51[01:08:33] <MikeDebian> guys, is it possible to use
extundelete on raid mdadm raid array?
52[01:08:35] <MikeDebian> need to recover some unintentionally
deleted files...
53[01:10:03] <MikeDebian> the array is already stopped, now Im
trying to mount it as readonly, though not sure if mdadm --assemble
--readonly /dev/mdX us enough. mount -o remount, ro /dev/mdX
/mnt/whatever is returning "bad option" error
112[01:28:03] <MikeDebian> assuming the array is mounted in
/mnt/raid and I want to restore a full directory I should run:
"extundelete /dev/mdX --restore-directory
/mnt/raid/home/whatever/directory/to_recover/"
113[01:28:06] <MikeDebian> right?
114[01:28:28] <ratrace> I never had to use it so I wouldn't
know, sorry.
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164[02:13:52] <MikeDebian> extundelete is not giving me much
luck
165[02:14:18] <MikeDebian> anyone has used ext4magic before?
166[02:14:58] <MikeDebian> "ext4magic /dev/mdX -f
directory/to/recover" lists me all the files that were there
167[02:15:06] <MikeDebian> this gives me some hope
168[02:15:44] <MikeDebian> but when trying to recover the
directory or the files it doesnt work. even recovering files that I
know were not deleted is not working. I might be doing something
wrong
178[02:25:24] <MikeDebian> the files were related to an internal
nvr web software that I've been developing. In the meantime I
remembered that I actually backed it up on the 30th of December so I
have a backup at least. but some great improvements have been done
since then. I wouldn't like to be redoing them
179[02:25:55] <ratrace> let me introduce you to my friend Git,
and his friend, daily commits. :)
180[02:26:17] <ratrace> (and his friend's friend, git push
to a remote origin)
193[02:33:41] <twb> ratrace: the biggest problem with rsnapshot
is its stupid bloody config file
194[02:34:09] <twb> but they never gave me a budget to fix it
195[02:35:22] <dvs> ??? I didn't find it too difficult.
196[02:35:59] <ratrace> it worked for me. iirc there was some
gotchas about it, but in the end, it worked mighty fine.
197[02:36:05] <qman__> I wrote my own rsync script ages ago
198[02:37:23] <qman__> I actually use backuppc for most of my
stuff, only use the rsync script on a couple systems where
they're backing up to other locally attached storage
199[02:38:18] <ratrace> I still use rsync, but I'm shipping
zfs and btrfs snapshots around
203[02:41:53] <qman__> I'm actually using the rsync script
to back up a non-ZFS volume to a ZFS volume, and then ZFS sending it
to another machine
204[02:42:15] <qman__> with snapshots
205[02:43:18] <twb> rsnapshot uses literal tabs as inter-record
separators, and also if you e.g. do not set cmd_cp to /bin/cp, it
will instead use a vastly less efficient in-perl cp
206[02:43:27] <twb> i.e. it's not smart enough to just
*look* for cp in $PATH
222[03:00:12] <edufmass> Hello, I need some advice. When
installing the system a host is defined then a domain. I have a
domain pointing to my home ip to use with apache, etc. I don't
know the relationship between real domain and domain defined in
installation
223[03:01:16] <sney> the domain field in the installer is only
used for dns purposes.
224[03:01:59] <twb> if you're on a home LAN you probably
don't have a real domain anyways
225[03:02:08] <sney> apache may (I don't use apache so I
don't remember) auto populate some configs from that, but it
doesn't have a major effect on anything, and you can
change/remove it in /etc/resolv.conf and hosts
226[03:02:16] <twb> and the local stuff will all be on .local
MDNS
243[03:23:29] <Mazhive> funny thing when i play dota on screen
one and move my cursor to the second screen it changes the current
window (screen dota ) to my main screen like you would do with alt
tab
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267[03:39:04] <fling> jmcnaught: it gives me no results ->
replaced-url
268[03:39:27] <fling> So which package is config coming from?
And why is it not on the search? ^
269[03:40:03] <jmcnaught> fling: mine is from buster-backports,
yours will be different if you are using the stock buster kernel. If
you run "ls /boot/config-$(uname -r)" it will show you
yours.
270[03:40:27] <fling> jmcnaught: and what is the package name?
272[03:41:26] <jmcnaught> fling: for me it is
linux-image-5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, for you with stock buster kernel it
would be linux-image-4.19.0-13-amd64
336[04:20:55] <fling> The issue is stuff using openmp and
similar libs crashes on this numa box, not sure if this is because
of kernel or something else
338[04:21:20] <twb> So e.g. you can cp /boot/config-4.9
linux-5.0/.config and then "make syncconfig" there, and
it'll only prompt you about new options
339[04:21:43] <fling> yeah
340[04:21:59] <twb> You probably also should knoe about
"make deb-pkg" which is the recommended way to spit out an
(unsigned) kernel
341[04:22:02] <fling> how is it different from oldconfig?
342[04:22:08] <twb> oldconfig just changed its name
380[05:04:17] <alex11> hi, having some major issues with my xfce
desktop
381[05:04:57] <alex11> i ran some compiz setting and it borked
things, couldn't open window manager settings; so i rebooted,
removed compiz and tried to log in, and now it's in this weird
state of being borked
382[05:05:47] <alex11> i wonder if having removed compiz i need
to do another reboot first, maybe it loaded that first when lightdm
started up
425[05:19:52] <alex11> hmm, it apparently still starts compiz
426[05:20:05] <alex11> i have to invoke 'xfwm4' to get
proper gui behavior again
427[05:20:51] <alex11> what was the config file people wanted?
428[05:21:48] <JackFrost> twb recommended trying to nuke your
Xfce config and try logging back in, I add in that you should also
dump ~/.cache/session (or whatever it is.)
429[05:22:14] <twb> also you don't need a full reoot
430[05:22:15] <alex11> in the tty i guess
431[05:22:29] <JackFrost> Ensure xfconfd isn't running,
just to make sure.
433[05:22:32] <twb> you can just restart GUI, e.g. "pkill
-u alex11" or "sudo systemctl restart lightdm"
434[05:22:40] <alex11> how do i nuke my xfce config, what part?
435[05:23:11] <twb> grep -r xfwm4 ~/.config
436[05:23:14] <twb> grep -r compilz ~/.config
437[05:23:23] <twb> alex11: ^ I'd try some basic things
like that to guess
438[05:24:30] <alex11> can i get it back later? i don't
want to lose my customizations
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440[05:24:54] <twb> well just move the files, don't delete
em
441[05:25:24] *** Quits: Grldfrdom (uid391113@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
442[05:27:14] <alex11> what's the playbook, here? nuke the
configs, log back in and... then what?
443[05:28:20] <alex11> btw all this stuff is in
/home/alex/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/
444[05:28:26] <alex11> if you want the exact file path
445[05:28:56] <alex11> i don't understand why there
isn't a simpler way to just 'make it work', if i
removed compiz
446[05:29:09] <alex11> instead of removing configs
447[05:30:36] <JackFrost> Did you try the grep commands, like
twb recommended..?
448[05:30:54] <alex11> yes, that's where i got the file
path
449[05:31:21] <alex11> compiz returned nothing and xfwm4
returned
/home/alex/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml and
/home/alex/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
450[05:31:28] <alex11> which i've now copied to another
folder
464[05:37:58] <alex11> /usr/bin/xfwm4 for x-window-manager and
"/etc/alternatives/x-session-manager: X server already running
on display :0.0" and "xfce4-session: Another session
manager is already running" for session-manager
465[05:38:47] <twb> that's... extremely silly
466[05:38:52] <quadrathoch2> MikeDebian hope it works out for
you. If not look into photorec and testdisk (apart from the photorec
name it does recover more than photos) and I hope you learned your
lesson ^^
467[05:39:07] <twb> I think you accidentally put a semicolon in
there
495[05:49:43] <JackFrost> alex11: I'd start out just trying
to rm sessions and ensure that the checkbox isn't saved on
logout.
496[05:49:45] <twb> alex11: sorry I've done all the basic
stuff I know
497[05:49:59] <twb> alex11: did you ask #xfce
498[05:50:05] <alex11> no not yet
499[05:50:24] <alex11> JackFrost, i might just uncheck
'save session' and then reboot then? seems like that alone
might do the trick
500[05:50:53] <alex11> or, well, log out
501[05:50:55] <alex11> not reboot
502[05:50:59] <abhixec> Hi all! I am currently running
XMonad+arch on my laptop but am considering debian. I don't
particularly have a need for latest linux kernel but I want certain
software packages to be latest(xmonad, xmonad-contrib, emacs,
vim,..etc) would debian work for me?
503[05:51:04] <twb> save session basically means it'll
remember that you had firefox open, and re-start firefox on login
504[05:51:20] <twb> I don't *think* it helps with xfce
internals
505[05:51:53] <alex11> JackFrost, i guess my question is, if
i'm just restoring the config later on, won't it re-cause
these issues?
507[05:52:02] <twb> abhixec: depending how much stuff, you can
run Debian Stable and then cherry-pick from backports, or you can
run Debian testing or testing/unstable -- these are essentially
"rolling releases"
508[05:52:39] <JackFrost> alex11: Again, my first recommendation
would simply be ~/.cache/sessions/, which would not later be
restored.
509[05:52:51] <alex11> abhixec, window managers don't tend
to get updated so you might want debian testing, usual caveats
apply, don't run it on anything critical
510[05:53:03] <alex11> window managers don't tend to get
backported *
511[05:53:24] <alex11> JackFrost, ok. let me try that. logging
off hexchat so i can go back to tty
542[06:08:42] <alex11> and why i thought it was compiz
543[06:08:52] <alex11> because i knew there was
'compton'
544[06:09:09] <alex11> and i said to myself "no don't
install that, you want the other one, that one is a compositor"
545[06:09:16] <abhixec> Thanks twb alex11 so I can still have a
mix of stable + rolling(i read it is sid correct) for the software
that I want correct?
546[06:09:25] <alex11> except instead of conky my brain went to
compiz
547[06:09:38] <alex11> no, you shouldn't mix stable with
testing/sid
575[06:15:07] <alex11> a lot of people who say 'i need a
newer version of such and such' actually don't
576[06:15:14] <pclover> this is probably covered in the wiki but
i guess i can ask anyways. does apt-get have an option to exclude
packages from being installed like it exists for yum on rpm based
distros?
577[06:15:19] <alex11> but yeah, some people think testing is
fine, so use it if you like
578[06:15:19] <pclover> or something similar to it
579[06:15:29] <alex11> pclover, apt-mark hold, i think
580[06:15:43] <alex11> but dependencies exist for a good reason
593[06:17:29] <pclover> tho, it's probably better to build
a package instead
594[06:17:51] <JackFrost> Yep, at least a dummy one that
provides it.
595[06:18:08] <alex11> abhixec, i feel like you might be fine
with debian testing; just keep backups and watch what the package
manager tells you when installing/upgrading stuff
596[06:18:31] <alex11> don't run it on mission critical
things - but that being said, it's debian, and 'in
development' is as good as some other distro's
'stable' releases
597[06:18:35] <pclover> unless there is a way to install
specific packages from debian-testing but that seems like a bad idea
598[06:19:17] <JackFrost> Via apt pinning, but with mixed
results yeah.
603[06:21:23] <alex11> so abhixec if you do want to try
compiling your own xmonad on debian stable their site does give you
compile instructions
604[06:21:26] <alex11> no idea how well it will work
605[06:26:22] <abhixec> that is a good point I need to see if
any of the modules that I use in config have dependency on latest
xmonad/xmonad-contrib, yeah I agree I mean one of reasons I am
looking at Debian is because I feel with Arch I am spending way too
much time trying to get my laptop in a working state(with nvidia+
latest kernel messing up my ability to connect to external monitor)
606[06:27:14] <alex11> yeah i mean if you know for sure you need
the newest xmonad it's one thing but if you're not sure
you might be able to make do with stable's
607[06:27:24] <alex11> vim/emacs are more straightforward, you
don't need testing/sid for that
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609[06:29:29] <alex11> debian testing is fine, you just need to
understand the limitations and not run too many critical things on
it, because it's in development, packages can get removed, it
gets security fixes slower than other releases
611[06:30:55] <abhixec> is there a guide to installing debian +
xmonad I see the media ships with xfce4 correct?
612[06:31:54] <alex11> if you want no desktop to start with,
just unclick the desktops in the installer and then from the shell
(when it finishes installing), apt install xorg xmonad and whatever
else you want
613[06:32:04] <alex11> you can start it with either a display
manager or startx
616[06:34:29] <alex11> if you have an internet connection you
can just use the netinst image, or the netinst with non-free
firmware if you're on wifi or somethijng
617[06:34:31] <alex11> something
618[06:34:42] <alex11> to get your devices to work in the
installer
619[06:35:21] <twb> Note that "startx" is unlikely to
place nice with systemd-logind
620[06:35:45] <twb> xmonad and xfce will probably deal with it,
but GNOME is likely to have a huge whinge
624[06:37:11] <twb> abhixec: Debian ships big (ahead-of-time)
and small (on-demand) install media. We also have Debian Live images
for several desktops, including XFCE, but not xmonad.
625[06:37:30] <twb> abhixec: you can install any of them any
then add/change desktop or WM whenever you want
626[06:37:42] <alex11> yeah what twb said
627[06:37:47] <alex11> in a better way than i did
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629[06:38:14] <twb> Because xmonad isn't a full desktop,
you can't just choose it as the preferred desktop at install
time
630[06:38:27] <mcole> hello, quick question, has modprobe been
removed from Debian completely? I want to shush my built-in laptop
beeper but can't blacklist pcspkr via modprobe
631[06:38:55] <twb> mcole: did you try "blacklist
pcspkr" in /etc/modprobe.d/die-pckspr-die.conf ?
632[06:38:56] <mcole> and when I search for it with apt, there
are no results, neither in packages.debian.org
633[06:39:19] <mcole> twb: nope, but that sounds like a good
start
634[06:39:24] <twb> mcole: the "kmod" package provides
"modprobe"
635[06:39:26] <abhixec> thanks twb,yeah I understand that. I
want to run xmonad so I guesss I will get the small(on-demand) one
and try installing!
636[06:40:00] <twb> mcole: however you will likely run into two
issues: 1. pcspkr might be compiled =y; and 2. "blacklist"
doesn't do what you think, you generally need "install foo
/bin/false"
637[06:40:12] <mcole> twb: thanks, I was wondering where to find
it. Which should be my preferred method, manually editing or running
the command?
638[06:40:31] <twb> mcole: also for pcspkr I vaguely recall that
there's some other separate thing
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721[07:38:42] <Logg> Wondering if any of you nerds know if
there's a security risk in passing access to your X server over
an SSH session? Could the remote server grab screen buffer contents
even for things that it's not trying to render itself?
754[08:07:46] <Rodon> what command (systemctl reboot) works for
instant reboot ?
755[08:08:05] <iamchroot> i thought reboot would do it
756[08:08:25] <tomreyn> an instant reboot is a power cycle, i
assume?
757[08:09:23] <Rodon> "systemctl reboot" gives empty
screen ..it takes much longer to reboot..
758[08:09:45] <Rodon> kind of freeze i see..
759[08:10:21] <JackFrost> twb: Yeah I don't like CSDs at
*all*. :)
760[08:10:39] <tomreyn> this suggests something is wrong about a
systemd service you are running. would need to have a look at the
logs or boot with verbose output to know whats the problem.
761[08:11:09] <twb> Rodon: there are several reasons that might
be
770[08:13:14] <Rodon> twb: thanks..it makes sense now..
771[08:13:34] <twb> Rodon: if this is happening every time, you
probably want to work out which unit in systemd is causing the hang.
This is a HUGE pain in the arse, because systemd shuts down most
logging early in shutdown/reboot cycle :-(
772[08:13:39] <tomreyn> oh and systemd services failing to shut
down properly can also CAUSE DATA LOSS
773[08:13:50] <twb> Rodon: the best option I found was to hook
up the serial line to another computer
774[08:14:32] <twb> tomreyn: it's a different class of
failure, though. systemd hangs are purely in userland. "reboot
-ff" will bypass low-level shit like parking the HDD heads
775[08:14:57] <tomreyn> i see
776[08:15:04] <Rodon> i want safe reboot..
777[08:15:14] <tomreyn> To get a more verbose log of the boot
*and shutdown* process, remove "quiet" and
"splash" from the kernel boot parameters and add
"debug systemd.log_level=info".
778[08:15:20] <twb> Rodon: oh one other thing you can try: if
you type Ctrl+Alt+Del 7 times in 2 seconds, systemd will do a hard
reboot
779[08:15:37] <twb> tomreyn: ah yeah thanks I forgot those are
on by default :-
780[08:15:59] <tomreyn> that way you should not just get a black
screen but get a better idea of where it's hanging
784[08:16:31] <twb> Also if plymouth is installed, you can hit
Esc during shutdown and it'll re-print all the console text
785[08:16:53] <twb> This is assuming the hang is early enough
that the keyboard hasn't been disconnected &c
786[08:17:43] <twb> There's a bunch of other Deep Magic
tricks e.g. dracut initrd pivot_root during shutdown, but you
don't want to think about that stuff if simpler options work
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876[09:30:58] <FishMonkey> thanks JackFrost. i made a panel icon
of $mousepad .local/share/notes/Notes/Notes # that should keep me
satisfied until it comes back, lol
989[11:23:48] <Darcidride> Hi guys, when running "sudo
powertop" I don't have any issues, even "sudo
powertop --auto-tune" is working without any issues, but when
i'm trying to execute "sudo powertop2tuned -n -e
laptop" it's not working and returned me "PowerTOP
returned error code: -11" which is weird, i search a bit, but
after a while i only find an unresolved issue from Fedora 31
replaced-url
990[11:23:53] <Darcidride> things i can do to debug this issue ?
(i don't even know what's this error -11 is :/)
994[11:29:47] <diogenes_> DarkaMaul, what is powertop2tuned and
where did you get it from?
995[11:29:51] <diogenes_> v, powertop2tuned
996[11:30:15] <diogenes_> v. powertop2tuned
997[11:37:00] <misternumberone> hi, i'm restricted by
driver limitations to a custom kernel based on 4.14.108. This seems
to work fine in debian 10. however, i'd like to try software
that's only for debian sid (replaced-url
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1005[11:44:54] <misternumberone> however, the part where i
thought "i can't use this software as things stand"
is when i noticed it needs gcc 10. i'm pretty sure if i update
that beyond what debian 10 comes with, many things may stop working,
without full dist-upgrade
1007[11:45:11] <Darcidride> misternumberone, theorically if
you're using apps (stable for example), if should be tested and
working accordingly to the stable kernel, so you should be able to
use them, for more recent software, with an old kernel/drivers,
i'm not sure it should work, it could, but i don't thing
the maintainers are testing the software backward compaability with
old kernel (maybe i'm wrong, correct me if it's the case)
1008[11:45:39] <Darcidride> it / think *
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1092[13:18:08] <RadoS> With i5-....U CPUs inten says it has 2
cores, 4 threads, with i5-....HQ CPUs it says 4 cores, 8 threads.
Yet for both /proc/cpuinfo reports 4 cores, and in top for both 4
cpus are shown. What am I misunderstanding?
1101[13:25:54] <ratrace> i5 are traditionally not HT. I think
only latest gens (skylake onward or something liek that) are also
HT. which one is yours?
1102[13:26:06] <ws2k3> how can i increate the heap for zookeeper
on debian?
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1104[13:27:14] <rk4> ws2k3: commonly that's a jvm
commandline arg
1106[13:27:34] <ws2k3> rk4: yeah i know that. but im trying to
find how where is should add it
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1108[13:30:00] <jelly> ratrace, my i5-660 was HT. 2010.
1109[13:31:51] <jelly> RadoS, the machine with your i5-....HQ cpu
might have HT disabled, what is the actual model, and can you
pastebin complete /proc/cpuinfo
1126[13:50:39] <shtrb> Other than tlp what other power management
elements tools might be loaded and could affect power state of
ethernet devices (follow up on yesterday bug )
1152[14:13:59] <RadoS> jelly, I correct myself: it says processor
0-3 for both, but core-ids are different. Yet, still, why does it
appear "same" in "top"?
1170[14:34:46] <RadoS> Hmm, so I don't understand enough
about CPU specifications, but when the intro to both CPUs says 2
core 4 threads, the other 4 core 8 threads, this doesn't
automatically convert to double cpu power?!
1184[14:41:42] <jelly> RadoS, desirable for what? If you want
less power use, less cores is probably better. If you have highly
parallelizable load, more cores is better
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1186[14:42:07] <shtrb> (*) Assuming your software actually use
all of them properly
1208[14:48:37] <RadoS> jelly, processing power (for
virtualization or high-end games). But if in the end only the total
thread number makes a/ no difference, then core # doesn't
matter either (except for power consumption).
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1217[14:51:35] <jelly> RadoS, assuming thermals are configured
properly, unlike these Thinkpads, then more cores is better. SMT
(HT) is a hack that never gives you as much processing power as full
cores
1218[14:51:42] <RadoS> Hmm, maybe for virtualization
cores/threads does make difference?
1242[15:09:56] <shtrb> jelly, wait wait , that could be close to
my issue with power management with Ethernet ports, is there a
chance that it could trigger Wifi (the dreaded I219-V kernel issue
from 4.18 and up)
1243[15:10:19] <shtrb> sorry not wifi but ethernet card going
into power save mode or something like that
1246[15:11:15] <jelly> shtrb, no idea, is it a laptop?
1247[15:12:10] <shtrb> yes , Thinkpad , a known firmware/driver
bug where the I219-V when using e1000e would go to a non responsive
state (the workaround is to either boot into windows or disable
power mangment )
1309[16:01:05] <jelly> huma, only fixes for serious errors and
security issues get applied
1310[16:02:07] <jelly> huma, if you're willing, you can
check whether the problem is still present in the version in
bullseye, the testing branch, if it's still there it's
worth poking the maintainers again so it gets fixed for Debian 11
1448[18:09:42] <cluelessperson> there seem to be two directories
with the same name...
1449[18:09:53] <cluelessperson> not sure how to pick a certain
one
1450[18:10:54] <slowly_stuck> How do I create a virtual network
interface that's not connected to any physical interface?
(Apparently just defining it in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't
work - ifup can't find the interface)
1470[18:27:13] <slowly_stuck> interesting, cluelessperson! I
think a dummy isn't exactly right, since I'm next going to
add it to a bridge (and use it to communicate with VMs that will
also be on the bridge). gnat_x: is it reasonable to attach to an
actual interface, but use a totally different network config?
1471[18:27:15] <neilthereildeil> whats the latest kernel shipping
in debian 10?
1482[18:29:56] <greycat> You're using a backports kernel.
"bpo" = backports.org or something like that.
1483[18:29:59] <neilthereildeil> im not sure. i might have pinned
the kernel to that version, but my wifi isnt working correctly so i
wanted to see if upgrading will help
1577[20:04:35] <greycat> Did you blindly change every
"buster" to "bullseye" including third-party
repos without actually CHECKING whether the third-party repo has a
bullseye section?
1578[20:05:07] <ratrace> solomomi: first of all,
bullseye-backports and bullseye-security do not exist yet. second,
you should check docker docs if and how they provide repos for
Bullseye
1579[20:05:40] <solomomi> retrace, I thought the docker are
commented, isn't it?
1580[20:05:53] <ratrace> line 4 is not
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1615[20:18:16] <ratrace> solomomi: jelly's advice is most
sound. to upgrade, you should completely disable third party repos
and then reinstall what got dropped, after upgrade. but first check
if docker even provides bullseye repo
1616[20:18:41] <solomomi> ratrace it doesn't
1617[20:18:54] <solomomi> but i have a backup so I'm not
afraid to mess it up :D
1618[20:19:03] <greycat> Oh, how cute. The command from
ratrace's superuser URL doesn't "work" on
google-chrome-stable because it has "stable" in its deb
line.
1640[20:32:10] <ratrace> greycat: I don't understand that.
isn't the most obvious thing, new libc, that requires
relinking?
1641[20:32:57] <jken> Hello, I have a strange issue I am hoping
someone here might know something about. Running buster, default
kernel, I am using an USB to Ethernet adapter for network
connectivity. If my router goes offline for a short period of time,
network connectivity returns when it comes back online. HOWEVER, if
the router loses power for a long period of time (confirmed at 6
hours), network connectivity never returns when the router is
powered back up. When this
1642[20:32:57] <jken> happens, I don't even see my ehternet
device in `ifconfig`
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tranquille)
1651[20:34:28] <jken> ratrace, is that disable-able?
1652[20:34:57] <ratrace> could be, I don't know how to even
check for USB network devices
1653[20:35:33] <sigint> Hi, I built a new machine with an AMD GPU
(5700 xt) using the amdgpu driver. X11 gives me screen tearing (and
xserver crashes when enabling TearFree). Wayland is super laggy and
consumes 100% CPU when moving the cusor quickly (but no tearing).
1654[20:36:00] <sigint> Which problem should I try to tackle?
Tearing on X11 or laggy Wayland?
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1664[20:38:00] <ratrace> jken: if anyone here knows, they'll
pipe up. you can ask again in a while if nobody does. on irc
it's not uncommon to wait for days until you get an answer :)
1667[20:39:16] *** Quits: Souler (~Souler@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1668[20:39:21] <ratrace> sigint: "wayland is super
laggy" ... wayland is a protocol. which wayland compositor are
you using and is super laggy?
1669[20:39:33] <jken> Thanks ratrace!
1670[20:39:36] <enyc> Wonder where to find out about fixing
cryptsetup-initramfs
1671[20:39:47] <slowly_stuck> jken: from some googling, do you
have a /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend? and if so,
what's the content?
1672[20:39:57] <ratrace> enyc: just describe your problem
1673[20:40:15] <enyc> I have a mess where on debian/deriv, have
lost working initramfs cryptsetup enabled with the right prompting
for right uuid, to access encrypted rootfs.
1674[20:40:37] <ratrace> we don't do derivatives here
1675[20:42:04] <enyc> can mount the / and /boot and then -o rbind
mount /dev /proc /sys /run into the chroot of 2:2.1.0-5+deb10u2
debian-normal cryptsetup-initramfs and update-grub, but in this
chroot'ed-in state, it won't 'detect' what
crypttab file or so needs creating inside initramfs to make it mount
root, from what I can see.
1676[20:42:39] * enyc checks dd separating and un-cpio'ing a
different deb10 cryptroot initramfs ..... cehcking for cryptroot
file in there
1677[20:42:44] <sigint> ratrace, the default compositor that
GNOME/gdm3 use I guess. I'm not sure how to check that
1678[20:42:46] <ratrace> initramfs tools require the /dev/mapper
device to be exactly the SAME as the one listed in /etc/crypttab, on
debian
1679[20:43:07] <ratrace> sigint: gnome then, yeah. mutter. then
look up gnome bug tracker to see if anyone complained about the
same. I'd also try a newer kernel from backports, see if that
helps.
1682[20:43:53] <ratrace> sigint: that said.... super poor gnome
performance under wayland was a known but, I just can't
remember if it was fixed _before_ of after gnome version in buster.
I think it's _after_ but don't call me on the witness
stand for that :)
1707[20:53:32] <bryanpedini> Hello everyone! (happy new year if
you haven't been already told so :))
1708[20:53:32] <bryanpedini> So, Dolphin 18.08.0 question
(possibly bug), it doesn't move the favorite it should move,
but the one before (replaced-url
1746[21:30:22] <jhutchins> diogenes_: It was a really solid
system through 3.5, but when they re-wrote everything for 4.0 they
made it way too bloated and complex and broke lots of things. There
were at least three different databases trying to "index"
everything.
1761[21:39:23] <prg3> Plasma is really sweet nowadays and if you
like the old "shadow of the might it used to be" you can
use trinity which is still maintained too
1765[21:41:11] <shtrb> prg3, it depends on what version you got
:P
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1767[21:41:28] <prg3> Not sure what you are referencing about
databases. Baloo indexes file metadata in a database - which
probably makes sense. You can disable it if you want. Adokandai was
dumb, yes, but plasma has moved away from it and i don't even
think you need to have it installed anymore
1768[21:41:50] <prg3> true
1769[21:43:13] <ratrace> you forgot nepomuk
1770[21:43:15] <shtrb> jhutchins, I'm using plasma , and
while 3.5 was perhaps the best UI/UX I had seen (with plasma) the
recent versions in Debian are not that bad. it has some hickups
(like breaking the notification system , and modifying configs like
wtf people )
1771[21:43:17] <ratrace> the bane of performance under kde
1772[21:43:38] <jhutchins> One of the best things in 3.5 (which
cleaned up a lot of bugs and bloat) was the integrated address book.
Same address book for word processor and email and ponebook.
1773[21:43:38] <shtrb> ratrace, please leave this channel family
friendly and do not use vile words
1774[21:43:45] <ratrace> mwahahahaha
1775[21:43:59] <shtrb> jhutchins, kaddressbook still exist (but
now it is bundeled with akonadi)
1776[21:44:00] <jhutchins> Then 4 added 3000 blank lines to the
databases, and it wouldn't even load any more.
1778[21:44:24] <shtrb> And you can use kaddresbook with just a
file locally
1779[21:44:38] <jhutchins> That's something I like about
Debian and xfce, I don't have to upgrade my hardware like you
do with Apple. I can get years out of a functional system.
1780[21:44:42] <prg3> Oooh - reading into it now; that sounds
awful
1781[21:44:46] <prg3> (nepomuk)
1782[21:45:53] * shtrb still remember when baloo used to index network
drives by default and your home dir :D
1784[21:46:12] <prg3> To answer my earlier question, it looks
like there are decent waterfox builds for debian here
replaced-url
1785[21:46:53] <jhutchins> Yeah, that was one of the problems,
trying to index the main storage array from an under-powered client
workstation, in real time, while I was trying to work.
1787[21:47:14] <shtrb> At least Alex fixed that really fas
1788[21:47:16] <shtrb> *fast
1789[21:47:23] <prg3> Yeah baloo can be ... questionable to say
the least heh
1790[21:47:32] <zutat> does gnome3 support umask yet?
1791[21:48:33] <bryanpedini> if there is one single thing that
Windows does right (except being idiot AF and impossible to repair
while easier to reinstall), is "office hours" activity...
besides Windows Updates which does the hell it wants regardless,
other things run only when the system is inactive
1796[21:49:47] <ratrace> windows update does that because users
are morons who still, today, use windows7
1797[21:49:49] <shtrb> bryanpedini, I hope I had not offended you
, but there is a slew of issues of Windows services that make your
life hard as user
1798[21:50:16] <shtrb> It is so bad , that I disconnect it from
the network to be able to work with it
1799[21:50:26] <bryanpedini> ye, basically everything else on
that operating system (starting from the minecraft-look of the start
menu icons and tiles and ending with the automatic reboot while
*you're fricking working*) is a fricking total garbage! but at
least they got "office hours" :)
1800[21:50:49] <bryanpedini> so... there's that :)
1802[21:51:26] <wiscii> yep, they extorted your working hours
data out of you ..
1803[21:52:08] <zutat> shtrb: you forgot about textual ads in the
terminal
1804[21:52:15] <bryanpedini> ratrace: of course users still use
Windows 7... I'm about to install an SSD on my father's
9yo laptop, which Windows version do ya think I'm gonna
install? that bloatware adware malware spy crap called 10? I'm
not a moron, I'm privacy concerned...
1805[21:52:23] <shtrb> Oh and don't let me started about the
AI #%@#% they do for payed hosted e-mails
1806[21:52:29] <shtrb> zutat, I don't get it (yet)
1807[21:52:54] <zutat> shtrb: it appears on powershell
1808[21:52:55] <shtrb> bryanpedini, install debian :P and rip all
cloud services
1809[21:53:05] <shtrb> zutat, I guess I'm lucky as I
don't get it (yet)
1810[21:53:08] <ratrace> bryanpedini: well good luck with
soon-to-become windows7 bloatware malware fest crap as it gets
infected becasue there's no longer security patches for it
1812[21:53:30] <bryanpedini> shtrb: if it was that easy to
convert "normies" to Linux, I would live in a better world
already
1813[21:53:35] <robobox> yeah, we *are* in the debian channel
1814[21:53:39] <shtrb> ratrace, you can alaways route windows
traffic via a Debian VM :P
1815[21:53:40] <robobox> it is, actaully
1816[21:53:48] <ratrace> shtrb: as if that would help :)
1817[21:54:18] <shtrb> ratrace, ufw + proper rules would save
your gluteus maximus most of the time
1818[21:54:20] <bryanpedini> ratrace: true what shtrb said about
routing, but anyway I feel safer on a EOL Windows 7 under a serious
Linux router/firewall unit, rather than having Windows 10 at all :)
1819[21:54:32] <robobox> especially if they were in an office in
the 80s or 90s
1820[21:54:54] <robobox> normal people had to use unix then, so
they should be able to use it
1821[21:55:06] <bryanpedini> even "naked" iptables is
better than W10 integrated firewall + Win Defender together...
1822[21:55:07] <ratrace> shtrb: you're talking only bout a
subset of vectors, via open ports. majority of infections come
through trojans and bugs in, say, chrome
1823[21:55:08] <robobox> of course... there is the new generation
that grew up on NT
1824[21:55:11] <shtrb> bryanpedini, people don't know Debian
the same way they don't know Windows (IT) , give them the
basics and they will find themselvs in a nice life
1825[21:55:26] <shtrb> I had a ~90 year old person using debian +
plasma without too many problems few years ago
1826[21:56:03] <bryanpedini> shtrb: absolutely true, tho normies
are lazy guys on their couches watching TV and don't want to
even worry about learning what they already know
1827[21:56:29] <shtrb> Here's the point , many people
don't know windows either
1828[21:56:31] <robobox> that may be true for youngsters
1829[21:56:38] <bryanpedini> my grandpa hated when I converted
his still-working (1yo) WinXP to 7, let alone if I shown him 10, *or
Deb!!*
1830[21:56:39] <shtrb> feces , I work with debian and I
don't know it either
1831[21:56:40] <robobox> but not for older peeps
1832[21:57:03] <wsky> using and bootstraping are two different
things
1833[21:57:08] <shtrb> If not ratrace I would be still getting
apparmor messages
1840[21:58:15] <bryanpedini> let me try this: I'll put
Debian + Mate and I'm gonna change start menu icon and
background to WinXP, then pretend it was WinXP like nothing has ever
happened :) :) :)
1867[22:01:14] <wsky> so they were forced to take that down
1868[22:01:21] <bryanpedini> wsky: didn't they argue they
created themselves just "taking inspiration" from Win? :P
1869[22:01:38] <wsky> no, they were literarly icons taken out
from xp
1870[22:01:44] <bryanpedini> upsie...
1871[22:02:05] <wsky> with that it was possible to make you linux
to look very alike xp
1872[22:02:10] <jelly> bryanpedini, new edge is just chromium
with a different sync backend and default search engine, not much
porting to do
1873[22:02:11] <wsky> your linux*
1874[22:02:13] <bryanpedini> better have added that one pixel
with a slight color change so MD5 would vary and YT algorithm
wouldn't have picked it up...
1876[22:03:38] * jhutchins checks the /topic. Yup, Debian support, not
Windows politics.
1877[22:03:38] <bryanpedini> jelly: and that's why I
understand even less the needing of a Microsoft-branded browser if
it's just Chromium with MS logo and different search engine on
top, why would I want to constantly be reminded what stupid company
created the OS I'm running when browsing the web, and most
importantly search over Bing? (seriously?)
1897[22:09:15] * shtrb think ratrace was just testing all of us
1898[22:10:51] <ratrace> shtrb: looks like "linux" it
is. nope, I wasn't testing. I'm really dumbfounded how
complex and unintuitive this crap is. And then they want us to
contribute. HAHAHAHA.
1900[22:11:28] <jelly> bryanpedini, don't ignore the sync
backend, using a single account for all tools bundled with the OS is
convenient
1901[22:11:59] <bryanpedini> ratrace: well, actually it is
simple, just download from kernel.org and contribute (than it's
a matter of the complexity that there is behind which damn git
system/server do they use, but that's another story)
1902[22:12:17] <shtrb> git is easier than quilt
1903[22:12:18] <ratrace> the bug I'm trying to fix is
specific to debian patching
1908[22:13:44] <ratrace> I don't need the upstream kernel,
and I know how to build them, been a gentoo user longer than debian.
I needed specifically the kernel source package for debian, but
here's a multitude of them and tryig what you ordinarily would
with apt-get source <regular package name> did not work
1909[22:13:45] <sney> ratrace: maybe there are some clues here
and in the repo generally,
replaced-url
1910[22:13:51] <bryanpedini> shtrb: never heard of quilt, anyway
I was refering about the complexity behind setup and usage of
GitHub/GitLab/Google Code server/etc etc
1911[22:14:24] <ratrace> sney: what's worse, even this is
wrong:
replaced-url
1912[22:14:45] <ratrace> but nvm... shtrb was on it,
"linux" is the source package name
1989[23:23:36] <wisbit> good evening guys, I have created a
service containing a /usr/bin/java -jar /home/user/App/app.jar
--headless </dev/null &>/home/user/App/app.log
1990[23:23:51] <wisbit> the problem is that it doesn't send
the output in that log file
1991[23:24:20] <wisbit> while, starting that command manually
works well and the app.log is correctly used
1992[23:24:24] <ratrace> wisbit: that's on the Exec line of
the .service unit?
1993[23:24:56] <wisbit> ratrace, that's correct
1994[23:24:59] <ratrace> yeah, no. the Exec= line is not a
shell.... < > & redirection doesn't work there.
1995[23:25:06] <greycat> 1) you can't use shell redirections
in Exec= at all; 2) &> is not a standard shell redirection;
it's bash crap.
1996[23:25:27] <wisbit> fair enough, it is indeed used in bash
1997[23:25:33] <greycat> 3) systemd units can't log to a
human-readable file at all.
1998[23:25:43] <rk4> :(
1999[23:25:48] <ratrace> actually they can
2000[23:26:04] <greycat> if they can, they sure went out of their
way to hide that
2001[23:26:44] <ratrace> StandardOutput= and StandardError=
directives, see systemd.exec(5)
2025[23:34:18] <ratrace> I'm gonna hazard a guess and say:
no.
2026[23:34:47] <ddsys> it was enabled by default
2027[23:35:07] <ddsys> xfce
2028[23:35:10] <greycat> the obvious answer is "disable it
and see if anything breaks"
2029[23:35:21] <ddsys> right
2030[23:36:08] <BCMM> ddsys: you've probably installed a
desktop task that includes accessibility tools
2031[23:36:23] <ddsys> hmm
2032[23:36:51] <BCMM> removing it may remove your desktop task,
so be careful with autoremove afterwards
2033[23:36:53] <n4dir> pacpl, a perl tool to convert audio files
from one format to another, perl complaints but syntax warnings
(errors in the future, if i understand correct). Anyone uses it and
has a workaround?
replaced-url
2034[23:37:01] <n4dir> same for pastebinit and python, btw
2035[23:37:28] <n4dir> "just ignore" is the answer i am
looking for
2036[23:37:37] <ddsys> BCMM: thanks
2037[23:37:41] <greycat> has a bug already been filed for those
warnings?
2038[23:38:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1198
2039[23:38:02] <n4dir> greycat: damnit. let me check. I wanted
to, then got confused. sorry
2046[23:40:04] <greycat> Mon Jan 4 17:39:58 EST 2021
2047[23:40:04] <greycat> Mon 04 Jan 2021 05:39:58 PM EST
2048[23:40:16] <Elodin> i want the portuguese_brazilian format
2049[23:40:25] <greycat> OK, then set it however you like ;-)
2050[23:40:27] <Elodin> where i see this stuff?
2051[23:40:32] <greycat> !locales
2052[23:40:32] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to
get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and
also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment
variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the
output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised
errors>. See also <mac locales>.
replaced-url
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2080[23:52:53] <incal> hi, I just disabled every single systemd
service, except getty@.service, without it Emacs wouldn't start
in tty1 for some reason, but strangely, the other ttys with tmux
were fine. the number of processes seems largely unaffected,
internet is up as you can see. computer seems faster in general tho.
I wonder what the implications are?