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• 51[00:14:02] <razer1> Does anyone know how to create a bootable USB stick of windows 10 from Debian? I've searched everywhere and the tools that are used don't work on Debian. Normally Unetbootin is used which I have to use on MacOS, or Rufus on Windows, but I want to know the way on Debian. DD doesn't work. I know you have to have a GUID partition table and I did that and it still doesn't work.
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• 54[00:14:53] <mtn> razer1: folks on a windows channel would know how to make one.
• 55[00:15:11] <razer1> mtn: Ok, that was actually my idea to go to a windows channel.
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• 60[00:18:05] <razer1> I just asked in #windows. However we could really use a working version of Unetbootin for Debian. It is available for Linux.
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• 64[00:19:54] <mtn> razer1: they said you could use unetbootin? I thought it needed some other tool
• 65[00:19:55] <razer1> Also, what does everyone think about the idea of moving application software to flatpaks and only using Debian packages for system level software in the future? Wouldn't that make a lot more sense?
• 66[00:20:10] <razer1> I know Unetbootin works. I'm pretty sure. I think Rufus might too.
• 67[00:20:26] <razer1> One person said an old verison of Unetbootin works on Debian. No idea where/what that is.
• 68[00:20:56] <razer1> Unetbootin is not in the Debian repository.
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• 71[00:23:49] <razer1> We should have something for Debian that can make a bootable Windows usb
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• 79[00:26:14] <razer1> I believe that all application software should switch to Flatpaks and only system level software should use OS specific package formats like .deb.
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• 82[00:26:39] <vichi> razer1: rufus always works for me. replaced-url
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• 87[00:27:45] <razer1> vichi: Is there a Debian download there? I didn't see it.
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• 89[00:28:44] <vichi> oh, I read wrong.
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• 91[00:29:08] <vichi> what I used to do was to decompress the windows iso on an fat32 usb and then write the boot sector with replaced-url
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• 192[01:13:32] <razer1> I tried syslinux-uitils and it didn't work
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• 195[01:13:39] <razer1> isohybrid command
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• 199[01:15:34] <annadane> !doesn't work
• 200[01:15:34] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 207[01:21:22] <Tarrasquero> !zsh
• 208[01:21:22] <dpkg> The Z shell (zsh) is a powerful Unix shell. For usage tips, see replaced-url
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• 218[01:23:45] <zRecursive> !systemd
• 219[01:23:45] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
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• 251[01:43:18] <pbase> can anyone help to debug and fix the sound system on my laptop running debian stretch ? The problem in it is the sound stops after ~1.5 minutes
• 252[01:44:27] <somiaj> use pulse audio or alsa?
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• 254[01:45:47] <pbase> somiaj, i guess pulseaudio. i dont have idea about the linux sound architecture
• 255[01:46:29] <pbase> this is a similar problem i found - replaced-url
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• 258[01:46:42] <somiaj> well in most cases alsa is the sound drivers in the kernel, and pulseauido is a sound server on top of alsa that many desktop enviorments use
• 259[01:47:32] <somiaj> check the output of 'dmesg' after it stops, and see if there are any errors relating to sound that could be useful
• 260[01:48:50] <pbase> somiaj, pulseaudio then. i am using gnome default settings. the dmesg output doesnt show any errors related to sound
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• 262[01:49:45] <somiaj> well pavucontrol is a generic pulseauid control pannel, you might see if you can fiddle with settings there.
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• 264[01:50:02] <somiaj> but this is an internal laptop sound card using the snd_intel_hda sound card?
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• 268[01:51:22] <pbase> somiaj, yes, laptop on board internal intel card. dmesg output - replaced-url
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• 274[01:52:09] <pbase> i was fiddling with the settings as given here - replaced-url
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• 281[01:52:49] <somiaj> sometimes the model for that sound card isn't detected correctly and needs to be configured. replaced-url
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• 283[01:53:04] <somiaj> you may find that the codec for your card has differnt models, you may find just changing the model will fix your situation.
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• 285[01:54:10] <pbase> somiaj, cat: '/proc/asound/card0/codec*': No such file or directory
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• 292[01:57:58] <pbase> somiaj, both the lists dont exist - /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz | /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
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• 295[01:59:34] <somiaj> yea that is a bit old, you can find those lists online. there shoudl be a link there.
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• 307[02:05:23] <pbase> somiaj, thanks
• 308[02:05:35] <pbase> fiddling with options now
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• 344[02:29:58] <BrandonArnold> .
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• 346[02:30:19] <ksk> Hey. If I have IPs in format "10.0.0.1-10.10.0.255" - is it possible to feed nmap with that? from what I grasp no? Do you know of an easy way to convert those? (sipcalc for example does not seem to take that as input either, and is not too good for automation afaik)
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• 349[02:32:02] <ksk> or, a little offtopic but gets me the same: are ther nmap-compatible lists of subnets-per-region(AS/whatever) around? :)
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• 358[02:37:30] <ksk> think I found somethings, thanks.
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• 396[03:01:23] <linurandy> Does debian 9 support for TP-Link tl-wdn5200h and could be push in monitor mode and create hotspot?
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• 472[03:57:56] <al_capone> test
• 473[03:58:10] <dvs> !tesst
• 474[03:58:14] <al_capone> thx
• 475[03:58:22] <dvs> !test
• 476[03:58:22] <dpkg> Test failed.
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• 479[03:59:55] <dTal> !dpkg
• 480[03:59:56] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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• 483[04:00:22] <dTal> !dpkgbot
• 484[04:00:22] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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• 745[07:36:03] <edgrey> Recently i have experienced a problem when trying to mount a usb drive or shutdown system — the message appears "authentication is required to set a wall message" and password prompt. I know that i can change the action file to get rid of it, but still looking for more sane way to fix it.
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• 748[07:36:48] <edgrey> Also, my system is recent debian 9
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• 757[07:39:16] <somiaj> edgrey: are you rebooting as root or as a normal issue, this sounds like a polkit issue (at least that is what google seems to suggest)
• 758[07:40:31] <edgrey> I know that it is a polkit issue, but still don't understand why it happens from time to time, maybe systemd related.
• 759[07:41:15] <somiaj> yea the wall message is something systemd is doing, not quite sure what it is. I personally don't use systemd or polkit for reboots, so I'm unfamilar with the details.
• 760[07:42:19] <somiaj> edgrey: can you describe exactly how you are rebooting your system? The command/button you are using? Is this over ssh?
• 761[07:43:33] <edgrey> Single-user instance, local shutdown/suspend/reboot via gui or systemctl commands.
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• 765[07:45:20] <somiaj> I don't know polkit enough to have any advise on how to debug it. It sounds like either your polkit policies aren't set up correctly, or for some reason where you are running the command from is not seen as a local user, which will prompt passwords (which is why I mentioned ssh)
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• 767[07:45:40] <somiaj> [I just use sudo blah because I'm to lazy to figure out this polkit stuff]
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• 769[07:47:34] <edgrey> I suppose it more systemd issue rather than polkit problem.
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• 771[07:47:59] <edgrey> Also, another previleged actions like mounting is also affected
• 772[07:48:26] <somiaj> systemd uses polkit for pivlage essicliation, so I would say polkit or how systemd integrates with it.
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• 774[07:49:13] <somiaj> seems polkit uses various things to determine if privlage essiclation is allowed, such as local user vs non local user, if a user is allowed to eslicate privlages and the likes. So that could be why it only happens sometimes. Maybe you have conditions that polkit cannot determine it is okay to escliate privlages.
• 775[07:51:03] <edgrey> I only know that i'm should be in sudo group which is true
• 776[07:51:08] <Ragnarok022> good morning everybody
• 777[07:51:23] <somiaj> edgrey: polkit is independent of sudo. So I doubt that is related.
• 778[07:52:24] <somiaj> if you used sudo, you would also not experience these issues, but sudo will prompt for a password (unless you change that)
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• 784[07:54:10] <edgrey> also some detailes: after "wall message" prompt there is another with actual action like suspending. The mounting is require only 1 prompt.
• 785[07:54:51] <somiaj> yea, with shutdown/reboot/suspend, systemd will 'set the wall message -- whatever that means', then preform the requested action
• 786[07:55:18] <somiaj> so systemd is doing what it is designed to do, it is the privlage essiclation which is requring the password.
• 787[07:56:06] <somiaj> ahh the wall message is what is sent ot all users/terminals, such as 'system is shutting down' or 'system is rebooting', and this is not needed for a mount.
• 788[07:56:31] <somiaj> 'man wall' for more information, as that is what is being done.
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• 792[07:57:50] <edgrey> yeah, but i still don't get why i suddenly lost my privilegies to perform those actions without prompts
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• 794[07:58:17] <somiaj> edgrey: is it everytime now, or as you said only sometimes?
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• 797[07:59:44] <somiaj> as I mentioned it seems polkit will only escilate privlages under certain conditions. I'm unsure what these conditions are, but I saw somewhere that it wont' escilate for users via ssh. It might not esculate for virtual terminals pts/? in general, which is what most terminal emulators are. But I don't know polkit, I just think that is what needs to be configured.
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• 799[08:00:48] <BenNZ> edgrey: i would say have a look at the individual policies themselves
• 800[08:00:55] <edgrey> Now it's every time. I had those problems when was on testing branch, but some time ago i've switched the branch to stable.
• 801[08:01:17] <somiaj> edgrey: ps aux | grep polkit
• 802[08:01:33] <somiaj> Is the agent running, it should be running both as root, and for your current user.
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• 809[08:03:59] <edgrey> only root instance, good point
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• 811[08:04:29] <somiaj> seems the desktop is not autostarting the agent for your user, that could be the issue
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• 972[08:18:21] <awal1> ow
• 973[08:18:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o somiaj
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• 979[08:19:07] <darxmurf> lolz
• 980[08:19:12] <[ayecee]> hahaha
• 981[08:19:16] <Harpalus> tf…
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• 983[08:19:47] <Hydrastra> motherfuck
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• 987[08:20:06] <Hydrastra> masshighlighters are so fucking annoying...
• 988[08:20:12] <darxmurf> bah, kids like to play
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• 992[08:20:28] <[ayecee]> he has a point though. ##feminism is insane
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• 994[08:20:35] <somiaj> best to just ignore them, no need to add more noise.
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• 997[08:20:48] * [ayecee] ignores somiaj
• 998[08:21:00] <Hydrastra> some of us folks are trying to work
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• 1000[08:21:09] <Hydrastra> meh
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• 1009[08:26:05] <johnjay> Hydrastra: some of us are trying to spam apparently
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• 1011[08:26:25] <Hydrastra> <--not a spammer
• 1012[08:26:33] <Hydrastra> <--a very, very good girl
• 1013[08:26:34] <Hydrastra> :3
• 1014[08:26:50] <johnjay> well that may or may not be true. on the internet everybody is just a name.
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• 1016[08:27:02] <johnjay> an anonymous individual. just a cypher in... The Matrix
• 1017[08:27:40] <Hydrastra> true, but know that irc is 98% male dominated
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• 1019[08:27:58] <Hydrastra> the other 2% do exist
• 1020[08:28:00] <Hydrastra> :^)
• 1021[08:28:43] <darxmurf> irc gender statistics \o/
• 1022[08:28:52] <dionysus69> what s the c compiler I should use
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• 1024[08:29:06] <somiaj> And this still has nothing to do with debian support, please keep the noise down.
• 1025[08:29:11] <somiaj> dionysus69: gcc?
• 1026[08:29:14] <dionysus69> kk
• 1027[08:29:15] <johnjay> dionysus69: ccache
• 1028[08:29:26] <dionysus69> because theres gpp and g++ also
• 1029[08:29:33] <dionysus69> dunno which one's "default"
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• 1031[08:29:39] <somiaj> dionysus69: those are c++ compilers
• 1032[08:29:44] <dionysus69> oh I see
• 1033[08:29:46] <dionysus69> thanks xD
• 1034[08:29:59] <dionysus69> baby steps <back> into systems programming
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• 1040[08:32:51] <jim> can I ssb python-3.6 from either buster or sid?
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• 1043[08:34:10] <somiaj> jim: system scripts can depend on python, so it is usually suggested to not change the version of python in debian.
• 1044[08:34:26] <somiaj> jim: you can set up a local install of a different version of python in a python virtual enviroment.
• 1045[08:34:43] <somiaj> (well isolated, so you can use a different version in a python virtual enviroment, and leave the system one alone)
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• 1047[08:35:14] <jim> so to do that... do I have to build the pythong myself?
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• 1049[08:35:36] <somiaj> I think so, I have never done it, so unsure on the details.
• 1050[08:35:49] <somiaj> Someone may provide a precompiled version you could just use too.
• 1051[08:36:02] <jim> I did it a couple times in my home dir... guess I'll do that again
• 1052[08:36:04] <somiaj> I would look on google for guides.
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• 1054[08:36:23] <dionysus69> is there a c/c++ channel?
• 1055[08:36:31] <dionysus69> i have a question, unless I can ask it here xD
• 1056[08:36:35] <somiaj> dionysus69: yes, I think ##cpp
• 1057[08:36:40] <dionysus69> kk thx
• 1058[08:36:44] <johnjay> you can try ##c as well
• 1059[08:36:47] <somiaj> it is prefered you only ask debian support questions here.
• 1060[08:36:49] <johnjay> they have a wiki
• 1061[08:36:54] <jim> dionysus69, there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help\
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• 1063[08:37:27] <johnjay> what's the channel to figure out how to build debian packages for the next release?
• 1064[08:37:31] <johnjay> #debian-next?
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• 1066[08:37:53] <somiaj> johnjay: no. Have you read the debian new matainer's guide?
• 1067[08:37:56] <jim> well that channel is on irc.oftc.net
• 1068[08:38:10] <johnjay> somiaj: I didn't even know that was a thing. thanks
• 1069[08:38:19] <somiaj> johnjay: is your goal to learn how to build a .deb package, or to create a .deb package to try to get into debian?
• 1070[08:38:30] <somiaj> !dmg
• 1071[08:38:30] <dpkg> hmm... dmg is Apple Disk Image. If compressed (VAX COFF executable not stripped) use dmg2img, then mount -t hfsplus -o loop ... or <wodim>.
• 1072[08:38:35] <somiaj> !nmg
• 1073[08:38:35] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 1074[08:38:40] <johnjay> neither, more like how to build a deb package as the normal part of debian. but close enough
• 1075[08:39:38] <somiaj> johnjay: start with the new matainers guide. You can ask package building questions in #packaging on irc.oftc.net. Look up debian mentors, and the channel #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for getting a package in debian.
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• 1077[08:39:47] <somiaj> since you are new, I would start with the nmg and #packaging.
• 1078[08:39:58] <jim> johnjay, you can get debianized sources and build from that
• 1079[08:40:17] <johnjay> yeah it's a little confusing with similar channel names on both here and OFTC
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• 1082[08:40:43] <somiaj> johnjay: irc.oftc.net is the offical debian irc network. The only channel not on that network is this one. All other debian channels are on irc.oftc.net, not freenode
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• 1094[08:51:15] <Axtroz> Hello! Running debian-stable, but had to install a few packages from unstable to bump the versions. I've pinned all packages to release a=stable but apt-get upgrade wants to install everything from unstable. Is `upgrade` skipping the /etc/apt/preferences.d/* configuration?
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• 1168[09:33:57] <confrey> here a off-topic question : I wish to install debian on my lenovo, I already did that in the past, bu now the PC doesn't allow booting from USB; something is broken, it's not a secure boot problem, but I can't investigate so deep to solve this; may anybody help me?
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• 1196[09:44:17] <vahe> hi, can someone faced with this problem when you enable the live OS or systemrescue CD "selected boot device failed Press any key to reboot" I may be incorrectly added to the USB stick? ---- do as always #fdisk /dev/sdb and next dd if=/path of=iso always worked now stopped working dell latitude
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• 1206[09:49:01] <towo^work> vahe, dd if=/path/to/iso of=/device
• 1207[09:49:15] <vahe> aha
• 1208[09:49:52] <vahe> I was wrong I do d if=/path/to/iso of=/device
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• 1210[09:50:25] <vahe> towo^work: I have not written correctly but did as you said
• 1211[09:50:40] <towo^work> write the exact command
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• 1213[09:50:55] <towo^work> other wise no one can say, what's wrong
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• 1219[09:55:09] <vahe> towo^work: dd if=/path/of/fail.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=64K && sync
• 1220[09:55:21] <vahe> it doesn't work
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• 1225[10:01:07] <vahe> thanks i try I'll be back! :)
• 1226[10:01:16] <klys> vahe, do you have wodim?
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• 1228[10:01:30] <vahe> wodim? no
• 1229[10:01:40] <klys> well it can write iso's
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• 1232[10:02:16] <vahe> klys: cdrkit?
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• 1234[10:02:43] <klys> probably, vahe
• 1235[10:03:01] <vahe> amm ok i try thanks klys
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• 1291[10:32:36] <max123> hi. if i wanted to submit software to be part of debian release what is the process. can't find any links
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• 1295[10:37:22] <awal1> max123, ask #debian-mentors
• 1296[10:38:02] <Unit193> max123: Would you want to package it yourself?
• 1297[10:38:02] <max123> ok thanks
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• 1299[10:40:05] <max123> <Unit193>im willing to learn it, but i am not the owner. the owner has the code on github. i can contact him, im sure he has no objections.
• 1300[10:41:13] <max123> the code is electrum. we already have electrum for bitcoin, just need the electrum for litecoin
• 1301[10:42:53] <Unit193> ,v electrum
• 1302[10:42:54] <judd> Package: electrum on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.9.8-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9.8-4; jessie-backports: 2.7.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.7.9-1; buster: 2.9.3-1; sid: 2.9.3-1
• 1303[10:43:00] <Unit193> ,v litecoind
• 1304[10:43:01] <judd> Package: litecoind on amd64 -- sid: 0.13.2.1-1+b1
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• 1306[10:43:47] <max123> are you saying its already in the debian packages ?
• 1307[10:44:07] <Unit193> 'electrum' and 'src:litecoin' are, yes.
• 1308[10:45:25] <max123> does this mean the src litecoin needs to be made into a deb ?
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• 1310[10:45:49] <Unit193> litecoind and litecoin-qt are already installable in sid, so no.
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• 1316[10:54:21] <jelly> max123: electrum is what, some wallet thing with support for multiple currencies?
• 1317[10:54:43] <JustASlacker> isnt that this chrome based GUI thingy
• 1318[10:54:58] <Unit193> electron, I believe.
• 1319[10:55:02] <JustASlacker> ah, rite
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• 1321[10:56:08] <Unit193> I use neither so can't tell you much more, though.
• 1322[10:56:31] <max123> its a wallet for litecoin.
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• 1325[10:57:26] <max123> bitcoin has similar wallet. both are electrum software.
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• 1327[10:57:39] <jelly> but they're not built from the same source?
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• 1329[10:58:45] <jelly> max123: if they are, then check and file a Severity: wishlist bug report for existing electrum package
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• 1332[10:59:06] <max123> not same source. electrum ltc has its own repo. they probably share many simialr things except protocol is different for talking with the litecoin
• 1333[10:59:08] <jelly> max123: if it's different trees, check if someone's already filed a RFP, and if not, file one
• 1334[10:59:23] <jelly> !rfp
• 1335[10:59:24] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
• 1336[11:00:04] <jelly> judd: bug wnpp electrum-ltc
• 1337[11:00:05] <judd> Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found.
• 1338[11:00:29] <jelly> assuming you're talking about this thing at electrum-ltc.org
• 1339[11:02:16] <max123> i can see there is this. just checking its still up to date and maintained replaced-url
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• 1342[11:06:49] <jelly> that looks like the default wallet
• 1343[11:07:08] <jelly> (client really)
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• 1345[11:09:37] <max123> its looks like its start of year (not new). last stable was June 2017
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• 1355[11:16:34] <micw> hi
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• 1359[11:18:00] <micw> in stretch-backport is zfs-dkms in version 0.6.5.11 but spl-dkms in version 0.7.3. his breaks zfs-dkms during installation and/or upgrade since zfs-dkms requires a matching (or at least compatible) version of spl-dkms
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• 1376[11:35:38] <Ragnarok022> hi
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• 1404[11:57:49] <Nawab> ,v unetbootin
• 1405[11:57:51] <judd> Package: unetbootin on amd64 -- wheezy: 575-1
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• 1419[12:05:26] <matrix_architect> how can i remove kernel backport kernel and use default one?
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• 1421[12:07:06] <Iridos> micw, well, bug #881013
• 1422[12:07:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1424[12:08:38] <micw> Iridos, thank you. I found some other issues but not that one - so i created a new
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• 1428[12:09:17] <micw> unfortunately they fixed it only for the next release, not for the backport
• 1429[12:09:28] <micw> so the backport remains broken ;-(
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• 1436[12:13:51] <nobody> howdy
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• 1500[12:58:56] <darxmurf> hmm what's the difference between: if [[ <condition> || <condition ]]; then and if [[ <condition> ]] || [[ <condition ]]; then
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• 1523[13:15:00] <hever> Hello, is somebody familiar with PAM? I'm trying to set up an own LDAP auth via nginx and close to a solution. In my /etc/pam.d/nginx I'm specifying an own config file, but it seems wrong how I'm doing it: "PAM (nginx) illegal module type: config=/etc/pam_ldap_nginx.conf" Any ideas?
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• 1527[13:16:19] <hever> my pam config has just two lines: replaced-url
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• 1530[13:17:19] <rafalcpp> oh. yes, yuriescl
• 1531[13:17:34] <rafalcpp> something locks my X screen. how to disable that shit?
• 1532[13:17:51] <rafalcpp> any X session that is left for long it locking up and no way to unlock it
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• 1592[14:03:17] <Trieste> hi, if I have a bunch of .so files that I want to use, can I just put them in /usr/local/lib/foobar/ and expect the system to find them?
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• 1596[14:08:45] <ChrisH> Trieste: no.
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• 1599[14:10:55] <Trieste> ChrisH: Thanks!
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• 1604[14:18:42] <ChrisH> Trieste: man ldd or ldconfig should bring some ideas on how it works.
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• 1632[14:38:48] <jelly> Trieste: want to use for what?
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• 1638[14:43:40] <Trieste> jelly, proprietary Oracle DB drivers :(
• 1639[14:44:03] <Trieste> but I figured it out already, I just needed to add a line to /etc/ld.so.conf :)
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• 1644[14:46:59] <ChrisH> Trieste: with oracle you normally set LD_LIBRAY_PATH for oracle user, put it there
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• 1646[14:47:51] <ChrisH> together with all those ORACLE_XX stuff
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• 1651[14:50:43] <linurandy> Does debian 9 driver s for usb wifi mediatek MT7603E?
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• 1653[14:52:29] <jelly> Trieste: oracle drivers for which language?
• 1654[14:53:14] <jelly> you can easily convert instantclient-basic or instantclient rpm to deb with alien
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• 1658[14:53:40] <dutchfish> linurandy, i am not sure if current kernel does that, but latest kernel does for sure, take a peak at replaced-url
• 1659[14:55:00] <dutchfish> linurandy, also replaced-url
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• 1661[14:55:17] <Trieste> jelly, python; I completely forgot about alien
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• 1664[14:56:00] <dutchfish> linurandy, at least it need a firmware blob
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• 1666[14:56:34] <linurandy> dutchfish: what is firmware blob?
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• 1668[14:57:03] <dutchfish> linurandy, a piece of firmware that should be loaded before the kernel driver can use it.
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• 1670[14:57:34] <dutchfish> !firmware
• 1671[14:57:34] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
• 1672[14:57:43] <Trieste> linurandy, "blob" meaning an opaque binary, typically proprietary
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• 1674[14:58:18] <cerealkill3r> Hello guys. I have a problem, my wifi just stopped working. I had the ath10k drivers installed. But once i rebooted they are gone
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• 1677[15:00:24] <dutchfish> linurandy, to avoid alot of trouble, either use a more up2date kernel (think bpo or debian backports) or use a better supported wifi dongle, some of those work out of the box. Be ready for a rough ride, if you want to pull this one off.
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• 1683[15:05:26] <castleguard> do you guys have a preferred torrenting client (ideally lightweight)
• 1684[15:05:34] <castleguard> deluge is what I use on windows
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• 1686[15:05:50] <AWindowsKrill> transmission
• 1687[15:05:59] <Trieste> castleguard, I prefer qbittorrent but this is a bit out of scope
• 1688[15:06:00] <tw> None of them are lightweight, really. Once you start storing blocks in ram, it grows in size pretty quickly.
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• 1690[15:07:32] <tw> rtorrent is what I used to use because it has rpc control. I bet tehre's a number of clients that are better now.
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• 1692[15:07:55] <Trieste> castleguard, you can use deluge on debian too ;)
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• 1694[15:08:04] <castleguard> ty guys
• 1695[15:09:25] <dutchfish> tw, if this is to get the large debian installer images, you might also want to consider jigdo, that is pretty lightweight and extremely flexiable in avoiding downloading multiple times the same stuff.
• 1696[15:09:32] <jelly> Trieste: ah, if it were perl you'd be able to use packaged libdbd-oracle-perl
• 1697[15:09:51] <castleguard> trying to stream a t.v. show that isn't very popular (BBC's Monarchy)
• 1698[15:10:00] <castleguard> so trying to download instead
• 1699[15:10:06] <castleguard> ARRRR!
• 1700[15:10:19] <castleguard> Thanks for the help guys
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• 1711[15:17:15] <xoritor> ok, i have been a red hat distro user for the last 15+ years and i am looking to try out debian... any good docs for me to read up on?
• 1712[15:18:17] <jelly> xoritor: debian-handbook, perhaps?
• 1713[15:18:26] <xoritor> jelly, reading that now
• 1714[15:18:28] <xoritor> ;-)
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• 1718[15:19:55] <dutchfish> xoritor, specially pay attention to the packaging system, alot is LFS, you will do fine then
• 1719[15:20:48] <xoritor> i believe i have read that debain moved to systemd as of 9.x and the docs seem to uphold that
• 1720[15:20:55] <dutchfish> true
• 1721[15:21:27] <dutchfish> abd even more in the upcoming release aka Buster
• 1722[15:21:30] <xoritor> what is the primary boot loader, i know there is choice... but which one is used most (hence has more information available on how to use it)
• 1723[15:21:52] <dutchfish> xoritor, you mean grub2?
• 1724[15:22:15] <xoritor> amount is not an issue really... just looking to see if i need to relearn another way of init
• 1725[15:22:19] <dutchfish> xoritor, and lots of moving targets in relation to secure boot
• 1726[15:22:20] <jelly> xoritor: systemd has been default init since debian 8
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• 1728[15:22:45] <xoritor> grub2, lilo, syslinux, systemd-boot, etc... just not sure which is mostly used here
• 1729[15:22:55] <xoritor> jelly, shows how much i know ;-)
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• 1733[15:23:38] <dutchfish> xoritor, replaced-url
• 1734[15:23:45] <jelly> grub2 is default on x86 pc machines; be it efi or mbr variant depending on what the installer detects
• 1735[15:23:46] <xoritor> i am also looking for information on how networking is setup
• 1736[15:23:52] <jelly> !interfaces
• 1737[15:23:52] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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• 1739[15:24:14] <luxpir> PC thinks that 3rd monitor (projector) is the primary monitor BEFORE X loads, after I messed up an xrandr command earlier.
• 1740[15:24:16] <xoritor> and that is pretty much exactly what i was looking for... thanks
• 1741[15:24:22] <dutchfish> jelly, that factoid needs updating (or soon) i gues
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• 1743[15:24:53] <xoritor> dutchfish, thanks for the info on the bootloader... that helps me get my head in the right place ;-)
• 1744[15:25:01] <dutchfish> yw
• 1745[15:25:35] <jelly> to what, "it's /e/n/interfaces unless it's NetworkManager, unless it's systemd-networkd" ?
• 1746[15:25:55] * jelly has no idea what buster is going to get by default
• 1747[15:26:00] <dutchfish> jelly, at least the ifup/ifdown part
• 1748[15:26:22] <dutchfish> jelly, its all systemd now (buster)
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• 1752[15:26:44] <dutchfish> jelly, and changes for dynamic resolv.conf
• 1753[15:26:53] <dutchfish> jelly, same for routes
• 1754[15:27:42] <dutchfish> jelly, but a miriad of changes that helps alot in doing stuff, like bounds, virtual ifaces and vlanning
• 1755[15:28:07] <dutchfish> jelly, also ipv6
• 1756[15:28:09] <xoritor> i hope its not NetworkManager
• 1757[15:28:11] <xoritor> heh
• 1758[15:28:18] <luxpir> anyone got pre-boot monitor settings location?
• 1759[15:28:29] <luxpir> not pre-boot, pre-login
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• 1762[15:28:55] <dutchfish> xoritor, well, it depends, you can completely omit networkmanager, but i just have learned to cooop with it, things got tiedied up in Buster for that one too.
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• 1766[15:30:15] <dutchfish> xoritor, for server side stuff, i dont use it, for desktop use, i prefer it.
• 1767[15:31:54] <xoritor> to be fair, networkmanager has gotten much better over the years, so much so that with bash completion nmcli is actually useful at times
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• 1769[15:33:06] * dutchfish nods
• 1770[15:33:23] <xoritor> but then i was working for red hat when it first came out
• 1771[15:33:56] <xoritor> at that time it was not very fun to use, and i didnt have much choice... that sort of colored my view
• 1772[15:33:56] <dutchfish> well, its a tool, use it, when needed, if not ... ommit it
• 1773[15:34:11] * xoritor can admit his own issues
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• 1778[15:35:17] <xoritor> does the use of networkmanager also imply firewalld?
• 1779[15:35:20] <dutchfish> Iridos, bookmarked
• 1780[15:35:38] <xoritor> i know they are different, but they can integrate to a degree
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• 1798[15:47:35] <luxpir> anyone got console monitor settings ideas? Found this: replaced-url
• 1799[15:47:43] <luxpir> but hoping there's an easier way
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• 1805[15:50:56] <tw> that seems pretty easy actually.
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• 1808[15:52:31] <luxpir> despite many years on linux, I've never dealt with framebuffer mapping, so a little out of my depth tw
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• 1810[15:54:11] <tw> extra command line options can be specified in /etc/default/grub, pick the monitor you want from /proc/fb, the doc on kernel.org explains what it does.
• 1811[15:55:14] <luxpir> thx tw my proc/fb is empty when I cat it, so not sure about which monitor to pick yet
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• 1814[15:56:13] <luxpir> thx also for grub options file - just coming around to finding that via replaced-url
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• 1818[15:58:09] <luxpir> so are you saying the simple line fbcon=map:0 would go in the grub file? under which setting? the grub_cmdline_linux="" line looks like a good candidate...
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• 1839[16:16:55] <luxpir> yeah, just struggling to see which monitor the fb is currently attached to
• 1840[16:17:10] <luxpir> cat /proc/fb is showing up empty
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• 1855[16:32:40] <somiaj> luxpir: frame buffers are kinda a thing of the past. Most modern chipsets use kms drivers, which only emulates framebuffers
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• 1858[16:33:38] <somiaj> Usually kms drivers set the console based off the edid of the monintors. I'm unsure how to manually set this with kms, but I find info on the net is hard to find because there is so much stuff about framebuffers which is outdated.
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• 1860[16:34:55] <luxpir> somiaj: ok, that might explain it. def struggling here, no idea why the machine has decided that monitor 3 is the new boot/console monitor. I did plug in a new usb keyb, and also did some funky xrandr calls. something somewhere is borked.
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• 1862[16:35:17] <tsukuyomi> hi whats the best music player for debian?
• 1863[16:35:25] <somiaj> !best
• 1864[16:35:25] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 1865[16:35:28] <luxpir> tsukuyomi: command line or gui?
• 1866[16:35:35] <tsukuyomi> luxpir: both are ok :)
• 1867[16:35:41] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: I personally like mpv, mplayer is the old standard. vlc is very popular, and there are a handfull of others.
• 1868[16:35:42] <luxpir> cmus or banshee?
• 1869[16:35:44] <tsukuyomi> somiaj: my bad :)
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• 1871[16:36:19] <somiaj> though these are full media players that do video and music, there are some simpler things for music.
• 1872[16:36:29] <tw> tsukuyomi: mpd if you just want it floating in the background all the time with disconnectable gui.
• 1873[16:37:05] <somiaj> if youw ant a more server program, mpd is very popluar, as it runs in the back ground and can be configured by various apps.
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• 1875[16:37:23] <somiaj> xmms2 might be worth looking into, loosely based of of xms an very old popular music only player.
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• 1879[16:38:14] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: in debian lots of times there is multiple software that will do the same thing, you may want to try different ones out and figure out what is 'best' for you.
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• 1884[16:39:09] <jelly> tsukuyomi: clearly the answer is clementine
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• 1887[16:40:40] <tw> libmpv with a custom qt wrapper and mqtt rpc integration <.<
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• 1890[16:41:03] <teraflops> tw: youre describing bomi :P
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• 1893[16:41:32] <tsukuyomi> jelly: Ok
• 1894[16:41:33] <teraflops> their ipc is weird
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• 1897[16:42:39] <somiaj> tw: I use my own python frontend to mpv using its scoket api.
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• 1899[16:42:42] <tw> I actually just bridge the libmpv events into mqtt messages and back. It's like 200 lines of code to glue them together like that.
• 1900[16:43:07] <tsukuyomi> thx somiaj tw jelly
• 1901[16:43:14] <teraflops> mpv IPC is handy as hell
• 1902[16:43:24] <tw> super nice. those guys did a great job.
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• 1904[16:43:45] <tsukuyomi> somiaj: how can I learn the !commands ?
• 1905[16:44:47] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: replaced-url
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• 1910[16:48:05] <luxpir> somiaj: testing this: replaced-url
• 1911[16:48:40] <somiaj> luxpir: unsure, with kms I have never been disapointed with how it uses my EDID, so I haven't ever looked into the proper way to set the console stuff via kms.
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• 1920[16:56:11] <luxpir> somiaj: yeah no dice. will try with 3rd moni unplugged, see if it 'remembers' the following time
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• 1922[16:58:17] <somiaj> luxpir: are these monintors all on the same gpu, or seperate cards?
• 1923[16:59:29] <luxpir> same gpu
• 1924[16:59:43] <somiaj> what gpu/video driver si being used?
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• 1930[17:03:52] <luxpir> nvidia gtx1050ti, nvidia drivers iirc
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• 1932[17:04:25] <somiaj> the non-free nvidia blobs could be an issue why stuff you find isn't working. They do support kms, but do things in their own way.
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• 1936[17:06:06] <soul-d> what is the gui app for firewall management on debian ?
• 1937[17:06:20] <luxpir> hmm ok, appreciate that somiaj
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• 1950[17:13:27] <somiaj> luxpir: you could check the nvidia forums and/or post your issue there. Maybe the nvidia people can help.
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• 1955[17:17:02] <simulant_> hi sorry to be an idiot but I pressed to skip network setup during debian jessie install. Now I have no internet and no idea how to add network support! any help really appreciated? I've added my network settings to /etc/network/interfaces but i just get unknown host when I try ping. ifconfig gives command unknown etc...
• 1956[17:17:32] <simulant_> is there some way to run the initial network setup wizard again after install or add network support please?
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• 1959[17:18:33] <simulant_> ifupdown also gives command not found too
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• 1962[17:19:37] <ksk> do you have dhcp service around?
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• 1965[17:20:11] <simulant_> ksk: that's why I skipped it as I only have a static IP and was reinstalling so I thought I could just add the settings back later after
• 1966[17:20:50] <simulant_> ksk: I thought just adding back my old /etc/network/interfaces file from previous would be enough but I was massively wrong. wondering if I'll have to reinstall now?
• 1967[17:21:02] <ksk> simulant_: server? no network-manager etc installed? go edit /etc/network/interfaces with an editor and do "service networking restart" (maybe you need to reboot, depends on the state the network is in right now)
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• 1969[17:21:23] <ksk> simulant_: that should do the trick
• 1970[17:21:24] <simulant_> ksk: yeah on a server. rebooting hasn't helped either...
• 1971[17:21:32] <ksk> did you check the devices have the right name?
• 1972[17:21:53] <ksk> for exampel this might change between releases, in the days it was called "eth0", but now rather "en0", no?
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• 1975[17:22:46] <ksk> if not, do nopaste replaced-url
• 1976[17:23:27] <ksk> mii-tool output might be handy, too.
• 1977[17:25:39] <Tarrasquero> simulant_: ls /sys/class/net
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• 1980[17:27:10] <Tarrasquero> oO
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• 2009[17:55:54] <CosmicSoundS> Good day, I have a pc running i386 and lately found out microsoft changed skype to amd64 version only, how can I move from i386 and also add fo skype amd64 without complicating the OS.
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• 2015[17:59:00] <dutchfish> CosmicSoundS, for what it is worth, does your current system support X86/64? if so, either reinstall or use multiarch if you definitely need older i386 bin's. See: replaced-url
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• 2020[18:00:34] <dutchfish> CosmicSoundS, 64bit is the preferred option nowadays.
• 2021[18:01:15] <jelly> !lm
• 2022[18:01:15] <dpkg> lm is, like, "long mode" (replaced-url
• 2023[18:01:37] <jelly> CosmicSoundS: ^^ does this grep command show any output?
• 2024[18:01:39] <Tarrasquero> # dpkg --add-architecture <arquitectura>
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• 2026[18:02:17] <jelly> maybe establish hw support first before suggesting multiarch
• 2027[18:02:17] <Tarrasquero> replaced-url
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• 2029[18:02:52] <jelly> Tarrasquero: and that does not say they WILL have to install and boot an amd64 kernel first.
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• 2032[18:03:20] <CosmicSoundS> jelly: will have to try this one
• 2033[18:03:35] <CosmicSoundS> I do not have that pc with me now, yet thanks a lot!
• 2034[18:04:20] <jelly> if there's no output, your CPU does not support 64bit mode (or it's disabled in BIOS); if there's output you might be able to add amd64 support via multiarch
• 2035[18:04:37] <geejay> it's a machine
• 2036[18:04:57] <jelly> CosmicSoundS: but that complicates things. The simplest set up would be accomplished by installing amd64 if your system is capable
• 2037[18:05:01] <Tarrasquero> I never tried from 32 to 64 vice versa if
• 2038[18:05:47] <jelly> it works
• 2039[18:06:08] * jelly too lazy to reinstall
• 2040[18:06:45] <geejay> if ur running a 64bit on a 32bit machine it will not run at a 64 bit system
• 2041[18:07:22] <jelly> geejay: hardware support is a prequisite.
• 2042[18:07:36] <geejay> who's running 9.2
• 2043[18:07:41] <CosmicSoundS> yes my cpu needs to support amd64
• 2044[18:07:44] <CosmicSoundS> i guess it does
• 2045[18:07:56] <Tarrasquero> 23/5000
• 2046[18:07:57] <Tarrasquero> Quizás quisiste decir: según no hay problema
• 2047[18:08:09] <Tarrasquero> according to 23/5000 no problem
• 2048[18:08:09] <Tarrasquero> Quizás quisiste decir: según no hay problema
• 2049[18:08:14] <jelly> ?
• 2050[18:08:26] <Tarrasquero> according to: replaced-url
• 2051[18:08:34] <Tarrasquero> sry
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• 2054[18:09:44] <geejay> never said it would no work just said on a 32bit you wont get the 64bit performance
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• 2066[18:15:31] <jelly> geejay: on a 64bit capable CPU, a piece of amd64 software will work the same as on a full amd64 installation
• 2067[18:16:11] <jelly> it's literally the same kernel and package and dependencies.
• 2068[18:16:48] <jelly> on a non-capable cpu one would have to employ emulation; we did not discuss that at all
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• 2079[18:26:30] <timeless> i've hit replaced-url
• 2080[18:26:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2098[18:42:13] <jelly> timeless: if there's a known workaround, someone usually mentions it in the bug report
• 2099[18:42:37] <timeless> jelly: unless i missed something there didn't appear to be any reply
• 2100[18:42:48] <timeless> not even a cross link between the debian BTS and the apache one
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• 2102[18:43:05] <timeless> sadly, restarting apache seems to have resulted in the problem going away :-(
• 2103[18:43:18] <dutchfish> timeless, first paragraph replaced-url
• 2104[18:43:21] <jelly> timeless: then get rid of access_compat (it's really buggy) and migrate your config to 2.4 stuff
• 2105[18:43:59] <timeless> dutchfish: sorry, what i meant was "restarting followed by reload didn't result in it being unhappy anymore"
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• 2107[18:44:13] <timeless> i presume that `systemctl reload apache2` counts as a `graceful`
• 2108[18:44:27] <dutchfish> timeless, yes, that produces the bug
• 2109[18:44:43] <timeless> dutchfish: anyway, for me, that no longer produces the bug
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• 2111[18:45:05] <jelly> so does your apache work after that or not?
• 2112[18:45:16] <timeless> yes it works w/o disabling the module
• 2113[18:45:25] <dutchfish> timeless, ok, good to know, i assume you have ocmpletely upgraded userland after the dist-upgrade and no leftovers like old libs?
• 2114[18:45:32] <timeless> yep
• 2115[18:45:39] <jelly> timeless: where do you want to go from there, then?
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• 2117[18:46:23] <timeless> am i right in thinking that the dbts didn't link to the apache bts?
• 2118[18:46:37] <jelly> I'm not even sure it's the same issue.
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• 2120[18:47:17] <jelly> debian's packaging does service stop and service start during a package upgrade.
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• 2124[18:48:28] <dutchfish> timeless, jelly my own expirience was, that a complete reboot solved the problem and controlling apache2 by systemd like a reload or restart works again. I think it is due to libc6 which got quiet some bugs accumilated.
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• 2126[18:48:50] <jelly> timeless: and stop is done before the old files are removed and replaced with newer ones, so the issue from the upstream report you linked should never happen on debian
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• 2129[18:50:32] <jelly> dutchfish: so you experienced "systemctl stop apache" during old package prerm did not stop the service?
• 2130[18:50:45] <dutchfish> jelly, exactly
• 2131[18:51:02] <jelly> I'd say that's a separate bug
• 2132[18:51:08] <dutchfish> yes
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• 2135[18:53:02] <dutchfish> jelly, not tested, but the old way problaby would not work as root - before the reboot - i.e. service apache2 stop is being used in the postinstall.
• 2136[18:53:27] <jelly> what old way?
• 2137[18:53:27] <dutchfish> jelly, and syslog shows that
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• 2139[18:54:00] <dutchfish> jelly, using service apache2 stop instead of systemctl stop apache2
• 2140[18:54:21] <dutchfish> (after the dist-upgrade before the reboot)
• 2141[18:54:49] <dutchfish> because the system still relies on the old libc6
• 2142[18:55:05] <dutchfish> but i could be wrong
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• 2145[18:56:14] <dutchfish> jelly, and yes mod_access_compat is buggy anyway
• 2146[18:56:32] <jelly> I've upgraded apache probably hundreds of times and unlike mysql-server, don't remember ever seeing leftover processes
• 2147[18:57:16] <dutchfish> jelly, fair enough, but this one only (as far as i have seen) happens with mod_access.
• 2148[18:57:45] <dutchfish> jelly, but easy enough to solve
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• 2152[18:59:52] <dutchfish> fyi there are more postinstall scripts that rely on the old 'service' invoation, not only this one (dist-upgrade->stretch)
• 2153[19:00:01] <dutchfish> invocation*
• 2154[19:00:32] <dutchfish> but i learned to life with it
• 2155[19:00:34] <jelly> all should use invoke-rc.d, and that calls whatever
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• 2157[19:00:52] <dutchfish> true
• 2158[19:01:18] <dutchfish> or at least i think that is still in place
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• 2169[19:08:36] <dutchfish> the latest jessie postinst replaced-url
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• 2171[19:10:30] <dutchfish> and the one from stretch (apache2) replaced-url
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• 2177[19:14:58] <dutchfish> i have looked at it before, but my head quickly turns to spin.
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• 2180[19:17:32] <sarthe> yay. did an aptitude -> u, g, and updated my system and ONCE AGAIN since about version 5, sound no longer works.
• 2181[19:17:51] <sarthe> this time i was smart though and force removed pulseaudio!
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• 2183[19:19:22] <sarthe> lsmod | grep hda_intel
• 2184[19:19:23] <sarthe> snd_hda_intel 26371 9
• 2185[19:19:46] <sarthe> alsamixer pretends to be doing its thing... so... what now?
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• 2194[19:23:17] <timeless> dutchfish: thanks for supporting me in not feeling crazy
• 2195[19:23:33] <sarthe> really? no ones gonna give me an alsactl command to unmute some wierd setting pulseaudio muted before i got around to telling it to fuck off?
• 2196[19:23:36] <castleguard> can I try to /msg someone here?
• 2197[19:23:38] <timeless> btw, did debian's apache upgraded automatically enable this strange module for me?
• 2198[19:23:42] <castleguard> just to test my irc client>?
• 2199[19:23:45] <timeless> castleguard: sure
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• 2202[19:24:02] <inSync> castleguard: go for it
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• 2204[19:24:09] <dutchfish> timeless, you are certainly not; i will delve into this, it is on my todo list.
• 2205[19:24:14] <timeless> awesome
• 2206[19:24:23] <castleguard> timeless: thanks, please let me know if you received it... I tried to send .... (insync thanks anyways)
• 2207[19:24:38] <timeless> i got one message and sent one ack
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• 2209[19:25:42] <dutchfish> but kudos to the ones that made this possible, ie source.debian.org
• 2210[19:25:57] <timeless> you mean sources ;-)
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• 2212[19:26:13] <dutchfish> timeless, yes (oops)
• 2213[19:26:14] * timeless has run similar services in prior incarnations
• 2214[19:26:23] <timeless> incredibly helpful for debugging stuff like this
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• 2216[19:26:32] * dutchfish nods
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• 2219[19:28:46] <mtn> sarthe: when you had pulseaudio, did you try using pavucontrol to fix your sound issues?
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• 2221[19:29:55] <sarthe> mtn, no. pulseaudio is a piece of crap and i immediately remove it on sight, because it always screws alsa up.
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• 2223[19:30:07] <inSync> lol
• 2224[19:30:12] <sarthe> case in point: root@animal:/usr/src# amixer
• 2225[19:30:13] <sarthe> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
• 2226[19:30:15] <mtn> sarthe: no, pulseaudio is fine, but good luck
• 2227[19:30:24] <sarthe> why is it 0? ffs
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• 2229[19:31:23] <sarthe> ugh. lets see, is the amixer man page readable enough for me to fix that...
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• 2231[19:31:37] <teraflops> sarthe: youre talking nonsese, but youre free to do such things
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• 2235[19:32:44] <sarthe> likewise windos kiddo.
• 2236[19:33:39] <teraflops> sarthe: this is a support channel we cannot fix stupidity
• 2237[19:34:23] <sarthe> how about fixing your screwup with the sound then? it worked before the update.
• 2238[19:34:43] <sarthe> or are you just going to be an arsehole
• 2239[19:35:38] <sarthe> also, shit. the ,0 is for the sound device according to man page. "Master" is set at 87. damn.
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• 2251[19:37:29] <sarthe> odd that it says "Mono" though. intel sound chips are bad, but not that bad.
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• 2253[19:37:48] <sarthe> Mono: Playback 87 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
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• 2271[19:45:24] <sarthe> hmm. well pulseaudio is stopped (for now. it keeps trying to restart), all the hidden alsa settings are on, the driver is loaded. now what?
• 2272[19:47:20] * sarthe checks the amp and plugs again...
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• 2275[19:48:53] <ksalman> I am trying to install new fonts. As I understand it, all I have to do is put the files in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache. I did that but fc-list still doesn't show the fonts
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• 2277[19:48:56] <sarthe> standard 3+A unfiltered noise from unplugging and replugging to the computer. check.
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• 2283[19:51:04] <sarthe> depends on the kind of fonts i guess, and i only have done it systemwide, so...
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• 2285[19:52:14] <sarthe> if theyre ttf, you need to run some extra command i think.
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• 2287[19:53:24] <ksalman> they are ttf
• 2288[19:54:24] <ksalman> hm..
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• 2290[19:54:47] <ksalman> I do have permissions to install systemwide but I was hoping to not have to do that. I might not have systemwide access on some system =)
• 2291[19:55:37] <sarthe> i doubt you need it, but iirc you still need to run this extra command... everyone who knows anything is away right now.
• 2292[19:56:32] <sarthe> the command 'incorporates' and refactors the ttf into a way debian font system can understand.
• 2293[19:57:17] <ksalman> huh i did not know that
• 2294[19:57:34] <sarthe> actually, if youre willing to just restart X11, just add the path to the font section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf hah!
• 2295[19:57:59] <sarthe> X11 does it automatically.
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• 2297[19:59:06] <sarthe> Section "Files"
• 2298[19:59:28] <sarthe> FontPath "yourdirectory"
• 2299[19:59:32] <sarthe> EndSection
• 2300[19:59:42] <sarthe> :)
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• 2308[20:03:39] <jelly> ksalman: does fc-list show _any_ fonts from your user's home? fc-list |grep $HOME
• 2309[20:04:56] <SuperTramp83> sarthe: which version of Debian is this?
• 2310[20:05:39] <sarthe> hell if i know, ask ksalman.
• 2311[20:05:58] <sarthe> the X11 thing has worked since xorg took over though.
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• 2314[20:06:07] <Janni> Hello!
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• 2316[20:06:29] <SuperTramp83> sarthe: I was asking about the one having audio issues, that is, yours..
• 2317[20:06:47] <Janni> I'd like to ask for some help with my secondary debian installation. It is in a weird state and doesn't boot anymore. Here's what (I think) happened...
• 2318[20:06:48] <sarthe> SuperTramp83, oh. jessie. with backports.
• 2319[20:07:19] <ksalman> SuperTramp83: Debian jessie
• 2320[20:07:23] <sarthe> 8.9 if youre not a retard.
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• 2323[20:07:55] <SuperTramp83> sarthe: I am asking because I had the same issue and on several differnet hardware with Jessie (no issue at all with Stretch). Purging pulseaudio and rebooting always jsut fixed it without any additional effort on my side.
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• 2325[20:08:28] <ksalman> jelly: fc-list doesn't show any fonts from my homedir. When i run fc-cache it says
• 2326[20:08:31] <ksalman> /u/ksalman/.fonts: skipping, existing cache is valid: 0 fonts, 0 dirs
• 2327[20:08:31] <sarthe> hmm. rebooting... i dont like that idea, but I suppose...
• 2328[20:08:34] <ksalman> /u/ksalman/.fonts: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs
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• 2330[20:09:00] <SuperTramp83> sarthe: reboot, yes.
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• 2332[20:09:23] <jelly> ksalman: that's weird. Are permissions sane? ls -ld $HOME $HOME/.fonts $HOME/.fonts/your.ttf
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• 2334[20:09:53] <Janni> It was a i386 installation. In /etc/apt/sources.list I used the repository testing for everything. After updating all my packages with aptitude my system would no longer boot. I guess i386 and amd64 packages got mixed up. At least I see that amongst the installed packages there are ones marked with amd64, all, and i386. Is that already a problem?
• 2335[20:09:59] <sarthe> SuperTramp83, thanks for the experience. i might wait until a power failure or so... (we get them often here)
• 2336[20:10:18] <SuperTramp83> sarthe: heh, yw.
• 2337[20:10:36] <ksalman> jelly: they seem sane to me =) replaced-url
• 2338[20:11:00] <Janni> I have an amd64 CPU but I decided to stick with the i386 installation since I didn't want to go through the trouble to reinstall (and switching architecture seems difficult).
• 2339[20:11:22] <jelly> lstanley: yeah. Just for fun, replace spaces in filenames with _ and try fc-cache -v again?
• 2340[20:11:31] <jelly> ksalman: yeah. Just for fun, replace spaces in filenames with _ and try fc-cache -v again?
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• 2342[20:11:38] <Janni> So, in order to get this system running again do I have to make sure that ALL the packages are i386/all?
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• 2344[20:12:17] <jelly> Janni: which debian release did you start with, before adding/setting repos for testing?
• 2345[20:12:23] <Janni> Is it possible that by sticking with the testing branch I made an involuntary switch to amd64? (as i386 is no longer supported)
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• 2347[20:12:43] <jelly> Janni: i386 is definitely still supported
• 2348[20:12:53] <Janni> jelly: I've been sticking with testing for a long time (5 years?) but haven't done any upgrades for a year or so.
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• 2350[20:13:31] <ksalman> jelly: that didn't make a difference =(
• 2351[20:13:49] <jelly> Janni: so you did an upgrade from stretch pre-release to buster, it's quite possible it just broke things
• 2352[20:14:43] <Janni> OK. So if I have a kernel panic, that tells me it can't find or execute initrd (I think /bin/sh was also involved), what would you say I could do to fix it?
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• 2355[20:15:09] <Janni> I suppose making sure that they're all installed for the same architecture or something...
• 2356[20:15:33] <sarthe> doesnt matter.
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• 2358[20:16:41] <sarthe> you can do 1/2 32bit, 1/2 64 bit if you want. i forget the option (since i switched to 64 bit long ago), but its available in apt.conf
• 2359[20:16:47] <jelly> Janni: boot a liveusb/livecd, mount your system, try to rebuild initramfs
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• 2363[20:18:12] <Janni> If I'm in a chroot environment, is `dpkg --print-architecture` possibly wrong?
• 2364[20:18:21] <jelly> no
• 2365[20:18:26] <Janni> Could aptitude get confused as to which packages it should install?
• 2366[20:18:33] <jelly> also no
• 2367[20:18:40] <sarthe> very likely
• 2368[20:18:47] <jelly> sarthe: for $DEITY's sake, if you're not well versed in a subject can I suggest to please stop offering partial or bad advice
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• 2370[20:19:18] <jelly> aptitude cannot decide the installation is suddenly a different deb arch on its own
• 2371[20:19:29] <Janni> OK, thanks.
• 2372[20:19:33] <sarthe> chroot cant access /etc/apt and /var/lib/dpkg dumbarse.
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• 2374[20:19:51] <Janni> sarthe: why not?
• 2375[20:19:58] <sarthe> man chroot
• 2376[20:20:05] <sarthe> or.. heh RTFM
• 2377[20:20:12] <Janni> sarthe: What does it mean "can't access"?
• 2378[20:20:19] <jelly> Janni: I think they mean something other than you mounted the system and chrooted into it
• 2379[20:20:27] <jelly> by "chroot"
• 2380[20:20:27] <Janni> sarte: which /etc/apt? The inner one or the outer one?
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• 2385[20:21:21] <sarthe> if you chroot, you get no access to the disk outside of your designated directory. therefore, you probably wont be able to access those directories
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• 2387[20:21:58] <jelly> sarthe: they have booted a different linux, mounted their broken debian somewhere, and chrooted into there
• 2388[20:22:03] <sarthe> yeah, thats the thing. which one are you interested in?
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• 2390[20:22:09] <Janni> sarthe: that's fine I'm only concerned about the client system.
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• 2392[20:22:43] <jelly> clearly they're dealing with the broken system, they don't care about fixing the thing they temporarily booted
• 2393[20:23:40] <sarthe> Janni, then it should be fine
• 2394[20:23:49] <fossrox> hi everyone, i just had a very worrying experience with thunderbird in debian, where i should ask for its developers help?
• 2395[20:24:06] <jelly> Janni: also, look at contents of /boot, if you have any other kernel+initrd matching, you might try picking one of those in the boot loader and boot them
• 2396[20:24:16] <sarthe> assuming you somehow did a proper install
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• 2398[20:25:22] <sarthe> what was it? dpkg-set-selections? or something... that ex-perl script you get on installing?
• 2399[20:25:31] <jelly> sarthe: seriously, just stop
• 2400[20:25:42] <jelly> you're not making sense
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• 2402[20:26:01] <sarthe> it says [x] Desktop environment [ ] Print server etc..
• 2403[20:26:21] <sarthe> jelly will you stfu? whats wrong with you?
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• 2409[20:29:26] <jelly> Janni: so identify the kernel that boots by default, and use update-initramfs
• 2410[20:30:39] <dutchfish> fossrox, my best bet is mozilla irc see: replaced-url
• 2411[20:30:58] <Janni> Alright. Thanks. Right now I'm focused on the struggle to get aptitude under control. For some reason it proposes a hell of a lot of package updates which it cannot perform because of a myriad of conflicts...
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• 2413[20:31:29] <jelly> Janni: that's quite normal on a testing installation that hasn't been updated in a year, across releases
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• 2415[20:32:06] <jelly> Janni: in fact you subscribed to crap like that when you chose "testing" instead of a specific codename
• 2416[20:32:22] <Janni> Alright, but I updated it yesterday, successfully. Then it wouldn't boot. Why would there be hundreds of new package versions today?
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• 2418[20:33:07] <jelly> hard to say without looking at output of said update (or the logs)
• 2419[20:33:36] <Janni> jelly: OK. Haven't done that yet. That could help to get some clarity (of what silly things I've done).
• 2420[20:33:45] <Janni> s/of/on/
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• 2422[20:34:14] <jelly> in any case, since you're on testing, if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces!
• 2423[20:34:26] <fossrox> dutchfish: thanks!
• 2424[20:34:31] <jelly> and this channel mainly deals with stable these days, so
• 2425[20:34:33] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2426[20:34:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2427[20:34:42] <dutchfish> fossrox, yw
• 2428[20:35:18] <Janni> jelly: I see. What do you mean by "get to keep all the pieces" though?
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• 2430[20:35:34] <Janni> (it seems to me you mean something quite specific by it.)
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• 2437[20:37:44] <Janni> OK. What happens if I boot an i386 kernel? It wouldn't succeed in executing 64-bit binaries I suppose?
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• 2440[20:38:06] <Janni> (even though it's running on an amd64 CPU)
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• 2450[20:43:21] <matrix_architect> does ryzen chips have defect on GNU/Linux?
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• 2452[20:44:16] <jelly> Janni: correct
• 2453[20:44:41] <jelly> any amd64 foreign arch stuff install just won't work
• 2454[20:44:47] <jelly> installed*
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• 2459[20:46:24] <jelly> Janni: [keep all the pieces] it's a quote, oft paraphrased around debian, eg. in sid faq
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• 2475[20:59:10] <sarthe> ffs debian what did you do to my audio?!
• 2476[21:00:31] <Zharf> it was poettering
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• 2478[21:00:55] <sarthe> and my web browser. what the hell is iceweasel -> firefox ESR??
• 2479[21:01:26] <Zharf> firefox stopped being silly about its logo
• 2480[21:01:28] <sarthe> seriously whats ESR supposed to mean?
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• 2482[21:01:47] <annadane> extended support release
• 2483[21:01:51] <sarthe> im afraid to run it.
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• 2486[21:02:05] <sarthe> eugh.
• 2487[21:02:11] <annadane> iceweasel was just rebranded firefox
• 2488[21:02:23] <annadane> it's the same thing
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• 2490[21:02:42] <sarthe> no it wasnt. iceweasel was mozilla with all the crap taken out.
• 2491[21:02:58] <sarthe> thats why i installed it.
• 2492[21:03:00] <Zharf> no, iceweasel is firefox
• 2493[21:03:30] <Zharf> literally the reason for iceweasel was that the license for firefox logo wasn't debian compatible
• 2494[21:03:32] <sarthe> the base part of it, yes
• 2495[21:03:53] <sarthe> oh. ive heard of that. heh
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• 2497[21:04:25] <sarthe> hmm i'll give it a shot then...
• 2498[21:05:10] <sarthe> replaced-url
• 2499[21:05:26] <sarthe> ah, it even remembered my previous tabs.
• 2500[21:06:10] <annadane> because it's all stored in ~/.mozilla
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• 2502[21:07:00] <sarthe> yup, i suppose if its the wrong one, it will start pestering me to give it my phone number or some crap.
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• 2505[21:10:03] <sarthe> a bit annoyed that now i have both 'firefox ESR' AND iceweasel -> firefox ESR in the windowsy dropdown thing. who decided that was a good idea?
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• 2513[21:10:35] <sarthe> they need to be stabbed in the face.
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• 2515[21:10:58] <annadane> i assume you're using xfce by that description and i think you can change that
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• 2517[21:11:07] <sarthe> i am, yes
• 2518[21:11:10] <annadane> though it's odd that you have both entries, not sure if that's expected behavior
• 2519[21:11:35] <sarthe> gnome 4? or whatever with their tablet bullshit made me so angry i switched.
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• 2521[21:11:54] <annadane> 3, probably
• 2522[21:12:08] <somiaj> sarthe: just remove the iceweasel package. It is a traditional packgae to move people from iceweasel to firefox-esr automatically. Part of this was to ensure that the iceweasel binary was still avaialbe and the menu entry for for the transition so it doesn't just dissapear.
• 2523[21:12:08] <annadane> 4 doesn't exist
• 2524[21:12:18] <annadane> oh, right. transitional.
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• 2526[21:12:32] <peterrooney> sarthe: you could always ask for your money back.
• 2527[21:12:33] <sarthe> somiaj, ok. doing...
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• 2529[21:12:41] <somiaj> also please try to keep the language family friendly.
• 2530[21:12:42] <annadane> but yes if you're from jessie then it's gnome 3, depending on when you switched
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• 2533[21:13:03] <annadane> wheezy may have been something else etc
• 2534[21:13:07] <somiaj> such language will result in a ban if you keep it up. Threating the debian developers is also not suggested.
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• 2537[21:13:25] <somiaj> annadane: wheezy mayhave been gnome3, gnome3 has been out for a while now.
• 2538[21:13:29] <jelly> goota threat them right
• 2539[21:13:32] <sarthe> somiaj, hmm, in aptitude its marked as "auto install"...
• 2540[21:13:54] <somiaj> there hasn't been a major version change in gnome for many years now.
• 2541[21:13:54] <sarthe> seems i should remove the other one instead.
• 2542[21:13:58] <greycat> ,v gnome-shell
• 2543[21:13:59] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-3; buster: 3.26.2-1; sid: 3.26.2-1
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• 2545[21:14:16] <SuperTramp83> x_X *threat
• 2546[21:14:19] * greycat has no idea what any of these version numbers mean
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• 2548[21:15:01] <somiaj> they are all gnome3, seems gnome3 transition happened when wheezy was testing, and 3.4 was the version available at the time of the freeze.
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• 2552[21:15:56] <annadane> and then mate and cinnamon i believe are both forks of gnome 2
• 2553[21:16:09] <annadane> i can never remember
• 2554[21:16:17] <Kattvalp> Any tips on where I should look as a beginner hungry to learn? Anything about linux is fine.
• 2555[21:16:18] <somiaj> only mate is, I thought cinnamon was a gnome3 fork.
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• 2559[21:16:25] <annadane> that sounds right
• 2560[21:16:33] <annadane> Kattvalp, let me hit you up with some links, one second
• 2561[21:16:37] <sarthe> it was one of those versions where they screwed up the UI theyd been trying so hard to perfect ... because tablets/mobile phones apparently became important to desktop computers.
• 2562[21:16:42] <Kattvalp> Appreciated annadane.
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• 2564[21:17:14] <sarthe> ...which is why my browser scrollbar looks like a 4 year old designed it
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• 2566[21:18:01] <sarthe> and doesnt work at all with traditional gnome
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• 2569[21:18:42] <SuperTramp83> Kattvalp: replaced-url
• 2570[21:18:44] <annadane> Kattvalp, replaced-url
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• 2572[21:19:15] <annadane> sarthe, do not use #debian for your personal rant vehicle
• 2573[21:19:50] <SuperTramp83> #debian-offtopic
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• 2575[21:20:08] <sarthe> ...still waiting on some help about my lack of audio, son.
• 2576[21:20:22] <Kattvalp> Thanks!
• 2577[21:20:47] <annadane> sarthe, okay, fine, so just maybe restate your question at this point
• 2578[21:20:49] <sarthe> in the meantime, i'll help who i can, and rant about problems you'll never fix.
• 2579[21:21:02] <annadane> as far as i can tell it's basically "my audio doesn't work" and you don't know why
• 2580[21:21:19] <annadane> presumably as the result of a jessie -> stretch upgrade
• 2581[21:21:53] <SuperTramp83> annadane: pretty sure they just need to restart their computer, as already suggested. But they don't want to so they can keep ranting here :P
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• 2583[21:22:12] <sarthe> well. i have no audio. driver intel_hda is loaded, relevant alsamixers settings are all unmuted, and pulseaudio is dpkg -remove --force-depends
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• 2585[21:22:40] <sarthe> (just did an upgrade)
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• 2587[21:22:54] <raynold> Ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 2592[21:24:38] <sarthe> and no, as far as i hope, this is still jessie (8.6)
• 2593[21:24:55] <sarthe> 8.9 even
• 2594[21:25:04] <sarthe> surge@animal:/opt/a/audio/music$ cat /etc/debian_version
• 2595[21:25:04] <sarthe> 8.9
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• 2601[21:26:02] <sarthe> after gnomes disaster, i refuse to upgrade further until they stop with the tablet crap
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• 2603[21:27:08] <annadane> but you installed xfce...?
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• 2606[21:27:48] <sarthe> because even 8 was an abomination. my laptop still has 7
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• 2608[21:28:28] <annadane> sigh
• 2609[21:28:30] <sarthe> it was forced because i didnt have the 7 disks, and i dont know the urls for it offhand
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• 2615[21:29:24] <sarthe> aww. after winging about the audio thing...
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• 2618[21:29:42] <sarthe> dont treat a girl so harshly!
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• 2625[21:33:48] <zmitya> Hi guys. I know it is not a Debian issue, but I have a fresh stretch installed and the new Skype package does not create my ~/.Skype directory for some reason
• 2626[21:34:00] <zmitya> this is why I always need to set it up
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• 2628[21:34:27] <sarthe> tried ~/.config/Skype?
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• 2630[21:34:42] <sarthe> or similar
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• 2632[21:35:08] <zmitya> sarthe: hmm, it is there ..
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• 2634[21:35:22] <zmitya> ~/.config/skypeforlinux
• 2635[21:35:31] <zmitya> but then why I need to set it up always ?
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• 2638[21:36:06] <sarthe> for some reason everyones decided 'dot' files arent enough so they put it in .config now? nfi
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• 2641[21:37:29] <sarthe> what do you mean? and also, skype stopped releasing unix versions since about 2015...
• 2642[21:38:13] <sarthe> i have to use my android phone to use skype now... it doesnt work on linux anymore
• 2643[21:38:26] <zmitya> sarthe: sorry, it is the "skypeforlinux" stuff..
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• 2645[21:38:37] <simulant_> hi can anyone help me out. I'm having a weird issue. I can't login as root after trying to add my user as a sudo user to the wheel group. my user can't sudo or su and I can't get in as root. I also can't change the root password as my fstab is pointing to the wrong hard drive!
• 2646[21:38:52] <simulant_> can anyone help me get back in as root?
• 2647[21:39:15] <sarthe> never heard of it, give me url?
• 2648[21:39:40] <zmitya> sarthe: replaced-url
• 2649[21:39:51] <simulant_> root
• 2650[21:39:58] <zmitya> sarthe: replaced-url
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• 2652[21:40:23] <sarthe> first one is just advertising...
• 2653[21:40:57] <sarthe> 2nd one smells just of the last unix release. but ok.
• 2654[21:42:31] <zmitya> sarthe: on the first link there is a huge "Doenload" button (for me)
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• 2656[21:42:46] <sarthe> im downloading your 2nd one :)
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• 2658[21:42:59] <[devil-boy]> greetings
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• 2660[21:43:16] <[devil-boy]> anyone knows about proxmox storage?
• 2661[21:43:32] <[devil-boy]> Need some guidance configuring the disks available
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• 2665[21:46:00] <annadane> [devil-boy], okay, how do you want to configure?
• 2666[21:46:04] <jelly> [devil-boy]: try asking in ##proxmox, and be patient; small channels can take hours-days
• 2667[21:46:36] <[devil-boy]> damn...nobody is talking over there
• 2668[21:46:45] <[devil-boy]> annadane thanks for asking :)
• 2669[21:47:10] <jelly> everyone who actually knows anything about proxmox is free to join that channel and talk
• 2670[21:47:33] <[devil-boy]> trying to setup a proxmox server on a machine that I dual boot with windows 10, the setup is :1 M2 disk for windows 10- 1 M2 disk for proxmox (this disk has 256 go)
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• 2673[21:47:55] <zmitya> sarthe: will you install it ? ;)
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• 2676[21:48:12] <[devil-boy]> 2 SSD that I created a volume in raid0 (500 Go each) - 1 HDD no raid of 4TB and 1 HDD no raid of 3TB (this drive is faulty with bad sectors)
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• 2678[21:48:16] <sarthe> zmitya, if it works, yeah
• 2679[21:48:24] <[devil-boy]> what would you recommend to use for what type of storage
• 2680[21:48:44] <sarthe> zmitya, would like to talk to my belarus friend again...
• 2681[21:48:54] <zmitya> sarthe: it does for sure
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• 2683[21:49:23] <[devil-boy]> was thinking maybe raid0 for vm image on ssd might reduce their lifespan
• 2684[21:49:41] <[devil-boy]> will I really see great performance?
• 2685[21:49:53] <Iridos> simulant_, what's that bit about fstab? Also… I don't see how adding a user to the wheel group could prevent you from using the root password
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• 2688[21:50:59] <annadane> this may also be a more general virtualization question; i had just assumed proxmox was a debian package
• 2689[21:51:09] <annadane> ,v proxmox
• 2690[21:51:10] <judd> No package named 'proxmox' was found in amd64.
• 2691[21:51:15] <annadane> yeah, okay, so that's my fault
• 2692[21:51:24] <Iridos> no, it's…
• 2693[21:51:27] <Iridos> dpkg, proxmox
• 2694[21:51:27] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 2695[21:51:33] <annadane> AH.
• 2696[21:51:34] <annadane> oops.
• 2697[21:51:36] <annadane> stupid me
• 2698[21:51:36] <greycat> Iridos: as soon as it changed from "I messed up the root passwd" to "I messed up the root passwd ... AND fstab" I just cringed and walked away
• 2699[21:52:10] <annadane> [devil-boy], so perhaps replaced-url
• 2700[21:52:15] <somiaj> also debian has no wheel group by default so that is a bit strange
• 2701[21:52:15] <annadane> apologies for the run-around
• 2702[21:52:28] <[devil-boy]> no worries
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• 2704[21:52:43] <somiaj> simulant_: a live/recovery system might be the easiset way to rest the password/fstab.
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• 2710[21:53:10] <somiaj> [devil-boy]: there is ##linux which is general linux questions, maybe proxmox is on topic there.
• 2711[21:53:28] <[devil-boy]> going on youtube
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• 2713[21:53:31] <[devil-boy]> i'm escalating
• 2714[21:53:43] <mspo> what's proxmox?
• 2715[21:53:47] <Iridos> greycat, well… waiting for the "also a gebril got into the computer case, so I cannot open it up"… we'll see
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• 2717[21:54:00] <greycat> also, it's on fire
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• 2719[21:54:13] <Trel> If I want node.js and npm for Stretch or newer, I need to compile it myself, correct?
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• 2721[21:54:16] <Iridos> poor gebril
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• 2723[21:55:53] <somiaj> mspo: from google: replaced-url
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• 2728[21:58:00] <mspo> oh a fancy cpanel
• 2729[21:58:14] <jelly> simulant_: debian does not have a wheel group!
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• 2731[21:59:03] <xoritor> jelly, with no well group how does everyone go in circles?
• 2732[21:59:11] <xoritor> ;-D
• 2733[21:59:30] <jelly> judging by the questions asked in this channel, without any issues
• 2734[22:00:02] <xoritor> jelly, can we come back to that in a minute?
• 2735[22:00:08] * xoritor ducks
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• 2738[22:00:47] <xoritor> jelly, i was aprrehensive of the network setup earlier, but it has actually worked well
• 2739[22:00:50] <annadane> you guys are silly.
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• 2741[22:01:44] <xoritor> annadane, if i dont at least attempt humor, i may attempt things not so good
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• 2743[22:02:54] <tw> like a remote distupgrade with no backups?
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• 2745[22:03:21] <somiaj> tw: sounds like you speak from experience.
• 2746[22:03:28] <tw> Not recent experience, no.
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• 2748[22:03:48] <Iridos> you'll laugh… the biggest problems I had during the last dist-upgrade came from making a bootable backup
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• 2753[22:04:54] <xoritor> tw, even _i_ am not that crazy
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• 2755[22:05:19] <xoritor> Iridos, now that sounds like boat
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• 2761[22:07:09] <Iridos> well… if you clone a 1:1 image… take care of uuids is all I'm saying
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• 2764[22:07:56] <xoritor> Iridos, do you mean uuids _have_ to be unique ;-)
• 2765[22:08:05] <Iridos> yeah… how silly is that
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• 2768[22:08:58] <xoritor> lol
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• 2775[22:11:57] <Lope> The hard drives in my dedicated server were performing extremely slowly. So I checked the smart info and both hard drives are in old-age AND pre-fail for all parameters. I've contacted the data center to swap the drives ASAP
• 2776[22:12:25] <Lope> (Software raid) However I don't think they can simply pull one disk out and replace it with a new one... I might need both disks to be able to copy all the data cleanly?
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• 2778[22:12:41] <jelly> Lope: "old-age" and "pre-fail" are not conditions, they are a description of how each attibute works
• 2779[22:13:49] <Lope> oh, well the values are over the thresholds?
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• 2783[22:14:28] <jelly> no idea, but in general you worry about an attribute when it changes for the worse quickly, or when it says FAILING_NOW next to that old-age
• 2784[22:14:37] <jelly> or pre-fail
• 2785[22:14:38] <Lope> For example raw read error rate value 200, worst 200, thresh 51, oh, then it says RAW value 0
• 2786[22:15:19] <jelly> msot of then are only somewhat useful when tracked over time
• 2787[22:15:25] * jelly can't type
• 2788[22:15:50] <Iridos> wasn't there a google study on smart values
• 2789[22:15:59] <Lope> Okay, can you please help me read this SMART output? replaced-url
• 2790[22:16:00] <jelly> Lope: if you want an assessment for dummies, try hdsentinel instead of trying to find sense
• 2791[22:16:26] <jelly> Lope: replaced-url
• 2792[22:16:26] <Iridos> hm, that one, I guess replaced-url
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• 2794[22:16:39] <Iridos> 2007, so… err… brand new
• 2795[22:17:01] <kms_> hi
• 2796[22:17:01] <jelly> you think HDD/SSD quality has improved since?
• 2797[22:17:06] <Iridos> still, should still apply to spinning rust
• 2798[22:17:24] <Iridos> 3.5.6 Predictive Power of SMART Parameters
• 2799[22:17:36] <kms_> how to install brother network scanner on debian 9?
• 2800[22:17:50] <jelly> at least hdsentinel gives some description next to the smart attribute values
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• 2802[22:18:38] <jelly> also a health % from 0 to 100, mostly bogus but pretty looking
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• 2804[22:19:10] <Tramp> Lope: these values luck nearly perfect to me.
• 2805[22:19:14] <Tramp> look
• 2806[22:19:14] <jelly> Iridos: is that the one that said like 40% of failures could be predicted
• 2807[22:19:17] <Iridos> basically they failed at predicting most HD failures before they happened…
• 2808[22:19:38] <Iridos> jelly, actually it says 56% could not predicted from smart values because they were 0
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• 2810[22:19:47] <jelly> that's the one, yeah
• 2811[22:19:48] <Iridos> that's not the same as saying 40% could be predicted
• 2812[22:20:19] <jelly> well excuse me for not remembering the 4%
• 2813[22:20:19] <Iridos> I think at that point where they saw how many could not be predicted anyway because of zero values… they didn't bother to try for the rest
• 2814[22:20:39] <Iridos> yeah, understood. Just saying it's worse than you remember
• 2815[22:20:56] * jelly excuses himself
• 2816[22:21:05] <simulant_> jelly: haha well who would of thought eh!?
• 2817[22:21:12] <Lope> Tramp: yeah I'm wondering that right now.
• 2818[22:21:27] <Lope> Guys am I supposed to be looking at RAW_VALUE or VALUE? replaced-url
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• 2822[22:22:02] <Iridos> it's not about the 4%… it's about that they say nothing about how many *could* have been predicted at all… at least not in the bits I just re-read
• 2823[22:22:07] <jelly> Lope: value, but really neither if you're just looking at them for the first time now
• 2824[22:22:29] <jelly> go run hdsentinel instead
• 2825[22:22:38] <jelly> more fun
• 2826[22:22:53] <Tramp> Iridos: I think the breakdown is: SMART may have false negatives (i.e. no SMART errors but drive failing) but it rarely has false positives (i.e. SMART errors but drive being fine)
• 2827[22:22:59] <jelly> best s.m.a.r.t. tool!
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• 2829[22:23:03] <Lope> jelly: well it says raw error rate is 200, and the threshold is 51. Surely that means it's 4x worse than what is considered pre-fail?
• 2830[22:23:30] <jelly> Lope: the WHOLE ATTRIBUTE is pre-fail regardless of the value
• 2831[22:23:40] <ryouma> i think Tramp is right but occasionally something will disappear
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• 2833[22:23:59] <Lope> jelly: yes, but VALUE being > threshold tells you if you should panic or not?
• 2834[22:24:18] <jelly> Lope: no. Sometimes it goes from 100 or 255 down.
• 2835[22:24:37] <ryouma> replaced-url
• 2836[22:24:39] <jelly> really, don't bother trying to make sense of it
• 2837[22:24:42] <Tramp> Lope: no. *Smaller* than threshold is bad
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• 2839[22:24:56] <Lope> Tramp: lol, so unuser friendly
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• 2842[22:25:19] <Lope> jelly: will install hdsentinel now lol
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• 2844[22:26:40] <jelly> Lope: here, isn't this a lot simpler to decipher? replaced-url
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• 2846[22:27:25] <Tramp> Lope: Look at 194 (temperature). Value is 147-(actual temp: 27)=120. If it gets hotter, value goes down. Worst is 112, meaning the disk was never hotter than 35 (147-112) degrees
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• 2848[22:27:29] <Lope> jelly: I'm not going to install closed source hdsentinel
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• 2852[22:28:18] <jelly> Lope: then suffer!
• 2853[22:28:39] <ryouma> the raw values are what you mostly want
• 2854[22:28:48] <Lope> its a pity smartmontools sucks
• 2855[22:28:49] * jelly will continue to use tools that actually make sense
• 2856[22:28:50] <ryouma> unless you really udnersand your mfr
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• 2859[22:29:45] <jelly> Lope: it doesn't suck too much, but again, it's mostly useful if you track the values the whole time instead of looking at them only when things go wrong
• 2860[22:30:07] <ryouma> i recommend storing, diffing, storing,etc.
• 2861[22:30:54] <jelly> an increase in spin-up or recovered errors over time tells more than a single sample
• 2862[22:31:53] <Lope> should I use smartmontools to run a self-test? is it safe to do on a running server?
• 2863[22:31:56] <inSync> how do i install a packet's dependancies with dpkg?
• 2864[22:32:02] <jelly> (also, hdsentinel can read smart off some usb bridges that smartnotools do not handle yet)
• 2865[22:32:14] <jelly> inSync: you don't, use apt
• 2866[22:32:15] <Lope> ryouma: thanks for suggestion, will consider it when I have more time for that kind of thing.
• 2867[22:32:26] <inSync> jelly: but the packet is a .de
• 2868[22:32:27] <inSync> .deb
• 2869[22:32:47] <inSync> jelly: replaced-url
• 2870[22:32:52] <inSync> that packet
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• 2872[22:32:58] <jelly> inSync: them you attempt to dpkg -i that deb, and when it fails, run "apt-get -f install" to let apt fix the deps and finish the installation
• 2873[22:33:15] <inSync> hum, will do
• 2874[22:33:28] <jelly> I'm told "gdebi" can achieve both but I've never used it
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• 2877[22:34:03] <Tramp> Lope: yes, you can run short/extended self-tests at any time. I bet these disks test fine.
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• 2883[22:35:33] <Lope> Tramp: thanks mate.
• 2884[22:35:40] <Lope> Running the short test on one disk now
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• 2886[22:36:37] <inSync> jelly: doesn't work quite as expected
• 2887[22:36:46] <Unit193> jelly: Why not sudo apt install ./mydeb.deb ?
• 2888[22:37:02] <greycat> because that's not how apt works, AFAIK
• 2889[22:37:08] <Unit193> It is now.
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• 2892[22:37:21] <inSync> i guess the packet is not debian friendly but ubuntu friendly though they mention debian on the website
• 2893[22:37:37] <Tramp> Lope: btw, leading this discussion in multiple channels simultanously will only confuse yuo
• 2894[22:37:51] <Unit193> greycat: Note you have to use a path of some sort, ./ works but apt install mypackage.deb won't.
• 2895[22:38:16] <inSync> fortunately there is a source tarball
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• 2897[22:38:44] <inSync> let me see if i can grow some packaging habilities
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• 2899[22:38:57] <jelly> Unit193: because I don't know which debian release they're using, and apt only exists since stretch
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• 2902[22:39:11] <Lope> Tramp: I feel okay so far thanks. I was just really concerned.
• 2903[22:39:31] <Unit193> jelly: Very logical reason. gdebi does check deps before install, can confirm.
• 2904[22:39:49] <inSync> i noticed that apt command just a minute ago, is it new? apt-get extention?
• 2905[22:39:53] * jelly always have very logical rationalizations for doing the wrong thing
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• 2908[22:40:16] <Unit193> jelly: 'Tis why I asked. :)
• 2909[22:40:59] <Unit193> inSync: They're...Different, eg apt-get upgrade won't install new depends but apt upgrade will. At the same time, apt upgrade won't allow removal of packages so is "safer" than both apt-get dist-upgrade and apt full-upgrade.
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• 2911[22:41:15] <Unit193> I prefer apt-cache search over apt search, same with show.
• 2912[22:41:35] <inSync> nice
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• 2914[22:42:00] <inSync> debian is changing fast... since systemd inception i lost track of it
• 2915[22:42:15] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
• 2916[22:42:29] <jhutchins> Somehow I got the habit of using aptitude.
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• 2918[22:44:19] <inSync> just wiped my laptop
• 2919[22:44:36] <inSync> gotta install every single thing i need, lol
• 2920[22:44:40] <inSync> one at a time
• 2921[22:45:57] <jhutchins> inSync: Well, a general install should cover at least some of it.
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• 2923[22:46:15] <Unit193> Apt has seen some interesting enhancements as of late, not entirely sure I like them all but some are pretty cool. apt-transport-https is no longer needed either, if you use https repos.
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• 2925[22:46:21] <roue_> hola
• 2926[22:47:16] <roue_> I have a new laptop with Windows 10 and I'm trying to dual boot Debian 9. It's UEFI. I've run the installer but it fails when trying to install grub.
• 2927[22:47:31] <roue_> "unable to install GRUB in dummy"
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• 2929[22:47:52] <roue_> Usually I blow away windows entirely, but I thought I'd give dual booting a try this time.
• 2930[22:48:21] <roue_> complication: I'm using LVM over an encrypted volume for / and swap.
• 2931[22:48:24] <roue_> if that matters.
• 2932[22:49:11] <inSync> you need a separate /boot i think
• 2933[22:49:29] <inSync> but ask around, more knowledgeable ppl are here
• 2934[22:50:18] <roue_> I tried that too, but when I create the boot volume (unencrypted) and try to toggle the "bootable" flag it stays unbootable ( in the GUI installer ).
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• 2936[22:51:44] <roue_> The windows install has a whole bunch of partitions to it. EFI. the system itself, a recovery partition, one or two things I don't recognize.
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• 2939[22:52:59] <Tramp> roue_: leave them all alone. /boot is needed. Don't care about the bootable flag, it's irrelevant for grub
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• 2949[23:06:06] <roue_> Tramp, okay, I'll give it another shot with /boot
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• 2956[23:14:03] <inSync> i have a dependency that states qt5libmultimedia-dev but there is no such package in debian
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• 2958[23:14:18] <dixie7z_> Running Steam on debian 9 64-bit STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically Pins up-to-date! / and thats it... steam wont start. any suggestions?
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• 2960[23:14:33] <dixie7z_> it wos working the day before...
• 2961[23:14:38] <dixie7z_> was*
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• 2963[23:15:04] <blawiz> is there a way to ensure x starts with display :0?
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• 2965[23:15:22] <inSync> maybe redhat, in debian what package would i need? qt5libmultimedia headers
• 2966[23:15:27] <inSync> dixie7z_: strace it
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• 2968[23:16:17] <inSync> any idea jelly ?
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• 2971[23:17:53] <Unit193> qtmultimedia5-dev?
• 2972[23:18:02] <inSync> libqt5multimedia
• 2973[23:18:02] <zro> should i stick with i3 or try and get sway working ?
• 2974[23:18:16] <dixie7z_> inSync, i dont understand anything of this strace output.... should i put it on pastebin?
• 2975[23:18:44] <inSync> go ahead, i can look at it, but no promises
• 2976[23:18:56] <inSync> i'm no expert
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• 2978[23:19:53] <dixie7z_> pastebin.com/6pw32cu9
• 2979[23:19:58] <dixie7z_> inSync,
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• 2991[23:27:19] <inSync> dixie7z_: sorry mate nothing that i can identify as a problem there
• 2992[23:27:27] <inSync> the process exits with 0
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• 2995[23:28:00] <dixie7z_> ok. inSync thanks for your help... i will just game on windows then..
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• 3008[23:34:23] <roue_> Tramp -- looks like just adding a dedicated /boot was exactly what I needed. Thanks.
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• 3011[23:34:43] <Lope> jelly: Tramp thanks for the help!
• 3012[23:34:45] <Lope> night
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• 3014[23:35:07] <Tramp> roue_: welcome
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• 3027[23:43:47] <RoyK> What would you suggest for having a few tiny machines streaming video to a central server? http? some rtp thing? nfs mounts?
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• 3035[23:46:29] <richitan> how tiny? rasp pi tiny?
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• 3038[23:46:48] <RoyK> or orange pi zero tiny
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• 3041[23:47:11] <richitan> orange pi?
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• 3043[23:47:16] <RoyK> google it
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• 3045[23:47:24] <richitan> nope
• 3046[23:47:24] <RoyK> some chinese raspi spinoff
• 3047[23:47:56] <richitan> i personally would never touch anything from china - except everything else i buy at walmart
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• 3049[23:48:04] <RoyK> 46x48mm, half a gig of ram, 2x1,2GHz
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• 3051[23:48:22] <richitan> so are you talking that small?
• 3052[23:48:24] <RoyK> richitan: quite a few of the raspies are from china nowadyas, and virtually all other electronics are
• 3053[23:48:49] <RoyK> the "american" apple products are made in china
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• 3055[23:49:06] <RoyK> because I need quite a few of them
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• 3057[23:49:22] <richitan> okay okay
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• 3059[23:49:29] <RoyK> and I want custom software, which makes it hard to use a standard wifi-enabled cam
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• 3061[23:50:12] <richitan> why custom? mpv/kodi are all great
• 3062[23:50:49] <RoyK> richitan: replaced-url
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• 3064[23:51:26] <RoyK> richitan: don't think kodi can do much recording from a camera
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• 3066[23:51:44] <richitan> mpv and mplayer surely can
• 3067[23:52:28] <richitan> can't you capture too with just cat off the /dev/video
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• 3069[23:53:03] <RoyK> I rather want to get the output in a useful format
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• 3071[23:53:06] <richitan> RoyK: is this for a commercial thing or private?
• 3072[23:53:33] <RoyK> perhaps just ffmpeg…
• 3073[23:53:42] <richitan> that is great too
• 3074[23:54:05] <RoyK> just private - doing a wee experiment trying to see what magpies are capable of
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• 3076[23:54:24] <RoyK> I'm a bit interested in corvidae and their intelligence ;)
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• 3078[23:54:54] <richitan> if you were serious above about the orange pi usage - anything bigger then the rpi zero is good
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• 3080[23:55:18] <RoyK> richitan: I have a few pi's already, but this one will probably do
• 3081[23:55:48] <RoyK> the central server has some 15TiB of storage, which should suffice for a while
• 3082[23:55:54] <richitan> i think you need the 64bit in order to use all the cores though
• 3083[23:56:14] <RoyK> no, you don't
• 3084[23:56:26] <RoyK> you need 64bit to address more memory than 2/4 gigs
• 3085[23:56:31] <RoyK> without paging etc
• 3086[23:56:37] <RoyK> so that's not the point here
• 3087[23:57:23] <RoyK> I once setup a server with four i486 servers on novell netware - that was a wee bit before people started thinking about 64bit processors in the pc market
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• 3089[23:59:02] <richitan> i have to use 64bit cause all my britney spears vids are all over 2.4GB each
• 3090[23:59:22] <RoyK> good choice
• 3091[23:59:39] <richitan> novell? who on earth is willing to say they used it in public these days ... shame
• 3092[23:59:57] <RoyK> richitan: this was 20 years ago ;)
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