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2 [00:01:53] <mutante> gothca ljkimz, makes sense. But since I
don't know the answer to that i'll wait for others.
3 [00:06:37] <mrkramps> ljkimz, if i get this right you
optionally run libnss-ldap with nscd … and libnss-ldapD with
nslcd
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5 [00:07:25] <ljkimz> mrkramps -- OK, I did see one or two
websites that IMPLIED that but none say it clearly and explicitly
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7 [00:07:55] <mrkramps> those are two different ldap
implementations
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11 [00:10:05] <mrkramps> ljkimz, here's the best advice I
can offer: libnss-ldap homepage is down , libnssldapd last release
2019-10-06
12 [00:11:08] <mrkramps> more info at wiki:
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13 [00:12:41] <abrotman> nscd and nslcd are different IIRC. nscd
is for DNS, nslcd is for LDAP?
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15 [00:14:05] <ljkimz> nslcd is definitely for LDAP. However,
nscd caches all sorts of nameservice data including users and groups
learned from LDAP. I have libnss-ldap+nscd working fine.
16 [00:14:19] <ljkimz> Just curious if nslcd would give me
something different or better
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18 [00:14:58] <abrotman> ljkimz: I use systems that use both, if
that matters
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22 [00:16:45] <freem> If i'm not wrong, nslcd is _required_
by one of the ldap implementations
23 [00:17:03] <freem> it's what does the work, actually,
instead of letting the nss/pam modules doing it
24 [00:17:16] <mrkramps> freem, yes by libnss-ldapd
25 [00:17:43] <mrkramps> it's part of the project
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26 [00:18:10] <freem> what I mean is, that pam+ldap
implementation requires it. Unlike another one that I've seen
in debian's repos
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28 [00:18:38] <ljkimz> Ok, well that's probably the answer
then. libnss-ldap+nscd, libnss-ldapd+nslcd. From what I gather
libnss-ldapd is more feature-rich
29 [00:18:42] <ljkimz> @freem
30 [00:19:07] <ljkimz> that's not quite correct. I'm
running just fine without nslcd
31 [00:19:32] <ljkimz> pam and nss both get data from ldap just
fine
32 [00:19:49] <freem> ljkimz: do you use libpam-ldap, or
libpam-ldapd?
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39 [00:23:26] <lithiumpt> hello, anyone familiar with
debian's cloud images? what's the difference between
genericcloud and nocloud? looking for a image to deploy on a esxi
host
40 [00:24:11] <ljkimz> @freem, the non-D version
41 [00:24:19] <freem> this is your answer then.
42 [00:24:34] <freem> the non-d version does all the work in a
libpam's plugin
43 [00:24:43] <mrkramps> ljkimz, just from package information,
nslcd is only for libnss-ldapd while nscd is more general for LDAP,
NIS or NIS+
44 [00:24:52] <freem> the other one delegates hte work to a
daemon. Its a way cleaner paradigm imo
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47 [00:27:21] <mrkramps> s/general/universal/
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54 [00:33:35] <ljkimz> I agree. Thanks, folks
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56 [00:34:43] <mrkramps> you're welcome, good luck
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59 [00:36:31] <greenbagels> Has anyone else had issues with
e1000e not working on Intel B460 motherboards?
60 [00:36:59] <greenbagels> For some reason neither the Buster
nor Bullseye Alpha 3 install media detects my ethernet card
61 [00:37:12] <mrkramps> greenbagels, nonfree firmware required?
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63 [00:37:43] <greenbagels> For an intel network card?
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65 [00:38:09] <greenbagels> It's an i219-V if it helps
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68 [00:39:21] <greenbagels> I'm trying Xubuntu 20.10 right
now to see if it's any different
69 [00:39:53] <greenbagels> Basically I'm thinking either
the motherboard is FUBAR or the chipset is somehow not supported by
the mainline kernels that are being shipped
70 [00:40:30] <greenbagels> I might use a usb network adapter to
go from buster minimal -> bullseye -> sid and see if the
kernel change helps
71 [00:40:33] <mutante> greenbagels: try searching like this:
"Linux on Intel B460" and unfortunately that looks not so
great
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73 [00:40:49] <mutante> "Ubuntu 18 and 20 do not support
motherboards using Intel B460 chips" etc...
74 [00:40:49] <greenbagels> mutante: yeah I've not found
many results
75 [00:40:51] <mutante> hardware is too new
76 [00:40:58] <greenbagels> I figured as much
77 [00:41:14] <mutante> greenbagels: seems to work on duckduckgo
78 [00:41:35] <greenbagels> Might have to bite the bullet and
pick a bleeding edge distro; I'm mostly wondering if the
upstream kernel supports it
79 [00:42:13] <greenbagels> The install works fine except for
the network adapter
80 [00:42:18] <mutante> or pick the hardware after the distro
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83 [00:42:23] <greenbagels> True...
84 [00:43:49] <mrkramps> greenbagels, i'd say the e100e
firmware currently does not support I219-V
85 [00:43:58] <mrkramps> see
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86 [00:44:00] <greenbagels> mrkramps: e1000e you mean?
87 [00:44:13] <mrkramps> yes, of course
88 [00:46:43] <greenbagels> Hmm okay, I will look into this
89 [00:46:47] <greenbagels> Thanks for the help mrkramps
90 [00:46:53] <mrkramps> you're welcome
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92 [00:48:58] <greenbagels> Anything to avoid having to go back
to arch... :)
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100 [00:56:14] <mrkramps> greenbagels, kernel 5.10 should
probably work … just a matter of time in testing
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130 [01:22:32] <greenbagels> mrkramps: I'll wait patiently
for the backport release then :) thanks again
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206 [02:52:27] <Casper26> e
207 [02:52:38] * killforge watches this
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237 [03:11:55] <monkwitdafunk> hello killforge, risc-V type CPU
architecture is what samsung galaxy devices use?
238 [03:12:22] <monkwitdafunk> i have a samsung galaxy s1
239 [03:14:06] <sney> monkwitdafunk: android phones are typically
(maybe exclusively) ARM cpus. for instance the entire qualcomm
snapdragon family is ARM
240 [03:14:57] <sney> there is new RISC-V stuff that might
replace ARM in the future, but it's all speculation at this
time
241 [03:15:13] <monkwitdafunk> im waiting for my samsung galaxy
tab s2 and samsung keyboard to not be compatable withmy medical
device and anti-malware
242 [03:15:54] <monkwitdafunk> sorry, i got confused by thinking
ARM was a type of risc5
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244 [03:16:46] <monkwitdafunk> sney: how do you work the irc bot
here in debian channel?
245 [03:17:28] <sney>
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247 [03:20:11] <killforge> yeah seagate has started using a
stripped down risc-v core for their memory controllers
248 [03:20:29] <killforge> nothing wrong with galaxy series
249 [03:20:32] <killforge> monk
250 [03:20:35] <monkwitdafunk> sney: ive used ubuntu and knoppix
but have never gone far enough to create a run from ram debian live
for burning my own self drafted medical records, and pdf/cvs formats
from the medical devices i use which have cloud platforms
251 [03:21:05] <killforge> that is kind of cool
252 [03:22:03] <killforge> um monk, to answer your question
253 [03:22:13] <killforge> sorry I was reading up ways
254 [03:22:16] <monkwitdafunk> yeah, i have to figure out how i
will want to run multisession burns running cdw-0.8.1, using
verbatim m disc dvdr
255 [03:22:17] <greenbagels> Quick question: I'm following
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256 [03:22:42] <greenbagels> if i use $ git clone -b master
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257 [03:22:47] <sney> monkwitdafunk: medical records, and
particularly *portable* medical records that can make patient data
available in multiple jurisdictions cleanly and securely, is a
problem that really needs the free software approach
258 [03:23:04] <greenbagels> how do i get the respective linux
source using apt?
259 [03:23:27] <greenbagels> or should i just replace master with
something like experimental instead just to be slightly more sane
260 [03:24:07] <monkwitdafunk> i deal with an endocrinolgist
using phone fax and email based on the ldiabetes literature
recommendations. i also see psychiatry which uses phone and in the
future will be telepsychiatry
261 [03:24:31] <killforge> arm is cisc, the main difference
between arm v8 64bit and RV64-G (risc-v with the compressed
instruction set) is that arm v8 does conditional executes
262 [03:25:16] <killforge> the risc-v founders argue that
conditional executes in the pipe creates wasted instructions
263 [03:25:19] <sney> greenbagels: sid is usually the go-to for a
standard buildable debian kernel. I'd stick with that unless
you need the version in 5.10. and the apt way would simply be
'apt source linux' unless that's changed
264 [03:25:41] <monkwitdafunk> it is unfortunate that samsung
user manuals dont tell you what kind of CPU the model # has eh
265 [03:26:01] <sney> I use gsmarena when I need to look up my
phone's specs
266 [03:26:20] <killforge> hope I made that make sense without
sounding like regurgitating text
267 [03:26:45] <greenbagels> sney: I unfortunately want to try
out 5.10, so maybe i'll just download an experimental tarball
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269 [03:26:50] <sney> killforge: I think that's always been
the argument of risc vs cisc, and it doesn't seem to have much
practical impact
270 [03:27:01] <killforge> um I can tell you if you want, I
wonder myself
271 [03:27:16] <sney> though maybe that's just allocation of
research funding
272 [03:27:42] <killforge> it does with c benchmarking
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274 [03:27:51] <killforge> about 3.8/3 faster
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277 [03:28:02] <killforge> than x86
278 [03:28:05] <killforge> less with arm
279 [03:28:23] <killforge> forget what extensions they were using
to get those numbers
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281 [03:28:25] <sney> benchmarking is still essentially
theoretical differences. practical is when you are using a computer
for, um, practical tasks
282 [03:29:45] <killforge> I'm still trying to digest the
tomb of a manual of risc-v so I can I explain what instructions they
optimizing in the equiv x86
283 [03:29:52] <sponix> benchmarks are mainly for marketing
purposes
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286 [03:30:00] <killforge> s/of risc-v/for risc-v/
287 [03:30:07] <killforge> no bot
288 [03:30:14] <killforge> you guys need a bot
289 [03:30:21] <sney> irc doesn't have editing of previous
lines
290 [03:30:37] <sponix> lol
291 [03:30:38] <sney> we have at least 2 bots in here at a given
time, but that's not a function you can expect
292 [03:30:47] <killforge> obviously I wasn't expect that to
happen
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294 [03:30:52] <killforge> how cooked to do think I am
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296 [03:31:01] <greenbagels> sney: oh... the packaging repository
doesnt have an experimental branch
297 [03:31:08] <sponix> Good OLD irc
298 [03:31:10] <greenbagels> nouhhhhh
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301 [03:31:20] <monkwitdafunk> how much are risc-v systems? are
they portable, energy efficient, and have less enviromental waste?
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305 [03:31:58] <killforge> well you can get linux certified 64bit
cores optimised for performance or area on the chip
306 [03:31:58] <sney> afaik, risc-v systems are not yet mass
produced, though I saw an arse technica article where they had one
with the approximate footprint of a raspberry pi
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308 [03:32:27] <monkwitdafunk> if i were to live in a shelter 1/3
the time, and live outside 2/3 the time, id need a computer to
connect me to resources, and one i can strap on my body
309 [03:32:36] <killforge> area optimised more for mobile but
honestly if you wanted to, given enough time; find a happy medium
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313 [03:34:26] <killforge> actually you get get a functioning
implementation of the linux 64bit cores that will let you modularly
hook up a pcie socket
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315 [03:34:52] <killforge> looks odd breaking a cpu in boards
slotting into each other
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317 [03:35:03] <killforge> o.o
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319 [03:35:38] <killforge> this isa scales for everyting
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322 [03:38:17] <killforge> tbf risc-v is always at least 2
isa's: user and supervisor and then there is machine mode which
can be used in either set, I think equates to root
323 [03:38:50] <killforge> oh monkwitdafunk,
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324 [03:39:23] <killforge> doesn't even say what the cpu is
325 [03:39:27] <killforge> that is odd
326 [03:40:27] <killforge> found it
327 [03:40:45] <killforge> The Samsung Galaxy S used the Samsung
S5PC110 processor.[23] This processor combined a 45 nm 1 GHz ARM
Cortex-A8 based CPU core with a PowerVR GPU
328 [03:40:55] <killforge>
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329 [03:41:31] <monkwitdafunk> i had the best 4 foot drop tested
case for that phone. otter
330 [03:41:47] <monkwitdafunk> when i first got it, everyone
asked me about it
331 [03:42:27] <monkwitdafunk> i got excited because the security
software from norton and mcafee came out, and in less then 3 weeks,
i bought it
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333 [03:43:19] <killforge> I actually trust my phone my more
windows everything except gboard
334 [03:43:20] <monkwitdafunk> its competitor was the google
phone, then there was a phone with a huge advertisement in the free
paper for a smartphone you can hook up to a tv and keyboard
335 [03:43:31] <killforge> more than*
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337 [03:43:45] <monkwitdafunk> what is gboard?
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339 [03:44:16] <killforge> the app that android defaultly uses
for the onscreen keyboard
340 [03:44:38] <killforge> avoid that by using an actual keyboard
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342 [03:46:02] <monkwitdafunk> im pretty sure the free software
foundation has open source initiative, versions of mircrosoft
exchange, and blackberry uem right? the best boss i ever had in my
life said he cant go anywhere unless he has it
343 [03:46:15] <monkwitdafunk> or mention of
344 [03:47:10] <killforge> never used microsoft exchange
345 [03:47:13] <killforge> I think
346 [03:47:45] <monkwitdafunk> his name was: S.B. <--- he said
he loved the qwerty and push notifications
347 [03:48:13] <monkwitdafunk> i have qwerty but its heavy. my
next boss that worked at my old office wanted to buy my tablet
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349 [03:48:41] <monkwitdafunk> the qwerty function is so
important for the temporary employment contractor i used to work for
350 [03:48:47] <monkwitdafunk> and push notifications
351 [03:49:41] <killforge> yeah these days, not a huge deal
breaker having the most minimal of button setups
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354 [03:51:07] <monkwitdafunk> so you use gboard?
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360 [03:56:58] <monkwitdafunk> dpkg is so nice @ looking over my
shoulder.
361 [03:56:58] <dpkg> monkwitdafunk: are you using Windows?
362 [03:57:07] <monkwitdafunk> no
363 [03:57:33] <monkwitdafunk> i will check out the debian live
project and debian arm
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445 [06:42:20] <Souler> Welcome everyone. I have a question. Does
anyone else crash Cinnamon after the recent updates?
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659 [11:12:41] <otisolsen70> I have a Logitech Performance MX
mouse. This works fine with the three normal buttons and scroll
wheel. However, I would like to configure the remaining buttons as
well. Is there a tool for debian that will allow me to configure my
logitech mouse? (lomoco does not seem to work for this mouse)
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661 [11:15:06] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 the first thing that
came up is solaar
662 [11:15:11] <quadrathoch2> but idk if that works
663 [11:15:27] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, solaar works fine but
does not have options to configure mouse buttons. This seems to be
only for the reciever
664 [11:15:42] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, so I can pair/unpair
devices, etc. But not configure various buttons
665 [11:15:45] <quadrathoch2> ahh :)
666 [11:16:16] <quadrathoch2> ,v piper
667 [11:16:17] <judd> Package: piper on amd64 --
buster-backports: 0.4-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.5.1-1; sid: 0.5.1-1
668 [11:16:29] <quadrathoch2> did you test this one ;)
669 [11:16:48] <otisolsen70> No. It is not available on my
system.
670 [11:17:39] <quadrathoch2> did you activate the backports
repo?
671 [11:17:45] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 ^
672 [11:17:51] <otisolsen70> I guess I will have to add
backports. How to do this for only a single package?
673 [11:18:48] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 backports is so
integrated that it will only pull in the packages you want (you
would need to specify those with apt install -t buster-backports
<package>)
674 [11:19:19] <quadrathoch2> so the repo is "deb
replaced-url
675 [11:19:43] <otisolsen70> OK. Do I just change "deb
replaced-url
676 [11:19:57] <otisolsen70> Oh. So I just add this line?
677 [11:19:58] <Haohmaru> !sources.list
678 [11:19:58] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
679 [11:20:07] <quadrathoch2> extra line, because you still want
to have the normal packages :) otisolsen70
680 [11:20:25] <Haohmaru> bluh, that doesn't have backports
example
681 [11:20:55] <quadrathoch2> i guess it's
682 [11:20:57] <quadrathoch2> !backports
683 [11:20:58] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
684 [11:21:04] <quadrathoch2> hm
685 [11:21:35] <Haohmaru> it is, but there was a page on the wiki
with examples of sources.list with and without backports and stuff
686 [11:23:16] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, just installed piper
from backports. It starts fine but cannot find any devices.
687 [11:23:34] <quadrathoch2> ,v libratbag
688 [11:23:35] <judd> No package named 'libratbag' was
found in amd64.
689 [11:24:23] <quadrathoch2> okay that's bad :/
690 [11:25:28] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 did it install
ratbag-tools (or ratbagd)
691 [11:26:22] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, just installed that.
Still cannot find anything. So do I need to reboot or sometihng?
692 [11:26:27] <quadrathoch2> ahh ratbag doesn't support
your device :/
693 [11:27:20] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, do I need to be member
of some specific group maybe?
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695 [11:27:31] <quadrathoch2> not that I know of otisolsen70
696 [11:27:35] <otisolsen70> Or do I need to install some other
library for my mouse? It is a fairly common gamer momuse.
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701 [11:29:25] <otisolsen70> THis is the one:
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718 [11:51:20] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 sorry no idea where to
go from here :/
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721 [11:52:57] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, found this. Maybe this
will work:
replaced-url
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744 [12:14:25] <jmd> Great news! gettext-0.2x has finally arrived
in unstable!
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762 [12:31:24] <hramrach> hello
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764 [12:32:00] <hramrach> if I install the grub-pc package is
grub installed somewhere on the system or do I have to do it by
hand?
765 [12:33:37] <BCMM> hramrach: i think you'll actually have
to configure it before you install it to your MBR
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767 [12:33:48] <BCMM> (for one thing, it needs to know which disk
it is supposed to be installed on)
768 [12:34:20] <BCMM> by the way, are you sure you want grub-pc
rather than grub-efi?
769 [12:35:54] <hramrach> BCMM: yes, I want grub-pc rather than
grub-efi. And I cannot find the configuration for where it installs
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771 [12:37:05] <BCMM> actually i think you just decide where it
goes when you invoke grub-install
772 [12:37:12] <hramrach> the installer botched the installetion,
I instaled it by hand after but if it is configured to install
somewhere where the BIOS does not find it and the grub module ABI
changes the system becomes unbootable on upgrade
773 [12:37:30] <BCMM> e.g. grub-install /dev/sda
774 [12:38:09] <hramrach> yes, I can run that. Does the package
do the package do that, though?
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776 [12:46:46] <BCMM> hramrach: i can't remember exactly how
it works, but it appears that postinst can call grub-install
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779 [12:48:02] <BCMM> the logic to decide whether to do it seems
complicated though
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788 [12:56:25] <sgo11> hi, I am compiling some other
people's tool. It reports error msg: "hidapi.h: No such
file or directory". But I have installed libhidapi-dev package
and the file is at /usr/include/hidapi/hidapi.h. What can I do now?
I am not a c/c++ programmer. Thanks.
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800 [13:04:07] <hramrach> BCMM: so I should assume it will break
801 [13:04:33] <BCMM> hramrach: that what will break? updating?
802 [13:04:46] <BCMM> sgo11: what's the tool? is it public?
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809 [13:07:41] <BCMM> i wonder if they're doing #include
<hidapi/hidapi.h> or #include <hidapi.h>...
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815 [13:10:20] <hramrach> BCMM: that some day the grub package
will get updates, it will install itself someplace wrong, update the
modules, and the current grub will no longer be able to load the
modules
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825 [13:21:08] <tyzef> hi ! is there any way with "cp"
command shell to observ the process during the pasting ?
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829 [13:24:50] <rk4> cp has a -v, but i don't 100%
understand the question
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833 [13:27:09] <tyzef> rk4, i have found that : rsync -avz
--progress /folder/source/ /folder/destination/
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836 [13:30:56] <oxek> how can I get this tool in debian? It
should be part of curl package but isn't.
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837 [13:31:47] <Ede|Popede> tyzef: maybe you can use pv
838 [13:31:48] <tarzeau> oxek: maybe with apt-get source curl,
and check in there and just build it?
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840 [13:33:41] <tarzeau> oxek: ./lib/mk-ca-bundle.pl
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846 [13:39:42] <oxek> I see, that might work, trying now, thanks
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855 [13:44:13] <__marco> Hello. I maintain a deb repository for
different distributions. Last time one specific package was missing
for several dists. I wonder if there is a tool I can use to
programmatically inspect the repository
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858 [13:45:50] <Murgoth> Good morning, I'm using Debian
10.7, I installed zabbix but I can't get it to start
automatically.
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861 [13:46:23] <Murgoth> systemctl enable zabbix-server >
update-rc.d: error: zabbix-server Default-Start contains no
runlevels, aborting.
862 [13:47:04] <sgo11> BCMM: sorry about the late reply. yeah,
you are right, it uses #include <hidapi.h>. After changing it
to #include <hidapi/hidapi.h>, it works. Thank you very much.
863 [13:47:11] <BCMM> np
864 [13:48:48] <oxek> tarzeau: it all worked, thanks
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923 [15:03:20] <emacsen> How are Debian packages selected for
inclusion or non-inclusion?
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933 [15:13:29] <BCMM> emacsen: a significant element is that
somebody has to be prepared to actually do the work
934 [15:14:22] <BCMM> i.e. there are applications that are not in
Debian not because there's anything wrong with them, but just
because nobody has bothered to package them
935 [15:15:04] <emacsen> BCMM, Right, I meant more like...
imagine someone sponsors Alice, a new DD, and one day she wants to
upload a package that is just the contents of /dev/urandom >
/etc/myfile. What policy or what person decides to give that a pass?
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938 [15:15:37] <BCMM> oh that's an interesting question,
actually. i don't know.
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944 [15:16:12] <emacsen> BCMM, yeah I've been scouring the
docs and not found it either :)
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946 [15:16:47] <BCMM> i mean i wouldn't be entirely
surprised if that's just never come up
947 [15:17:08] <BCMM> i mean not that specific example obviously,
but in general the issue of people just uploading trivial/stupid
packages
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949 [15:17:49] <BCMM> (i have not read the debian policy manual)
950 [15:17:55] <emacsen> BCMM, I have to believe in the...
gosh... 25+ years of Debian it must have come up once or twice :)
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952 [15:19:00] <BCMM> how many people actually have unrestricted
upload rights to the archive?
953 [15:19:51] * emacsen shrugs :)
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958 [15:28:02] <bitdefect> I've just came across this:
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959 [15:28:19] <bitdefect> The video is about Hardening Debian
Buster. The slides are English, but the talk is in French.
960 [15:29:05] <bitdefect> He mentions there, that for Bullseye
binaries might be compiled with PIE enabled.
961 [15:29:24] <bitdefect> Does anyone know, if this is true?
962 [15:29:41] <bitdefect> It would actually great.
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965 [15:30:26] <bitdefect> Possibly he is just saying "It
would be nice, if they would do it" - he seems to be no
official Debian guy.
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974 [15:40:05] <dondelelcaro> bitdefect: PIE is the default on
most architectures that support it:
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975 [15:40:58] <dondelelcaro> there may be some binaries where
it's disabled for specific reasons, though
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981 [15:44:12] <bitdefect> dondelelcaro: Was that the case in
Buster already?
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1089 [17:37:25] <zodd> How can I give an ethernet interface an
additional name (allow for legacy and predictable name), so without
specifiying multiple IP-addresses for the same interface?
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1102 [17:39:49] <dvs> zodd: Create a udev rule with a SYMLINK
option?
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1111 [17:49:57] <zodd> dvs, sounds like a plan although I was
hoping for something to specify in /etc/networking.
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1113 [17:50:50] <zodd> On the same box I also can ping outside and
nslookup/dig properly but cannot user lynx or apt although iptables
is empty. Strange
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1145 [18:23:35] <Ede|Popede> i'm about to install buster on a
non-networked PC. i have already an older mini-buster there, must
have happened in GPT mode -- originally the PC came with Win10
preinstalled, that disk is not used now, i'm fine with booting
through the boodisk selection menu.
1146 [18:24:33] <dvs> Ede|Popede: What's your question,
rookie? ;-P
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1150 [18:25:32] <Ede|Popede> partition 1 on that disk is EFI, 3 is
that old buster. i'd like to keep it and install now to another
one. what would be the best choice for the boot device? would it
recognize the EFI part (which per grub.cfg) points to hd0,gpt3? used
to be my only GTP related install so far and i remember i changed a
few times the boot mode in the "bios"
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1152 [18:27:00] <dvs> I wonder if os-prober would detect a Debian
installation?
1153 [18:27:59] <petn-randall> Ede|Popede: If you boot via EFI,
the EFI system partition will be shared by all OSes on that disk.
1154 [18:28:19] <Ede|Popede> oh, so far i had to boot the system
from a live stick, seems something didn't work as expected
during installation. found out that "configfile $path" in
the grub promt is enough after i did create a complete menu entry a
few times before :)
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1156 [18:29:02] <Ede|Popede> will the installer modify the EFI
partition or does EFI just detect everything bootable by default?
1157 [18:29:50] <Ede|Popede> can't even remember how long ago
i had more than one system on one disk. never more than 2 and with 2
HDDs and selection at boot time it was all easy
1158 [18:30:37] <petn-randall> Ede|Popede: The installer will
write the bootable bits onto the ESP, and your UEFI will detect
which OSes it can boot from there.
1159 [18:31:46] <Ede|Popede> ah cool. sounds like separating code
from data
1160 [18:32:03] <Ede|Popede> anything that i should check? if no,
i'll reboot now
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1167 [18:34:45] <petn-randall> Ede|Popede: If grub-install ran
fine in the installer, you should be good to go.
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1172 [18:37:39] <Ede|Popede> hm, there's an entry for
partition 1. Protective MBR?
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1174 [18:38:13] <Ede|Popede> tried to get behind it when i bought
that PC, but docs can be weird
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1207 [19:02:10] <FightingFalcon> Should i upgrade to php 7.4?
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1210 [19:05:25] <sney> 7.4 seems to be the php version for
bullseye, so if you're going to upgrade to debian 11 in ~9
months, you won't have much of a choice
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1213 [19:06:13] <sney> aside from sury stuff etc
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1217 [19:07:11] <Ede|Popede> would it be adviceable to keep the
system in en_US and only have the user account localized? just to
avoid the additional translation layer and the need to change the
locale for pastes etc.
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1221 [19:08:19] <FightingFalcon> I updated php to 7.4 BUT it still
says your site uses an older version in wordpress health screen
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1230 [19:14:47] <sney> Ede|Popede: at that point you may as well
make the system locale C as opposed to any region-specific kind of
english. it's not a bad idea though
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1232 [19:15:31] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Really depends on
how you upgraded it. I'm guessing it's not being used.
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1235 [19:16:22] <Ede|Popede> sney: yep, decided to go with en_US
like i did the last time
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1239 [19:20:32] <sney> I wouldn't be surprised if wordpress
had extra paranoid warnings, and bullseye/sid has 7.4.11 while
php.net's current stable is 7.4.13
1240 [19:20:56] <sney> but the socket and/or apache configs are
versioned so just installing the 7.4 packages is not enough to make
your website use it.
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1242 [19:26:15] <FightingFalcon> ok fixed
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1246 [19:28:18] <FightingFalcon> How do i now deinstall all the
services start with php7.3?
1247 [19:28:27] <FightingFalcon> like apt-get remove php7.3* ?
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1256 [19:35:24] <Peyam> hi, what is gnome-keyring-daemon? what do
I even need it?
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1259 [19:38:18] <mutante> Peyam: hi, it's for saving secrets
like saved passwords or remembering the passphrase for a SSH key so
you don't have to retype them every single time you make an SSH
connection or login. it's for convenience, not needed but
without it it might be annoying having to retype all the time
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1261 [19:38:55] <mutante> compare to telling your browser to
remember passwords or never do
1262 [19:39:08] <Peyam> ah okey. Then I know
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1277 [19:49:18] <greenbagels> mrkramps: oh an update: it seems the
version of e1000e that supports my I219-V device dates from july
2019, so it's probably included in mainline distro packaging by
now
1278 [19:50:26] <greenbagels> the error that e1000e is giving says
"probe of <NIC PCI address> failed with error -2",
which corresponds to a macro E1000E_ERR_PHY in the driver source
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1280 [19:51:53] <greenbagels> I'm tempted just to try running
experimental on top of sid and seeing if things work better with a
more recent kernel anyway
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1282 [19:52:03] <greenbagels> just to rule out the possibility of
faulty hardware
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1289 [19:58:08] <Peyam> , xfce4
1290 [19:58:24] <Peyam> the bot didn't say anything
1291 [19:58:27] <Peyam> ,xfce4
1292 [19:58:48] <dvs> ,v xfce4
1293 [19:58:49] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1;
stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.14; sid: 4.14
1294 [19:58:58] <greenbagels> ok actually 4.19 seems to definitely
not support 8086:0d55
1295 [19:59:02] <Peyam> ah okey I missed a v
1296 [19:59:11] <Peyam> thank dvs
1297 [19:59:16] <dvs> np
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1308 [20:07:40] <Somelauw> Was there an apt-tool to quickly see if
a package has any known bugs? Something like apt-known-issues
redshift?
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1311 [20:08:29] <Somelauw> problem that this package launches
itself 100x times instead of once and causes the screen to flicker
1312 [20:08:34] <nkuttler> Somelauw: there's apt-listbugs
1313 [20:08:59] <nkuttler> Somelauw: it's now a glorious
systemd user service
1314 [20:09:01] <Somelauw> i don't have that command by
default
1315 [20:09:17] <Somelauw> systemd? What has that got to do with
apt!?
1316 [20:09:19] <sponix2ipfw> lol
1317 [20:09:43] <nkuttler> Somelauw: google "what is a
systemd user service"
1318 [20:10:00] <nkuttler> Somelauw: it referring to redshift btw
1319 [20:10:12] <Somelauw> ruby-debian ruby-domain-name
ruby-gettext ruby-http-cookie ruby-httpclient ruby-locale
ruby-soap4r ruby-sqlite3 ruby-text ruby-unf
1320 [20:10:14] <Somelauw> ruby-unf-ext ruby-unicode
ruby-xmlparser sqlite3
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1322 [20:11:10] <Somelauw> oh, redshift as a deamon service may
not be so bad, would it?
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1324 [20:11:36] <Somelauw> and I don't know any alternative
1325 [20:12:11] <Ede|Popede> do i really have to mark ALL
partitions i want to keep MANUALLY with "K"?
1326 [20:12:44] <Ede|Popede> EFI is K, Swap is F. the others...
nada. including all from the 2nd HDD.
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1328 [20:13:59] <Ede|Popede> (oh, context: installing buster to a
disk with an older small buster already installed on EFI and rest
data partitions, partially used)
1329 [20:14:28] <Somelauw> last version of redshift is from 2016,
so I don't know why it started behaving buggingly from today on
1330 [20:15:02] <Mister00X> Ede|Popede: Are you using the
graphical installer or the text one
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1332 [20:15:24] <Ede|Popede> Mister00X: restarted with the GUI
because screenshots
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1334 [20:16:32] <Mister00X> so if i remember correctly you can
choose which partitions to reformat and which not and which to
install to in the graphic install
1335 [20:17:08] <Ede|Popede> i'm just concerned about how the
installer handles partitions with none of K or f/F
1336 [20:17:57] <Mister00X> I can't say this with absolute
certainity but it should ignore them
1337 [20:19:02] <Ede|Popede> EFI is K to keep it, so i guess
"no K" means "don't keep" (autoformat?).
Swap is F (reformat), so it will be formatted i guess. the help text
suggests that "f" would be used for partitions which are
going to be formatted. so what does it mean if there's no mark
at all?
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1340 [20:20:06] <Ede|Popede> i think in the past i even removed
all but the system disk, but it's some time since i did it last
time.
1341 [20:20:23] <Mister00X> Ede|Popede: honestly idk, sorry
it's been some time since my last install.
1342 [20:20:42] <Ede|Popede> i've seen there are 2 installer
related channels on OFTS, one seems to be more about discussion, but
-installer sounds good in the wiki
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1346 [20:21:02] <Ede|Popede> thanks anyway, Mister00X :)
1347 [20:21:34] <Ede|Popede> it's a reason why the
screenshots btw. at least i'd remember next time what i did...
or later why something may have gone wrong.
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1366 [20:46:56] <Mister00X> Ede|Popede: apparently there is a help
button in the installer which should explain the flags
1367 [20:48:37] <Mister00X> This is a screenshot of the debian 9
installer
replaced-url
1368 [20:49:08] <Ede|Popede> Mister00X: i've read it, but the
situation that there's no mark isn't mentioned. only sth
like "you may want to format a partition where a fs has been
created", which is actually what i do *not* want. i'd
really prefer a "preservation first" approach here.
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1372 [20:50:52] <Ede|Popede> ah, second last entry. but it says
"are marked with K", which isn't the case. would mean
i must mark them manually if a want to keep them.
1373 [20:51:30] <Mister00X> Or you just don't mount them,
there should be such an option
1374 [20:51:56] <echoSMILE> Would be helpful if the links to
navigate between news at
replaced-url
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1391 [21:07:42] <T-zef> hi guys
1392 [21:08:00] <T-zef> is it a good time to install SiD?
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1394 [21:08:22] <greycat> !debian-next
1395 [21:08:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
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1397 [21:09:00] <T-zef> thanks greycat
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1399 [21:09:35] <T-zef> i must be invited to go on #debian-next ?
1400 [21:09:53] <greycat> "If you get ... it means you did
not read ..."
1401 [21:10:05] <T-zef> yeah hehe sorry
1402 [21:11:32] <T-zef> well am on it now !
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1404 [21:12:23] <echoSMILE> is LXQT light as the LXDE ?
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1406 [21:12:47] <quadrathoch2> echoSMILE that's what they at
least try
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1409 [21:14:36] <echoSMILE> quadrathoch2: hum ok
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1415 [21:17:47] <bostongeek36> hi ive downloaded debian into a
chroot using crouton and i am unable to download anything from the
net
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1417 [21:17:55] <bostongeek36> ive used multiple websbrowsers
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1419 [21:18:03] <bostongeek36> am i missing some package?
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1422 [21:18:34] <quadrathoch2> bostongeek36 what is crouton?
1423 [21:18:45] <sney> chromebook thing apparently
1424 [21:18:56] <bostongeek36> linux for chromebooks
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1426 [21:19:03] <bostongeek36> gives you a chroot
1427 [21:19:13] <mrkramps> bostongeek36, but you have internet
access?
1428 [21:19:19] <bostongeek36> yes
1429 [21:19:19] <sney> bet it's dns
1430 [21:19:29] <bostongeek36> im wondering if its missing some
kind of dependancy
1431 [21:20:03] <sney> even the most minimal debian system can
talk to the internet, as long as the network is configured
1432 [21:20:18] <bostongeek36> does debian require any kind of
package to be able to download from http? i have curl and wget i can
use curl but its just odd that i cant use a web broswer
1433 [21:20:28] <bostongeek36> i am able to get on the net
1434 [21:20:29] <zodd> what is wrong the following udev rule:
KERNEL=="enx*", SYSFS(address)=="<mac>",
SYMLINK=="eth0" (I want to have two names for same
interface)
1435 [21:20:32] <sney> can you e.g. ping debian.org from inside
the chroot?
1436 [21:20:36] <bostongeek36> and go to websites
1437 [21:20:46] <greycat> so curl *works*. then it's not the
network. it's the browser, clearly.
1438 [21:20:53] <bostongeek36> i am just unable to download any
kind of file
1439 [21:21:01] <bostongeek36> ive used multiple
1440 [21:21:11] <bostongeek36> chromim firefox esr and opera
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1442 [21:21:41] <BCMM> bostongeek36: what error do you get in
Firefox?
1443 [21:21:44] <bostongeek36> im wondering if the basic chroot
install is missing something? there are different
"packages" you can install
1444 [21:21:53] <bostongeek36> just says download failed
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1446 [21:22:19] <greycat> So you're saying that you can visit
PAGES.
1447 [21:22:29] <BCMM> bostongeek36: hang on, do you mean that
firefox works for viewing web pages, it just won't let you save
files?
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1449 [21:22:48] <greycat> Or did you literally run something like
'firefox
replaced-url
1450 [21:23:02] <bostongeek36> BCMM correst i can surf just not
download anything
1451 [21:23:15] <greycat> Do you have write privileges on
~/Download/ ?
1452 [21:23:17] <Ede|Popede> disk full?
1453 [21:23:17] <BCMM> bostongeek36: so you've tried a bunch
of different files, right?
1454 [21:23:30] <bostongeek36> so for example i can go to google
site to install chrome
1455 [21:23:41] <bostongeek36> but if i try it says download
failed
1456 [21:23:43] <bostongeek36> yes
1457 [21:24:11] <bostongeek36> maybe this is a question for the
crouton guys. they have a "interesting" relationship with
google
1458 [21:24:18] <Ede|Popede> could it be it tries to download to a
temporary directory and this one isn't usable?
1459 [21:24:31] <BCMM> bostongeek36: when you check "save
file" and press OK, does it prompt you for where to save it to,
or does it just get on with it?
1460 [21:24:48] <bostongeek36> originally it was a google
developer who did it
1461 [21:25:01] <bostongeek36> BCMM: it just tries and fails
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1464 [21:25:35] <bostongeek36> it may be trying to download
somewhere it doesn't have premission to but i would assume the
default is ~/downloads or whatever
1465 [21:25:40] <BCMM> bostongeek36: can you try right-clicking
something and doing "save as"?
1466 [21:25:50] <bostongeek36> let me check
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1473 [21:29:20] <bostongeek36> so doing save as just saves the
page
1474 [21:29:31] <bostongeek36> and it is downloading to my home
directory
1475 [21:29:47] <bostongeek36> i guess this is a crouton question
1476 [21:29:55] <bostongeek36> i must be missing some file or
something
1477 [21:30:14] <bostongeek36> google is always breaking crouton
1478 [21:30:23] <bostongeek36> maybe they did something
1479 [21:31:11] <bostongeek36> it used to be a google project but
they have crostini now which is debian in a container
1480 [21:31:30] <greycat> I cannot understand why you think
"program x runs and mostly works but can't save a file to
disk" is a symptom of "missing a file or package"
rather than a symptom of something like "permissions are
wrong" or "AppArmor is denying permissions" or
"file system is mounted read only".
1481 [21:32:02] <bostongeek36> greycat: i don't i just wanted
to see if something was missing like oh you need x
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1483 [21:32:23] <bostongeek36> clearly something is broken
1484 [21:32:27] <bostongeek36> what im not sure
1485 [21:32:35] <mrkramps> bostongeek36, so you can now save
something and download does not fail anymore?
1486 [21:32:43] <BCMM> bostongeek36: it really does sound like
your downloads directory is set to something weird
1487 [21:33:09] <bostongeek36> hmm
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1489 [21:33:24] <bostongeek36> should it be rw-r-r?
1490 [21:33:37] <greycat> for a DIRECTORY? no.
1491 [21:33:44] <BCMM> try setting firefox to "Always ask you
where to save files"
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1493 [21:33:59] <greycat> directories need +x permissions
1494 [21:34:31] <bostongeek36> ok thats the issue
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1497 [21:35:55] <bostongeek36> idk why i didn't check that
first i was stuck thinking it was a system error
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1505 [21:43:07] <alexrelis[m]> Should I trust the TPM chip on my
computer?
1506 [21:43:16] <alexrelis[m]> Does LUKS use TPM?
1507 [21:45:07] <sney> afaik it's only used by secure boot,
by default
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1510 [21:46:27] <alexrelis[m]> sney: I heard that in a Windows
environment, Bitlocker relies on TPM for the encryption. But idk
about Debian.
1511 [21:47:53] <bolt> alexrelis[m]: you can trust it as much as
the rest of your hardware. unless your perceived adversary is a
nation state of significant influence, it's unlikely to be an
attack vector. that's unless you're getting infected from
the usual sources and the attack exploits the chip, but then you
could just as well assume it'd exploit almost anything else.
1512 [21:48:00] <sney> luks doesn't have any specific
hardware requirements like that. I'm seeing some google results
that indicate it's possible, but certainly not used by default
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1532 [22:00:47] <mazet> is there a simple way to make a .iso
netinst file that starts an ssh server that you can run the
installer over, and can someone point me to docs for that?
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1535 [22:02:12] <bolt> mazet: a fully unattended install would be
a lot more common. are you sure that won't satisfy your needs?
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1537 [22:02:53] <mazet> possibly, if thats simpler. but i need to
set up luks on a remote host
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1539 [22:03:19] <mazet> i usually set it up with the hosting
providers autoinstaller and then boot into a rescue os in memory and
set up luks in a chroot
1540 [22:03:36] <mazet> but it has occurred to me that route could
be less hassle
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1542 [22:05:40] <mazet> i would rather not upload an iso with the
luks passphrase to the hosting provider but i can use a temporary
one and switch them around after
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1548 [22:14:59] <alexrelis[m]> mazet: This doesn't really
help you, but I remember OpenSUSE having this feature.
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1550 [22:16:19] <Sarcutus> Sorry to intrude, but I'm breaking
my head trying to install Debian. I'm -- I THINK -- using the
net installer, but it keeps asking for a CD-ROM which my laptop
doesn't have. It won't let me get past this hurdle. Anyone
know anything about this?
1551 [22:16:55] <Mister00X> does it ask for firmware on that
cd-rom?
1552 [22:17:23] <Sarcutus> Mister00X: Drivers.
1553 [22:17:23] <greycat> if you're installing on a laptop,
it's HIGHLY recommended that you use the installer images that
have non-free firmware on them
1554 [22:17:26] <greycat> !firmware images
1555 [22:17:26] <dpkg> There are <live> system and
<netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian
<firmware> packages available from
replaced-url
1556 [22:17:55] <Mister00X> ^^this
1557 [22:18:02] <Sarcutus> !!!
1558 [22:18:02] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
1559 [22:18:12] <Sarcutus> ?
1560 [22:18:57] <mazet> alexrelis[m]: its a really nice feature,
somewhat surprised its not more common
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1563 [22:20:20] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, which tool are you using to
flash iso image to usb storage?
1564 [22:20:31] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: dd
1565 [22:20:43] <mrkramps> hmkay, this definitely not your issue
then
1566 [22:21:11] <Sarcutus> Just noticed the "expert graphical
install" option ... maybe I'll have better luck here.
1567 [22:21:53] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: Yeah, dd is very flashy,
it's my go-to for flashing bootable media
1568 [22:22:20] <mazet> this hosting provider suppots installing
centos over vnc but not debian ... but i can upload a custom iso
1569 [22:22:23] <greycat> "expert graphical" is such an
oxymoron
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1572 [22:24:01] <Sarcutus> greycat: Lol ... you know not every
distro can install like Arch or Gentoo
1573 [22:25:25] <greycat> I'm just saying... the regular
Debian installer (which is not graphical) can also do
"expert" or "not expert"
1574 [22:26:52] <greycat> in any case, I don't think
switching to expert mode is going to help work around the missing
firmware issue
1575 [22:27:07] <gwolf23> I recall years ago I would only ise dd
to falsh iso images to USB. These days I just `cp image.iso
/dev/sdb` or like
1576 [22:27:17] <greycat> dd and cp are both fine
1577 [22:27:42] <greycat> all that matters are using the right
image in the first place, and using the right destination device
name
1578 [22:27:54] <greycat> (and, uh, making sure it's not
mounted)
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1580 [22:28:45] <mutante> Sarcutus: option a) just use an Ethernet
cable during the install one time, install nonfreem firmware for
wifi.. from then on use wifi and done option b) create USB drive
with nonfree firmware on it and let the installer mount it when it
asks for it (might be hard to get right so it detects it) option c)
use special installer image that already contains nonfree to start
with
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1585 [22:33:22] <Sarcutus> greycat: Oh, it was exactly the same
menu as for a regular installer.
1586 [22:33:31] <Sarcutus> greycat: Oh, it was exactly the same
menu as for a regular installer.
1587 [22:33:40] <Sarcutus> Ack
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1589 [22:34:10] <Sarcutus> Sorry about the repetitiveness
1590 [22:34:33] <Sarcutus> greycat: Yeah, I'm downloading a
firmware netinstall ISO now.
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1628 [23:15:56] <Sarcutus> Um ... should the net installer be
asking for a CD-ROM drive?
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1630 [23:17:16] <quadrathoch2> the cdrom is just an old word for
usb in this regard
1631 [23:17:43] <Sarcutus> quyadrathoch2: That's interesting,
because ... it's sure acting like it has no idea any are there
...
1632 [23:18:00] <greycat> You're using a CD image that
happens to be burned to a USB thingy. The installer still thinks
it's a CD, though. If it's prompting you to insert a
firmware disc, you can try inserting a firmware-bearing USB thingy.
I have no idea how to do that. I would use the unofficial images
insetad.
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1634 [23:19:01] <hramrach> I just install the firware after the
system is running when not critical for installation
1635 [23:19:19] <Sarcutus> greycat: This is an unofficial image.
So when it asks, "Load CD-ROM drivers from removable
media?", I can just say yes without removing the installation
media?
1636 [23:19:19] <greycat> that works as long as you don't
need to use those devices during the install
1637 [23:19:22] <dvs> Sarcutus: That usually means the image was
not written properly to the USB drive..
1638 [23:19:26] <Jonesy320> If it's looking for firmware you
can just pu tthe file on the root of a fat formatted thumbdrive
1639 [23:19:45] <Sarcutus> dvs: Oooooooooooh! I got ya. So it
could be an issue with dd.
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1641 [23:20:16] <dvs> Sarcutus: yes, the destination could have
been wrong (disk .vs partition)
1642 [23:20:20] <greycat> What *exactly* is it asking you for?
1643 [23:21:21] <Sarcutus> It says it's scanning ... disk vs
partition? Bugger me. greycat: It says it's scanning for a
CD-ROM drive, then that it can't find one. Then it asks if I
have removable media with the drivers on it.
1644 [23:21:32] <Sarcutus> And says to insert that media if I have
it.
1645 [23:22:07] <greycat> if you wrote the image to /dev/xxx1
instead of /dev/xxx then you did it wrong.
1646 [23:23:30] <Jonesy320> Last time I ran into this issue I
ended up rewriting the install media and it worked after that.
1647 [23:23:39] <Sarcutus> I definitely wrote the image to
/dev/xxx.
1648 [23:23:50] <mrkramps> symc?
1649 [23:23:54] <mrkramps> *sync
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1655 [23:35:18] <mutante> Sarcutus: and if you just ignore the
whole thing, can you continue to the next installer step anyways?
1656 [23:35:37] <mutante> you can still install missing drivers
after install is done
1657 [23:35:50] <mutante> unless it's about wifi and you are
trying to install via wifi
1658 [23:35:57] <Sarcutus> mutante: Nope. It's a CD-ROM, or
abort the whole installation. That's what's got me
thinking I must've done it wrong.
1659 [23:36:31] <mutante> Sarcutus: didn't you say you got
the netinstall iso though?
1660 [23:36:50] <Sarcutus> Yeah. While I was running Gentoo.
1661 [23:37:12] <Sarcutus> I have a few systems on my primary
laptop. I'm not currently typing on my primary laptop.
1662 [23:37:33] <mutante> so we know it wants a CD-ROM to look for
firmware but do you also know what hardware it is all about?
1663 [23:37:49] <mutante> does this happen at the "detecting
network" step?
1664 [23:37:52] <Sarcutus> That's a mystery. It doesn't
say.
1665 [23:38:00] <Sarcutus> There is no "detecting
network" step.
1666 [23:38:11] <mutante> uhm.. weird
1667 [23:38:18] <Sarcutus> Exceedingly
1668 [23:38:27] <mutante> what is the last thing you see before it
is asking for CD?
1669 [23:38:37] <mrkramps> for me this sounds like the installer
is looking for the contents of the image
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1671 [23:39:22] <mutante> mrkramps is probably right and something
went wrong while writing the ISO
1672 [23:39:57] <Sarcutus> mutante: It asks what language I speak.
1673 [23:40:18] <mrkramps> The installer detects your hardware,
and tries to identify the CD-ROM drive used in order to access its
content. It loads the modules corresponding to the various hardware
components detected, and then “mounts” the CD-ROM in
order to read it.
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1675 [23:41:08] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: So I have to have an internal
CD-ROM drive to install this OS? Crikey.
1676 [23:41:37] <Sarcutus> The CD-ROM drive plugs in via a USB
connection. It's external.
1677 [23:41:59] <mutante> no, you don't need an actual CD-ROM
drive
1678 [23:42:02] <ectospasm> You don't have a USB flash drive?
1679 [23:42:22] <Sarcutus> ectospasm: I'm booting from a USB
flash drive.
1680 [23:42:30] <mrkramps> this thing is a hybrid iso which can be
written to usb drive or optical media
1681 [23:43:12] <Sarcutus> Do any of you know of a utility other
than dd in Gentoo that can flash an .iso to a USB drive?
1682 [23:43:16] <mrkramps> the installer just always assumes
running from a cd-rom (even if it is a dvd)
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1684 [23:43:41] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, what is the _exact_ dd
command you used?
1685 [23:44:16] <mutante> nowadays you can use "cp" for
what historically needed dd
1686 [23:45:03] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: dd
if=firmware-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb
1687 [23:45:24] <Sarcutus> mutante: cp? I'll try that.
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1689 [23:45:46] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, and you run a
'sync' after flashing was done?
1690 [23:45:48] <dvs> Sarcutus: yeah, cp is a good second try. But
do a "sync" afterwards
1691 [23:46:12] <Sarcutus> Do a "sync" afterwards? Um
... never heard of that. How does one do that?
1692 [23:46:26] <mutante> Sarcutus: yes, just type ... sync
1693 [23:46:27] <dvs> Sarcutus: run "sync" after the cp.
1694 [23:46:29] <mutante>
replaced-url
1695 [23:46:43] <mutante> eh, did not mean to post the jessie
link.. but for this case doesnt matter
1696 [23:46:43] <dvs> mutante: jessie?
1697 [23:46:46] <mutante> i KNEW IT
1698 [23:47:01] <mrkramps> and doesn't matter if it is cp or
dd, run :$ sync
1699 [23:48:02] <mrkramps> the command will make sure all data
from cache is written to disk
1700 [23:48:26] <ectospasm> and wait for the LED on your USB flash
disk stops flashing (if it has one).
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1704 [23:49:35] <Sarcutus> Ran sync. Not sure it did anything. If
it did, it did it real fast.
1705 [23:49:55] <mrkramps> yeah, no feedback and it's quite
fast when there's not much data
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1709 [23:55:50] <Sarcutus> I knew it. It didn't work. Exact
same scenario. This nonsense with the CD-ROM drive.
1710 [23:56:01] <Sarcutus> Here's the menu:
1711 [23:56:04] <Sarcutus> Choose language
1712 [23:56:16] <Sarcutus> Access software for a blind person
using a braille display
1713 [23:56:21] <ectospasm> Which ISO did you download?
1714 [23:56:44] <Sarcutus> So far, a couple. The one that's
on this USB should be the non-free firmware net installer ISO
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1716 [23:57:09] <ectospasm> Do you need non-free firmware for your
WiFi NIC?
1717 [23:57:14] <Sarcutus> but it's acting just like the
first thing I tried
1718 [23:57:23] <Sarcutus> I think so, yes. Qualcomm Atheros.
1719 [23:57:34] <ectospasm> Sarcutus: Can you drop to the shell VT
and poke around?
1720 [23:57:48] <ectospasm> Ctrl-Alt-4 IIRC
1721 [23:57:54] <ectospasm> Or something like that
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1724 [23:58:22] <Sarcutus> ectospasm: well, "execute a
shell" was in the menu.
1725 [23:58:29] <Sarcutus> What sort of poking shall I do then?
1726 [23:58:41] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, try mounting it manually
maybe
1727 [23:58:49] <ectospasm> check /proc/mounts, see if your USB
drive is mounted.
1728 [23:59:20] <Sarcutus> mount isn't in the list of
built-in commands
1729 [23:59:51] <ectospasm> You don't need mount to check
/proc/mounts
1730 [23:59:58] <ectospasm> Just `cat /proc/mounts`
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