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6 [00:01:50] <wholeApple> Heston: but LVMs are like: I have a
file that is 2GB, I have 1GB on partition A and 1GB on partition B,
so I'll LVM-them to have enough space,right?
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16 [00:03:53] <Heston> wholeApple, LVMs offer more than that.
Snapshots being the most relevant to what you want. They remove a
lot of limitations from standard msdos partition tables too.
17 [00:04:19] <wholeApple> Heston: thanks
18 [00:04:27] <wholeApple> Ok, take care!!
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32 [00:09:29] <unborn> ,v php
33 [00:09:30] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+45;
sid: 1:7.0+49; stretch: 1:7.0+49
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36 [00:10:26] <unborn> ,v apache
37 [00:10:28] <judd> No package named 'apache' was
found in amd64.
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43 [00:11:29] <Henry151> hi
44 [00:11:39] <LtL> v, apache2
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47 [00:11:56] <Henry151> i'm on a dell E6410 and can't
find my built-in webcam
48 [00:11:59] <Henry151> any advice?
49 [00:12:09] <LtL> ,v apache2
50 [00:12:10] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7;
jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7;
stretch: 2.4.25-1; sid: 2.4.25-2
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53 [00:12:14] <LtL> doh
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60 [00:13:56] <LtL> Henry151: try as root 'dmidecode
|less' is should show up
61 [00:14:12] <LtL> Henry151: 'q' to quit
62 [00:14:13] <unborn> LtL: i know.. i was just making sure,
that I can read judd on channel as I am filtering out some stuff
63 [00:14:19] <unborn> and thanks
64 [00:14:36] <LtL> unborn: my pleasure
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66 [00:15:50] <unborn> now I should be able to work :)
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74 [00:19:08] <unborn> ,v irrsi
75 [00:19:09] <judd> No package named 'irrsi' was
found in amd64.
76 [00:19:19] <unborn> clear
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78 [00:20:02] <zykotick9> ,v irssi
79 [00:20:03] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports:
0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie:
0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 0.8.20-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
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84 [00:25:12] <Henry151> LtL: I think I see it
85 [00:25:40] <Henry151> there's an onboard device,
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87 [00:25:58] <Henry151> reference designation "Onboard
IGD" and type "Video"
88 [00:26:10] <Henry151> status "disabled"
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90 [00:26:33] <Henry151> how do I enable it/do you think that is
it?
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116 [00:39:53] <LtL> Henry151: i would assume thats it, but no
idea how to enable. anything about firmware in 'dmesg'?
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118 [00:40:21] <LtL> Henry151: google that phrase
119 [00:40:44] <monoglets> how can I use the package screen to
avoid connection lost when installing a package in the server?
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124 [00:47:23] <missmbob> monoglets: you read a tutorial.
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137 [00:53:30] <monoglets> missmbob: thank you very much
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141 [00:56:30] <zykotick9> monoglets: if you are just starting
out, you also might want to consider tmux as an alternative to
screen. they basically do the same things, tmux is just a lot
"newer"... food for thought ;)
142 [00:57:22] <m3k> what's better with tmux?
143 [00:57:44] <somiaj> a lot, screen has some limitations, but
for simple use they are about the same.
144 [00:57:58] <somiaj> I have mouse support with tmux inside of
xterm to switch between windows for isntance
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146 [00:58:23] <zykotick9> somiaj: or resize windows ;)
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148 [00:59:25] * zykotick9 notes tmux's switching windows can even
be achieved outside of xorg by using fbterm... but he wouldn't
actually "recommend" doing it ;)
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154 [01:02:09] <Akuw> hi guys
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158 [01:03:45] <missmbob> i feel like "greybeard reviews
tmux" should not only be a relevant google search but a
hilarious video that conveys how i feel about tmux
159 [01:05:03] <zykotick9> missmbob: personally, my biggest
complaints with tmux are the non-copyleft and
high-apple-developer-concentration... but to each there own. screen
still support serial, tmux doesn't!
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161 [01:05:22] <monoglets> zykotick9: thanks
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164 [01:06:34] <drm> does anyone know the recommended way to set
the JAVA_VERSION environment variable for debian? I can hard code it
in /etc/profile, but i would like to make it so that, if in the
future i change to a different version of java, the java version
updates in tandem, instead of having to go back and change the hard
coded value
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168 [01:08:19] <somiaj> drm: you the alternative system? I think
the debian java packages do this already
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172 [01:09:28] <somiaj> drm: though I'm not exactly familar
with this variable, is this to set what java certain apps will use?
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174 [01:10:21] <awal1> ,v byobu
175 [01:10:22] <judd> Package: byobu on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.16-1.1; wheezy-backports: 5.87-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.87-1; stretch:
5.87-1; sid: 5.112-1; stretch: 5.112-1
176 [01:10:33] <somiaj> drm: also not finding much info on this
variable.
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178 [01:11:26] <drm> somiaj, yeah, there is a project im trying
to work on that has a bash script that queries for the java version,
but when i echo it it doesnt exist
179 [01:11:43] <drm> i followed this wiki to install openjdk8
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180 [01:11:51] <somiaj> and it uses an env variable over running
'java --version'?
181 [01:12:01] <drm> but apparently the call to
update-java-alternatives doesnt create this variable
182 [01:12:13] <drm> somiaj, yeah, 'java --version'
works fine
183 [01:12:16] <somiaj> I'm not use to using variables to
query for a javaversion
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186 [01:12:29] <somiaj> you could put, JAVA_VERSION=`java
--version`
187 [01:12:33] <somiaj> if it outputs the same string
188 [01:12:44] <drm> ahhh, that might work
189 [01:12:46] <drm> lemme try that
190 [01:12:47] <drm> thx
191 [01:13:15] <somiaj> though I think the script should be doing
this, checkig for a version from an enviorment variable seems
strange. Now a script storing the version in a string using a commad
like I put there won't be as strange
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193 [01:13:25] <somiaj> are you sure the script isn't
setting this variable, as opposed to you need to set it?
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196 [01:14:55] <drm> somiaj, its the script for starting up
scala,
197 [01:15:13] <drm> it only gets the JAVA_VERSION var, never
sets it
198 [01:15:22] <drm> so it seems to expect it to already exist
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209 [01:21:19] <monoglets> how can I remove all the packages
installed by iredmail?
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212 [01:22:36] <somiaj> removing the package should be sufficent,
unless it installed stuff that is suggested/recommended by other
packages, that stuff will stay installed.
213 [01:22:46] <somiaj> if using apt-get, you'll have to run
apt-get autoremove afterwards
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218 [01:27:54] <Atm0spher1c> how do I find all the bot commands
in here?
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222 [01:29:28] <somiaj> drm: still seems strange, I'm
finding reference to JAVA_VERSION on scala's site either. You
may want to confir with their community as to what this variale is
supose to do and why it is supsoe to be set.
223 [01:29:32] <bazhang> via /query
224 [01:29:43] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: what do you mean
'install all the bot commands'?
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226 [01:29:55] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: do you want a copy of the
bot? The database? Are you talking dpkg or judd?
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229 [01:30:47] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c:
replaced-url
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233 [01:32:57] <implijer_> hey.I'm wondering about
/etc/apt/source.list. As default debian is choosing http/ftp over
https/ftps/ssh protocol. Why that ? To "clear" transition
like that on a network could lead to dangerous thing,nah ? Like
getting the DNS name at the renwal of it, and try to push my own
filled with malwares ? ... Ho I think I get it. Gpg signature would
avoid that ?
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236 [01:33:46] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: i just noticed judd is a
bot. find bot commands, not install.
237 [01:34:23] <TomTomTo1> !tell implijer_ about secure apt
238 [01:35:07] <implijer_> TomTomTo1, got that
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244 [01:37:33] <Atm0spher1c> implijer_: you can use
apt-transport-https, and mirror that uses ssl like kernel.org
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248 [01:38:30] <implijer_> My first concern was to know why
debian chose a not-encrypted way to do stuff while it didnt seem
overkill to do it x)
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250 [01:39:05] <implijer_> guess gpg signature is enought of an
answer for me
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307 [02:16:02] <Fauve> Hello people o/
308 [02:16:10] <Fauve> Please, how can I install pygame for
python3 ?
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314 [02:17:54] <somiaj> Fauve: is there a python3 version of it?
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318 [02:18:06] <Fauve> I didn’t find it.
319 [02:18:09] <somiaj> Fauve: i'm only seeing the
python-pygame for python2
320 [02:18:16] <Fauve> I try with pip but it bugg.
321 [02:18:18] <somiaj> I mean outside of debian, in debian I
don't see a python3 version
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323 [02:18:38] <missmbob> "Pygame 1.9.2 supports Python 3.2
and up"
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327 [02:19:48] <missmbob> so, yeah, you're just too early to
the game.
328 [02:20:23] <missmbob> swear i didn't do that on purpose
:P i'm just stupid
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330 [02:21:15] <Fauve> Oh,
331 [02:21:19] <Fauve> It work with pip3.
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333 [02:21:28] <Fauve> I had to install: python3-dev
python3-setuptools python3-numpy python3-opengl libav-tools
libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
libsmpeg-dev libsdl1.2-dev libportmidi-dev libswscale-dev
libavformat-dev libavcodec-dev libtiff5-dev libx11-6 libx11-dev
fluid-soundfont-gm timgm6mb-soundfont xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi
xfonts-75dpi xfonts-cyrillic fontconfig fonts-freefont-ttf
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447 [03:52:26] <ghormoon> hi, any hint on commandline tool
(preferably in repos) that could extract images from pdf? (one image
per pdf, dump scanner doing pdf per page)
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450 [03:55:32] <awal1> ghormoon, pdftk (+pdfchain as gui
front-end) is a great tool for manipulate pdf stuff; check it if it
suites your needs
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454 [03:59:58] <awal1> ghormoon: also you have pdfimages utility,
provided by 'poppler-utils'
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456 [04:00:51] <ghormoon> thanks, I'll try to figure
something out
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465 [04:04:18] <doverZ> Hi there, have a question/need if anyone
here knows a name, a website, or anything would be pleased cos i
havent found anything yet very usable and which is more important
simple and secure... I'm searching for alternatives about
making LIVE CD/DVD from the current installation on disk, now ive
tried systemback and refracta tools but wanted to know if there is a
script or smth simple and auditable or another gui like systemback..
466 [04:04:18] <doverZ> sorry for this brick :p
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482 [04:11:32] <monoglets> how do I configure virtual host at
this new version of apache2 ?
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484 [04:12:53] <missmbob> monoglets: you read a different
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535 [04:45:37] <monoglets> missmbob: thanks
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552 [04:55:32] <ocmsRzr> hi, for the last three weeks my 20gb
root partition has been giving me low space errors fluctuating
between 100mb free and 900 mb free. Today the system was completely
locked up because there were 0 bytes free. I attached a usb hard
drive to back up the home partition and reinstall debian, by the
time I finished backing up my important data, my root paritition is
showing 4gb free and all the symptoms are gone
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554 [04:56:43] <ocmsRzr> what could cause this? should I be
worried about someone having access to the machine? I don't
have an ssh server running on it, but I haven't taken steps to
lock it down either
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556 [04:57:44] <missmbob> was there a reboot in between there?
557 [04:57:59] <ocmsRzr> yes
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559 [04:58:43] <missmbob> items in /tmp (for example) get deleted
automatically when reboots happen. that's on posibility
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561 [04:59:05] <missmbob> one*
562 [04:59:11] <ocmsRzr> I deleted /tmp and /var/tmp manually
before rebooting, df -h was still reporting 0 bytes available
563 [04:59:12] <epsilon> or a process had a big file opened,
which was intended to be deleted
564 [04:59:33] <ocmsRzr> how would I investigate that?
565 [04:59:34] <missmbob> ocmsRzr: you doing rm and having the
kernel release it are very different things
566 [04:59:44] <ocmsRzr> oh
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570 [05:00:34] <ocmsRzr> so I deleted all the temp files, but the
kernel didn't see that until it was rebooted and now I've
got 4gb freed up?
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574 [05:01:27] <missmbob> ocmsRzr: yes
575 [05:02:27] <ocmsRzr> ok, is 20gb enough space for the root
partition anymore? I haven't reinstalled for years and when I
did the recommended size was 10-15gb so I thought 20gb would give me
tons of space to grow into
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577 [05:04:51] <missmbob> ocmsRzr: sure. my current laptop is
using 13 so 20 is plenty
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579 [05:05:23] <Heston> depends what you use your system for
really
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581 [05:05:40] <ocmsRzr> I wonder what the 4gb was being used for
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583 [05:06:08] <Heston> an advantage to LVMs is you could grow
your root partition if you had more physical space
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591 [05:08:34] <ocmsRzr> should I reinstall debian? I don't
really want to because I've got to the point where I rarely
need to install packages
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593 [05:09:09] <ocmsRzr> on the other hand, I'm in a work
situation where I can't really lose days to figuring out why my
root partition is full
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595 [05:10:38] <Heston> ocmsRzr, well you can investigate current
filesystem usage with du
596 [05:10:54] <missmbob> i dont see a reason to reinstall
anything. just keep your eyes open this time instead
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598 [05:11:32] <ocmsRzr> ok
599 [05:11:39] <ocmsRzr> thanks for the help, I was pretty
worried
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602 [05:12:24] <RayzrShrp> anybody have a link to a current
install guide for snort and jessie?
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604 [05:12:44] <somiaj> ,v snort
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606 [05:12:46] <judd> Package: snort on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5
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608 [05:13:10] <somiaj> RayzrShrp: it was removed from jessie for
some reason, you can check the package tracker as to why, or try to
backport it yourself fomr stretch.
609 [05:13:19] <somiaj> ,check-backport snort
610 [05:13:22] <judd> Backporting package snort in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libdaq-dev.
611 [05:13:32] <somiaj> looks like you'll have to backport
some libs too
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623 [05:20:56] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: i was refering to the bot
commands. Is there a list somewhere?
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625 [05:21:49] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: did you read the two links I
gave you.
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627 [05:23:03] <Atm0spher1c> got it thanks
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636 [05:32:27] <kingsley> I'd like to install a certain
Python module.
637 [05:32:41] <kingsley> It's web page says to use the
"pip" command.
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639 [05:33:07] <kingsley> However, I really like Debian's
native system administration tools, like apt-get.
640 [05:33:18] <kingsley> What should I do?
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642 [05:33:39] <kingsley> Run pip and be eternally cursed?
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649 [05:36:26] <Weeezy> kingsley, from what I can see it's
just a python tool. It's not going to replace apt-get is it?
650 [05:36:38] <Atm0spher1c> kingsley: you could use pythons
virtualenv to create isolated python environments.
651 [05:36:46] <Heston> what would be the easiest way to browse
the available non-free drivers for jessie? I'm not presently
using jessie
652 [05:37:01] <Atm0spher1c> kingsley: or build a debian package,
which could be more difficult
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654 [05:37:26] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: what are you using?
655 [05:38:01] <Heston> I dont see why that matters but im
running wheezy
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657 [05:38:37] <Atm0spher1c> Heston:
replaced-url
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659 [05:38:51] <Heston> I already searched there
660 [05:38:54] <kingsley> Weeezy: I agree that pip doesn't
replace apt-get. Sorry if I suggested otherwise. My concern is that
Debian's tools and pip keep different records and I may end up
with incompatible code. If not right away, in the future.
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663 [05:39:13] <Heston> i dont believe it indexes non-free or
contrib either im guessing
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665 [05:40:16] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: it does, its listed in the
drop down 'section'
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667 [05:40:53] <Atm0spher1c> kingsley: use virtualenv
668 [05:41:22] <kingsley> Atm0spher1c: I'm researching
virtualenv now...
669 [05:41:35] <Heston> Atm0spher1c, you're right..I used
the wrong search area
670 [05:41:42] <Heston> thanks
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672 [05:42:36] <missmbob> virtualenv is a must
673 [05:42:43] <missmbob> !virtualenv
674 [05:42:43] <dpkg> well, virtualenv is a python development
environment that's separate from global system installed
binaries and libraries.
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680 [05:45:13] <Heston> I'm having some major wlan
instability will the iwlwifi driver in wheezy
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683 [05:46:15] <Heston> with*
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687 [05:48:11] <Logg> Is there a way to replace the "command
not found" error with a more accurate "you need root to
run this command" error?
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689 [05:48:53] <somiaj> Logg: use full paths to the commands and
you won't have to worry about that.
690 [05:49:06] <Logg> "haha" somiaj
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693 [05:49:43] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: you try the backport?
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697 [05:49:59] <somiaj> if the command is not in $PATH, the shell
isn't going to look for it elsewhere. So it won't know if
the command is just not on your system or the binary is located
elsewhere.
698 [05:50:53] <Logg> maybe it should. I would like a shell that
even sudos for me
699 [05:50:55] <missmbob> somiaj: i think Logg meant the package
command-not-found
700 [05:51:02] <missmbob> ,i command-not-found
701 [05:51:03] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional)
in jessie/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive
bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k
702 [05:51:14] <somiaj> missmbob: ahh there is already a script
for this...silly me
703 [05:51:23] <Logg> Thank you missmbob <3
704 [05:51:48] <Heston> Atm0spher1c, I haven't. I
didn't know there could be backports for proprietary drivers
705 [05:51:52] <somiaj> the description seems to suggest that is
for looking for the command in the repo, not other parts of your
system.
706 [05:52:08] <n4dir> and that is what it does
707 [05:52:33] <n4dir> well: iirc. :-)
708 [05:52:53] <missmbob> it is
709 [05:53:16] <Logg> Well. that's not exactly what I want,
but it would solve at least one confusion. Getting "command not
found" means I have to check spelling, check sudo, and make
sure it's installed
710 [05:53:29] <n4dir> don't remember it knows anything bout
being root or not root, only proposes to install a missing command
711 [05:53:35] <Logg> I would like "command not found"
to only be an error if I misspell a command
712 [05:54:02] <Rusty1_> Heston: dmesg might suggest disabling
ipv6
713 [05:54:12] <n4dir> the command is not found, i agree with
somiaj that i can't think of an easy way to figure out if a
command is found on someone elses path
714 [05:54:40] <somiaj> well that would kinda defeate the
purprose of $PATH, but I guess if it was just an error handler that
knew to look in /sbin, etc
715 [05:55:16] <Logg> Alright, well I was just wondering if this
was a solved problem or not, of having to check 3 things when you
get the same error message
716 [05:55:30] <Logg> thanks for command-not-found, I'll
install that and only have to check 2 things
717 [05:55:35] <n4dir> i never heard of such Logg, but that
doesn't mean it doesn't exist
718 [05:55:57] <Heston> Rusty1_, that's an interesting
thought. Any idea why that would help? Dmesg isnt recommending
anything but this is what it looks like
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720 [05:56:00] <n4dir> as far typos are concerned:
command-completion and history-completion are a bless in that regard
721 [05:56:13] <Logg> Yeah, I tab complete a lot
722 [05:56:28] <Heston> I'm getting disconnected a couple
times every 10 minutes and everyone else in the house isnt having
problems
723 [05:56:32] <Logg> history-completion sounds cool though. I do
a lot of "history | grep [...]"
724 [05:56:36] <Heston> singal strength is high
725 [05:56:53] <n4dir> now that i think of it: such a thing (that
command exists, but must be run as root) would be pretty cool
726 [05:57:07] <missmbob> Heston: yeah, but it's wheezy.
hell even jessie has backported wifi drivers.
727 [05:57:20] <Logg> Maybe they would accept it as a pull
request in command-not-found
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729 [05:57:40] <Logg> I'll have to look into the project
730 [05:57:40] <n4dir> Logg: you need to edit /etc/inputrc to
enable history completion, debian had it commented out, last time i
checked. Very cool for really long and confusing commands
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732 [05:58:03] <Logg> Yeah I've got a few of those that vary
just enough that I can't make aliases for them easily
733 [05:58:16] <n4dir> oh. well: or that.
734 [05:58:19] <n4dir> :-)
735 [05:58:49] <n4dir> ah, you can't. ok, search in inputrc
for alternate mappings for yady-yada history
736 [05:58:58] <n4dir> to complete use page-up, not tab
737 [05:58:59] <Heston> missmbob, I just dont understand how a
closed source driver is backported, so I didnt know they existed
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742 [06:00:15] <somiaj> Heston: what driver are you using? closed
source? Or just the firmware is closed?
743 [06:00:55] <missmbob> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
744 [06:00:57] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free:
20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
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746 [06:00:59] <Heston> well im using firmware-iwlwifi
specifically
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748 [06:01:41] <somiaj> that is just the firmware, the driver is
open and in the kernel. wheezy-backports should have a newer kernel
and firmware. You could also consider upgrading to jessie
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750 [06:02:07] <Heston> ah, I understand
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752 [06:02:26] <Heston> Will I need to upgrade the kernel too to
use the backported firmware?
753 [06:02:39] <Heston> driver*
754 [06:02:44] <somiaj> yes
755 [06:02:50] <Heston> damn..
756 [06:02:54] <somiaj> you kinda want firmware/kernel to match.
757 [06:03:01] <missmbob> Heston: is there a reason not to
upgrade this to jessie?
758 [06:03:02] <Heston> im using wheezy specifically for the
older kernel
759 [06:03:26] <missmbob> well that fucks shit up :P
760 [06:03:29] <Heston> I was having hard lockups that I couldnt
track down
761 [06:03:33] <somiaj> you could invest in another wifi card
that is supported with that kernel then....if indeed the problem is
the card is a bit too new for the kernel.
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764 [06:04:24] <Heston> one is in the mail
765 [06:04:49] <Heston> I just wasnt having this problem in
jessie
766 [06:04:58] <missmbob> you checked the chipset with whatever
old kernel your using?
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770 [06:05:31] <missmbob> Heston: yeah, that makes sense. thus my
"yeah, it's wheezy" comment.
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772 [06:05:43] <Heston> hmm, checked in what way?
773 [06:05:59] <CrazyTux> hello, I want to install Debian Jessie
on my new laptop. Which flavour would you suggest?
774 [06:06:00] <Heston> existing bug reports?
775 [06:06:18] <somiaj> CrazyTux: what do you mean by flavour?
776 [06:06:21] <iflema> CrazyTux: gnome
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779 [06:06:38] <Logg> I like awesomewm if you feel crazy
780 [06:06:40] <somiaj> Heston: or just check the chipset against
what the wiki says is supported with the kernel in wheezy
781 [06:06:42] <missmbob> Heston: make sure the chipset you have
in the mail is supported by your kernel version?
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788 [06:07:19] <CrazyTux> I downloaded Jessie with Cinnamon
yesterday and created a live usb. But, when I tried to boot from
that I was not successful.
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790 [06:07:39] <somiaj> CrazyTux: is your goal to install debian,
if so the installers are better to use than the live images
791 [06:07:39] <iflema> eww
792 [06:07:48] <Heston> ohh, well im quite sure it is. It's
an old atheros chipset endorsed by libreboot
793 [06:07:49] <CrazyTux> Even when boot was successful, mouse
pointer was unresponsive.
794 [06:07:57] <missmbob> CrazyTux: how did you try to create
this usb?
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796 [06:08:05] <Heston> as for this one. I've never had
issues with it in the past
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798 [06:08:15] <CrazyTux> I used unetbootin.
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800 [06:08:20] <missmbob> !unetbootin
801 [06:08:20] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
802 [06:08:47] <missmbob> cruel and unusual ways indeed
803 [06:09:10] <CrazyTux> I have created the live usb again. Need
to test it now.
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805 [06:09:35] <missmbob> CrazyTux: you didnt read any of that,
did you?
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807 [06:09:48] <CrazyTux> But, I want to know, is Cinnamon well
integrated with Debian Jessie? As well as other DEs?
808 [06:09:49] <Logg> write it to a DVD if possible. you'll
get the least problems
809 [06:10:02] <Logg> Cinnamon works fine in debian
810 [06:10:14] <yhf> hi, I have two monitors and how to enable
'sticky edge' when mouse crossing monitors
811 [06:10:19] <CrazyTux> I just downloaded Xfce also.
812 [06:10:41] <iflema> gnome or i3
813 [06:11:25] <CrazyTux> But, when I tested in Virtual Box
Cinnamon worked fine there.
814 [06:11:31] <iflema> o\
815 [06:11:41] <missmbob> CrazyTux: did you actually read what
the bot said?
816 [06:11:47] <Heston> ah so appearently the older driver has a
bug for N-mode
817 [06:12:58] <CrazyTux> yes. I created the live usb with
someother application this time. Not unetbootin.
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819 [06:13:13] <missmbob> CrazyTux: do you mind telling us which?
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the enemy... with a smile
822 [06:13:41] <CrazyTux> Startup Disk Creator.
823 [06:13:54] <iflema> live cds even... lool
824 [06:14:26] <CrazyTux> I don't have CDs or DVDs. Will
have to rely on pendrives only.
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826 [06:14:50] <Logg> There's an exe you can run to install
debian
827 [06:15:00] <awal1_> CrazyTux: if you are using windows use
'win32diskimager', if another gnu/linux OS, just use
'cp'
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829 [06:15:14] <iflema> cinnamon to boot
830 [06:16:01] <CrazyTux> awal1, I am using Xubuntu in my old
laptop.
831 [06:16:07] <missmbob> Logg: thankfully that's long dead
unless you're using xp
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833 [06:16:26] <awal1_> CrazyTux, debian iso is already a
bootable one, just copy it to your usb
834 [06:16:39] <missmbob> CrazyTux: so use cp like the install
guide says. sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX;sync;
835 [06:16:56] <Logg> missmbob: I think it's still in the
project, you can just double click an exe and it inserts
"install debian" in the windows bootloader
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837 [06:17:27] <CrazyTux> ok. Liked Debian with Cinnamon a lot
and want to install it on my new laptop.
838 [06:17:28] <missmbob> Logg: yeah it's in the project.
kind of useless in 2017 when it just supports xp, though.
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840 [06:17:41] <Logg> think it worked for me on windows 7
841 [06:17:54] <Logg> must have gotten updated
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843 [06:19:07] <CrazyTux> btw, what's the difference between
a fedora or fedora based distro and Debian?
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846 [06:19:18] <CrazyTux> which is easier for a beginner?
847 [06:19:23] <Logg> debian is more stable
848 [06:19:36] <missmbob> most basic difference is package
management.
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850 [06:20:11] <CrazyTux> ok. Which package management is better?
which one has more packages available?
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853 [06:20:55] <n4dir> in a debian channel most people will
probably prefer the debian packagemanagement. ...
854 [06:21:00] <iflema> deb and deb?
855 [06:21:03] <iflema> XD
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857 [06:21:32] <Logg> ubuntu has the most packages and support in
general. I think mint is best for a beginner. But you won't go
wrong on Debian for sure
858 [06:21:48] <Logg> I tried fedora a while ago, it was okay.
859 [06:21:51] <CrazyTux> ok
860 [06:21:59] <iflema> Jessie is in a good place
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862 [06:22:53] <CrazyTux> there is one more distro by name
Korora. Saw it yesterday on distrowatch.com
863 [06:23:00] <awal1_> CrazyTux: debian have powerful tools for
pkg management: dpkg, apt, apt-get, aptitude...; and 40000+ pkgs
available. fedora just have yum and maybe 10000 pkgs or less :P
864 [06:23:14] <missmbob> try them all in a vm. but do it
silently. this is offtopic and annoying :P
865 [06:23:24] <Logg> Try whatever you want Tux, I settled on
debian for its stability
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867 [06:23:34] <CrazyTux> ok. I like Debian too.
868 [06:23:54] <awal1_> only debian is followed by gentoo (+/-
20000 pkgs
869 [06:24:03] <n4dir> oh.
870 [06:24:06] <CrazyTux> for stability and security. More than
anything, for the Debian Social Contract.
871 [06:24:26] <n4dir> CrazyTux: who the bloody hell cares about
debian. A good speech.
872 [06:24:39] <CrazyTux> yes. I have seen it.
873 [06:24:46] <awal1_> debian is most stable, followed by
slakware & gentoo :P
874 [06:24:52] <n4dir> ah, sorry. didn't want to bug you
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876 [06:25:00] <CrazyTux> Debian has to continue and grow.
877 [06:25:33] <awal1_> debian have 1000 + devs/maintainers;
fedora maybe 50 :P
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880 [06:26:19] <CrazyTux> yes.
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885 [06:26:50] <awal1_> Crazytux, repeat after me: debian is the
best GNU/Linux OS ourt there!
886 [06:26:56] <awal1_> :D
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888 [06:27:30] <CrazyTux> yes. Debian is the best GNU/Linux.
889 [06:27:37] <awal1_> :D
890 [06:27:55] <CrazyTux> ok, guys. Let me try Debian cinnamon.
See you later.
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897 [06:29:34] <missmbob> awal1_: were you being serious about
size or just having a joke?
898 [06:29:58] <awal1_> missmbob: size of what?
899 [06:30:20] <missmbob> awal1_: fedora developers
900 [06:30:42] <awal1_> missmbobz: that's what I read 1 or 2
years ago
901 [06:30:53] <awal1_> they have only a few devs payed by redhat
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903 [06:31:14] <awal1_> other are like community
"amateurs"
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905 [06:31:42] <awal1_> if not wrong, redhat only have around
1000/2000 pkgs in it's main repos
906 [06:31:57] <awal1_> same for suse
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908 [06:33:33] <awal1_> if you check bugzilla, almost all fedora
bugs are "closed, end of release"
909 [06:33:49] <awal1_> they have no time/people for fix stuff
910 [06:33:51] <missmbob> fedora 25 has 18917 in repos. your
numbers are just wrong. but i dont care since we should stop talking
about it anyway
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912 [06:35:42] <awal1_> I may be confused with suse. well, I dont
know redhat repos well; something like arch main vs aur, they have
much less in main. anyway; not important :P missmbob
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914 [06:37:09] <awal1_> no one is comparable to debian;
that's sure
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916 [06:37:27] <missmbob> damn straight
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918 [06:37:38] <n4dir> depends what you want
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920 [06:38:42] <awal1_> also the most important is available
binaries (for end user); my numbers refers to that
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922 [06:38:54] <iflema> n4dir: hear here
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927 [06:39:59] <n4dir> some praise gentoo, for the good control
you are in (they would say no other compares to it). I for one am
not much in the mood to compile all the time ...
928 [06:40:25] * iflema global warming and all...
929 [06:40:30] <n4dir> mainly that
930 [06:40:32] <n4dir> :-)
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1017 [07:51:14] <MarcoNL> Hi Guys, I'm trying to setup a new
preseed script to install a bunch of customer servers for the next
coming months. For some reason I can't figure out the right way
to create a raid1 array over 2 SSD disks with debian jessie. When I
google this, I get loads of examples, but all diffirent. I think I
tried them all by now, but none of the works as it should
1018 [07:51:24] <MarcoNL> anyone care to help me out a little bit
here?
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1020 [07:51:41] <MarcoNL> Or at least point me to the right
direction
1021 [07:52:07] <kfrz> Hi, I have a problem. I just installed
Windows 10 on my hard drive that held an old Debian installation
(located at sda) and my working Debian install is at sdb. After
installing Windows, I'm unable to boot into my Debian install,
in fact it doesn't even show up as a disk. I managed to get
into it by using REFIND on a USB but after following instructions on
Debian docs /replaced-url
1022 [07:52:26] <kfrz> I can't seem to see it in the nvram
entry
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1024 [07:53:04] <kfrz> Now I'm sort of stuck and frustrated.
I know the install is all still there and I need to do something
with the MBR but wish I could somehow just have REFIND or Grub2 back
with a "windows 10" option
1025 [07:53:26] <kfrz> Any help on this is much appreciated and
can be paid back in the form of gourmet PB&J
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1070 [08:26:48] <n1b> Does anyone else remember the good old days
of linux?
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1072 [08:27:13] <dynek> kernel panics?
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1074 [08:27:26] <n1b> software lacking in the respo
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1078 [08:29:08] <buu> ok friends
1079 [08:29:19] <buu> sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports
zfs-dkms
1080 [08:29:23] <buu> E: Unable to locate package zfs-dkms
1081 [08:29:32] <buu> where did zfs go?
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1084 [08:30:15] <missmbob> it's in contrib
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1087 [08:30:36] <buu> what
1088 [08:30:42] <buu> oh
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1090 [08:31:09] <buu> I didn't realize that was still a
thing. What other sections are there?
1091 [08:31:26] <missmbob> main contrib non-free
1092 [08:31:41] <buu> Well ok then.
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1095 [08:32:40] <buu> oh god
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1098 [08:34:03] <buu> It's all gone horribly wrong
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1101 [08:36:30] <MarcoNL> Isn't there really anyone with
experience with preseed scripts?
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1106 [08:39:14] * wlan3 needs help sending mail from an script.
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1108 [08:40:02] <buu> dpkg: error processing archive
/var/cache/apt/archives/libuutil1linux_0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1_amd64.deb
(--unpack):
1109 [08:40:02] <dpkg> buu: That isn't an error, post the
whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1110 [08:40:03] <wlan3> Is there some way to send it without a
local mta?
1111 [08:40:05] <buu> trying to overwrite
'/lib/libuutil.so.1.0.1', which is also in package
libuutil1 0.6.5.7-8-wheezy
1112 [08:40:08] <buu> It is too dpkg
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1114 [08:40:23] <buu> wlan3: sure, make a tcp connection to a mta
1115 [08:40:29] <buu> *smtp server
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1118 [08:41:04] <missmbob> this, kids, is why is dont *mix*
releases
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1121 [08:41:10] <wlan3> buu: anything easier than telnet for that?
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1125 [08:42:37] <GPenguin> maybe not the most clever way but i
would "apt-get purge" that package, clean cache and then
install it again
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1127 [08:43:16] <buu> GPenguin: Yeah, I didn't purge as
thoroughly as I should ahve
1128 [08:43:21] <buu> wlan3: uh.. yes?
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1130 [08:43:33] <buu> I mean, for one thing telnet is for talking
to telnet servers not mail servers
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1132 [08:44:43] <wlan3> buu: I know, I just cannot seem to find an
"smtp client" that isn't a "relay MTA"
1133 [08:44:54] <buu> uh
1134 [08:44:56] <buu> `mail`
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1136 [08:45:26] <buu> Or just use an actual programming language
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1138 [08:46:04] <GPenguin> buu: would you still use perl for
buubot? :P
1139 [08:46:42] <themill> wlan3: you need to define the scope of
your problem a little better. Sending mail to a local user? Sending
via a properly administered mail server? Sending a simple email?
Sending a complicated email with attachments?
1140 [08:47:29] <buu> GPenguin: Unless someone was paying me, yes.
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1142 [08:47:42] <GPenguin> hehe :)
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1148 [08:51:07] <buu> Like even if I didn't enjoy the
language so much it just has tooling that's so far ahead of
anyone else's
1149 [08:52:18] <buu> p.s. rocketraid cards taking literally 2
minutes to scan for connected disks is *hilarious*
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1158 [08:58:38] <jelly> buu: a /usr/bin/mail implementation relies
on the local MTA for actual delivery
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1162 [08:59:26] <wlan3> themill: Yeah, sorry. Simple one-liner log
warning, send to a properly administered mail.
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1167 [09:00:36] <themill> wlan3: then using /usr/bin/mail to give
it to a local MTA that hands it off to the right server would be the
normal way
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1171 [09:01:26] <wlan3> themill: That's what I'd do if I
could convice boss to install something like msmtp
1172 [09:02:07] <themill> dma or nullmailer would probably be
simpler choices
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1186 [09:13:55] <wlan3> Well, bye
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1197 [09:19:50] <n1b> When I'm trying to install debian I
keep getting this error
replaced-url
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1203 [09:23:33] <n1b> I'm trying to use Xfree86 but it says
my video card is not supported
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1205 [09:23:56] <Mava> was wondering, why is my box connecting -
quite frequently - to metadata.ftp-master.debian.org ?
1206 [09:24:25] <grawity> n1b: I don't think XFree86 supports
any hardware from the last 10 years
1207 [09:24:31] <grawity> n1b: is there a specific reason you need
it over Xorg?
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1209 [09:28:30] <n1b> I am using debian 2.2 on my computer and
I'm trying to get it working properly.
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1211 [09:29:21] <missmbob> that made me question my soberity
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1289 [10:06:47] <ilushka4> Guys, I'm really frustrated,
crontab won't execute any command
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1291 [10:07:07] <ilushka4> even */1 * * * * echo "test"
(if it's correct)
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1297 [10:09:17] <Stummi> ilushka4, where you you look if it works?
1298 [10:09:44] <ilushka4> Stummi, what do you mean?
1299 [10:09:57] <grawity> where are you expecting to see
"test"
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1301 [10:10:07] <ilushka4> sudo crontab -e
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1304 [10:10:28] <ilushka4> grawity, sorry, I have a python script
which should pop a message on the screen
1305 [10:10:32] <Stummi> ilushka4, "crontab -e" shows
your crontab file itself. Crontab won't write "echo"
minutely into this file after that
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1307 [10:10:57] <Stummi> ilushka4, there may be your problem
already. have you proper access to X, and DISPLAY exported?
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1318 [10:14:34] <ilushka4> Stummi, if I understood you correctly,
i have an access to the python script and I execute it manually
without problems
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1338 [10:22:32] <Hestben> ilushka4: The question is, what output
do you expect? With a simple echo command, you get an output in the
terminal, when executing it, but a cron job does not have a terminal
set
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1340 [10:23:45] <Hestben> ilushka4: If you are outputting to the
screen with something like 'notify-send', you need to
properly configure the displaying of the message.
1341 [10:24:22] <afx_> hello ! Can someone help me with this
replaced-url
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1344 [10:25:35] <ilushka4> Hestben, hi, the python script uses
tkinter to display a message box on the screen. I run the script
manually without problems, but crontab doesn't execute it for
some reason
1345 [10:26:15] <Hestben> ilushka4: Are you sure the script is not
executing? Touch a file in the script, or output to some temp file.
1346 [10:27:12] <missmbob> he's really just not understanding
the concept of exporting DISPLAY
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1348 [10:27:45] <CrazyTux> how to create debian live usb using cp?
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1350 [10:27:52] <CrazyTux> command?
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1353 [10:28:22] <missmbob> CrazyTux: sudo cp foo.iso
/dev/sdx;sync;
1354 [10:28:50] <CrazyTux> do I need to copy and paste this in
terminal?
1355 [10:28:55] <missmbob> yes
1356 [10:29:14] <missmbob> edit sdx accordingly
1357 [10:29:25] <CrazyTux> I have the image file downloaded on my
hdd.
1358 [10:29:50] <CrazyTux> what is sdx?
1359 [10:29:50] <missmbob> i know. that's "foo.iso"
1360 [10:30:01] <missmbob> the drive path
1361 [10:30:18] <missmbob> probably sdb or sdc
1362 [10:30:25] <CrazyTux> ok. But, do I need to replace foo.iso
with anything?
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1364 [10:30:30] <malacozoan> Don't forget to unmount /dev/sdx
first
1365 [10:30:36] <CrazyTux> ok
1366 [10:30:37] <missmbob> the real name of the iso
1367 [10:30:51] <CrazyTux> ok. let me try.
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1373 [10:32:06] <CrazyTux> I have the iso image copied on the
desktop now.
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1376 [10:34:42] <CrazyTux> foo.iso has to be replaced with the
path of the iso file?
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1387 [10:39:22] <awal1_> CrazyTux, what is the exact path to your
debian iso and your usb drive?
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1389 [10:40:46] <awal1_> paste the output of "lsblk"
(paste.debian.net)
1390 [10:41:07] <ilushka4> Hestben, i'm sure it's not
executing :(
1391 [10:41:09] <CrazyTux> ok. I got it. I created the live usb.
let me test it.
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1393 [10:41:31] <CrazyTux> will come back if it doesn't work.
1394 [10:41:32] <ilushka4> This is the command: "*/1 * * * *
/usr/bin/python3.4 /home/ilushka/Desktop/edx-c/status.py"
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1402 [10:44:48] <Hestben> ilushka4: Is there a syslog entry about
it not working?
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1405 [10:45:08] <Hestben> ilushka4: is the cron daemon running?
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1407 [10:45:47] <Hestben> ilushka4: Have you tried to write
another simple script (such as that "echo" you mentioned?)
1408 [10:45:47] <daemon> I am starting to really regret this
nickname
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1410 [10:46:25] <ilushka4> Hestben, root 8392 1 0 10:48 ? 00:00:00
/usr/sbin/cron -f
1411 [10:46:26] <ilushka4> , seems like working
1412 [10:46:35] <missmbob> awal1_: you seem to be able to get
through to some people when i've tried a dozen times and they
keep ignoring. please somehow get them to see they need to export
DISPLAY for that cronjob to work properly
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1424 [10:50:51] <awal1_> missmbob: 4:50 am here; time to
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. have a good day/night there :P
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1445 [11:03:30] <ilushka4> i just can't understand this. why
crontab cannot execute scripts while I can manually?
1446 [11:03:43] <ilushka4> cron log doesn't show anything
1447 [11:03:48] <ilushka4> and it's running
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1449 [11:05:32] <noc_> it does, you are not connecting to the
graphical X server, in other words: if more than 1 user session is
active, how can your scrpt choose which one to display itself on?
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1451 [11:05:51] <Hestben> ilushka4: and a simple script like
"echo horse > /path/to/file" doesn't work either?
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1453 [11:06:12] <noc_> missmbob pointed you to the solution above
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1455 [11:06:28] <RoyK> any idea where I can find
linux-image-extra? Docs seem to say it's in the standard repos,
but I can't find it...
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1458 [11:07:17] <ilushka4> Hestben, actually it works, and this
makes me very confused
1459 [11:07:33] <missmbob> RoyK: that's an ubuntu thing
1460 [11:07:49] <ilushka4> Hestben, I even tried to run the
commend in a .sh file and then put it into the crontab instead of
the python script
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1462 [11:07:56] <Hestben> ilushka4: Then, as many people have
pointed out, it looks like you have not set up a display properly
1463 [11:07:57] <RoyK> missmbob: oh
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1465 [11:08:19] <Hestben> ilushka4: Like the second answer in
replaced-url
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1467 [11:08:41] <Hestben> "env DISPLAY=:0.0" or
something like that
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1469 [11:10:02] <GPenguin> does your script have a proper shebang
line?
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1479 [11:14:31] <ilushka4> GPenguin, yes, #!/usr/bin/python3.4
1480 [11:14:31] <babilen> RoyK: What are you trying to do?
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1484 [11:18:31] <s48899> Hello, I'm in the library and trying
to create a bootable usb stick. But the device owner is root, so
can't be written. Does that depend on the OS here or on the
current format of the stick, ie can I chown it at home (how?). It
did work when the stick was new
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1490 [11:20:13] <missmbob> s48899: right. that's why in the
install guide it includes the use of sudo when creating a usb stick
1491 [11:20:35] <s48899> I don't think I could sudo last time
either
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1495 [11:23:02] <s48899> on Suse, btw. At home I had to write as
root, but I really don't think that's related to how the
stick is mounted here
1496 [11:23:11] <s48899> *at home on debian
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1499 [11:23:44] <s48899> maybe the suse installation in the
library changed is my best guess
1500 [11:24:12] <noc_> maybe you were already root (su) or the
script/GUI sudo'ed automatically
1501 [11:25:10] <babilen> s48899: You have to be root (or have
comparable capabilities) in order to directly write to the USB
stick's block device
1502 [11:25:14] <s48899> I don't think dd has suid set :)
1503 [11:25:22] <malacozoan> lol
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1505 [11:27:54] <babilen> s48899: I'd use cp, but would be
surprised if that had suid set
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1511 [11:31:43] <liveuser> hello..I wanted to use Debian Jessie
Cinnamon on my new laptop. Tried creating the live usb with multiple
applications. The live usb was not detected.
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1513 [11:32:29] <s48899> so, what did you try_
1514 [11:32:33] <liveuser> But, I could create a live usb of other
distros like Korora, Mint successfully and they were detected.
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1516 [11:32:53] <liveuser> is Debian stable Jessie not suitable
for new laptops?
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1518 [11:33:06] <s48899> liveuser: maybe you forgot to (re)enable
usb in the boot sequence
1519 [11:33:40] <liveuser> I tried cp command, unetbootin, startup
disk creator and etcher.
1520 [11:33:57] <liveuser> No. It is enabled by default.
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1522 [11:34:25] <s48899> liveuser: ok, because I change that after
installation and sometimes forget to reenable
1523 [11:34:37] <s48899> liveuser: not all isos are suitable for
booting from usb
1524 [11:34:52] <liveuser> Moreover, I just created a live usb of
korora and am using it now. Didn't change any boot sequence.
1525 [11:34:52] <s48899> cinnamon remix is probably not officially
supported
1526 [11:35:03] <s48899> I know that it works with the official
netinstall images
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1528 [11:35:55] <liveuser> I tried creating Debian Cinnamon by
using at least 3 or 4 applications. Was not successful.
1529 [11:36:11] <missmbob> liveuser: start over. all of the
programs you listed except cp are known to break debian hybrid isos.
1530 [11:36:41] <liveuser> I used cp also.
1531 [11:36:46] <missmbob> liveuser: so cp foo.iso /dev/sdx;sync
(note it's sdx, NOT sdx1)
1532 [11:37:34] <s48899> you can still install cinnamon from the
repos with a regular jessie install (if cinnamon is in the repos)
1533 [11:37:41] <liveuser> yes. I know.
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1535 [11:38:03] <Iridos> hm, surely there are tools in debian to
look at a database graphically? how'd I search for those
1536 [11:38:07] <liveuser> ok. Regular means what?
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1538 [11:38:33] <JohnTitor> Iridos: which database engine?
1539 [11:38:43] <Iridos> postgresql
1540 [11:39:44] <s48899> liveuser: well jessie != jessie cinnamon
i suppose
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1542 [11:39:57] <missmbob> liveuser: do you have secureboot
enabled? debian images do *not* support that
1543 [11:40:24] <JohnTitor> ,v pgadmin
1544 [11:40:25] <judd> No package named 'pgadmin' was
found in amd64.
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1546 [11:41:10] <liveuser> missmbob, don't know about that.
what I have to do if secureboot is enabled?
1547 [11:41:16] <Iridos> that'd b pgadmin3
1548 [11:41:17] <Iridos> be*
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1550 [11:41:47] <missmbob> liveuser: disable it in your boot setup
menu
1551 [11:41:48] <Allen_Oaks> if it isn't the debian users
1552 [11:41:52] <JohnTitor> Iridos: hmm
1553 [11:42:12] <Allen_Oaks> Don't forget to add a picture to
your grub bootloader! hehe!
1554 [11:42:24] <JohnTitor> Iridos: yeah pgadmin3
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1556 [11:42:42] <liveuser> ok. Need to check.
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1558 [11:42:59] <liveuser> Which is the default Debian DE?
1559 [11:43:12] <JohnTitor> gnome iirc
1560 [11:43:35] <Allen_Oaks> hexchat is great for using IRC!
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1562 [11:44:38] <s48899> Allen_Oaks: #debian-offtopic?
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1564 [11:46:35] <Iridos> will have a look, thanks
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1568 [11:47:08] <liveuser> ok
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1571 [11:47:27] <liveuser> let me check whether secure boot is
enabled.
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1573 [11:47:39] <s48899> so i'll try to reformat the stick
(to fat) before I reformat the stick with the install image. *sigh*
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1577 [11:48:29] <Allen_Oaks> mkfs.vfat what a great utility! boy i
sure do love GNU/LINUX
1578 [11:48:34] <liveuser> to which the pendrive to be formatted
to create a Debian live usb?
1579 [11:48:41] <liveuser> which file system?
1580 [11:48:53] <missmbob> nothing. iso images have their own
filesystem included
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1583 [11:49:15] <liveuser> ext4 would be ok?
1584 [11:49:32] <missmbob> it really couldn't matter less
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1587 [11:49:45] <liveuser> shall I try Cinnamon now or some other
DE?
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1589 [11:50:39] <n4dir> !best
1590 [11:50:40] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean
by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin!
Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play!
Anyone for Tennis!
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1592 [11:51:05] <n4dir> that is: i see no reason not to try
Cinnamon
1593 [11:51:14] <Allen_Oaks> liveuser what are you trying to
accomplish?
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1595 [11:51:43] <liveuser> Allen_oaks, just want to install and
use Debian stable.
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1598 [11:52:15] <Allen_Oaks> Oh well in that case, try and use DD
it's great!
1599 [11:52:20] <liveuser> I need some convenient DE on Debian
Jessie. And I think Cinnamon would be great.
1600 [11:52:23] <s48899> liveuser: i just said that because fat32
doesnt save file permissions (i guess), so linux wouldn't
figure the stick is owned by root
1601 [11:52:39] <Allen_Oaks> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda bs=4k
1602 [11:52:44] <Allen_Oaks> make sure you format first!
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1604 [11:52:48] <Henry151> Hello folks. what I am trying to do is
setup a toughbook CF-30 so that whatever wifi network it is
connected to, if it has internet access, I will be able to ssh into
it remotely. Any input into that project? I have three CF-30's
and want to set them each up this way
1605 [11:52:59] <liveuser> ok. Format to which file system?
1606 [11:53:05] <Allen_Oaks> fat32
1607 [11:53:17] <liveuser> ol
1608 [11:53:18] <Allen_Oaks> sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda <-- Your
USB
1609 [11:53:20] <liveuser> ok
1610 [11:53:24] <missmbob> s48899: no. iso has it's own
filesystem in it and you're writing to the block device, so the
current fs on the usb gets errased no matter what it is
1611 [11:53:30] <missmbob> jesus
1612 [11:53:51] <liveuser> ok. then, no formatting needed?
1613 [11:53:55] <missmbob> correct
1614 [11:53:56] <Allen_Oaks> no
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1616 [11:54:08] <Allen_Oaks> i'd format if i were you
1617 [11:54:09] <s48899> missmbob: the stick currently is ext4,
but ext4 couldn't care less who created it, right? the OS only
mounts the stick as root, because there are root owned files on
there, I guess
1618 [11:54:10] <TomTomTosch> and only write to /dev/sda if you
know that's the correct drive.
1619 [11:54:17] <TomTomTosch> Allen_Oaks: that makes no sense.
1620 [11:54:28] <Allen_Oaks> ?
1621 [11:54:31] <liveuser> ok. let me try that.
1622 [11:54:39] <TomTomTosch> the drive gets overwritten anyway.
1623 [11:54:40] <liveuser> thanks guys for your help.
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1625 [11:55:02] <Allen_Oaks> Hey i'm no expert, but i've
made a few bootable sticks in my day!
1626 [11:55:08] <TomTomTosch> good for you.
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1628 [11:56:10] <n4dir> s48899: the OS doesn't mount a stick
as root because the files on the stick are owned by root. Not sure
how exactly automounting handles it, but for me the stick is mounted
by whoever i mount it.
1629 [11:56:39] <Allen_Oaks> Yeah i do love GNU/LINUX
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1633 [11:58:59] <babilen> cp is faster than dd by default (as it
scales blocksize automatically)
1634 [11:59:35] <babilen> I also find "cp /path/to/debian.iso
/dev/sdX" to be easier to type than "dd
if=/path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/sdX"
1635 [11:59:57] <colo-work> babilen, does it? I was under the
impression that it just hard-codes to 32k?
1636 [12:00:18] <malacozoan> I always calc a max blocksize for dd,
and use the same to verify the on-device data back against image
checksum
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1638 [12:01:12] <malacozoan> debian .iso files are always a nice
round bs=1M
1639 [12:01:13] * malacozoan hugs
1640 [12:01:19] <grawity> hmm last time I tried cp it didn't
auto-scale
1641 [12:01:24] <grawity> pv might
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1643 [12:01:58] <grawity> malacozoan: there's always `head
-c` >_>
1644 [12:02:35] <malacozoan> grawity: yes! :)
1645 [12:02:53] <grawity> also `pv`
1646 [12:03:18] <babilen> colo-work: Ah, that seems to be the
case, even though it is not 32K anymore --
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1648 [12:03:49] <colo-work> babilen, interesting. thanks for
digging that up :)
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1650 [12:04:13] <missmbob> doesnt change the basic fact that what
he said was correct. "cp faster by default"
1651 [12:04:19] <malacozoan> Linux seems to do pretty well with
the default bs=512, *BSD always benefit from a larger BS though..
512 is plain painful on *BSD
1652 [12:04:20] <colo-work> yup
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1654 [12:04:33] <colo-work> 512 is painful _everywhere_
1655 [12:04:37] <malacozoan> lol true
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1661 [12:05:41] <liveuser> no. Secure Boot is not enabled on my
laptop.
1662 [12:06:05] <missmbob> liveuser: you really need to give us
the exact cp command you're using
1663 [12:06:54] <liveuser> ok. I am logged in Korora live boot
now. Will log out and come back again.
1664 [12:07:27] <liveuser> But, strangely Korora live usb
doesn't have any problem in booting.
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1669 [12:08:00] <missmbob> two fucks could not be given
1670 [12:08:09] <liveuser> I have a new laptop. Asus X540L.
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1672 [12:08:35] <missmbob> i'm not going to be able to ever
get you to paste the exact cp line you used to create the debian
usb, am i?
1673 [12:08:42] <babilen> colo-work: I'm glad you mentioned
it .. haven't read the source before and must have picked it up
somewhere.
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1675 [12:08:48] <EtherHub> Hi. I am wondering, does anyone still
make ethernet hubs?
1676 [12:09:22] <liveuser> missmbob, let me just log out. Will be
back later.
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1681 [12:10:17] <babilen> colo-work:
replaced-url
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1684 [12:11:05] <colo-work> indeed
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1689 [12:13:58] <Night_Elf> Hello all. I am needing a tftp server
so I can backup the ios images of a couple of routers and a few
switches, cisco brand. I see there are several options: atftpd,
tftpd, tftpd-hpa. Which of these would you recommend?
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1699 [12:17:28] <xXEoflaOEXx> Night_Elf, atftpd
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1701 [12:18:40] <Night_Elf> xXEoflaOEXx: ok thanks. I will get
that.
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1703 [12:18:59] <xXEoflaOEXx> Night_Elf, You are welcome!
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1718 [12:24:57] <Allen_Oaks> GNU/LINUX rulez.
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1722 [12:28:11] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE
CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS
ARE COMING!!!!
1723 [12:28:13] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE
CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS
ARE COMING!!!!
1724 [12:28:16] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE
CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS
ARE COMING!!!!
1725 [12:28:16] <Allen_Oaks> lol
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1727 [12:28:23] <Allen_Oaks> cmon man you gotta love everybody
1728 [12:28:24] <TheCanadiansSuck> hi
1729 [12:28:29] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am not a canadian
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1731 [12:28:36] <TheCanadiansSuck> the canadians suck
1732 [12:28:37] <Allen_Oaks> this channel is for happy debian
people
1733 [12:28:40] <TheCanadiansSuck> they are too polite
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1736 [12:28:47] <Allen_Oaks> we are all people.
1737 [12:28:49] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am happy because i am not a
canadian
1738 [12:28:54] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am a russian hacker
1739 [12:28:56] <Allen_Oaks> I like canadian.
1740 [12:29:01] <Allen_Oaks> i like russians
1741 [12:29:01] <TheCanadiansSuck> i hacked clintons emails
1742 [12:29:05] <TheCanadiansSuck> to elect trump
1743 [12:29:09] <TheCanadiansSuck> to destroy canada
1744 [12:29:17] <Allen_Oaks> did someone hurt you?
1745 [12:29:18] <TheCanadiansSuck> because trump is going to make
canada suck dicks again!
1746 [12:29:22] <TheCanadiansSuck> Allen_Oaks: no
1747 [12:29:31] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am a bit of a cokehead
1748 [12:29:35] <TheCanadiansSuck> but no big deal
1749 [12:29:39] <TheCanadiansSuck> it helps me think clearly
1750 [12:29:46] <Allen_Oaks> to expensive man.
1751 [12:29:47] <TheCanadiansSuck> i was the first person to
realize it
1752 [12:29:59] <TheCanadiansSuck> but canada is our greatest
threat to national security
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1755 [12:30:16] <TheCanadiansSuck> they are right now as we speak,
plotting to smuggle sorcerers into the USA and twenty other nations
1756 [12:30:19] <Allen_Oaks> Do you live in Big Beautiful U.S.A?
1757 [12:30:32] <TheCanadiansSuck> yes for the moment but i
originate in the uk
1758 [12:30:35] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am agent 007
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1760 [12:30:48] <TheCanadiansSuck> and i need to tap canadian
ethernet lines to find the rest of their plan
1761 [12:30:50] <TheCanadiansSuck> so,
1762 [12:30:51] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
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1764 [12:31:12] <Allen_Oaks> Welcome to the greatest country on
the planet.
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1766 [12:31:17] <TheCanadiansSuck> Hi. I am wondering, does anyone
still make ethernet hubs?
1767 [12:31:26] <TheCanadiansSuck> i need them to tap lines
1768 [12:31:31] <TheCanadiansSuck> and spy on the evil canadians
1769 [12:31:34] <Allen_Oaks> lol
1770 [12:31:36] <TheCanadiansSuck> because i am agent 007
1771 [12:31:46] <Allen_Oaks> A Canadian really must have done a
number on you.
1772 [12:31:51] <TheCanadiansSuck> mi6 pays well
1773 [12:31:55] <TheCanadiansSuck> that is how i afford the coke
1774 [12:32:01] <TheCanadiansSuck> Allen_Oaks: no
1775 [12:32:14] <TheCanadiansSuck> i beat the shit out of a
thousand canadians, with my finger
1776 [12:32:16] <TheCanadiansSuck> they are weak
1777 [12:32:17] <Allen_Oaks> Coke is too expensive, what a waste!
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1779 [12:32:28] <TheCanadiansSuck> i threw a piece of popcorn at a
canadian once
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1781 [12:32:35] <TheCanadiansSuck> they ran away screaming like a
girl
1782 [12:32:38] <Allen_Oaks> Is there a certain Canadian in this
room that you need to have a little talk with?
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1784 [12:32:42] <TheCanadiansSuck> fattest canadian I've ever
seen.
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1786 [12:32:53] <TheCanadiansSuck> came back to eat it when they
though i left
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1788 [12:33:09] <TheCanadiansSuck> Allen_Oaks: nope
1789 [12:33:09] <Allen_Oaks> You need love man
1790 [12:33:10] <TheCanadiansSuck> wait
1791 [12:33:17] <TheCanadiansSuck> THERES CANADIANS HERE?!?!?!?!
1792 [12:33:21] <TheCanadiansSuck> WHO???
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1794 [12:33:23] <Allen_Oaks> Yeah..
1795 [12:33:25] <TheCanadiansSuck> GET THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1796 [12:33:28] <Allen_Oaks> I wasn't going to tell you.
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1798 [12:33:36] <Allen_Oaks> But now i'm afraid i have no
choice...
1799 [12:33:40] <TheCanadiansSuck> !ops Allen_Oaks is a canadian
nazi
1800 [12:33:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: thecanadianssuck
complains about: Allen_Oaks is a canadian nazi
1801 [12:33:47] <Allen_Oaks> I'M CANADIAN MOTHER FUCKER!
1802 [12:33:55] <TheCanadiansSuck> lol no ur not
1803 [12:34:02] <TheCanadiansSuck> canadians dont know how to
swear
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1805 [12:34:15] <Allen_Oaks> *HOCKEY STICK TOO THE FACE* ... Sup
now f00l?
1806 [12:34:18] <Aimmy> Hello guys. Wich VM do you prefer between
virtualbox and gnome boxes? I can see there is some extra futures in
gnome boxes where I can shut off integration between my "high
tech" mouse and the VM? Does that make gnome boxes safer or
does it just mean that virtualbox does not have any connection at
all with my mouse?
1807 [12:34:30] <Allen_Oaks> virtualbox
1808 [12:34:43] <TheCanadiansSuck> Aimmy: you are interrupting our
lovely discussion of canadians. but yeah virtualbox is the shit
1809 [12:34:50] <TheCanadiansSuck> lots of awesomeness there
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1812 [12:35:01] <Allen_Oaks> is it a usb mouse?
1813 [12:35:11] <TheCanadiansSuck> usb pass thru time!
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1816 [12:35:43] <Aimmy> Sorry to interrupt. Ye I like virtualbox
too, but I don't like that I can't control the
comunication between my usb and vm.
1817 [12:36:02] <Aimmy> yes usb mouse
1818 [12:36:20] <Allen_Oaks> you can in settings menu.
1819 [12:36:40] <TheCanadiansSuck> im bored here. you are all
boring. i shall troll ##politics
1820 [12:36:45] <Aimmy> Does that mean that the comunication
between them is off as standard?
1821 [12:37:15] <Aimmy> I mean, I can't even choose the mouse
in usb settings.
1822 [12:37:26] <Allen_Oaks> Oh
1823 [12:37:30] <Allen_Oaks> what OS are you on?
1824 [12:37:33] <Aimmy> Debian
1825 [12:37:36] <Aimmy> jessie
1826 [12:37:49] <Allen_Oaks> Well, in ubuntu you have to add
youself to vboxusers group
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1831 [12:39:40] <Allen_Oaks> Try to add a usb device in your usb
settings menu
1832 [12:39:44] <Allen_Oaks> enable USB 2.0
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1836 [12:40:01] <Aimmy> invalid settings usb 2.0 and no devices
avaliable
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1839 [12:40:52] <Allen_Oaks> there's a problem!
1840 [12:41:03] <Allen_Oaks> I've ran into this with ubuntu,
but not debian i'm afraid
1841 [12:41:15] <Allen_Oaks> What version of virtualbox?
1842 [12:41:19] <Allen_Oaks> 5.1?
1843 [12:41:42] <Aimmy> 4.3.36, the one in synaptic
1844 [12:41:45] <Aimmy> hmm
1845 [12:41:46] <Aimmy> well
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1847 [12:41:51] <missmbob> in virtualbox you go to
vm->settings->system->pointing device
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1849 [12:42:36] <missmbob> Aimmy: and that's awful. get 5.1.8
from jessie-backports
1850 [12:42:48] <Allen_Oaks> Add virtualbox repo!
1851 [12:42:53] <Aimmy> xD why isn't the newest version in
synatpic?
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1853 [12:43:08] <Allen_Oaks> I'd use the updated version if i
were you!
1854 [12:43:15] <missmbob> Aimmy: jessie-backports has to be
manually set up in your sources.list
1855 [12:43:29] <missmbob> Aimmy:
replaced-url
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1857 [12:43:48] <Allen_Oaks> Your going to need
virtualbox-extension pack if you want to use external USB devices.
1858 [12:44:03] <Aimmy> it's only one line to add in the
sources list?
1859 [12:44:09] <missmbob> Aimmy: yes
1860 [12:44:16] <Aimmy> THat's the thing, I don't want
to use usb devies
1861 [12:44:27] <missmbob> Aimmy: make sure you add contrib
non-free there too.
1862 [12:44:31] <Aimmy> my goal is to make sure there is no
connection between my usb devies and vm
1863 [12:44:37] <Allen_Oaks> Then your set!
1864 [12:44:38] <Aimmy> aight, thanks missmbob
1865 [12:44:48] <Allen_Oaks> If no devices pop up, then your
golden buddy!
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1869 [12:45:22] <Aimmy> yes I think my answer got answer'd.
Thank you guys.
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1871 [12:46:06] <Allen_Oaks> PEACE and thank you for using
choosing GNU/LINUX
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1873 [12:47:24] <Allen_Oaks> GNU/LINUX rulez.
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1956 [13:33:38] <merlac> i'm looking for podcasts & talks
of educative but entertaining nature revolving around Linux, ITSec
and stuff like that. any recommendations? feel free to whisper.
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1963 [13:39:22] <ee2455> merlac: jupiterbroadcasting.com has a few
shows that might interest you. Take a look at "Linux Action
Show" and "TechSnap" in particular.
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2020 [14:04:45] <temp-wifirepeate> i have an old Pentium II
laptop, 128MB RAM which has 2 pcmcia wireless cards (ath9k and
rtl8187). i want to use that laptop as a temporary GNU/Linux
wireless repeater. can anyone recommend me something as newbie
friendly as (the sadly abandoned) quicktables to do so???
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2022 [14:07:08] <JohnTitor> use hostapd + iptables, if youre lucky
you can use bridge mode with your wireless nics, if not that's
fine too
2023 [14:07:49] <JohnTitor> s/if not/ if you can't
2024 [14:07:58] <missmbob> i think the point is he doesnt want to
touch iptables for whatever silly reason
2025 [14:08:07] <missmbob> try gufw
2026 [14:08:35] <JohnTitor> ah the quicktables bit?
2027 [14:08:37] <JohnTitor> ugh
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2035 [14:12:10] <rindolf> Hi all! What does «B-D changes are
not reflected in d/changelog.» mean?
2036 [14:12:41] <JohnTitor> missmbob: gufw requires a xorg im not
sure if one want to have a wm/de in a pentium2 with 128MB of ram,
there's a ufw too never tried those things though
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2039 [14:13:29] <missmbob> JohnTitor: yeah, so dont use the
graphical one
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2041 [14:14:06] <missmbob> you'd be doing yourself a favor if
you read a good ebtables tutorial though
2042 [14:14:28] <JohnTitor> me?
2043 [14:14:52] <missmbob> no :P
2044 [14:14:55] <JohnTitor> hehe
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2048 [14:16:59] <temp-wifirepeate> not me either. iptables is not
newbie friendly. the sadly abandoned and unspoorted quicktables is.
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2050 [14:17:35] <JohnTitor> what's sad is not being able to
do 2 iptables commands
2051 [14:17:50] <temp-wifirepeate> just two??
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2053 [14:18:17] <JohnTitor> well maybe only one
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2055 [14:19:24] <missmbob> ebtables will own your quicktables ass
2056 [14:19:28] <JohnTitor> temp-wifirepeate:
replaced-url
2057 [14:19:29] <missmbob> :P
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2059 [14:19:56] <JohnTitor> missmbob: not all the wireless nics
support bridge mode
2060 [14:20:04] <abrotman> ?
2061 [14:20:06] <mosasaur> maybe badvpn
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2063 [14:21:38] <JohnTitor> abrotman: ? to whom? :D
2064 [14:21:38] <CrazyTux> hello, do I need to use sudo to be able
to use cp?
2065 [14:21:52] <CrazyTux> cp to create a live usb.
2066 [14:22:00] <JohnTitor> CrazyTux: yes
2067 [14:22:01] <temp-wifirepeate> JohnTitor, that is not what i
asked for. i asked for a ready made *script* like quicktables that
does the job.
2068 [14:22:11] <JohnTitor> temp-wifirepeate: no idea sorry
2069 [14:22:19] <temp-wifirepeate> ok, no prob
2070 [14:22:33] <missmbob> CrazyTux: why do you keep asking the
same question over and over again?
2071 [14:22:37] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: ufw? or text only?
2072 [14:22:51] <abrotman> missmbob: have you met CrazyTux ?
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2074 [14:23:06] <JohnTitor> he wants a ./create_ap_magically.sh
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2080 [14:24:10] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, with 128MB I can not
have Gnome, so a console based solution will be.
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2082 [14:24:31] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: you can use it on
another box, move the rules over. Otherwise, I'd suggest vi
2083 [14:25:10] <temp-wifirepeate> use what? vi?
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2085 [14:25:48] <abrotman> also, ufw doesn't require Gnome
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2089 [14:27:42] <abrotman> judd: depends ufw
2090 [14:27:43] <judd> Package ufw in jessie/amd64 -- depends:
debconf, iptables, ucf, python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~), python3,
debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0.
2091 [14:27:49] <abrotman> I see nothing related to Gnome
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2094 [14:29:31] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, with 128MB RAM I can
not use a graphical user environment, the Pentium II would be dead
slow
2095 [14:29:44] <abrotman> I'm not sure why you think you
need a GUI .. please see above
2096 [14:29:45] <CrazyTux> Desktop$ sudo cp
debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso /dev/sdb1
2097 [14:29:53] <abrotman> wrong
2098 [14:29:54] <missmbob> CrazyTux: no
2099 [14:29:58] <JohnTitor> CrazyTux: youre doing it r0ng
2100 [14:30:06] <missmbob> CrazyTux: i told you. sdb NOT sdb1
2101 [14:30:10] <CrazyTux> missmbob, please correct me.
2102 [14:30:11] <JohnTitor> ._.
2103 [14:30:16] <CrazyTux> ok
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2105 [14:30:39] <missmbob> remember to sync after
2106 [14:30:42] <CrazyTux> only that part is wrong?
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2108 [14:31:06] <niko> :10
2109 [14:31:10] <CrazyTux> you mean I need to type sudo sync after
this?
2110 [14:31:18] <JohnTitor> just sync
2111 [14:31:44] <abrotman> you know, like the instructions tell
you ..
2112 [14:31:47] <CrazyTux> ok. after the first command is
executed?
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2114 [14:32:01] <JohnTitor> ok I want my spoon: sudo cp
debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso /dev/sdb &&
sync
2115 [14:32:23] <CrazyTux> ok. Just a beginner here.
2116 [14:32:46] <missmbob> CrazyTux: is this to install debian
with or do you just really need a live image?
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2118 [14:33:21] <CrazyTux> I need to install Debian on my new
laptop.
2119 [14:33:31] <missmbob> so dont use the live iso
2120 [14:33:44] <CrazyTux> struggling to create a live usb.
2121 [14:33:54] <CrazyTux> then, what is the other option?
2122 [14:33:55] <missmbob> stop calling it live
2123 [14:33:58] <abrotman> why would you install from the liveCD?
That's the wrong way to do that
2124 [14:34:07] <abrotman> dpkg: tell CrazyTux about ig
2125 [14:34:19] <CrazyTux> I did the same thing with other
distros.
2126 [14:34:39] <n4dir> temp-wifirepeate: with 128 Ram and a
Pentium 2 you can start a window mananger and ufw (or, iirc, you can
also only start ufw without window-manager). Not speedy, but should
work
2127 [14:34:42] <missmbob> CrazyTux: that doesnt mean it's
the way you should do it with debian
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2129 [14:35:01] <CrazyTux> ok.
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2131 [14:35:30] <missmbob> debian live kind of sucks for
installing. it has various bugs, including total lack of uefi
support
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2134 [14:35:54] <missmbob> that's why we use the installer
for installing and live for live
2135 [14:36:00] <CrazyTux> ok. that is what I thought.
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2137 [14:36:13] <missmbob> so why did you download the live iso?
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2141 [14:36:31] <CrazyTux> ok. But, if I want a live usb, the
above method is correct?
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2144 [14:37:05] <missmbob> i dont think you understand what that
means. you said it was for installing debian
2145 [14:37:23] <CrazyTux> I will have to install Debian from a
pendrive offline.
2146 [14:37:42] <missmbob> right. that's not live. dont use
the live iso for that
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2150 [14:37:52] <CrazyTux> Sometimes, there is going to be
connection issues with the internet.
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2152 [14:37:55] <missmbob> use the installer iso. the one without
"live" in the filename
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2154 [14:38:04] <CrazyTux> ok/
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2158 [14:38:29] <CrazyTux> what is live exactly? what is it used
for?
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2161 [14:39:01] <missmbob> testing environments without touching
the HD basically
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2163 [14:39:26] <missmbob> makes for a very stupid installer
platform sometimes
2164 [14:39:46] <CrazyTux> ok. I needed that also.
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2167 [14:40:16] <missmbob> i hate my life so much right now
2168 [14:40:24] <MarcoNL> I'm using debian preseed. And now
I'm getting an error partman-auto-raid: Error: No recipe
specified in partman-auto-raid/recipe.
2169 [14:40:39] <CrazyTux> But, now that live usb is created, I
think. Will download the installer image now. Sorry for bothering
you this much.
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2171 [14:40:51] <MarcoNL> But in my config is this line: d-i
partman-auto-raid/recipe string
2172 [14:40:59] <MarcoNL> that should be enough right?
2173 [14:42:06] <CrazyTux> missmbob, thank you so much for that
info and for helping me. Will go through that link and download the
iso. See you later.
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2177 [14:42:47] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, i do not want a gui.
i want something as newbie friendly as the sadly abandoned
quicktables
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2182 [14:43:32] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: READ THE DEPENDENCIES
..
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2201 [14:49:18] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, sorry, what
dependencies?
2202 [14:49:30] <mosasaur> temp-wifirepeate: maybe this one could
work too
replaced-url
2203 [14:49:32] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: Sorry, you can't
be helped if you can't bother to read.
2204 [14:49:48] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: ufw is NOT gufw. ufw
does not require Gnome or Xorg
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2207 [14:50:49] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, thank you. i will
read about ufw
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2209 [14:51:01] <abrotman> otherwise, learn to write the rules you
need from scratch using vi, that's really the better way to
learn anyway
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2214 [14:51:34] <missmbob> ease into it. nano :P
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2217 [14:52:22] <abrotman> Use joe for all I care .. the point is
still $EDITOR
2218 [14:52:32] <tomcres> !start editor war
2219 [14:52:51] <abrotman> dpkg: start an editor war
2220 [14:52:51] <dpkg> ae doesn't deserve to be in BSD.
2221 [14:52:52] <n4dir> hurray !
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2223 [14:53:11] <missmbob> it was another case of me failing to be
funny is all
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2235 [14:57:46] <temp-wifirepeate> ufw is a firewall which is OK
but not a ready made script like the sadly abandoned and systemd
incompatible quicktables
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2237 [14:58:19] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: feel free to adopt
quicktables, then your life will be complete
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2239 [14:59:04] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, i am not a
programmer. i am just a newbie
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2254 [15:05:21] <Aimmy> So, guys, let's talk about security.
I have this high tech usb mouse and since it actually contains alot
of functions there should be alot of stuff inside it. Does that mean
this could be a security breach?
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2256 [15:06:47] <temp-wifirepeate> it is so hard to believe that
there not something as newbie friendly as quicktables which was
sadly abandoned in 2003
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2258 [15:06:55] <somiaj> In theory there could be hidden stuff in
the mouse, but if it uses the standard usb hid drivers, doubt any of
those hidden things would be able to work in linux, now if you
installed a custom driver to get those special features to
work....welll....
2259 [15:07:29] <Aimmy> somiaj: ty for answer. how do I know if it
uses standard usb hid drivers? this is default?
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2261 [15:07:33] <Aimmy> No extra drivers ofc
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2263 [15:07:51] <Shadur> Technically, yes, but at best without a
vulnerability in the HID subsystem the best it could do would be to
snoop USB traffic from your mouse to its hub.
2264 [15:07:52] <somiaj> Aimmy: in linux almost all drivers are
open and in the kernel so they can be looked at. but after you plug
it in type dmesg and see what the kernel tells you
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2266 [15:08:04] <abrotman> in 2003 ...
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2268 [15:08:21] <somiaj> so if tehre was something hiding in the
linux kernel, it is open for others to look at, which makes it a
little harder to sneak something in
2269 [15:08:48] <Shadur> If you plug the mouse in and dmesg says
it's detected two new USB devices, that'd be your cue to
get suspicious.
2270 [15:08:50] <temp-wifirepeate> 2003 was a good year compared
to 2016
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2272 [15:09:54] <p0g0> hmm, mice don't offer keystrokes,
right, just mickies of motion?
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2274 [15:10:10] <Shadur> p0g0: Motion events and button presses.
2275 [15:10:32] <somiaj> you could bind those to fake keypress
events, though many apps don't like fake events.
2276 [15:10:33] <Aimmy> when i write dmsg i get alot of stuff
2277 [15:10:34] <p0g0> The macro capable keyboards certainly could
have an eeprom full of strings tho.
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2279 [15:10:53] <somiaj> Aimmy: oh yea, all your kernel info is
there, when you plug it in, only the last few lines are important
for that device.
2280 [15:10:55] <Aimmy> Can I limit the command to something so I
only see external attached items?
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2282 [15:11:04] <Aimmy> aha
2283 [15:11:16] <temp-wifirepeate> people say that things in
GNU/Linux are much easier nowadays but that does not apply to newbie
friendly alternatives to quicktables.
2284 [15:11:16] <somiaj> Aimmy: dmesg | tail works if you just
plug it in, if it was pluged in during boot you need to look
trhought he whole thing
2285 [15:11:16] <rmrfchik> I'm in big trouble. I missed the
device and did "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdg", sda is
mounted root (ext3) and sdb is mounted ext4. 60MB were transferred
as I CTRL-C dd.
2286 [15:11:17] <Shadur> But yes, if you don't trust your
input device manufacturer I recommend getting a different input
device manufacturer.
2287 [15:11:18] <n4dir> unplug, plug back in: dmesg | tail
2288 [15:11:38] <rmrfchik> Any ideas how to restore unaffected
files?
2289 [15:11:57] <somiaj> rmrfchik: hopefully there wasn't
anytihg on /dev/sdg you don't have a backup of.
2290 [15:11:58] <missmbob> no you're pretty fucked
2291 [15:12:16] <Aimmy> hmm, there seems to be alot of info about
my mouse here
2292 [15:12:20] <p0g0> rmrfchik: you used of=/dev/sdg... did you
mean /dev/sdb?
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2294 [15:12:31] <rmrfchik> somiaj: all that really matters is in
git
2295 [15:12:34] <Shadur> There are some forensics tools that might
be able to recover your stuff, but most of those are used by law
enforcement.
2296 [15:12:40] <Aimmy> it says name of my mouse and like a serial
number lol
2297 [15:12:46] <somiaj> rmrfchik: there is software you can scan
a drive sector by sector and try to recover files from, but this is
hit and miss, and anything in the start of the drive you overwrote
is gone.
2298 [15:12:49] <rmrfchik> somiaj: but there some files I want to
restore
2299 [15:12:52] <MarcoNL> Is it possible to install grub on a raid
1 for debian jessie?
2300 [15:13:02] <p0g0> rmrfchik: but whatever destination output
(the of=) got a bunch of data dumped on it, so it is likely FUBAR.
2301 [15:13:06] <somiaj> rmrfchik: I don't know the name of
such software.
2302 [15:13:12] <rmrfchik> p0g0: I wanted sdb and wrote sdg
2303 [15:13:20] <rmrfchik> sdg is actual old drive
2304 [15:13:33] <p0g0> rmrfchik: and there was a /dev/sdg?
2305 [15:13:39] <p0g0> ahh
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2313 [15:14:17] <n4dir> rmrfchik: i think testdisk does such.
2314 [15:14:21] <p0g0> that one is likely beaten. You can look up
'forensic toolkits', they are out there, some are free...
likely not going to help tho.
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2317 [15:15:07] <Aimmy> ok guys, back to my mouse. This should be
no problem if I run something in a VM that doesn't have the usb
features on?
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2319 [15:15:14] <p0g0> it is probably too soon to bring up the
virtue of backups...
2320 [15:15:33] <somiaj> Aimmy: I personally wouldn't worry
about a mouse being a security hole.
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2327 [15:20:08] <n4dir> !testdisk
2328 [15:20:08] <dpkg> TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk
recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first.
TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very
useful in recovering lost partitions.
replaced-url
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from a laptop system at logon. I have After=exim4.service but on
this Mate desktop, there's no such service. What would be good
to use instead?
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2393 [15:45:04] <temp-wifirepeate> i have to say that my wireless
network and the wireless repeater would have different names
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2412 [15:51:52] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hello. I'm using Dracut to
create a ZFS initrd on Stretch. I've configured
/etc/dracut.conf.d w/ add/omit modules and also "fstab=yes,
root=ZFS:rpool/ROOT/debian, zfs_force=1". Boot drops to busybox
however.
2413 [15:51:53] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Problems: 1) root= &
zfs_force do not work, seems to want boolean params (also not
accepted on command-line) 2) I don't think the tmpfs entries
(/run /dev, etc) get created as the fstab I prepared only point /
and /usr to respective z-datasets. I should include those but
I'm building from ext4 root & not sure chroot would solve
this.
2414 [15:51:53] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Any pointers on how to get this
done?
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2572 [17:08:10] <calbasi> Hi, I'm doing a basic Debian8
netinst to upgrade them to debian9. Until now I used to do one
simple partition, but I wonder if it could be better use LVM in my
new cloud server...
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2575 [17:09:37] <bolt> calbasi: why?
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2588 [17:13:41] <calbasi> For example, if later I add a new disk,
I think I could just add its space to the system using LVM,
don't I?
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2591 [17:13:56] <zprd> hi
2592 [17:14:13] <zprd> anyone using rst parser with moinmoin on
jessie?
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2594 [17:15:01] <zprd> the basic test does not seam to work (hello
*rst*) (python-docutils installed)
2595 [17:15:05] <calbasi> But I'm not sure if I can take
profit of it, and simple disk management is more robust...
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2605 [17:16:47] <n4dir> calbasi: if it was me i would first give
lvm a try on a testbox at home, in qemu, or any solution of that
kind. I for one don't care for it (many like it a lot,
obviously)
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2610 [17:17:12] <n4dir> i guess it is worth the trouble to learn
it (and i don't think it is really trouble)
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2612 [17:18:00] <n4dir> but don't count on me. wait for folks
who do know lvm (well) and can give you the hard facts.
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2619 [17:19:52] <calbasi> Thanks n4dir :-) I'm reading
"pros and cons" on the net... Reading about software raid
too...
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2622 [17:21:05] <n4dir> good luck
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2635 [17:26:38] <Mr_Ed> are there any apt/dpkg wizards here?
I'm trying to run apt (and therefore dkpg) against a subtree.
2636 [17:26:56] <Mr_Ed> Now ordinarily, I'd deboostrap (or
whatever) and then chroot
2637 [17:27:05] <Mr_Ed> however, I can't do it this time
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2639 [17:27:21] <Mr_Ed> This time I'm on x86, but my subtree
is ARM (Raspian as it happens)
2640 [17:27:38] <Mr_Ed> so if I chroot, I only have the ARM binary
which I can't execute.
2641 [17:27:50] <Mr_Ed> I've tried a few things which
don't work:
2642 [17:28:07] <Mr_Ed> Assume the subtree is in /mnt
2643 [17:28:13] <Mr_Ed> sudo apt-get -o Dir=/mnt/ update
2644 [17:28:16] <Mr_Ed> that doesn't really work.
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2646 [17:28:39] <Mr_Ed> Basically, I get errors saying it's
looking for amd64 packages (the host arch)
2647 [17:28:46] <dwarfmut> hi
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2649 [17:28:58] <Mr_Ed> If I add the additional options: -o
apt::architecture=armhf -o
DPkg::Options::='--admindir=/mnt/var/lib/dpkg'
2650 [17:29:06] <dwarfmut> exists some tool loke a fedora koji for
debian?:
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2652 [17:29:26] <Mr_Ed> then I can get it to do the update, but
trying to install anything gives heaps of dependency errors
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2654 [17:29:56] <Mr_Ed> strace shows that apt and dpkg are mostly
looking in the right directories, (there are some accesses to /var/,
not /mnt/var, but only for lock files I think)
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2657 [17:30:25] <Mr_Ed> So, I've kind of exhausted all
sources of documentation I can find. Can anyone point me in the
right direction here?
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2670 [17:36:11] <MrKeuner> hello, we have two identical clusters
of machines. One for prod and one for staging. What would you
suggest to make sure developers notice that they are on prod before
making any change?
2671 [17:36:42] <Mr_Ed> MrKeuner: set a big red warning in the
BASH prompt?
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2677 [17:38:03] <`Kevin> developers making direct changes on prod?
hm :P
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2686 [17:39:51] <teraflops> yeah big red thingy just like redhat
in the oldtimes when doing startx as root :P
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2703 [17:51:05] <MrKeuner> Mr_Ed, sure that is my default plan.
But thought I could do better than that. Scripts for instance
wouldn't care the red for instance...
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2706 [17:52:47] <MrKeuner> I was thinking something like a file
that needs to be in place /tmp/system_configurable for any
modifications to actually commit
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2709 [17:53:20] <TinyTux> Does Debian 8 have Kaby lake support? Or
do I need to install Stretch/RC1 ?
2710 [17:53:51] <Mr_Ed> MrKeuner: well, you can't really make
scripts notice unless you make them not run somehow.
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2715 [17:55:53] <jelly-home> TinyTux: who knows if even stretch is
going to have decent support, try it and see. jessie (debian 8) does
not have it by default, but backported newer kernel and video
drivers can be installed afterwards to improve things
2716 [17:56:09] <jelly-home> sigh
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2720 [17:56:39] <mapm> hello, how can I detect missing wifi
firmware in debian? no connection to the internet
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2727 [18:00:38] <cmyers> since doing an upgrade, my iwlwifi
isn't working - dmesg errors look like firmware problems. When
I boot with the old (4.2.0-1) kernel it works but it doesn't
with 4.8.0-2.
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2729 [18:00:44] <cmyers> one in experimental
2730 [18:00:50] <armin> --- ftp.de.debian.org ping statistics ---
2731 [18:00:51] <armin> 7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100%
packet loss, time 5999ms
2732 [18:01:01] <cmyers> should I start grabbing src and trying to
build this thing, or does anyone know anything else about this
problem already maybe? I've googled...
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2735 [18:01:08] <armin> wow, and ftp.de.debian.org STILL
doesn't even have an AAAA record
2736 [18:02:15] <armin> 296 packets transmitted, 31 received, 89%
packet loss, time 295041ms
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2738 [18:02:56] <cmyers>
replaced-url
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2749 [18:05:47] <cmyers> hmm, it can't find the old version -
are old packages archived somewhere?
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2753 [18:07:55] <babilen> dpkg: snapshot
2754 [18:07:55] <dpkg>
replaced-url
2755 [18:07:58] <babilen> cmyers: ^
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2757 [18:08:05] <cmyers> ooh, babilen - thanks!
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2766 [18:09:46] <Aimmy> hey guys. WHen I'm SSHing to my
router, and asks me for password, what password should I give it?
The password for admin user is wrong it says.
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2769 [18:11:10] <cmyers> ok, rebooting to test new kernel, here we
go =)
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2779 [18:13:11] <hassoon_> OA
2780 [18:13:14] <hassoon_> OA
2781 [18:13:16] <hassoon_> OA
2782 [18:13:19] <hassoon_> >zc
2783 [18:13:24] <hassoon_> >zc
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2813 [18:25:49] <bolt> Aimmy: how are we supposed to know? look in
the manual for your particular router
2814 [18:26:19] <bolt> Aimmy: also, don't assume that just
because you have the password for the web interface, that you have
one for ssh. or that there even is one for ssh. might be pubkey only
2815 [18:27:14] <cmyers> *sigh* no luck. pinning to the 20160824-1
version didn't help.
2816 [18:27:50] <cmyers> I probably have to do some day job stuff,
so I guess I am stuck running the old kernel for now
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2856 [18:45:23] <dwarfmut> guys... exists tool like a fedora koji
for debian?
2857 [18:45:24] <cmyers> ahah, I didn't revert far enough.
reverting to the 201601XX version fixed my problem
2858 [18:45:43] <cmyers> hooray, iwlwifi works with 4.8 kernel now
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2864 [18:47:08] <abd5932> Hi. The full freeze is scheduled for 5
Feb. How long does it usually take from full freeze till new
release? Thank you!
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2871 [18:51:18] <TomTomTosch> six months, possibly more.
2872 [18:51:51] <feliks> is it possible to use a keyfile to
decrypt luks containers from within grub?
2873 [18:52:44] <Aimmy> bolt: sry, I forgot to write I'm on
dd-wrt. but it's solved now. I was supposed to logg in with
root and not username on web interface
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2891 [18:59:57] <Achylles> I have setup opendns and some filters
on my account and applied opendns numbers on my router. But, it only
works on my two debian boxes laptops. The cellphones and windows
laptops of other people do not see opendns on the router. Can I find
help here or anywhere else...
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2913 [19:06:12] <abd5932> Achylles: you should check where those
non-working devices get their nameservers from... you should force
them to use the one provided by your router (it is possible in
dd-wrt).
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2928 [19:13:31] <_titan_> ola
2929 [19:14:11] <flvzsch50> aloha
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2965 [19:29:58] <DammitJim> is there a way to know if my server is
observing EDT even though we aren't in daylight savings time?
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2972 [19:30:57] <DammitJim> /etc/timezone says: America/New York
2973 [19:31:09] <DammitJim> something tells me this is automatic
for the timezone I picked, but can you guys confirm?
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2984 [19:34:11] <zykotick9> DammitJim: the D in EDT stands for
Daylight.
2985 [19:34:28] <DammitJim> zykotick9, LOL
2986 [19:35:11] <DammitJim> correct me if I'm wrong, but
since at this time we are not in daylight savings time, we
wouldn't read EDT on a server
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2988 [19:36:06] <DammitJim> so, my servers right now say: Mon Jan
23 13:36:15 EST 2017
2989 [19:36:14] <DammitJim> make sense?
2990 [19:36:27] <zykotick9> DammitJim: fyi, it actually
"daylight saving time" no s on savings... doesn't
"sound" right but that's engligh for ya
2991 [19:36:58] <SpeccyMan> sounds perfectly correct to an
Englishman
2992 [19:37:01] <DammitJim> ok, daylight saving time. I stand
corrected
2993 [19:37:02] <zykotick9> DammitJim: as does mine....
2994 [19:37:11] <DammitJim> so, can you guys help me?
2995 [19:37:41] <zykotick9> DammitJim: help you with what? seems
it's working as designed?
2996 [19:38:01] <DammitJim> that's my question... how is it
designed to work?
2997 [19:38:08] <DammitJim> if I set my timezone to America/New
York
2998 [19:38:27] <DammitJim> does that mean that summer comes
around, that the `date` will automatically change to EDT?
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3000 [19:39:01] <DammitJim> I've been asked if our servers
are configured to observe EDT
3001 [19:39:42] <DammitJim> SpeccyMan, is that how it works?
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3003 [19:40:17] <SpeccyMan> we don't actually call it that
here
3004 [19:40:27] <DammitJim> oh, what do you call it?
3005 [19:40:45] <SpeccyMan> when our clock goes forwards 1 hour we
call it British Summer Time
3006 [19:40:52] <DammitJim> LOL
3007 [19:40:59] <SpeccyMan> or GMT+1
3008 [19:41:15] <DammitJim> understood
3009 [19:41:21] <SpeccyMan> it could be cos we are obsessed with
the weather here ;-)
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3012 [19:41:44] <DammitJim> but does Debian automatically change
to BST?
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3015 [19:42:13] <SpeccyMan> no idea I am a linux mint user and
that changes at the proper time
3016 [19:42:23] <DammitJim> cool
3017 [19:42:29] <DammitJim> so, there is no special setting you do
3018 [19:42:30] <DammitJim> thank you
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3020 [19:42:49] <SpeccyMan> not that i know of, it just seems to
happen
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3025 [19:44:04] <SpeccyMan> right now my clock is set to GMT which
is normal for winter and in the spring it will switch to BST on the
last Sunday in March at 1:00AM
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3031 [19:47:44] <zykotick9> DammitJim: i can't find any info
to state EST will automatically change to EDT when approriate :(
but, from my personal experience - it will! first note on
replaced-url
3032 [19:47:59] <DammitJim> thank you zykotick9
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3034 [19:48:11] <DammitJim> I definitely appreciate that
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3050 [19:53:46] <SynrG> zykotick9, DammitJim: apt-cache show
tzdata | grep ^Homepage: points at
replaced-url
3051 [19:53:52] <SynrG> daylight-saving rules."
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3054 [19:54:17] <SynrG> that's as close as it comes to saying
"yes, the timezones in Debian are daylight-savings aware"
3055 [19:54:23] <DammitJim> awesome!
3056 [19:54:29] <zykotick9> SynrG: thanks.
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3060 [19:56:33] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3069 [20:00:08] <Aimmy> This encryption we got when we start
debian.. is this unbreakable?
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3084 [20:05:59] <missmbob> for the most part. debian doesnt
encrypt /boot by default so if they have access to it they could
swap out the kernel without you knowing about it and then you
basically break it yourself. but if you mean someone just stole your
laptop then yeah, they're not going to view your data
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3087 [20:06:32] <missmbob> or if you mean "the fbi just took
my laptop" you should be okay
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3091 [20:07:18] <malacozoan> Aimmy: Basically, Bruce Willis,
Samuel L. Jackson, and M. Night Shyamalan couldn't break it..
pretty Unbreakable.
3092 [20:07:26] * malacozoan gets his coat
3093 [20:07:29] <SynrG> except for the exploits against it that
the fbi are keeping under wraps so they can continue to wiretap you
...
3094 [20:07:43] * SynrG says, tongue-in-cheek, with tinfoil hat on
3095 [20:07:51] * malacozoan hands out some OpenBSD softraid full disk
crypto
3096 [20:07:59] * malacozoan gets his other coat
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3111 [20:12:39] <malacozoan> Someone just asked SLJ if it was
*really* unbreakable..
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3116 [20:14:33] <missmbob> it's offtopic as well but
you've got to hand it to him for being a basic nerd. buzzfeed
needs to make that video
3117 [20:14:57] <dwarfmut> somebody use mini-buildd?
3118 [20:15:44] <malacozoan> lol yes! I'll shutup now sorry
;)
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3158 [20:32:52] <Slashman> hello, I have a server on a public
cloud with a public IPv4 address, a default route and whatever, my
provider gave me an other public IPv4 address, but with a /32 mask,
like 195.77.8.47/32, when I assign this IP address to the interface
of the server, it works fine, but I need to assign this IP to a VM
that has bridged networking, I'm not sure how to configure the
interface of the VM to route correctly to the net... any idea?
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3161 [20:33:56] <Slashman> (the bridge has the physical interface
of the host as member, the bridge has the public IP of the host)
3162 [20:34:08] <grawity> if it's L2 bridged, there
shouldn't be any difference
3163 [20:34:14] <grawity> althouuugh....
3164 [20:34:23] <grawity> not sure how the provider routes the IP
address to you
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3167 [20:36:10] <Slashman> I guess they have a route to the
"main IP"
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3169 [20:36:34] <Slashman> my problem is the routing table on the
VM, I have no clue what gateway to give or whatever from a single
/32 IP
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3197 [20:49:48] <fgrepper> Hi there, im learning about tcpdump and
was wondering if anyone could help me interpret the outputs
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3199 [20:50:41] <fgrepper> im capturing an nmap -ST scan...is
sackOK flag the initial SYN that i might see in wireshark?
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3205 [20:52:04] <missmbob> fgrepper: try ##networking
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3211 [20:56:46] <stew> fgrepper: no, sackOk is an option
"selective ack", SYN is a control bit which would still be
called SYN by tcpdump
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3217 [20:59:09] <feliks> is there a way to check whether a hook
script has been added to initramfs?
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3223 [21:00:06] <feliks> i created the script
`/etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot` but when i run `mkinitramfs
-vo /tmp/test` it tells me:
3224 [21:00:08] <feliks> Calling hook cryptroot
3225 [21:00:10] <feliks> cryptsetup: WARNING: target sda1_crypt
uses a key file, skipped
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3229 [21:01:31] <feliks> cryptroot script looks like this:
replaced-url
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3232 [21:02:52] <feliks> but when i try booting via grub/initramfs
i get the error: `cryptsetup: error - script
"/bin/loadkey" missing`
3233 [21:03:09] <feliks> so it seems to me that the script is
never included into initramfs?
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3241 [21:04:40] <missmbob> the script is specifically calling for
/bin/loadkey
3242 [21:05:00] <feliks> yes
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3244 [21:05:18] <foreal> can somone help me with opening a port
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3250 [21:05:46] <missmbob> foreal: debian doesnt close any by
default
3251 [21:05:51] <foreal> i tryed opening with iptables i have
debian 8 but none of the ports i open
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3253 [21:06:00] <foreal> work
3254 [21:06:02] <teraflops> foreal: unless youre using a firewall
you dont open ports, you put stuff listening on ports
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3256 [21:06:08] <feliks> missmbob: because i use
`GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="...
cryptopts=keyscript=/bin/loadkey,..."` in the file
`/etc/default/grub`
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3258 [21:06:20] <foreal> so how would i do it
3259 [21:06:37] <missmbob> foreal: you're not understanding.
we're saying it's open.
3260 [21:06:44] <teraflops> foreal: explain your issue with more
detail
3261 [21:06:50] <foreal> but when i try a port scan its closed
3262 [21:06:56] <foreal> ok
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3265 [21:07:41] <foreal> basically im trying to use certbot and it
needs the port 443 open i tryed opening with iptables and even
turned off firewall and still wont open aqny ports only a couple are
open
3266 [21:08:18] <missmbob> certbot is expecting apache to be
running and configured to use port 443. that's not
debian's default
3267 [21:08:19] <feliks> foreal: does certbot run?
3268 [21:08:19] <teraflops> foreal: are you behind nat?
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3270 [21:08:49] <foreal> if i use ./certbot-auto certonly .... it
works
3271 [21:09:02] <teraflops> missmbob: well it depends on how you
run certbot
3272 [21:09:06] <foreal> but when i try to add the domain it
doesnt except it
3273 [21:09:14] <foreal> says this
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3275 [21:09:31] <foreal> Failed to connect to *****:443 for
TLS-SNI-01
3276 [21:09:31] <foreal> challenge
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3278 [21:09:52] <foreal> sorry im not that good with explainijng
shit
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3281 [21:10:17] <foreal> but basically its the port that isnt open
thats blocking it
3282 [21:10:28] <foreal> i pointed the domain
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3284 [21:10:34] <foreal> with the a record
3285 [21:10:43] <foreal> and thats working fine
3286 [21:10:47] <fgrepper> @stew
replaced-url
3287 [21:10:48] <feliks> foreal: is the server (that you try to
reach on port 443) behind a firewall?
3288 [21:10:50] <teraflops> foreal: from where?
3289 [21:10:52] <missmbob> it's not though.
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3292 [21:11:56] <foreal> how do i do tcpdump on debian whats the
command
3293 [21:12:11] <foreal> sorry sorta new
3294 [21:12:18] <jelly-home> foreal: it's... tcpdump,
amazingly
3295 [21:12:21] <somiaj> foreal: tcpdump should exist, you may
just have to install the package.
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3297 [21:12:33] <feliks> missmbob: can you help me any further
with my problem?
3298 [21:12:36] <_rubik> foreal: Try running it with sudo.
3299 [21:12:49] <fgrepper> tcpdump -n -i <ifname> -w
3300 [21:12:52] <foreal> had to install it sec
3301 [21:12:59] <jelly-home> who's sec
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3303 [21:13:02] <somiaj> the tcpdump package is optional, so it
might not be installed by default.
3304 [21:13:09] <somiaj> foreal: apt-get install tcpdump
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3307 [21:13:19] <foreal> i know im doing the dump now
3308 [21:13:25] <foreal> and its huge
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3310 [21:13:31] <foreal> keeps goin
3311 [21:13:36] <tomcres> foreal: sounds like something my 6 year
old might say
3312 [21:13:44] <missmbob> feliks: the webserver that's
currently hosting the domain. certbot wants it running live and
listening on port 443. you apparently have not configured that yet
3313 [21:13:45] <_rubik> tomcres: ded
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3315 [21:14:02] <jelly-home> tomcres: except it's funny when
they do it
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3317 [21:14:15] <foreal> hmm
3318 [21:14:20] <foreal> not sure how to do that
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3320 [21:14:27] <_rubik> foreal: Yes. You're dumping all
traffic over given interface. Read the documentation and learn how
to use tcpdump
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3324 [21:14:51] <somiaj> foreal: what did you expect tcpdump to
tell you, what is it you are looking for?
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3326 [21:15:02] <feliks> missmbob: i dont have a problem with
certbot. i wanted to use a script within initramfs
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3328 [21:15:17] <foreal> idk
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3330 [21:15:22] <feliks> but this channel seems too cluttered to
help with problems beyond a beginners scope :(
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3332 [21:15:32] <foreal> true
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3334 [21:15:39] <foreal> ill admit ima noob
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3337 [21:16:12] <foreal> but how would i get the port 443 to
listen
3338 [21:16:19] <foreal> or whatever
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3341 [21:16:31] <missmbob> most people would configure apache to
do so
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3343 [21:16:41] <fgrepper> what is the best tcpdump command to
maximize human readibility?
3344 [21:16:43] <jelly-home> nc -l -p 443
3345 [21:16:46] <somiaj> foreal: why not describe what it is you
are really trying to do, as opposed to what appears to me unrelated
questions.
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3348 [21:16:56] <feliks> foreal: if people ask you questions,
answer them. that way your hand can be held
3349 [21:16:58] <_rubik> foreal: This isn't the channel for
that. But try 'man tcpdump'
3350 [21:16:59] <apathor> jelly-home++ # lol
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3352 [21:17:17] <foreal> i just want certbot to work ill read
about aqpache
3353 [21:17:24] <foreal> apche
3354 [21:17:27] <jelly-home> apathor: mind you, only with
netcat-traditional. Others eschew -p
3355 [21:17:30] <foreal> apache
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3364 [21:20:38] <somiaj> foreal: have you seen if there is any
helpful documentation in the certbot package,
/usr/share/doc/certbot/
3365 [21:20:55] <somiaj> I would think there would be some guide
to how to get it to integrate with apache or ngnix webservers at
least.
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3368 [21:21:24] <somiaj> foreal:
replaced-url
3369 [21:22:12] <jelly-home> fgrepper: for me, it's
"write to a file and open in wireshark on my workstation"
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3371 [21:22:48] <fgrepper> ahh ive just been capturing it with
wireshark separately
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3373 [21:23:13] <fgrepper> i just want to get better at reading
the tcpdump terminal output, but meh wireshark exists for a reason
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3375 [21:23:31] <jelly-home> sometimes the system you're
capturing on isn't the same GUI-capable system able to display
wireshark
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3377 [21:25:12] <IRCWOlf6262> Ci~
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3427 [21:45:57] <DotHack> hiya!
3428 [21:46:30] <somiaj> greetings
3429 [21:46:44] <DotHack> using debian jessie with systemd and
cups i get a log message with cups print service started on each
print that is being made
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3431 [21:47:18] <DotHack> its a busy production system with lots
of prints so lots of messages.. anyone knows how to disable this
behaviuo?
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3441 [21:50:24] <dwarfmut> what tool you use for build deb
packages with jenkins ?
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3443 [21:50:35] <somiaj> jenkins?
3444 [21:50:42] <dwarfmut> somiaj: yes
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3446 [21:50:50] <somiaj> what is jenkins, I'm not famialr
with it.
3447 [21:50:59] <missmbob> DotHack: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and
change AccessLogLevel to config
3448 [21:50:59] <DotHack> its constanlty outputting this:
systemd[1]: Started CUPS Printing Service.
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3450 [21:51:40] <somiaj> almost sounds like the service is a hook
that runs when needed as opposed to constantly in the
background....though unsure on the details, I'd have to look
closer at my cups service.
3451 [21:51:43] <dwarfmut> somiaj:
replaced-url
3452 [21:52:39] <somiaj> dwarfmut: maybe jenkins support is better
suited, but I found this....replaced-url
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3458 [21:54:56] <DotHack> missmbob: its not in the cups accesslog
but in the syslog
3459 [21:55:46] <DotHack> somiaj: i have been searching around and
there is a cups.socket, seems that this controls the service, but
there is also cups.service
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3461 [21:56:35] <somiaj> DotHack: what is the output of systemctl
status cups.service
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3463 [21:56:48] <somiaj> DotHack: The .socket is the one that will
get triggered for events, and turn run the service.
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3465 [21:58:08] <DotHack> somiaj:
replaced-url
3466 [21:58:28] <DotHack> somiaj: the service seems to be active
all the time...
3467 [21:59:06] <DotHack> somiaj: and when i stop the cups.socket
printing stops...
3468 [21:59:18] <somiaj> DotHack: yea the service might just be
running the admin interface and the socket is what gets triggered
when a remote print job is sent.
3469 [21:59:43] <somiaj> I don't know cups well enough to
know why it is using sockets to triger the remote jobs and not just
constantly running. It could be a configuration thing, it could be a
design thing.
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3471 [22:00:11] <DotHack> it seems to have changed when systemd
got introduced...
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3475 [22:01:09] <ledufakademy> hi
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3477 [22:01:21] <ledufakademy> does anyone play with btrfs under
jessie ?
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3481 [22:01:59] <pos> yes
3482 [22:02:16] <somiaj> DotHack: I don't have time to
research this much, but
replaced-url
3483 [22:02:23] <somiaj> !anyone
3484 [22:02:23] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3485 [22:03:04] <DotHack> somiaj: thanks going to read that
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3492 [22:06:10] <velix> Does Debian has a group, every users is in
?
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3496 [22:06:56] <tomcres> velix there's users, but it's
not populated by default. feel free to add your users to it, though.
3497 [22:07:11] <velix> tomcres: okay, thx
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3519 [22:15:08] <DotHack> well nothing usable there.... seems the
service is socket activated and leaves a message for every print..
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3533 [22:21:59] <fgrepper> are NMAP -sF, -sX scans useful in any
way when scanning a windows host?
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3563 [22:36:30] <bryn1u> fgrepper: nope
3564 [22:36:53] <bryn1u> only linux
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3566 [22:37:21] <fgrepper> my instructor is having us detail the
results when using -sF, -sX, -sN from linux->windows...pointless
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3573 [22:39:35] <bryn1u> i dont remamber but scans aginst
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3577 [22:40:07] <bryn1u> ACK, FIN, XMAS, NULL SCAN
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3579 [22:40:12] <bryn1u> it doesnt work on windows
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3581 [22:40:13] <tw> How do I encourage tmpfs to swap? I
can't actually get mine to swap out before softlocking the
machine.
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3586 [22:41:33] <yaourt> Whats the command to open ports on Debian
manually using iptables?
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3588 [22:41:42] <yaourt> because i can't seem to get any
open.
3589 [22:41:48] <bryn1u> all ports
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3591 [22:42:06] <bryn1u> iptables -P INPUT
3592 [22:42:13] <missmbob> they're all open by default in
debian
3593 [22:42:23] <yaourt> no 443 wont open.
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3595 [22:42:28] <bryn1u> yaourt: check iptables -L
3596 [22:42:29] <missmbob> you again?
3597 [22:42:31] <yaourt> bryn1u, i tried that.
3598 [22:42:38] <missmbob> just changed your nick, huh?
3599 [22:42:43] <yaourt> no?
3600 [22:42:49] <yaourt> Oh my friend must came here, lol
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3602 [22:42:53] <bryn1u> yaourt: so put what u get
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3604 [22:43:14] <yaourt> trying to help him get his ports open...
but iptables is not working.
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3606 [22:43:32] <bryn1u> fgrepper: so your instructor is right
about it :D
3607 [22:43:53] <missmbob> it's working fine. "he"
doesnt have apache listening to 443
3608 [22:43:53] <bryn1u> yaourt: so check if really not working
3609 [22:43:59] <missmbob> has nothing to do with iptables
3610 [22:44:17] <bryn1u> ahhh
3611 [22:44:20] <yaourt> ah, okay.
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3614 [22:45:33] <foreal> i do have it listening on 443 but ports
closed all of a sudden i added the listener too the ports.conf
3615 [22:45:37] <foreal> trying a reboot
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3617 [22:46:00] <bryn1u> foreal: try telnet youserver 443
3618 [22:46:14] <bryn1u> if u can connect port is open
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3622 [22:46:46] <missmbob> not if nothing is listening to it
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3624 [22:47:14] <foreal> im getting this with apache now
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3626 [22:47:15] <missmbob> is all you did really create a
ports.conf in /etc/apache2/ ?
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3628 [22:47:21] <foreal> ] Restarting apache2 (via systemctl):
apache2.serviceJob for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl
status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for
details.
3629 [22:47:21] <foreal> failed!
3630 [22:47:33] <foreal> yes i added listener to that file
3631 [22:47:37] <missmbob> yeah. that means you misconfigured it.
so there's nothing listening on 443
3632 [22:47:37] <foreal> just like port 80 was
3633 [22:47:44] <foreal> it was fine
3634 [22:47:48] <foreal> it worked a min ago
3635 [22:47:49] <missmbob> foreal: that's not all you have to
do
3636 [22:47:52] <foreal> for awhile
3637 [22:47:58] <foreal> oh its not
3638 [22:47:59] <tw> ssl has different params than a regular http
port.
3639 [22:48:31] <missmbob> yes, yes it does. but let's keep
playing with iptables
3640 [22:48:32] <foreal> cant telnet
3641 [22:48:49] <bryn1u> netstat -ntlp
3642 [22:49:06] <missmbob> you cant telnet because apache
isn't running. you just posted that it's not
3643 [22:49:07] <bryn1u> check does apache bind to this port
3644 [22:49:16] <foreal> can somone connect to my server
3645 [22:49:24] <foreal> and see whats goin on
3646 [22:49:26] <missmbob> NOT WITHOUT APACHE RUNNING
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3648 [22:49:33] <foreal> if anyone has time
3649 [22:49:48] <bryn1u> foreal: what do u want to do ?
3650 [22:50:04] <bryn1u> do u want to use ssl with apache
3651 [22:50:06] <bryn1u> or what ?
3652 [22:50:15] <yaourt> he is trying to get some irc bot to work.
3653 [22:50:23] <yaourt> that needs apache.
3654 [22:50:32] <foreal> get my apache back up and running it was
fine then when i did the certbot-auto certonly command it finished
and worked but apache stoped
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3656 [22:50:56] <foreal> as soon as i did that command
3657 [22:51:19] <foreal> apache stoped working
3658 [22:51:36] <foreal> it was working fine i even had the site
of apache up
3659 [22:51:39] <bryn1u> foreal: apt-get --purge remove apache2
3660 [22:51:46] <bryn1u> remove rest of files and install again
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3662 [22:52:21] <missmbob> because you just decided to fuck around
with its config instead of looking up a tutorial when you were told
you had to properly configure apache to listen to 443. before it was
happy because it was just port 80
3663 [22:52:26] <bryn1u> and make a point if u do something first
time do a backup !
3664 [22:52:50] <foreal> i did have it working tho it was
listening and port was openh
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3668 [22:53:19] <fgrepper> would the response to an -sS/-sT scan
on a closed port differ in any way to an -sN/-sF/-sX scan on an open
port?
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3670 [22:53:52] <missmbob> yaourt: now that you know apache config
is your friend's problem and not iptables nonsense, can you
take over?
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3672 [22:54:12] <yaourt> missbob, yeah ill sort it.
3673 [22:54:27] <missmbob> yaourt: thank you!
3674 [22:54:28] <yaourt> missbob, logged in trying to see what the
bash history looks like. lol
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3676 [22:54:42] <antisaint> Why would I be getting a sudo: Unable
to resolve hostname? Internet works minus chromium...?
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3679 [22:55:17] <tw> probably your machine's hostname
isn't in /etc/hosts
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3681 [22:56:37] <antisaint> and its just adding it ie: 127.0.0.1
hostname?
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3687 [22:57:12] <tw> yes, it should be that simple. it should
appear before localhost on the same line.
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3694 [23:00:02] <antisaint>
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3695 [23:00:39] <tw> after 127.0.0.1 before localhost, yes.
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3699 [23:00:59] <antisaint> Kewl, will attempt. thanks
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3703 [23:02:52] <foreal> ok telnet works
3704 [23:03:02] <foreal> says connected
3705 [23:03:06] <missmbob> debian requires a hostname on install,
though, so your /etc/hosts shouldn't have been naked. others
dont, like fedora
3706 [23:03:17] <missmbob> just make sure you're in debian
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3713 [23:04:39] <antisaint> Im runnind debian on a pi so it may
differ ;)
3714 [23:04:51] <missmbob> ah
3715 [23:04:57] <stew> antisaint: which installer did you use?
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3718 [23:05:21] <od> when trying to setup NFS server on Jessie I
see in /var/log/messages: nfsd: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err
0) & nfsd: Unknown symbol set_posix_acl (err 0)
3719 [23:05:48] <od> the person who created the kernel claims that
it works ok on an other box.
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3722 [23:06:00] <od> how can I debug or even fix this?
3723 [23:06:03] <antisaint> None, default image
3724 [23:06:23] <od> antisaint, debian or raspbian?
3725 [23:06:35] <antisaint> Jesse
3726 [23:06:37] <od> close but not the same
3727 [23:06:41] <od> oh. ok
3728 [23:06:52] <od> Raspbian also has a Jessie
3729 [23:07:01] <fgrepper> using tcpdump/wireshark, how would I be
able to tell the difference between an -sS scan and an -sT scan when
scanning a closed port?
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3746 [23:12:04] <antisaint> How can I get autocomplete with tab to
return? I created a new user and it has dissapeared :(
3747 [23:12:28] <tw> chsh -s /bin/bash newuser
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3750 [23:16:05] <bolt> curl
replaced-url
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3756 [23:17:27] <missmbob> really.
replaced-url
3757 [23:18:48] <somiaj> bolt: I also wouldn't use
ftp.debian.org, use ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org instead
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3759 [23:19:16] <bolt> somiaj: me too. just testing there since i
also got a 404 on my countrycode
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3762 [23:19:25] <bolt> seems the uncompressed version is gone
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3765 [23:19:57] <Ooze> Should my external IP be added to my
/etc/hosts file to make my apache sites available?
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3768 [23:20:33] <phogg> Ooze: available where?
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3772 [23:21:20] <somiaj> Ooze: available to whom?
3773 [23:21:22] <missmbob> bolt: add .xz.
replaced-url
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3775 [23:21:24] <Ooze> My external IP changed last week and after
configurating my registrar A records, apache configs, etc I'm
still unable to reach my sites via correct URL
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3777 [23:21:37] <bolt> missmbob: any idea on how i get apt to do
that? :)
3778 [23:21:55] <somiaj> Ooze: it takes a bit of time for DNS
changes to go through. Also what was the cache time limit set in
your records?
3779 [23:22:03] <missmbob> bolt: you should've said it was
apt. pastebin your sources.list
3780 [23:22:06] <Ooze> It's been over a week now
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3782 [23:22:11] <Ooze> I've got it set to
'Automatic'
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3784 [23:22:39] <Ooze> Been going between #httpd and ##networking,
they both claim the other is the issue
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3789 [23:23:52] <somiaj> well you can use dig to see what info is
actually being given. You were not clear to me on what you updated.
The register's records for DNS are sometimes different than the
actual DNS config -- register you need to specify the dns servers,
then you need to configure the dns server.
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3791 [23:24:07] <somiaj> though some registers do both, just
making sure you updated the correct settings.
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3793 [23:25:06] <`Kevin> Ooze: what happens when you hit the site?
Do you see anything
3794 [23:25:20] <`Kevin> Ooze: Does anything show up in your
apache logs (any of the logs)
3795 [23:25:26] <Ooze> The url of the website itself times out,
I'm able to load it at the external IP though
3796 [23:25:42] <`Kevin> Ok so that does sound like a resolving
issue
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3798 [23:26:02] <somiaj> yea use dig, and double check your
register and dns settings
3799 [23:26:21] <Ooze> My registrar has claimed evertyhinng is
okay, had them look like three times now
3800 [23:26:52] <Ooze> I'm not too familar with dig, how
should I be using it? Do I need to be on another network for it to
be most effective?
3801 [23:27:14] <somiaj> Well to me you still haven't been
clear if you set told the register what dns server to use, or if you
updated a dns server config.
3802 [23:27:32] <somiaj> you can specify which dns server to use,
tell it to use the dns server for your domain.
3803 [23:27:48] <Ooze> somiaj,
replaced-url
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replaced-url
3806 [23:28:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1698
3807 [23:28:20] <`Kevin> Ooze: what is the domain that isnt
working
3808 [23:28:25] <Ooze> harleyluplow.com
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3810 [23:29:09] <`Kevin> Ooze: is the actual external IP
68.65.10.4 ?
3811 [23:29:18] <Ooze> Yes, it's loading when you visit that
too
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3814 [23:29:59] <`Kevin> Not for me unless it is on a non-standard
port
3815 [23:30:14] <Ooze>
replaced-url
3816 [23:30:25] <Ooze> My friend just said he could load it too,
on the other side of the state
3817 [23:30:36] <somiaj> Ooze: PING harleyluplow.com (68.65.10.4)
3818 [23:30:41] <somiaj> that is the ip address I get resolved
3819 [23:30:48] <missmbob> cant ping it though
3820 [23:30:49] <Ooze> That's the correct IP
3821 [23:31:16] <`Kevin> (UNKNOWN) [68.65.10.4] 80 (http) :
Connection timed out
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3823 [23:31:25] <somiaj> anyways if the ip is resolving correctly,
it could be some firewall on your network
3824 [23:31:50] <Ooze> Yeah, I've got two Windows domain
controllers configured but I had someone else help me set them up --
afraid there might be something hiding in there
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3826 [23:31:54] <Ooze> Wouldn't have a clue where to look
3827 [23:32:35] <missmbob> Ooze: are you connected to this machine
somehow? ssh?
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3830 [23:32:54] <Ooze> ssh via local IP, yeah
3831 [23:32:57] <Ooze> I can do the same via external
3832 [23:33:30] <missmbob> pastebin ip a
3833 [23:33:34] <Ooze> I can also hit other services hosted on
it...
3834 [23:33:44] <Ooze>
replaced-url
3835 [23:33:47] <Ooze> Is ZNC
3836 [23:33:53] <`Kevin> :|
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3838 [23:34:50] <Ooze>
replaced-url
3839 [23:34:56] <somiaj> Ooze: are you sure the webserver is
correctly listening on port 80?
3840 [23:35:14] <Ooze> Listen 80 is configured, I haven't
touched that
3841 [23:35:19] <missmbob> so you're so 1337 you're
using iptables on this for some reason?
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3843 [23:35:33] <`Kevin> Ooze: from the pastebin output im
guessing you have a NAT configuration somewhere that needs updated
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3847 [23:36:12] <fgrepper> is UDP scanning with NMAP on a windows
host workable? i am scanning an open port, and expecting no
response, per man page, but im receiving a dest. host unreachable
response
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3849 [23:36:24] <missmbob> oh jesus christ this is a comcast ip
3850 [23:36:30] <`Kevin> missmbob: yep :|
3851 [23:36:54] <missmbob> i've never known comcast to allow
this
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3853 [23:37:13] <`Kevin> missmbob: typically no but i think since
it is comcast buisness they allow it
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3855 [23:37:30] <`Kevin> /business
3856 [23:37:31] <missmbob> call comcast. they're blocking
ports
3857 [23:37:43] <missmbob> tell them to open ports. pray they do
it
3858 [23:38:03] <`Kevin> ^ its either NAT/FW or comcast indeed
3859 [23:38:21] <missmbob> my guess is they wont open port 80
3860 [23:38:27] <Ooze> Yeah? I thought that might be it....
3861 [23:38:34] <Ooze> I had my old IP for like a year and never
had issues
3862 [23:38:36] <Ooze> Dammit
3863 [23:38:57] <Ooze> Should I try to release it and get a new
one? Or just call?
3864 [23:39:09] <`Kevin> Ooze: thats why I think it could be a old
NAT rule somewhere on your router since it `used to work?`
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3866 [23:39:43] <Ooze> Could be
3867 [23:39:56] <Ooze> Using Advanced Tomato, clicking around now
3868 [23:39:57] <missmbob> it used to work because he was on
at&t
3869 [23:40:01] <missmbob> :P
3870 [23:40:06] <`Kevin> missmbob: oh yea? ha
3871 [23:40:08] <Ooze> No, it was Comcast before
3872 [23:40:22] <Ooze> ;) jokes?
3873 [23:40:38] <`Kevin>
replaced-url
3874 [23:40:41] <missmbob> if you knew what my day looked like
you'd get 'em when you can
3875 [23:40:42] <`Kevin> is that toomato?
3876 [23:40:52] <Ooze> an old version, yes
3877 [23:40:56] <`Kevin> check src address there
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3879 [23:41:16] <Ooze>
replaced-url
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3881 [23:41:34] <Ooze> Does that load for you?
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3884 [23:41:54] <`Kevin> yea but thats not the port forwarding are
and we are WAY off topic at this point
3885 [23:42:05] <`Kevin> actually
3886 [23:42:07] <`Kevin> you fixed it?
3887 [23:42:14] <Ooze> ?
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3889 [23:42:20] <missmbob> yeah it works
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3891 [23:42:29] <`Kevin> ahh nvm similar ip
3892 [23:42:32] <Ooze> Yeah, but not my site
3893 [23:42:40] <Ooze> I can only load that from the external IP
3894 [23:42:42] <Ooze> Not the url
3895 [23:43:14] <Ooze>
replaced-url
3896 [23:44:02] <Ooze> Oh hey, shit
3897 [23:44:03] <Ooze>
replaced-url
3898 [23:44:16] <Ooze> Is that one related?
3899 [23:44:39] <Ooze> ...maybe I should head back to ##networking
3900 [23:44:44] <od> how can I rebuild initramfs? I think I have
on for an old kernel with not all modules needed, while running a
newer kernel
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3902 [23:44:52] <od> *one
3903 [23:44:52] <`Kevin> Ooze: all of that looks fine to me
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3906 [23:45:37] <Ooze> So is it likely Comcast at this point? I
figure if I'm able to reach via the external IP directly then
that can't be the issue
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3908 [23:45:40] <Ooze> As port 80 is obviously open
3909 [23:45:52] <`Kevin> the last thing you pasted was routing
table, looks fine. yes
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3911 [23:46:21] <tomcres> most cable companies block incoming
connections on port 80
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3913 [23:47:14] <Ooze> Well, if you're able to load those
photos that mustn't be right, right?
3914 [23:47:27] <`Kevin> Ooze: isnt that a different IP?
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3916 [23:47:39] <Ooze> um
3917 [23:48:08] <Ooze> Holy shit man
3918 [23:48:23] <`Kevin> you typod the dns ? :)
3919 [23:48:33] <Ooze> 68.56.10.4
3920 [23:48:33] <Ooze> 68.65.10.4
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3922 [23:48:36] <`Kevin> yep
3923 [23:48:36] <Ooze> It appears that way...
3924 [23:48:38] <Ooze> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
3925 [23:48:43] <Ooze> ahahahahahah okay
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3941 [23:54:41] <missmbob> Ooze: i dont know if you care but
i'd definitely look at port 22
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3943 [23:56:04] <missmbob> or at least open something for ssh
(yeah, i scanned the IP)
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3950 [23:58:58] <Ooze> I disabled it ;)
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3952 [23:59:26] <Gerowen> Could somebody explain to me why this
script isn't actually writing anything to the log file I
created? The script is being ran by root's cron schedule
properly because new files get replicated, but nothing actually gets
written to the log file.
3953 [23:59:27] <Gerowen>
replaced-url
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