:30:40] <person_> Arcanos: read this maybe you will find it here replaced-url
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2424[16:31:13] <Arcanos> This is my Monitor Setup, Each Monitor uses it's own Video Card and each Monitor has a different resolution
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2428[16:31:45] <person_> type xrandr and it will show you a list of connected displays
2429[16:31:55] <Arcanos> person_, the link talks about gnome, I use KDE
2430[16:32:25] <person_> Arcanos: which one?
2431[16:32:37] <Arcanos> the ubuntu wiki
2432[16:32:49] <Arcanos> x/config/res
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2434[16:33:00] <Arcanos> replaced-url
2435[16:33:06] <Arcanos> My xrandr output
2436[16:33:25] <person_> ok but if you ignore the kde stuff it tells you how to use xrandr
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2438[16:35:03] <kb3vgw> ok I am working to add wep with static ip now
2439[16:35:40] <Arcanos> Looks like I have hours of work ahead of me just to get this to stick, Joy...
2440[16:35:42] <person_> Arcanos: do you want to align DVI-1-3 monitor only or both?
2441[16:35:53] <person_> it won't be hours
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2443[16:35:58] <kb3vgw> then in time I will write up the AP side of things
2444[16:35:59] <cruncher> wep?
2445[16:36:11] <cruncher> you dont want that
2446[16:36:20] <kb3vgw> ?
2447[16:36:32] <gics> gpunk, yes, re-installing at this point is not an option anymore. But i need to understand where they passed
2448[16:36:55] <kb3vgw> ok
2449[16:37:02] <Arcanos> DVI-1-3 is alligned to the upper right of DVI-I-1 in a specific location
2450[16:37:33] <kb3vgw> cruncher so why now wep security
2451[16:37:39] <kb3vgw> when routers have it
2452[16:37:44] <gpunk> sorry I cant help you with that , you'd need to read ALMOST all files in /var/log
2453[16:37:56] <gpunk> and yet, they might have erased their traces !
2454[16:38:05] <gpunk> they can comeback as they did
2455[16:38:16] <person_> Arcanos: you showed me what you want buy you need to tell me what is the default
2456[16:38:21] <cruncher> wep is "old", and unsafe
2457[16:38:24] <cruncher> you want wpa2
2458[16:38:31] <kb3vgw> we have that
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2461[16:39:24] <gics> gpunk, very reassuring your last sentence! :) i'm joking, is the only thing i can do now
2462[16:39:34] <gpunk> :)
2463[16:40:00] <kb3vgw> ok
2464[16:40:12] <gics> and to think i refer myself as a *paranoid* about security
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2467[16:40:34] <Arcanos> Default: I have to run xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0 followed by xrandr --auto which then overlaps the displays and I have to open the KDE Display tool to allign the displays
2468[16:40:46] <kb3vgw> cruncher replaced-url
2469[16:40:57] <kb3vgw> I took wep out
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2472[16:41:28] <cruncher> kb3vgw, i wont read all this script. I just wanted to tell you that wep should preferibly not be used
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2474[16:41:35] <cruncher> what you do with that info is your thing
2475[16:42:09] <cruncher> and i dont know what you were doing.. was just a friendly advice not to use wep (wherever possible)
2476[16:42:17] <kb3vgw> its justa wifi setup script
2477[16:42:18] <person_> Arcanos: if I understan correctly xrandr says that the position of your left display is 476mm x 268mm and the right 474mm x 297mmone
2478[16:42:19] <BluesKaj> wpa-psk for home users
2479[16:42:28] <kb3vgw> its there
2480[16:42:58] <person_> Arcanos: go back to the dafault positions and then play around with those commands to set the position you want
2481[16:43:01] <person_> Arcanos: replaced-url
2482[16:43:11] <kb3vgw> just something I was working on
2483[16:43:16] <person_> Arcanos: they you will know what commands to paste into your .profile
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2485[16:44:06] <Arcanos> This is going to be a nightmare, But I guess once I have it set, it will be perfect...
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2487[16:44:33] <Arcanos> thanks. I'll be back if I have any more issues
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2492[16:45:48] <cruncher> kb3vgw, and if you really want to use that script, you may leave wep as its a script to connect to networks. Maybe you are some day somewhere where you have to connect to an older one who has only wep
2493[16:46:15] <cruncher> i meant more dont implement wep on hostapd, some AP, etc
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2500[16:50:44] <kb3vgw> its just a basic tool to help people get going with wifi faster and easier
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2502[16:50:56] <kb3vgw> I can add it in
2503[16:51:17] <kb3vgw> but I am just revamping it today after 3 months of not working on it
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2506[16:52:33] <kb3vgw> ok this sucks ssh not workign on the eifi interface
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2513[16:54:58] <kb3vgw> so I am finding issues now with interfacse.d dir more and more
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2515[16:55:07] <kb3vgw> ssh is not workingon the wifi interface
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2517[16:55:34] <somiaj> not working how?
2518[16:55:39] <somiaj> do you have both intefaces up?
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2521[16:56:45] <kb3vgw> it seems with using the interfaces.d dir you cant
2522[16:56:55] <kb3vgw> you can have wifi or eth0
2523[16:57:01] <kb3vgw> but you can't have both
2524[16:57:14] <kb3vgw> you dont get routing on both interfaces
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2526[16:57:30] <kb3vgw> seems there is a issu
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2529[16:58:51] <somiaj> kb3vgw: I don't see why using the interfaces.d dir would be any different than using the interfaces file. If using the interfaces file does it work? Coudl it just be in the order things are being read from the dir?
2530[16:59:05] <kb3vgw> it seems to have issues
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2533[16:59:19] <kb3vgw> like one you have to do so much to make it work
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2535[16:59:26] <kb3vgw> it does not work by default
2536[16:59:56] <kb3vgw> you have to put source /etc/network/interfaces.d in the interfaces file
2537[17:00:35] <kb3vgw> you also have to put auto eth0 and auto wlan0 to make it load up the interfaces you put config files for in the interfaces,d dir
2538[17:01:03] <kb3vgw> and it seems that if they both come up eth0 routes fine but wlan0 does not route
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2540[17:01:10] <kb3vgw> you can not ping or anything
2541[17:01:13] <somiaj> I don't see what this has to do with the interfaces.d directory. You have to use auto eth0 and auto wlan0 in the interfaces file to bring them up at boot, that is how it works.
2542[17:01:50] <somiaj> if you have multiple intefraces with different ips, you also need to set up the routes correctly. This sounds more like just network configuration issues vs the interfaces.d dir, all that is, is one way to configure your interfaces.
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2545[17:02:12] <kb3vgw> why it should read that forn the eth0 file in /etc/network/interfaces.d once set in interfaces fille
2546[17:02:16] <kb3vgw> so thats a but
2547[17:02:20] <kb3vgw> buf
2548[17:02:22] <kb3vgw> bug
2549[17:02:38] <kb3vgw> it could read each config file and get the status
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2551[17:03:08] <kb3vgw> because you told it to read the config files in /etc/network/interfaces.d dir
2552[17:03:16] <kb3vgw> logic
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2555[17:03:49] <kb3vgw> so still as it stands I get the wifi up but ssh is not working
2556[17:03:57] <Arcanos> To the guys that helped me before, Thank you
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2558[17:04:04] <kb3vgw> but I bring eth0 up and ssh works fine
2559[17:04:19] <somiaj> why not provide actual copies of your interfaces file and all files in the interfaces.d directory. It seems to me to be more a configuration issue over something buggy with the interfaces.d directory.
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2561[17:04:35] <somiaj> you are also being kinda vague, you don't give details about how you 'bring stuff up' what your actual configs are and the likes
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2563[17:04:50] <kb3vgw> I put the wifi info in /etc/network/interfaces and bringup wlan0 and ssh works
2564[17:05:06] <kb3vgw> so this tells me there is a issue usung the interfaces.d dir now
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2566[17:05:17] <kb3vgw> that it does not properly config interfaces
2567[17:05:36] <Arcanos> kb3vgw, do run cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbnin.com 9999 and send us the link
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2569[17:06:47] <Arcanos> cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999
2570[17:06:56] <Arcanos> Sorry I had a typo
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2574[17:08:29] <somiaj> should also give the name of the files and the contents of eachf ile in /etc/network/interfaces.d, lets see the actual configs, maybe there is some slight error
2575[17:08:34] <paxcoder> Did anyone manage to compile Objective-C (2.0) code that uses blocks on Debian?
2576[17:08:35] <somiaj> the only thign I can think of is the order in which things are read.
2577[17:08:45] <paxcoder> dpkg: objective-c
2578[17:08:45] <dpkg> [objective-c] the langauge that tried and failed. Ada made a mockery of object-oriented C.. Used as a default language by Mac Os X
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2585[17:11:03] <kb3vgw> the arm unit crashed brb
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2587[17:11:26] <kb3vgw> it came back blank it could not ping out
2588[17:11:35] <kb3vgw> then it rebooted
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2609[17:22:52] <eugenmayer> after partitioning a box with a preseed file, everything works out, just one strange thing. replaced-url
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2612[17:23:46] <eugenmayer> that the LVM pv of each drive, be it sda or sdb, is mapped on sda2 (since boot is sda1) and sdb1 .. instead of at least sdb for the second drive
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2614[17:23:58] <eugenmayer> why is a partition create, instead using the drive?
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2621[17:26:01] <eugenmayer> seems like it is related to replaced-url
2622[17:26:11] <shtrb|unlucky> If my bios does not have AHCI support but correctly identify an SSD (size / name / connection type) should there be a software way to make my kernel identify the device ? I'm getting infamous "failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) ) "
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2624[17:26:32] <shtrb|unlucky> or it's purly hardware ?
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2629[17:28:32] <Posterdati> hi
2630[17:28:33] <spikeyball> hey
2631[17:28:43] <spikeyball> what's the log file that shows errors at boot?
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2633[17:28:50] <spikeyball> my dmesg is empty
2634[17:28:58] <shtrb|unlucky> syslog ?
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2639[17:29:18] <Posterdati> please I've got problem installing grub on the hd of an intel nuc using the installer
2640[17:29:39] <Posterdati> this nuc has got an UEFI bios
2641[17:29:43] <spikeyball> is it syslog?
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2643[17:30:02] <shtrb|unlucky> spikeyball , you should be able to access syslog or dmesg
2644[17:30:18] <shtrb|unlucky> Posterdati, what is the problem ?
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2647[17:30:56] <shtrb|unlucky> Posterdati , I doubt I could help but if you will give some information someone might actually help you
2648[17:31:18] <Posterdati> shtrb|unlucky: the installer failed to write grub on the MBR of the disk
2649[17:31:20] <spikeyball> the issue is with my mouse. if i login as root, the pointer doesn't work. if i login as a user it does
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2653[17:32:18] <Posterdati> shtrb|unlucky: actually no explanation from the installer
2654[17:32:38] <somiaj> Posterdati: what installer image are you using?
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2657[17:33:05] <shtrb|unlucky> Posterdati , try checking in other terminals (the error might be written there)
2658[17:33:09] <Posterdati> debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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2660[17:33:10] <shtrb|unlucky> s/might/should/g
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2662[17:34:22] <Posterdati> trying the curses installer now
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2668[17:36:28] <netzach> Hello
2669[17:36:31] <kb3vgw> ok back
2670[17:36:35] <kb3vgw> root@allstar1:~# cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbnin.com 9999 termbnin.com: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host
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2672[17:36:47] <netzach> I have installed ifplugd, but if I don't boot with the ethernet cable plugged in, if I plug it later it doesn't recongifugre
2673[17:36:50] <Posterdati> can't believe it I have to reinstall...
2674[17:36:57] <netzach> I still have to run the dhcp client command for it to work
2675[17:36:58] <netzach> help?
2676[17:37:39] <Posterdati> this uefi is a damnation
2677[17:37:53] <Posterdati> can't disable it :(
2678[17:38:06] <kb3vgw> replaced-url
2679[17:38:10] <kb3vgw> there is ip a
2680[17:38:24] <kb3vgw> you can see both wlan0 and eth0 are up
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2685[17:39:35] <kb3vgw> allow-hotplug eth0 in /etc/network/inetrfaces netzach
2686[17:39:58] <kb3vgw> and auto etho
2687[17:40:01] <kb3vgw> eth0
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2689[17:40:33] <netzach> I will try that kb3vgw , thank you
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2691[17:40:54] <somiaj> kb3vgw: don't hit enter so much, try to talk in full sentences, also you shoudl still provide us copies of you interfaces files.
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2693[17:41:39] <BluesKaj> Posterdati, you can use legacy mode with msdos partition table rather then gpt, but it's not advisable, even tho I use that setup opn my uefi laptop
2694[17:41:57] <BluesKaj> tthen=han
2695[17:42:03] <BluesKaj> than
2696[17:42:26] <somiaj> Posterdati: the mode the netinstaller uses depends on if you boot in uefi or legacy at the start. Though the netinstall (offical installer) usually dosen't have that grub problem.
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2701[17:44:02] <kb3vgw> ok so I have confirmed there is a issue
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2703[17:44:10] <kb3vgw> 'this really suks
2704[17:45:15] <ahmed751995> excuse me , iam using debian-kde when i connect my android phone i can read the contents on my phone but i can't copy and paste from my pc to the phone so what are packages do i need to do that ?
2705[17:45:35] <kb3vgw> so if I ifdown eth0 wlan0 stops responding
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2707[17:46:14] <kb3vgw> if eth0 is up I can ssh to wlan0 but the min I take eth0 dwon wlan0 does not get ssh
2708[17:46:20] <shtrb|unlucky> ahmed751995 , check in #kde
2709[17:46:31] <shtrb|unlucky> but you would need the kdeconnect packages
2710[17:46:32] <kb3vgw> and becomes a one way connection to the net
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2712[17:47:12] <ahmed751995> i connect using cable
2713[17:47:13] <shtrb|unlucky> ahmed751995 , how do you connect your phone to debian ? (kdeconnect , bluetooth etc)
2714[17:47:49] <shtrb|unlucky> copy/paste files or text ?
2715[17:47:56] <somiaj> kb3vgw: what version of debian are you running?
2716[17:48:09] <ahmed751995> file or song any thing
2717[17:48:14] <ahmed751995> iam using debian 9
2718[17:48:18] <ryan-c> replaced-url
2719[17:48:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2720[17:48:46] <netzach> anyone here by change has any experience with the hp array controller software?
2721[17:48:54] <shtrb|unlucky> ahmed751995 , have you asked at #kde ?
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2723[17:49:00] <kb3vgw> so this now breaks all the networking work we did
2724[17:49:05] <ahmed751995> i will
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2726[17:49:20] <shtrb|unlucky> and I think by default android over mtp is readonly
2727[17:49:33] <ryan-c> How long will it take for an updated package to be available?
2728[17:49:45] <kb3vgw> till they push it
2729[17:50:00] <kb3vgw> it could be a a day it cold be a week
2730[17:50:03] <kb3vgw> a month
2731[17:50:31] <shtrb|unlucky> rayn-c , you can try making that faster
2732[17:50:41] <kb3vgw> is anyone else using the interfaces.d setup
2733[17:50:49] <ryan-c> kb3vgw: i use it
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2736[17:51:21] <kb3vgw> have you had issues with multi interfaces not routing
2737[17:51:21] <shtrb|unlucky> rayn-c , contact the developers directly and suggest help sometimes it unblocks the situation (did help me in the past with a version )
2738[17:51:31] <kb3vgw> like wifi and eth0
2739[17:52:02] <ryan-c> kb3vgw: No. I'm doing all staticly configured interfaces with one route.
2740[17:52:49] <somiaj> ryan-c: the bug report sais it is being made ina few days. You just need to ensure you have stretch-proposed-updates in your sources.list to get it. It won't be offical put into stretch until it passes that stage in the next point release.
2741[17:53:48] <shtrb|unlucky> ahmed751995, also check your mount options (if it's in fstab you can just make sure there is a rw and not ro )
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2744[17:55:04] <ryan-c> somiaj: oh, i see it in proposed updates
2745[17:55:32] <ryan-c> there's some way to pull only specific things in from proposed-updates, right?
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2755[18:00:06] <ryan-c> would it be bad if i downloaded the .deb directly and installed it with `dpkg -i`?
2756[18:01:41] <somiaj> ryan-c: you wouldn't get the security checking of apt, and could have downloaded a corrupt file (due to someone spoofing the download)
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2758[18:02:03] <rudi_s> ~
2759[18:02:08] <shtrb|unlucky> rayn-c , if that an offical one (from debian for your dist) no harm done
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2762[18:02:33] <shtrb|unlucky> after you checked it's integrity is correct
2763[18:03:32] <ryan-c> I did check the integrity
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2813[18:26:55] <eugenmayer> is there a way, with parted and resizepart to no enter a number but tell it to use "max" ?
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2833[18:33:01] <netzach> Hello
2834[18:33:08] <netzach> anyone here familiar with hp array controller software please?
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2849[18:44:39] <SerajewelKS> i just put a new disk into my debian server and it refuses to boot now. it's attempting to boot from the same disk it did before (because grub attempts to boot) but grub drops me right into the grub shell without any error messages.
2850[18:45:06] <SerajewelKS> i've tried reinstalling grub from within the installer's rescue mode, but this has the same result: a grub shell
2851[18:45:08] <netzach> tell SerajewelKS about grub update
2852[18:45:12] <netzach> @tell SerajewelKS about grub update
2853[18:45:14] <netzach> !tell SerajewelKS about grub update
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2855[18:45:20] <netzach> IDK how the bot works
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2857[18:45:42] <SerajewelKS> netzach: the partition tables are GPT, grub-update should not be necessary here
2858[18:45:54] <SerajewelKS> the new disk has no volumes to boot from anyway :S
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2860[18:46:27] <SerajewelKS> at least i would hope grub is smart enough to find disks by GPT GUID
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2862[18:47:07] <BluesKaj> SerajewelKS, open your UEFI?BIOS and change the boot order so your new disk boots first, you may want to run sudo update-grub as well
2863[18:47:18] <SerajewelKS> BluesKaj: i do not WANT to boot from the new disk
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2865[18:47:52] <SerajewelKS> the new disk is just storage. i'm baffled why adding a drive will cause grub to flip out, given that it should not even care about the drive
2866[18:48:01] <BluesKaj> then switch to the other disk , it's probly second in the boot sequence
2867[18:48:11] <SerajewelKS> it's not. i already went down that road.
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2870[18:48:41] <BluesKaj> the updat-grub
2871[18:48:42] <SerajewelKS> the BIOS has no option to change the disk boot order because HP is shit; i had to make sure the boot disk was attached to SATA port 1
2872[18:49:00] <john_rambo> My PC is checking filesystem on every boot ...Which logs do I check after boot ?
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2874[18:49:34] <BluesKaj> SerajewelKS, my pc is a HP an the BIOS has a boot order option
2875[18:49:54] <SerajewelKS> BluesKaj: this is an HP server. the HP server BIOSes are crap.
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2878[18:50:20] <SerajewelKS> google is full of people with the same complaint
2879[18:50:27] <mitmf> i can install monaco font?
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2881[18:50:57] <SerajewelKS> you can tell it to prefer the CD-ROM or network over the SATA controller but you can't tell it which disk attached to the SATA controller to prefer. it will try to boot to the lowest attached SATA port number.
2882[18:51:18] <EmleyMoor> mitmf: I guess so, if you've got it in a suitable format and are not contravening a license by doing so....
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2885[18:52:17] <BluesKaj> SerajewelKS,, then swap sata connectors
2886[18:52:17] <mitmf> ok thanks EmleyMoor :)
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2891[18:53:10] <SerajewelKS> BluesKaj: i already said, i have verified that system drive is attached to port 1 -- otherwise i wouldn't even be getting to grub at all
2892[18:53:50] <SerajewelKS> i would expect either to boot the system, or for boot to fail and the BIOS to move on to the CD-ROM drive. instead, i get a grub shell -- which indicates that the correct drive is attached to port 1, but for some reason grub is angered by the presence of a second drive.
2893[18:54:04] <SerajewelKS> which would make sense for DOS partition tables, but not GPT
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2896[18:56:33] <SerajewelKS> it's most frustrating that grub drops to a shell without even giving any kind of error message
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2899[18:58:19] <SerajewelKS> ugh. i'm not sure what happened. i re-ran grub-install, which i literally just did twice before, and now it boots.
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2907[19:01:36] <SerajewelKS> i'm absolutely baffled but also happy that the system is booting again... i swear any time i reboot this server i run into a boot issue
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2912[19:06:14] <teraflops> SerajewelKS: I wonder if you use UUIDs in fstab
2913[19:06:41] <SerajewelKS> teraflops: LVM volume paths. PVs are in a RAID`.
2914[19:06:44] <SerajewelKS> RAID1
2915[19:06:50] <teraflops> k
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2917[19:07:01] <SerajewelKS> so, in theory, the whole system should be pretty resilient to disk changes... everything has a UUID
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2919[19:07:34] <SerajewelKS> (mdraid superblock has a UUID, yes?)
2920[19:07:47] <teraflops> just wondering I just joined to the party and I did not read the whole backlog
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2923[19:08:25] <SerajewelKS> tl;dr is: inserted empty disk into server, grub suddenly drops to shell instead of booting. boot disk did not change attachment.
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2925[19:09:21] <SerajewelKS> server BIOS has no option to choose which disk to boot from, it simply picks the lowest attached SATA port, because HP. so i know it was booting to the right disk or it would have proceeded to boot from CD instead of the disk because the new disk isn't bootable.
2926[19:09:42] <SerajewelKS> grub-install didn't solve the problem twice, but magically the third time it did. *shrug*
2927[19:09:53] <teraflops> is it BIOS + GPT of you meant UEFI firmware?
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2929[19:10:06] <teraflops> s/of/or
2930[19:10:12] <SerajewelKS> BIOS + GPT
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2933[19:11:00] <SerajewelKS> the only thing i can figure is that grub, even with GPT, is dependent on the attachment and somehow adding the new disk changed the boot disk's attachment number
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2936[19:11:19] <SerajewelKS> but i can't see how that could happen without the new disk becoming the boot disk itself, which would mean grub wouldn't even try to boot
2937[19:11:35] <SerajewelKS> that's why i'm baffled, i can't find a reasonable explanation for how the system got in the state it was in
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2940[19:12:39] <teraflops> SerajewelKS: BIOS+GPT requires a tiny boot partition on the disk
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2942[19:12:51] <SerajewelKS> teraflops: yup. have had that for years.
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2944[19:13:13] <teraflops> so odd thing is grub prompted
2945[19:13:21] <SerajewelKS> yes
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2947[19:13:31] <SerajewelKS> system won't boot at all, makes sense -- trying to boot from empty drive
2948[19:13:36] <teraflops> no idea what happened there :P
2949[19:13:38] <SerajewelKS> system boots, makes sense -- trying to boot from system disk
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2953[19:13:46] <SerajewelKS> add second disk, grub starts but drops to shell -- makes no sense
2954[19:14:04] <SerajewelKS> but this isn't the first time i've head really weird boot issues with this server. i blame the hardware. :P
2955[19:14:12] <teraflops> the disk was blank?
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2957[19:14:24] <SerajewelKS> completely. no partition table even.
2958[19:14:46] <teraflops> yeah glad it solved, no idea though
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2962[19:15:50] <SerajewelKS> this same server, about 50% of the time i reboot for a kernel update, grub craps out like this
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2964[19:16:01] <SerajewelKS> and i have to reinstall it from the installer rescue mode
2965[19:16:13] <teraflops> hmm
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2968[19:16:21] <SerajewelKS> so iono. only piece of hardware i've had behave like this.
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2973[19:17:43] <Somelauw> I accidentally upgraded to Buster, but want to use Stretch. Is it safe to downgrade from Buster to Stretch (Stretch wasn't released that long ago) or am I better off using Buster?
2974[19:17:56] <SerajewelKS> i still can't get over that the BIOS has no option to select which disk to boot from, and the SATA cables are just long enough to reach their intended bay
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2976[19:18:13] <SerajewelKS> so in order to boot from a different disk i literally have to open up the server and physically shuffle the disks around. it's really dumb.
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2978[19:18:25] <teraflops> :\
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2980[19:19:33] <SerajewelKS> Somelauw: the common wisdom is that downgrades are entirely unsupported. you can try it, but take a backup first.
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2982[19:19:47] <teraflops> Somelauw: there's no safe (as in 100%) way of downgrade debiam release
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2985[19:20:04] <teraflops> SerajewelKS: so you can try at your own risk
2986[19:20:24] <SerajewelKS> Somelauw: if reinstalling is just as easy as taking a whole system image, that would be the better route anyway
2987[19:20:41] <SerajewelKS> if "might work" and "will work" are just as easy, opt for the latter
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2989[19:22:33] <Trap-Chan> why would build-dep tell me that my sources.list doesn't have any uris?
2990[19:24:05] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: do you have deb-src entries there?
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2992[19:24:26] <Somelauw> SerajewelKS: well, reinstalling would be more time consuming (if downgrading succeeds)
2993[19:24:30] <Trap-Chan> not sure but i don't remember an src one.
2994[19:24:43] <Somelauw> and some config files that are harder to backup
2995[19:24:46] <teraflops> you can take a look there...
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2997[19:25:06] <Somelauw> like i'm not going to blindly copy over any edits in /etc files i may have done
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2999[19:25:24] <Trap-Chan> where was it again?
3000[19:25:27] <Vizva> a lot of things are buggy
3001[19:25:33] <Vizva> in Stretch
3002[19:25:47] <Vizva> i dod a fresh install after the upgrade doesnt work so good
3003[19:25:52] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: replaced-url
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3005[19:26:03] <Vizva> its not like beta
3006[19:26:06] <Vizva> its alpha
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3008[19:26:19] <teraflops> Vizva: something specific?
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3010[19:26:46] <Vizva> in kde for example it store the last session
3011[19:26:56] <Vizva> but all terminal come up you cannot write into
3012[19:27:09] <Vizva> same is with the fast search in the mnue
3013[19:27:13] <Vizva> menue
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3015[19:27:19] <teraflops> so plasma5 issues?
3016[19:27:21] <Vizva> there is no char coming into
3017[19:27:21] <Trap-Chan> hrm. putty won't let me open mousepad in sudo...
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3019[19:27:28] <teraflops> are they in the big tracker?
3020[19:27:30] <Vizva> in gnome i have issues too
3021[19:27:40] <teraflops> bug^
3022[19:28:53] <Vizva> in some pc it shoot down my system
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3024[19:28:55] <Vizva> then it ask for a resume
3025[19:29:13] <Vizva> therefore it takes a very long time if your using a encrypted root
3026[19:29:19] <Vizva> for booting up
3027[19:29:34] <Trap-Chan> is there a best place to put the new uri or is at the end fine?
3028[19:29:47] <Vizva> and this isnt the end
3029[19:29:53] <Vizva> a lot more
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3031[19:30:11] <Vizva> but i must find the way
3032[19:30:28] <Vizva> iam expirienced
3033[19:30:40] <Vizva> so you can wait for a lot in the future to ask
3034[19:30:59] <Vizva> jessie was good
3035[19:31:03] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: id doesnt matter
3036[19:31:06] <teraflops> it^
3037[19:31:12] <Trap-Chan> ok i added the deb-src and am still getting the same error.
3038[19:31:24] <Vizva> i think stretch come to early
3039[19:31:25] <Trap-Chan> i did an update
3040[19:31:30] <teraflops> you have to rung apt-get update
3041[19:31:35] <Vizva> i hope its not like the war of the main and the fork
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3043[19:31:55] <teraflops> holly cow my fingers are crazy today
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3045[19:31:59] <Trap-Chan> teraflops, like i said i did.
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3047[19:32:19] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: what are you trying to build?
3048[19:32:32] <Trap-Chan> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
3049[19:32:37] <Trap-Chan> i wonder if that's why.
3050[19:32:46] <teraflops> I guess so, pick a real mirror
3051[19:32:57] <Trap-Chan> i used the one from the link you gave.
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3053[19:33:10] <Trap-Chan> ohh i missed the r
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3055[19:33:15] <teraflops> sure it should work though, but imo is buggy as hell
3056[19:33:22] <teraflops> that too :P
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3058[19:34:17] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: which debian release are you using?
3059[19:34:20] <karelb> hello... I am debugging postinstall script that doesn't work and I don't understand it fully... what is `db_get` and how can I find what it should return? I am not very smart from google results
3060[19:34:38] <karelb> I am quite new to debian packages
3061[19:35:25] <karelb> from google, it seems like a query to some database... what is in the database? Can I query it outside of the postinstall script?
3062[19:35:26] <Trap-Chan> terraflops stretch
3063[19:35:31] <teraflops> karelb: you can also share the full error and the package/command that generated it
3064[19:36:17] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: then use stretch ones unless you know what youre doing
3065[19:36:22] <teraflops> replaced-url
3066[19:36:49] <Trap-Chan> in order to get support on retroarch i need to have a version that isn't 2 years old.
3067[19:37:10] <karelb> well it's complicated :D it's from oracle-jdk9 installer, and it is on line `db_get oracle-java9-installer/local` and next line is `if [ -d "$RET" -a -f "$RET"/$FILENAME ]; then ...`, and it should theoretically be true, but it is never true
3068[19:37:19] <karelb> in the docs, they say "if you're behind a firewall / router that blocks some of the redirects required to download the Oracle Java archive, you can download the JDK tar.gz archive manually and place it under /var/cache/oracle-jdk9-installer"
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3070[19:37:31] <karelb> I am doing that, but it never detects it
3071[19:37:43] <karelb> so I am looking why it never detects the file
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3075[19:38:46] <teraflops> karelb: mind sharing the link with the documentation?
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3077[19:39:00] <karelb> replaced-url
3078[19:39:17] <karelb> hm they say "ubuntu", maybe it is different in debian?
3079[19:39:26] <teraflops> i think so
3080[19:39:35] <teraflops> lets take a look at it
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3082[19:41:07] <teraflops> karelb: no idea about how sane is using a ppa repo
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3084[19:41:31] <teraflops> but the info is quite clear and also short
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3086[19:42:10] <teraflops> karelb: I wonder if you read replaced-url
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3089[19:42:37] <karelb> I need oracle java
3090[19:42:54] <teraflops> and I also wonder if you tried without putting the file in the cache since it looks like you already have a working proxy
3091[19:42:58] <karelb> oh they say it there
3092[19:43:02] <karelb> ok
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3095[19:43:11] <teraflops> karelb: did you read the link?
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3097[19:43:35] <karelb> sorry I just read the note and didn't notice the rest :D reading it now
3098[19:43:58] <teraflops> np
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3107[19:47:18] <eugenmayer> solved the "auto resize partition using parted" problem replaced-url
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3113[19:49:54] <iknow1> does core i3 7100 cpu work with stretch?
3114[19:50:11] <iknow1> any problem?
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3116[19:50:36] <Vizva> another question is ---> nvidia-detect
3117[19:50:54] <Vizva> i did have nvidia in jessie before
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3119[19:51:02] <Vizva> now its not in dmesg
3120[19:51:03] <karelb> teraflops: oh nevermind, it was another completely unrelated error in a different script. But, I now know what db_get and db_set does, I .... think
3121[19:51:24] <karelb> I am not sure why is it being done like that though
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3125[19:51:51] <john_rambo> I get disk checks one every boot....A progress bar goes from left to right and then it boots to GUI. Any suggestions ?
3126[19:51:52] <teraflops> oh, neither do I
3127[19:52:10] <Lvl4Sword> lsof -i gives me a lot of these:
3128[19:52:10] <Lvl4Sword> gvfsd-smb 1193 user 10u IPv4 22348 0t0 TCP 192.168.100.5:47570->e.crashlytics.com:netbios-ssn (ESTABLISHED)
3129[19:52:10] <Lvl4Sword> trying to understand why smb would be connecting to e.crashlytics.com.
3130[19:52:14] <teraflops> karelb: I normally start caring when something fails
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3132[19:52:32] <karelb> teraflops: yeah :D the debconf seems insanely complex though
3133[19:52:37] <teraflops> heh
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3135[19:53:30] <karelb> plus all the preinst/postinst stuff. well better than autotools I guess. :D
3136[19:55:31] <teraflops> Lvl4Sword: replaced-url
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3141[19:56:02] <Lvl4Sword> teraflops, I'm aware what crashlytics is, it's analytics.
3142[19:56:03] <iknow1> i am goin to buy uefi mobo. do i have to create uefi usb drive for debian. or i can just create live usb using dd
3143[19:56:29] <Lvl4Sword> teraflops, That doesn't answer as to why gvfsd-smb is connecting to crashlytics.
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3145[19:57:58] <teraflops> are you running avahi? nessus? megtasploit? unity?
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3147[19:58:04] <teraflops> meta^
3148[19:58:18] <Vizva> the password for debian live login is debian live , correct<?
3149[19:58:24] <Vizva> live
3150[19:58:48] <Vizva> it jump back to login
3151[19:59:00] <Vizva> but i did give the password correct
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3153[20:00:47] <teraflops> Lvl4Sword: or are _you_ running something that may end doing that? because the connection is _from_ your machine
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3160[20:02:00] <Lvl4Sword> teraflops, Happens on two separate machines, just by connecting to a Raspberry Pi with minidlna / samba installed.
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3162[20:02:47] <Lvl4Sword> Once connecting to a share, that connection shows up in lsof -i
3163[20:03:16] <teraflops> do you have avahi running?
3164[20:03:28] <Lvl4Sword> Let me double-check
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3167[20:03:59] <Lvl4Sword> teraflops, I do
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3169[20:04:26] <teraflops> well, try killing process one by one to see if the connection ends
3170[20:04:33] <teraflops> I's start with avahi
3171[20:05:01] <teraflops> I'd
3172[20:05:40] <teraflops> when I say process I mean avahi, minidlna etc
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3176[20:09:50] <Lvl4Sword> teraflops, That turns out to not be the issue at all. Reverse DNS isn't working, because lsof -n gives the proper information
3177[20:09:58] <Lvl4Sword> bug?
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3179[20:10:28] <teraflops> idk to be honest
3180[20:10:35] <Lvl4Sword> Weird that it thinks it's e.crashlytics.com :s
3181[20:10:44] <teraflops> indeed
3182[20:10:47] <Trap-Chan> is steam affected by the version freeze?
3183[20:11:05] <teraflops> the freeze ended time ago
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3185[20:12:01] <iknow1> if i create debian usb stick, can it boot on uefi mobo?
3186[20:12:01] <Trap-Chan> someone was telling me that the freeze was why retroarch was 2 years behind.
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3206[20:22:17] <iknow1> no one?
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3212[20:24:31] <teraflops> Trap-Chan: ah, no idea about the version, you can check it
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3236[20:35:11] <teraflops> iknow1: what do you mean by debian usb stick? dd'ing the iso to it in order to boot the installer?
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3238[20:35:34] <iknow1> teraflops: yes
3239[20:35:41] <teraflops> yes yo can
3240[20:35:47] <teraflops> you^
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3242[20:36:14] <iknow1> teraflops: can it boot on uefi mobo
3243[20:36:22] <teraflops> it's been working with UEFI/EFI for years
3244[20:36:57] <teraflops> iknow1: have you tried?
3245[20:37:18] <iknow1> teraflops: i mean do i need to create special crafted usb
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3248[20:37:41] <teraflops> nope ...
3249[20:38:01] <iknow1> wtf. i didn't wrote "have you tried?"
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3253[20:39:09] <iknow1> ah sorry
3254[20:39:33] <iknow1> teraflops: i am building new copmuter
3255[20:39:34] <teraflops> that's what hybrid stands for
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3257[20:40:17] <iknow1> teraflops: default netinstall work?
3258[20:40:51] <teraflops> ...
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3261[20:41:52] <iknow1> teraflops: i mean, is default netinstall hybrid?
3262[20:42:27] <teraflops> all of them are, go make one
3263[20:42:37] <iknow1> thanks
3264[20:42:39] <teraflops> np
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3270[20:47:53] <nickgaw> Hi, I am using stretch and when I do major tasks like compile software and major audio processes I get low level kernel messages printed to the console like core temperature above threshold that I wish to have completely stoped being printed to any consoles how do I do this as my fans are cleaned?
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3276[20:48:28] <nickgaw> and I have uncommented sysctl.conf about no low level kernel messages
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3279[20:50:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> nickgaw, see /etc/systemd/system.conf
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3284[20:52:49] <nickgaw> what setting do I look at?
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3288[20:53:09] <kb3vgw> ok this is a big issue
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3291[20:53:39] <kb3vgw> inteterfaces.d/wlano is not getting ssh
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3294[20:54:24] <kb3vgw> I can ping out
3295[20:54:31] <kb3vgw> i can ping the unit
3296[20:54:35] <kb3vgw> but no ssh
3297[20:54:49] <kb3vgw> and ssh is installed and works fine with eth0
3298[20:55:01] <kb3vgw> so why would it not work with wlan0
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3301[20:57:21] <drinks2go> there are a lot of reasons. fresh install kb3vgw
3302[20:57:22] <drinks2go> ?
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3304[20:57:43] <nickgaw> PIs it the showoption to stop all kernel messages going to the console?
3305[20:57:44] <kb3vgw> debian jessie on arm
3306[20:57:51] <kb3vgw> eth0 works fine
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3308[20:58:08] <kb3vgw> and its only a issue when usinf interfaces.d
3309[20:58:26] <kb3vgw> if I put it in /etc/network/interfaces wverything works fine
3310[20:58:48] <kb3vgw> so its a interfaces.d issue
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3313[20:59:31] <drinks2go> you have source-directory line in /etc/network/interfaces kb3vgw?
3314[20:59:48] <drinks2go> cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep source-directory
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3317[21:00:03] <drinks2go> or source sorry
3318[21:00:18] <kb3vgw> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
3319[21:00:32] <nickgaw> After changes are made to system.conf do I have to do anything?
3320[21:00:37] <libstdc> need libstdc++.so.6 >=5.2 under jessie 8.9 - how I can upgrade it without a complete dist-upgrade?
3321[21:00:42] <kb3vgw> sources-directory is depriciated
3322[21:00:49] <drinks2go> yep my bad
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3327[21:02:09] <zaturek> Hi everyone! Somebody knows why I can't find newer gcc than 4.6.3?
3328[21:02:19] <zaturek> I want to use 4.8<
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3330[21:02:25] <zaturek> any idea?
3331[21:02:51] <kb3vgw> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
3332[21:03:02] <kb3vgw> gcc version 4.9.2 (Debian 4.9.2-10)
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3334[21:03:13] <kb3vgw> I am on jessie and I have 4.9
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3340[21:04:11] <zaturek> kb3vgw, i'm on stretch and I have what i wrote above. Ohh, and what you wrote is already done. That is my problem... :/
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3342[21:05:01] <zaturek> gcc --version
3343[21:05:01] <zaturek> gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18) 6.3.0 20170516
3344[21:05:01] <zaturek> Copyright (C) 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
3345[21:05:01] <zaturek> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
3346[21:05:01] <zaturek> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
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3348[21:05:17] <kb3vgw> then you did not update correctly
3349[21:05:26] <kb3vgw> and thats your fault
3350[21:05:28] <drinks2go> he got kicked lol
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3352[21:05:34] <kb3vgw> you have to do a distupgrade
3353[21:05:41] <zaturek> sec
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3355[21:05:57] <nickgaw> I am trying to stop the messages core temperature above threshold and am not sure what option in system.conf to change to stop these messages and once the file is changed what do I do to bring that change into effect?
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3357[21:06:15] <de-facto> so i installed mate-desktop-environment, how can i use it now? i want to launch it from lightdm!
3358[21:06:22] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: have you verified that your system isn't actually overheating?
3359[21:06:32] <kb3vgw> zat go do a prpoper upgrade or do a os reinstall
3360[21:06:48] <nickgaw> yes as the fans are totally clean.
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3362[21:07:22] <nickgaw> I just want to stop the messages as they only come up when I am doing very entencive processes not all of the time.
3363[21:07:23] <kb3vgw> back to pounding on this interfaces.d issue
3364[21:07:28] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: what is the sensor reading the temperature at? clean fans does not prove the cooling system works efficiently.
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3366[21:07:46] <kb3vgw> are you overclocking
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3368[21:07:47] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: that sounds like a cooling issue to me. the system is not able to move heat away when the CPU is pegged.
3369[21:07:51] <Paul--> hello all
3370[21:07:59] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: do you drive your car with the check engine light on, too? ;)
3371[21:08:09] <kb3vgw> have you checked your thermal plating
3372[21:08:24] <kb3vgw> and made shure it has good contact
3373[21:08:29] <nickgaw> Is that that paste you put on the processor?
3374[21:08:56] <kb3vgw> the paste is the passte the plating it the metal on the heatsync and cpu
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3376[21:09:00] <Paul--> the command sensors give the cpu core temperature, and to know how much it is consuming ?
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3379[21:09:29] <libstdc> kb3vgw: gcc --version = 4.9.2
3380[21:10:30] <nickgaw> sensors command does not exist what package is that in?
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3383[21:12:41] <drinks2go> lm-sensors nickgaw ?
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3385[21:12:53] <Paul--> exist sensors
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3387[21:13:03] <nickgaw> but how can I stop those messages in the mean time as it does not come up unless I am doing major tasks?
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3389[21:13:34] <nickgaw> the sensors command is not found.
3390[21:14:13] <zaturek> kb3vgw, apt-get dist-upgrade didn't do anything...
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3392[21:16:23] <Paul--> lm-sensors.deb
3393[21:16:36] <nickgaw> I get what you are saying to fix the issue but I want to stop those messages on the console until I can check on the cooling issue.
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3395[21:17:08] <drinks2go> nickgaw you can configure syslog to discard messages :msg, contains, "foo bar" ~ replaced-url
3396[21:17:54] <nickgaw> but now how do I check on the sensros as sensors command is not found?
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3399[21:18:21] <drinks2go> apt install lm-sensors nickgaw
3400[21:18:24] <Paul--> apt-get install lm-sensors as root
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3404[21:19:24] <LtL> nickgaw: package lm-sensors, then run sensors-detect
3405[21:19:41] <LtL> nickgaw: then just sensors
3406[21:19:53] <drinks2go> (needs root)
3407[21:20:13] <LtL> Paul--: meh, didnt see you, i type too slow.
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3412[21:21:54] <Paul--> sensors give temperaure of cpu and video card
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3421[21:27:02] <kb3vgw> ok I have test on 5 boards and the same happens on all 5 borads
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3423[21:27:15] <tuxi> #kde-kstars
3424[21:27:17] <kb3vgw> the wifi comes up they get ip but I can't ssh to any of them
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3427[21:27:40] * tuxi hates typos
3428[21:27:41] <Paul--> install cpuid too
3429[21:27:51] <drinks2go> raspbian kb3vgw?
3430[21:27:57] <kb3vgw> I thing interfaces.d needs a major overhall
3431[21:28:02] <kb3vgw> no armbian
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3433[21:28:14] <drinks2go> you should join armbian channel instead
3434[21:28:21] <drinks2go> armbian =/= debian
3435[21:28:38] <drinks2go> you might have some more luck!
3436[21:28:44] <kb3vgw> they say its a debian networing issue
3437[21:28:50] <kb3vgw> I have
3438[21:28:55] <drinks2go> :S
3439[21:28:58] <kb3vgw> I know igore
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3441[21:29:15] <drinks2go> I post on another forum tkaiser posts at
3442[21:29:37] <kb3vgw> they say the issue is a debian networking issue not limited to arm
3443[21:29:55] <drinks2go> hmm...
3444[21:30:28] <drinks2go> well sorry I can't be more helpful my friend :(
3445[21:30:31] <kb3vgw> I also have straight debian on the plus2
3446[21:30:39] <drinks2go> same issue?
3447[21:30:45] <kb3vgw> and its doing the same thing
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3452[21:32:05] <kb3vgw> trying to deal here before going to the other debian irc
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3456[21:33:30] <drinks2go> i know source-directory is depricated but did you try it anyway?
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3458[21:34:37] <drinks2go> I have debian 8 and 9 box both with untouched /etc/network/interfaces and they both contain source-directory line in /etc/network/interfaces
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3462[21:35:29] <kb3vgw> odd because source-directory was changed to source
3463[21:35:33] <kb3vgw> but ok
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3465[21:35:55] <nickgaw> Hi, I found the information on sopping the rsyslog messages but I am not able to find information on what is sent to the console and what is logd to files how do I find this?
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3468[21:36:56] <drinks2go> odd indeed kb3vgw!
3469[21:37:33] <drinks2go> I doubt it'll work... :/
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3471[21:38:42] <drinks2go> nickgaw dmesg -D == dmesg --console-off
3472[21:38:49] <kb3vgw> nope I chaneg it and wifi stops coming up
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3477[21:39:07] <drinks2go> not sure how to persist, maybe the dreaded rc.local nickgaw
3478[21:39:51] <drinks2go> hmm sorry kb3vgw! unsure how to proceed. hope you have some luck
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3496[21:48:18] <Paul--> I'm looking for cpu consumption
3497[21:48:40] <kkkfkfkfkj> hi
3498[21:48:49] <Paul--> sensors give temperaure, cpiud specific cpu type
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3502[21:49:23] <kkkfkfkfkj> any one can learn me pentast for 1000$
3503[21:49:44] <LtL> Paul--: use 'top' or 'htop' in a terminal
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3505[21:49:55] <teo_> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop command not found on debian wheezy why ?
3506[21:50:22] <LtL> Paul--: in 'top' press '1' to see all threads/cores
3507[21:50:24] <zaturek> hello guys! I've found my liblto_plugin.so file, but gcc still can't find it
3508[21:50:25] <somiaj> teo_: do you ahve gdm installed? could the init script just be called gdm and not gdm3 in wheezy?
3509[21:50:31] <zaturek> what could be the problem?
3510[21:50:53] <Paul--> kkkfkfkfkj, sorry no hacking here
3511[21:51:06] <kkkfkfkfkj> wtf
3512[21:51:13] <somiaj> zaturek: gcc probably needs the headers to the libary as well to link against it.
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3514[21:51:27] <somiaj> and if you are running kali kkkfkfkfkj, this is not the channel to be asking in
3515[21:51:31] <teo_> how can i know for the name somiaj ?
3516[21:51:47] <n4dir> wondering how someone not able to find the according info via searchengine assumes he is up to the task of pentesting ...
3517[21:51:51] <BluesKaj> kkkfkfkfkj, you watch too much Mr Robot
3518[21:51:54] <somiaj> teo_: ls /etc/init.d will show you all the scripts in that directory.
3519[21:52:07] <kkkfkfkfkj> it my dream mean
3520[21:52:27] <teraflops> please dream elsewhere
3521[21:52:34] <numbdewd> If I have too little space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , but a load of free space in /home/myUser .. any way I could direct apt-get to download its temporary (&other..whatever?) stuff into /home/myUser/aptCache (or whatever sub-dir. there, like that) ?
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3523[21:52:40] <teo_> ok i see, which is the correct name to stop the service ?
3524[21:53:01] <teraflops> teo_: systemctl does bash_completion
3525[21:53:05] <zaturek> somiaj, and how can I get those headers?
3526[21:53:06] <teraflops> zsh too
3527[21:53:08] <somiaj> numbdewd: you could move everything out of /var/cache/apt/archives, then make a semilink to the place you do have space and put the files there.
3528[21:53:26] <somiaj> zaturek: if it is a debian libary, you need the -dev version of the libary.
3529[21:53:44] <zaturek> like gcc-deb?
3530[21:53:51] <zaturek> ccp-dev
3531[21:54:00] <numbdewd> somiaj: hm.. interesting.. thanks!
3532[21:54:00] <somiaj> no for the libary you need
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3538[21:55:18] <teo_> ok i see, which is the correct name to stop the service ?
3539[21:55:19] <teraflops> teo_: oh wheezy?
3540[21:55:27] <teo_> yes
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3542[21:55:45] <n4dir> - /etc/init.d/whatever_exists stop; sound good to me
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3544[21:56:05] <teraflops> teo_: it still has tab completion
3545[21:56:06] <zaturek> somiaj, i want to install softwares with autoconf, build-essential and such, but eery time I run ./configure I got the message that the compiler can't make exacutables and in the config.log I found this line i've mentioned above
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3548[21:56:29] <somiaj> zaturek: because you also need the developer package for any libaries the software needs to link against.
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3554[21:56:58] <teo_> what is mean this ?
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3556[21:57:46] <zaturek> somiaj, please don't kill me, I'm just a noob, a hobbyist, a child without knowledge... I'm beggin' you! Tell me which -dev package I need :D
3557[21:58:09] <somiaj> the one for the libary you need to link against. Which is what I keep saying.
3558[21:58:20] <somiaj> I don't know the name of every libary package and its -dev, use apt-cache search to search for it
3559[21:58:29] <zaturek> ok
3560[21:58:33] <zaturek> I'll try
3561[21:58:37] <zaturek> thanks!
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3572[22:03:48] <zaturek> somiaj, a (hopefully) last question: how can I find out what I exactly need ?
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3574[22:04:57] <teraflops> for every bit the ./configure is complaining do same research
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3576[22:05:29] <teraflops> or read the documentation is any, maybe they provide dep names
3577[22:05:33] <teraflops> if^
3578[22:05:40] <GriffusSilver2> Hello Everyone
3579[22:05:56] <zaturek> the gcc send me the message
3580[22:05:56] <GriffusSilver2> Nothing?
3581[22:05:59] <zaturek> Hi!
3582[22:06:05] <zaturek> GriffusSilver2, hi
3583[22:06:14] <GriffusSilver2> Hello ,zaturek
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3585[22:06:51] <teo_> how i know if i i have real time kernel ?
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3589[22:07:59] <teraflops> teo_: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep RTC
3590[22:08:31] <teraflops> teo_: search engines exist btw
3591[22:09:00] <n4dir> isn't there a command like zgrep ?
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3595[22:09:23] <teraflops> indeed
3596[22:10:11] <n4dir> even the blind chicken sometimes finds a grain (german proverb ...) :-)
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3598[22:11:13] <teraflops> n4dir: sure and you can use it instead my useless use of grep
3599[22:12:16] <kb3vgw> the bug goes deeper then I thought
3600[22:12:19] <kb3vgw> bbl
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3602[22:12:31] <zaturek> why I got this? checking whether the C compiler works... no
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3609[22:17:18] <teo_> how can i stop the xserver on root terminal on wheezy ?
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3611[22:19:26] <n4dir> teo_: if you use a display manager like gdm, kdm, ligthdm, etc stop it. if you don't use one, just exit whatever window manager or desktop environment you run.
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3613[22:19:44] <n4dir> i missed what i wanted to say: guessing.
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3616[22:20:33] <teo_> how can i stop the display manager ? on wheezy ?
3617[22:21:03] <n4dir> wasn't that answered above already? /etc/init.d/whatever stop
3618[22:21:28] <n4dir> you could also run other init systems on wheezy, but iirc sysv was still default.
3619[22:21:28] <teo_> i think i have ligthdm
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3623[22:22:18] <n4dir> you can also install and run "sysv-rc-conf". it will show you which display manager it starts. disable it, reboot, ta-da.
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3626[22:23:38] <n4dir> or, what was mentioned above: "ls /etc/init.d" and glance over it (or do | grep dm ).
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3654[22:37:25] <netzach> hello
3655[22:37:31] <netzach> any hp server user here?
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3661[22:40:57] <rotanid> do others also experience problems with bugs.debian.org? sent a comment to a bug and wanted to subscribe, my mailserver delivered the mail successfully -- but no sign of it for hours
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3677[22:48:30] <teo_> i run sudo nvidia-xconfig and my system not boot on graphics how can i fix this ?
3678[22:48:32] <Al3xG0> iconv -t UTF-8 input.txt > output.txt
3679[22:48:32] <Al3xG0> iconv: illegal input sequence at position 1171188649
3680[22:48:32] <Al3xG0> how to solve?
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3685[22:49:53] <teo_> I only have access to the command line
3686[22:49:56] <BenNZ> teo_: press ctrl alt f1 , login , run lsmod see if nouveau is listed , if it is echo 'blacklist nouveau' | sudo tee --append /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf && sudo update-initramfs -u , then reboot
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3694[22:52:38] <teo_> how can i see on pages the lsmod ? or how can i change resolution on root terminal ?
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3699[22:54:05] <BenNZ> teo_: use lsmod | less , then up/down keys
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3702[22:54:23] <BenNZ> teo_: q to exit
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3704[22:54:32] <n4dir> lsmod | grep novea; might be the more easy way
3705[22:54:41] <BenNZ> or that
3706[22:54:45] <n4dir> s/novea/noveau urgh
3707[22:54:53] <BenNZ> nouveau
3708[22:55:04] <n4dir> jesus. sorry for the mess
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3715[22:58:14] <teo_> the nouveau is not on list BenNZ ...
3716[22:58:38] <BenNZ> teo_: did you install the correct driver for your device ?
3717[22:58:44] <teo_> i working with my video card on past
3718[22:58:50] <teo_> yes
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3720[22:59:49] <teo_> i run sudo nvidia-xconfig and the is this....
3721[22:59:56] <BenNZ> teo_: ok just to make sure the kernel headers are installed ?
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3723[23:00:24] <BenNZ> teo_: also that when installing the nvidia driver dkms did build the nvidia module ?
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3726[23:01:37] <teo_> yes all build ok
3727[23:01:48] <netzach> hello
3728[23:01:52] <netzach> any hp array stoage users here
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3730[23:02:48] <teo_> when i run sudo nvidia-xconfig then this happen .....
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3732[23:02:52] <teraflops> netzach: do you have a question or is this a poll?
3733[23:02:57] <paqcito> Hi. Is there someone who can tell if a ssh tunneling (web browsing) can be seen as a proxy? I mean, is it the same as a proxy?
3734[23:03:18] <BenNZ> teo_: you dont need to use /etc/X11/xorg.conf , so you can remove it
3735[23:04:22] <teo_> xserver inside the lightdm its telling to sun nvidia-xconfig on a root directory
3736[23:04:34] <teo_> xserver inside the lightdm its telling to sudo nvidia-xconfig on a root directory
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3738[23:05:05] <teo_> how can i remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf now ?
3739[23:05:06] <BenNZ> teo_: before installing the nvidia driver , you coiuld boot into X
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3741[23:05:18] <BenNZ> teo_: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
3742[23:05:46] <teo_> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and the sudo reboot ?
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3750[23:07:05] <netzach> teraflops: I have a question
3751[23:07:05] <aguitel> i am running stretch , what to install firefox 55 and add this line deb replaced-url
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3757[23:07:57] <BenNZ> aguitel: if you want or you could pin firefox to come from unstable
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3761[23:08:37] <aguitel> BenNZ, how do that ?
3762[23:08:55] <teo_> its work BenNZ
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3765[23:09:18] <BenNZ> aguitel: replaced-url
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3767[23:09:31] <BenNZ> teo_: you can get into X now ?
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3769[23:09:36] <n4dir> aguitel: the version of firefox in stable backports isn't new enough?
3770[23:09:37] <teo_> YES
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3772[23:10:01] <n4dir> you really don't mix stable with testing or unstable. never.
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3774[23:10:14] <aguitel> n4dir, i didnt see any firefox in stretch backports
3775[23:10:14] <BenNZ> teo_: good to hear
3776[23:10:17] <teo_> but i can't get in nvidia x server settings
3777[23:10:41] <BenNZ> teo_: gksudo nvidia-settings ?
3778[23:10:53] <teraflops> you can do pining but then you have to be aware of what that means
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3783[23:11:27] <n4dir> aguitel: indeed. weird.
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3785[23:11:51] <teraflops> well you can also jump from a bridge or smoke cigarettes, if you know the consequences and youre fine with it
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3787[23:12:00] <tokayo> hi
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3789[23:12:03] <teo_> the nvidia x server settings it tell on the root sudo nvidia-xconfig to enable this . . .. if on root rrun sudo nvidia-xconfig the system is not start no lightdm how can i fix this ?
3790[23:12:08] <n4dir> teraflops: lol. :-)
3791[23:12:31] <tokayo> why on lock screen no user name displayed?
3792[23:12:38] <tokayo> AND how to make it display?
3793[23:12:53] <teraflops> tokayo: lock screen is meaningful
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3795[23:13:00] <coruja> aguitel, iirc backports are built from testing source, and firefox is not in testing (but unstable)
3796[23:13:17] <tokayo> teraflops: TROLL
3797[23:13:17] <teraflops> you can lock screen with a lot of different things
3798[23:13:24] <BenNZ> teo_: just make sure that youre using the nvidia driver
3799[23:13:28] <teraflops> tokayo: really?
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3801[23:13:32] <teraflops> pffff
3802[23:13:50] <tokayo> you troll
3803[23:14:08] <aguitel> coruja, what backport url are you talking about ?
3804[23:14:08] <teraflops> tokayo: I feel really sorry about you being an ignorant
3805[23:14:22] <tokayo> So you are very smart?
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3808[23:14:41] <coruja> aguitel, i talk about backports generally
3809[23:14:50] <tokayo> It's not related to what I said..
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3811[23:14:53] <teraflops> on this topic yes I'am as we all can infer from your question
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3813[23:15:07] <n4dir> aguitel: if i recall correct you can simply download a binary version of firefox. Put it in your home directory and run it from there.
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3815[23:15:29] <aguitel> n4dir, correct i know
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3817[23:15:34] <n4dir> ah, ok.
3818[23:16:01] <n4dir> I for one would rather run debian unstable instead of mixing stable with anything but backports.
3819[23:16:02] <tokayo> anyone help plz
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3822[23:16:27] <fjieosjoisj> Hi
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3824[23:17:01] <tokayo> Hi
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3827[23:17:26] <fjieosjoisj> Can someone help me just about themes ?
3828[23:18:02] <coruja> aguitel, do you miss something special in firefox-esr (delivered by stable)?
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3832[23:18:56] <aguitel> coruja, all people say firefox-esr start slowly than 55
3833[23:19:04] <tokayo> fjieosjoisj: what themes?
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3836[23:19:33] <fjieosjoisj> tokayo: i have copied themes on my usb drive but he say that my filesystem doesn't support links
3837[23:19:47] <n4dir> aguitel: perhaps stop talking to "all people" ...
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3839[23:19:55] <fjieosjoisj> i don't know how to verify if i have lost my themes or not
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3841[23:20:18] <aguitel> n4dir, many?
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3843[23:20:35] <n4dir> people say a lot. that's my point.
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3845[23:20:51] <aguitel> n4dir, ok
3846[23:20:52] <tokayo> fjieosjoisj: sothe problem is not themes is your probably usb drive. Do you have any information about it? Where does the usb drive works?
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3848[23:21:09] <n4dir> aguitel: as long you yourself have no problems. All seems fine to me
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3851[23:21:44] <fjieosjoisj> tokayo: i think it's because the filesystem is fat32 no ?
3852[23:21:47] <aguitel> n4dir, ok
3853[23:21:51] <n4dir> as far i remember i always had a decent version of firefox (iceweasel) via backports. I got no idea why there is none in backports right now.
3854[23:21:59] <n4dir> recent, not decent.
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3856[23:22:16] <aguitel> n4dir, me too
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3859[23:22:39] <n4dir> perhaps it will come in the future?
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3861[23:22:41] <teo_> my resolution is 1024 X 768 how can i change resolution on 1280 x 1024 on my monitor,, the display it dident have this ...
3862[23:22:42] <tokayo> fjieosjoisj: lsblk and put it in some pastebin like and paste here
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3864[23:23:02] <aguitel> n4dir, maybe
3865[23:23:38] <teo_> selection
3866[23:23:51] <aguitel> people like me surfing all the time , firefox is important
3867[23:24:31] <coruja> n4dir, Backports are packages taken from the next Debian release (called "testing"), adjusted and recompiled for usage on Debian stable.
3868[23:24:45] <coruja> no testing, no backport
3869[23:25:03] <coruja> ,v firefox
3870[23:25:04] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0.2-1
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3872[23:25:14] <n4dir> coruja: i got that. my question is why right now there is no new version in backports (or in testing). I recall i never had much problems
3873[23:25:43] <coruja> maybe because of the alsa/pulseaudio issue
3874[23:26:18] <aguitel> now are open 16 tabs with firefox 55 , imposible to do that with firefox-esr in this slow pc
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3877[23:26:22] <n4dir> but coruja: assuming sooner or later there sure will be a newer version of firefox in backports sounds reasonable?
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3879[23:26:36] <teo_> my resolution is 1024 X 768 how can i change resolution on 1280 x 1024 on my monitor,, the display it dident have this selection, how can i fix this ? ...
3880[23:26:53] <n4dir> so for now aguitel can use the binary version, wait a bit, then get a newer version from backports ?
3881[23:27:06] <aguitel> n4dir, thats ok
3882[23:27:15] <coruja> n4dir, i guess it has to enter testing first (or needs some rule override)
3883[23:27:18] <teo_> my display it find as defult
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3885[23:27:39] <n4dir> coruja: yeah, i for one am faithful, but i don't always get all news whats going on in debian.
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3895[23:31:55] <vktec> Debian appears to have disabled support for TLSv1 in OpenSSL. Is there a way to re-enable it? My mailserver doesn't support anything else
3896[23:32:31] <teraflops> :S
3897[23:32:41] <tokayo> help with login screen I can't see the user name?
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3903[23:34:10] <teraflops> tokayo: what I meant before you start calling me a troll, is that there are many things for locking the screen, so at this point you have to provide more info about what program are you using for locking the screen
3904[23:34:58] <teraflops> it can be the DM, it can be slock, it can be xscreensaver...
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3907[23:35:28] <tokayo> teraflops: I don't know much.. how do I check?
3908[23:35:59] <teraflops> are you using gnome? or any other DE?
3909[23:36:12] <tokayo> xfce
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3913[23:36:48] <tokayo> just it
3914[23:37:10] <teraflops> maybe is xflock4
3915[23:37:17] <LtL> vktec: replaced-url
3916[23:37:31] <tokayo> how do I check??
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3918[23:38:03] <teraflops> check if it's installed or you just can run it from terminal
3919[23:38:16] <tokayo> yes
3920[23:38:19] <tokayo> i remember it is
3921[23:38:22] <teraflops> but my xfce knowledge is very weak to be honest
3922[23:38:45] <teraflops> tokayo: well then we already know is xflock4 related
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3924[23:38:50] <tokayo> xflock4 is related to xfce?
3925[23:38:55] <teraflops> yep
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3928[23:39:00] <tokayo> ok
3929[23:39:11] <teraflops> maybe there is a way of customizing it
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3932[23:39:26] <tokayo> and lightdm is related?
3933[23:39:27] <vktec> LtL: So does that mean there's no way of re-enabling it?
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3935[23:39:38] <teraflops> tokayo: not that I'm aware of
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3937[23:39:49] <tokayo> ,lightdm
3938[23:39:50] <tokayo> !lightdm
3939[23:39:51] <dpkg> LightDM is a cross-desktop X display manager, packaged since Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". replaced-url
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3941[23:40:06] <LtL> vktec: i don't run a mailserver, but googling shows way around it
3942[23:40:12] <tokayo> it's display manager
3943[23:40:20] <teraflops> tokayo: lightdm is the login manager where you put username and passwd and login to your DE
3944[23:40:27] <teraflops> yep that
3945[23:40:31] <vktec> LtL: Neither do I, I'm just connecting to one
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3947[23:40:36] <dsuch> Hello, I asked it in #Ubuntu but it's likely more of a Debian question really. I have a DEB repository of my own with a package in version 1.0. I also added v1.1 for a moment and installed it locally through apt-get update/install. Then I reverted it in the repo to 1.0, followed by a local apt-get update/purge and apt-cache clean. Yet apt-cache policy will still show both 1.0 and 1.1 so when I now attempt to apt-get install package, it tries to get 1.1 whi
3948[23:40:43] <dsuch> I wonder where apt-cache stores its database on disk - there is nothing really standing out in /var/cache? Thanks.
3949[23:40:43] <tokayo> hmm so smh
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3951[23:40:59] <tokayo> lightmd is only on boot?
3952[23:41:14] <tokayo> lightdm*. And xflock4 is only on lock screen?
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3955[23:41:33] <teraflops> I think so
3956[23:41:41] <tokayo> hmm
3957[23:41:48] <tokayo> What you have doubt?
3958[23:41:50] <tokayo> Why*
3959[23:41:54] <teraflops> I never used it
3960[23:42:04] <tokayo> what do you use?
3961[23:42:08] <teraflops> slock
3962[23:42:19] <teraflops> but it does not show username
3963[23:42:21] <tokayo> idk what it is
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3965[23:42:33] <tokayo> so it sucks too.. i see
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3969[23:42:55] <teraflops> it depends on what you want
3970[23:43:05] <tokayo> so it sucks too.. i see
3971[23:43:15] <tokayo> ops! someone told me to try xfce
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3974[23:43:27] <tokayo> i just want to feel comfortable with linux to migrate to it
3975[23:43:32] <tokayo> fuck windows i want linux
3976[23:45:20] <teraflops> gnome/mate/plasma5 are good choices too
3977[23:45:33] <tokayo> I used gnome but
3978[23:45:40] <tokayo> stuff i use is not too much
3979[23:45:44] <teraflops> tried mate?
3980[23:46:02] <n4dir> in general xfce4 is very intuitive and user friendly.
3981[23:46:23] <teraflops> youll have to try 2 or 3 till you find something you like tokayo
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3984[23:46:42] <tokayo> no
3985[23:46:44] <n4dir> i would pick one Desktop Environment and stick to it. Get the head into it. imho it doesn't make much sense to switch it all the time
3986[23:46:50] <tokayo> i tried gnome and xfce
3987[23:46:52] <tokayo> hmm
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3990[23:47:08] <tokayo> some offtopic can i pm you?
3991[23:47:36] <tokayo> teraflops:
3992[23:47:46] <teraflops> theres already an offtopic channel at #debian-offtopic
3993[23:48:07] <tokayo> nvm then
3994[23:48:11] <tokayo> so
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3996[23:48:21] <tokayo> when using de what should i look at?
3997[23:48:29] <tokayo> now im looking something beautiful
3998[23:48:43] <teraflops> tokayo: I meant, feel free to join there Im already there
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4001[23:49:20] <n4dir> kde looks rather good, last time i checked. gnome too. Better avoid window-maker if you are searching for a beatiful solution :-)
4002[23:49:34] <n4dir> enlightement17 is very sexy, but not many seem to use it.
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4006[23:50:24] <n4dir> mate and cinnamon (?) i don't know, but many seem to use it (which is good if searching for help)
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4008[23:51:03] <n4dir> i am with teraflops that you will have to test it for yourself.
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4013[23:55:22] <teraflops> plasma looks very powerful but learning curve can be a problem
4014[23:55:49] <n4dir> teraflops: plasma is a different word for kde?
4015[23:56:07] <teraflops> yeah
4016[23:56:11] <tokayo> i dont know about wm
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4018[23:56:30] <n4dir> teraflops: thanks
4019[23:56:35] <teraflops> idk how to cal it, plasma5 or KDE
4020[23:57:01] <teraflops> I think plasma5 is the correct term though
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4022[23:57:26] <n4dir> tokayo: window managers less ressources than a Destkop Manager, but offer less comfort. And xfce4 or such don't use much more ressources (at least not in debian)
4023[23:58:05] <n4dir> teraflops: thanks again. I am used to write kde. And i don't know it well anymore.
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4025[23:58:50] <teraflops> np
4026[23:59:08] <n4dir> tokayo: you can install a Desktop Environment *and* a window manager. Look at the window manager now and then, if you think you like that way to do things. No problem to mix them
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4029[23:59:53] <teraflops> sometimes you cant
4030[23:59:58] <teraflops> as in gnome
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