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180 [02:05:48] <ZaZaGX> hi
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189 [02:10:04] <ZaZaGX> i dislike Ubuntu
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198 [02:15:03] <sleepingforest> welcome to debian
199 [02:15:35] <ZaZaGX> thanks
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216 [02:23:38] <jim> ZaZaGX, do you have a debian installed? if
not, do you want help getting one?
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226 [02:26:41] <ZaZaGX> jim, yes i have debian installed
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229 [02:26:52] <ZaZaGX> at first i had debian firmware non free
installed
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231 [02:27:11] <ZaZaGX> than i decided to format and use the
official iso
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236 [02:30:06] <bmomjian> I just upgraded to Buster and bind9
started but couldn't resolve anything because of
'dnssec-validation auto' in named.conf.options. Is this
expected? I host my own domain.
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261 [02:44:56] <mikeymop> can someone tell me where
'adduser' is located?
262 [02:45:02] <mikeymop> apt says it's already installed
but it's not in my path
263 [02:45:09] <mikeymop> and usermod isn't a packge in
debian repos?
264 [02:45:39] <annadane> on buster, "whereis adduser":
adduser: /usr/sbin/adduser /etc/adduser.conf /usr/share/adduser
/usr/share/man/man8/adduser.8.gz
265 [02:45:49] <annadane> mikeymop, try becoming root with su -
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270 [02:46:36] <annadane> this has tripped up so many people and
we get 9 billion questions a day about it...
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274 [02:49:14] <mikeymop> yea I did su
275 [02:49:16] <mikeymop> was root
276 [02:49:21] <mikeymop> /usr/sbin wasn't in roots path by
default
277 [02:49:25] <mikeymop> it was in sbin
278 [02:49:37] <annadane> su -, not su
279 [02:49:44] <annadane> or su -l
280 [02:49:47] <mikeymop> I got it going already
281 [02:49:49] <mikeymop> just su works too though
282 [02:49:56] <mikeymop> normally I do su -i
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285 [02:51:53] <annadane> ...what is su -i?
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287 [02:54:15] <jim> annadane, spawn a root shell
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289 [02:54:44] <jim> oh, that's actually suDO -i
290 [02:55:07] <annadane> right, not su
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349 [03:45:55] <ZedHeadTed|> Do you guys accept MX Linux
questions?
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352 [03:49:20] <peterrooney> dpkg: mxlinux
353 [03:49:20] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian
stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at
replaced-url
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366 [03:59:50] <ZedHeadTed|> 10-4. Thanks.
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381 [04:11:16] <ZaZaGX> hi
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447 [05:11:20] <eblip> hey i added my user to a group..but when i
type groups the group does not show up
448 [05:11:30] <eblip> but when i look in /etc/group i am in the
group
449 [05:11:40] <karlpinc> eblip: You need to logout and back in.
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453 [05:12:02] <eblip> hmm, if i just close and open a terminal
will that suffice
454 [05:12:05] <karlpinc> eblip: (The thing to type is
"id".)
455 [05:12:17] <eblip> in what way karlpinc
456 [05:12:23] <eblip> "id" ?
457 [05:12:26] <karlpinc> eblip: Probably not. Try it.
458 [05:12:56] <eblip> wow id is a nice command
459 [05:13:04] <karlpinc> eblip: id is the most informative and
readily available comand to tell you about your login info.
460 [05:13:59] <karlpinc> eblip: (But don't type commands
given you by strangers without first knowing what they do.
"man" is your friend, as is "man less".)
461 [05:14:20] <eblip> yes ok
462 [05:14:35] <karlpinc> Anyway, try opening a new window. I
don't expect it to pick up the group.
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464 [05:15:04] <karlpinc> eblip: You could login on another vt.
465 [05:15:05] <karlpinc> !vt
466 [05:15:05] <dpkg> methinks vt is Virtual Terminal, like the
console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To
get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most
likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also
used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD
counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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468 [05:15:49] <eblip> ah good idea karlpinc ill try that
469 [05:16:50] <eblip> that works ..i am now in the group
470 [05:17:05] <eblip> thanks karlpinc
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480 [05:24:54] <metbsd> please give me a vpn setup howto on
latest debian
481 [05:24:56] <metbsd> thanks
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544 [05:54:20] <eblip> hey there is a document about installing
tor on debian stretch but not buster
545 [05:54:33] <eblip> do you think it will be ok to follow the
stretch procedure
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551 [05:58:05] <karlpinc> eblip: Does it say to install the
"tor" package? If so, then probably. The real thing to do
is to read the readme.debian in the tor package.
552 [05:58:10] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
553 [05:58:10] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a
document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains
any Debian specific details in the package's operation or
configuration.
554 [05:58:22] <eblip> ah ok
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557 [05:58:42] <filpAM> Some package has
"[residual-config]" how do I remove it?
558 [05:59:10] <filpAM> The package is:
linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64
559 [05:59:21] <karlpinc> filpAM: That's what the
"purge" apt/aptitude/apt-get/etc operation does, remove
config files.
560 [05:59:38] <filpAM> oh ok
561 [05:59:44] <karlpinc> (I guess it's called
"purge" in apt, I'm not sure.)
562 [06:00:01] <karlpinc> Yep, purge.
563 [06:01:07] <karlpinc> eblip: And, of course, do whatever else
every tor user has to do. In other words, you may also need to read
the tor instructions.
564 [06:01:31] <eblip> YES ok thanks
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569 [06:02:54] <filpAM> A while ago I tried to upgrade kernel but
it broke the gui, (the xfce bright control didn't work anymore)
so I downgraded. I was using the testing, but now I switched to
buster
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571 [06:03:44] <filpAM> *testing repo
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577 [06:05:37] <ZaZaGX> hi
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604 [06:26:25] <annadane> eblip, tor or tor browser, they're
two separate things
605 [06:26:36] <annadane> tor browser USES the tor network but
it's two separate things
606 [06:26:48] <eblip> i was just gonna use tor...but they keep
advising against it
607 [06:26:53] <eblip> so both
608 [06:26:57] <annadane> who is they
609 [06:27:10] <eblip> the tor project ..the debain people on tor
610 [06:27:12] <eblip> eveyrone
611 [06:27:33] <annadane> well, i don't know what
conversations you had so i can't really tell one way or another
612 [06:27:44] <eblip> on another machine i have firefox set up
to go through tor...but its not properly secure
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614 [06:28:19] <eblip> no sorry..not conversations ...every
website or tor page or debian tor article or ubuntu tor article any
and every tor article advises against it
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616 [06:28:58] <eblip> i havent found any tor article for any
linux that doesnt state ..not to do it
617 [06:29:09] <annadane> tor browser in stretch is in
stretch-backports-sloppy and in buster it's in regular
backports
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619 [06:29:20] <eblip> ah ok thanks
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621 [06:29:45] <annadane> and not to use tor for... what? just in
general? because that seems silly
622 [06:30:09] <eblip> something about when you use tor via
chrome or firefox that it makes you vulnerable
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624 [06:30:29] <annadane> i don't have the technical knowhow
to say one way or the other
625 [06:30:30] <eblip> you can attach to the tor network via
those browsers using the SOCKS PROXY
626 [06:30:47] <annadane> i have a vague recollection it may be
insecure but that may just be my memory being bad
627 [06:30:56] <eblip> but there are ways to trace back to you
..unless you use the actual tor browser
628 [06:31:25] <eblip> it doesnt bother me ..i normally onlyuse
tor when i want to look at a site that is restricted out of my
country or that has torrents or something
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631 [06:31:57] <eblip> but for any critical stuff, if you use
chrome or firefox ..others can trace your origin
632 [06:32:11] <annadane> so, anyway, both tor and tor browser
are packaged for both stretch and buster in various forms
633 [06:33:02] <eblip> thats good to know...i have switched to
debian ..so now have to get used to doing things the debian way
..and cant really go at it like a bull in a china shop as these are
work machines
634 [06:33:30] <annadane> tor itself is in both buster and
buster-backports
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636 [06:33:52] <annadane> tor browser is only available via
stretch-backports-sloppy (in other words, sloppy meaning taken from
current testing) and buster-backports
637 [06:33:58] <eblip> yes i got the tor ...but then i read the
docs and though ..hmm maybe i should do it properly
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639 [06:34:15] <eblip> and use the tor browser bundle
640 [06:34:24] <annadane> for web browsing you don't really
need tor itself, just the browser
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642 [06:34:39] <eblip> ah ok.
643 [06:34:55] <eblip> i got tor as initially i was going to set
up chrome and firefox to use it
644 [06:34:58] <annadane> people use tor for running their own
relay, for example
645 [06:35:02] <annadane> and i'm not sure what other uses
it has
646 [06:35:09] <eblip> hacking
647 [06:35:15] <eblip> possibly
648 [06:35:33] <annadane> well not necessarily hacking, i
don't know to what extent you can use it manually as an
internet-connecting-pathway or whatever
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650 [06:35:49] <annadane> though i'm sure you can
651 [06:36:06] <eblip> if i was going to hack a bank, id rather
use someone elses internet and tor on top of that
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656 [06:37:35] <eblip> not that i would have a clue
657 [06:37:51] <annadane> my only direct knowledge of tor is
people use the browser to internet surf and the tor network itself
to route connections and to run relays for the network
658 [06:38:01] <annadane> but i don't know a whole lot about
it, i'm sure my knowledge is incomplete
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660 [06:39:51] <annadane> one thing i would look for is say
firefox's documentation on using torsocks
661 [06:40:00] <annadane> if the official source says not to do
it, you probably shouldn't d it
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663 [06:40:21] <annadane> (i assume you're using firefox to
browse
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689 [07:00:54] <oblivian> Hi again
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698 [07:05:55] <hiya> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default
locale: <-- how to fix these issues on Debian 9 once and for all?
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704 [07:08:52] <jim> hiya, I dunno, just guessing. maybe none of
your installed locales is marked as "default"
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706 [07:09:26] <hiya> jim: how to fix it?
707 [07:09:33] <hiya> it is so irritating
708 [07:09:48] <jim> dunno
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710 [07:10:04] <jim> it's also possible you don't have
any locales
711 [07:10:27] <jim> let's see,
712 [07:10:35] <jim> ,v locales
713 [07:10:36] <judd> Package: locales on amd64 -- jessie:
2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security:
2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; bullseye: 2.28-10; buster:
2.28-10; sid: 2.28-10
714 [07:10:51] <hiya> ok
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716 [07:11:00] <hiya> I would install it
717 [07:11:13] <hiya> jim: are you a system admin?
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719 [07:11:21] <jim> ok, try (as root): dpkg-reconfigure locales
720 [07:11:30] <jim> I admin my system, yes!
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722 [07:11:48] <hiya> PM u? I need something.
723 [07:12:24] <jim> I'm finishing up something right now
724 [07:12:37] <hiya> It would need some time if you agree
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728 [07:13:35] <jim> in the middle of something at the moment
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730 [07:14:07] <hiya> np
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813 [08:13:43] <McErroneous> HI , i am looking for old qemu
documentation for Ubuntu , or debian . cant find anything older that
qemu version 2. I am looking for Qemu 0.12 , or 0.14 or 0.15....
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815 [08:14:06] <ninja> man qemu ?
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819 [08:14:51] <McErroneous> need more of a detailed reference
manual...
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823 [08:16:27] <McErroneous> similar to
replaced-url
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826 [08:17:03] <McErroneous> to me..
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829 [08:18:13] <McErroneous> a plain pdf, or plain text file
would be fine...
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872 [08:34:27] <oblivion> Any of you limit battery charge? (on
laptops)
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875 [08:35:34] <hyper_ch2> hi there, for some reasons vim is set
as default editor in my debian installation and I can't alter
it. I did run update-alternateives --config editor (nano was
auto-selected) and I also added export EDITOR=nano to the .bashrc
file. But when I login as user and do echo $EDITOR it still shows as
vim
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884 [08:38:32] <hyper_ch2> I also added export EDITOR=nano ot the
.profile file but still shows as vim and uses vim
885 [08:38:42] <hyper_ch2> (or wants to use it because it's
not installed)
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892 [08:41:21] <oblivion> There's probably a way to edit
that through a gui, if you have a gui that is
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894 [08:41:42] <humpled> what says ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor
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896 [08:42:01] <humpled> i don't think alternatives and
environment variables are the same thing btw
897 [08:42:02] <hyper_ch2> oblivion: it's headless server
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899 [08:42:52] <hyper_ch2> virsh edit .... just errors out
because of lacking vim and I have no idea how to change it to nano
900 [08:43:27] <humpled> also what says ls -l
/etc/alternatives/vim, since vim.tiny is present by default i think
901 [08:43:27] <oblivion> I see. I've always just used the
command to edit stuff. 'vim text.txt' or nano
'config.cfg' . Never occured to me there's a default
for headless
902 [08:43:39] <hyper_ch2> humpled: I'll check in a minute
or two. Rebooting server because of upgrades
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911 [08:44:35] <humpled> echo $EDITOR says nothing on my
machines, headless or not
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914 [08:45:40] <hyper_ch2> humpled: ls: cannot access
'/etc/alternatives/vim': No such file or directory
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920 [08:46:36] <hyper_ch2> simple solution would be: cd /bin
&& ln -s nano vim
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923 [08:47:19] <humpled> what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor
say?
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930 [08:50:04] <hyper_ch2> humpled: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct
20 2018 /etc/alternatives/editor -> /bin/nano
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934 [08:54:05] <alkisg> hyper_ch2: what happens when you run this
command? EDITOR= sensible-editor /etc/adduser.conf
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936 [08:54:14] <alkisg> This unsets EDITOR and uses the default
one from the alternatives system
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940 [08:57:26] <humpled> personally i don't understand where
$EDITOR is set or used
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948 [08:58:26] <alkisg> sensible-editor /etc/adduser.conf =>
uses $EDITOR; it's up to the user to set it if he really wants
it
949 [08:58:41] <alkisg> But for system-wide changes, alternatives
are better
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951 [09:01:38] <tarzeau> humpled: as user of bash .bashrc or
.profile (i never know), .zshrc is what i use
952 [09:01:47] <humpled> ah thanks, didn't know about
/usr/bin/sensible-editor
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957 [09:02:28] <humpled> it is not set on those in my bash
tarzeau
958 [09:02:34] <oblivion> Are you desktop or laptop people?
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960 [09:04:55] <dev> Hello! is it possible to speed up localhost?
I've reached some limit, I can't call send/recv more than
160k/sec (using epoll), though cpu is relaxing (< 2 cores of 8 is
used)
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962 [09:06:01] <oblivion> Oh man yes but my memory is failing me.
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964 [09:06:34] <oblivion> It was something like, sending stuff to
a specific socket instead. That would speed it up
965 [09:06:48] <oblivion> Or the other way around. I hope that
helped but it probably didn't..
966 [09:07:10] <alkisg> dev, I don't know about epoll, but
`iperf -c localhost -r` here reports 50 gbps, so I don't think
localhost has any speed limits...
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996 [09:29:04] <fritzroy15> hello, I'm trying to install
postgresql-10 on debian-10, but I keep getting hit with
replaced-url
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999 [09:29:39] <fritzroy15> I'm confused, the versions look
to be alright
1000 [09:29:52] <fritzroy15> can't understand it's
complaining about
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1005 [09:33:55] <dev> fritzroy15, use docker
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1010 [09:35:22] <dev> fritzroy15, one line to install/start
postgres in 30 sec: docker run --network host -e
POSTGRES_PASSWORD=mysecretpassword -d postgres
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1013 [09:37:37] <fritzroy15> dev i am using docker; I'm
prepairing a build image from the official ruby 2.6.3 release
that's based on debian 10;
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1015 [09:37:52] <fritzroy15> dev so I have to add postgres to that
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1018 [09:38:51] <no_gravity> Sometimes my Debian machine gets into
a state where starting a new process is super slow. While already
running processes run normally.
1019 [09:38:57] <no_gravity> Any idea how to figure out why?
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1021 [09:39:19] <no_gravity> Anything is slow, like running
"top" or even just "clear" to clear the screen.
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1023 [09:39:27] <no_gravity> Once "top" runs, it seems
to act normally.
1024 [09:40:13] <oblivion> Are you connected locally or via ssh?
1025 [09:40:22] <no_gravity> oblivion: Via ssh.
1026 [09:40:25] <oblivion> **locally or remote
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1028 [09:40:29] <no_gravity> Also logging in via ssh then is super
slow.
1029 [09:40:34] <oblivion> Could be slow connection?
1030 [09:40:38] <no_gravity> Nope
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1032 [09:41:18] <oblivion> Can you compare starting something from
ssh vs locally?
1033 [09:41:29] <no_gravity> No, it's a VM in the cloud.
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1039 [09:42:16] <no_gravity> Somehow my gut feeling is that Debian
uses all memory for caching and when a new process is started, it
first has to make room for it via swapping or something.
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1042 [09:43:31] <oblivion> See anything running 'journalctl
-xe' as root? I use that when stuff isn't working the way
it's supposed to
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1046 [09:43:56] <oblivion> Sometimes there's an error in
there that might help or point at something
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1050 [09:45:22] <no_gravity> That outputs over a thousand lines.
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1054 [09:46:07] <oblivion> Well, yeah. Any errors or warnings?
1055 [09:46:49] <no_gravity> grepping for "error" and
"warning" comes back empty.
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1059 [09:47:19] <Fox> maybe you have IOwaits
1060 [09:47:49] <no_gravity> Fox: Inded. I do have a ton of IOwait
because there is heavy disk access going in.
1061 [09:47:57] <fritzroy15> no one? :(
1062 [09:48:01] <Fox> then don't look for anything else
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1064 [09:48:09] <Fox> that's your problem
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1067 [09:48:28] <no_gravity> Fox: That could be.
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1069 [09:49:23] <Fox> you could have 20 CPUs if you have lots of
IOs your system will be slow
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1071 [09:49:26] <no_gravity> Fox: I have a process consuming 100%
of the disk all of the time.
1072 [09:49:47] <Fox> that's the real problem, is it really
supposed to eat all IOs ?
1073 [09:50:05] <no_gravity> Fox: In the main loop I have put a
line now that tells it to sleep 1s if the cpu load is >1.
1074 [09:50:22] <no_gravity> I might also make it sleep if disk
usage is at 100% but not sure how to measure that.
1075 [09:50:40] <alkisg> no_gravity: maybe just run it with
`nice`; this also internally uses something like ionice too
1076 [09:50:51] <no_gravity> alkisg: That could be an idea.
1077 [09:50:51] <alkisg> man nice
1078 [09:51:42] <no_gravity> alkisg: just "nice
mycommand"?
1079 [09:52:02] <alkisg> Right, the defaults are usually ok, test
if first, and only try finetuning if things are not a lot better
1080 [09:52:26] <alkisg> E.g. there's also the option to use
ionice with priority idle, but that will make the command too slow
then
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1082 [09:53:05] <no_gravity> Running it with nice now. Will see
how that impacts the machine.
1083 [09:53:08] <no_gravity> Thanks a lot!
1084 [09:53:11] <alkisg> np
1085 [09:53:12] <oblivion> Did you know your disk was basically
overloaded before you asked your question no_gravity?
1086 [09:53:28] <no_gravity> oblivion: Yup. But didn't make
the connection.
1087 [09:53:41] <Fox> no_gravity: when running top look a the
CPU(s) line and watch the wa value
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1089 [09:53:45] <alkisg> no_gravity: also if you are running
things like backups, you might use this command: nocache
1090 [09:53:52] <Fox> that will tell you if you have IOwaits
1091 [09:54:05] <alkisg> This will tell the backup not to cache
its disk activity, so that it doesn't invalidate the other more
useful cache
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1093 [09:54:58] <no_gravity> Even now that I run the command with
"nice", starting top took 10s or so.
1094 [09:55:13] <no_gravity> Fox: Yes, wa oscilates between 1 and
50.
1095 [09:55:23] <no_gravity> alkisg: What does nocache do?
1096 [09:55:39] <alkisg> no_gravity: try this extreme: nocache
nice ionice -c3 command
1097 [09:55:50] <alkisg> This runs your command with the lowest
slices possible
1098 [09:56:01] <alkisg> If this doesn't fix it, ignore all
those nice commands then
1099 [09:56:10] <no_gravity> alkisg: Well, it's not a big
problem if starting top takes a while. As long as I can connect to
the machine all is fine.
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1101 [09:56:26] <no_gravity> alkisg: But I also had it, that it
got so unresponsive I had to hard reset it.
1102 [09:56:58] <alkisg> That doesn't sound like intense disk
activity, it sounds more like out of ram or plain hanging
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1105 [09:57:41] <no_gravity> alkisg: Most of RAM is used by linux
for caches. The actual applications do not use much.
1106 [09:58:05] <alkisg> no_gravity: linux caching doesn't
impact performance, it only helps, not make things worse
1107 [09:58:08] <no_gravity> alkisg: "cache disk
activity"?
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1109 [09:58:41] <alkisg> I think you need to read up on what
caching is; you think it hurts performance when it doesn't
1110 [09:58:43] <no_gravity> alkisg: I would expect bypassing the
OS caching would make things damn slow. Let me try.
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1112 [09:59:12] <no_gravity> alkisg: bash: nocache: command not
found
1113 [09:59:20] <alkisg> You need to install it then
1114 [09:59:36] <no_gravity> alkisg: Oh! Now that I think about
it, neither nice nor nocache will have an impact.
1115 [09:59:48] <alkisg> How so?
1116 [10:00:07] <no_gravity> alkisg: Because all the disk IO is
caused by MySQL which the application talks to. So not by the
application itself.
1117 [10:00:20] <alkisg> :)
1118 [10:00:29] <alkisg> Then you'd need to run mysql with
nice ;D
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1121 [10:00:47] <alkisg> You can also nice a pid, to test
1122 [10:01:02] <alkisg> man renice
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1129 [10:04:56] <uio> Hi! Is it true that xfce4 in Debian will not
be 4.14 for a a looooong time?
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1130 [10:05:10] <annadane> you're linking to sid
1131 [10:05:21] <annadane> sid probably will have 4.14 soon, but
stable, you have to wait
1132 [10:05:29] <annadane> until bullseye
1133 [10:07:12] <uio> annadane, I'm linking to sid because
even in sid it says 'xfce4 (4.12.5)', but I don't
really know how testing stuff works...
1134 [10:07:29] <uio> In Jessie, for example, it says 'xfce4
(4.10.1)'
1135 [10:07:32] <annadane> sid isn't testing
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1137 [10:07:43] <uio> What is sid?
1138 [10:07:46] <annadane> 4.14 was just released, give it a
little time, but it should be in sid soon
1139 [10:07:47] <annadane> sid is unstable
1140 [10:07:51] <uio> Ah.
1141 [10:07:52] <annadane> testing is bullseye, currently
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1143 [10:07:56] <uio> Okay.
1144 [10:08:27] <uio> Regardless, both list 4.12.5 (as does
buster),
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1146 [10:08:45] <uio> So, unstable can take in updates?
1147 [10:08:50] <annadane> yep
1148 [10:08:57] <uio> While testing cannot?
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1150 [10:09:08] <annadane> packages are transferred to testing
after about 10 days
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1152 [10:09:14] <annadane> if there aren't RC bugs
1153 [10:09:17] <uio> Okay.
1154 [10:09:30] <uio> And then at a certain point testing is
'frozen'?
1155 [10:09:36] <uio> To become stable?
1156 [10:09:45] <annadane> during freeze in the months leading up
to the release of the next stable, yes
1157 [10:09:56] <uio> Okay. That makes sense!
1158 [10:10:06] <uio> But no hope of getting that in Buster?
1159 [10:10:16] <annadane> unless someone backports it, no
1160 [10:10:23] <uio> Okay.
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1163 [10:10:46] <uio> Cool. Thanks for the info. I was just
excited to see a new xfce4 after 5 years. It should be good.
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1167 [10:11:53] <annadane> MATE gets regularly backported but
i've never seen it happen to xfce
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1171 [10:12:02] <annadane> it's a volunteer effort
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1178 [10:13:39] <uio> That makes sense. I mean, to be honest,
other than some external monitor stuff, I find xfce pretty great. I
tried out MATE the other day, but something was up and the desktop
wasn't happy.
1179 [10:13:56] <barnezk> hey guys how are you ? sorry to disturb
just wondering if someone called solozerk is coming here sometimes
1180 [10:14:11] <uio> I'll just wait another two years before
I start using 4.14.
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1222 [10:30:22] <Guest9629> Hi
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1226 [10:32:05] <Guest9629> I have a directory with thousands of
files and dirs . How can I move the first 20s to another location.?
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1228 [10:32:35] <vitalinux> hi everybody
1229 [10:32:58] <nkuttler> Guest9629: define first
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1231 [10:33:12] <Guest9629> hi vitalinux
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1234 [10:33:57] <zamuro>
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1239 [10:37:08] <phil-i> zamuro>: I have already tested that
and i get
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1241 [10:37:29] <phil-i> mv: cannot stat ': No such file or
directory
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1249 [10:40:53] <ninja> Guest11161: ls > foo && mv
$(head -n20 foo) destination_dir
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1251 [10:43:17] <phil-i> thanks ninja what is foo for?
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1253 [10:44:01] <ninja> phil-i: foo is just a file created when
you run this command, you can delete it afterwards
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1260 [10:47:40] <alkisg> phil-i: this also works if filename have
spaces; remove "echo" to make it actually mv instead of
echo:
1261 [10:47:40] <alkisg> i=0; for f in /path/to/source/*; do
i=$((i+1)); test "$i" -gt 10 && break; echo mv
"$f" /path/to/target/; done
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1268 [10:50:19] <j__> Hello.
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1271 [10:50:38] <j__> Can anyone confirm whether the
archive.debian.org archive for stretch is broken?
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1274 [10:51:57] <phil-i> Thank you alkisg and ninja
1275 [10:52:01] <alkisg> np
1276 [10:53:27] <j_wrok> I get "E: Failed to fetch
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1279 [10:55:15] <alkisg> j_wrok: stretch isn't in archive
yet, it's still supported
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1281 [10:55:26] <alkisg> j_wrok: try:
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1283 [10:56:38] <j_wrok> "E: Failed to fetch
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1284 [10:56:43] <j_wrok> That doesn't sound correct.
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1286 [10:57:32] <alkisg> j_wrok: you have a wrong entry in your
sources.list and you need to fix it. Stretch isn't in
archive.debian.org.
1287 [10:57:37] <alkisg> !sources.list stretch
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1290 [10:57:49] <alkisg> ...or something like that :D
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1293 [10:58:10] <j_wrok> ok. thanks.
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1309 [11:06:00] <well_laid_lawn> ,v stretch
1310 [11:06:01] <judd> No package named 'stretch' was
found in amd64.
1311 [11:06:36] <BCMM> well_laid_lawn: um, what?
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1314 [11:07:21] <well_laid_lawn> you seem to be trying to ask
something there but I don't know what...
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1317 [11:08:16] <BCMM> that was pretty much how i was feeling
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1325 [11:12:27] <uio> Hi. I'm testing out MATE (I hadn't
done the full install before, that's why it wasn't
working). Quite liking it! Easy to change stuff and customise a bit.
A few things though: I was able to set 'terminal' shortcut
to be mod4+T (windows key+T), but can't make 'caja'
mod4+F. Why not?? Also, how can I move or remove applets? Really
nice, just wanting to change a few things. Thanks.
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1343 [11:19:53] <uio> Also, can't seem to get notifs to be in
the upper right-hand corner despite changing those settings...
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1345 [11:20:44] <ZaZaGX> I'm wearing an Ubuntu t-shirt right
now. but I'm using Debian 10. Is there such thing as an
official debian t-shirt?
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1349 [11:21:11] <uio> ZaZaGX, Traitor!!!
1350 [11:21:17] <uio> I hope there aren't.
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1352 [11:21:34] <uio> Maybe there is a DIY one?
1353 [11:21:40] <uio> That would be more Debian style.
1354 [11:21:49] * alkisg is using ubuntu right now (ok and 3 debian VMs)
and wearing a debconf shirt :D
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1356 [11:21:51] <ZaZaGX> oh i found a website
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1359 [11:22:07] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
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1361 [11:22:35] <uio> So, it's not the notifs actually,
it's the sound and brightness that don't seem to want to
follow the notif settings. Is this an example of where MATE is less
configurable than XFCE?
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1364 [11:23:43] <uio> This is why I think Debian has something
good going on: 'Being a non-profit organization, we don't
make or sell anything ourselves.'
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1366 [11:24:28] <uio> As opposed to some other distros... eg.
replaced-url
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1371 [11:24:58] <ZaZaGX> i have never used manjaro before
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1373 [11:25:05] <ZaZaGX> i might of live usb flash drive it once
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1379 [11:26:15] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
1380 [11:26:20] <ZaZaGX> i gotta admit, thats pretty cool
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1383 [11:26:42] <garo> When you install the current debian stable
without swap-partition, will something like /swapfile be created
when running out of memory ?
1384 [11:26:47] <ninja> somebody had trouble with screen
brightness?
1385 [11:27:10] <uio> Also, re MATE, with the external monitor,
the laptop brightness is descreased after a given time, but it
doesn't come back when I move the mouse!
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1387 [11:27:51] <ninja> mate has some script which does some
abnormal things for brightness.
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1389 [11:28:06] <uio> ninja, Ah.
1390 [11:28:43] <ninja> when I was using it, it auto turned on my
keyboards backlight.
1391 [11:28:50] <uio> ninja, Thanks for the info. I dunno. I kind
of like MATE in that some themeing is easier than in XFCE, but I
think it has a few too many little issues like this that would piss
me off.
1392 [11:29:05] <uio> ninja, What do you use now?
1393 [11:29:13] <uio> i3 or some such?!
1394 [11:29:22] <ninja>
replaced-url
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1397 [11:29:36] <uio> dwm!
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1399 [11:29:39] <ninja> its from suckless but I patched it.
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1401 [11:29:44] <uio> Okay.
1402 [11:29:45] <oiaohm> garo:
replaced-url
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1404 [11:29:59] <uio> I think our needs are different. Probably
our skill levels too.
1405 [11:30:02] <j_wrok> Everyone patches dwm. That's how it
works.
1406 [11:30:05] <oiaohm> garo: also running the Linux kernel with
no swap at all is fool hardy.
1407 [11:30:26] <uio> Well. I think I'll stick with XFCE.
MATE is pretty good, but I don't know if I can do it.
1408 [11:30:33] <oiaohm> garo: There are different Linux kernel
structures that depend on being able to push bits of it to swap to
in fact defrag kernel memory.
1409 [11:30:41] <ninja> j_wrok: it works without patches too. but
everyone doesn't need it patchless
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1412 [11:31:11] <oiaohm> garo: having swap does not mean have a
disc partition there are options like zram to have swap in ram.
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1414 [11:31:28] <uio> Well, cheers! Heading back to XFCE!
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1416 [11:31:34] <ninja> what are you needs uio ?
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1418 [11:31:51] <ninja> xfce4 is been developed?
1419 [11:32:16] <ninja> I think it was not developed after 2014
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1421 [11:32:45] <ZaZaGX> debian thongs... weird
1422 [11:32:57] <j_wrok> XFCE is active.
1423 [11:33:06] <oiaohm> ninja: xfce 4.14 was just released 2 days
ago.
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1425 [11:33:29] <ninja> Today, after 4 years and 5 months of work,
we are pleased to announce the release of the Xfce desktop 4.14, a
new stable
1426 [11:33:51] <ninja> oiaohm: yeah just checked it after that
statement I made.
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1428 [11:34:05] <oiaohm> ninja: its not been the fastest
development.
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1431 [11:34:31] <ninja> dunno why I dont like DEs
1432 [11:34:57] <ninja> maybe they install much bloatware which
leads me to complete reinstall of OS
1433 [11:35:38] <ninja> I made a repository which is pretty much
what I need for a new install.
1434 [11:35:42] <oiaohm> I am watching xfway what is someone
taking the xfce ideas and redoing them on wayland.
1435 [11:36:00] <ninja> and I have more than 1000 fonts files
there.
1436 [11:36:14] <ninja> so I don't have to worry about fonts
from OS.
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1438 [11:36:39] <oiaohm> font management is something that
serousally need work.
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1440 [11:37:15] <garo> I was just wondering because some
debian-based distro's also have a file /swapfile in the real
filesystem in case you run out of memory and don't have swap.
(Ubuntu has this, Mint doesn't, don't know about
others...)
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1442 [11:37:46] <alkisg> garo: the installer creates it and writes
an /etc/fstab entry; it's not done dynamically on every boot
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1446 [11:38:23] <Abdullah> Thinking about having a free shell and
moving ~/.weechat there.
1447 [11:38:29] <j_wrok> Wayland sucks on built-in VGA and
consumes laptop battery.
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1449 [11:38:43] <j_wrok> I've reverted to Xorg. Xorg also is
faster.
1450 [11:39:55] <oiaohm> garo: there is a package you can decide
to add to have dynamically sized swap space.
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1451 [11:39:58] <Abdullah> There is sway but I think isn't
mature yet.
1452 [11:39:59] <ZaZaGX> oh, i like Wayland. it feels faster and
snappyier
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1456 [11:40:40] <garo> k thanks
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1458 [11:40:45] <oiaohm> garo: generally its not a hyper great a
idea to have unlimited swap space if a program goes nuts.
1459 [11:41:29] <oiaohm> garo: because you go from killed
applications by OOM killer due to out of memory to crash due to out
of disc space that can result in even worse data loss.
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1461 [11:42:04] <oiaohm> garo: lot of ways pick a size of swap
space set it up and be happy is the right way more often than not.
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1465 [11:42:42] <j_wrok> Definitely not faster and snappier on
built-in VGA
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1467 [11:42:53] <j_wrok> Even on avery recent i7 cpu.
1468 [11:43:18] <oiaohm> j_wrok: you will have to wait and see on
that one. There is a major update coming to intel drivers.
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1470 [11:44:05] <j_wrok> I will definitely not wait. I am happily
running Xorg and plan to run it for a long time yet. DWM will not
support wayland any time soon anyways.
1471 [11:44:36] <oiaohm> j_wrok:
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1472 [11:44:51] <j_wrok> And I mostly use laptops, so the battery
issue is still a thing. My gpu has mostly the 3d engine spun off.
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1476 [11:45:55] <oiaohm> j_wrok: its the normal find and fixing
bugs problems. Until something can demo the fault the fault sits
there.
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1479 [11:46:57] <ZaZaGX> whoa, i use HDMI
1480 [11:47:04] <oiaohm> If wayland solutions or x.org solutions
are faster is also multi factor thing as well. Like kde and gnome
and sway in wayland all perform different.
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1482 [11:47:11] <ZaZaGX> people still use CRT monitors?
1483 [11:47:25] * tarzeau doesn't. but i've seen them in the
serverroom
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1485 [11:47:44] <oiaohm> ZaZaGX: I have some LCD screens with VGA
in and no hdmi.
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1487 [11:48:06] <ZaZaGX> i guess i feel spoiled. i have a more
recent laptop
1488 [11:48:09] <tarzeau> oiaohm: we also have still a lot of
VGA/DVI, but both are being depreciated for DP/HDMI/miniDP
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1490 [11:48:56] <tarzeau> vga and dvi are very limited for
resolution, so going (mini)dp/hdmi allows 4k+ resolutions
1491 [11:48:56] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I am not talking old. I have
screens harded for industral usage.
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1495 [11:49:13] <oiaohm> They are like brand new with only VGA
interface.
1496 [11:49:46] <oiaohm> Standards take quite some time to
disappear off the market.
1497 [11:49:48] <ZaZaGX> time to upgrade
1498 [11:50:12] <tarzeau> oiaohm: floppy disappeared finally! our
new computers hardly come with optical drives
1499 [11:50:38] <ZaZaGX> I still know people who use cassette
tapes
1500 [11:50:39] <oiaohm> tarzeau: floppy emulators I have used
tones of.
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1502 [11:51:04] <tarzeau> still pc (ibm compatible) computers come
with soundcard, but no built-in speakers (not the pc speaker thing,
a real speaker like macos or sun hw had by defualt, since 20+ years)
1503 [11:51:07] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I mean that if you put them on a
bridge they serousally would be tones.
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1505 [11:51:17] <oiaohm> weigh bridge that is.
1506 [11:51:33] <tarzeau> ZaZaGX: i didn't say i don't,
c-64 and amiga might be popular, but not at work, in the office nor
labs
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1508 [11:51:53] <oiaohm> Still remember having to find a source
for a 12 inch floppy emulator for a particular location.
1509 [11:52:01] <oiaohm> Really really old mainframe still in
usage.
1510 [11:52:20] <tarzeau> oiaohm: because of no migration path?
still supported by vendor?
1511 [11:52:44] <ZaZaGX> i remembered playing Oregon Trail on a
Macintosh
1512 [11:52:55] <tarzeau> i'm glad i've gotten rid of
all IDE interfaced disks, and all with SATA now
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1514 [11:53:00] <oiaohm> tarzeau: it was kept going because the
program running it it was still producing results and the source
code was lost.
1515 [11:53:17] <oiaohm> tarzeau: that was a reversing headache.
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1517 [11:53:28] <ZaZaGX> geez, you people need to upgrade
1518 [11:53:53] <tarzeau> oiaohm: but you sure knew what data the
program got, and what it gave as output? what kind of data it
processed? text? graphics? other?
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1521 [11:54:07] <oiaohm> ZaZaGX: its not just upgrade. Make sure
you have the source code to you key software you have.
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1526 [11:55:09] <oiaohm> tarzeau: It was an other. Output by cnc
wet sand into shape.
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1529 [11:55:59] <oiaohm> tarzeau: and that is not exactly the
simplest material to dependany cnc.
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1533 [11:57:27] <oiaohm> ZaZaGX: really old stuff you find doing
some really wacky and hard to replace stuff at times.
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1536 [11:57:37] <tarzeau> oiaohm: what if the hw dies today?
1537 [11:58:31] <oiaohm> tarzeau: the modern software
reimplementation would be usable but it still manages to screw up 1
in 4 times.
1538 [11:58:42] <oiaohm> tarzeau: where the old one is about 1 in
2000.
1539 [11:59:05] <tarzeau> heh crazy...
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1541 [11:59:13] <oiaohm> Basically it still working out the finer
details.
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1543 [11:59:16] <ZaZaGX> oh no
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1550 [12:01:25] <oiaohm> Basically the old machine failing now
would not put the business out of business. Since they would just
need to run more of the newer ones.
1551 [12:01:57] <oiaohm> But at the start it was 2000 to 1. Ie
2000 failures for every single success in the new machine. If the
old machine failed then that would have been death to the business.
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1555 [12:02:26] <tarzeau> oiaohm: the business web page or the
products they make is what?
1556 [12:02:32] <Abdullah> so got irc working on a shell, I hope
now it will be okay
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1558 [12:03:01] <Abdullah> but its fucking slow
1559 [12:03:23] <Abdullah> I have written three messages and still
I see first message hope :-(
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1562 [12:04:13] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I cannot remember the company
name of head. but they are special in one off custom molding in
different compost materials. The sand is basically the base shape
you work up from.
1563 [12:04:34] <oiaohm> tarzeau: if the base shape is wrong
everything on top is screwed.
1564 [12:05:22] <oiaohm> The sand is great because it simple to
remove after the process is done.
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1567 [12:07:41] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I should remember the name
because I remember doing a CNC conversion on there on a over 200
year old lathe for other things.
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1570 [12:08:25] <oiaohm> tarzeau: its just one of those things of
human memory its just not comming.
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1603 [12:31:11] <jak2000> hi all
1604 [12:31:15] <jak2000> why cant install curl?
replaced-url
1605 [12:31:16] <jak2000> thanks
1606 [12:31:54] <alkisg> jak2000: try `sudo apt update` first
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1617 [12:36:32] <jak2000> done....
1618 [12:36:51] <jak2000> alkisg know where onwload jdk 8u222 ? i
try oracle and is hard...
1619 [12:37:41] <alkisg>
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1625 [12:38:37] <ninja> curl I think was updated, today or
yesterday
1626 [12:38:42] <ninja> in testing.
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1670 [13:02:59] <Artigiano>
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1682 [13:07:36] <jak2000> alkisg its 8u212 but the 8u222
1683 [13:07:37] <jak2000> ?
1684 [13:07:40] <jak2000> thanks
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1713 [13:24:04] <mmilin> Hello. Is anyone here using
syslinux/extlinux ?
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1725 [13:28:18] <mmilin> I wanted to ask, can I somehow
'instruct' scripts when installing new kernel to make
symlinks to /boot/vmlinuz instead of /vmlinuz ?
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1858 [14:32:37] <^CaptainFantasti> has debian 9, character table
(Zeichentablelle ) like ubuntu 19? thanks
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1867 [14:36:33] <alkisg> ^CaptainFantasti:
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1875 [14:39:23] <^CaptainFantasti> alkisg: thanks guy
1876 [14:39:28] <alkisg> np
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1884 [14:45:03] <Haxxa> Any ideas why after deleting a zfs zvol
free space doesn't increase? Is it a slow process?
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1965 [15:26:13] <brutser> fresh install of d10+xfce, when reboot
(or shutdown) i get an error window: unable to contact settings
server dbus abnormally without any error message, something like
that < what can be causing this?
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1993 [15:37:32] <Irulan> Hello. Since I upgraded to buster, squid
crashes each night after / during logrotate run
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1995 [15:38:34] <Irulan>
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1999 [15:39:20] <Irulan> should I report a bug ?
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2003 [15:42:37] <nkuttler> Irulan: try modifying the logrotate
config to verify it's related?
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2007 [15:44:09] <Irulan> If I run logrotate manually, squid
doesn't crash
2008 [15:44:19] <vitalinux> I have tried to install gnome
characters but it can't be found anywhere, any advice?
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2014 [15:51:25] <BCMM> vitalinux: what have you tried so far? it
should be possible to just do `apt install gnome-characters`
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2016 [15:51:39] <nkuttler> ,v gnome-characters
2017 [15:51:40] <judd> Package: gnome-characters on amd64 --
stretch: 3.22.0-1; bullseye: 3.30.0-2; buster: 3.30.0-2; sid:
3.30.0-2; experimental: 3.32.1-1
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2023 [15:55:28] <Dark> can someone help me out with this issue.
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2025 [15:55:58] <vitalinux> Alright thanks it works now
2026 [15:56:08] <tarzeau> Dark: just add #include <cstring>
?
2027 [15:56:13] <tarzeau> in main.cc
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2029 [15:56:40] <AlexNagySchool> Hey guys, I'm trying to boot
from a DVD image I wrote to usb using dd. When plugging in the USB
it looks like proper installation media (Debian 10, fwiw). However,
I'm trying to install it in UEFI mode (non-secure boot) but
it's a no go. Any ideas?
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2031 [15:58:03] <Dark> tarzeau, let's see
2032 [15:58:22] <BCMM> AlexNagySchool: where does it go wrong? are
you booting in legacy bios mode, or failing to boot at all, or
booting but something goes wrong afterwards?
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2034 [15:59:43] <Dark> tarzeau, which line do I insert that at?
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2036 [16:00:28] <AlexNagySchool> BCMM: I go into the bios, make
sure it's set to UEFI, make sure secure boot is off/disabled,
f10 to save and exit, hit f12 to select boot menu, select the usb
drive. It says boot device does not exist (despite it being securely
inserted). I'm in my Linux Mint installation right now in
legacy mode. Gparted reports that the usb disk has the boot flag on.
On the disk there is an EFI folder.
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2038 [16:01:13] <tarzeau> Dark: at the very top next to the other
includes
2039 [16:01:22] <Dark> ah okay
2040 [16:02:01] <Dark> tarzeau, same error
2041 [16:02:04] <Dark> let me pastebin the change
2042 [16:02:55] <Dark>
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2043 [16:03:12] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: did you dd to e.g.
/dev/sdb, or to /dev/sdb1?
2044 [16:03:33] <AlexNagySchool> I dd'd to /dev/sdb1 (which
may be the problem?)
2045 [16:03:39] <alkisg> Yup
2046 [16:03:41] <alkisg> It's /dev/sdb
2047 [16:03:50] <AlexNagySchool> ah. fixing that now. thanks (:
2048 [16:03:53] <alkisg> And make sure it's unmounted
2049 [16:03:54] <tarzeau> Dark: right next to
include<iostream> put it there, retry
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2051 [16:03:57] <alkisg> before running dd
2052 [16:04:04] <Dark> ok
2053 [16:04:07] <AlexNagySchool> ofc, alkisg. I'm not a total
n00b ;)
2054 [16:04:31] * alkisg isn't a noob either, but has forgotten it
a couple of times :D
2055 [16:04:59] <AlexNagySchool> indeed (: I appreciate it, was
just trying to lighten my mood a bit.
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2057 [16:05:13] <Dark> damn same error
2058 [16:06:10] * AlexNagySchool returns to lurk while dd does its thing
2059 [16:06:40] <Dark> tarzeau, Don't know but it's the
same error doing the change.
2060 [16:06:49] <tarzeau> Dark: dunno, ask the guy who wrote it
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2062 [16:06:56] <Dark> hes dead
2063 [16:07:00] <Dark> in freebsd I can install it fine.
2064 [16:07:14] <tarzeau> with g++ ? what version? or clang++ ?
2065 [16:08:06] <Dark> with g+
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2072 [16:10:42] <Dark> tarzeau, can you change it for me?
2073 [16:10:48] <Dark> I Have try it all
2074 [16:10:50] <Dark> and is not working
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2076 [16:11:12] <tarzeau> is this a debian package or not? where
is the homepage of the thing?
2077 [16:11:35] <Dark> since the owner of the project died.
2078 [16:11:44] <Dark> the package was remove
2079 [16:11:57] <Dark>
replaced-url
2080 [16:12:02] <Dark> the only working version
2081 [16:13:39] <tarzeau> Dark: /me gets
replaced-url
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2083 [16:13:53] <Dark> I hope you can fix it ;*)
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2086 [16:14:11] * tarzeau run ./autogen.sh then ./configure, now make
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2092 [16:15:18] <drsagan2001> hello debian users! I am attempting
to increase the timeout and retries of apt-get using apt.conf so
that it will work with my corp. internet proxy. I've tried to
determine how to set the Timeout and Retries using some things I
have found on Google, but nothing works so far. apt-get upgrade will
try to download but doesn't get very far before it gi
2093 [16:15:19] <drsagan2001> ves up.
2094 [16:15:31] <tarzeau> Dark: also fails for me, sorry :(
2095 [16:15:45] <Dark> yeah I don't know why in freebsd it
installs fine
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2099 [16:18:14] <tarzeau> Dark: what g++ --version they have?
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2101 [16:18:33] <Dark> let me check
2102 [16:19:18] <Dark> g++ (FreeBSD Ports Collection) 9.1.0
2103 [16:19:24] <Dark> that version
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2107 [16:20:40] <tarzeau> and there it works
2108 [16:20:50] <Dark> it runs smoothly
2109 [16:20:51] <tarzeau> did you check their port system? maybe
they have some magical patch?
2110 [16:21:00] <Dark> nope
2111 [16:21:08] <Dark> I download the version from the site
2112 [16:21:09] <Dark> I give you
2113 [16:21:21] <tarzeau> ah and build it from source
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2115 [16:22:04] <Dark> yea
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2117 [16:23:05] <Dark> I wish I was a coder.
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2119 [16:23:57] <tarzeau> Dark: you can become one?
2120 [16:24:03] <Dark> too late for me
2121 [16:24:11] <tarzeau> why?
2122 [16:24:15] <hwm4rgs> I taught my grandfather python,
it's not.
2123 [16:24:16] <tarzeau> you're 80?
2124 [16:24:24] <Dark> I'm not good with math
2125 [16:24:31] <tarzeau> you don't have to be good with math
2126 [16:24:38] <Dark> lol
2127 [16:24:39] <tarzeau> you have to be good to learn new things
2128 [16:24:41] <Dark> stop lying
2129 [16:24:45] <tarzeau> it's true
2130 [16:24:56] <Dark> you need to b a math wiz
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2134 [16:25:35] <hwm4rgs> You do realize there are tons of coders
in here that aren't math wizards?
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2139 [16:27:00] <Haohmaru> when i was learning about pointers in
C++ i still didn't know wtf is "modulo"
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2143 [16:27:27] <Dark> Haohmaru, if you know C
2144 [16:27:39] <Haohmaru> i didn't go thru C at all
2145 [16:27:44] <Dark> can you help me out to fix the issue with
the package I was trying to install
2146 [16:27:44] <Haohmaru> who dafuq uses C even
2147 [16:27:45] * Haohmaru runs
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2171 [16:35:32] <zprd> hi, I have no success in nginx auth pam on
buster, foloowed more or less this article
replaced-url
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2174 [16:35:40] <zprd> any ideas where to look?
2175 [16:35:48] <zprd> any hint
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2181 [16:38:46] <pasiz> zprd: i suggest looking that article. If
you like to have help, please provide more information where your
setup goes sideways...
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2187 [16:39:19] <zprd> pasiz: the setup of the article does not
work for me
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2191 [16:40:00] <tachikomas> Hello debian community. Any idea why
the packages nsca-ng-server and nsca-ng-client are not available for
buster ?
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2193 [16:40:07] <tachikomas> but available everywere else
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2195 [16:40:26] <no_gravity> I just saw my debian machine die!
Last thing that happened was "kworker/2:2+eve" was 100%
CPU and another one "Swap0" or something was at 50%. And
now it is not respoinding to anything anymore. Any ideas what
happened?
2196 [16:40:58] <pasiz> zprd: how the article is not working?
2197 [16:41:09] <zprd> pasiz: no
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2200 [16:41:32] <pasiz> zprd: you cannot read it or what is the
problem
2201 [16:41:39] <zprd> edited in 2014 though
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2204 [16:42:08] <zprd> hah no, the article is readable the
configuration it describes is not working
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2208 [16:42:46] <zprd> pasiz: nginx says 401 on login attmepts
2209 [16:43:15] <pasiz> zprd: how you assume that it is not
working if you can have 401 from it
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2211 [16:43:38] <pasiz> zprd: that means that you have not
authenticated and therefore you cannot access the content
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2214 [16:44:35] <zprd> pasiz: 401 is for failed auth, and that is
what I got
2215 [16:44:53] <zprd> {"message":"Invalid username
or password"}
2216 [16:46:23] <pasiz> and no log input why your authentication
is failed?
2217 [16:46:38] <zprd> [14/Aug/2019:16:39:33 +0200] "GET /
HTTP/1.1" 401 42 "-" "curl/7.64.0"
2218 [16:46:40] <zprd> simple 401
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2221 [16:46:52] <pasiz> zprd: on pam side
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2224 [16:47:18] <zprd> auth.log says nothing
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2227 [16:47:29] <pasiz> pam logs to syslog
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2230 [16:48:02] <zprd> hmu
2231 [16:48:04] <zprd> let me look
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2234 [16:48:34] <Grefoley> Hi, is there a way to clear the cache
of apt but for only one repo to force the update of only this
package ? The ideal is to not download the last information about
all packages
2235 [16:48:41] <pasiz> grep pam from /var/log/messages
/var/log/secure
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2237 [16:49:04] <tachikomas> Grefoley: why do you want to do this
?
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2240 [16:49:58] <Grefoley> because i have an internal repo with
only one packeg that i want to upgrade and i do not want to overload
the proxy for my server
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2245 [16:51:23] <Akuw> finished script
2246 [16:51:27] <Akuw> all working
2247 [16:51:28] <zprd> pasiz: no result with a grep, but the app
(grafana-server) I proxied to is login failed attempts
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2249 [16:51:46] <zprd> tha might be it
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2253 [16:53:12] <pasiz> Grefoley: by manually on fs maybe?
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2257 [16:53:51] <zprd> I didn't expect grafana answering to
auth
2258 [16:54:22] <tachikomas> well you can specify the package you
want to upgrade
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2262 [16:55:18] <AlexNagySchool> Okay, alkisg , for whatever
reason Mint is being an ass. I have a 16GB thumb drive inserted,
dd'ing to /dev/sdb (no other drives inserted), yet it runs out
of space after 3.6GB being wrote? and if I remove/reinsert Thunar
picks up the drive as completely empty with 15.7GB free.
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2266 [16:56:28] <AlexNagySchool> and popping it over to windows
shows 14.5GB free. I feel like something bad-wrong is happening and
I have no clue what questions to even ask at this point.
2267 [16:56:40] <jard> e tank nozzeles aren't tanks
2268 [16:56:45] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: what's the output of
sudo fdisk -l, sudo gparted -l, sudo lsblk --fs ?
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2271 [16:57:55] <AlexNagySchool> also, before I run those: the
drive gets labeled as debian 10.0.0 amd64 (from the first time I
tried running it, I ruined that thumb drive, I'll have to
recover it later).
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2273 [16:58:29] <jard> debian 10 buged don't use it
2274 [16:58:45] <pasiz> AlexNagySchool: 2^10 in windows, your
drive is specified with si units on marketing
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2277 [16:59:15] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: btw, how large is the dvd
you're trying to write? More than 3.6?
2278 [16:59:18] <AlexNagySchool> pasiz not the issue here, I know.
Been dicking around with Linux and Windows for a very long time now.
2279 [16:59:56] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, 3.8GB dvd image
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2281 [17:00:10] <alkisg> Are you sure it wasn't written, and
it's the GB vs GiB difference?
2282 [17:00:29] <pasiz> AlexNagySchool: so you blame linux mint
for ruining dd and linux block devices?
2283 [17:00:30] <AlexNagySchool> yes, removing the drive and
reinserting it shows an empty drive
2284 [17:00:32] <alkisg> After writing the dvd, there won't
be any space left to write; it's a read-only file system
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2286 [17:00:37] <alkisg> OK, run the commands then
2287 [17:00:43] <zprd> pasiz: thx for the pointers
2288 [17:00:47] <AlexNagySchool> I am, alkisg
2289 [17:01:05] <zprd> I wanted a pre-auth step I have more
2290 [17:01:18] <AlexNagySchool> pasiz I'm not blaming anyone
fucktard. I said something bad-wrong has happened, 10/10 user error
for sure.
2291 [17:01:19] <pasiz> zprd: you are welcome.
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2294 [17:01:43] <pasiz> AlexNagySchool: did you unmount the
thumbdrive before dd?
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2298 [17:03:42] <pasiz> userland on most distros automatically
mounts all partitions that are on the thumbdrives. And writing with
dd on block device where partitions are mounted is not wise idea...
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2300 [17:04:59] <pasiz> -->
2301 [17:05:28] <AlexNagySchool> pasiz; I'm working with
alkisg, thanks though.
2302 [17:07:01] <AlexNagySchool> / alkisg: fdisk shows /dev/sda;
gparted -l errored saying no device 'l' exists, however
running gparted from the menu (and entering the password for sudo
that way) shows /dev/sdb as 3.8GB (not true); lsblk -l shows the
same thing as windows with the incorrect label
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2304 [17:07:56] <AlexNagySchool> And pasiz to answer your
question: Originally I did not, like a dumb-dumb. However, I'm
not working with that now fucked up thumb drive (which I'll
recover later).
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2314 [17:15:38] <AlexNagySchool>
replaced-url
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2318 [17:17:10] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: there's no sdb in
those commands
2319 [17:17:12] <Abdullah> if dist-upgrade can upgrade from
stretch to buster, why isn't debian rolling release?
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2321 [17:18:05] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg there's no sdb in
what you asked me to run, either, though I didn't run lsblk
exactly as requested.
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2323 [17:18:24] <alkisg> fdisk -l shows all the disks; it only
showed sda
2324 [17:18:44] <Abdullah> maybe he has only sda
2325 [17:18:45] <AlexNagySchool> and gparted showed none, and
lsblk showed sdb
2326 [17:18:52] <alkisg> parted -l, not gparted, sorry
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2328 [17:19:27] <alkisg> You can use paste.debian.net to paste
text quickly and avoid screenshots
2329 [17:19:55] <Abdullah> alkisg: paste.debian.org support syntax
highlighting and images?
2330 [17:20:11] <alkisg> Abdullah: we rarely ask for images
here...
2331 [17:20:39] <Abdullah> I'm just asking, but lemme check
it
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2334 [17:21:08] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: anyway, in the lsblk -l
(it should be --fs) output, it shows the device as mounted;
you're saying the contents of /media/jnagyjr/Debian are empty?
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2342 [17:24:21] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg yes
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2344 [17:25:13] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: let's see: ls
/media/jnagyjr/Debian*; df -h; lsblk --fs
2345 [17:25:19] <alkisg> Put those to paste.debian.net
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2348 [17:26:26] <AlexNagySchool> >,<
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2350 [17:26:36] <AlexNagySchool> if you'll give me a
minute...
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2357 [17:28:20] <AlexNagySchool> from earlier:
replaced-url
2358 [17:28:25] <AlexNagySchool> and now, for the last one
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2361 [17:29:29] <AlexNagySchool>
replaced-url
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2376 [17:34:31] <galaxie> Hi, I'm attempting to switch wi-fi
channels with 'iw dev <dev> set channel 1' but it
fails with operation not supported -95. Is that because my network
card cannot do that? It works on my other machine.
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2380 [17:35:34] <galaxie> And yes, I switched to monitor mode
successfully.
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2391 [17:39:40] <jelly-home> galaxie: perhaps channel
"1" is not a valid value for that radio?
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2393 [17:40:11] <jelly-home> (eg. there's no channel 1 on
5GHz)
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2395 [17:40:38] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: which cd is that? using
exfat? what was the .iso name?
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2397 [17:41:22] <galaxie> jelly-home: I can't use any value
whatsoever. Furthermore, iw dev on my other machine lists the
channel.
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2400 [17:41:58] <AlexNagySchool> debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
2401 [17:42:03] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, ^^
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2403 [17:42:29] <AlexNagySchool> the thumbdrive is formated with
exfat (for Windows compatibility)
2404 [17:42:48] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: dd IS formatting the
drive using the iso9660 file system
2405 [17:43:04] <AlexNagySchool> well yes, if it's actually
writing to the fs, but as you can see, it has not.
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2407 [17:43:28] <srged> I want to skip login at boot, I edited
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf but still doesnt work at all.
2408 [17:43:30] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: if you dd if=debian.iso
of=/dev/sdb, with sdb1 NOT mounted, then you won't have exfat
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2410 [17:43:49] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: well, unless dd shows
errors and your usb stick is broken
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2412 [17:44:06] <alkisg> If you run dmesg and you see input/output
errors, it's that
2413 [17:44:42] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: try it again: sudo umount
/dev/sdb*; sudo dd if=debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb
bs=1M status=progress
2414 [17:44:44] <greycat> autologin should be supported by
lightdm. What did you put in the file?
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2416 [17:44:54] <alkisg> If you see errors, stop and run dmesg,
and if you have input/output errors, throw the stick away
2417 [17:45:17] <srged> greycat: well, i edited
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and ... autologin-user=user
2418 [17:45:19] <srged> autologin-user-timeout=0
2419 [17:45:23] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2421 [17:45:41] <greycat> one of the responses to that response
says it worked on Debian buster
2422 [17:46:11] <alkisg> I just tested lightdm autologin in jessie
and stretch today, it worked fine
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2425 [17:46:45] <AlexNagySchool> umount said /dev/sdb not mounted
2426 [17:46:50] <alkisg> That's ok
2427 [17:46:53] <alkisg> sdb1 did unmount
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2431 [17:47:45] <srged> greycat: as im running debian 10, what
user-session should i put ?
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2433 [17:48:05] <greycat> I would try "debian" first.
2434 [17:48:13] <greycat> or just omit that line altogether
2435 [17:48:37] <srged> greycat: if i omit that line then i
already tried what is suggedted there
2436 [17:49:10] <alkisg> srged: can you pastebin your
lightdm.conf?
2437 [17:50:35] <srged> alkisg:
replaced-url
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2440 [17:51:04] <alkisg> srged: you don't have a section over
autologin
2441 [17:51:06] <alkisg> So it's invalid
2442 [17:51:07] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg,
replaced-url
2443 [17:51:19] <AlexNagySchool> dmesg has no errors
2444 [17:51:20] <alkisg> srged: move those under line 89
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2446 [17:52:18] <AlexNagySchool> brb
2447 [17:52:28] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: dmesg | tail => has
nothing?
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2449 [17:52:35] <srged> alkisg: ok i did that, brb rebooting
2450 [17:52:39] <alkisg> srged: no
2451 [17:52:43] <alkisg> sudo service lightdm restart
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2453 [17:52:45] <alkisg> Is enough
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2455 [17:53:11] <Dark> damn I wish I could run waimea under Debian
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2460 [17:54:47] <srged> alkisg: it worked now. thnaks !!
2461 [17:54:50] <alkisg> np
2462 [17:55:24] <karlpinc> AlexNagySchool: (Don't know what
you're dd-ing, but.... You know about the unofficial install
images with non-free firmware? See the <firmware images>
factoid.)
2463 [17:56:37] <AlexNagySchool>
replaced-url
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2465 [17:57:37] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: eh, with so many messages
in dmesg, maybe those came after the dd... try this instead: dmesg |
grep -i error | tail
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2473 [17:59:57] <AlexNagySchool> nothing relevant alkisg, only
errors from before the last dmesg when inserting my thumb drive.
I'll gist them in a moment (Firefox on Mint hates gist, ffs)
2474 [18:00:15] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: dmesg | grep -i error |
tail | nc termbin.com 9999
2475 [18:00:23] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: this pastebins
automatically
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2478 [18:00:29] <alkisg> And shows the result url
2479 [18:00:37] <AlexNagySchool>
replaced-url
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2481 [18:00:52] <AlexNagySchool> I'll just keep chrome open
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2483 [18:01:50] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: have you rebooted
recently? If you confused the system in the past with dd on mounted
system, it could have issues
2484 [18:02:04] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: if you reboot and you
still see exfat, I'd throw away that stick
2485 [18:02:28] <AlexNagySchool> I rebooted after seemingly
ruining my second thumb drive. I'll check the drive in Windows.
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2487 [18:03:17] <AlexNagySchool> but I'm going to contend
it's not the stick. I've had other thumb drives in here
identify as Debian 10.0.0 without even having run any commands.
2488 [18:03:56] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: maybe you have another
usb stick to the back that you forgot about, one that is 4 gb?
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2491 [18:04:27] <AlexNagySchool> No. This is on a laptop. I have
three usb ports, one of which is being used for a wireless mouse.
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2496 [18:04:41] <AlexNagySchool> All of them are on the sides
(left-right). None in the back.
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2500 [18:05:06] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: so if you remove the
stick, sdb disappears from parted -l?
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2510 [18:07:18] <AlexNagySchool> sorry, accidentally put the lid
down on the laptop.
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2512 [18:07:26] <AlexNagySchool> missed any msgs since my last.
2513 [18:07:32] <alkisg> (07:05:06 PM) alkisg: AlexNagySchool: so
if you remove the stick, sdb disappears from parted -l?
2514 [18:07:58] <AlexNagySchool> I'm successfully downloading
the debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso directly on to the stick
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2516 [18:08:43] <AlexNagySchool> running parted -l now while the
iso downloads on Windows.
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2518 [18:09:10] <alkisg> Can you format the stick to ntfs for a
test?
2519 [18:09:23] <alkisg> If exfat disappears, then I agree the
stick is ok
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2521 [18:10:44] <AlexNagySchool>
replaced-url
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2523 [18:11:28] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: if you removed the stick
and parted still sees it, it's an issue
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2525 [18:11:30] <AlexNagySchool> formatting on Windows right now
to ntfs
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2527 [18:11:53] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, yeah, I'm fairly
certain on that.
2528 [18:12:06] <AlexNagySchool> (and no, I didn't select
quick format)
2529 [18:12:47] <AlexNagySchool> At least it's not showing in
Thunar.
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2561 [18:24:03] <AlexNagySchool> lsblk isn't showing it,
however.
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2565 [18:26:11] <AlexNagySchool> I know what the issue was, for
some reason a real file named 'sdb' was created in /dev/
2566 [18:26:40] <AlexNagySchool> I did an 'sudo rm
/dev/sdb' and inserted a new thumb drive. No issues with disks
being mislabeled and it's not improperly showing up in parted.
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2576 [18:30:04] <rb1> hi
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2592 [18:35:02] <stu314> hi, i'd like to ask some experienced
users of buster arm64 on rpi 3b+ some questions regarding the dtb
files, overlays and rpi uarts. are there any such users here? :-)
2593 [18:35:37] <greycat> !arm
2594 [18:35:38] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor
architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0
"Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0
"Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement
port. See also <armhf>.
replaced-url
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2597 [18:36:50] <AlexNagySchool> format on drive is done
2598 [18:36:51] <stu314> grecyat: ? (arm != arm64)
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2600 [18:39:02] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg,
replaced-url
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2602 [18:40:28] <stu314> greycat: you mean that i should join some
debian-arm64 channel (there is no such channel on freenode) instead?
2603 [18:40:52] <greycat> Or "in addition". Since there
are more likely to be people who know ARM stuff there.
2604 [18:41:23] <stu314> ok :-) thanks
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2613 [18:54:01] <jhutchins_wk> stu314: Not every architecture is
going to have a community broad and active enough to support an IRC
channel. A lot of stuff still lives on mailing lists and forums.
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2616 [18:56:55] <stu314> jhutchins_wk: ok
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2619 [18:57:55] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg,
replaced-url
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2621 [18:58:23] <AlexNagySchool> lunch, then Debian
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2645 [19:11:29] <tachikomas> Hello debian channel, Is there any
reason that a package could be disponible for an arch for old stable
/ old old stable, bullseye and sid, but not on buster ?
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2648 [19:12:01] <greycat> Yes. Assuming you mean
"available".
2649 [19:12:05] <greycat> Happens all the time.
2650 [19:12:12] <tachikomas> not in the repo
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2652 [19:12:23] <tachikomas> nrpe-ng-client / nrpe-ng-server
2653 [19:12:30] <greycat> ,v nrpe-ng-server
2654 [19:12:31] <judd> No package named 'nrpe-ng-server'
was found in amd64.
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2656 [19:12:35] <greycat> *sigh*
2657 [19:12:55] <greycat> several apt-cache searches later...
2658 [19:12:57] <greycat> ,v nagios-nrpe-server
2659 [19:12:59] <judd> Package: nagios-nrpe-server on amd64 --
jessie: 2.15-1; stretch: 3.0.1-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
3.2.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.2.1-2; bullseye: 3.2.1-3; sid: 3.2.1-3
2660 [19:13:03] <tachikomas> not the same package
2661 [19:13:10] <greycat> Then what is the *actual* package name?
2662 [19:13:11] <tachikomas> its nrpe not nrpe-ng :D
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2664 [19:13:22] <tachikomas> nrpe-ng-client and nrpe-ng-server
2665 [19:13:31] <greycat> ,v nrpe-ng-client
2666 [19:13:32] <judd> No package named 'nrpe-ng-client'
was found in amd64.
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2668 [19:14:43] <tachikomas> sorry nsca-ng-client
2669 [19:14:52] <tachikomas> and nsca-ng-server
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2671 [19:15:02] <greycat> ,v nsca-ng-server
2672 [19:15:03] <judd> Package: nsca-ng-server on amd64 -- jessie:
1.4-1; stretch: 1.5-2; bullseye: 1.6-3; sid: 1.6-3
2673 [19:15:23] <greycat> To see why it's not in buster,
start with
replaced-url
2674 [19:15:35] <greycat> [2018-09-09] nsca-ng REMOVED from
testing (Debian testing watch)
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2676 [19:15:52] <tachikomas> oh, the tracker, thanks
2677 [19:16:04] <tachikomas> Ok so its in testing.
2678 [19:16:14] <tachikomas> and any chance it will be merged to
buster ?
2679 [19:16:18] <greycat> No.
2680 [19:16:37] <greycat> But someone, maybe even you, could
backport it, once #900152 is fixed, if it's not already.
2681 [19:16:38] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2683 [19:16:55] <tachikomas> I will take a look at this.
2684 [19:17:01] <tachikomas> Thanks a lot
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2688 [19:18:38] <greycat> if I'm reading this correctly, that
bug was fixed by a new upstream release, which occurred after buster
was already frozen
2689 [19:18:59] <greycat> ,checkbackport nsca-ng-server
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2691 [19:19:00] <judd> Backporting package nsca-ng-server in
sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
buster.
2692 [19:19:08] <greycat> You might be able to backport it right
now.
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2699 [19:23:53] <Akuw> i made a crontab with 2 lines
2700 [19:24:07] <Akuw> 22 14 * * *
/home/x/QFREE/scripts/connect_vpn.expect
2701 [19:24:40] <Akuw> 23 14 * * * /home/x/scripts/ver_action.sh
2702 [19:24:52] <Akuw> but second one is never executed
2703 [19:25:05] <Akuw> path is ok and i run manually without
problems
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2706 [19:26:12] <jim> how did you find out it's never
executed?
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2708 [19:26:38] <jim> oops, irl thing... brb
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2710 [19:28:03] <Akuw> jim: dont get log file
2711 [19:28:11] <Akuw> my script creates log file
2712 [19:28:13] <Akuw> and send mail
2713 [19:28:48] <Akuw> i am getting Aug 14 14:23:01 stretch
CRON[11889]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
2714 [19:29:03] <mureena> yeah because it exits with error
2715 [19:29:15] <mureena> what's your shebang line
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2718 [19:30:40] <annadane> so wait, you know the first one was
executed... how? if you can't receive mail
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2720 [19:30:54] <Akuw> first line connect with vpn
2721 [19:31:03] <Akuw> and vpn is connected i am checking
2722 [19:31:21] <Akuw> but second i run manually and runs ok
2723 [19:31:31] <jelly> Akuw: is the /home/x/scripts/ver_action.sh
file executable and does it have a valid #! first line?
2724 [19:31:31] <Akuw> the problem is when running from contab
2725 [19:32:04] <Akuw> jelly: no #!
2726 [19:32:08] <Akuw> let me change
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2728 [19:32:17] <pete4242> Yes, what jelly says
2729 [19:32:18] <jelly> then it's not a valid executable
2730 [19:32:58] <jim> doesn't that mean it defaults to sh?
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2733 [19:33:29] <greycat> jim: *some* programs will fall back to
making a second attempt using sh, when the first attempt to execute
a thing fails. Other programs may fall back to something else. Or
nothing.
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2737 [19:34:18] <greycat> Bash falls back to reading the first 100
bytes or so, checking whether any of them is NUL, and if not, then
it falls back to "bash".
2738 [19:34:19] <pete4242> It looks like ascii text to the system.
Why would it use sh?
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2740 [19:34:52] <pete4242> Oh ok
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2743 [19:35:14] <pete4242> Akuw: So does it work now?
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2746 [19:35:27] <jim> having said all that, you should have a #!
line to specify which interpreter you want
2747 [19:35:35] <Akuw> wait
2748 [19:35:39] <Akuw> i will run
2749 [19:35:43] <Akuw> sorry
2750 [19:35:43] <greycat> EVERY script should have the correct
shebang (#!) line. No exceptions.
2751 [19:35:44] <jim> at the very least, it goes to documentation
2752 [19:35:44] <jhutchins_wk> That and full paths to any commands
or files.
2753 [19:35:51] <Akuw> i am changing crontab
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2755 [19:35:56] <greycat> Do not rely on the fallback behaviors of
random programs.
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2757 [19:36:56] <Akuw> what my scripts is connect to vpn, ping to
some ip if ok then run an script that verify some host and extranct
some info from 17 hosts
2758 [19:37:02] <jim> how do you know which program runs, if
there's no #! line?
2759 [19:37:06] <Akuw> then send by mail all what founds
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2761 [19:37:10] <Akuw> ok
2762 [19:37:16] <Akuw> first line running
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2765 [19:38:01] <jelly> some interactive shells try to interpret a
script themselves if there's no shebang ( #! ) line
2766 [19:38:03] <greycat> the invisible pink unicorn spins a giant
wheel
2767 [19:38:27] <Akuw> ok
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2769 [19:38:34] * jelly never understood why teaching users that could
work was desirable
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2771 [19:39:15] <greycat> Ah, it's not the first 100 bytes.
It's "the contents of the first line (or up to 80
characters)".
2772 [19:39:45] <jim> if it's not known what the behavior
would be, you absolutely do need a #!
2773 [19:39:53] <Akuw> damm
2774 [19:39:58] <Akuw> i put vash
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2776 [19:40:04] <Akuw> i will eat something
2777 [19:40:07] <Akuw> will be back
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2780 [19:41:31] <greycat>
replaced-url
2781 [19:41:47] <greycat> ^ bash's fallback heuristic.
2782 [19:42:07] * jelly falls back, slowly
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2784 [19:42:24] <jim> Akuw, one thing, you might find the syntax
of bash, or sh (or maybe any shell) to be weird... maybe you should
think about learning a non-shell scripting language (perl, python,
lua, at least... there are lots more too)
2785 [19:42:40] <greycat> I wouldn't suggest perl as a first
language.
2786 [19:43:00] <greycat> especially not for someone who is
completely flummoxed by sh
2787 [19:43:09] <jim> is that his first language?
2788 [19:43:27] <jelly> I think that might be Spanish
2789 [19:43:31] * jelly hides
2790 [19:43:53] <jim> so you need #!/usr/bin/spanish?
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2792 [19:44:27] <greycat> #!/usr/bin/readmymind
2793 [19:44:44] <jelly> ,file bin/dwim
2794 [19:44:49] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with
that file.
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2796 [19:47:19] <greycat> Going back to the technical for a
moment... when you try to run ./foo either from a shell or from find
-exec or from xargs or from a C program using execlp() or
whatever... if ./foo doesn't have a shebang or a recognized
binary header (ELF or a.out), then the kernel returns ENOEXEC
("exec format error") to your program.
2797 [19:47:31] <greycat> If your program is a hand-written C
program, you will have to handle that yourself.
2798 [19:47:53] <greycat> If your program is xargs or find -exec
or a few other things, it will usually fall back to trying again
with "/bin/sh" or "sh".
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2800 [19:48:17] <greycat> If your program is bash, then the
fallback is as I described (either bomb out if a NUL occurs before
the first newline within the first 80 chars, or fall back to
"bash").
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2802 [19:48:22] <jim> ok, so no #! and not a binary executable, is
actually an error
2803 [19:48:31] <greycat> These fallbacks are always the *second*
thing tried, and only when the first thing returns ENOEXEC.
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2806 [19:49:44] <jim> so that's how it could be that
different programs (maybe shells) could decide differently what to
run if no #!
2807 [19:50:14] <pete4242> What happend if you do #!/bin/rm ? :P
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2809 [19:50:55] <greycat> depends on whether /bin/rm exists on
your machine ;-)
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2811 [19:51:05] <jim> more useful, executable file called readme
with /usr/bin/less
2812 [19:51:13] <greycat> assuming it does, the kernel will
execute "/bin/rm" "your file"
2813 [19:51:24] <pete4242> yes
2814 [19:51:30] <pete4242> jim: that's a good one
2815 [19:52:12] <jim> pete4242, debian packaging pretty often uses
#!/usr/bin/make
2816 [19:52:31] <jim> pete4242, on the file /debian/rules
2817 [19:52:41] <greycat> I think that needs a -f
2818 [19:52:52] <greycat> a shebang is allowed ONE (1) argument
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2821 [19:53:21] <greycat> so you can have #!/bin/bash -x but you
cannot have #!/usr/bin/env bash -x
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2826 [19:54:02] <pete4242> jim: What's the point of using
make in the shebang? The target clearly already exists?!
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2828 [19:54:34] <greycat> pete4242: long ago, the official way to
build a package was to run the command "debian/rules
binary" from the correct directory
2829 [19:54:55] <greycat> debian/rules has +x perms and a
#!/usr/bin/make -f (IIRC) shebang, to allow that
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2834 [19:56:19] <jim> pete4242, so .../debian/rules is really an
executable makefile (but other things are possible)
2835 [19:56:45] <greycat> awk scripts, sed scripts are both
somewhat common, or were common in the olden days
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2837 [19:57:15] <greycat> perl, python, tcl, ruby, etc.
2838 [19:57:23] <jim> is debian/rules still a file?
2839 [19:57:38] <greycat> as far as I know
2840 [19:58:00] <jim> but no longer usually a makefile?
2841 [19:58:13] <greycat> pick a package, apt-get source it, look
and see
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2844 [19:59:26] <alkisg> debian/rules is a makefile based on
debhelper
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2846 [20:02:07] <jim> greycat, reason I'm asking you, is you
said "long ago, the official way to build a package was to run
the command "debian/rules binary" from the correct
directory",,, did you mean to imply that's no longer the
case?
2847 [20:02:27] <greycat> the current method is
"dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" or something
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2849 [20:03:02] <jim> oh... doesn't that run debian/rules
clean; debian/rules build; debian/rules binary?
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2861 [20:08:48] <jim> (which means those need to work)
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2896 [20:27:08] <Akuw> same
2897 [20:27:12] <Akuw> Aug 14 15:26:18 stretch CRON[13384]: (CRON)
info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
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2902 [20:28:03] <Akuw> i am using msmtp
2903 [20:28:15] <Akuw> but when run manually dont get any error
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2912 [20:33:00] <rrttyy> Hey guys, I just accidentally chowned my
entire root directory to the user. How do I undo this?
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2914 [20:33:14] <greycat> What *exactly* did you do?
2915 [20:33:15] <rrttyy> command:
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2917 [20:33:23] <rrttyy> chown user:user *
2918 [20:33:28] <hwm4rgs> rrttyy: You can't.
2919 [20:33:30] <greycat> Oh, not recursive? Then there's
hope.
2920 [20:33:35] <hwm4rgs> but at least you didn't do it
recursively
2921 [20:33:41] <dvs> yeah
2922 [20:33:41] <greycat> Just restore the correct ownerships on
each directory one by one.
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2924 [20:33:53] <rrttyy> What are the correct ownerships?
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2926 [20:34:01] <hwm4rgs> Depends on what they were before you
changed them,
2927 [20:34:06] <greycat> What directory were you in at the time,
and what release of Debian is it?
2928 [20:34:15] <rrttyy> Debian stable
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2930 [20:34:24] <rrttyy> I was in /root
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2932 [20:34:35] <greycat> Oh, then there's nothing that
matters.
2933 [20:34:49] <greycat> /root is just a dumping ground for
whatever you want to put there
2934 [20:35:02] <rrttyy> Do I just run "chown root:root
*"
2935 [20:35:03] <greycat> chown it all to root:root, it'll
probably be fine
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2937 [20:35:11] <rrttyy> Great, thanks.
2938 [20:35:23] <rrttyy> I see now how my initial statement was
misleading
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2940 [20:35:40] <Akuw> greycat: to run msmtp from crontab i have
to provide full path?
2941 [20:35:44] <Cyb0ti> Classic XY question?
2942 [20:35:50] <greycat> no
2943 [20:35:57] <greycat> just ambiguous wording
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2945 [20:36:28] <rrttyy> I should have specified /root because it
looked like /
2946 [20:36:29] <Akuw> echo -e "Subject: Report
\r\n\r\n$val" | msmtp -a default jps@gmail.com
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2948 [20:37:20] <Akuw> but my cron is not sending mail -->
syslog --> (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
2949 [20:37:38] <Cyb0ti> rrttyy: You must have panicked, a
little...
2950 [20:37:49] <rrttyy> I did, a lot!
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2952 [20:38:10] <rrttyy> I thought this was it, everything's
gone!
2953 [20:38:30] <rrttyy> And I was really glad the same session
was still up
2954 [20:38:41] <rrttyy> At least there was hope
2955 [20:38:54] <rrttyy> But everything's fine now.
2956 [20:38:57] <rrttyy> WHat a rollercoaster
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2970 [20:44:35] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Gee, if only there were some
info in the error message that told you it couldn't find an
mta.
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2972 [20:45:08] <Akuw> but i created an script only with that line
anse send mail
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2974 [20:45:14] <Akuw> so the problem is another
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2977 [20:49:11] <jhutchins_wk> rrttyy: Experience is proportional
to data destroyed.
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2980 [20:49:31] <dvs> I have more experience so I destroy more
data!
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2987 [20:51:12] <pasiz> i lost last year 12 tb data pool on almost
simultaneous three disk failure, so i'm really experienced
now...
2988 [20:51:36] <greycat> I think it's not the raw quantity
of data, but the importance of the data, that matters here.
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2990 [20:52:10] <mtnman> greycat that is the usual case regarding
data.
2991 [20:52:16] <dvs> pasiz, you're a pro! ;-)
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3010 [20:56:34] * Bushmills feels like a noob, and considers getting rid
of those bluddy backups to gain experience
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3031 [21:09:25] <annadane> so... people who use ZFS learn nothing?
conclusion: BSD users are noobs
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3042 [21:12:40] <vir4> hi all. which files I should download or
which cpu I should use for install debian latest version (armhf)
inside qemu ?
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3055 [21:15:39] <vir4> related to
replaced-url
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3060 [21:20:47] <Peyam> is this a wonderful system?
replaced-url
3061 [21:21:15] <Peyam> how do I know what c++ version I use? and
what do I do to enable c++11 in debian linux?
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3063 [21:21:39] <greycat> you could try "c++ --version"
for starters
3064 [21:22:00] <greycat> I'm not sure if *all* C++ compiler
front-ends implement --version but it's a good starting point
3065 [21:22:16] <Peyam> greycat,
replaced-url
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3067 [21:22:22] <Peyam> 2016
3068 [21:22:30] <Peyam> 6.3.---
3069 [21:22:40] <greycat> sounds like you're on stretch
(Debian 9, oldstable)
3070 [21:22:48] <greycat> ,v g++
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3090 [21:22:49] <judd> Package: g++ on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2;
stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; bullseye: 4:8.3.0-1; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; sid:
4:8.3.0-1; experimental: 4:9-20181127-1
3091 [21:23:04] <Peyam> is strech old stable?
3092 [21:23:09] <greycat> yes, for a month now
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3094 [21:23:33] <Peyam> I never got that thing with debian and
version numbers. Isn't stretch always the unstable one?
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3096 [21:23:41] <Peyam> sid is the stable one right?
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3098 [21:23:50] <greycat> GODS no
3099 [21:23:54] <greycat> !buster
3100 [21:23:55] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06.
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see
replaced-url
3101 [21:24:00] <greycat> !sid
3102 [21:24:00] <dpkg> [sid] the codename for <unstable>,
named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing
about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the
pieces!!
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3108 [21:24:19] <Peyam> Some stupid ass told me that stretch is
always the unstable one and it never change name.
3109 [21:24:26] <greycat> that's sid
3110 [21:24:53] <Peyam> wait. so sid is the unstable one and all
the unstable versions are named Sid?
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3113 [21:25:03] <annadane> unstable is always sid, yes
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3115 [21:25:15] <greycat> It's not really accurate to talk
about "unstable versions". Sid is eternal. Sid is sid. It
doesn't have "versions".
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3122 [21:26:08] <annadane> stretch is oldstable currently, buster
is stable, bullseye will be the next stable but currently testing,
and bookworm is too far off to warrant discussion. sid is debian
unstable and is always codenamed sid
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3124 [21:26:17] <Peyam> okey . Then Now I have version 9
3125 [21:26:22] <Peyam> is the current one 10?
3126 [21:26:24] <annadane> yes
3127 [21:26:32] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
3128 [21:26:32] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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3129 [21:26:42] <Peyam> does it mean that I have to reinstall
everything
3130 [21:26:42] <Peyam> ?
3131 [21:26:44] <annadane> no
3132 [21:26:53] <Peyam> is it dist-upgrade?
3133 [21:26:59] <greycat> The bot just told you.
3134 [21:27:07] <annadane> read the release notes
3135 [21:27:13] <Peyam> yeah you are right greycat
3136 [21:27:17] <Peyam> thanks
3137 [21:27:27] <Peyam> I'll do it later. I'm happy with
this one sodar
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3139 [21:27:29] <Peyam> so far
3140 [21:27:45] <annadane> you still have 11 months
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3233 [22:16:34] <mlshew> I'm unable to use ECDSAP256SHA256
(Algorithm 13) keys in bind for DNSSEC. Other algorithms work just
fine, but trying to use zone signing and key signing keys of type
ECDSAP256SHA256 results in an error messages of "ECDSA_do_sign
failed (sign failure)", "error:100F809E:elliptic curve
routines:ECDSA_sign_setup:random number generation
failed:../crypto/ec/ecdsa_ossl.c:90:", and
"error:100F902A:elliptic curve routines:ossl_ecdsa_sign_sig
3234 [22:16:35] <mlshew> :ECDSA
lib:../crypto/ec/ecdsa_ossl.c:213:". Does anyone have any
suggestions on this, or suggestions on who/where I should ask before
opening a bug report? Thanks!
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3236 [22:16:50] <mlshew> Oh, this is for debian buster.
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3242 [22:19:47] <adeel> i have a specific device that only has
debian drivers for debian 8; is there a way to prevent the kernel
from upgrading, but otherwise run a normal debian 10 system?
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3251 [22:24:36] <mallxs> on stretch gnome ... does this still uses
/etc/gdm3/Init/Default ? i can't get my synergyc starting ffrom
there .. and actually don't see any action from there !
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3253 [22:24:59] <Akuw> finally
3254 [22:25:04] <adeel> looks like the aptitude hold
<package> should do it, or dpkg --set-selections
"<package> hold"
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3277 [22:32:57] <karlpinc> mlshew: Only that you look for an
existing bug report.
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3285 [22:36:37] <jhutchins_wk> mlshew: I take it this driver is
not OSS.
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3307 [22:49:01] <dipirona> hi
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3321 [22:54:15] <karlpinc> !ask
3322 [22:54:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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