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• 2[00:02:27] <EdePopede> f91w: did you try testdisk?
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• 5[00:03:41] <f91w> EdePopede: No, but I installed it.
• 6[00:05:28] <f91w> :<
• 7[00:05:39] <EdePopede> and general hint: be conservative. if possible, backup even the broken partition, try without write access first (not sure what is possible anymore, used it some years ago)
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• 9[00:06:34] <f91w> i have it as a nonpersistent vmdk attachment
• 10[00:06:39] <f91w> so anything i write can be rescinded
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• 12[00:07:31] <EdePopede> ah that's good. always better to work on a copy
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• 26[00:13:29] <dualspace> how many usermodes does it take to join a fucking channel you dumb lawn monkeys
• 27[00:13:38] <dualspace> fucking jackass
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• 30[00:14:21] <dualspace> TALK YOU FUCKING PENIS
• 31[00:14:24] <darsie> 42
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• 36[00:14:32] <themill> more than you have.
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• 43[00:16:12] <f91w> EdePopede: he has a point
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• 45[00:16:29] <f91w> err
• 46[00:16:44] <f91w> themill: freenode has gotten very restrictive
• 47[00:16:51] <f91w> i used to not hav eto register to talk on a channel
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• 49[00:17:03] <themill> so?
• 50[00:17:18] <f91w> the point is that was less restrictive
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• 52[00:17:25] <EdePopede> f91w: thank the spam bots
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• 54[00:17:45] <coruja> f91w, you've just seen why
• 55[00:17:50] <themill> f91w: that's no excuse for that sort of behaviour
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• 57[00:17:58] <f91w> coruja: pretty sure dualspace wasn't a spam bot
• 58[00:18:04] <EdePopede> right atm i've had to set some channels to +R elsewhere
• 59[00:18:04] <themill> Moving on.
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• 61[00:18:21] <coruja> it was unwanted and misbehaving, bot or human
• 62[00:18:32] <f91w> themill: eh dude this is irc
• 63[00:18:38] <EdePopede> so what?
• 64[00:19:00] <themill> f91w: that doesn't mean you're allowed to be an abusive idiot.
• 65[00:19:05] <EdePopede> irc doesn't mean you can be an asshole if you feel like being one
• 66[00:19:25] <f91w> I get it, you're a janitor and you want things clean
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• 69[00:19:44] <coruja> there may be chatrooms where you can be, but this one isn't
• 70[00:19:44] <f91w> but he wasn't an asshole or abusive to anyone in particular
• 71[00:19:53] <themill> f91w: that's enough, thanks.
• 72[00:20:04] <EdePopede> you dumb lawn monkeys
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• 74[00:20:35] <EdePopede> due to the structure of english language this may mean the ops in here, or everyone
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• 76[00:20:55] <themill> Let's move on.
• 77[00:21:19] <f91w> themill: I don't know about you but if we're dumb lawn monkeys I think we really need an open discussion or inquiry
• 78[00:21:31] <coruja> !ot
• 79[00:21:32] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 80[00:21:50] <themill> f91w: no, we don't need to discuss whether racial slurs are appropriate. They are not.
• 81[00:21:52] <EdePopede> for buster? :
• 82[00:21:53] <EdePopede> :D
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• 85[00:23:02] <f91w> I, for one, welcome our dumb lawn monkey overlords.
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• 92[00:27:47] <Rubin> Iv come across a fix for a bug in the debian bug tracking system. I sen't a follow-up message to the bug system, but I wonder if it will languaish. Should I do anything else to help get a patch pushed? replaced-url
• 93[00:27:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 101[00:33:24] <somiaj> Rubin: do you see your email on that link yet? If not maybe you didn't send it correctly.
• 102[00:33:44] <orlock> Quick question - Does Debian (Jessia, specifically) include specific patch numbers in version responses?
• 103[00:33:50] <somiaj> Rubin: Also did you provide a patch, that will help the matianer fix things (and has it been fixed upstream, sometimes matainers wait for the fix to come from upstream)
• 104[00:33:52] <orlock> From what i can tell, the answer is no
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• 106[00:34:14] <Rubin> somiaj, yes, i'm the 2nd one 'Alex'
• 107[00:34:33] <Rubin> i did not provide a patch (because I don't really know how) but i'm willing to learn if someone can give me a hand
• 108[00:34:34] <somiaj> orlock: define what you mean by specific patch numbers. Debian version numbers should follow epoc:<upstreamversion>-<debian revision>
• 109[00:34:57] <orlock> somiaj: Whoops, i missed a work. in Apache version responses
• 110[00:35:17] <orlock> somiaj: ie sshd responses include a patch level, apache, in my quick check, does not
• 111[00:35:19] <somiaj> orlock: so that is why you often see -1, -2, -3 at the end over version numbers to say debian vevision which includes debian specific patches.
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• 113[00:35:27] <Rubin> I am trying to investigate if it was fixed upstream but .. ganglia's upstream seems a bit broken. I can only find reference to an svn repository on sourceforge that hasnt been updated since 2014
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• 116[00:35:53] <somiaj> Rubin: sometimes matainers are just slow, and users can use your report as either a workaround or if you provide a patch to patch it themselves.
• 117[00:36:22] <orlock> somiaj: yeah, i'm wondering specificalyl about the Apache server version. I've checked a few, none seem to include a patch level
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• 119[00:36:31] <somiaj> orlock: ahh, I'm talking about debian package versions. It might depend on the matainer if they add the debian specific version number to the actual binary version for its response.
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• 123[00:36:50] <themill> orlock: apache can be configured to do so or not
• 124[00:37:29] <orlock> Yeah, i'm just curious as to the default. I'm sure i have a jessie system here somewhere...
• 125[00:37:37] <orlock> but i thought it might be faster to come and ask
• 126[00:40:00] <somiaj> Rubin: replaced-url
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• 128[00:40:46] <themill> orlock: see "/etc/apache2/conf-available/security.conf". replaced-url
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• 130[00:41:54] <orlock> themill: If i had access to the shell, i'd just query the package list, but thanks
• 131[00:42:18] <orlock> bad "pentesters' don't understand backported security fixes.
• 132[00:42:31] <themill> ack
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• 134[00:42:52] <somiaj> orlock: are you looking to see that a specific CVE is fixed?
• 135[00:42:55] <orlock> but as fa ras i can tell, by default we don't display the specific patch levels
• 136[00:43:11] <themill> orlock: the package seems to have "ServerTokens OS" as the default
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• 139[00:43:29] <orlock> somiaj: yeah, kind of. I can see it's been updated since that vulnerability was fixed.
• 140[00:43:44] <themill> but none of these server tokens include the Debian revision
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• 142[00:44:05] <orlock> themill: yeah, i've been checking on the dozens of local systems and they all only report the base apache verdion
• 143[00:44:10] <somiaj> orlock: replaced-url
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• 146[00:45:33] <orlock> somiaj: Yeah, been looking there. What i'm after right now specifically, is when CVE-2017-9798 was patched for jessie
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• 148[00:45:42] <orlock> It's completely stupid, i understand
• 149[00:45:49] <orlock> but sometimes you have to show people things are stupid
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• 151[00:46:48] <orlock> replaced-url
• 152[00:49:21] <orlock> So going by the ssh version banner (September 2018 release date), this host has had a package update done since then
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• 154[00:49:53] <orlock> so likely is not vulnerable to CVE-2017-9798, but it's impossible to tell that just by the apache version.
• 155[00:50:13] <orlock> I can make an educated guess however
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• 174[01:03:49] <Someone_Else> what's the proper way of adding multiple ipv6 addresses on a single interface in stretch?
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• 369[03:17:37] <karlpinc> orlock: You could read the debian changelog in /usr/share/doc/apache2/changelog.Debian.gz
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• 374[03:21:11] <usney> hey guys
• 375[03:21:40] <usney> I am new to cron how do I create a basic cron job at start up to turn on screen with an app in screen?
• 376[03:22:05] <CyberManifest> Linux manual entry for cron, acquired from terminal command: 'man cron': replaced-url
• 377[03:23:48] <CyberManifest> for startup you can moidfy /etc/rc.local
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• 385[03:26:15] <z8z> Full freeze means Debian 10 will be released soon?
• 386[03:26:27] <z8z> Or there is some specific date?
• 387[03:27:37] <dvs> !wir
• 388[03:27:37] <dpkg> rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>.
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• 398[03:39:16] <samantha-> best way to back up 13tb?
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• 426[04:01:59] <hanasaki> What file format do you folks prefer for qemu disk images?
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• 461[04:29:31] <kreyren> why `wine-staging` package in debian buster is not callable via terminal?
• 462[04:31:00] <kreyren> not present in /usr/lib*/ either
• 463[04:31:20] <Unit193> There is no wine-staging in buster, there's a third party repo that installs it to /opt
• 464[04:31:22] <kreyren> installing it from buster assuming that it's more current than winehq-staging
• 465[04:31:46] <kreyren> Unit193 ty it's in /opt
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• 473[04:36:13] <hejux> hello, do i need to restart cron.service to active newly created crontabs?
• 474[04:36:46] <dvs> nope
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• 476[04:36:59] <hejux> systemctl says "cron.service enabled"
• 477[04:37:25] <hejux> dvs:thanks
• 478[04:38:24] <hejux> ## run apt upgrade everyday at 0:10
• 479[04:38:26] <hejux> 10 0 * * * apt update && apt upgrade -y
• 480[04:38:34] <hejux> does this look good to you?
• 481[04:38:34] <dvs> bah
• 482[04:38:49] <dvs> I wouldn't do it.
• 483[04:39:12] <nevivurn> Why not unattended-upgrades?
• 484[04:39:39] <dvs> I'd worry about any config changes that might need attention
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• 486[04:40:56] <nevivurn> Unattended-upgrades is usually good enough for keeping up with security upgrades, and run it manually every once in a while (assuming you're running stable) for the rare changes that do require your attention, like kernel upgrades.
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• 488[04:42:03] <hejux> i've also created an alias to check what's been upgraded : cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep Upgrade
• 489[04:42:34] <hejux> checking Unattended Upgrades
• 490[04:42:37] <hejux> thanks for the info
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• 500[04:50:08] <jmcnaught> hejux: you can just use "grep Upgrade /var/log/apt/history.log", you don't need to use cat and |
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• 503[04:51:32] <jmcnaught> but I also wouldn't put "apt-get -y upgrade" into cron, or use -y for that matter
• 504[04:51:34] <hejux> jmcnaught: :) neat
• 505[04:53:15] <jcb2016> Getting a computer from a friend thrusday (Desktop) supposadly has linux on it already.
• 506[04:53:26] <jcb2016> im excited cause im gonna through debian on it ASAP!
• 507[04:53:59] <hejux> what hardware does it have?
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• 509[04:54:10] <jcb2016> don't know we will see thursday hejux :D
• 510[04:54:18] <jcb2016> whatch it be crap lol
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• 512[04:54:26] <jcb2016> s/whatch/watch
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• 514[04:55:20] <jcb2016> so everyone in my house has a laptop of sorts wife and 3 of the kids. im the only one left out. im using everyones laptop when i can. kinda excited cause its gonna be mine
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• 517[04:58:37] <hejux> what a huasband
• 518[04:59:04] <hejux> i'd get the lightest laptop to run Debian.
• 519[04:59:22] <hejux> 14" 1440p at least
• 520[05:01:10] <jcb2016> this desktop will be for the business. can't wait to get my own laptop. will through debian on it of course
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• 588[05:56:28] <Deihmos> why would an app use more cpu with an updated kernel?
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• 594[05:59:21] <orlock> Deihmos: Spectre/Meltdown mitigation? Wild guess, mybe.
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• 596[06:00:15] <Deihmos> i was testing debian and ubuntu but noticed one of my apps would use a lot more cpu on ubuntu. turns out it was the kernel
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• 657[07:11:01] <maxrazer> Consistently the "Run" menu option on XFCE on Debian Sid is broken/incorrect. It has been like this for years with current and former version of XFCE.
• 658[07:11:18] <maxrazer> I seem to remember it requiring gnome or something to be installed and was bound incorrectly to the wrong icon.
• 659[07:11:28] <maxrazer> However, using libremenu it can be mixed/changed.
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• 800[08:53:55] <Rembo> hello, does one of the following patches require restart? replaced-url
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• 804[08:55:22] <towo^work> Rembo, this is #debian, not #ubuntu
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• 806[08:55:40] <Rembo> towo^work isn't ubuntu debian based?
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• 808[08:55:50] <towo^work> doesn't matter
• 809[08:56:02] <towo^work> based on debian != debian
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• 814[09:00:12] <pingfloyd> Rembo: doesn't mean they're identical
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• 864[09:25:52] <Jacta> Hi all, just installed debian 9 - if I get this error: "curl: (1) Protocol " https" not supported or disabled in libcurl" - can anyone point me on how to get it to work?
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• 878[09:32:45] <mrig> Hello
• 879[09:32:51] <mrig> appletviewer!
• 880[09:33:01] <tomreyn> Jacta: remove the extra space in front of the url you entered.
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• 883[09:33:47] <Jacta> tomreyn: seems to fix it, thanks man
• 884[09:33:53] <mrig> Can anyone inform me as to availability of the java AppletViewer? I gather it is out of date, I was wondering if it is still supported.
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• 886[09:34:36] <mrig> Wondering if like an old book I can dust off the cover and peek inside?
• 887[09:34:39] <tomreyn> mrig: which debian package are you referring to?
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• 890[09:35:33] <mrig> I am not sure where to look, if it is included with java or elsewhere, apt-cache search returns empty.
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• 895[09:36:25] <mrig> I tried asking dpkg in a /query but no response.
• 896[09:37:29] <tomreyn> /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/bin/appletviewer may be what you'Re looking for, package openjdk-8-jdk
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• 899[09:40:21] <mrig> Thank you for the pointer. Right I have openjdk-8-jre is already the newest version (8u181-b13-2~deb9u1) installed already.
• 900[09:40:58] <mrig> so it is not being called, I think that I have removed a .java folder, could be the cause.
• 901[09:42:31] <mrig> Thank you for confirming the package tomreyn; I just need to pay some attention to my java instillation apparently.
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• 903[09:45:06] <tomreyn> mrig: from memory jre stands for 'java runtime edition' (targetting users and software developers), jdk stands for 'java development kit' (targetting software developers).
• 904[09:45:25] <mrig> tomreyn saying that, the folder is present but the program is not in there.
• 905[09:46:11] <mrig> right both are required, I gather fro mthe oricle site that the appletviewer was a development tool and not a `public` device.
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• 908[09:47:41] <mrig> It has been dropped from newer versions of java, right will get java working first for coding, I have not done that on this system yest and have no idea what the default setup is.
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• 990[10:49:26] <jerlique> Hi, i've just netinstalled an image of 9.8. now im trying to install openssh-server but it complains that libwrap0 is missing. I cant install this package. I've tried a few suggestions like replaced-url
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• 996[10:51:05] <Megaf> jerlique, make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list have deb replaced-url
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• 998[10:51:10] <Megaf> after that try apt update
• 999[10:51:18] <Megaf> and apt install openssh-server
• 1000[10:51:23] <petn-randall> !stretch sources.list
• 1001[10:51:23] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1002[10:51:28] <petn-randall> jerlique: ^
• 1003[10:51:32] <Megaf> if that doesnt work, try apt-get -f
• 1004[10:51:36] <Megaf> I mean
• 1005[10:51:39] <Megaf> if that doesnt work, try apt-get -f install
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• 1007[10:52:10] <Megaf> Though that error shouldnt have happened, something must have been gone wrong
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• 1011[10:54:51] <jerlique> thanks Megaf and dpkg. the first line was missing. !!
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• 1013[10:56:20] <Megaf> jerlique, you mean Megaf and petn-randall :) You're welcome.
• 1014[10:56:55] <jerlique> thanks to all, including those i missed, like petn-randall ;)
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• 1016[10:58:47] <petn-randall> You're welcome
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• 1075[11:30:31] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys, i am having a problem with installing debian, i can't boot up the installer it gives a graphical glitch that renders the UI unusable, then when i boot the liveCD ( boots nicely with a glitch in the beginning but then gets back to normal) , i can't find the installer icon , and event installing debian-installer-launcher doesn't run properly giving ( no suitable d-i initrd image found, aborting.)
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• 1079[11:33:42] <Megaf> you know which GPU you have?
• 1080[11:33:52] <Megaf> how many? Maybe you can disable one in the bios?
• 1081[11:35:18] <cobra-the-joker> Megaf: i have intel + amd , you want me to disable the AMD one for installation ?
• 1082[11:35:57] <petn-randall> cobra-the-joker: Are you using the graphical or text mode installer?
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• 1084[11:36:26] <cobra-the-joker> petn-randall: both give this glitch , i even tried to edit vga, video modes , with no luck
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• 1090[11:38:58] <cobra-the-joker> I will disable the AMD vga now and see if i can get it to work
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• 1153[12:10:53] <basz_> hello, any ip routing experts available? replaced-url
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• 1216[12:46:04] <sunkan> basz: You also need a rule to get the kernel to use a specific routing table. I have used it for "source IP" or "policy based" routing at times. Then my custom rule table only includes a separate default GW compared to the main routing table. See "ip rule help"
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• 1223[12:47:17] <sunkan> basz: Just realized your question was already answered :)
• 1224[12:47:32] <basz> @sunkan i see. This indeed seems to work 'ip rule add from all table table-name'
• 1225[12:48:05] <basz> next step. making this persistent... brrr.
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• 1231[12:48:47] <sunkan> basz: I would add as an "up" parameter to NIC config in interfaces file.
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• 1235[12:49:56] <basz> yes, up and down is what i read. I hope I can place all my rules inside a separate table file. But I'l do that tomorow
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• 1245[12:53:12] <mrig> tomreyn yes that did it, I was missing the jdk, java up and running now, thanks.
• 1246[12:53:21] <fling> How do I properly reinstall all the packages in case of /usr corruption for example?
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• 1251[12:55:36] <EdePopede> fling: if you plan to reinstall *all* packages you may reinstall the system.backup /etc, /usr/local, maybe /root, /home (own partition?) and then reinstall.
• 1252[12:56:05] <fling> reinstall the system.backup ?
• 1253[12:56:22] <fling> I don't know how to reinstall all the packages.
• 1254[12:56:31] <mrig> Is there a manual command to refresh the list of audio devices, I seem to be having some trouble after unplugging a usb sound device from a GNOME desktop debina 9 instillation.
• 1255[12:56:40] <EdePopede> dpkg -l gives you a list
• 1256[12:56:41] <dpkg> No packages found matching gives you a list
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• 1259[12:57:29] <rant> mrig: if the trouble was you expected it to no longer be selected as the output device, then that trouble was in your thinking
• 1260[12:57:47] <mrig> I think that this used to be ok, hot plugging the device, but it could be that I am mistaken in thinking this. I have recently installed and then removed some alsa, which is why I have a doubt.
• 1261[12:58:21] <fling> EdePopede: how to filter by packages owning /usr?
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• 1263[12:58:53] <EdePopede> fling: expect most of the packages using /usr
• 1264[12:59:01] <mrig> rant the device is no no longer seen in the output device list, yet remains in the input device list.
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• 1266[12:59:09] <fling> EdePopede: how to reinstall without adding packages to `apt-mark manual` ?
• 1267[12:59:34] <mrig> It is in the GNOME aslamixer pannel, but not in the system bar.
• 1268[12:59:47] <fling> I don't want them to become manually installed.
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• 1271[13:00:41] <EdePopede> but if you really want to check them out: use sed to get the package name, then apkg-quers -L to get their filenames, if they have files there write the packagename to a file. then use this file for apt-get install
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• 1274[13:01:23] <EdePopede> fling: i think i never used apt-mark
• 1275[13:01:31] <mrig> ah it appears that there is an issue with the Audio Output selector GNOME shell extension.
• 1276[13:01:42] <mrig> (my use of)
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• 1280[13:03:21] <EdePopede> fling: looks like you could apt-mark them as auto installed
• 1281[13:03:46] <mrig> These were the extensions that have caused an apparent issue, Is there one of these installed by default, else could the instillation of one of there remove the sound cared from the standard sound settings panel?
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• 1283[13:04:04] <EdePopede> you could play around with one package and find out how, don't underestimate experience :)
• 1284[13:04:06] <fling> EdePopede: how do I backup and restore `apt-mark manual` list?
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• 1290[13:05:22] <EdePopede> fling: `man apt-mark`. manpages may have a section with file lists at the end
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• 1297[13:09:37] <mrig> Yes curious it hotswaps fine for the input but the output is lost. What is the best action in this situation, contact the makers of the plugins and programs that are likely causes? Perhaps I should pin down the software that causes this, will test in another user.
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• 1300[13:10:09] <fling> No manual entry for apt-mark
• 1301[13:10:10] <fling> hmm hmmm
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• 1304[13:10:55] <jelly> fling: which debian release is that, debian 9 hass the man
• 1305[13:11:21] <EdePopede> fling: grab the deb, unpack (not install), read the man
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• 1307[13:11:31] <jelly> !aptitude clone
• 1308[13:11:31] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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• 1312[13:14:20] <ksk> ,v mono-runtime
• 1313[13:14:21] <judd> Package: mono-runtime on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; buster: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-2; sid: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-2
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• 1320[13:18:34] <jelly> fling: those aptitude command lines in what dpkg said above ^ only save and restore the "manually" installed packages
• 1321[13:19:48] <Kemopan> Hello! Anybody knows how to add routes at client side during L2TP-over-IPsec connection? I tried to make script @ /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/route and it works during connection, but after reconnection all routes are lost :(
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• 1324[13:20:35] <Kemopan> I feel frustration x_x
• 1325[13:20:37] <mrig> I best learn to file bug reports I think, logout resets, new user is the same as current user. Hot pluging once once after logging out and back in again.
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• 1331[13:22:38] <EdePopede> what is this thing in the notification area of ibus? an icon?
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• 1346[13:32:59] <areyouloco> !dpkg jessie
• 1347[13:32:59] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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• 1349[13:33:06] <mrig> EdePopede the ibus, is that input bus? Are you kindly referring to my sound card conundrum?
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• 1357[13:36:01] <EdePopede> mrig: i guess so. changes the kbd layout. seems it has to do with asia. china, japan, or so. look: ·
• 1358[13:36:29] <EdePopede> is on altgr-, again, without it that gives me some accent
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• 1365[13:39:38] <EdePopede> mrig: ah, i see. you disconnect the device and it is no longer in the volume control dialog? well, that's pavu. misbehaves like windows audio system (or yer old hifi amp, but this is because it's a mechanical solution)
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• 1367[13:42:10] <mrig> What is pavu ?
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• 1369[13:42:28] <rant> nothing
• 1370[13:42:44] <rant> pavucontrol is a pulse audio volume control GUI
• 1371[13:42:48] <EdePopede> mrig: i only have to unplug my speaker system to have it switch to S/PDIF (digital!) which i never had. and no other option. but well: replaced-url
• 1372[13:43:13] <areyouloco> !dpkg pavu
• 1373[13:43:19] <mrig> Yes I just realised now that you mention old analog systems, it did used to work as it made me smile when plugging it in because there is no noise at all, as there is when you hot plug analog audio.
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• 1375[13:44:04] <mrig> One of these programs must have left a mess, my fault for not trying them one at a time, I will learn eventually.
• 1376[13:44:19] <mrig> rant right thank you.
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• 1378[13:45:20] <EdePopede> really? i have to turn off the sound system on that "rc" (the thing with power button and volume control on the cable between soundcard and woofer) else it does a really loud noise ;)
• 1379[13:46:21] <mrig> yes of the device is already running, which is feasible as it is also a stand alone mixer, I can just plug it in, not a sound!
• 1380[13:46:36] <mrig> really made me smile actually.
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• 1383[13:47:53] <EdePopede> then your system is better than mine. anyway i have the impression that logitech was better in the past. got their Z313 btw
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• 1387[13:48:16] <mrig> I suspect it is the usb bus and GNOME not the ALSA or pulseaudio but that is rather speculative; Wondering how best to investigate the problem.
• 1388[13:48:35] <fling> jelly: buster
• 1389[13:48:40] <mrig> ah nice
• 1390[13:48:49] <fling> jelly: some files are missing in /usr
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• 1393[13:50:34] <mrig> EdePopede EMU card in the old machine the sound was mindbogglingly good for a very cheap card, now Im on a laptop, this thing is a great solution for decent sound.
• 1394[13:50:51] <EdePopede> one of the things i liked while using alsa was the separation of speakers and headphones: plug it in, the speakers will still be fed. not so on pulseaudio. this is what brings me back to analog world and windows (which seems to try to emulate this broken behaviour)
• 1395[13:51:21] <mrig> EdePopede yes it is good to get them apart.
• 1396[13:52:07] <mrig> EdePopede replaced-url
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• 1398[13:52:49] <mrig> not yet tested the mic in quality, not had the need, but the output is superb.
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• 1400[13:53:00] <EdePopede> grml. i used to have an 8-channel mixer years ago. really, i have no clue how i lost it :/
• 1401[13:53:33] <mrig> ah that is a musicians trait, to leave instruments and devices spread across the place,
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• 1403[13:54:40] <EdePopede> i think i gave it to someone for good reason, but don't ask me :shrug:
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• 1405[13:55:20] <mrig> I have a dead proprietary dongle, of protools design, but I feel as though I am admitting to having a sexually transmitted disease, whist saying that. :|
• 1406[13:56:05] <mrig> Not sure what to do with it, a little work can turn them into mastering quality devices, but I am not qualified to do it.
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• 1408[13:56:50] <jelly> fling: hopefully you're not using some crazy alpha-quality filesystem like btrfs!
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• 1411[13:57:24] <mrig> Once you remove the intentional crippling devices and replace the power harness which is the part that fails in a timely fashion.
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• 1413[13:57:39] <EdePopede> i only had a dongle one, was some expensive proprietary DOS software. someone gave me the chance to use it for some time, don't even remember what it was.
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• 1415[13:58:35] <EdePopede> what were the alternatives to extfs years ago? i mean... YEARS
• 1416[13:58:46] <fling> jelly: not sure how do I backup and restore the list
• 1417[13:58:47] <mrig> Anyways was very impressed with Debian that this worked out of the box. I forget some times that I do need to be a little bit careful when changing things about.
• 1418[13:59:04] <EdePopede> somehow i started using ext2fs and never managed to leave the system
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• 1421[14:00:11] <jelly> fling: "aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list" to save
• 1422[14:00:14] <mrig> When did emerge? What did Linux use initially?
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• 1424[14:00:31] <jelly> fling: "xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install" to restore and activate
• 1425[14:01:23] <EdePopede> mrig > replaced-url
• 1426[14:01:25] <jelly> fling: this won't unset packages that are already set to manual on the second system, just replicate one set
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• 1429[14:02:08] <mrig> Would removing and reinstalling Gnome be considered any solution to this kind of problem; Is it worth considering, perhaps I should be looking for the cause?
• 1430[14:03:27] <EdePopede> "This is a free minix-like kernel for i386(+) based AT-machines." *sigh*
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• 1432[14:05:19] <jelly> EdePopede: ext3 was introduced in 2000
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• 1434[14:05:58] <fling> jelly: I only have a single system. Trying to recover from /usr breakage.
• 1435[14:06:14] <EdePopede> jelly: my first distro ran on 1.(0.)?37, my first debian on 2.0.36 ;)
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• 1440[14:07:17] <mrig> EdePopede Thanks for the link the release notes are fascinating.
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• 1442[14:08:10] <josecapurro> Hello there! I looked in #debian-science as per the Jupyter Debian wiki page, but is empty.
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• 1444[14:08:30] <josecapurro> Is there a way to install other kernels than Python 2/3 to Jupyter?
• 1445[14:08:36] <rant> josecapurro: all official channels are on irc.oftc.net
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• 1447[14:08:47] <josecapurro> Or, where can i look
• 1448[14:08:57] <josecapurro> rant: Thanks
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• 1467[14:14:37] <EdePopede> mrig: thanks for making me open this box. no desktops environments, but boot and root disks. and 4MB were enough to run a linux system :)
• 1468[14:14:57] <fling> jelly: should I install on another system and rsync /usr over?
• 1469[14:15:29] <mrig> EdePopede would they still run on a more modern system?
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• 1472[14:16:53] <EdePopede> mrig: my thought atm. but i think they should, downward compatibility on the chips. if you have the ressources, why not building this old kernel and see?
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• 1474[14:17:57] <mrig> I have a redundant machine with a broken monitor, if I can fix the monitor I could give it a try.
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• 1476[14:18:28] <mrig> Swapped out the power supply capacitors but it still does not work :|
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• 1478[14:19:02] <mrig> Will think about doing that though, a great learning experience.
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• 1480[14:19:10] <EdePopede> maybe ##hardware may help
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• 1489[14:23:41] <EdePopede> have a broken LCD myself. was fixed twice in its life. and i don't feel like letting it go :)
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• 1495[14:25:23] <Janni> Hello there. Does anyone know what the command is for starting the KDE/Plasma system tray? Note, that I'm not running KDE, just a KDE application that (annoyingly) displays notifications as pop-ups (presumably because there isn't a system tray that it can use).
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• 1504[14:30:16] <Janni> In case anyone answered my question: I missed it.
• 1505[14:31:00] <fling> Which package is for /org/gtk/libgtk/icons/32x32/status/image-missing.png ?
• 1506[14:31:58] <fling> Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load /org/gtk/libgtk/icons/32x32/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3) Redirecting call to abort() to mozalloc_abort Segmentation fault
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• 1521[14:40:50] <mrig> EdePopede yes great idea, thanks, I will pop in and see; Had not thought of that.
• 1522[14:41:01] <mrig> Be good to recycle directly.
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• 1532[14:45:38] <zodd_> Is there a Python module packaged in Debian which allows for parsing ipconfig/iwconfig information including the mode of the networdcard?
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• 1537[14:49:02] <no_gravity> Hello! When I ssh from one machine into another and start screen, sometimes, after a while, the connection suddenly hangs. How would you guys go about analyzing this?
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• 1539[14:50:53] <milkt> no_gravity: try with ssh -v or ssh -vvv and check output
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• 1542[14:52:33] <no_gravity> milkt: Ok, so I ssh into the other machine with "ssh -vvv othermachine", start screen with "screen" and work like normally? And then at some point ssh will start throwing things at me?
• 1543[14:52:49] <CrtxReavr> Is there a specified way to remove all but the base packages from a Debian install?
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• 1545[14:54:12] <greycat> CrtxReavr: no.
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• 1547[14:54:40] <CrtxReavr> Disappointing.
• 1548[14:54:58] <milkt> no_gravity: ssh will start throwing something to stderr i guess, if the problem is related to ssh session
• 1549[14:55:24] <no_gravity> milkt: Ok, we will see. The hanging only occurs every now and then, so it is hard to reproduce.
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• 1573[15:06:57] <nomad_fr> bonjour, j'ai un souci de /var/cache/fontconfig qui n'arrete pas de ce remplir
• 1574[15:07:04] <greycat> !fr
• 1575[15:07:04] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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• 1577[15:07:17] <fling> How to fix '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30: undefined symbol: __gmpz_limbs_write' ?
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• 1579[15:08:10] <greycat> sounds like you have a third-party compiled program that was compiled for something other than stretch, and you tried to force a square peg into a star-shaped hole
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• 1581[15:08:48] <fling> greycat: it is torbrowser-launcher on buster
• 1582[15:08:53] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1583[15:08:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1584[15:09:18] <fling> I thought buster is going stable this month
• 1585[15:09:27] <greycat> Not likely.
• 1586[15:09:43] <greycat> The full freeze *begins* in a week.
• 1587[15:09:55] <petn-randall> fling: It's not even frozen yet, I'd say 3+ months. More likely around 6.
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• 1589[15:10:04] <fling> I already switched my containers from stretch/sid/etc to buster
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• 1591[15:10:19] <fling> What is full freeze?
• 1592[15:10:26] <jelly> fling: thank you so much for testing things out and help fixing bugs!
• 1593[15:10:42] <karlpinc> fling: Buster will go stable when the green line gets close to 0. replaced-url
• 1594[15:10:54] <jelly> !freeze
• 1595[15:10:55] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
• 1596[15:10:56] <fling> jelly: what to actually do to help with testing?
• 1597[15:11:03] <fling> jelly: most things just work!
• 1598[15:11:17] <karlpinc> fling: File a bug report when it does not. :)
• 1599[15:11:21] <greycat> File bug reports on things that don't. Like, for example, torbrowser-whatsit.
• 1600[15:11:26] <jelly> fling: report bugs in the right places
• 1601[15:11:33] <jelly> !reportbug
• 1602[15:11:33] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
• 1603[15:11:34] <fling> btw I had a freeze with mesa 13 on stretch but buster works just fine for me as it has a modern mesa.
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• 1626[15:22:29] <protectionfault> Q: Many libraries that are discussed in various documentation, can only be found in the debian repos with a number appended to their name. Such as libnml becoming libnml0. Where can I read about how these different version come about?
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• 1628[15:23:28] <greycat> Shared libraries have a version number, because interfaces change and become incompatible. This allows a package to depend on the correct *version* of a library. It also allows old versions of the libraries to coexist with newer versions.
• 1629[15:23:55] <greycat> E.g. jessie's libssl1.0.0 can coexist with stretch's libssl1.0.2
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• 1632[15:24:24] <petn-randall> (as they have different ABIs and APIs)
• 1633[15:24:27] <protectionfault> ty greycat. But don't the libraries have version numbers already, and could be identified without such trickery?
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• 1635[15:25:01] <petn-randall> protectionfault: A hypothetical "libssl" package in version 1.0.0 would be overwritten if you install version 1.0.2.
• 1636[15:25:15] <petn-randall> So you wouldn't be able to have them in parallel.
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• 1648[15:28:05] <protectionfault> ty petn-randall. That makes sense as a solution to the problem that we can't install multiple version of the same library. Also, I guess it allows us to scope which code depends on any unpreferred version much easier. But it does feel like a hack, more so than a proper acknowledgement of the reality.
• 1649[15:28:35] <protectionfault> (the reality being we will always need multiple versions of libraries)
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• 1651[15:28:51] <greycat> what would you do instead?
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• 1654[15:29:36] <Haxxa> Any reason why "mount -t configfs none /config" works when mounting configfs yet using fstab, systemd or cron (root) with same command does not work. It shows as mounted and rerunning that command states configfs is mounted. But until I manually run that command iscsi targets won't work
• 1655[15:29:40] <protectionfault> install versions of libs simultaneously
• 1656[15:29:55] <protectionfault> without forking them
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• 1660[15:30:37] <protectionfault> I'm probably glossing over some limitation, what I would like is to understand my system better, not propose any changes to how we things just yet. :)
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• 1667[15:32:55] <EdePopede> like libimm_server.so -> libimm_server.so.0 -> libimm_server.so.0.0
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• 1672[15:33:28] <EdePopede> what would happe if 0.1 or 1.0 would be released?
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• 1674[15:34:15] <EdePopede> i remember there is some lib related to media with version 0.1 and then 1.0 was released. something with mpeg or so
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• 1678[15:36:32] <protectionfault> If the code that depends on it specifies its version preference, instead of a new name for the package that appends a number. Indeed, the numbering is usually with one digit, while version numbering can become much more intricate, introducing problems later on.
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• 1680[15:36:52] <greycat> "code" doesn't know anything about packages
• 1681[15:37:07] <protectionfault> Code I write imports libraries.
• 1682[15:37:19] <greycat> "imports". Not C, then.
• 1683[15:37:39] <greycat> Other languages do things very differently.
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• 1685[15:39:22] <protectionfault> "links"
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• 1687[15:39:26] <greycat> A C program is linked against libssl1.0.2 or whatever, and you can see this by running ldd against it. The loader (ld.so) only knows that it must find libssl.so.1.0.2 in one of the allowed directories.
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• 1691[15:39:58] <greycat> The linker and the loader don't know anything about packages. They only know about files and directories.
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• 1693[15:40:24] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ldd /usr/bin/openssl | grep libssl
• 1694[15:40:24] <greycat> libssl.so.1.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.1 (0x00007fbdfabd7000)
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• 1696[15:40:59] <greycat> The compiled program /usr/bin/openssl requires a shared library named libssl.so.1.1 and the loader finds one at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.1 and so the program can be executed.
• 1697[15:41:00] <protectionfault> I understand C is just a part of it, but your explanation is helping me. So if my code doesn't specify to link to that version, how come my linker does look for .1.1 in your example?
• 1698[15:41:44] <greycat> At link time, the linker command is given an option like -lssl which means "search for a libssl.so in the approved paths".
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• 1701[15:43:04] <greycat> It finds (say) /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so which is a symlink to a versioned library.
• 1702[15:43:36] <protectionfault> It finds that symlinks, because my package manager creates it?
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• 1704[15:43:54] <greycat> In Debian, libssl.so is provided by a libssl*-dev package.
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• 1707[15:44:12] <greycat> If libssl1.0-dev is installed then it will be a symlink to something like libssl.so.1.0.2
• 1708[15:44:40] <greycat> If stretch's libssl-dev is installed then it will be a symlink to something like libssl.so.1.1
• 1709[15:44:51] <protectionfault> Very nice. I guess that traces my question all the way back. Thanks!
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• 1843[16:56:45] <englosh> hello how do I save my packages when I broke `apt`? I want to save and apply it when I installed a new debian
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• 1846[16:57:16] <englosh> where are the packages saved? I could replace the new package folder by the old one
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• 1849[16:57:36] <greycat> !debian clone
• 1850[16:57:37] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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• 1854[17:00:52] <englosh> aah
• 1855[17:00:55] <englosh> thanks dpkg
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• 1863[17:03:40] <diogenes_> dpkg, < is a bot
• 1864[17:03:42] <dpkg> diogenes_: okay
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• 1867[17:04:12] <greycat> dpkg, forget <
• 1868[17:04:13] <dpkg> i forgot <, greycat
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• 1911[17:28:58] <plasmid> when i do a : apt-get update ..debian looks at my dvd first.. then tries to go online @ prod.debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.52.204) and stays there for minutes.. I pinged replaced-url
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• 1916[17:32:28] <LtL> plasmid: Fastly error: unknown domain: debian.map.fastly.net. Please check that this domain has been added to a service. same with prod.debian.map.fastly.net. try another mirror.
• 1917[17:32:28] <greycat> Try a different mirror.
• 1918[17:32:42] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
• 1919[17:32:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1920[17:33:04] <plasmid> greycat: so i have to modify the sources.list with nano.. i reckon?
• 1921[17:33:34] <LtL> plasmid: yes, comment fastly and apt update
• 1922[17:33:38] <plasmid> greycat: i thought this was done automatically at debian install. Ok.. will modify.
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• 1928[17:35:12] <greycat> If you install with a working network, then it'll prompt you for which mirror to use, and write a sources.list for you with that mirror in it. You can switch it later if it turns out this mirror is crap. Many of them are.
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• 1961[17:52:30] <plasmid> greycat: I edited the sources.list as above .. but i do not know why debian tries to connect to prod.debian.map.fastly.net. I did an apt update and I dont see fastly.net anywhere on the sources.list
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• 1965[17:53:29] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
• 1966[17:53:29] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
• 1967[17:53:54] <greycat> If that one keeps redirecting you to a broken mirror, try one of the older country-code mirror networks instead.
• 1968[17:54:04] <greycat> Also check whether you might have configured a proxy in your apt config.
• 1969[17:54:47] <plasmid> greycat: checking...
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• 1971[17:55:57] <jhutchins_wk> plasmid: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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• 1974[17:56:29] <plasmid> jhutchins_wk: nothing in that dir.
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• 1977[17:57:46] <plasmid> I dont understand this. I modified sources.list for debian to update. Where else could debian be fetching data from fastly.net? (fails).
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• 1979[17:58:05] <greycat> grep -r fastly /etc
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• 1981[17:58:40] <plasmid> greycat: nothing comes up.
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• 1983[18:00:28] <greycat> *shrug* then it's probably part of one of those damned content delivery networks
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• 1985[18:03:02] <plasmid> greycat: i know in the beginning i selected the default network: debian not fastly. I do not know why it tries to connect there.
• 1986[18:03:11] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
• 1987[18:03:11] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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• 1990[18:05:10] <plasmid> greycat: ok.. it changed to deb.debian.org but it is stuck there (128.31.0.63). Odd.. if I ctrl-c out of it..and ping say.. replaced-url
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• 1992[18:05:44] <plasmid> odd.
• 1993[18:06:14] <greycat> 128.31.0.63 pings for me. Obviously there's more to the story than just that, of course.
• 1994[18:06:31] <greycat> Try a different mirror.
• 1995[18:07:04] <greycat> I've always had the best luck with the traditional US country-code mirror network (replaced-url
• 1996[18:07:27] <plasmid> greycat: i did ping the IP's of deb.debian.org (130.89.148.14 and 149.20.4.14) so why can 'apt update' get going...
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• 1998[18:07:55] <greycat> deb.debian.org does not have a single IP address. Apparently you didn't read ANYTHING.
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• 2000[18:08:41] <greycat> Did you even go to replaced-url
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• 2002[18:08:48] <greycat> As of October 2016 the SRV record is
• 2003[18:08:48] <greycat> _http._tcp.deb.debian.org. IN SRV 10 1 80 prod.debian.map.fastly.net.
• 2004[18:08:48] <greycat> _http._tcp.deb.debian.org. IN SRV 10 1 80 dpvctowv9b08b.cloudfront.net.
• 2005[18:08:55] <plasmid> greycat: you misunderstand. Any IP that 'apt update' tries to reach I can ping ok. So the question is more along the lines of why 'apt update' gets stuck in trying to reach these mirrors.
• 2006[18:09:17] <greycat> You wondered where fastly.net is coming from. Voila.
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• 2008[18:09:52] <plasmid> greycat: no i read that as your original post. Fastly is not seen now.. just deb.debian.org.
• 2009[18:10:09] <greycat> GO TO replaced-url
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• 2027[18:16:06] <jhutchins_wk> !mirror status
• 2028[18:16:06] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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• 2035[18:24:45] <plasmid> jhutchins_wk: While I can ping any mirror site.. apt update gets stuck, thus I cannot do a apt-get update. Appears to be a bug..looking for solutions online.
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• 2049[18:34:00] <plasmid> greycat: found the error to be network related. Changed bridged to NAT and apt update works ok.
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• 2187[20:04:06] <travisgriggs> under debian testing/buster… am i supposed to configure eth0 as a dhcp device in /etc/network/interfaces using the ifup mechanisms? OR /etc/systemd/network using the systemd mechanisms?
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• 2190[20:04:54] <greycat> Buster still lets you have eth0? Hmm. I thought I heard someone say that legacy interface names wouldn't be possible any more....
• 2191[20:05:27] <FinalX> net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
• 2192[20:05:29] <FinalX> there you go :)
• 2193[20:05:30] <petn-randall> It'll stay eth0 if you upgraded from before.
• 2194[20:05:39] <FinalX> you can also name devices quite easily
• 2195[20:06:15] <jelly> travisgriggs: both should work
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• 2200[20:08:39] <travisgriggs> which is the trending direction though? i’m currently trying to debug an issue with eth0 coming up as dhcp, i find myself asking so what mechanism do i try?
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• 2203[20:09:19] <greycat> Personally I will fight against moving more essential services into systemd with every ounce of strength.
• 2204[20:09:24] <sharp15> has anyone here setup apt-cacher-ng to serve on a local network?
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• 2206[20:10:02] <greycat> systemd controlling my clock? no. systemd controlling my DNS resolution? no. systemd controlling my network interfaces? no.
• 2207[20:10:07] <travisgriggs> greycat: I’ll play the very naive here… eth0 isn’t a thing anymore? what is the correct name then? I have a small SBC (think Raspberry PI) and it has ethaddr and eth1addr set in it’s uboot sequence. Is there some other name that maically appears?
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• 2220[20:14:39] <sharp15> travisgriggs: the names are automatically assigned and people have been messing with the naming schemes.
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• 2222[20:15:09] <sharp15> ls
• 2223[20:15:11] <sharp15> sorry.
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• 2225[20:15:23] <greycat> Here in stable #debian land we only get trickle-down rumors of what's changing in buster, so I apologize if the rumor I repeated was a false one.
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• 2227[20:15:59] <greycat> Maybe it's the same as stretch, with the new names by default on new installs, and the legacy names if you upgrade from a system using the legacy names. *shrug*
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• 2230[20:16:29] <tpr> there's a good reason not to use the legacy naming scheme
• 2231[20:16:47] <somiaj> If you have the old udev rule (the legacy method for persistant interface names), that rule will still be used after an upgrade (hence upgrades will use the old name)
• 2232[20:16:54] <tpr> namely that they are not guaranteed to stay as they were. I have seen that mess my setup (eth0 got swapped with eth1)
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• 2234[20:17:09] <sharp15> where can i get a mirror list for apt-cacher? i've only ever seen this in the installer.
• 2235[20:17:10] <travisgriggs> i’m going to guess there’s not a “so it’s 2019, and you want to forget what you knew, and get current with how networking works in Debian, where it’s going, including touching on points that are highly volatile and contentious due to the ongoing civil war caused by systemd”
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• 2237[20:17:20] <somiaj> something like /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-interfaces.conf or something along the lines.
• 2238[20:17:32] <jhutchins_wk> Net interface naming is an upstream feature, and currently supports three schemes.
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• 2240[20:18:10] <somiaj> travisgriggs: there are lots of advantages to perdictable interface names
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• 2243[20:18:50] <pagetelegram> I can't get image magick to convert bunch of tifs to a single multipage tif? convert G3:*.tif G3:output.tif just generates multiple files per page.
• 2244[20:19:23] <somiaj> but in either case you can configure what names you want to use. If you don't like the defaults, change it.
• 2245[20:20:10] <pagetelegram> When I tried faxing multiple pages to the fax machine using efax ... file1 file2 file3 etc it combined all pages to one page and just faxed pretty much black :P
• 2246[20:20:51] <pagetelegram> So I need to be able to use image magick to generate a multipage tiff file.
• 2247[20:20:52] <travisgriggs> i’m fine with predictable names. i just would really like a concise document that describes how i’m supposed to setup the-device-that-shows-up-in-uboot-as-eth0 to do dhcp and come up reliably on boot (without needing to cycle the cable connection) in a latest buster install
• 2248[20:20:56] <somiaj> pagetelegram: have you tried the -combine flag as mentioned in convert's manpage?
• 2249[20:21:10] <somiaj> thhere is also -coalesce
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• 2252[20:21:37] <jhutchins_wk> !interfaces
• 2253[20:21:37] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
• 2254[20:21:38] <pagetelegram> I have not...been seeking out examples for this case and got astray. Thanks
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• 2262[20:22:25] <somiaj> travisgriggs: What is the use case, during the buster install it should setup the correct interface name in the interfaces file to make it come up at boot (provided you have the network during the install).
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• 2264[20:23:08] <travisgriggs> somiaj: this is an embedded board. we install it from an sdcard.
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• 2267[20:25:23] <somiaj> travisgriggs: the name should be based on the pci slot it is in, you could try to actually perdict it. Or if it is a board that has exactly one interface, just disable the interface names with a boot flag and revert back to just calling it eth0. If you know the mac address in advanced, you could write a udev rule.
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• 2270[20:26:07] <Sleaker> you can also just pass the kernel flags
• 2271[20:26:16] <somiaj> that is what I meant by boot flag
• 2272[20:26:20] <Sleaker> yah
• 2273[20:26:22] <somiaj> but thanks for the clarification
• 2274[20:26:28] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Does it change the existing name if you change the boot flag, or do you have to clear it from some udev rule?
• 2275[20:26:38] <Sleaker> it changes the existing name
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• 2277[20:27:13] <travisgriggs> “macb f0028000.ethernet eth0”, is that likely to be my fullname? the middle part? That’s what I see on the console when I cycle the eth cable
• 2278[20:27:14] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: In the past yes, now I don't think so, because I think the script that writes the udev rule no longer creates it
• 2279[20:27:15] <Sleaker> well it creates a new device..
• 2280[20:27:36] <somiaj> travisgriggs: look at the output of ip a to see the interface name.
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• 2283[20:28:12] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: I haven't tested, but unless something creates that udev rule (which I think with systemd it won't), it will always name first come first serve.
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• 2286[20:28:47] <travisgriggs> “2: eth0”…
• 2287[20:28:57] <somiaj> travisgriggs: sothe device name is just eth0
• 2288[20:29:23] <somiaj> looks like either a udev rule is in place or you disabled the predectiable interface names via a config option in systemd or kernel boot flag.
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• 2294[20:31:13] <greycat> *if* nothing has changed in buster, then the basic way you ensure that eth0 comes up via DHCP is to put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces and reboot.
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• 2296[20:31:43] <Sleaker> ifdown/ifup still wrapped in buster?
• 2297[20:31:55] <greycat> This is assuming nobody has done any systemd-networkd stuff on your machine. Having the interface defined in /e/n/i will also prevent N-M from touching it.
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• 2299[20:32:03] <Sleaker> can just use those too
• 2300[20:32:11] <greycat> Sleaker: we don't know. Ask #debian-next to be sure.
• 2301[20:32:12] <Sleaker> instead of reboot.
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• 2304[20:32:45] <somiaj> Sleaker: yes
• 2305[20:32:48] <greycat> If you intend to mess with /e/n/i without rebooting, make sure you do it CAREFULLY. This means you run "ifdown eth0" BEFORE you edit the file. Then you edit the file. Then you run "ifup eth0".
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• 2307[20:33:46] <greycat> ifupdown does not save the state of /e/n/i at the time the interface was brought up. When you do "ifdown", it just assumes that the current content of /e/n/i correctly describes the current state of the interface, whether there is a daemon that needs killin' and so on. Which is wrong if you edited the file in between.
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• 2310[20:34:17] <travisgriggs> is #debian-next the place i should be asking questions about current debian testing/buster?
• 2311[20:34:24] <greycat> Yes.
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• 2313[20:34:40] <travisgriggs> arg, sorry about all of this then :/
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• 2327[20:41:42] <travisgriggs> except it’s invite only greycat :(
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• 2462[21:59:06] <devslash> Im trying to install a package certbot through apt-get but I cant because it says that there are unmet dependencies. How do I fix it
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• 2465[22:00:16] <shtrb> ,v certbot
• 2466[22:00:17] <judd> Package: certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1; stretch: 0.28.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 0.28.0-1~deb9u1; sid: 0.28.0-1; buster: 0.31.0-1
• 2467[22:00:23] <SerajewelKS> devslash: it should install those by itself. if it doesn't, you have some other issue. pastebin "apt-cache policy certbot" and "apt-get install certbot"
• 2468[22:01:16] <devslash> that doesnt work
• 2469[22:01:22] <devslash> still wont install
• 2470[22:01:29] <shtrb> we need the output
• 2471[22:01:35] <devslash> unmet dependencies
• 2472[22:02:01] <greycat> !bat
• 2473[22:02:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2474[22:02:38] <SerajewelKS> devslash: i asked you to pastebin the output
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• 2477[22:03:50] <shtrb> !paste
• 2478[22:03:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2533[22:44:37] <shibboleth> has it been confirmed, buster will have secure boot support/signed grub?
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• 2597[23:41:55] <berndj> every now and then i find some program displaying a unicode hex in box symbol. is there a way to map such an arbitrary character code into a package name i can install to make it show up as an appropriate grapheme rather than the generic hex box?
• 2598[23:42:08] *** Dagger2 is now known as Dagger
• 2599[23:46:05] <agio> do you want to specifically find a package which provides the glyph - or do you just want the glyph - by whatever way works?
• 2600[23:47:05] <berndj> i strongly prefer finding a package
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• 2603[23:48:33] <jhutchins> berndj: The problem is that it could be any number of characters that are not in your current character set. Do you know what character set you're using?
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• 2605[23:49:20] <berndj> maybe i don't understand unicode, but i thought the point was to have only one character per code point, and no more of this character set nonsense?
• 2606[23:50:09] <berndj> i mean i have a specific code point, that i think is extremely unlikely to be derived from anything other than utf-8
• 2607[23:50:17] <qman__> well, it does, but your current character set doesn't have a character for every unicode character
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• 2610[23:50:31] <qman__> so you need to get one that does
• 2611[23:50:37] <qman__> or at least for the one you want
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• 2613[23:50:53] <berndj> you seem to be using "character set" the way i would use "font"?
• 2614[23:51:12] <qman__> sure, either or in this context
• 2615[23:51:27] <qman__> a font is a set of graphical characters tied to the numbers that represent them
• 2616[23:51:43] <berndj> well the way i understand "character set" is that it specifies whether you're using, say, iso-8859-1 or ebcdic or whatever
• 2617[23:52:05] <agio> character set means all the glyphs your font sub-system can match to code points (from all installed fonts)
• 2618[23:54:14] <berndj> anyway i have a number in this particular instance, but i'm more interested in knowing what the algorithm is for getting the name of a font package from that number
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• 2620[23:54:33] <agio> but yes, the definition you gave is more formally correct
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• 2622[23:55:14] <jhutchins> berndj: You already have all the characters for utf-8 if you have it installed, so it's probably a different character set. Windows uses utf-16 for instance.
• 2623[23:55:19] <berndj> i.e. i don't just want a fish (it's probably just some stupid emoji in this instance); i want to know how to catch a fish
• 2624[23:55:35] <jhutchins> berndj: I've also found that many GUI programs don't interpret all of the characters correctly.
• 2625[23:55:57] <berndj> jhutchins, i certainly don't have 2^32 characters or 2^64 or whatever utf-8 can encode
• 2626[23:56:05] <agio> no-one has all the glyphs for UTF-8
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• 2629[23:56:18] <agio> thats millions of code-points
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• 2634[23:56:44] <qman__> they haven't even all been assigned in the standard
• 2635[23:56:52] <qman__> they're still handing them out
• 2636[23:57:10] <jhutchins> I'm sure there's a web page that could tell you what the character is and how it's encoded.
• 2637[23:57:13] <berndj> we're going to run out soon and will have to use NAT :)
• 2638[23:58:07] <berndj> jhutchins, i'm not interested in knowing that U+xyztuv is FUNNY EMOJI WITH GREEN HAT AND UPPERCASE EARS
• 2639[23:58:37] <jhutchins> berndj: You might be able to find out what set of encoding it's from.
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• 2641[23:59:36] <berndj> oh, you mean like manually deducing that it might be a package like ttf-funny-emojis-fonts-3.14?
• 2642[23:59:53] <berndj> i was hoping for something more (in principle) machine executable
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