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9 [00:02:40] <jhutchins> I think it's probably something
I'm doing wrong.
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12 [00:03:31] <jhutchins> First time I didn't have network,
so I may have picked some wrong setting to get around it. Second
time I had to leave for work, and it may have gotten bumped back to
that step.
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14 [00:04:07] <jhutchins> The thing is that debootsttrap fails
to overwrite a previous run.
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32 [00:05:59] <jhutchins> Made it to "Select and
install...".
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36 [00:06:22] <somiaj> so you aren't reformatting your
install partition each time?
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46 [00:08:57] <jelly> (how) can I tell sort to stop sorting at
specific key and if the lines have identical values in the sort key,
keep the original order? eg. printf "1 c\n1 b\n0 a\n"|sort
-k1n ... should NOT order "1 b" before "1 c"
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58 [00:12:29] <Ede|Popede> jelly: never did it myseld i think,
but: KEYDEF is F[.C][OPTS][,F[.C][OPTS]] for start and stop position
59 [00:12:34] <Ede|Popede> at least for GNU sort
60 [00:13:07] <Ede|Popede> with OPTS being ordering options
[bdfgiMhnRrV]
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68 [00:15:10] <mebus> Hi! Why does nftables say: "zsh:
parse error near `}'" !?
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72 [00:17:05] <mebus> ah... it's a shell problem :-P
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74 [00:17:55] <somiaj> well I think it is a problem with the
script
75 [00:18:15] <somiaj> and the shell is erring out due to not
being able to parse things correctly
76 [00:18:40] <somiaj> (though such a thing could occur if
script is written for bash and you are using zsh)
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78 [00:18:44] <Ede|Popede> hm. only sort seems to ignore the
stop signal
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81 [00:22:15] <mebus> ok. How do I make nftables rules
persistent?
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84 [00:22:59] <bites> jelly: sort -k1n -s
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87 [00:23:55] <bites> "The --stable (-s) option disables
this last-resort comparison so that lines in which all fields
compare equal are left in their original relative order."
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89 [00:24:32] <jelly> !win bites
90 [00:24:33] <dpkg> Congratulations, bites! You have won the
time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
91 [00:24:54] <bites> thanks, i hate it.
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93 [00:25:15] * RoyK wonders how many interesting viruses that would
be included in such a set ;)
94 [00:25:48] <InvisibleRasta> is buster a good option fo rmy
laptop or shall i stay on stretch? is it stable enought to be used
as daily without any issues?
95 [00:26:07] <jelly> if it was stable enough it would be
released.
96 [00:26:16] <jelly> and called stable, literally
97 [00:26:22] <InvisibleRasta> i see
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100 [00:26:53] <jelly> but it's not called stable. It's
called testing. That means it's not stable yet.
101 [00:26:57] <RoyK> InvisibleRasta: it all depends on how much
you want the newest and fanciest stuff
102 [00:27:02] <RoyK> !sns
103 [00:27:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
104 [00:27:20] <annadane> anecdotally people have used testing
and unstable fine. and then further anecdotally they've also
run into problems. stable comes with more of a guarantee; if you
want to use your computer for work and not fixing stuff when it
breaks, use stretch
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106 [00:27:45] <InvisibleRasta> yeah i like stretch
107 [00:27:46] <annadane> it probably has what you want
108 [00:27:50] <jelly> have two computers and break them one at a
time
109 [00:27:57] <koollman> people also have used stable and run
into problems. But less often ;)
110 [00:28:00] <InvisibleRasta> even tho im using an unofficial
DE.. still havent had any weird things happening
111 [00:28:14] <annadane> new stuff is overrated for the most
part
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113 [00:28:48] <hyperlumic> !sns
114 [00:28:48] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
115 [00:28:57] <annadane> was already posted. ^
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118 [00:29:13] <RoyK> hyperlumic: one minute before you ;)
119 [00:29:32] <hyperlumic> Doh!
120 [00:29:34] <annadane> (or if you are going to use stuff pick
a distro which specializes in new stuff. by all means use testing or
sid if you want to file bugs to make debian stable better, though)
121 [00:29:41] <annadane> use new stuff*
122 [00:29:58] <somiaj> InvisibleRasta: a lot depends on use
case, buster is getting more and more relaible (and will freeze
early next year I belive) so if you need newer software or want to
test the newer features, it works fairly well. It does lack security
support and depending on software you use, have very grave bugs.
123 [00:30:16] <annadane> transition freeze is january and i
think soft freeze is march IIRC
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127 [00:31:06] <annadane> there are exceptions to what i said but
if you have to ask "i need something good enough for general
purposes" just use stable and save the headache
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132 [00:32:53] <InvisibleRasta> yeah i am on stabl ein fact and
like it alot. havent had any issues except the install part.
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135 [00:34:24] <watchcat> run a buster guest vm on a stretch
host. bobw.
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137 [00:34:37] <annadane> bobw...?
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139 [00:35:03] <watchcat> best of both worlds.
140 [00:35:06] <annadane> ah
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142 [00:35:48] <InvisibleRasta> watchcat, with vmware?
143 [00:36:05] <watchcat> qemu/kvm preferably.
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145 [00:36:20] <somiaj> qemu-kvm is a nice way to run vms on
linux, built into the kernel, no extra modules (and not needing
nonfree software like vmware)
146 [00:36:31] <annadane> i use virt-manager for virtualization.
it's fine.
147 [00:36:32] <InvisibleRasta> and virtualbox?
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149 [00:36:51] <annadane> despite my utter hopelessness and
stupidity with understanding general virtualization concepts
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152 [00:37:00] <watchcat> same probs as vmware.
153 [00:37:05] <somiaj> virtualbox is okay, it is basically free
software (though lives in contrib), biggiest issue I have with it
(besides being controlled by oracle) is needing a thrid party
module.
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155 [00:37:20] <somiaj> virtualbox is at least almost free,
unlike vmware
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158 [00:37:35] <somiaj> well virtualbox is fully free (just
requires non free to build the bios)
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168 [00:39:39] <watchcat> rarely is one method better in about
every way, but qemu/kvm qualifies. and like annadane said,
virt-manager makes using it easy.
169 [00:39:58] <annadane> it has its own shell called virsh
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171 [00:40:31] <annadane> but yeah, i like virt-manager. once you
understand how to use it it becomes less baffling, like everything i
suppose
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173 [00:40:33] <InvisibleRasta> ah virt-manager is a gui frontend
to quemu kvm
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175 [00:40:37] <annadane> indeed
176 [00:41:01] <InvisibleRasta> nice
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179 [00:42:15] <InvisibleRasta> ill give it a shot
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190 [00:50:22] <InvisibleRasta> annadane, have you seen this
error in virt-manager
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192 [00:50:55] <annadane> don't know, what are you trying to
do?
193 [00:51:34] <InvisibleRasta> creating a VM
194 [00:52:03] <annadane> ask someone smarter like anyone else in
this room :P i'm a dummy
195 [00:52:06] <annadane> anyone know?
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210 [00:55:22] <InvisibleRasta> i might have to start some
service?
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212 [00:55:33] <InvisibleRasta> i jsut isntalled virt manager and
tried to make a vm
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216 [00:57:39] <annadane> what i do with virt-manager from a
fresh install is: 1) add my user to the kvm libvirt and libvirt-qemu
groups, modprobe -r kvm-intel modprobe -r kvm (i have an intel
processor), modprobe kvm kvm-intel, that tends to make it work
217 [00:58:10] <annadane> otherwise i get strange user permission
errors
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219 [00:58:58] <InvisibleRasta> allright i did that
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221 [00:59:11] <InvisibleRasta> i have to reboot i think
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223 [00:59:17] <InvisibleRasta> for the user group changes
224 [00:59:26] <annadane> that's why the modprobe -r and
modprobe steps, so you don't have to
225 [00:59:47] <jelly> InvisibleRasta, just log off and back on
for group memberships
226 [00:59:57] <InvisibleRasta> oki
227 [01:00:00] <InvisibleRasta> brb
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235 [01:02:03] <InvisibleRasta> thatworked :)
236 [01:02:31] <watchcat> virt-manager is kind of quirky and
unintuitive in places, but you'll figure it out.
237 [01:03:00] <jhutchins> When I boot this newly installed Dell
Latitude (legacy boot), I get "Invalid partition table".
If I press Esc I get a normal Debian boot.
238 [01:03:34] <jhutchins> I think it has something to do with
the UEFI setup from Windows. The EFI partition is still there but
Windows is gone.
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241 [01:04:23] <jhutchins> !uefi
242 [01:04:24] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
(UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace
the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and
later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC
systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.
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247 [01:06:44] <InvisibleRasta> virtmanager feels snappier than
virtualbox
248 [01:06:53] <InvisibleRasta> to be honest... jsut faster
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256 [01:09:27] <annadane> i tend to go for free solutions when i
can
257 [01:09:32] <annadane> the exception being intel-microcode
258 [01:10:02] <jelly> no free alternative for that so
you're safe
259 [01:10:07] <annadane> yep
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261 [01:11:07] <InvisibleRasta> to connect to the VM's X i
can use vnc or there is better solutions? this is on my private
network anyway
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267 [01:13:33] <annadane> not sure what you mean by connect to x
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269 [01:13:58] <InvisibleRasta> well if i have X running on the
guest machine... can i connect to it from another pc?
270 [01:14:07] <annadane> ah. sorry.
271 [01:14:08] <InvisibleRasta> what is th ebest solution? i know
only vnc
272 [01:14:09] <annadane> i'm dumb.
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275 [01:14:22] <InvisibleRasta> srry im not english
276 [01:14:25] <Sveta> InvisibleRasta there is also x2go
277 [01:14:32] <Sveta> InvisibleRasta vnc is ok too
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280 [01:15:14] <annadane> no no, your question was perfectly
intelligible
281 [01:15:23] <annadane> i just wildly misinterpreted it,
that's my faul
282 [01:15:23] <annadane> t
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284 [01:15:59] <watchcat> oh, and make sure your cpu
virtualization is enabled in bios if you want the vm to fly.
285 [01:16:30] <watchcat> for me it's iommu enabled
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296 [01:22:54] <InvisibleRasta> nice
297 [01:22:57] <InvisibleRasta> thank you
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308 [01:31:53] <mebus> How can I allow connections to a certain
tcp port only from a certain IPv6 Subnet?
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312 [01:32:03] <mebus> in nftables on Debian ?
313 [01:32:16] <hyperlumic> mebus: iptables/ufw can easily do
that.
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315 [01:32:27] <hyperlumic> Oh, in nftables.
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318 [01:32:49] <mebus> yep :D nftalbes :D
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320 [01:34:02] <hyperlumic> I hate nftables, so I have no idea.
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324 [01:36:00] <hyperlumic> But probably something like 'ip
saddr x:x:x:x::/64 dport xxx accept'
325 [01:36:20] <hyperlumic> s/dport/tcp dport/
326 [01:36:26] <hyperlumic> s/ip/ip6/
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328 [01:36:56] <hyperlumic> ip6 saddr x:x:x:x::/64 tcp dport xxx
accept
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330 [01:37:47] <hyperlumic> That's just a wild guess, so
definitely check/test the crap out of that, if I'm even
anywhere close.
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383 [02:14:08] <Ameisen> Wasn't able to get my Windows
machine talking to the Debian machine via NFS
384 [02:14:15] <Ameisen> samba worked though
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408 [02:26:34] <watchcat> ssh/sftp always seem to work.
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547 [04:27:08] <Kremator> hey folks, which was the last version
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568 [05:00:14] <m0rd3cai> hey has anyone here used Stubby (dns
over tls)? I can find more than enough docs on how to setup stubby
server but no info on how to setup dns on local machine to use
stubby. anyone have any experience
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581 [05:24:20] <watchcat> not sure what stubby needs but i could
tell you how to set up dnsmasq for local caching dns.
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593 [05:39:45] <m0rd3cai> watchcat: its a loopback server run off
my router which accepts connections on port 5453 and uses TLS
instead of DNSSEC. i have the server running fine, I cant find any
documentation on how to tell my laptop or dhcp server how to use the
stubby server on 5453
594 [05:40:05] <m0rd3cai> do i just put 192.168.1.1:5453 in the
dns field?
595 [05:40:48] <m0rd3cai> its takes unencrypted dns requests and
sends them to specified stubby compatible servers (cloudflare)
wrapped in TLS
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599 [05:45:39] <watchcat> you set that in resolv.conf, but it
usually gets overwriten by dhcp or various other things. you can try
putting it in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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603 [05:48:48] <watchcat> something like supersede
domain-name-servers #.#.#.#:#, #.#.#.#:#;
604 [05:49:16] <watchcat> the seever ips on a separate line
though
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607 [05:51:14] <watchcat> and you would just append those two
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636 [06:15:37] <WoC> re grub; when i use grub-mkimage - do i
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663 [06:34:36] <milossh> hi. I've two displays on my
stretch. if I click four times on terminal icon, it opens 4 terminal
windows so that they take up 100% of my main screen
664 [06:35:36] <milossh> now, my secondary screen has different
resolution, and I want the same behavior for that screen, ie open 4
terminal windows in it, or somehow group these terminal windows
665 [06:35:40] <milossh> is that possible?
666 [06:35:57] <milossh> xfce, fwiw
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680 [06:52:31] <milossh> btw, how do you use terminator?
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691 [07:07:10] <danielboston26> where is muttrc located if not in
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729 [07:56:13] <rudi_s> ~/.mutt/muttrc
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756 [08:30:03] <teaearlgraycold> Why do people put /home on a
different partition?
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758 [08:31:04] <azi`> I am reading a guide that is supposed to
help me make a bootable USB of a custom debian setup. In the guide
it asks to detect the USB disk dev file (/dev/sda1) for me
759 [08:31:18] <azi`> then one needs to run parted, and here its
where I get the following error
760 [08:31:27] <azi`> Error: Error opening /dev/sda: No medium
found
761 [08:31:29] <teaearlgraycold> The USB drive is probably not
sda...
762 [08:31:39] <azi`> what could be causing this?
763 [08:31:43] <teaearlgraycold> azi`, did you check fdisk to see
what drives are available?
764 [08:31:49] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: hm
765 [08:31:53] <teaearlgraycold> sudo fdisk -l
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767 [08:32:49] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: this is the output
replaced-url
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769 [08:33:32] <WoC> teaearlgraycold, /home is sometimes put on
it on partition to prevent the system from running out of space due
to users
770 [08:33:35] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: you might want to put
/home on a diffeent partition so that you can smothly install
different versions/distributions etc.. updating or re-installing the
system then does not affect you
771 [08:33:46] <teaearlgraycold> azi`, doesn't look like you
have a USB drive available
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773 [08:34:10] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: but its pluged, I just
unmounted it
774 [08:34:11] <teaearlgraycold> Thanks for the answers
775 [08:34:19] * teaearlgraycold shrugs
776 [08:34:23] <teaearlgraycold> fdisk doesn't see it
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778 [08:34:27] <azi`> hm
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780 [08:34:55] <azi`> if I keep it mounted, fdisk shows it
781 [08:34:56] <azi`> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
782 [08:34:56] <azi`> /dev/sda1 * 8064 30277631 30269568 14,4G 83
Linux
783 [08:35:04] <teaearlgraycold> Yeah looks about right
784 [08:35:07] <azi`> but then in order to follow the guide I
need to unmount
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786 [08:35:40] <teaearlgraycold> Only thing I can guess is that
the interface you're connecting the drive through has shitty
drivers
787 [08:35:53] <azi`> hm
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790 [08:36:13] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I don't understand why it
should fail. We do install -m 644 ./csc.mdoc "/var/replaced-url
791 [08:36:16] <teaearlgraycold> If you have a different type of
port you can plug it in to that might run through a different device
with different drivers
792 [08:36:29] <sjamaan> So the destdir should have the man page
793 [08:36:35] <teaearlgraycold> USB2.0 instead of 3.0, or use a
type-C adapter, something like that
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796 [08:37:58] <WoC> azi`, try lsblk or blkid - as root
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830 [09:15:25] <azi`> WoC: that's what lsblk has to say
replaced-url
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832 [09:16:18] <azi`> and blkid
replaced-url
833 [09:16:33] <azi`> note that this happens when i press the
unmount button in gnome
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835 [09:18:40] <WoC> hmmm
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837 [09:20:12] <WoC> it is supposed to be a usb cd-drive attached
with a cd in it ?
838 [09:20:55] <azi`> no
839 [09:20:58] <azi`> just a usb key
840 [09:21:32] <WoC> i dont think your usb drivers are loaded
841 [09:21:49] <WoC> try lsusb
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844 [09:23:14] <azi`> yep thats it Bus 001 Device 009: ID
0951:1666 Kingston Technology DataTraveler G4
845 [09:23:25] <azi`> the device i mean
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848 [09:24:44] <WoC> it should show up with blkid and lsblk as
well, if all drivers are ok
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852 [09:27:12] <WoC> as root; try modprobe usb-storage
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854 [09:27:27] <WoC> and then blkid
855 [09:27:36] <WoC> see if it shows up
856 [09:27:43] <WoC> if not.... gtg
857 [09:27:55] <WoC> Sat Dec 1 02:27:54 CST 2018
858 [09:28:01] <WoC> sleep time here
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860 [09:28:32] <azi`> WoC: sounds like this might work
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862 [09:28:54] <WoC> gr8, good luck
863 [09:29:18] <azi`> hm.. nope
replaced-url
864 [09:29:23] <azi`> blkid not showing anything
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868 [09:31:09] <milossh> when I get error in starting service,
217/USER, what does that mean, permissions?
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937 [10:15:33] <cheche> Good Morning, is there any other browser
that support java in debian?. Firefox have drop their support on the
latest update.
938 [10:16:04] <cheche> I need to access and old Access point
that requiered java
939 [10:16:19] <Wulf> cheche: install some ancient OS in a VM.
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941 [10:16:37] <Wulf> and replace your AP.
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943 [10:17:31] <cheche> Wulf: I tried that. but it is a bit more
complex. I am tunneling using ssh -L9000:192.168.1.2:80 remote.site
-N
944 [10:18:04] <cheche> Wulf: so when I try to acceso from the VM
the port is not open
945 [10:18:24] <Wulf> cheche: why do you need any ssh tunnels for
your VM?
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947 [10:19:25] <jethro> cheche: use ssh -g -L ...
948 [10:19:26] <cheche> Wulf: oh, sorry. I am ssh from debian to
a remote site. the VM is windows xp and I tried to connect to debian
ip but the port is closed.
949 [10:20:25] <cheche> jethro: that works ! thanks!
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951 [10:21:33] <cheche> stilll, there is not a java browser
somehow
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967 [10:34:18] <velix> Is there a way to make "apt
search" just work on the package's title? 99% aren't
in the scope of what I'm looking for.
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969 [10:35:19] <Wulf> "if --names-only is given then the
long description is not searched, only the package name and provided
packages are"
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972 [10:36:02] <velix> Wulf: thanks a lot!
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974 [10:36:33] <velix> I'll make this default in m bash.rc
975 [10:36:58] <velix> Wulf: it works! great. Wow. Thanks.
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977 [10:37:03] <Wulf> you're welcome.
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988 [10:46:06] <tarzeau> sjamaan: the csc.mdoc is a manual page?
989 [10:46:16] <tarzeau> sjamaan: is it generated?
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994 [10:53:57] <trysten> so i installed kitty. it works ok until
I ssh to another debian server
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997 [10:54:27] <trysten> then, backspace stops working. most
programs complain about `cannot find terminfo entry for xterm-kitty`
998 [10:55:32] <trysten> do i need to install kitty to the host
machine so it has the term info?
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1093 [11:57:17] <sjamaan> tarzeau: We install csc.mdoc _as_ csc.1;
it is hand-crafted
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1217 [13:10:14] <tarzeau> sjamaan: aha
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1219 [13:12:08] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i see the problem now
there's a debian/*manpages that wants to install it with source
being csc.1 but it's csc.mdoc
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1221 [13:13:07] <tarzeau> sjamaan: rebuilding with that manpages
installer removed...
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1236 [13:29:25] <strk> all of a sudden my scp calls behave in a
weird way: they quickly report 100% but never end, and on the other
side the filesize is always 0
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1238 [13:29:41] <strk> any idea what could trigger this ?
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1244 [13:31:49] <strk> doesn't happen with a simple text file
1245 [13:31:55] <strk> but does happen with an executable
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1264 [13:41:02] <tarzeau> sjamaan: it built!
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1266 [13:41:18] <tarzeau> sjamaan: can you install the packages to
see if it works?
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1338 [14:49:50] <EmleyMoor> Anyone around who might be able to
help me with a network/NetworkManager problem? I am completely
unable to get my IPv6 addresses to work on my bridge0 interface, as
of today. They stick at "tentative"
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1349 [15:02:36] <jelly> strk, similar symptoms can happen if you
have very little upload bandwidth for a file; just wait until
it's finished
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1357 [15:11:39] <BCMM> jelly: what's the mechanism for it
reporting 100%? does it mean the whole file is sitting a network
buffer somewhere or something?
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1362 [15:14:31] <jelly> no idea. It's just another broke
progress bar.
1363 [15:16:24] <at0m> to be sure (especially on usb sticks, SD
cards), sync after completion. sometimes buffer is filled but not
emptied
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1393 [15:49:57] <rk[ghost]> anyone have a "definitive guide
to unicode" ? (command line (bash), ssh, screen/tmux, xmodmap,
ect?)
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1402 [15:52:45] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i've also rebuilt it with
some other updates in the 9 sub directory, now the package is almost
ready for official, the manpages need get installed too though
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1492 [16:58:49] <doublehp> which package owns /bin/netcat ?
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1503 [17:05:30] <booyah> doublehp: apt-file search /bin/netcat
1504 [17:05:31] <joepublic> doublehp, to find out: dpkg -S
/bin/netcat
1505 [17:05:53] <doublehp> dpkg-query: no path found matching
pattern /bin/netcat
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1508 [17:06:52] <joepublic> oh, it's a symlink to
/etc/alternatives/netcat
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1510 [17:08:23] <joepublic> on my system that's a symlink to
/bin/nc.openbsd which belongs to pkg netcat-openbsd (but I am not
running debian so check yours)
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1524 [17:17:08] <doublehp> i am missing X fonts; which package
will inject them by deps ?
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1535 [17:21:57] <joepublic> well, xord depends on them.
1536 [17:22:06] <joepublic> s/xord/xorg/
1537 [17:22:20] <joepublic> or you could install xfonts-base ?
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1574 [17:46:44] <BCMM> rk[ghost]: what about unicode? i mean, most
software in debian is just sorta going to support it by default at
this point
1575 [17:46:50] <BCMM> rk[ghost]: if you set an appropriate
locale, anyway
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1583 [17:55:01] <rk[ghost]> what i mean is somethign that tells me
how to set it, shows me how to get fonts (within debian framework),
tells me how to configure it so it works over ssh, works with
screen, works with tmux, and then goes as far as how to set up
hotkeys for the different unicode symbols with xmodmap
1584 [17:55:10] <rk[ghost]> i forget how all that works, as it has
been a while.
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1603 [18:08:43] <strk> jelly, at0m ... I'm scp'ing in a
LAN, so bandwidth cannot really be the problem
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1606 [18:09:19] <strk> there, I just tried again and it worked
fine (A->B)
1607 [18:09:26] <strk> 100% 2665KB 11.1MB/s 00:00
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1609 [18:09:57] <azi`> I've created a tiny debian "live
cd" using the debootstrap comand. now any time I run the live
USB I em prompted with the login screen
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1611 [18:10:09] <strk> B->A gives the same exact symptoms
1612 [18:10:10] <azi`> is there a way to set debian to always
start x automatically?
1613 [18:10:17] <strk> 100% 2043KB 136.2KB/s 00:15 # and counting
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1615 [18:10:33] <strk> 100% 2043KB 60.1KB/s 00:34
1616 [18:10:35] <joepublic> azi`, yes, there are multiple ways.
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1618 [18:10:46] <strk> it's like it stops transferring after
2043KB, so it never ends
1619 [18:10:53] <strk> something destrois the connection from
B->A
1620 [18:10:55] <joepublic> most involve things with
"dm" on the end of the name, such as lightdm
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1622 [18:10:58] <azi`> joepublic: i am looking for the most simple
option possible, the live cd is created with a bash script
1623 [18:10:59] <strk> while A->B scp works gret
1624 [18:11:39] <strk> running scp on A, to _fetch_ from B, also
stalls
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1626 [18:11:51] <joepublic> well, do want x to start automatically
for your user, or x to start automatically before anyone logs in
1627 [18:12:31] <azi`> joepublic: so right now after the usb loads
I am prompted with the usual tty login
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1629 [18:12:43] <azi`> i'd like it to start with the X
screen, root user already logged in
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1634 [18:14:05] <strk> it's probably unrelated, but ssh into
B (the machine _from_ which scp stalls) gives me a broken terminal,
where backspace echoes to screen [001B]g
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1640 [18:16:21] <n4dir> azi`: no clue if this works, all i know
the how-to is there:
replaced-url
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1642 [18:17:40] <azi`> n4dir: thanks
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1664 [18:29:39] <pipo65> help
1665 [18:30:33] <pipo65> someone has idea about dns ??
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1670 [18:34:36] <annadane> Did Not Stay (in channel)
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1672 [18:35:03] <n4dir> lol.
1673 [18:36:29] <srukle> lol
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1681 [18:40:03] <strk> my scp issue ended up with:
packet_write_wait: Connection to 192.168.1.82 port 22: Connection
timed out
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1684 [18:40:18] <strk> what could be so destructive of a
connection, only in one way ?
1685 [18:40:23] <strk> (the other way works great)
1686 [18:41:15] <nunojpg> is there a recommended way of having a
.deb package refusing to install in a old distribution?
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1688 [18:42:04] <jhutchins> nunojpg: Are you trying to force it to
install or to prevent it from installing?
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1690 [18:42:45] <nunojpg> jhutchins: prevent. I want to build
packages that will be very hard to install in the wrong
distribution.
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1693 [18:43:17] <jhutchins> Make a dependency on the current
version of some other package.
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1696 [18:43:45] <jhutchins> nunojpg: Why would you want to do that
though? Wouldn't it be better to have the package compatible
across several releases?
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1704 [18:47:05] <nunojpg> jhutchins: with dpkg -i it is installed
and replaces a previously installed package. It fails at
configuration level with unmet dependencies. I want to fail before
it replaces anything.
1705 [18:47:15] <strk> oh..
replaced-url
1706 [18:47:25] <strk> there *might* be a reason related to
terminal or whatnot
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1717 [18:54:28] <jhutchins> nunojpg: Make it check the
dependencies. I'm not sure of the details, but that's the
right thing to do anyway.
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1723 [18:55:50] <jhutchins> I'm sure you've seen
something fail with "foo depends on libfoo>=1.12.3 but
libfoo is not available" (something like that).
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1734 [19:04:29] <strk> I must have a filename with unprintable
character or something
1735 [19:04:38] <strk> as even a `ls -a` makes my terminal
unusable
1736 [19:04:46] <strk> some killing control char
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1739 [19:06:07] <strk> cat .bashrc-backup # makes my terminal
unusable
1740 [19:07:37] <strk> and I cannot even copy that file to the
machine from which I'm using it, as any attempt to scp stalls
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1742 [19:08:34] <joepublic> perhaps less .evil-file to see
what's viewable. or view with midnight commander (mc, select
file, f3)
1743 [19:10:55] <strk> gah, this is really frustrating, it's
not even always stopping at the same line
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1745 [19:11:04] <strk> sometimes it shows nothing, sometimes it
shows some lines
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1747 [19:11:19] <strk> it's like the TCP connection drops all
of a sudden, upon receiving some message
1748 [19:11:33] <strk> The following packages will be upgraded:
openssh-client openssh-server openssh-sftp-server
1749 [19:11:36] <strk> let's see if that helps
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1752 [19:12:17] <strk> did not
1753 [19:12:22] <at0m> strk: you don't need
openssh-sftp-server for scp
1754 [19:12:31] <at0m> if you can ssh, you can scp
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1756 [19:12:58] <strk> the above happened when I did: apt-get
install ssh
1757 [19:13:03] <strk> anyway, didn't help
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1761 [19:14:19] <strk> gah, even cat known_hosts hangs
1762 [19:14:28] <strk> that file is 32360 bytes
1763 [19:15:06] <strk> cat /etc/issue # works
1764 [19:15:08] <strk> cat /etc/hosts # hangs
1765 [19:15:20] * strk goes doing it on the actual machine terminal
1766 [19:15:52] <jelly> strk, if your tcp connection stalls on
_any_ quick, large output, that sounds like MTU issues
1767 [19:16:02] <jelly> strk, try ls -lR /
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1769 [19:17:11] <strk> from the local machine everything works
fine
1770 [19:17:39] <strk> ls -lR / # also works fine from the _local_
machine, now getting back to the other machine, to check terminal
1771 [19:18:09] <strk> I confirm, from the ssh session (from the
other machine) ls -lR / stops almost immediately
1772 [19:18:17] <strk> total 753372 # and hangs there
1773 [19:18:25] <strk> cannot even kill with ^C
1774 [19:18:27] <fred``> i want to have vsftpd and pure-ftp
installed at the same time, but the apt always announces to
uninstall 'the first' ftpd when trying to instell
'the second' one. these ftps will listen on different
ports. how to install them both at the same time ?
1775 [19:18:41] <strk> it just took the terminal control,
stsalling it forever. Any idea jelly ?
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1777 [19:18:52] <jelly> strk, right. are ssh client and servers
systems on the same local network segment, or is there one or one
router or similar network elements in between?
1778 [19:18:55] <strk> I've no idea what changed, as it
usually worked
1779 [19:19:06] <strk> there's a router in between, which
today had connection problems
1780 [19:19:12] <strk> maybe something changed in the router
configuration
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1782 [19:19:19] <strk> it's an ADSL modem
1783 [19:19:23] <strk> netgear
1784 [19:19:52] <strk> it did have unexpected configuration
changed in its lifetime (it's a linux based appliance if I
understood correctly)
1785 [19:20:15] <jelly> strk, manually lower MTU on the ssh client
interface that faces towards ssh server, to, say, 1280, and try
again
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1787 [19:21:09] <jelly> ip l set eth0 mtu 1280
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1790 [19:21:54] * strk never heard of "ip" command before,
nice !
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1792 [19:22:01] <jelly> previously: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1280
1793 [19:22:12] <strk> oh
1794 [19:22:37] <strk> current mtu is 1500 on both sides
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1799 [19:23:45] <strk> jelly: it seemed to work
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1801 [19:24:12] <strk> scp now also works perfectly
1802 [19:24:18] <strk> now to find out what changed, and why
1803 [19:24:28] <strk> jelly: does this sound like something that
changed on the router ?
1804 [19:24:40] <strk> there's also a switch involved, but
that's probably too dummy to have a role here
1805 [19:24:49] <jelly> could be any network element in between
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1808 [19:27:26] <jelly> there's a thing called pMTUd on linux
supposed to figure out changes in MTU transparently, but it requires
coopreation from network elements (in particular, not blocking some
icmp traffic)
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1817 [19:32:59] <strk> I'm going to see if the router GUI
tells me anything about mtu of its interfaces
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1820 [19:33:20] <strk> "A router firmware upgrade is
available" .. uhm
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1832 [19:35:25] <strk> MTU size setting I only find in WAN setup,
not LAN setup
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1834 [19:35:33] <strk> it's set to 1458 there
1835 [19:35:46] <jelly> you said ADSL modem, that usually means
there are lots more network elements between you and some machine
somewhere on the internet
1836 [19:36:26] <strk> weird value
1837 [19:36:36] <strk> both machines are on the LAN
1838 [19:36:44] <strk> so outside internet is not really involved
here
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1840 [19:36:57] <strk> but I bet that value 1458 has a role here
1841 [19:37:04] <jelly> unlikely
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1843 [19:37:11] <strk> still, the failure was just in one side
communication, not the other
1844 [19:37:13] <strk> uhm
1845 [19:37:17] <strk> A -> B worked
1846 [19:37:20] <strk> B -> A did not
1847 [19:37:25] <strk> both A and B MTU was set to 1500
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1849 [19:37:36] <strk> setting B MTU to 1280 fixed it
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1852 [19:37:56] <jelly> if they're on local LAN then MTU
issues are unusual
1853 [19:37:57] <strk> both A and B are connected via ethernet
cable to this router
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1856 [19:38:28] <jelly> that kind of implies the router is doing
more than just simple bridging between two ports
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1859 [19:39:18] <jelly> might want to ask ##networking for more
clues
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1861 [19:39:32] <strk> I tried setting MTU back to 1500 and I
again hav ethe problem
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1863 [19:39:47] <strk> there: setting it to 1458 fixes it again
1864 [19:40:02] <jelly> and 1480? :-)
1865 [19:40:18] <strk> 1460 is enough to break it
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1867 [19:40:33] <strk> 1458 is the value I find in the router GUI
(http based)
1868 [19:40:48] <strk> only, it is in the WAN section, whereas I
cannot find any MTU setting in the LAN section
1869 [19:40:59] <strk> these linux things are always unfriendly :P
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1871 [19:41:06] <jelly> the thing might indeed by buggy enough to
impose that setting across the board
1872 [19:41:12] <strk> I bet if I change the WAN MTU back to 1500
things will work again
1873 [19:41:22] <strk> will try that
1874 [19:41:23] <jelly> that would be silly and break LAN traficc
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1877 [19:41:55] <jelly> strk, if you change WAN MTU you might
break your internet connectivity
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1881 [19:42:57] <jelly> configuring an ADSL router correctly
however is out of scope for #debian
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1883 [19:44:09] <strk> jelly: I'm still here
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1886 [19:44:16] <strk> wan mtu 1500
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1888 [19:44:32] <strk> now I can set machine's mtu to 1500
and things work again
1889 [19:44:33] <strk> damn router
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1891 [19:44:40] <jelly> maybe you are, becuase irc traffic is low
and comes in small packets
1892 [19:44:44] <strk> it's always like that, one day it
starts having "red" leds, then something breaks...
1893 [19:44:48] <strk> ok, good point
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1896 [19:45:12] <strk> I should ask if my provider changed MTU of
the router, is that possible to do ? the router is mine...
1897 [19:45:15] <jelly> but try downloading and uploading
something in MB size
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firmware update I could apply
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1909 [19:47:19] <strk> jelly: so I'm going to lower this back
to 1458...
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1974 [20:31:36] <fred``> i want to have vsftpd and pure-ftp
installed at the same time, but the apt always announces to
uninstall 'the first' ftpd when trying to instell
'the second' one. these ftps will listen on different
ports. how to install them both at the same time ?
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1979 [20:32:32] <annadane> Conflicts: ftp-server
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1982 [20:33:06] <fred``> yes - but it there a way to install them
both ?
1983 [20:33:29] <fred``> *but is there
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but then i will forget about it and it wont be upgraded by the
pkg-system
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2056 [21:22:18] <storrgie> is there a way to use backports with
apt, or is apt-get -t required?
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2059 [21:23:17] <hyperlumic> apt -t <repo> install package
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2061 [21:23:24] <Zavoli> HEY! YOU ALL iNViTED very GOOD Server IRC
'' quakenet ORG '' #Freenode #Philosophy #LoVe
#apple #DALnet #Freenode Comon please fun time :)<<>>
quakenet ORG
2062 [21:23:38] <hyperlumic> !ops Zavoli Spamming multiple
channels.
2063 [21:23:38] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
hyperlumic complains about a problem (see above)
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2065 [21:23:54] <storrgie> hyperlumic, in this case would
<repo> be `backports`?
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'' quakenet ORG '' #Freenode #Philosophy #LoVe
#apple #DALnet #Freenode Comon please fun time :)<<>>
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2069 [21:24:29] <hyperlumic> storrgie: stretch-backports or
whatever repo you've configured in sources.list.
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2073 [21:26:23] <storrgie> hyperlumic, is it possible to do a
`stable-backports` or does it have to be release specific?
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2078 [21:27:14] <hyperlumic> It SHOULD be release specific, as
should your sources.list.
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2084 [21:31:20] <annadane> storrgie, your sources list should be
stretch-backports, not stable-backports
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2087 [21:31:35] <annadane> your sources list should also say
stretch and not stable
2088 [21:31:48] <annadane> because what happens when stretch no
longer is stable, replaced by buster?
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2104 [21:42:24] <storrgie> annadane, thanks, thats good advice
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2106 [21:42:32] <storrgie> I'm doing my first install of ZFS
on debian stretch, I'm wondering if there is a particular
reason that out of the box these services wouldn't be able to
start (replaced-url
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2118 [21:47:14] <RoyK> storrgie: root on zfs?
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2121 [21:48:41] <storrgie> not planning on it, just want to use it
for other disks
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2124 [21:51:13] <storrgie> it appears that the kernel module isnt
loaded when I reboot the system
2125 [21:51:31] <SerajewelKS> did you update the initramfs after
installing zfs
2126 [21:51:58] <storrgie> I did not (however I didn't see
that in the guide
2127 [21:52:07] <storrgie> err, doc
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2133 [21:53:29] <storrgie> `apt -t stretch-backports install
zfs-dkms zfsutils-linux`, reboot, `lsmod | grep zfs` no module
loaded
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2141 [21:56:10] <storrgie> apparently this is going on -->
replaced-url
2142 [21:56:11] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2150 [22:02:41] <tpo2> When building dia, a C app, with
dpkg-buildpackage in jessie, the build runs through without a
failure. So there's very little is logged to the console.
However I'd like to see the build logs none the less. However
no .build file is produced. How can I force dpkg-buildpackage to
show me the build logs (what gcc is doing etc.)?
2151 [22:02:43] <reber> Heyall, how to get the same environment in
the crontab than with the real user plz ?
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2156 [22:04:26] <tpo2> reber, maybe `man login` could be useful to
you?
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2194 [22:30:53] <jhutchins> ,v xfdesktop4
2195 [22:30:54] <judd> Package: xfdesktop4 on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.2-3; stretch: 4.12.3-3; buster: 4.12.4-2; sid:
4.12.4-2; experimental: 4.13.2-1
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2199 [22:34:18] <jhutchins> When I boot my new 9.6 install on a
previously UEFI laptop, I get "Invalid partition table!".
If I press escape, I get a normal boot.
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2201 [22:34:59] <jhutchins> I suspect that this may be because I
have both a GPT and an MPT. Can anyone confirm that that might be
the cause and tell me what tool to use to fix it?
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2218 [22:49:48] <jhutchins> Is there a tool that can tell me if I
have both partitiont tables and remove the GPT?
2219 [22:50:08] <jhutchins> Crud, sorry 'bout that.
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2223 [22:53:37] <Lambertini> Can anyone help me with apache and
wsgi ?
2224 [22:53:44] <annadane> Lambertini, only if you ask
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2226 [22:54:37] <Lambertini> annadane :D sure
2227 [22:54:41] <Lambertini> I am trying to configure wsgi with
virtualhosts, but it is not working
2228 [22:54:54] <Lambertini> i try follow this steps
2229 [22:54:55] <Lambertini>
replaced-url
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2233 [22:56:50] <Lambertini> i make active vitualhosts with
a2ensite and reload, but dont work, i see only the script appears
and not the hellow word message
2234 [22:57:34] <Lambertini> but if I configure it directly in
apache.conf, it works, but I lose all other languages like php
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2259 [23:11:12] <tpo2> Lambertini, are you sure your virtual host
config is loaded? Put some error in it and apache will complain, if
it is loaded. Virtual host configuration files need to follow some
nomenclature, so maybe you got the naming wrong?
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2265 [23:13:46] <Lambertini> tpo2 yah he works allrigth, return
other folders
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2269 [23:15:26] <jhutchins> Lambertini: you might find apache2ctl
-t, apache2ctl -S useful.
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2288 [23:25:08] <Lambertini> hard
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2311 [23:40:51] <jhutchins> Lambertini: Yeah, at first, but once
you figure it out it makes sense. Make good use of the Apache
documentation on the web.
2312 [23:41:11] <cluelessperson> hm, I'm trying to add a user
to the sudoers file so they can run a command as another user
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2314 [23:41:23] <cluelessperson> zabbix All=(application)
NOPASSWD: /var/application/client.sh
2315 [23:41:28] <cluelessperson> however it still asks the
password
2316 [23:41:30] <cluelessperson> don't know why
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2318 [23:41:49] <cluelessperson> su - zabbix; sudo -u application
/var/application/client.sh
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2321 [23:43:32] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: iirc the ALL=(ALL) is
<user>=(<host>)
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2328 [23:49:51] <iovec> Is there any timeline on when emacs 26
will be uploaded to experimental
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2330 [23:51:09] <tpo2> iovec, wouldn't it be better to ask
the maintainer(s)?
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2333 [23:52:57] <joepublic> yeah they love answering that kind of
stuff
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2342 [23:58:13] <annadane> iovec, they're working on it but
it involves something like rebuilding other packages
2343 [23:58:19] <annadane> i'm not sure about the details
2344 [23:58:42] <annadane>
replaced-url
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