74[00:40:12] <redbeard72> yeah in Thunar by double clicking on
it
75[00:40:41] <somiaj> I would first start with thunar, does it
provide you the ability to set which program is ran (right click,
check its options)?
76[00:42:39] <somiaj> google seems to suggest you can do this
by loking under file -> properties -> open with
77[00:43:34] <somiaj> redbeard72: are you running xfce?
78[00:45:14] <redbeard72> yes xfce
79[00:45:49] <redbeard72> I installed gedit later on. And when
I do under file -> properties -> open with, it doesn't
list gedit as an option, even though it's installed.
80[00:46:15] <redbeard72> I'm able to launch in using the
terminal: gedit <file_name>
84[00:50:36] <jhutchins> redbeard72: In either case, it will
remember and associate this mime type with this program.
85[00:50:59] <somiaj> redbeard72: it appears that a better
method is to go into xfce settings -> mime type editor, and set
text/plain to be what you want.
86[00:51:24] <somiaj> this way any text/plain file should get
opened as you prefer, and this will probably work in other apps
besides thunar
87[00:56:08] <mentor> redbeard72: Maybe the mime handler
desktop information thingy needs to ge trerun?
89[00:59:44] <jhutchins> I don't know why that would be
"better". What works works, and if it's part of a
process you're already in, so much the better.
137[01:56:20] <alexrelis[m]> Funny story: I once had a heated
conversation with a "security expert" online who kept
insisting that Windows was wayyyyy more secure than GNU/Linux, while
I was saying that it depended on how each OS was configured. It got
to the point where it wasn't worth arguing and I just said,
"If GNU/Linux is so insecure, then hack my computer." He
got livid and said some nasty things to me that I will not mention
here.
161[02:33:08] <oxek> alexrelis[m]: taking a typical user into
account, windows 10 is much more secure than a random
language-specific distro that has last been updated 2+ years ago
that they'd find on google
162[02:33:52] <oxek> when people decide to install a linux
distro for themselves, as opposed to when an "expert" does
it for them or walks them through it, then the results are horrible
163[02:34:52] <alexrelis[m]> oxek: That's why I said that
it depended on how the OS is configured. If you're using Linux
kernel 2.6 and your password is passw0rd, then it will be light
years less secure than Windows 10 with a strong password.
164[02:35:47] <oxek> win10's forced automatic updates help,
just as forced updates of browsers on windows
167[02:40:07] <alexrelis[m]> That said, I'd say that a
default install of a mainstream distro (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
RHEL) is slightly more secure than Windows 10 because of things like
centralized package management as a primary means of installing
software. The Microsoft Store kind of mitigates this, but most
people still download .exe and .msi files straight from the
internet.
168[02:41:24] <alexrelis[m]> Also, you are expected by default
to enter your password after every administrative action on
mainstream distros. On Windows you can just press "Yes"
and users are less mindful about admin privileges as a result.
191[03:08:16] <oxek> e.g. people are still successfully managing
to install mandriva linux in france
192[03:08:19] <alexrelis[m]> As far as I know, Ubuntu is still
the most installed distro.
193[03:08:22] <oxek> despite it being 6 years out of date
194[03:08:24] <alexrelis[m]> Lol
195[03:10:34] <b0n3h346> Does anyone know if there exists,
somewhere on the web, dvd isos for old releases of debain?
Specifically the ones that you originally could only download with
jigdo. I already have the one you can get from the archive.
208[03:14:33] <leonardus> does the full amd64 iso contain more
wifi drivers than the netinst?
209[03:14:41] <leonardus> i'm trying to get wifi working on
the installation
210[03:14:59] <sney> leonardus: what you need is non-free
firmware, there are special images for it
211[03:15:01] <sney> !firmware image
212[03:15:01] <dpkg> There are <live> system and
<netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian
<firmware> packages available from
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213[03:15:15] <leonardus> thank you
214[03:15:45] <themill> b0n3h346: most of those images were
*never* distributed by Debian.
215[03:16:48] <b0n3h346> Right. So as far as you are aware, I
either need to get jigdo working on the archive repo, or just
download the whole repo; for the arch I want.
216[03:17:34] <b0n3h346> Except for ver 6 and earlier
225[03:19:26] <sney> for a more amateur approach, maybe look
into the history of the madwifi project
226[03:20:19] <sney> leonardus: if you are struggling with a
specific wifi device, what is it? people in this channel can
probably help you with an easier solution than writing a new driver
from scratch.
228[03:20:31] <leonardus> I'm not, was just curious
229[03:20:57] <leonardus> cause if it didn't take that much
work I wouldn't mind learning and writing a free version for a
wifi device that only had nonfree firmware
230[03:21:27] <sney> you definitely should read about madwifi
then, and the drivers that succeeded it
231[03:21:39] <leonardus> thanks, I will
232[03:21:40] <themill> kernel module and firmware are two
different things. Lots of hardware is just a bag of expensive sand
until the firmware is loaded
233[03:21:52] <leonardus> themill: what is the difference?
234[03:22:19] <themill> the firmware runs on the hardware itself
and without, the hardware often can't do anything at all
250[03:32:57] <leonardus> Nevermind tethering from my phone
worked.
251[03:34:29] <sney> google tells me your wifi dongle is a
realtek, and maybe only supported by a github driver that still
hasn't been merged to mainline.
252[03:34:57] <sney> but realtek's model numbers are wildly
inconsistent so you should also try a newer kernel than buster, in
case they rolled support into a different driver.
268[03:52:50] <leonardus> This is my partition layout but when I
press continue it's complaining that I don't have a /boot
partition, isn't that what EFI System Partition is for?
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281[04:02:37] <leonardus> yeah that's what I ended up doing
282[04:02:38] <tomreyn> another option would be to place it
within the crypto container, but you'd need an lvm layer then,
and i'm not sure the installer support this setup.
283[04:03:55] <cybercrypto> leonardus: try also this part, it is
quite clarifying I think.
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291[04:15:18] <leonardus> Does anyone know what wifi driver
I'll need for this onboard wifi, also? lspci says "Intel
Corporation Device 2723" but installing firmware-iwlwifi still
didn't seem to get it to work:
317[04:39:30] <somiaj> leonardus: apt uses other means to insure
package integurity, so there was historically never a big push to
use https for that.
318[04:42:32] <somiaj> My undersatnding is the biggest draw back
is someone can see which packages you are installing, but due to
secure apt,
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321[04:44:42] <somiaj> hmm, seems the domain that use to have a
blog post on this subject has been repuroposed. (also a lot of these
decisions were made before https certs became far more common and
easy to obtain)
322[04:44:45] <oxek> historically non-https apt repos helped
exploit bugs in apt that would have been prevented had https been
used
330[04:54:33] <somiaj> hmm, according to this forum I found, I
was incorrect above, someone could figure out what package/version
was being installed using filesize instead of name if using https.
371[05:45:12] <ryouma> i found that apt-transport-https does not
work in practice. the onion one works, but requires http. but idk if
failover works as one would want it to. i have forgotten the
details. i wanted a kind of, use this, but if having issues, use
that.
372[05:45:19] *** Quits: brkiddo (~brkiddo@replaced-ip) (Disconnected by services)
373[05:45:49] <ryouma> (in jessie or stretch at least)
374[05:46:17] <somiaj> lembron: I hear the biggest issues are
now in the installer, and possibly June, maybe sooner.
382[05:48:16] <somiaj> the standard argument I kept seeing was
that https won't add any meaninfully security that apt
doesn't already have without a major overhaul on hundereds of
mirrors
383[05:48:20] <lembron> that aint sounding bad... guess ill
leave that stretch box i found running for a little and jump to
bulls directly =) - thx somiaj
384[05:48:29] <somiaj> lembron: never do that
385[05:48:40] <somiaj> lembron: you always have to upgrade one
version at a time, so you would have to upgrade though buster.
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395[05:58:32] <somiaj> ryouma: since you mentioned
jessie/stretch, https was added in apt 1.5, which needs buster or
newer, so yea those older versions needed apt-transport-https.
397[06:02:29] <ryouma> all of this is automatic now? so you
don't have to take a chance on whether your servers will
support it?
398[06:02:57] <ryouma> i think there was a paper on a vuln in
the packages file or so, which is improved by https
399[06:04:11] <somiaj> I'm just pointing out you dn't
need an additoinal package to add https support, I still don't
think it is being used by default.
473[08:52:09] <alkisg> Hi, in upstream
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474[08:52:10] <alkisg> When I git clone and I run `dpkg-source
-b .`, it says: error: can't build with source format '3.0
(quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ...
475[08:52:10] <alkisg> Is there a way to use dpkg-source while
inside the git tree, without manually creating an upstream.tar.gz?
476[08:52:36] <somiaj> alkisg: don't build a source
package, and only build a binary package
477[08:53:00] <somiaj> alkisg: note, are you also the debian
matainer for this package (or is there a debian matainer)?
478[08:53:23] <alkisg> somiaj: I want to build a .tar.gz and a
.dsc to upload them to opensuse build service for some non-debian
distributions like ubuntu/raspbian
479[08:53:27] <alkisg> Yes, I'm DM for that package
480[08:54:55] <somiaj> You do need to have the .tar.gz avilable
to build the source package. I think there is a way to build the
.tar.gz as part of the build, but I don't know them off the top
of my head.
481[08:56:06] <alkisg> Opensource build service expects a
.tar.gz, which I can easily generate, and a .dsc... I'm having
a trouble generated that one. If I switch the format to native, then
dpkg-source doesn't complain, but it's not really a debian
native package...
485[09:00:21] <somiaj> I also notice there is a 3.0 (git)
format, though I don't know what would be best. If someone who
actually knows this better than I do doens't speak up here, you
could try #packaging on irc.oftc.net
487[09:01:07] <alkisg> Thank you very much, googling for 3.0
(git), it does sound more suitable than native/quilt
488[09:03:24] <somiaj> alkisg: and the only reason I asked if
you were the DM for the package, is sometimes upstream debian/ can
conflict with what is needed for debian and can complicate things.
But since you are the matainer will make things easier.
490[09:04:23] <alkisg> Right, that's what I was thinking
when I decided to include debian/ upstream, but sometimes (like now)
it goes against the "separate debian packaging" usual
workflow...
491[09:05:04] <alkisg> `dpkg-source -b .` with "3.0
(git)" created a .dsc and a .git bundle, nice, looking for how
to use git bundles...
492[09:05:51] <somiaj> almost wonder if putting debian/ in a
seperate branch could help out, though as the matainer it might not
be worth the hassel.
494[09:08:02] <alkisg> Ideally I would like to have all
packaging folders (for all distributions) in the same upstream tree
for my packages, it would make life easier. E.g. "update for
newer library 3.x" might be a single commit that affects both
src/ and debian/ or spec/ folders...
495[09:08:46] <alkisg> Of course it's more common that
"package maintainers != upstream", but it would be nice to
also support "package maintainers == upstream"...
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501[09:13:55] <somiaj> Either way, I think you can get it to
work out. My experience is very limited, but I had one package I had
to remove an old/oudated debian/ dir first, before adding one to
make a package that meets debian policy, and since debian requires
exact copy of upstream source, then adding debian/ and patches on
top of it, just can make that work flow a bit more complicated if
you need to make changes to meet
572[11:00:31] <holycow> does anyone know how to intercept and
remap button #10 and #11 on a joystick to something else ... at the
driver level before anything caninterpret it?
573[11:01:08] <holycow> jstest-gtk can only move the order of
buttons around. and i don't know if it even works the right
way, i read that evdev is the new way that everything accesses
joysticks these days
574[11:01:46] <holycow> button 10 and 11 sit right under the
analog controllers and i hit them all the time
583[11:16:28] <ratrace> holycow: don't these things
ultimately _all_ go through xorg/libinput and can be remapped there?
584[11:20:19] <holycow> that is a good point actually, never
looked into that. thanks, googling.
585[11:21:08] <ratrace> holycow: use "xev" to see what
signals the joystick buttons produce, if any. if there's a
scancode or xorg designation, it should be remappable
630[11:45:03] <rk4> Bushcat: would suggest whatever security
objective you hope to achieve will be severely compromised by not
having even rudimentary knowledge of your OS :(
631[11:45:21] <Bushcat> holycow, this is the full operation so
far I have done with no success
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645[11:53:13] <Bushcat> holycow, no idea why it is not working,
here is the pastebin of that Tor Browser Setup file
'/home/bushcat/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US'
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646[11:53:46] <holycow> there is nothing wrong with tor or the
config
647[11:53:55] <holycow> the problem is with your host /
filesystem
648[11:54:35] <holycow> if you donwloaded it, extracted as per
your pastebin and you got that error message, something is weirdly
wrong with your system
649[11:54:38] <holycow> you hosed something
650[11:55:06] <holycow> given where you are in terms of your
skill level, it is far easier to start with a fresh install and
start again then try to unfurl whatever is causing that ... although
it may end up being simple
651[11:55:25] <holycow> are you running linux in a vm? or you
have it installed as the root os on your hardware?
652[11:57:08] <Bushcat> holycow, no VM
653[11:57:16] <Bushcat> holycow, I am in Debian 9
654[11:57:22] <Bushcat> so how I go about uninstalling this
655[11:57:36] <holycow> just create a new debian vm and start
over
656[11:57:45] <holycow> its only a few minutes
657[11:57:46] <Bushcat> no idea how to create VM
658[11:58:18] <holycow> oh sorry, what does "no vm"
mean.
659[11:58:24] <holycow> no as in, no, i am using a vm
660[11:58:29] <holycow> or no i am using a vm
661[11:59:38] <qrpnxz> really?
662[11:59:55] <Bushcat> no idea
663[12:00:01] <Bushcat> I just use Debian 9 OS
664[12:00:09] <Bushcat> no idea what is vm
665[12:00:22] <holycow> once again
666[12:00:25] <holycow> how do you have it installed
667[12:00:31] <holycow> did you install it directly on your
computer?
743[12:21:39] <holycow> it takes time. there is a lot to learn.
people think windows or mac is easy. this isn't true, they
forget they have like 25+ years of muscle memory behind their
experience
744[12:22:22] <holycow> my favourite are photoshop users
complaining about gimp. they also forget photoshop took them 10+
years to master and forget how hard it was to learn the first 50% of
photoshop when they started.
745[12:25:28] <Bushcat> understandable
746[12:25:54] <Bushcat> thanks anyhow for all the help though
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826[14:25:14] <rokra> hello, I m searhing to resolve an issue on
a debian temaplate terraform deployment I did, but my network
interface took 2 IPs, one manually set in the terraform deplyment
and on other one by DHCP, how can I disable this dhcp one ?
847[14:44:43] <rokra> petn-randall: looks like I foudn the both
entries : one is in the /etc/network/interfaces in dhcp and the
other is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init with the static
IP
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850[14:46:39] <rokra> petn-randall: looks like I foudn the both
entries : one is in the /etc/network/interfaces in dhcp and the
other is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init with the static
IP : networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the
control process exited with error code
855[14:48:53] <Ooze> Good morning. What's the correct way
to enter this command in a systemd service? This doesn't seem
to be working out:
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921[16:09:15] <ratrace> leonardus: easiest is to set
net.ifnames=0 to kernel command line via grub (/etc/default/grub,
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX)
922[16:10:03] <ratrace> leonardus: but that only disables
udev's renaming from kernel generic names ethX. You can
regardless of this, always rename an interface using intrefaces(5)
config option, or systemd-networkd using a .link unit
968[17:16:26] <subcool> i literally just found them on google.
969[17:16:30] <subcool> thank you
970[17:16:45] <LtL> !source
971[17:16:46] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get
build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
972[17:17:12] <subcool> OMG!!!!
973[17:17:14] <subcool> THANK YOU
974[17:17:34] <LtL> subcool: welcome
975[17:24:05] <subcool> ok, small victory. i need files that
arent an option
996[17:49:38] <subcool> Download is performed unsandboxed as
root as file 'coreutils_8.30-3.dsc' couldn't be
accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission
denied)
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1030[18:05:34] <Numero-6> Hi all ! How can i see the log just
before the previous boot, begging by the last ? If my pc shutdown,
when i restart i want see why
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1032[18:06:03] <Numero-6> i have try to find with journalctl
1033[18:06:28] <another|> `journalctl --since today` might help
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Qui est le numero 1 ? - Vous etes le numero 6 - Je ne suis pas un
numero ! Je suis un homme libre!! >>)
1132[20:08:54] <Arrowmaster> so I know you can append + or - ot
package names for apt-get install and apt-get remove to force an
install or removing when using the opposite command. is there a way
to do a purge instead of a remove with that method?
1134[20:10:28] <slowly_stuck> my buster system is a xen host, and
I haven't manually specified a kernel. It seems to have
linux-image-4.19.0-8, -9, -14 and -16 installed, but is booting -8.
Is this correct behavior, or should it be moving to newer kernels?
1141[20:25:02] *** Parts: iliv (~iliv@replaced-ip) ("<paniq> you know when i walk out the door, there is
plenty of stupid people. i open irc, there is plenty of intelligent
people. so the choice comes easy.")
1157[20:33:17] <sney> slowly_stuck: it should boot the newer
kernels and the package scripts are supposed to add them to the top
of the grub menu. if your bootloader is customized in any way, that
might prevent this from working properly.
1159[20:36:14] <slowly_stuck> sney: thanks! I just checked my
grub.cfg, looks like it should be booting a new kernel and it's
just been too long since I last rebooted. Any reason the old
packages are sticking around? apt-cache rdepends just shows
linux-image-amd64
1160[20:37:02] <sney> if you're using the apt-get, apt-cache
etc tools then nothing will be autoremoved unless you specify it
1161[20:37:34] <sney> if you do an 'apt autoremove' now
it'll probably clean up a few of those kernels
1162[20:37:34] <slowly_stuck> yep, but they don't seem
eligible for autoremove either
1163[20:37:56] <slowly_stuck> autoremove finds nothing to remove.
maybe I need to reboot into new kernel first?
1164[20:38:09] <sney> yeah, that may change it
1165[20:38:24] <sney> it will keep 2 of them installed at all
times by default, odd that it wouldn't autoremove -9 at least
1197[20:49:13] <sney> upcoming releases are not in the database
yet
1198[20:49:13] <somiaj> DJAnonimo: /msg judd i network-manager
....
1199[20:49:21] <DJAnonimo> its integrated in raspbian
1200[20:49:40] <DJAnonimo> latest raspbian is debian 10
1201[20:49:42] <sney> so that output is from buster, the current
debian stable. (judd sometimes guesses or gives you the wrong
output, so make sure to actually look at the reply)
1202[20:50:16] <somiaj> if you want versions, look at ,v from
judd, the bot also won't give you info froma release that
doesn't actually exist yet
1203[20:50:18] <sney> work has not even started on bookworm.
currently, nobody knows what version it will have of anything
1255[21:34:04] <leonardus> Network tethering via USB from my
phone was working last night but now it's not, I try `ping 1.1`
and I get "connect: Network is unreachable"
1263[21:35:35] <ratrace> so you don't know what program was
used on the debian sidE?
1264[21:35:44] <leonardus> no, I don't
1265[21:35:51] <ratrace> gnome?
1266[21:35:59] <leonardus> I think it might have something to do
with me adding backports, contrib, and non-free to my apt
soruces.list since that's the only thing I changed
1267[21:36:03] <leonardus> ratrace: I don't have a gui
installed
1268[21:36:40] <leonardus> I also updated the kernel and
installed updated firmware-linux packages, but it still doesn't
work when I boot into the old kernel
1269[21:37:04] <ratrace> how do you set up your network then?
NetworkManager?
1270[21:37:22] <leonardus> I didn't, all I had to do was
plug in my phone and I had a working internet connection
1271[21:37:54] <ratrace> I am not aware what program would do
that without a full blown DE with NM and similar "consumer
oriented" processes
1272[21:38:02] <sney> unplug the usb, restart your phone, enable
tethering again, and try it again
1273[21:38:15] <ratrace> iirc that requires pppoe setup which
ain't default
1274[21:38:26] <ratrace> and now I'm curious to know which
program did the automagic
1276[21:39:18] <sney> I think it's the phone doing the heavy
lifting, address assignment etc and the usb just appears as an
interface already set up. I haven't tried it though.
1279[21:40:24] <leonardus> sney: Still nothing. It's
appearing in the devices list in `ip link` but that's it
1280[21:40:34] <ratrace> sney: but the routing wouldn't work
wihtout something like NM, networkd or interfaces(5) seeing the USB
NIC and setting itself up
1281[21:40:44] <ratrace> I wonder if you even had network running
at all
1282[21:41:02] <leonardus> ratrace: I definitely had a working
connection, I installed and updated packages
1283[21:41:12] <leonardus> and my computer isn't wired with
ethernet
1284[21:41:20] <ratrace> leonardus: can you pastebin the output
of dmesg that appears _after_ you plug in the USB thingy and/or
enable tethering?
1285[21:41:44] <ratrace> better yet, start `journalctl -f` and do
the tethering dance, and pastebin the output you got, please
1286[21:41:45] <DJAnonimo> I installed debian 11 on raspberry PI.
is it on network? ssh is enabled? I put the key where the FAQ says
1287[21:41:46] <leonardus> I cannot but I can take a photo of it
and upload it
1288[21:41:56] <ratrace> leonardus: okay
1289[21:42:01] <ratrace> imgur is fine
1290[21:42:02] <sney> ratrace: I agree with you that it
doesn't seem to make sense, but I have also seen a lot of
people use it with 0 extra setup. in the installer, too.
1291[21:42:16] * sney should probably try it to see how it works
1293[21:42:32] <tomreyn> no, pppoe isn't used then tethering
through android.
1294[21:42:35] <ratrace> sney: sure, with gnome and other
bloatwares with over nine thousand "configuration"
processes that wait for various events, from color correction,
through input, networking, stuff...
1297[21:43:13] <sney> ratrace: last I checked, gnome is not
running in the installer. or on systems that need firmware before
they can have video, or wifi.
1298[21:44:00] <ratrace> ahhh rndis_host, that's it
1299[21:44:18] <tomreyn> leonardus: broken usb wire or overloaded
usb (universal serial *bus*)
1300[21:44:25] <ratrace> leonardus: can you screenshot the output
of `ip a` ?
1340[21:54:12] <tomreyn> DJAnonimo: i see. i've never done
this, may be misinterpreting what i'm reading. maybe copy your
sysconf.txt to a pastebin (replacing the root password by
"PASSWORD", in case you set one)
1341[21:55:16] *** Quits: v01d4lph4 (~v01d4lph4@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1349[22:01:37] <tomreyn> leonardus: "May 02 15:54:28 city17
iwd[642]: The following options are missing in the kernel:"
1350[22:01:54] <leonardus> yeah, do I have to build my own kernel
or something?
1351[22:01:55] <sney> leonardus: the kernel options it's
complaining about seem to be available as modules, try e.g.
'modprobe crypto_user' etc and try to start the service
again
1352[22:02:21] <sney> you can look in /lib/modules/$(uname
-r)/kernel/crypto for the module names
1353[22:03:10] <tomreyn> legacy crypto ftw!
1354[22:04:40] <leonardus> sney: tried modprobe with cryptd,
crypto_engine, crypto_simd, and crypto_user, still nothing
1355[22:05:11] *** Quits: Grldfrdom (uid391113@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1356[22:05:53] <sney> "still nothing" as in the service
closes with the same error? please be specific for those of us who
can't see your screen. :)
1357[22:06:03] <leonardus> yeah, same error, sorry
1358[22:06:12] <leonardus> lists the same options missing
1359[22:06:27] <leonardus> also tried modprobe ecb
1360[22:07:49] <alexrelis[m]> Do you guys think that smartly
configured workspaces eliminates the need for a multi-monitor setup?
1363[22:08:43] <sney> leonardus: does iwd have its own log with
more information than the journalctl output? if the kernel modules
are loaded and it's still complaining about "missing"
then it's likely something else is wrong.
1401[22:19:02] <leonardus> tomreyn: because my wifi driver isnt
available in the older one
1402[22:19:03] *** Quits: Jerrynicki (~niklas@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1403[22:19:05] <jordan_> I'd like to install debian 10 on a
2013 macbook air. I need to install the wl driver to make wifi work
but it's not included in the installation image and I
can't use a wired connection since it doesnt have a port for
it. Can someone by chance share a binary so I can use a usb-stick or
has anyone a better idea how to get it?
1404[22:19:19] <sney> no, it's not in buster-backports, that
reply from judd is about whether the backport can be *built*
1405[22:19:33] <tomreyn> "looks backportable" !=
"it has been backported"
1406[22:19:54] <leonardus> oh
1407[22:20:13] <coc0nut> running a headless debian on imac 2012
is my sollution :P
1410[22:21:23] <sney> jordan_: broadcom is a huge pain, sorry.
you might have an easier time if you install from a CD1 or DVD1 iso
rather than the netinstall, so you aren't stuck with a super
minimal OS to work with. then you will have a toolchain for
broadcom-sta-dkms etc
1411[22:21:38] *** Quits: catman370 (~catman@replaced-ip) (Quit: See you later..)
1415[22:23:58] <tomreyn> leonardus: i guess you could either
request the iwd backport (for a potential medium-term solution) or
try to see whether you can get your wireless device (which?) working
on the default kernel, or upgrade to testing, or keep using a
different wireless device/chipset or ethernet connection.
1454[22:52:19] <DJAnonimo> I did not created it. I modified with
notepad
1455[22:52:25] <DJAnonimo> like all other distros
1456[22:52:57] <tomreyn> all other distros? what do you mean?
1457[22:54:00] <DJAnonimo> i mean I already tried raspbian,
ubuntu, lubuntu etc
1458[22:54:15] <DJAnonimo> only now have problems with debian
1459[22:54:51] <DJAnonimo> other images looking for ssh.txt file
for enable ssh, and on first login it ask for new password
1460[22:55:07] <tomreyn> i haven't looked at the script
which interprets the sysconf.txt file, yet, so i'm not sure
whether the key did not get installed properly due to the DOS line
endings you put on the file when saving it with notepad. it *could*
be.
1461[22:55:10] <DJAnonimo> on raspberian root user is
"pi" on ubuntu is "ubuntu"
1462[22:55:28] <tomreyn> more likely, though, you just
didn't login correctly
1463[22:55:47] <tomreyn> you need to specify the secret key fiel
you created when logging in, did oyu do so?
1464[22:56:56] <tomreyn> let me rephrase this: when logging in to
the raspi as user root, you need to specify (to the ssh client,
putty, i think you said) the secret key file you created earlier.
did you do so?
1465[22:57:34] <DJAnonimo> no. im trying with the root password
that is in the .txt
1466[22:57:36] *** Quits: wrksx (~wrksx@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1481[23:00:15] <DJAnonimo> FAQ is really bad documented.
1482[23:00:37] <tomreyn> the "ssh-rsa ..." stuff you
put into sysconfig.txt is the public part of this ssh key pair. you
probably created this with puttygen? a file named
".ssh/id_rsa.pub" would also be a public key. the
correspoinding private key would normally be stored in
".ssh/id_rsa" then.
1483[23:01:01] <tomreyn> the user really lacks understanding of
ssh public/private key authentication
1493[23:02:34] <DJAnonimo> yes. on raspberry PI ubuntu 20
1494[23:02:47] <DJAnonimo> -f ?
1495[23:03:01] <DJAnonimo> I did like this:
replaced-url
1496[23:03:10] <tomreyn> -f let's you decide where to write
the key to
1497[23:03:11] <DJAnonimo> so "ssh-keygen -t rsa"
1498[23:03:46] <tomreyn> if you don't specify -f, the key is
written to the defualt location, which is ~/.ssh/id_rsa in this case
1499[23:04:06] <Peppi> does anyone know I remember seeing an
interesting "command" where you can directly send output
to a no paste service. Like I can do a dmesg and pipe it to a
website or something and it returns the link. Does anyone know what
service does this?
1500[23:04:07] <tomreyn> so this is where the private key was
written, the one you'd now need to authenticate
1501[23:04:29] <DJAnonimo> ok. is more clear now. lets try
1539[23:28:11] <DJAnonimo> Unable to use key file
"C:\Users\djano\Desktop\privatekey.ppk" (OpenSSH SSH-2
private key (new format))
1540[23:28:14] <DJAnonimo> grrr
1541[23:28:30] <tomreyn> you can convert it using puttygen
1542[23:28:38] <jhutchins> Did I mention documentation?
1543[23:28:43] <DJAnonimo> :D
1544[23:28:47] <tomreyn> whats that?
1545[23:29:01] <DJAnonimo> ok. this thing is getting increadible
1546[23:29:44] <phogg> a .ppk file must be in the putty key
format. Putty ships with a key generator (which should also be able
to convert)
1547[23:30:04] <tomreyn> and that generator is called puttygen
1548[23:30:09] <ratrace> ditch Crapdows, install Linux proper,
use ssh-keygen. :)
1549[23:30:22] <jhutchins> I used putty for a long time, but my
last job I just installed VirtualBox (on the company official
Win10), and I ran a Debian VM for ssh (and other stuff).
1551[23:30:28] <phogg> putty is also available on Linux. Some
people seem to like it, strange though that sounds
1552[23:30:36] <ratrace> eww.
1553[23:30:39] <jhutchins> GUI
1554[23:30:40] <tomreyn> you could even install proper openssh on
windows
1555[23:30:57] <ratrace> but... Crapdows....
1556[23:31:01] <tomreyn> but it "lacks" a GUI
1557[23:31:05] <DJAnonimo> I've imported it
1558[23:31:05] <jhutchins> Kids these days! Anything not GUI is
no good (and probably dangerous).
1559[23:31:52] <DJAnonimo> wow. Im in
1560[23:31:53] <DJAnonimo> hahaha
1561[23:31:56] <DJAnonimo> incredible
1562[23:32:06] <DJAnonimo> thank you tomreyn
1563[23:32:17] <ratrace> GUI is very muchneeded. It's
literally impossible to use openss-cli! `ssh-keygen -t ed25519` is
very hard to type.
1564[23:32:53] <another|> ratrace: i bet you copy-pasted that one
1565[23:33:00] <another|> since you couldn't type it
1566[23:33:39] <phogg> putty is one of the few terminal emulators
which is fully configurable from the GUI. Not using X resources
feels weird to me, but I suppose some find the alternative
appealing.
1567[23:33:48] <ratrace> another|: I copied it from a youtube
vid!
1568[23:34:15] <another|> i knew it!
1569[23:34:36] <tomreyn> youtube is outdated, you should use
instagram videos only!
1610[23:53:27] <tomreyn> DJAnonimo: note the "Failed
tests" for the Debian "testing" (bullseye, version
11) image you chose to download (20210408_raspi_4_bullseye.img.xz)
at
replaced-url