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• 40[00:21:22] <blasen> where can i check which graphic card driver is being installed/used? is there a gui for xfce4?
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• 53[00:25:56] <rant> hmm.. apparently someone had said something to me, but my buffer doesn't go back far enough and I dont keep logs :P
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• 55[00:27:30] <somiaj> there are public logs, but when that happens to me, I just let it go. Figured if someone really wanted a response, they will ask agian.
• 56[00:28:04] <rant> yeah I would guess it was that guy that was doing the schroot thing with
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• 101[00:47:30] <EdePopede> 10:07:38 (UTC) <tp43_> rant, thx
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• 151[01:10:31] <t3st3r> blasen> as one of options, *nix-style it could be like this: glxinfo | grep -i renderer
• 152[01:11:16] <blasen> t3st3r, thanks a lot.
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• 156[01:12:39] <t3st3r> full output of glxinfo is a bit too chatty though. Glxinfo is part of mesa-utils package. It isn't GUI though, sorry.
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• 171[01:23:15] <justthedoctor> is there a way to make ALL output and everything from the command make -f makefile.unix go into a file?
• 172[01:23:16] <blasen> t3st3r hm. i seem to have installed the correct drivers. but either something is malconfigured or i don't know.. the performance seems horrible.
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• 174[01:23:54] <justthedoctor> i would normally do make -f makefile.unix > filename but some stuff doesnt go to it
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• 177[01:25:35] <t3st3r> blasen> well, it really depends on what you mean as "installed drivers" and what your GPU is, etc.
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• 180[01:26:20] <t3st3r> what's your GPU to begin with? (vendor)
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• 182[01:28:01] <blasen> t3st3r, the output of glxinfo is: GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer
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• 184[01:28:52] <t3st3r> hmm... so no "renderer string"?
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• 189[01:29:55] <blasen> t3st3r, OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 128 bits)
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• 192[01:30:07] <t3st3r> you can try without grep but it chatty
• 193[01:30:09] <blasen> is that a software renderer?>
• 194[01:30:21] <t3st3r> hmm so you got soft-rendering, CPU fallback
• 195[01:30:28] <blasen> oh.
• 196[01:30:38] <blasen> that explains the poor performance i guess.
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• 199[01:30:50] <t3st3r> yes, you run software :D 3D on that thing - Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 128 bits)
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• 201[01:31:03] <t3st3r> llvmpipe is software fallback.
• 202[01:31:04] <blasen> im a total newb sorry.
• 203[01:31:07] <blasen> oki
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• 205[01:31:23] <blasen> thanks for help! :)
• 206[01:31:31] <t3st3r> AMD GPUs may need firmware before they take off. And reasonably recent kernel/mesa.
• 207[01:31:34] <blasen> you think i can do something about that?
• 208[01:32:02] <EdePopede> justthedoctor: that's error output then. append `2>&1`, see also replaced-url
• 209[01:32:18] <EdePopede> justthedoctor: err, you're using bash?
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• 211[01:32:26] <blasen> like..how would you go about finding a compatible driver that would use 3d acceleration?
• 212[01:32:29] <t3st3r> blasen> do you have firmware-amd-graphics package installed?
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• 215[01:32:43] <blasen> can i check that with cli?
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• 217[01:34:01] <t3st3r> <blasen> can i check that with cli? <- sure, something like dpkg --list | grep firmware would do
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• 221[01:34:39] <t3st3r> if you don't see firmware-amd-graphics you may want one.
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• 224[01:35:05] <blasen> t3st3r, great. ok i seem not to have installed it yet.
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• 226[01:35:24] <blasen> i will try.
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• 239[01:40:58] <blasen> t3st3r, can't find the package. i was very cautious about my sources so far. i guess i need to add a source?
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• 250[01:44:40] <t3st3r> blasen> hmm... does apt-cache search firmware-amd finds something? It in non-free section obviously... :(
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• 255[01:47:08] <blasen> how would i need to change the sources.list to get the non-free packages? does debian provide such at all?
• 256[01:47:16] <t3st3r> AMD GPUs generally need some proprietary firmwares to initialize to their "native" mode. Maybe your sources lack non-free section?
• 257[01:47:36] <blasen> the definitely lack such so far
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• 259[01:48:33] <__m4ch1n3__> add "contrib non-free" on the end of each line
• 260[01:48:41] <__m4ch1n3__> e.g
• 261[01:48:48] <t3st3r> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and when you see something like deb replaced-url
• 262[01:48:53] <__m4ch1n3__> deb replaced-url
• 263[01:48:58] <blasen> ok
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• 265[01:49:40] <__m4ch1n3__> but replace buster with your debian version
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• 268[01:50:11] <t3st3r> Debian doesn't supplies proprietary firmwares by default - but they do present in "non-free" section though.
• 269[01:50:35] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 270[01:51:25] <blasen> what's the 'contrib' part?
• 271[01:52:59] <jmcnaught> it says above the examples on that page ^
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• 274[01:54:36] <__m4ch1n3__> oh nice wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list#Using_Tor_with_Apt
• 275[01:54:44] <__m4ch1n3__> ups
• 276[01:55:05] <__m4ch1n3__> * replaced-url
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• 279[01:55:48] <blasen> ok. i have installed that package. do i need to restart or something? glxinfo stills says llvmpipe
• 280[01:56:02] <__m4ch1n3__> so no https or 6 layers tor hidden service https overkill :3
• 281[01:56:10] <t3st3r> blasen> I guess you have, to get kernel driver to re-init GPU
• 282[01:56:13] <__m4ch1n3__> *tor to hidden service
• 283[01:56:22] <t3st3r> __m4ch1n3__> yeah, rather funny idea.
• 284[01:56:31] <blasen> t3st3r, thx a lot. brb then.
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• 292[01:59:06] <t3st3r> __m4ch1n3__> tor does end-to-end encryption client -> hidden service on its own. Https to same point would be just redundant.
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• 297[02:01:01] <t3st3r> Freenode allows for such setup, but it partially faulty - you can't get TLS cert for .onion normal way, eh?
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• 302[02:02:23] <__m4ch1n3__> it forces it when using sasl tor gateway
• 303[02:02:28] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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• 305[02:03:30] <t3st3r> hmm not sure if it mandatory to use TLS port, it works - but technically it gets TLS error due to wrong hostname...
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• 321[02:15:49] <cirdan> hey all, does anyone know if anyone ever made a github module for the apt bot? so it could look up issues or post updates
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• 327[02:17:37] <annadane> cirdan, what issues? there's apt-listbugs as a package...
• 328[02:17:50] <annadane> i'm not sure your question is entirely clear
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• 333[02:19:08] <cirdan> annadane: from github
• 334[02:19:18] <cirdan> to use the bot for another channel/project
• 335[02:19:31] <annadane> oh apt bot. i misread
• 336[02:19:36] <cirdan> :)
• 337[02:20:01] <annadane> which apt bot? judd? dpkg?
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• 339[02:20:16] <cirdan> apt/dpkg they are infobots
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• 344[02:21:51] <annadane> ah i've never seen anyone invoke apt in here, i wasn't aware it was a bot
• 345[02:22:17] <blasen> t3st3r, hey it worked great. and 1 more: thanks for all the help.
• 346[02:22:23] <blasen> good sir.
• 347[02:22:32] <cirdan> apt: phillysmite annadane
• 348[02:22:58] <cirdan> hmm
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• 366[02:43:51] <t3st3r> blasen> nice it worked :)
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• 395[03:10:22] <Deihmos> anyone know how to exclude kernel from unattended upgrade
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• 401[03:13:20] <__m4ch1n3__> execute kernel?
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• 404[03:16:15] <__m4ch1n3__> the kernel is specified in bootloader, in grub its the line that starts with "linux"
• 405[03:16:27] <__m4ch1n3__> linux /path/to/kernerl
• 406[03:16:35] <__m4ch1n3__> *kernel
• 407[03:17:19] <__m4ch1n3__> you can hit c in grub and edit temporary entry, thex boot it with ctrl+x without making it persistent
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• 412[03:21:22] <Deihmos> exclude from unattended upgrades
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• 423[03:35:15] <qman__> why do you want to exclude the kernel?
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• 444[03:46:08] <Deihmos> i have issues with the newer kernels
• 445[03:46:20] <Deihmos> prefer to do it manually
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• 447[03:46:35] <Deihmos> i can't figure out how to exclude from unattended
• 448[03:47:13] <rant> you could put a hold or pin
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• 450[03:47:49] <qman__> you could also remove or exclude the metapackage
• 451[03:47:59] <qman__> then it won't try to upgrade
• 452[03:49:02] <themill> it would still upgrade the package when the kernel ABI is the same
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• 454[03:50:30] <themill> Deihmos: the 50unattended-upgrades config file has a Package-Blacklist key
• 455[03:51:46] <Deihmos> blacklist linux-image-generic & linux-headers-generic ?
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• 461[04:00:12] <kevr> Hi. I have an interesting network problem to solve. This is going to get tricky quick, but basically, i have two separate kind of environments that my deb machine runs in. In one case, link 'eth0' gets an ip address in range 10.1.0.0/24. In this case, I want to route all traffic through this interface. In the second case, 'eth0' might get an arbitrary address, but never in that range 10.1.0.0/24, and in that
• 462[04:00:14] <kevr> case, i want to use an address via 'eth1' as my default route
• 463[04:00:24] <kevr> is this possible without crazy hook scripts that intervene?
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• 465[04:00:59] <kevr> eth1 will always be static, and eth0 will always be dhcp driven
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• 469[04:03:26] <Deihmos> ubuntu has so many updates but deiban barely any updates. what's the difference?
• 470[04:03:36] <Deihmos> probaly off-topic
• 471[04:03:37] <qman__> that's a pretty unusual setup, I'd just write a script to do it and trigger it with if-up.d
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• 473[04:04:08] <qman__> you can get the address of the interface you're dependent on, then set routes accordingly
• 474[04:04:22] <Unit193> Deihmos: Debian stages them for point releases, IIRC.
• 475[04:04:54] <qman__> you could also use ifmetric and set multiple gateways, and just tweak the metric of the statically configured gateway based on that
• 476[04:05:06] <Deihmos> oh i see. so ubuntu updates teh packages while debian waits for a point release
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• 480[04:08:35] <kevr> qman__: if i used the if-up.d method, that would depend on the ordering of initialization, right? because, if i have an if-up.d run on the second interface but the first is not up yet, i cant really decide what i should do
• 481[04:09:04] <kevr> perhaps theres a hook that i can run _after_ the networking service is completely finished?
• 482[04:09:26] <qman__> if-up.d runs every time an interface goes up
• 483[04:09:33] <qman__> so just have your script check what the state is and act appropriately
• 484[04:09:43] <qman__> if only one interface is up, set that gateway (or do nothing)
• 485[04:09:49] <qman__> if both are up, do your logic, and set your settings
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• 487[04:10:33] <qman__> the benefit to this approach is that it will work even when your network state changes dynamically, such as disconnecting and reconnecting an interface without rebooting, etc.
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• 489[04:10:40] <kevr> true
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• 491[04:11:37] <qman__> all you really need to check is what IP is set to each interface
• 492[04:11:48] <qman__> should be pretty simple logic
• 493[04:12:03] <kevr> yeah
• 494[04:13:24] <Deihmos> debian does not have kernel livepatching?
• 495[04:16:30] <annadane> there's the kexec-tools package
• 496[04:18:44] <kevr> qman__: amazing. simple ass script. not sure if its gonna work til im at the office tomorrow though, lol
• 497[04:20:38] <kevr> qman__: replaced-url
• 498[04:20:49] <kevr> at least it works when BRIDGED is not in that range currently
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• 500[04:22:02] <kevr> qman__: mac has this silly rule that you can't "share internet" a.k.a. NAT to an interface thats connected to 802.11x WPA Enterprise
• 501[04:22:07] <ChmEarl> +
• 502[04:22:25] <kevr> running debian in a virtual machine on a mac, so i have to use the bridged connection when im on premise
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• 504[04:22:32] <aPpYe> hello, with Buster nearing stable, I want to install a CLI only system and build my own desktop from there. The idea is to polish it up for a bit and then install to my main machine and those of some friends and family once it goes stable. I am not sure what testing ISO to start with and am looking for recommendations.
• 505[04:22:49] <kevr> but otherwise, NAT over a vpn tunnel
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• 508[04:24:07] <TarantulaFudge> been reading my debian logs from 2005 and I just wanted to say... sorry lol
• 509[04:24:45] <patterson> Usenet never dies
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• 511[04:26:29] <aPpYe> Is buster alpha5 going to give me something similar enough to what will eventually be stable that I can start my project?
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• 526[04:42:53] <kevr> qman__: i can see problems so far though, this gets fired when the interfaces come up, but the `eth0` interface doesnt always have a valid IP at that point, as it fetches from dhcp
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• 528[04:44:15] <themill> Deihmos: the kernel packages are not called "-generic" in Debian.
• 529[04:44:57] <Deihmos> "linux-image"; maybe this will work
• 530[04:44:57] <kevr> qman__: i wonder if theres a way to hook into calling the script _anytime_ an ip address changes
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• 532[04:48:53] <themill> Deihmos: no, you would need to specify the regex if you want a partial match linux-image.* should work
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• 534[04:50:20] <TarantulaFudge> aPpYe: what is your project?
• 535[04:51:56] <TarantulaFudge> qman__: I haven't seen your earlier messages, but should be easy to write a script that checks interface IP regularly
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• 537[04:53:32] <kevr> qman__: /etc/dhcp/dhclient-{enter,exit}-hooks.d/ as well, for dhcp address changes
• 538[04:53:40] <kevr> looks like that put the nail in the coffin
• 539[04:54:51] <TarantulaFudge> that does seem better, if you only need to know about dhcp changes
• 540[04:55:28] <kevr> since the script is not super intrusive other than setting the routes based on what ips exist, i put it in the dhcp hook as well as if-up.d
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• 542[04:55:36] <kevr> might even put it in if-down.d too
• 543[04:55:53] <kevr> that way all bases are covered
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• 576[05:24:15] <aPpYe> TarantulaFudge: I basically want to build my own desktop from a command line, then distribute it to friends and family. I plan on doing this after Buster goes stable.
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• 578[05:24:53] <aPpYe> I am startign with the netinst of alpha 5 ... this should give me a decent starting point?
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• 580[05:25:52] <aPpYe> I am figuring that since buster is pretty locked down now, I can get my procedure down now, and once stable is released apply the same procedure to a stable install.
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• 582[05:28:36] <TarantulaFudge> hmm maybe usb stick tool would be neat
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• 584[05:29:03] <TarantulaFudge> preconfigure it for secure secret VPN with encrypted file storage
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• 586[05:29:38] <TarantulaFudge> host your own matrix server
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• 590[05:33:20] <kevr> matrix server? dawg
• 591[05:33:23] * kevr becomes neo
• 592[05:33:27] <luke-jr> Is there a mirror of wheezy packages anywhere? Trying to migrate away, but I need to install some tools :/
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• 601[05:40:21] <jelly> dpkg, tell luke-jr about archive
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• 607[05:41:19] <jelly> oops, wrong factoid
• 608[05:41:27] <jelly> dpkg, tell luke-jr about ado
• 609[05:41:59] <jelly> dpkg, tell luke-jr about valid-until
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• 612[05:43:16] <cooldude> hi i have a issue with sendmail not sending mail
• 613[05:43:16] <jelly> aPpYe: if that iso is more than month old, pick a weekly or daily build instead
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• 615[05:44:03] <cooldude> the issue i have is sendmail is not sending mail from Atheme IRC services for new registerations
• 616[05:44:21] <jelly> cooldude: first thing to do is look at /var/log/mail.log. Which debian release? Does dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail really show you have sendmail installed?
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• 618[05:45:41] <cooldude> jelly, the /var/log/mail.log is just saying the daemon is installed
• 619[05:46:00] <cooldude> jelly, as far is debian release, it's stretch
• 620[05:46:26] <jelly> cooldude: did sending mail from this machine _ever_ work?
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• 622[05:46:45] <cooldude> jelly, i just got this machine setup last night
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• 624[05:47:08] <luke-jr> jelly: thanks; is there an archive for -updates and security repos too, or just the original ones?
• 625[05:48:10] <jelly> luke-jr: no need for those, they would have been subsumed into the main repo in the last point release before it got archived
• 626[05:48:11] <cooldude> jelly, however when i do "sudo sendmail cooldude@mycooldude.info" i recieve mail in the junk folder
• 627[05:49:10] <luke-jr> jelly: they don't appear to be
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• 629[05:49:35] <luke-jr> eg, my system has exim4 4.80-7+deb7u6 but archives only has 4.80-7+deb7u3
• 630[05:50:07] <jelly> luke-jr: you may have used wheezy-lts repos.
• 631[05:50:28] <luke-jr> likely
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• 634[05:51:57] <luke-jr> ok, I see that's still alive; will it be archived when/if it gets taken off?
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• 636[05:52:54] <jelly> probably, but that's just a guess
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• 640[05:53:36] <jelly> wheezy-lts does not receive updates any more either. There is however a paid Extended LTS effort, which keeps a separate repo
• 641[05:53:55] <jelly> !elts
• 642[05:53:55] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
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• 644[05:54:09] <cooldude> ..speaking about wheezy..
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• 646[05:54:45] <cooldude> ..it's why i had to get this new machine and i'm having this sendmail problem..
• 647[05:55:01] <jelly> cooldude: there are many MTAs, I suggest picking one you know best for an initial installation, instead of going with sendmail if you know little about it
• 648[05:55:15] <cooldude> jelly, MTA such as..?
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• 656[05:59:42] <kreyren> sanity check? replaced-url
• 657[05:59:44] <jelly> cooldude: if you need remote delivery, a small one that only does that, like msmtp-mta or dma
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• 661[06:01:41] <cooldude> jelly ok
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• 663[06:02:49] <jelly> cooldude: sending mail directly from a fresh system without taking care of a dozen tiny things (correct configuration of envelope, fcrdns, spf, dmarc probably) _will_ result in low deliverability. It's easier to connect a tiny mta to send over eg. your gmail account than to set up a public mail system properly
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• 665[06:03:42] <cooldude> jelly, what would be the mta path for msmtp-mta?
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• 667[06:04:11] <cooldude> jelly, because Atheme IRC services needs the path for it
• 668[06:04:16] <aPpYe> I get an error that says "the repository on deb.debian.org couldn't be accessed, so its updates will not be made available to you at this time" ... It says that it has commented out entries in the sources.list file. When looking at /target/etc/apt/sources.list.new, I do not see any debian.org lines commented out... Is this not the right file?
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• 670[06:04:24] <jelly> cooldude: it's always the same, /usr/sbin/sendmail
• 671[06:04:29] <cooldude> ok
• 672[06:04:33] <aPpYe> should I not be enabling backports or something?
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• 674[06:05:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell aPpYe about basic apt troubleshooting
• 675[06:06:30] <aPpYe> jelly: okay, but I can't pastebin or anything. I was trying my best to paraphrase. this is a netinst install. I am getting an error saying it cannot access a repository.
• 676[06:07:04] <aPpYe> during the install. a red screen ...
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• 678[06:07:38] <jelly> aPpYe: you can still install the base system even without network or access to a repo
• 679[06:08:37] <aPpYe> so maybe I should try a mirror then ... I am not wanting to only install the base system.
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• 681[06:09:37] <jelly> aPpYe: are you installing debian 9 or something older?
• 682[06:09:54] <aPpYe> I got this same error using a recent mini.iso for buster earlier today on another computer. I will need a repo. I am thinking that maybe I should not select backports or something during a Buster (debian 10) install ...
• 683[06:10:27] <jelly> backports cannot exist for buster yet, there is nowhere to backport from
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• 685[06:10:49] <aPpYe> that's waht I was thinking. I will restart the install and deselect backports.
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• 687[06:13:46] <o770> Hi! I had a warning of "possible missing firmware (...)/tigon/tg3* for module tg3" during the generation of the initramfs image and then I installed the package firmware-misc-nonfree. Now my connection still works but it shows "wired unmanaged" in the status menu and it's missing in the network settings. It didn't change on a fresh system reinstallation.
• 688[06:14:18] <cooldude> jelly, i'm using dma now and i get this in /var/log/mail.info "Apr 4 00:11:55 whitehole dma[2554e.55b4980f6790]: remote delivery to ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM [2607:f8b0:400e:c08::1b] failed after final DATA: 550-5.7.1 [2402:d0c0:0:1e0::ca37] Our system has detected that this message does#015#012550-5.7.1 not meet IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR records and#015#012550-5.7.1 authentication. Please review#015#012550-5."
• 689[06:16:50] <jelly> cooldude: sounds like your system is not meeting Google's IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR records and authentication!
• 690[06:17:27] <cooldude> jelly, also getting this in /var/log/mail.info "Apr 4 00:11:55 whitehole dma[25551.55b49810f820]: remote delivery to ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM [2607:f8b0:400e:c07::1b] failed after RCPT TO: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try#015#012550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or#015#012550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at#015#012550"
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• 692[06:18:10] <jelly> the messages seem to be cut off.
• 693[06:18:36] <jelly> also, use mail.log which has _all_ the lines, not mail.info
• 694[06:18:55] <aPpYe> okay that's what it was ... no selecting backports during a testing install. makes sense. my debian-fu is a bit rusty ... I am gonna stick with debian for the long haul this time... no more distro hopping.
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• 697[06:19:30] <jelly> I do not know what hoops Goog wants you to jump through specifically for ipv6, but it seems there are some, cooldude
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• 699[06:20:03] <cooldude> would me setting MASQUERADE in the dma.conf help my situation jelly?
• 700[06:20:46] <jelly> cooldude: disabling ipv6 might
• 701[06:21:01] <cooldude> jelly, how would i disable ipv6 using dma?
• 702[06:21:27] <jelly> I meant on the system
• 703[06:21:31] <Dagger> or you could just set rDNS
• 704[06:22:21] <cooldude> there is a way to disable ipv6 with sendmail jelly
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• 707[06:23:44] <jelly> cooldude: I'm sure there is, but I don't know of one for dma
• 708[06:23:51] <jelly> cooldude: you'll have to read the docs
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• 724[06:37:09] <ross`> The problem is the /boot/efi/EFI/debian contains like 18000 items and is massively corrupted I think
• 725[06:37:26] <ross`> I can't seem to mount it in a way that I can delete /boot/efi/EFI/debian so that a fresh one can be installed
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• 749[07:03:48] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I was running update and upgrade when I started seeing problems with my sources; so it looks like, to me, that the updates are not getting through. Here is my sources.list: replaced-url
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• 765[07:14:10] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, looks like the problem was solved in the topic. I didn't see that jessie-updates and jessie-backports were removed until a moment ago. Now, the question is, why were they removed?
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• 810[07:59:48] <auk> Lady_Aleena, i think because they were end-of-life?
• 811[08:00:10] <auk> Lady_Aleena, if you /msg dpkg jessie it gives more detail
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• 816[08:02:48] <tomreyn> also, you need to manually switch to the LTS repos to ensure you are aware of the different support policies.
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• 832[08:08:32] <Lady_Aleena> tomreyn, what are the LTS repos? I've not heard of them before.
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• 837[08:10:39] <tp43_> I did a couple purges and re-installs, but I seem to be missing some windowing system files. When I open Vim, or shell, or right click in the browser, all the styles are missing. No margins or paddings
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• 843[08:12:57] <jelly> tomreyn: there's nothing to switch to for jessie-lts
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• 848[08:13:23] <jelly> it's the same repo where the normal security updates went before lts
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• 850[08:14:07] <jelly> !jessie-lts
• 851[08:14:07] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
• 852[08:14:14] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 853[08:14:14] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 913[09:01:54] <naribia> I'm trying to install debian 9.8.0 to an intel NUC, but when I after I select "Install" from the first menu, the screen goes black with what appears to be extremely small GUI along the top of the monitor... is this a known issue?
• 914[09:03:47] <Haohmaru> i think the graphical install is 640x480 resolution.. or 800x600.. maybe your monitor is huge-res?
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• 916[09:05:13] <naribia> its just a 1080p
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• 918[09:05:29] <naribia> I dont even want to install a GUI anyways
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• 920[09:06:13] <Haohmaru> hm, are you installing from "netinst" or some other image?
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• 922[09:06:20] <naribia> netinst
• 923[09:06:39] <Haohmaru> *shrug* then
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• 925[09:08:13] <naribia> its weird
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• 927[09:08:36] <naribia> its a bar at the top, with 24 screens, barely squeezed at the top, I can see some menu lists change when I move the arrow keys up and down
• 928[09:08:39] <naribia> too small to read
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• 951[09:22:31] <BlackGurw> Hello , guys
• 952[09:23:15] <BlackGurw> ANy one were now how to change ctrlc and ctr v for copy and paste in terminal ?
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• 955[09:24:19] <kreyren> Can apt provide compatibility layer management for WINE? POL* and lutris are unusable..
• 956[09:25:20] <BlackGurw> ANy one were now how to change ctrlc and ctr v for copy and paste in terminal ?
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• 958[09:26:55] <__m4ch1n3__> kreyren, what do you mean with compatibility layer?
• 959[09:27:01] <__m4ch1n3__> there is playonlinux
• 960[09:27:10] <__m4ch1n3__> which is a wine frontend
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• 962[09:28:18] <__m4ch1n3__> it creates a wine chroot like enviroment for certain aplications and also uses diffrent wineversion based on aplications
• 963[09:28:35] <kreyren> __m4ch1n3__: PlayOnLinux 4+5 is not usable, Phoenicis has issues with wine and core and POL4 is not maintained anymore, lutris has simmilar issues with core -> trying to handle that using package manager, had some success on portage replaced-url
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• 965[09:28:58] <kreyren> POL is not wine chroot it just uses different executable for the wineprefix.
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• 968[09:29:18] <__m4ch1n3__> well i did some testin with play on linux, i had best results with latest development version not from debian repository
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• 970[09:29:59] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 971[09:30:22] <__m4ch1n3__> playonlinux 5
• 972[09:30:28] <kreyren> hm i was using master and debian version it's closest to be usable but it pita to setup and contribute to.
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• 975[09:30:42] <kreyren> -> can apt do this?
• 976[09:31:24] <kreyren> or mby dpkg.. snap/flatpak probably can't assuming that winepaks are abadoned.
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• 978[09:32:03] <__m4ch1n3__> version 5 no, debian buster/testing has 4.1 in repository
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• 980[09:32:41] <__m4ch1n3__> but you can prepare system for build
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• 984[09:34:45] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 988[09:36:18] <__m4ch1n3__> if you struggle install an windows programm look it first up in replaced-url
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• 990[09:37:34] <__m4ch1n3__> if an wine installation procedure for that program exsits there and in comments people write installtaion and execution works than chances are good to make it run
• 991[09:38:15] <__m4ch1n3__> but if there are reports about failures you propably wont be able run that
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• 994[09:39:13] <__m4ch1n3__> what do you want install in wine?
• 995[09:40:49] <kreyren> ideally i want to install wine system-wide with required components and using that install said wineapp (+mods)
• 996[09:41:46] <kreyren> i said that i tried master version (git).. >.> Struggle with windows program installation is irelevant i can make custom wine if needed.. i need method to install said configuration
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• 1001[09:43:46] <__m4ch1n3__> cd into cloned dir
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• 1003[09:43:51] <__m4ch1n3__> git tag
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• 1005[09:44:28] <Iridos> apt isn't made to provide arbitrary versions.
• 1006[09:44:42] <__m4ch1n3__> git checkout playonlinux5
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• 1008[09:46:13] <__m4ch1n3__> playonlinux5 is branchname
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• 1012[09:47:32] <kreyren> i know how to use git this is not helping
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• 1016[09:47:39] <kreyren> Iridos: elaborate?
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• 1020[09:50:11] <Iridos> you have a system of dependencies
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• 1023[09:50:59] <kreyren> Iridos: and dependency is wine-* only..
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• 1025[09:51:18] <Iridos> they use c libraries
• 1026[09:51:28] <kreyren> so?
• 1027[09:51:48] <Iridos> sorry, no time
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• 1032[09:53:33] * kreyren smh
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• 1049[10:09:20] <BlackGurw> ANy one were now how to change ctrlc and ctr v for copy and paste in terminal ?
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• 1053[10:11:54] <Ticho> you can start by using stty to remap interrupt to something else than ^C; after that, it's just a matter of reconfiguring copy/paste keybindings for your terminal app
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• 1061[10:15:45] <ms-nick22> hi, i meed some advice/help with the setup of two default routes with routing tables in linux i followed this tutorial replaced-url
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• 1067[10:18:47] <Paganini> Hi. I'm new here. Please point me to the most beautiful girls on this channel.
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• 1070[10:19:19] <Sellerie> HI, can someone please help me setting up secureboot on my laptop? I currently have Debian sid installed and my Firmware is in setup mode. How do I proceed?
• 1071[10:19:33] <Sellerie> Paganini I am absolutely sure that you're completely wrong here
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• 1073[10:19:48] <BlackGurw> <Paganini> :)))
• 1074[10:20:25] <petn-randall> Sellerie: replaced-url
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• 1076[10:20:47] <petn-randall> Paganini: Do you have a Debian support question?
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• 1078[10:20:59] <Sellerie> I found that site already, but that doesnt really help me
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• 1080[10:22:24] <Sellerie> Oh ok, one problem solved already by realizing that shim is already set as primary bootloader instead of grub
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• 1120[10:56:11] <__m4ch1n3__> i#ve created a new user for transparent proxying by ownership and it works for commandline applications in term emulator from X session, but im not able to run X applications. why is that so?
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• 1122[10:56:17] <__m4ch1n3__> i reciev
• 1123[10:56:19] <__m4ch1n3__> No protocol specified
• 1124[10:56:19] <__m4ch1n3__> Error: Can't open display: :0
• 1125[10:56:29] <Ulrar> Is there a known reason why the post-up for an inet6 wouldn't be processed ? There's a few routes to setup to get the gateway working, if I run them by hand they work but in post-up they don't. I tried putting an "echo test >> /tmp/test" in post-up and it didn't run either
• 1126[10:56:36] <Ulrar> The interface does go up though
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• 1128[10:57:19] <__m4ch1n3__> is that maybe because the new user is not member of video group?
• 1129[10:58:41] <__m4ch1n3__> there 1 million + infinite resons why an net iface doesnt behave like expected :3
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• 1133[10:59:43] <__m4ch1n3__> did you looked up logs? /var/log/* or dmesg
• 1134[11:01:07] <petn-randall> Ulrar: Likely $PATH isn't set, so you'll have to use full paths for commands. Also run ifup with -v to see more details.
• 1135[11:02:19] <__m4ch1n3__> which group memberships are mandatory to execute X applications with non-default users in an exsiting X session runned by other/default user?
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• 1139[11:05:25] <__m4ch1n3__> i did "sudo useradd -m foo" in a running X session but user foo can only execute commandline stuff
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• 1141[11:06:03] <Ulrar> petn-randall: I do use full path
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• 1143[11:06:20] <Ulrar> And I can't really use ifup, it's the main interface, I can't bring it down without losing access
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• 1150[11:08:55] <petn-randall> Ulrar: "echo test" is not the full path.
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• 1152[11:09:55] <Ulrar> You know what I mean
• 1153[11:10:03] <Ulrar> I do use the full path
• 1154[11:10:10] <Ulrar> And it's simply not executed
• 1155[11:11:20] <Ulrar> Now those debian templates, annoyingly, have systemd-networkd by default so we re-create the /etc/network/interfaces by hand and then switch to networking like that : "systemctl disable systemd-networkd.service ; systemctl enable networking". Could it be that post-up is handled by another service we may have forgotten ?
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• 1157[11:12:52] <petn-randall> Ulrar: I'm not sure how we can help if you can't test running ifup with -v.
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• 1160[11:15:22] <Ulrar> Is there no way to have it log as if it was running with -v on boot ?
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• 1174[11:20:12] <jmcnaught> Ulrar: make a file /etc/systemd/system/networking.service.d/verbose.conf that contains two lines: "ExecStart= \ ExecStart= -v -a --read-environment"
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• 1176[11:20:54] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm it works with arch sux wrapper shell script
• 1177[11:20:59] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 1181[11:22:04] <jmcnaught> Ulrar: oh yeah, you'll need a first line "[Service]"
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• 1184[11:22:39] <jmcnaught> look at /lib/systemd/system/networking.service to see what you're overriding
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• 1191[11:24:26] <Ulrar> jmcnaught: Well systemd was uninstalled
• 1192[11:24:32] <Ulrar> So that shouldn't do anything
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• 1194[11:24:41] <Ulrar> I assume I need to do that in the init.d script ?
• 1195[11:24:57] <Ulrar> I'll try it thanks
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• 1198[11:25:39] <jmcnaught> Ulrar: above you said you disabled systemd-networkd and used systemctl to enable networking… that doesn't uninstall systemd
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• 1201[11:26:48] <__m4ch1n3__> so Xauthority prevents onother users to execute GUI stuff in a Xsession runned by diffrent user?
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• 1205[11:27:26] <__m4ch1n3__> how can i allow that for certain user permanent
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• 1212[11:30:13] <iamlearning> Hi, are there any small example packages in the standard repositories? I am writing a bash script which automates installing packages and need some preferably tiny test packages.
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• 1214[11:30:21] <iamlearning> If not, how can I find tiny packages?
• 1215[11:31:44] <iamlearning> I know that for webpages example pages like example.org exists, so perhaps Debian has the same
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• 1218[11:33:30] <Guest65362> hi
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• 1222[11:34:49] <Ulrar> jmcnaught: Obviously I also uninstalled systemd, or I wouldn't have said I had
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• 1228[11:36:29] <__m4ch1n3__> so next reboot will be your last?
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• 1230[11:36:47] <Ulrar> SysV works fine
• 1231[11:37:08] <Ulrar> As mentioned I have rebooted plenty of time, the problem is the post-up on the inet6 interface
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• 1233[11:37:10] <iamlearning> I found the 'hello' package, which is a small example program of 55.7kB.
• 1234[11:37:10] <__m4ch1n3__> looks like buster is missing a package to replace systemd with sysv
• 1235[11:37:13] <__m4ch1n3__> :(
• 1236[11:37:25] <Ulrar> __m4ch1n3__: That sounds like a great time to switch to devuan I guess :(
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• 1240[11:37:40] <Ulrar> it looks stable for the little testing we've done with it
• 1241[11:38:16] <__m4ch1n3__> my expirence of debian derivates was usually that lot things that used work in debian outofthebox need lot manual fixes
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• 1246[11:39:07] <Ulrar> Alright, I've added -v to the ifup in the script, let's see
• 1247[11:39:23] <__m4ch1n3__> i found an tut on the inet that claimed that its possible give debian installer options to make install without systemd
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• 1252[11:40:42] <__m4ch1n3__> i became truly a debian fanboi, best distro i ever tried
• 1253[11:41:41] <__m4ch1n3__> almost everything works instantly after package installation
• 1254[11:41:49] <Ulrar> I use gentoo on my personal machines, debian is only at work. It's fine for most things though
• 1255[11:41:58] <Ulrar> I just get mad when I have to generate my own packages
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• 1257[11:42:08] <__m4ch1n3__> i use it as desktop/private machine
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• 1259[11:42:16] <Ulrar> deb files are so complicated for no reason compared to ebuilds
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• 1265[11:43:14] <__m4ch1n3__> yeah but installing stuff on gentoo always escalates in neverending compiling orgies
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• 1268[11:44:28] <Ulrar> That's true I suppose, but on recent hardware it doesn't matter, most of the time you barely notice it
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• 1270[11:44:37] <Ulrar> On old machines it does take forever, that's true
• 1271[11:45:20] <__m4ch1n3__> i install often thing and remove them again and debian semms to be imune to usage like that
• 1272[11:45:25] <__m4ch1n3__> *things
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• 1274[11:45:35] <__m4ch1n3__> just out of curiosity
• 1275[11:45:53] <__m4ch1n3__> its very robust
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• 1277[11:46:21] <iamlearning> I am not sure if this fits in here, but I talked to dpkg and he mentioned newbiedoc. When I entered newbiedoc, the link dpkg provided lead into Nirwana
• 1278[11:46:24] <__m4ch1n3__> im also very used to apt
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• 1280[11:47:26] <__m4ch1n3__> with entering Nirwana you reached highest possible state of consciousness
• 1281[11:47:43] <iamlearning> I doubt I currently am in that state though
• 1282[11:47:44] <Ulrar> __m4ch1n3__: Yeah that's my issue, I'm very used to portage. It's just so good to be able to build everything as you want it instead of as how debian's maintainer wanted it
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• 1284[11:47:46] <iamlearning> :D
• 1285[11:47:46] <stripe> hi all, stretch 64bit cinnamon, trying to force nvidia to accept custom resolution and frequency at boot, will save in the gui but after a reboot it goes back to the default 30hz, no option in the display option in settings, any ideas? cheers
• 1286[11:47:56] <kaizoku> yea, Ulrar, I think debian could use a system similar to AUR or ports (something like that might even exist though)
• 1287[11:47:57] <Ulrar> I often end up making my own packages to get around what I disagree with
• 1288[11:48:12] <Ulrar> kaizoku: It would be great
• 1289[11:48:35] <kaizoku> There are some simpler wrappers than building a whole package though Ulrar , like checkinstall
• 1290[11:48:47] <Ulrar> We have our own repo with our own integration scripts to handle all of that, but that was a huge pain to make
• 1291[11:48:51] <kaizoku> you can just run `make install` with checkinstall, and it'll put it all into a package
• 1292[11:49:09] <Ulrar> I just find making .deb painful
• 1293[11:49:16] <kaizoku> ah yea, if you're creating packages to export it's probably worthwhile
• 1294[11:49:28] <Ulrar> We have a couple of thousands of servers yes
• 1295[11:50:10] <kaizoku> yea once upon a time i worked on an apt repo management system similar to that
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• 1297[11:51:18] <Ulrar> We use fpm + urepo, they can handle making repositories for multiple distributions at once
• 1298[11:51:20] <Ulrar> it's pretty nice
• 1299[11:51:43] <Ulrar> That way we have centos, ubuntu and all that taken care of too, for the rare servers using those
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• 1303[11:52:52] <kaizoku> Ah nice, yea fpm wasn't around at that time
• 1304[11:53:12] <kaizoku> we only had a limited number of packages tho, so we just used buildpackage
• 1305[11:53:25] <kaizoku> We used reprepro for the repository stuff
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• 1315[11:57:56] <tp43_> I did a couple purges and re-installs, but I seem to be missing some windowing system files. When I open Vim, or shell, or right click in the browser, all the styles are missing. No margins or paddings
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• 1328[12:05:01] <Ulrar> Ah ! finally got the log to work
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• 1330[12:05:03] <Ulrar> Waiting for DAD... Timed out
• 1331[12:05:17] <Ulrar> Guess that's why it's not executing the post-up
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• 1340[12:10:22] <__m4ch1n3__> in my case when interfaces did strange "things" it usually was network-manager
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• 1342[12:11:41] <Ulrar> Alright, disabling dad in pre-up solves it
• 1343[12:11:49] <Ulrar> Guess we just have to do that for everything then
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• 1345[12:12:16] <__m4ch1n3__> nm became to complex with to many things build in in my opinion, lil bit like systemd but not that hard
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• 1347[12:12:48] <kaizoku> i use my laptop on a wide variety of wifi networks, so having the applet is super handy
• 1348[12:12:51] <kaizoku> idk if i could give that up
• 1349[12:13:57] <__m4ch1n3__> well i play some fps games online over wlans to, could not figure out how to disble periodic ap's scanning which cuses periodic lag spikies
• 1350[12:14:01] <Ulrar> I just use wpa_supplicant
• 1351[12:14:11] <Ulrar> With the new wpa_cli it's pretty good
• 1352[12:14:21] <__m4ch1n3__> ping goes for a mom from 50 to 500 every 1 or 2 mnutes
• 1353[12:15:16] <kaizoku> hmm, maybe i should try systemd-networkd
• 1354[12:15:16] <__m4ch1n3__> without nm i tend to have a very stable ping rate
• 1355[12:16:12] <__m4ch1n3__> guess its not noticable when using it foe webbrowser and regular stuff
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• 1357[12:16:22] <__m4ch1n3__> but in games it sucks
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• 1359[12:16:48] <kaizoku> yea i haven't noticed, but i don't play networked game on my linux system so often
• 1360[12:17:59] <__m4ch1n3__> what game? think one wouldnt notice that in mmorpg's to but in assaultcube or csgo every millisecond latency counts
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• 1362[12:18:23] <kaizoku> systemd has a nameserver too..?
• 1363[12:18:35] <kaizoku> ah sorry, i mean i don't play networked games on my linux system generally
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• 1365[12:19:04] <kaizoku> well, i guess i do, but on a wired desktop, not on this laptop
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• 1379[12:26:53] <lenarhoyt_> Hi. I'd like to install a package for arch linux that installs to /usr/, e.g. /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/. Is this compatible with Debian? I've seen the native package installs to /lib/udev/rules.d instead.
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• 1386[12:32:25] <lenarhoyt_> It looks like the directory structure is indeed different between Arch and Debian: replaced-url
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• 1388[12:33:02] <lenarhoyt_> Looks like I've answered my question myself, thanks self
• 1389[12:33:17] <Fox> what package do you want to install ?
• 1390[12:33:47] <lenarhoyt_> wireless-regdb-pentest (2018.10.24-1)
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• 1392[12:34:45] <Fox> and how do you intend to install it on debian ? it's not in the stable repos
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• 1398[12:38:40] <lenarhoyt_> Fox, by adapting PKGBUILD
• 1399[12:39:27] <Fox> you want to build a deb package using arch packaging ?
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• 1450[13:17:41] <Klaus_Dieter> so in order to build a package for a different architecture, is it still best practice to ust duplicate the toolchain inside qemu?
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• 1455[13:18:57] <__m4ch1n3__> heh, guess that depends heavily on the package itself
• 1456[13:19:18] <__m4ch1n3__> some packages contain only a /bin/ shell script
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• 1463[13:24:00] <Klaus_Dieter> the package is to be built with cmake and gcc
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• 1469[13:27:55] <Klaus_Dieter> I am building for arm - at the moment I have my jenkins ssh to a raspberrypi build the package there and retrieve it. However as a Jenkinsfile sitting in an open source project this is not adequate. I want the build to be reproducibl without replicating my network conditions
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• 1471[13:28:21] <dx_ob> hello
• 1472[13:28:30] <dx_ob> im installing debian for my brother
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• 1476[13:29:06] <dx_ob> is the testing version too new now ? how old and stable is it ?
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• 1480[13:31:39] <__m4ch1n3__> dont know much about cross compiling but you can multistrap minimal debian systems to filesystems inside image files pretty fast and create build enviroments in diffrent archs
• 1481[13:31:42] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 1482[13:32:30] <__m4ch1n3__> guess doing it in qemu with an reprodcable imageisnt a bad idea
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• 1484[13:33:36] <__m4ch1n3__> multistrap lets you configure which packages are installed so you dont need to manualy install it in vm
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• 1487[13:34:35] <__m4ch1n3__> guess it also depends which archs
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• 1522[14:05:21] <shadow__> how are you?
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• 1528[14:08:50] <hams> peachy
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• 1536[14:12:43] <Piraty> hi. i am setting up debian containers automatically and need to install packages. in the case of davfs2, it prompts for a decision. how could i circumvent this (ideally by providinv my favourite choice rather than default)
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• 1538[14:13:29] <Piraty> i install like this:
• 1539[14:13:29] <Piraty> install_debian() { cmd "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -yq install $@" ; }
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• 1541[14:14:02] <Piraty> calling it via "install debian davfs2"
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• 1548[14:18:12] <manyak> is there any way to install ubuntu's add-apt-repository command in to debian 9 ?
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• 1552[14:21:23] <rant> manyak: back up several steps to what you are actually trying to do, because we are not going to assist you with doing something highly destructive
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• 1557[14:22:58] <manyak> i did not do anything yet
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• 1561[14:23:31] <manyak> in this case i will definitely not touch the system
• 1562[14:23:40] <rant> and so far your only problem is coming here with your mind too far down a rabbit hole
• 1563[14:23:46] <manyak> happy to add sources manually
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• 1565[14:24:04] <rant> do NOT add ubuntu ppa sources to your apt sources
• 1566[14:24:27] <manyak> not ubuntu sources but other ppa's of such programs
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• 1568[14:25:15] <EdePopede> manyak: are they guaranteed to not overwrite files installed by apt?
• 1569[14:25:15] <rant> are you going to quit being foolish and tell us what has you doing this so we can try help?'
• 1570[14:25:22] <manyak> i just wanted to make things easier if possible but seems not possible
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• 1576[14:26:31] <manyak> there are some websites who provide icons and themes
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• 1578[14:26:42] <manyak> i only use their ppa's on sources.list that's all
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• 1580[14:26:51] <rant> DATA files are NOT worth breaking your system over
• 1581[14:26:59] <rant> there are easier ways to go about this
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• 1584[14:27:23] <rant> manyak: can you give us an example of such a thing?
• 1585[14:27:51] <manyak> no need to talk about this further
• 1586[14:28:06] <rant> famous last words
• 1587[14:28:16] <manyak> i'm gonna download the themes and icons install them manually
• 1588[14:28:49] <manyak> how do i silence this beep
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• 1590[14:28:57] <manyak> that's the question
• 1591[14:29:05] <EdePopede> cut the cable
• 1592[14:29:10] <EdePopede> what beep?
• 1593[14:29:17] <manyak> beep sound
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• 1595[14:29:36] <EdePopede> completely? cut the cable.
• 1596[14:29:50] <manyak> i don't understand that reference
• 1597[14:29:51] <EdePopede> or find out why it is beeping and change some setting
• 1598[14:30:45] <Haohmaru> could it be PC buzzer beeping on certain keyboard actions in certain text fields?
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• 1600[14:30:46] <EdePopede> computers beep for many reasons. could be a message in irc but also warning you that the cpu is overheating
• 1601[14:31:13] <Haohmaru> ..or that you can't backspace any more than that
• 1602[14:31:58] <manyak> Haohmaru, that's the case
• 1603[14:32:20] <Haohmaru> no idea how to turn that off, but i don't mind it
• 1604[14:32:23] <mutante> test PC speaker: for freq in $(seq 1000 10000); do beep -f $freq -l 100; done
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• 1608[14:36:47] <EdePopede> xterm beeps on BSP at start of line, there's visual beep. also does hexchat, should be a gtk thing.
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• 1628[14:47:24] <manyak> all good
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• 1632[14:50:11] <Tenkawa> wow the newest usb connection speeds over usb-c connections are just scary
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• 1636[14:51:25] <Tenkawa> hooked up my first 3.1 flash drive last night and it is lightning
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• 1652[14:58:02] <Tenkawa> I think an op is going to have to temporarily disallow that client
• 1653[14:58:28] <Tenkawa> or its going to just keep cycling
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• 1664[15:00:05] <Tenkawa> abrotman: thanks
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• 1668[15:02:08] <Tenkawa> apparently there's a pool of servers
• 1669[15:02:14] <Tenkawa> now its on 03
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• 1946[17:50:16] <jelly> ,v restic
• 1947[17:50:17] <judd> Package: restic on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.3-1+b2; sid: 0.9.4+ds-1; buster: 0.9.4+ds-2
• 1948[17:50:27] <jelly> huh. buster has newer version than sid.
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• 1950[17:51:48] <petn-randall> jelly: replaced-url
• 1951[17:52:03] <petn-randall> Not sure where judd is pulling the data from.
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• 1954[17:53:51] <jelly> I could make a suggestion but it would not be very polite
• 1955[17:54:02] <petn-randall> TLA?
• 1956[17:54:11] <petn-randall> well, not an acronym. :)
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• 1958[17:55:00] <jelly> in any case, it's go, so, no runtime deps to speak of, so, I can be evil
• 1959[17:55:08] * jelly does an evil thing
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• 1969[18:01:45] <martin-_-_> hi
• 1970[18:01:49] <martin-_-_> I get on building gnutls
• 1971[18:02:00] <martin-_-_> certtool-cfg.c:520:29: error: 'LLONG_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function)
• 1972[18:02:13] <martin-_-_> is my compiler too old? I'm using gcc 4.6
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• 1976[18:05:19] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: Check their documentation what the requirements are.
• 1977[18:05:43] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: So you are still compiling libraries by hand?
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• 1995[18:13:02] <martin-_-_> petn-randall yes
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• 2004[18:17:39] <petn-randall> What was the reason again?
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• 2009[18:19:38] <f-a> If I do: sleep 5s && echo "foo"
• 2010[18:20:11] <f-a> everything works correctly. But if I close the terminal (rather, kill the tmux pane) then the action after `sleep` gets never triggered
• 2011[18:20:42] <f-a> what's the way to avoid this? Or rather: I need to inkove a program in 20 minutes, how to do that?
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• 2016[18:22:37] <petn-randall> f-a: Depends on what exact goal you want to achieve.
• 2017[18:23:01] <jhutchins_wk> f-a: Use the at command.
• 2018[18:23:11] <jhutchins_wk> f-a: That's what it's for.
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• 2021[18:23:39] <greycat> "at" if you need it to run at a specific time no matter what, even if you logout or reboot in between
• 2022[18:23:40] <petn-randall> (or cron, or screen, depending on the use case)
• 2023[18:23:54] <greycat> just "sleep 20m; foo" might be enough if you don't expect to close that terminal
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• 2025[18:24:35] <jhutchins_wk> I suppose you could also put it in a script, background it, and detatch it, but that seems like a lot of bother when there's at.
• 2026[18:24:58] <greycat> you don't even need a script for that. (sleep 20m; foo) & disown
• 2027[18:25:06] <greycat> but that won't survive a reboot
• 2028[18:25:08] <f-a> petn-randall: isn't screen a terminal multiplexer like tmux?
• 2029[18:25:18] <f-a> greycat: I don't care about reboot
• 2030[18:25:26] <f-a> so disown will do it?
• 2031[18:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> f-a: Yeah, but it can maintain a session while you disonnect.
• 2032[18:25:28] <petn-randall> Yeah, indeed, my brain skipped the tmux part.
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• 2039[18:27:54] <f-a> excellent , disown worked, thanks everyone
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• 2041[18:28:35] <f-a> is there a way to fg the disowned process?
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• 2043[18:28:55] <greycat> No. That's precisely what disown *means* - it removes the job from the shell's list of jobs.
• 2044[18:29:09] <f-a> good
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• 2048[18:29:37] <greycat> That's why the screen suggestion was given. You can launch a (new) screen session, run the job in that, and detach. Then later you can reattach to that session to see the output, or not.
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• 2051[18:29:52] <greycat> I'm sure tmux has some equiv but I don't know tmux.
• 2052[18:30:00] <f-a> good
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• 2090[18:48:14] <Tenkawa> Any recommendations on a good debian approved bare metal solution for usb boot and mmc backup image?
• 2091[18:48:43] <Tenkawa> is there a utility out there for that out already in debian's archives?
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• 2094[18:50:50] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: To boot the installer from usb? Or what exactly are you trying to do?
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• 2097[18:51:52] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: just bare metal backup/restore all in one solution kind of like clonezilla except supported
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• 2099[18:53:12] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: What is a "backup/restore all in one solution" for you?
• 2100[18:53:15] <Tenkawa> the main problem I have with my backup solution right now is the UUID handling if I need to restore it
• 2101[18:53:32] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: clonezilla is a package in Debian, so why not use that if that's what you want?
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• 2104[18:53:59] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: because it mangles the uuids
• 2105[18:54:13] <petn-randall> How?
• 2106[18:54:18] <cryptodan> Tenkawa: clonezilla bit for bit backup
• 2107[18:54:46] <Tenkawa> rather it "doesnt"
• 2108[18:54:58] <Tenkawa> so I cant make "multiple"
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• 2111[18:55:35] <Tenkawa> like I said. I can get around it manually
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• 2122[18:58:02] <Tenkawa> I know I'm not explaining well.. my brain is not behaving well today..
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• 2124[18:58:30] <Tenkawa> i'll try again I'm not getting pummeled by the weather fronts
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• 2199[19:43:05] <Gigglebyte> There is a need to reinstate firefox-esr in Debian Backports for stretch. Although firefox-esr is now part of Debian's repository firefox-esr is not sufficiently up to date to where all sites can run the current versioin without problems. The current version is 66, but firefox-esr is only 60.6 in Debian Stretch Backports. I am now receiving error messages from various sites that I run suggesting the program isn't sufficiently
• 2200[19:43:06] <Gigglebyte> up-to-date.
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• 2204[19:43:56] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
• 2205[19:43:57] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.6.1esr-1
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• 2207[19:44:29] <greycat> !firefox-esr
• 2208[19:44:29] <dpkg> In stable, firefox-esr (Extended Support Release) will be updated to the next release when the old version is no longer supported by Mozilla; this is normally forced by a security update and often breaks many packaged extensions. In testing/unstable firefox-esr is updated after having matured in experimental for a suitable time.
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• 2212[19:45:04] <greycat> 60.6 is presumably still supported upstream, therefore the transition to the next ESR series is not mandated yet
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• 2215[19:45:47] <jelly> 60esr has like 4-5 months of life still
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• 2218[19:46:31] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2219[19:46:42] <jelly> Gigglebyte: there is no 66ESR at all
• 2220[19:46:57] <greycat> 68 ESR doesn't even exist yet
• 2221[19:47:25] <Gigglebyte> jelly> I am aware of that which is why I would like to see backports reintroduced. The current version of firefox-esr is not new enough.
• 2222[19:47:35] <greycat> Then use upstream.
• 2223[19:47:55] <greycat> (I strongly disagree with your final sentence, as well.)
• 2224[19:47:59] <jelly> Gigglebyte: you may be thinking of Mozilla's "release" branch, which is at 66 right now, the package for _that_ would be called "firefox" and not "firefox-esr"
• 2225[19:48:10] <greycat> ,v firefox
• 2226[19:48:11] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 64.0-1
• 2227[19:48:31] <greycat> I think that's what he's asking for. "My users whine because the version numbers could be LARGER!!!!"
• 2228[19:48:35] <Gigglebyte> jelly> I am aware of that too but raise the issue of backports because there are too many website issuing compatibility warnings.
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• 2230[19:48:50] <greycat> Fuck them.
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• 2232[19:49:12] <greycat> Is this 1999? Are we still getting "Best view in Internet Explorer"...?
• 2233[19:49:37] <jelly> Gigglebyte: foo-backports only do ports from debian release foo+1 to foo, ie. from buster to stretch
• 2234[19:49:54] <Gigglebyte> ok
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• 2238[19:50:56] <jelly> Gigglebyte: and Mozilla's release branch cannot reasonably comply with Debian's support requirement. It has newer versions too often. Noone wants or can do work to ship it in Debian, even if policy allowed it
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• 2241[19:52:01] <jelly> Ubuntu chose to have different policies, so they ship firefox release, even in their LTS branches
• 2242[19:52:53] <tharkun> Good $DAY for a very long time vim has worked as a charm, yet recently I recieved a png file that seems to have borked it somehow since it is segfaulting at a random pace. Any suggestions on how to debug this? I have not installed any new pluggins and I try to stay up to date on the security isues of such plugins.
• 2243[19:53:00] <jelly> thus breaking my precious extensions altogether too often. However ubuntu, windows or osx users seem to have gotten used to that.
• 2244[19:53:36] <jelly> tharkun: surely it's not the png file that is segfaulting, but a tool doing something with it?
• 2245[19:53:51] <Gigglebyte> jelly> speaking of support I have run into a lot of trouble running Debian 9.8 I can't get thunderbird and a bunch of other programs to install. Yet I have no problem at all with Debian stable 9.07 Would someone be able to help me install Thunderbird in 9.8? I am not on the system that has 9.8 installed so I might want to reach out to you again later today. This morning I am doing some work so I need my 9.07 since it is the
• 2246[19:53:52] <Gigglebyte> only laptop that has everything working.
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• 2248[19:53:57] <jelly> oh, vim
• 2249[19:54:02] * jelly can't read
• 2250[19:54:06] <tharkun> jelly: By default I use imagemagick to open such files.
• 2251[19:55:14] <jelly> Gigglebyte: to help with such issues we typically need output of some commands run on the affected system, so ask again when you have access and can put outputs into pastebins
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• 2254[19:56:36] <Gigglebyte> jelly> It would be best if I reach out to you later today. The errors I get are that there are missing dependencies and that I am running broken packages. However, the missing packages are not available for download. This is the error I receive. As stated earlier I don't have that problem with earlier versions of Stretch, but 9.8 has been problematic.
• 2255[19:56:38] <tharkun> jelly: FTR I usually use vim under tmux with a very simple config.
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• 2257[19:57:24] <jelly> Gigglebyte: we'll need exact and complete output of these:
• 2258[19:57:31] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 2259[19:57:31] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2260[19:57:44] <tharkun> Gigglebyte: The update/installation process should warn you about those with nice red letters. You might need to paste them somewhere for people to have the info required.
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• 2262[19:58:10] <Gigglebyte> tharkun> Ok, I will contact you later today after I am on the laptop with the problem.
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• 2265[20:02:00] <tharkun> jelly: signal SEGV is the one recieved by vim FTR and suggestions
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• 2272[20:03:17] <tharkun> Gigglebyte: Thanks for the compliment, there are people more versed in debian than myself. Feel free to ask when you are ready and someone will answer gladly.
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• 2299[20:15:04] <longshot> Anybody know who's in charge of this?
• 2300[20:15:07] <longshot> E: Release file for replaced-url
• 2301[20:15:14] <greycat> You.
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• 2303[20:15:22] <longshot> What do I need to change?
• 2304[20:15:29] <longshot> Am I missing a key?
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• 2309[20:15:58] <greycat> I would do the same thing as in replaced-url
• 2310[20:16:04] <greycat> Just with jessie instead of squeeze.
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• 2312[20:16:51] <Klaus_Dieter> I am building a debian package using jenkins. Now I have a clash between the version number that dch claims to manage and the build number that jenkins actually is using. I could see a solution in using the jenkins build number in the local suffix of the package. however when working with dch -l, dch will append another "1" to the local suffix. From the documentation I cannot see a way to prevent
• 2313[20:16:57] <Klaus_Dieter> that.
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• 2315[20:17:08] <Klaus_Dieter> What is the best practice here?
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• 2318[20:17:46] <longshot> greycat: Ignoring signatures doesn't seem like a great idea. Then again, I'm the one running a non-maintained release.
• 2319[20:18:33] <Klaus_Dieter> I see benefit in dch managing the version number from the changelog file, at the same time dch does not know about the enkins build numbers and since those are local builds there needs to be some information about it in the package version
• 2320[20:19:03] <Sleaker> Klaus_Dieter: yah not sure what I'd suggest there.
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• 2323[20:19:52] <Sleaker> Klaus_Dieter: have you tried with -r ?
• 2324[20:19:59] <Sleaker> sorry -R
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• 2326[20:20:16] <Sleaker> or are you using that already
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• 2329[20:20:45] <longshot> greycat: Thanks, that'll get me by for a couple of weeks until I can reprovision these.
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• 2332[20:21:28] <Klaus_Dieter> I could just forget about local builds and always use the lowest part of the 3-section version number a.b.c as a build number
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• 2334[20:21:42] <Sleaker> Klaus_Dieter: are you using -a or -i ?
• 2335[20:22:03] <Klaus_Dieter> at the moment I am using dch -l "local" "local_build"
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• 2337[20:22:19] <Klaus_Dieter> but planning on using -i to get actuall content releases going
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• 2339[20:22:44] <Sleaker> hmm that seems straightforward, I think dch might just always add the 1 to the suffix similar to how -i assumes 'build1' for the suffix
• 2340[20:22:44] <OS-42889> /msg NickServ REGISTER <giodan> <danilomichelucci@gmail.com>
• 2341[20:23:07] <OS-42889> /msg NickServ REGISTER giodan danilomichelucci@gmail.com
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• 2343[20:23:24] <Sleaker> Klaus_Dieter: I'm unsure why you would want to version the jenkins build number into the dch version that's generated though
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• 2345[20:23:35] <greycat> OS-42889: you must remove the leading space(s)
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• 2347[20:24:05] <Sleaker> although, I don't use dch for any of my package management since they're private stuff :-/
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• 2349[20:25:25] <Klaus_Dieter> Sleaker: maybe I don't want to e the jenkins build number. I am undecided yet. Just that my jenkins will upload to a package repository.
• 2350[20:25:57] <Klaus_Dieter> this package repository contains "development type" packages that usually are expected to be broken.
• 2351[20:26:02] <Klaus_Dieter> I guess I could call it sid
• 2352[20:26:20] <Klaus_Dieter> at one point in time there is going to be some stabilization and a minor release is made
• 2353[20:26:31] <Klaus_Dieter> at which point the package will be uploaded to a different package repo
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• 2409[21:01:11] <Klaus_Dieter> I think I must be doing something wrong. When increasing the version number from the build pipeline, I would have to commit back to git from my build process. I do not think this is a good idea.
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• 2411[21:01:51] <Klaus_Dieter> however. When not increasing the version number from the build pipeline I will get version clashes in my deb repo
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• 2417[21:03:03] <Klaus_Dieter> that is why I thought of using the jenkins build number. it keeps the state in a sense that it allows to build a new package version without actually releasing it in terms of a new application release with the changelog
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• 2441[21:13:32] <foormea> hi all. i have a strange behaviour on debian 9.8 (with OMV4 installed, although i don't think it matters). i've configured mode "g" for wake on lan via magic packets, and it wakes the computer just fine when it's off, however it's not taking it out of sleep (nothing happens) UNLESS i manually restart the networking service via systemctl restart networking
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• 2443[21:13:54] <foormea> do you know how i could go and troubleshoot that?
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• 2478[21:28:22] <Klaus_Dieter> maybe the answer is "not use dch when doing builds from jenkins" but then how do I generate the version number in a sane way?
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• 2490[21:32:58] <coyotesays> DAE debian??? <3
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• 2502[21:38:48] <androidhelp> hi, I just installed stable (coming from xubuntu) and I really don't want to break my system. Can I uninstall thunar (installed nemo)
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• 2504[21:39:23] <greycat> I'm sure removing thunar will not break your system's ability to boot. Can't say anything about it breaking your desktop.
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• 2506[21:39:57] <coyotesays> esp if you use synaptic shouldn't it be all good?
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• 2508[21:40:10] <coyotesays> good reason to check synaptic imho
• 2509[21:40:12] <androidhelp> I used synaptic to install
• 2510[21:40:13] <androidhelp> nemo
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• 2513[21:40:35] <coyotesays> i'm no expert (i have another distro based on Deb so not exactly Deb)
• 2514[21:40:49] <coyotesays> but seems like synaptic is dummie proof
• 2515[21:40:54] <coyotesays> ?
• 2516[21:40:58] <androidhelp> I also want to replace xfalso with a different music manager. aside from that the other stock applications are okay
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• 2518[21:41:05] <greycat> Worst case, if you try it and you can't run your desktop any more, just put it back how it was.
• 2519[21:41:12] <androidhelp> don't want to load my system with too many dependencies
• 2520[21:41:24] <Klaus_Dieter> androidhelp: xfce will run without thunar. you can safely remove it.
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• 2523[21:42:26] <androidhelp> I have noticed that debian comes with a lot of pre-installed software, a lot of which I don't need, would it be risky to remove the apps I don't want
• 2524[21:42:43] <androidhelp> via "sudo apt remove {package}"
• 2525[21:42:54] <greycat> No, Debian comes with whatever you choose.
• 2526[21:43:10] <greycat> During the installation, there's a tasksel dialog where you choose a desktop (or none), ssh server, print server, etc.
• 2527[21:43:27] <greycat> Many of us un-check the desktop stuff there.
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• 2534[21:44:20] <androidhelp> I chose the xfce desktop, but I must have missed something because I have a lot of applications like the thai language terminal and "khmer converter" etc
• 2535[21:44:33] <greycat> Desktop Environments bring in a LOT
• 2536[21:44:34] <androidhelp> things that I have no use for, I want a simple system
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• 2538[21:44:43] <androidhelp> oh
• 2539[21:44:58] <greycat> Go ahead and remove whatever you feel like removing.
• 2540[21:45:08] <coyotesays> i could nevar evar get rid of my beautiful minimal-style desktop
• 2541[21:45:14] <coyotesays> crunchbang style grey
• 2542[21:45:17] <coyotesays> beauty
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• 2544[21:45:26] <androidhelp> I figured choosing xfce would just install xfce's most basic plugins
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• 2547[21:45:58] <androidhelp> xubuntu had much less out of the box, which is why I was surprised to see so many packages with debian xfce
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• 2550[21:46:22] <anjum> Can't get wifi to work on my x200t, no matter how much I install and reinstall firmware-iwlwifi. I have non-free repos enabled; here is my /etc/apt/sources.list replaced-url
• 2551[21:47:11] <androidhelp> is there a way to reformat with a new install and choose more specifically which packages to include with xfce during the installation gui?
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• 2564[21:54:13] <moruz3382> anjum: Did you get `$ sudo apt update`, '$ sudo apt upgrade`, `$ sudo apt install firmware-iwlwifi` ???
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• 2566[21:54:20] <anjum> Yeha
• 2567[21:54:27] <anjum> moruz3382
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• 2569[21:54:50] <anjum> Yeah, I did that.
• 2570[21:54:50] <androidhelp> is there are iso that's a minimal install of debian xfce? I tried the mini iso but ran into issues after installing "xfce-desktop" because my system wouldn't boot directly into the DE
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• 2572[21:56:08] <moruz3382> anjum: I was facing the same problem, but with stretch version, and it worked for me... What is your STDERR?
• 2573[21:56:18] <moruz3382> *this morning
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• 2576[21:57:17] <Klaus_Dieter> androidhelp: instead of installing xfce-desktop, you could consider installing ust the panel and the other components you are interested in
• 2577[21:57:31] <anjum> moruz3382 What is the stderr
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• 2581[21:58:14] <Klaus_Dieter> xfce-4desktop ist  meant to include everything
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• 2583[21:59:08] <moruz3382> anjum: your process error information
• 2584[21:59:48] <androidhelp> klaus_dieter: ok, I'll try that. I just don't know how to set up my system so it will boot directly into xfce/the login screen instead of tty
• 2585[22:00:11] <anjum> I am getting no errors, it's just that wicd is not reporting my wireless card
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• 2587[22:00:29] <Sleaker> androidhelp: iirc there's a tasksel you can use to install xfce properly from disc
• 2588[22:00:34] <anjum> lspci indicates its existence , though
• 2589[22:01:06] <androidhelp> sleaker: that's exactly what I'm looking for. Do you have a link to a tutorial?
• 2590[22:01:38] <Sleaker> ahh I was thinking of lxde
• 2591[22:01:56] <anjum> moruz3382
• 2592[22:02:00] <greycat> androidhelp: it's literally called "tasksel"
• 2593[22:02:04] <Sleaker> is there not an xfce-desktop tasksel?
• 2594[22:02:16] <greycat> it's an interactive program; you run it as root
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• 2596[22:03:40] <androidhelp> greycat: so I install debian minimal iso, run it, and in tty run what command to install the tasksle
• 2597[22:03:45] <androidhelp> *tasksel
• 2598[22:03:49] <Sleaker> androidhelp: replaced-url
• 2599[22:03:53] <moruz3382> anjum: System sees hardware?
• 2600[22:04:11] <greycat> tasksel is just one of the ways to install more stuff. You can also simply run "apt install whatever" on the command line.
• 2601[22:04:16] <moruz3382> `$ lspci`
• 2602[22:04:30] <Sleaker> androidhelp: the task you want for xfce is indeed xfce-desktop
• 2603[22:04:38] <Sleaker> it will install the full DE for xfce
• 2604[22:04:44] <greycat> tasksel only has a few choices, and then tend to be huge bundles of crap^H^H^H^Hfine desktop applications
• 2605[22:04:54] <rant> uh.. xfce-desktop is not a "task"
• 2606[22:05:07] <Sleaker> rant: then the deb wiki is outdated?
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• 2608[22:05:08] <greycat> !install xfce
• 2609[22:05:08] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
• 2610[22:05:15] <rant> the "task" metapackages start with "task-"
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• 2613[22:05:32] <moruz3382> anjum: ok i missed your msg
• 2614[22:05:35] <androidhelp> so the tasksel command basically bundles multiple packages for you into one command?
• 2615[22:05:41] <Sleaker> androidhelp: yes
• 2616[22:05:42] <rant> ,depends task-xfce-desktop
• 2617[22:05:44] <judd> Package task-xfce-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, xfce4, lightdm, light-locker.
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• 2619[22:05:55] <rant> ,depends xfce-desktop
• 2620[22:05:56] <judd> No package named 'xfce-desktop' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2621[22:06:10] <Sleaker> rant: hmm, well then wiki is giving out misinformation
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• 2623[22:06:15] <Sleaker> ,depends lxde-desktop
• 2624[22:06:16] <judd> No package named 'lxde-desktop' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2625[22:06:20] <Sleaker> lxde-desktop IS a task
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• 2629[22:06:52] <Sleaker> you can tasksel it during a preseed file. so clearly there's a discrepency between the actual package names that get selected and task names used with tasksel
• 2630[22:06:54] <androidhelp> i installed xfce by selected it during the package selection page of the system install
• 2631[22:06:59] <rant> if you are using tasksel it doesn't use the actual package names
• 2632[22:07:15] <Sleaker> rant: sure. and I was saying xfce-desktop is a task. not a package.
• 2633[22:07:17] <androidhelp> but it installed a bunc of unnecessary packages with xfce
• 2634[22:07:24] <androidhelp> I just want a simple xfce
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• 2636[22:07:37] <Sleaker> androidhelp: DEs are't 'simple' they include a bunch of packages.
• 2637[22:07:38] <androidhelp> and to install a few packages on top of it based on what I use
• 2638[22:07:43] <greycat> androidhelp: "apt install xorg xfce4"
• 2639[22:08:35] <androidhelp> sleaker: I just want a panel with some xfce plugins, a terminal, and the whisker menu,
• 2640[22:09:04] <Sleaker> androidhelp: did lightdm get installed with your xfce4-desktop installation?
• 2641[22:09:09] <androidhelp> all i need on top of the is firefox, a music manager, vlc, nemo, photo viewer, and libreoffice
• 2642[22:09:12] <Sleaker> if not, then that's probably why it's not working.
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• 2644[22:09:30] <moruz3382> anjum: no idea :/
• 2645[22:09:46] <Sleaker> xfce4 doesn't have it's own DM to pull up a session. hence why the task installs lightdm and light-locker
• 2646[22:09:53] <androidhelp> sleaker: with my current install, I have a full working xfce DE, I just don't like the additional pakcages
• 2647[22:09:56] <androidhelp> *packages
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• 2649[22:10:03] <Sleaker> androidhelp: then strip out what you don't want
• 2650[22:10:16] <Sleaker> androidhelp: most of the packages are necessary.
• 2651[22:10:17] <androidhelp> sleaker, just don't want to break my desktop
• 2652[22:10:23] <androidhelp> maybe would be best to start over
• 2653[22:10:24] <Sleaker> androidhelp: then don't strip out stuff?
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• 2655[22:10:38] <Sleaker> androidhelp: I think you'll find that you'll end up installing 95% of what already got installed with the task
• 2656[22:10:39] <moruz3382> anjum: tried: $ apt install firmware-linux-nonfree ???
• 2657[22:10:55] <androidhelp> well yeah, I'm trying to prevent problems because I don't normally use debianm
• 2658[22:11:23] <rant> I'm sorry to hear that :P
• 2659[22:11:29] <Sleaker> androidhelp: it's not really any different than getting xfce4 on another distro. you still need all the same pieces to make it work.
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• 2661[22:12:00] <androidhelp> so I have to lookup what is included in "apt install xorg xfce4"
• 2662[22:12:05] <anjum> moruz3382 I will try that ot
• 2663[22:12:28] <androidhelp> (what packages come with xfce4)
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• 2665[22:13:09] <anjum> Gonna reboot, brb
• 2666[22:13:10] <fries> hey guys
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• 2670[22:13:25] <greycat> androidhelp: there's no *easy* way to learn that. The easiest one I can think of would be to create a brand new Debian installation in a chroot using debootstrap, and then do "apt-get -u install xfce4" inside it and see what it wants to grab.
• 2671[22:13:28] <Sleaker> androidhelp: I mean a quick dpkg -l | grep to sift through what's installed would probably suffice.
• 2672[22:14:07] <Sleaker> but for the most part the only thing that you wont need that gets installed that is under the xfce namescheme is just panel plugins
• 2673[22:14:19] <Sleaker> basically everything else is going to be mandatory to having a functional desktop.
• 2674[22:14:25] <androidhelp> oh ok
• 2675[22:14:45] <androidhelp> then I'm not sure why I ended up with all of these additional applications with my current system
• 2676[22:14:47] <Sleaker> like xfce is a lightweight DE for a reason.
• 2677[22:14:53] <Sleaker> androidhelp: what additional applications?
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• 2679[22:15:12] <Sleaker> you keep saying it installed a bunch of extra stuff, but do you have an example of something you're not sure about?
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• 2683[22:15:46] <anjum> moruz3382 still nothing
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• 2686[22:17:30] <androidhelp> sleaker: several dictionaries (e.g. "anthy dictionary editor"), "ex falso" for renaming and tagging audio files, gimp, "quod libet" music manager, "xfburn," "icedtea web control panel" etc
• 2687[22:17:42] <androidhelp> "xsane image scanning"
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• 2689[22:17:55] <anjum> Maybe this is a bug with debian stretch(?)
• 2690[22:17:57] <Sleaker> androidhelp: yup. those are part of the default xfce stuff.
• 2691[22:18:06] <androidhelp> oh ok
• 2692[22:18:11] <Sleaker> androidhelp: also dictionary stuff will get installed with libreoffice
• 2693[22:18:32] <anjum> *buster
• 2694[22:18:51] <androidhelp> sleaker: so "sudo apt install xfce4" will give me all of those packages?
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• 2696[22:19:25] <greycat> you can trace the dependencies by hand to try to find out. or you can do what I said earlier about the chroot.
• 2697[22:19:27] <androidhelp> xubuntu seemed to strip out a lot of those added xfce packages
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• 2699[22:19:40] <greycat> you will also recall that I said the chroot would be the *easier*
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• 2701[22:19:45] <Sleaker> androidhelp: pretty sure it does if you let it install the suggets.
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• 2703[22:20:02] <Sleaker> androidhelp: and no, xubuntu doesn't it just has a different mix of them
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• 2705[22:20:33] <Sleaker> xubuntu just ships with slightly different default applications than a default xfce desktop env
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• 2707[22:20:40] <moruz3382> anjum: my sources file replaced-url
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• 2709[22:21:04] <anjum> Yeah, I meant to say buster
• 2710[22:21:12] <androidhelp> greycat: probably not an option for me considering my limited technical skills with the terminal. I have been using xubuntu for like 5 years before now moving to debian but I honestly still only have a basic understanding of linux in general. I can get by just by knowing basic synaptic commands
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• 2713[22:21:45] <Sleaker> androidhelp: I think you're worrying too much about the default application mix.
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• 2715[22:22:21] <androidhelp> sleaker: I guess I'll just ignore what I don't want instead of uninstalling or installing a "cleaner" more stripped down system
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• 2717[22:23:01] <Sleaker> if you didn't do the same with xubuntu then why are you doing it with debian + xfce?
• 2718[22:23:07] <Sleaker> just my thought
• 2719[22:23:16] <moruz3382> anjum: its still at testing stage... is any chance tou downloaded firmware but maybe not activated it?
• 2720[22:23:26] <Sleaker> like did you go through the xubuntu default applications and start asking why each one is installed and removing it if you didn't use it?
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• 2723[22:23:44] <anjum> moruz3382 I'm trying to run modprobe, but I don't even have modprobe installed.
• 2724[22:23:48] <androidhelp> sleaker: I used the xubuntu mini iso which strips out a lot of those xfce applications and leaves you with firefox, terminal emulator, and notepad, etc a few others
• 2725[22:24:02] <greycat> anjum: I doubt that.
• 2726[22:24:06] <anjum> I tried installing modutils, but it doesn't 'have any installation candidates'
• 2727[22:24:29] <androidhelp> there's an option for "xubuntu minimal install" as a flavor in the ubuntu installation disk
• 2728[22:24:31] <Sleaker> androidhelp: Xubuntu core?
• 2729[22:24:34] <androidhelp> yeah
• 2730[22:24:41] <androidhelp> sleaker: xubuntu core I meant
• 2731[22:24:44] <greycat> anjum: in stretch /sbin/modprobe is in "kmod"
• 2732[22:24:58] <moruz3382> anjum: i wanted to ask it about
• 2733[22:25:01] <Sleaker> androidhelp: yah debian doesn't ship with installation targets like that. if you want a functionally equivalent stripped down environment you have to manually piece together the DE/WM yourself.
• 2734[22:25:08] <moruz3382> modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi ??
• 2735[22:25:36] <Sleaker> also xubuntu may have trimmed down package dependencies to make it work properly like that.
• 2736[22:25:49] <androidhelp> sleaker: xubuntu core is ideal for me in every way except for the fact that it runs on top of ubuntu and not debian. I want to use debian exclusively now because I like the debian project's values
• 2737[22:25:58] <Sleaker> androidhelp: sure.
• 2738[22:26:10] <moruz3382> anjum: i dont have modprobe too...
• 2739[22:26:17] <anjum> moruz3382 greycat su-ing and running '/sbin/modprobe -r iwlwifi' yields 'modprobe: FATAL: Module iwlwifi is in use.'
• 2740[22:26:26] <androidhelp> sleaker, thanks for clarifying though
• 2741[22:26:29] <anjum> So that's even more baffling.
• 2742[22:26:33] <Sleaker> androidhelp: no problem!
• 2743[22:26:36] <moruz3382> reboot?
• 2744[22:27:06] <greycat> anjum: bring down the interfaces first? I don't know much about wireless.
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• 2746[22:27:31] <anjum> I've done many reboots
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• 2749[22:27:44] <anjum> And the interface doesn't seem to be up
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• 2752[22:29:58] <Sleaker> anjum: maybe need to rmmod first?
• 2753[22:30:19] <anjum> root@thinkpad:/home/aj# /sbin/rmmod iwlwifi
• 2754[22:30:19] <anjum> rmmod: ERROR: Module iwlwifi is in use by: iwldvm
• 2755[22:30:27] <anjum> Weird
• 2756[22:30:27] <Sleaker> oh modprobe -r is the same thing.
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• 2759[22:30:52] <Sleaker> but it atleast gives you more information
• 2760[22:31:00] <Sleaker> can you remove iwldvm
• 2761[22:31:41] <anjum> Alright. I think I removed it.
• 2762[22:31:47] <anjum> dvm that is
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• 2765[22:32:40] <anjum> Just ran /sbin/modprobe -r iwlwifi after that, that yielded no errors, but hasn't fixed anything.
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• 2767[22:33:14] <Sleaker> that's just unloading the kernel module
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• 2770[22:33:40] <Sleaker> rmmod and modprobe -r do the same thing. just 2 different commands to handle unloading the kernel module.
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• 2772[22:34:02] <Sleaker> apparently rmmod was giving better more descriptive output on why it couldn't remove the module :P
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• 2775[22:35:26] <anjum> Alright
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• 2778[22:37:27] <anjum> Don't know what to do.
• 2779[22:37:39] <anjum> Guess this is something for another day at this point.
• 2780[22:37:43] <moruz3382> Me too.
• 2781[22:38:26] <anjum> You see, this all happened after I did a full reinstall of debian so I could encrypt my disk.
• 2782[22:39:07] <anjum> After install, pretty much straight away upgraded to buster.
• 2783[22:39:13] <anjum> While still connected to ethernet
• 2784[22:39:22] <moruz3382> at the beginning i thought that system dont see firmware-iwlwifi in sources list
• 2785[22:39:23] <Sleaker> ah you upgraded to buster?
• 2786[22:39:37] <anjum> sleaker yeah
• 2787[22:40:01] <Sleaker> that may be the source of the problems. you may want to check if there are current compat problems with the kernel and your wifi card on buster.
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• 2790[22:40:25] <Sleaker> I'm not sure how stable buster is atm
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• 2792[22:40:47] <greycat> I've upgraded two desktop systems to buster. One had no problems. The other had problems but I was able to resolve them.
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• 2794[22:40:52] <anjum> Isn't it typically more stable than most GNU/Linux distros.
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• 2796[22:41:40] <anjum> Perhaps I've proved that otherwise, if this problem does happen to be a buster issue.
• 2797[22:41:46] <Sleaker> anjum: well buster is 'testing' right now. and it's explicitly marked as a WIP
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• 2801[22:42:38] <jhutchins_wk> anjum: Testing isn't, especially in mid-freeze.
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• 2805[22:43:14] <Sleaker> yah. I was going to say that it's in the middle of freeze to get all the packages solidified.
• 2806[22:43:39] <greycat> Mid-freeze is when it's the least unstable. Which is different from stable, and also different from bug-free.
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• 2808[22:44:13] <anjum> I'm so mad today. My bike inner tube punctured, so I bought a new one and clearly the shop sold me the wrong size. Now the computer is bad. Nothing is working for me, today.
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• 2811[22:45:13] <anjum> Sitting here, in the living room, tethered to the router for ethernet.
• 2812[22:45:17] <anjum> It's cold here.
• 2813[22:45:20] <anjum> And too louad.
• 2814[22:45:31] <anjum> Need wireless, man.
• 2815[22:45:33] <Sleaker> wired life!
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• 2819[22:46:58] <CaptainN> wired and wireless are both life
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• 2821[22:47:34] <Sleaker> I guess my phone service would be really limited if wireless wasn't life.
• 2822[22:47:58] <Sleaker> about as limiting as it was 25 years ago...
• 2823[22:47:58] <CaptainN> unless you got a landline ;)
• 2824[22:48:13] <Sleaker> I mean. I use google voice, so I just make calls via my heaset at home
• 2825[22:48:17] <CaptainN> yeah long distance charges...thank god that faded off
• 2826[22:48:18] <Sleaker> headset*
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• 2830[22:48:40] <CaptainN> although i still have a landline phone hooked up, i enjoy my wireless devices
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• 2843[23:01:44] <moruz3382> anjum: Make bootable USB stretch installation instead of self piting
• 2844[23:01:54] <moruz3382> :>
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• 2848[23:04:00] <anjum> That's an idea.
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• 2852[23:05:34] <coyotesays> gimp is awesome btw imho
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• 2854[23:06:17] <anjum> I'm dissapointed with how GIMP removed its iconic 'confirm scaling' dialog window.
• 2855[23:06:32] <anjum> That was the only thing that made GIMP relevant to human culture.
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• 2857[23:06:53] <coyotesays> haha wut
• 2858[23:07:22] <bingbotboom3> gimp is awesome
• 2859[23:07:24] <coyotesays> gimp is a different yet useful and powerful program
• 2860[23:07:29] <anjum> replaced-url
• 2861[23:07:33] <coyotesays> bingbotboom3 :]
• 2862[23:08:52] <greycat> I don't get it.
• 2863[23:08:55] <coyotesays> tehee
• 2864[23:09:11] <coyotesays> greycat think about big reactions
• 2865[23:09:14] <coyotesays> so big
• 2866[23:09:25] <coyotesays> hhha
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• 2869[23:10:04] <bingbotboom3> imagemagick also magnificence
• 2870[23:10:18] <coyotesays> never heard of it might checkit
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• 2872[23:11:14] <bingbotboom3> inkscape is da bomb for vectors
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• 2908[23:30:44] <booyah> how to add new panel in Xfce, on bottom? I see no option to make it always ON BOTTOM and take up the space (reduce space for user applications)... wtf
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• 2929[23:39:05] <EdePopede> booyah: panel settings, the +
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• 2933[23:39:32] <EdePopede> and then drag it into the desired position
• 2934[23:40:00] <EdePopede> you may have to unlock it in its context menu
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• 2945[23:46:49] <booyah> EdePopede: it does not snap to bottom border of screen, only to top one
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• 2947[23:47:39] <t3st3r> Maybe you have another panel here already?
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• 2950[23:48:38] <EdePopede> shouldn't be a problem. once i had one fixed and the other one scrolling out of the screen.
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• 2953[23:50:07] <t3st3r> not sure if one can place 2 panels at same place. Well, I only use 1 panel - at bottom, more or less like classic desktop.
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• 2956[23:50:36] <EdePopede> say it: apple ;)
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• 2968[23:57:14] <Neobenedict> any idea if its possible to install wireguard into the initramfs?
• 2969[23:57:49] <Neobenedict> i want to encrypt /
• 2970[23:57:59] <Neobenedict> but be able to decrypt remotely upon reboot
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• 2975[23:59:49] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
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