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20[00:10:05] <YesMan> man hier isn't available on my fresh buster netinstall, what package is it tied to?
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23[00:11:55] <hummable> .apropos hier
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25[00:15:59] <annadane> that doesn't really answer it
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27[00:17:08] <karlpinc> On stretch hier is in the "manpages" package.
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31[00:18:43] <hummable> man 7 hier
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37[00:21:07] <YesMan> karlpinc, thanks a bunch, that was it ^^
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52[00:33:10] <annadane> i didn't even realize manpages was a package
53[00:33:14] <annadane> i thought it was man-db
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56[00:36:13] <nkuttler> annadane: there are several packages with man pages
57[00:36:42] <nkuttler> e.g. manpages-dev
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65[00:41:12] <YesMan> annadane, man-db is the actual functionality. But pages come from packages you install
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67[00:43:46] <blob> w/in 3
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77[00:56:19] <somiaj> annadane: zless /usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz -- that is a manpage provided by a package, manpages is the software that converts it to a nicely text readable (with sections/headers/etc) format. man-db is a database of the man pages to make searching/accsing them much faster.
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79[00:58:01] <somiaj> note the pager, most often less, is separate from the manpages which formats it into ascii text.
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85[01:02:35] <karlpinc> YesMan: There is also a package for info pages, and I always install a separate one for tar and emacs info docs. All of this is probably in non-free due to GFDL and DFSG conflicts.
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102[01:13:37] <YesMan> And what are those number in parenthesis?
103[01:13:56] <YesMan> like sshd(8)
104[01:14:16] <themill> sections of the manual; see "man man"
105[01:15:14] <themill> you need that to disambiguate crontab(1) the program and crontab(5) the file format, for instance
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107[01:15:40] <YesMan> man man is meta ^^
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110[01:19:21] <dvs> YesMan, yes, man
111[01:19:22] <YesMan> themill, thanks that clears things up
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122[01:25:13] <crestfallen> hi I turned on my buster machine. no sound at all. it was working fine earlier.. any bugs you know of?
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124[01:27:00] <malmalmal> Hello, debian apache config is very particular. I enabled userdir mod, and would like to set the userdir directive, but I don't know exactly where to do so, as... again... the config is very particularly set up
125[01:27:15] <malmalmal> and apache docs do not cover such setup
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129[01:27:58] <crestfallen> I tried to play music as root and normal user as well.
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134[01:31:11] <Alver> Hello. I'm trying to install debian testing on a new Ice Lake based laptop. The default installer image lacks firmwares, and the unofficial image with the firmwares gives an error that no kernel modules are found at all. What are my options?
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139[01:35:22] <YesMan> Hey, there's that obsure thing called openssh, it got an 8 and 8.1 update. is there a dedicated repo with uptodate deb packages like there is for nginx?
140[01:37:58] <crestfallen> why is sound in debian so horrendously complicated?
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142[01:38:19] <crestfallen> you could read all day to get the sound working. (buster)
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149[01:42:08] <crestfallen> any one please help me sort out sound on buster os
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151[01:43:13] <Alver> Ha, nevermind. The "main" testing non-free image is broken. The sid one does work.
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153[01:44:02] <crestfallen> I tried this : cd /usr/lib/pulse-12.2
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156[01:44:28] <YesMan> crestfallen, there was also an alsa thingy
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158[01:44:42] <crestfallen> && sudo ln -s ../../pulse-11.1/modules/module-vchan-sink.so
159[01:45:03] <Alver> crestfallen: don't do stuff if you have no clue what they do.
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162[01:45:39] <crestfallen> any suggestions? I'm deleting the symlink
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164[01:46:23] <crestfallen> It was working perfectly fine yesterday..
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166[01:46:45] <crestfallen> I have no explanation. tried a reboot
167[01:46:48] <Alver> crestfallen: no idea. I have had sound working perfectly fine, in Debian sid, auto-detected, since the middle ages.
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170[01:47:02] <Alver> Start with what hardware you have, perhaps
171[01:47:10] <Alver> And how you're testing at all
172[01:47:40] <crestfallen> 64bit core i7 dell
173[01:47:51] <crestfallen> not a linux person yet
174[01:47:53] <Alver> *sound* hardware
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183[01:51:29] <crestfallen> Alver thanks for taking a look: replaced-url
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293[03:01:33] <oxek> which VNC server is best supported in debian stable?
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307[03:14:11] <dvs> oxek, I like tigervnc but that's my opinion.
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315[03:16:52] <oxek> dvs: I found tigervnc too. There are too many VNC servers out there...
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317[03:17:28] <oxek> looks like tigervnc at least has some 'recent' documentation on setting it up replaced-url
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321[03:17:57] <oxek> dvs: does tigervnc support attaching to an existing session? and creating a new session?
322[03:18:23] <oxek> I want to use it the same way I used mstsc to connect to windows remote desktops
323[03:19:00] <dvs> oxek, I just use it to attach to an existing session. I've never tried creating a new session on the fly.
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448[05:40:19] <sfhndfnjgdghjdfd> Who can unsolve these?
449[05:40:23] <sfhndfnjgdghjdfd> 7415963 789456123 74123 74123 74123698
450[05:40:28] <sfhndfnjgdghjdfd> 78952 7415963 789456123 14789653 789456123
451[05:40:33] <sfhndfnjgdghjdfd> 74123 74123698 74123
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456[05:44:29] <melpy> it says "I wasted 3 hours of my time solving this"
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494[06:26:45] <relipse2> does anyone trust the free certificates from certbot?
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505[06:43:49] <themill> as much as you can trust any cert from a CA
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510[06:49:01] <BazookaTooth> just for context - replaced-url
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517[06:53:02] <RoyK> BazookaTooth: those spammers/frauds are always first in line when new things come ashore
518[06:53:40] <BazookaTooth> like i said.. was just for more context
519[06:54:10] <RoyK> relipse2: I use certbot - just don't trust any website that clames to be some bank and has a similar URL, regardless of certificate
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522[06:54:25] <BazookaTooth> ^
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524[06:54:57] <BazookaTooth> themill's comment though +1
525[06:55:15] <relipse2> I was thinking about installing it
526[06:55:23] <relipse2> does it just replace all my apache configs with ones to https:?
527[06:55:28] <relipse2> for all my sites?
528[06:57:16] <RoyK> relipse2: it just adds the crypto bits
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530[06:57:30] <relipse2> what do you mean RoyK
531[06:57:39] <RoyK> relipse2: install etckeeper first so that you can roll back if something funny happens
532[06:58:24] <themill> The cert is just verifying that you've downloaded the malware without having someone else shoving even further nasty things into it. The certificate never certifies that what you're downloading isn't malicious.
533[06:58:59] <RoyK> relipse2: you need the ssl/tls stuff for your webserver (apache, nginx, whatever) and certbot will do the job automatically (usually) after that
534[06:59:25] <RoyK> themill: hehe
535[06:59:42] <RoyK> certified malware is nice
536[07:00:48] <relipse2> ok i got etckeper
537[07:04:18] <BazookaTooth> krebs covers the avast and nordvpn breaches and some of the shadey cert things btw. there are better reads on it but worth a look
538[07:05:19] <relipse2> RoyK so you are saying it is safe?
539[07:05:25] <relipse2> i'm very iffy what if my websites break
540[07:06:43] <BazookaTooth> you're concern should be how to deal with what type of hosting you are using and how it impacts your users if your hosting provider is breached
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543[07:07:24] <BazookaTooth> if you keep your site up to date, you are probably not the problem
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545[07:07:53] <BazookaTooth> but easysecurity101
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655[09:40:09] <McErroneous> hi, anybody has youtube on debian squeeze working ?
656[09:40:52] <McErroneous> Which browser should i use firefox 39 is outperforming my 1.8 ghz machine...
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660[09:44:07] <McErroneous> they should not have moved to html-player....
661[09:44:44] <McErroneous> is it all about keeping the buisiness going...
662[09:46:27] <Atomic_0nXgo> hi
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664[09:50:36] <oxek> McErroneous: use the invidio.us instance for youtube, or just extract the video using youtube-dl (selecting some low resolution) or play it directly with mpv (also choosing some low resolution)
665[09:50:43] <oxek> see which one performs best on your machine
666[09:50:49] <McErroneous> I wanted a computer as a perfect slave...., not as my master to tell me to upgrade every now and then...
667[09:51:37] <nb-ben> you can tell it to shut up about it
668[09:51:47] <nb-ben> but then it'll grow dumb and gullible
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670[09:52:20] <lupine> the problem with slaves is, they can turn on you
671[09:52:26] <lupine> squeeze is packed with vulnerabilities by now
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673[09:54:04] <jelly> McErroneous: what ox'ek said. Don't use a browser, use a new youtube-dl version and a dedicated player, maybe one that can take stdin as input
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748[11:09:45] <B|ack0p> when i run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" it returned with some warnings: replaced-url
749[11:09:55] <B|ack0p> what could be the problem?
750[11:10:41] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
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758[11:22:47] <NetGirl> what's this? replaced-url
759[11:22:54] <NetGirl> break the service*
760[11:23:07] <NetGirl> what happened anyway? that's ina VM btw
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764[11:26:01] <hummingbee> something must have happened before any of that
765[11:26:27] <EriC^^> NetGirl: maybe run a smart test on the hdd?
766[11:26:36] <NetGirl> (sda1): I/O error while writing superblock
767[11:27:01] <NetGirl> EriC^^: it's a virtual disk, it doesn't exist. The host doesn't have any problem. But yes, that's a good idea
768[11:27:28] <EriC^^> NetGirl: is it on your system or a vps?
769[11:28:54] <livebrain> 1\5maybe fsck and see if it says something (erros)
770[11:28:56] <livebrain> errors
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772[11:29:05] <livebrain> and i would check smartmoontools also
773[11:29:09] <livebrain> on the drive itself
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775[11:30:18] <NetGirl> EriC^^: my hardware. I suspend the computer with the VM on, don't know if that's part of the cause
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779[11:35:01] <livebrain> NetGirl: replaced-url
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782[11:35:30] <livebrain> "scsi0.virtualDev = "lsilogic" seems to have fixed it but I'd really like to know more about why it happened."
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788[11:39:51] <NetGirl> maybe I should learn to backup, that's a lot of work on there
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791[11:41:27] <NetGirl> apt upgrade, is that how you update the system?
792[11:41:36] <NetGirl> to keep it up to date I mean
793[11:41:54] <livebrain> if you spent alot of time in debian why dont you run it as you main operating system
794[11:41:58] <livebrain> or in dual boot ?
795[11:44:31] <diogenes_> NetGirl, yes.
796[11:45:18] <diogenes_> apt update && apt upgrade
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819[12:12:25] <NetGirl> livebrain: because I can have nicer things with arch on my main
820[12:13:15] <NetGirl> diogenes_: heh.. why aren't those in the same command? most other package managers updates the package list and then update if there are any
821[12:14:39] <diogenes_> NetGirl, which are 'most other'?
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825[12:18:13] <NetGirl> diogenes_: pacman, yum
826[12:18:35] <NetGirl> they represent a big portion of the game
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831[12:20:04] <diogenes_> NetGirl, diversity and freedom of choice, isn't that awesome?
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834[12:21:57] <NetGirl> did I say otherwise?
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837[12:22:28] <NetGirl> aids is also biological diversity btw, I don't quite get the argument.
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840[12:23:11] <diogenes_> well you said why apt is not the same as others.
841[12:23:34] <diogenes_> aids is a bad example.
842[12:23:34] <NetGirl> I asked why update and upgrade aren't in the same command
843[12:23:58] <wasamasa> that's a semantic argument
844[12:24:01] <bolt> what if I want to update the package list, then upgrade a single package, because I'm on a slow, embedded system?
845[12:24:07] <bolt> there are plenty of reasons for this
846[12:24:13] <wasamasa> that gives you breakage, lol
847[12:24:23] <wasamasa> it's unsupported on arch to do partial upgrades
848[12:24:40] <bolt> not talking about arch
849[12:24:43] <wasamasa> I bet debian isn't different in this aspect
850[12:24:48] <bolt> sure is.
851[12:25:08] <ratrace> technically there's no reason for update and upgrade to be separate
852[12:25:20] <diogenes_> NetGirl, it's like you come from Mars, of course you can upgrade one single package withpout breaking anything.
853[12:25:23] <bolt> ratrace: then how the heck am I supposed to update only a few packages?
854[12:25:33] <ratrace> update can be a flag to single, upgrade command, by default run update if out of date have a --no-update flag i if you don't want it, or --update if you wanna force it
855[12:26:08] <ratrace> bolt: you can't update "only a few packages" with apt anyway.
856[12:26:14] <bolt> ratrace: sure you can
857[12:26:18] <ratrace> you can update all that's pending, or nothing
858[12:26:23] <ratrace> bolt: give me an example command?
859[12:26:47] <bolt> ratrace: apt-get update && apt-get install apache2. this will update apache2, while leaving samba alone.
860[12:27:03] <bolt> i updated a few packages. woop.
861[12:27:05] <diogenes_> ratrace, in synaptic you can click on a package and mark for upgrade and it will upgrade that single package.
862[12:27:45] <ratrace> bolt: uhm, yea and how is using "install" in a hacky way like this in ANY way contrary to what I said?
863[12:28:08] <bolt> ratrace: you said i couldn't update "only a few packages". and how is this remotely hacky?
864[12:28:09] <ratrace> for example lets say there's only "upgrade" to apt, with implicit update if the cache is too old
865[12:28:28] <ratrace> every time you run "upgrade" it runs a cache update, unless --no-update is given
866[12:28:34] <bolt> ratrace: how is apt supposed to know the cache of my internal apt repo is too old?
867[12:28:38] <ratrace> and proceeds to upgrade what has new version
868[12:28:47] <ratrace> bolt: how it does now?
869[12:29:06] <bolt> ratrace: it doesn't. that's the point. but i can update the cache without upgrading everything
870[12:29:08] <ratrace> there's no difference between having a separate "update" and --(no-)update with implicit update run on each upgrade
871[12:29:34] <bolt> so why advocate for a different solution? all you've done is added more god awful parameters to apt
872[12:30:04] <ratrace> advocate? no I merely said that technically there's no reason for them to be separate. other package managers have single update command and it works just the same
873[12:30:35] <bolt> and apt gives you freedom, and there's nobody advocating for it to change
874[12:30:43] <bolt> sweet
875[12:31:49] <ratrace> btw running "install" to hack around upgrade so that you "upgrade" only that one package? is hacking around apt. apt is designed to run all pending updates, not select packages. the fact that you work around it does not negate that.
876[12:32:08] <bolt> ratrace: source?
877[12:32:42] <ratrace> and there is perfect reason for that as apt resolves dependencies and sometimes dependencies are at run-time, functional and not expressed via packaging
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879[12:32:56] <wasamasa> I like being proven right on a #debian channel of all the things
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881[12:33:36] <wasamasa> ratrace: million dollar question, is it possible to break your system by doing an update followed by a single-package install?
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886[12:34:09] <bolt> ratrace: upgrading single packages on slow, embedded devices is perfectly normal. i work with embedded every day. having to upgrade everything when your storage is a size constrained flash chip or a slow wear leveling sd card would be a complete nightmare. the solution isn't a hack, it's perfectly normal workflow.
887[12:34:25] <ratrace> wasamasa: I don't understand the question
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890[12:34:47] <ratrace> bolt: yes, and like I said, the fact that it WORKS doesn't negate the fact that it's not designe or intended to do that
891[12:34:55] <bolt> ratrace: source?
892[12:34:58] <ratrace> it's hack because apt does NOT have "apt upgrade single-package-foo-bar"
893[12:35:03] <ratrace> that's your source right there
894[12:35:06] <wasamasa> ratrace: like, if updating the single package pulls in an extra dependency with a different soname, say ncurses
895[12:35:31] <wasamasa> ratrace: then after the update you'd have one package using newer ncurses and tons more packages pointing to the no longer existing old ncurses
896[12:35:34] <ratrace> wasamasa: oh you mean UPDATE, with no upgrade, then INSTALL? I suppose it is, yes, due to said functional run-time deps
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899[12:35:44] <wasamasa> ratrace: that kind of thing is possible on arch and screws lots of people over
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901[12:36:33] <ratrace> arch is very break-y in general
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903[12:36:51] <wasamasa> sure, but if debian users are not aware of this, they can be hit by the same footgun :D
904[12:36:58] <ratrace> the price of bleeding edge and insufficient testing
905[12:37:04] <ratrace> wasamasa: correct
906[12:37:16] <wasamasa> I wonder if there's any linux distro not affected by this problem
907[12:37:32] <ratrace> wasamasa: I thin most packages are defined properly so run time deps ARE expressed through package deps and minimal version required, for example, but that's not always so
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910[12:38:05] <wasamasa> nixos probably
911[12:38:11] <ratrace> wasamasa: it's not about distro but about whether packages are defined "so well" to express ALL their dependencies via package dependencies
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918[12:40:40] <bolt> ratrace: you really have to provide more than "i don't like that this command doesn't do this" if you want to convince anybody that installing a new version of a single package with the "install" command isn't an intended workflow
919[12:41:18] <bolt> the manual has extensive information on how to upgrade and downgrade packages, there's loads of information on upgrading single packages to backports, and how to pin packages
920[12:41:38] <bolt> this is perfectly normal, and you not doing it doesn't make it not so
921[12:41:57] <ratrace> there's nothing to provide. if apt were designed to upgrade single packages, then you could do "apt upgrade single-package". it's really that simple.
922[12:42:25] <bolt> you're perfectly welcome to believe that, of course, but you're still wrong
923[12:42:48] <bolt> or, let me clarify, to avoid the burden of proof here, there's no reason to think you're correct
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925[12:43:00] <ratrace> the same argument applies to your logic as well
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927[12:44:21] <bolt> ratrace: now that's wrong. it's reasonable to assume that well documented workflows are expected usages of the commands in question
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929[12:44:40] <ratrace> since apt does not have the ability to "upgrade single-package" in its regular commands, there is no reason to thin that you're correct when you say it's not hacking around apts functions when you abuse install to "upgrade" single packages.
930[12:44:51] <ratrace> no it's not wrong, it's elementary, Watson.
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932[12:45:19] <nkuttler> ratrace: "upgrading a single package" is not something that's always possible for apt, hence it shouldn't even try to do it
933[12:45:19] <bolt> ratrace: we've already established that your favorite command doesn't do this. however, the others do, and it's well documented.
934[12:45:42] <bolt> ratrace: it's reasonable to assume that well documented workflows are expected usages of the commands in question
935[12:45:45] <ratrace> nkuttler: correct, but tell bolt that, he doesn't think that's correct.
936[12:45:53] <ratrace> sorry. they. I'm not assuming anything.
937[12:46:06] <bolt> ratrace: "it, that"
938[12:46:19] <bolt> if you want to play that game
939[12:46:46] <nkuttler> if you're going to argue semantics, maybe you should take it to -offopic
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942[12:48:07] <bolt> nkuttler: i simply object to the notion that since apt upgrade doesn't have an option to upgrade a single package, upgrading a single package isn't an intended workflow for apt
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945[12:49:45] <YesMan> Hello
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947[12:50:08] <bolt> Greetings
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951[12:53:03] <YesMan> I installed debian buster on a laptop, an old one at that, and I'd like to have the screen turn off when not in use. I googled about setterm, went through the man page but commands like "setterm --powersave on" or "setterm --powersave powerdown" output "Cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inapropriate ioctl for device" is that a firmware issue of some sort?
952[12:53:39] <bolt> ratrace: The only purpose of the command "apt-get install --only-upgrade foo" is to upgrade the package foo. It does nothing else. It will not install foo, it will not upgrade anything foo doesn't depend on. It exists for a reason, and if you don't like the name, perhaps you can submit a patch.
953[12:54:44] <YesMan> The only working one is "setterm --powerdown x" but with x (in minutes) set to one, screen doesn't go to sleep
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957[12:57:09] <bolt> YesMan: Which laptop?
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959[12:57:41] <YesMan> a dell E1505
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969[13:04:08] <YesMan_> Sry got disconnected, it's actually a dell 1501
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983[13:16:13] <diogenes_> YesMan_, try: xset +dpms && xset dpms <seconds>
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1020[13:51:10] <nvz> xset os for xserver
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1033[14:00:00] <bittin_> Debian 10.2 is now out, ISOS is still building but will be out on mirrors later today or tommorow
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1056[14:13:53] <B|ack0p> hi.
1057[14:14:12] <B|ack0p> in Software & Updates i am trying to remove a repository but it doesnt remove when i click remove
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1059[14:14:48] <nvz> B|ack0p: edit the files manually, put a # in front
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1061[14:14:59] <nvz> then apt update
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1063[14:15:18] <B|ack0p> nvz: i checked /etc/apt/sources.list but the repository i wanna delete doesnt exist
1064[14:15:47] <OerHeks> perhaps the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder
1065[14:15:59] <nvz> the main repos are there but additional ones can be loaded from files in sources.list.d/
1066[14:16:04] <FightingFalcon> hi
1067[14:16:16] <bittin-> hi
1068[14:16:24] <B|ack0p> there is also no sources.list.d
1069[14:16:30] <B|ack0p> ah wait
1070[14:16:38] <B|ack0p> it is a directory not a file
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1072[14:17:20] <OerHeks> just commenting out could give unwanted results, no updates ..
1073[14:17:34] <nvz> yes you can compartmentalize sour es in individual files in that dir
1074[14:17:46] <B|ack0p> nvz: thx i deleted the file
1075[14:17:50] <B|ack0p> another problem
1076[14:17:54] <nvz> thats fine
1077[14:18:16] <B|ack0p> i think Software&Update is problematic
1078[14:18:24] <nvz> it is
1079[14:18:26] <B|ack0p> why doesnt it remove in there?
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1081[14:18:46] <B|ack0p> also when i say close and revert it takes forever
1082[14:18:50] <B|ack0p> i had to kill it in terminal
1083[14:18:54] <nvz> we dont use that stuff much in debian so its less well maintained
1084[14:19:09] <B|ack0p> in ubuntu it was handy for me..
1085[14:19:15] <nvz> at one point we had a working software center like ubuntu
1086[14:19:17] <B|ack0p> isnt it same?
1087[14:19:42] <B|ack0p> well for app download i use software center but for repository i was using software&update
1088[14:19:48] <nvz> synaptic is the best workin gui package tool in debian
1089[14:20:06] <B|ack0p> i see
1090[14:20:14] <B|ack0p> i think i dont have synaptic
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1092[14:21:10] <nvz> ,i synaptic
1093[14:21:11] <judd> Package synaptic (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Graphical package manager. Version: 0.84.6; Size: 2033.7k; Installed: 7811k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1095[14:22:31] <B|ack0p> ok i installed it but doesnt run..
1096[14:25:15] <B|ack0p> something is wrong with my system
1097[14:25:27] <B|ack0p> i click on synaptic but it doesnt open
1098[14:25:42] <B|ack0p> and other apps seems to be delaying when i click on them
1099[14:26:32] <nvz> yeah well gotta check the logs, resources, etc
1100[14:26:34] <B|ack0p> !synaptic
1101[14:26:34] <dpkg> Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (also behaves well with aptitude too). replaced-url
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1103[14:27:24] <B|ack0p> Synaptic is installed by default in Debian if you choose the desktop task.
1104[14:27:25] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, run it in term.
1105[14:27:31] <nvz> B|ack0p: dpkg -l libc6 synaptic
1106[14:28:11] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
1107[14:28:35] <frickenate> What is the most accurate and efficient way to determine (in a bash script) whether a given string is equal to a valid apt package name (at any version). As an exact string match, or pattern that can be anchored similar to "^${pkg_name}$"
1108[14:29:07] <B|ack0p> it runs in terminal
1109[14:29:09] <frickenate> I imagine it's an `apt-cache` or `dpkg-query` command, but not sure.
1110[14:29:17] <B|ack0p> but why not when i click on it?
1111[14:29:20] <nvz> ,v synaptic
1112[14:29:21] <judd> Package: synaptic on amd64 -- jessie: 0.81.2; stretch: 0.84.2; buster: 0.84.6; bullseye: 0.84.8; sid: 0.84.8
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1115[14:30:00] <YesMan_> diogenes_, Hi, I don't have xset, I suppose it is part of the GUI. My debian is set up as a minimal server with CLI only
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1117[14:30:02] <nvz> B|ack0p: icon prob uses pkexec
1118[14:30:24] <nvz> to grant permissions
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1120[14:30:38] <B|ack0p> what can i do?
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1122[14:31:17] <nvz> YesMan_: yes setterm is the tool for that xset is onmy for gui
1123[14:31:33] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, first of all how did you start it from terminal?
1124[14:31:41] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: sugo synaptic
1125[14:31:44] <B|ack0p> sudo*
1126[14:32:18] <jelly> frickenate: an installed package or merely available?
1127[14:32:29] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, and now see the correct command in ls /usr/share/applications | grep synaptic
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1129[14:32:49] <B|ack0p> ok
1130[14:33:05] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: ~$ ls /usr/share/applications | grep synaptic
1131[14:33:05] <B|ack0p> synaptic.desktop
1132[14:33:15] <diogenes_> locate the name of the .desktop file and do: cat /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop | grep Exec
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1134[14:33:57] <B|ack0p> oh something happened
1135[14:34:19] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
1136[14:34:53] <B|ack0p> oh sorry
1137[14:34:55] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, so this is the correct command: synaptic-pkexec
1138[14:34:58] <nvz> you got somethin against paste.debian.net? :p
1139[14:35:08] <B|ack0p> nvz: no i didnt know it exist
1140[14:35:16] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: should i locate .desktop first? with cd ?
1141[14:35:22] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, try in terminal: synaptic-pkexec
1142[14:35:29] <B|ack0p> nvz: i was long time ubuntu user so i was use to that paste
1143[14:35:38] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: ok
1144[14:35:48] <nvz> it does and uses easier sequential decimsl urls for when im on mobile like now
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1146[14:36:24] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: paste.debian.net/plain/1116532
1147[14:36:33] <jelly> frickenate: "apt-cache show packagename" returns 0 if packagename is available from a configured repo, or installed or both, 100 if it's not, so you can use it in a test.
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1149[14:37:02] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, pastebin: ls /usr/share/polkit-1/actions
1150[14:37:40] <jelly> frickenate: note that it will show success even if it's an (obsolete or custom) package that's installed locally but not available from any repo
1151[14:37:45] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
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1154[14:38:10] <nvz> ls /usr/share/polkit-1/actions | nc termbin.com 9999
1155[14:38:19] <nvz> also works
1156[14:38:36] <diogenes_> nvz, then you have something agains debian paste :D
1157[14:38:55] <nvz> both are better pastebins
1158[14:39:10] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, now pastebin: cat /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.policy
1159[14:39:11] <nvz> nc unlike pastebinit is usually installed
1160[14:39:12] <B|ack0p> nvz: i am not good at terminal :/
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1163[14:39:36] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: is it only synaptic issue or general with my system setup?
1164[14:39:44] <B|ack0p> as i am a newbie maybe i did something wrong
1165[14:40:02] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, yes, most likely you messed up something.
1166[14:40:07] <B|ack0p> :S
1167[14:40:11] <nvz> try replacing sudo with pkexec
1168[14:40:23] <nvz> run it like the launcher would
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1170[14:40:33] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
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1172[14:40:42] <diogenes_> nvz, he gets this error: replaced-url
1173[14:41:02] <B|ack0p> what i did is using xfce after gnome :p
1174[14:41:09] <B|ack0p> and added my user name sudoers
1175[14:42:14] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, your policy looks ok, try just: pkexec synaptic (as nvz said)
1176[14:43:04] <B|ack0p> ok
1177[14:43:23] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: :~$ pkexec synaptic
1178[14:43:23] <B|ack0p> Cannot run program synaptic: No such file or directory
1179[14:43:53] <diogenes_> pkexec /usr/bin/synaptic
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1182[14:44:12] <B|ack0p> ~$ pkexec /usr/bin/synaptic
1183[14:44:13] <B|ack0p> Error accessing /usr/bin/synaptic: No such file or directory
1184[14:44:44] <diogenes_> oh wait, my bad: pkexec /usr/sbin/synaptic
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1186[14:45:27] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: same error : replaced-url
1187[14:45:40] <nvz> (which synaptic;echo $PATH;dpkg -L synaptic)|nc termbin.com 9999
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1190[14:46:42] <B|ack0p> huh
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1193[14:49:55] <nvz> hmm
1194[14:50:14] <nvz> looks like the polkitd may not be running
1195[14:50:22] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, try this one: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY /usr/sbin/synaptic
1196[14:50:30] <B|ack0p> is it my mistake or something is buggy already?
1197[14:50:35] <nvz> did you remove gnome?
1198[14:50:42] <B|ack0p> no
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1201[14:51:35] <nvz> i would login gnome and take not of the startup apps or wjatever it calls em and make sure xfce is starting the same polkit stuff
1202[14:51:45] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
1203[14:52:43] <nvz> easier rule out config by makin a new user
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1205[14:52:53] <diogenes_> yeah something weird with polkit.
1206[14:53:14] <nvz> of new user is able then its somethin in yoir homedir
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1208[14:53:54] <CrystalMath> a debian update broke my font again :(
1209[14:53:59] <CrystalMath> on stable
1210[14:54:02] <nvz> but if it runs in gnome then itz the xfce session
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1212[14:55:37] <B|ack0p> let me try in gnome?
1213[14:55:42] <CrystalMath> i really wish freetype made it an option, instead of making me patch the damn thing
1214[14:56:08] <CrystalMath> i'm going to have to fork freetype >.<
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1216[14:57:25] <jelly> !comfort CrystalMath
1217[14:57:25] <dpkg> There, there, CrystalMath. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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1219[14:59:26] <CrystalMath> :)
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1222[15:00:02] <B|ack0p> well i am on gnome classic now
1223[15:00:06] <B|ack0p> and synaptic runs fine
1224[15:00:20] <B|ack0p> it asks me password when starting
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1226[15:01:21] <nvz> then observe gnomes session/atartup and fix tje xfce to match
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1228[15:02:09] <B|ack0p> how?
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1230[15:02:30] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, then in XFCE session and startup enable polkit... and gnome services .
1231[15:02:42] <diogenes_> and re-log.
1232[15:02:51] <nvz> idk in the settings of each de is typically a list of startup commands the session manager syarts
1233[15:02:56] <B|ack0p> i wish i knew how to do
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1235[15:03:12] <B|ack0p> hmm maybe startup and session manager
1236[15:03:15] <B|ack0p> let me check
1237[15:03:27] <nvz> im on the hivhway on mobile i dont know off hand the play by play for those two de
1238[15:03:34] <nvz> look around :D
1239[15:03:36] <B|ack0p> ok brb
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1242[15:04:30] <diogenes_> nvz, you're breaking the law by driving and chatting at the same time, smh.
1243[15:05:28] <nvz> im not driving
1244[15:05:44] <nvz> im in passenger seat on way to a job
1245[15:05:52] <diogenes_> then it's ok :)
1246[15:06:28] <nvz> just left laptop at home cause im plannin on sellin it and dont wanna break it
1247[15:06:45] <nvz> gonna sell my t440 and get an x250 i think
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1250[15:08:09] <diogenes_> btw if that guy comes back then here is what he needs to enable in 'Application Autostart' in XFCE: replaced-url
1251[15:08:51] <nvz> limnoria has a later tell for this
1252[15:08:59] <nvz> freenode jas memoserv
1253[15:09:10] <nvz> dpkg person
1254[15:09:10] <dpkg> from memory, person is like a bot, but squishier
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1256[15:09:45] <jelly> dselect: later
1257[15:09:45] <dselect> yeah, see ya around whenever, jelly
1258[15:09:55] <jelly> dselect: help later
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1261[15:10:08] <jelly> nope, sorry
1262[15:10:21] <jelly> diogenes_: /msg MemoServ help
1263[15:10:35] <diogenes_> jelly, will do thanks.
1264[15:10:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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1266[15:11:19] <nvz> i would like to find the time to fixup the limnoria later tell
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1268[15:11:55] <nvz> near as i can tell it could use ability to msg and tell on join
1269[15:11:56] <B|ack0p> no luck
1270[15:12:00] <B|ack0p> still same on xfce
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1272[15:12:16] <B|ack0p> i click on synaptic and cursor is turning but not opening
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1275[15:13:48] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, check this out: replaced-url
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1277[15:14:10] <diogenes_> enable that and logout then back to XFCE.
1278[15:14:28] <B|ack0p> i need opera to open imgur links
1279[15:14:33] <B|ack0p> let me download and install
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1281[15:14:54] <nvz> thats a png can use wget or curl
1282[15:15:04] <nvz> its a direct link
1283[15:15:29] <diogenes_> nvz, afaik imgur is forbidden in his country.
1284[15:15:34] <diogenes_> Turkay afaik.
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1286[15:15:46] <B|ack0p> yes
1287[15:15:49] <nvz> ah
1288[15:15:53] <jelly> and Opera has a builtin proxy?
1289[15:16:21] <diogenes_> jelly, it has a vpn.
1290[15:16:38] <B|ack0p> why xfce is so buggy :S
1291[15:16:49] <B|ack0p> in software app i click on install but no action
1292[15:17:01] <B|ack0p> i am not sure if it installs or not
1293[15:17:36] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, it's not buggy at all, if you want XFCE then install Debian XFCE version because trying to migrate from one DE to another might be troublesome.
1294[15:17:55] <jelly> diogenes_: that's silly
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1296[15:18:13] <diogenes_> jelly, why?
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1298[15:18:33] <nvz> na i think there are common enough issues where session info on multiple de vets fubar for users
1299[15:18:40] <jelly> diogenes_: mere existence of a different DE installed should not break unrelated software from a different DE
1300[15:18:49] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: how will i install debian xfce?
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1302[15:19:01] <B|ack0p> i did install xfce4
1303[15:19:05] <nvz> it shouldnt but afaik there isnt yet a standard in freedesktop for startup
1304[15:19:13] <B|ack0p> !xfce
1305[15:19:14] <dpkg> Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. replaced-url
1306[15:19:25] <diogenes_> jelly, it's not about breaking stuff, it's about autostarting some services which one DE does and nother one might not or does it differently.
1307[15:19:27] <B|ack0p> !install xfce
1308[15:19:27] <jelly> B|ack0p: they're suggesting reinstalling the WHOLE OS, but picking xfce during install
1309[15:19:27] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
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1311[15:19:38] <B|ack0p> i see
1312[15:19:39] <jelly> B|ack0p: which I think is silly.
1313[15:19:47] <B|ack0p> yea sounds silly...
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1315[15:20:11] <B|ack0p> i didnt choose xfce during install because i thought i can install later
1316[15:20:21] <jelly> and you should be able to.
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1318[15:20:42] <jelly> if things are broken because of order of installation, it's a bug to fix
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1320[15:20:43] <B|ack0p> since yesterday i am trying to tweak this xfce
1321[15:21:06] <diogenes_> jelly, it would have been silly if B|ack0p wouldn't have this issue right now but since he experiences this issue then the idea to install a clean DE is sound enought in this particular situation.
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1323[15:21:31] <jelly> B|ack0p: you probably already tried using a fresh new user, to exclude broken settings saved in user's HOME?
1324[15:21:48] <karlpinc> I've never had trouble installing xfce after installation.
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1326[15:21:51] <B|ack0p> jelly: no i didnt
1327[15:21:55] <B|ack0p> but why need?
1328[15:22:08] <B|ack0p> i installed with debian default desktop
1329[15:22:14] <B|ack0p> then gnome and xfce and mate
1330[15:22:17] <jelly> B|ack0p: it's a thing to try while debugging, to see what triggers an issue.
1331[15:22:20] <B|ack0p> everything is fine in gnome
1332[15:22:33] <B|ack0p> but it is slow
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1335[15:22:50] <humbot> the trouble comes if you need diskspace and remove the original desktop environment you had, and it takes loads of important stuff with it
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1337[15:23:00] <jelly> while debugging DE issues in particular
1338[15:23:06] <B|ack0p> i see
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1342[15:23:35] <jelly> add a new user, log out, log in as fresh user with the desired DE, see if things work better
1343[15:23:41] <B|ack0p> but if i install every desktop environments possible during debian installation, i dont want every app 4-5 times
1344[15:23:54] <B|ack0p> mate installs its own terminal xfce too kde too gnome too
1345[15:23:59] <B|ack0p> why is that?
1346[15:24:03] <B|ack0p> it is annoying
1347[15:24:32] <jelly> that's inescapable consequence if you want to allow users to mix and match
1348[15:24:50] <jelly> maybe I use xfce with Konsole.
1349[15:25:03] <B|ack0p> what is that?
1350[15:25:08] <jelly> KDE's terminal.
1351[15:25:15] <B|ack0p> hmm
1352[15:25:15] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, btw here is the ISO that i installed Debian XFCE from and it has no issues: replaced-url
1353[15:25:55] <diogenes_> there you can pick any ISO with the desired DE already setup and running.
1354[15:26:15] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: i would like that but i have 512mb flash stick only :/
1355[15:26:48] <Ankman> diogenes_: B|ack0p can install xfce alongside gnome and then choosewhat to use
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1357[15:27:06] <Ankman> i meant no need for a new installation
1358[15:27:13] <jelly> Ankman: they already did that, and now are complaining
1359[15:27:15] <diogenes_> Ankman, that's what he did ^^^
1360[15:27:36] <Ankman> oh, i missed that part
1361[15:27:39] <jelly> because OMG seven different terminals
1362[15:28:44] <jelly> B|ack0p: you might even choose to use none of those DE terminals and go with, dunno, rxvt-unicode instead
1363[15:28:47] <B|ack0p> jelly: it says invalid user every use i am trying
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1365[15:29:05] <B|ack0p> user*
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1367[15:29:09] <B|ack0p> i am trying to create
1368[15:29:23] <jelly> B|ack0p: how are you creating a new user? Just run "adduser test2" as root to create a user named "test2"
1369[15:29:34] <jelly> and answer the questions
1370[15:29:42] <B|ack0p> oh wait
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1373[15:30:14] <B|ack0p> answer which questions?
1374[15:30:42] <B|ack0p> brb to test the new user
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1376[15:31:20] <livebrain> lol the ppl doesnt ecen the most basic stuff about debian
1377[15:31:36] <livebrain> seriously , asking about creating a new user ?
1378[15:31:54] <livebrain> ecen/even read
1379[15:32:23] <jelly> livebrain: yes seriously. Users have different backgrounds and different advance knowledge. No shame in that.
1380[15:32:42] <livebrain> yes no shame indeed
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1382[15:32:56] <livebrain> but its better to read the documentation
1383[15:33:00] <jelly> the language barrier also plays a part
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1387[15:34:29] <livebrain> and its really about creating habits , teaching ppl how to find the answers
1388[15:34:38] <livebrain> in the future it will be much better
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1391[15:35:24] <B|ack0p> back on new user
1392[15:35:26] <B|ack0p> and same
1393[15:35:32] <B|ack0p> synaptic doesnt run
1394[15:35:40] <B|ack0p> seems xfce is buggy
1395[15:35:43] <B|ack0p> imo
1396[15:35:51] <jelly> that's entirely possible.
1397[15:36:23] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, not buggy here so i can't be buggy there too.
1398[15:36:46] <B|ack0p> maybe installation package was buggy
1399[15:36:54] <B|ack0p> apt install xfce4
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1402[15:37:15] <diogenes_> as i said, i never liked the idea of installing DE on top of another DE especially if you're a new user.
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1404[15:37:31] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: so do you suggest to use only 1 DE?
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1406[15:37:42] <B|ack0p> not change it?
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1408[15:37:46] <livebrain> why diogenes_ ?
1409[15:37:58] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, at least till you get more skills in debugging and fixing the issues, yes.
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1412[15:39:02] <livebrain> replaced-url
1413[15:39:04] <diogenes_> livebrain, because imagine this thing, a new user tries a distro then he wants to try another DE and finds some random command on google and fter running thise commands he gets a broken sysntem then he starts to blame that it's DE that's broken.
1414[15:39:09] <livebrain> give it a read
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1416[15:39:20] <diogenes_> then he makes the wrong impression about the whole concept of linux
1417[15:39:31] <livebrain> it has somethibg on how to install xfce
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1419[15:39:55] <B|ack0p> that someone is me :p
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1421[15:40:08] <livebrain> diogenes_: its all about creating habits, ppl should read the oficial documentation first
1422[15:40:33] <ogo> what happens when I chose sysvinit from grub boot loader? how is that different from the regular boot?
1423[15:40:37] <livebrain> before trying oit random comands on some forum
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1425[15:41:15] <diogenes_> livebrain, people are different, one wants to learn how to fish, another one wants a fish and doesn't wnat to learn and it's wrong to give them one instead of the other.
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1427[15:41:29] <diogenes_> want*
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1430[15:41:40] <humbot> what
1431[15:42:15] <jelly> B|ack0p: did you install xfce-goodies or just xfce4 package?
1432[15:42:33] <livebrain> xfce4 should be enough
1433[15:42:56] <jelly> B|ack0p: on my buster system, starting synaptic from the menu opens a pkexec modal window asking me for administrator's password
1434[15:43:02] <jelly> !install xfce
1435[15:43:03] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
1436[15:43:14] <livebrain> just go on that link and see how to run xfc4 either from the login manager or from console
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1438[15:43:16] <B|ack0p> jelly: goodies too
1439[15:43:18] <jelly> livebrain: going off that ^
1440[15:43:42] <B|ack0p> jelly: yes that command
1441[15:43:49] <jelly> B|ack0p: do you not even get the password window at all?
1442[15:43:57] <B|ack0p> nothing opens at all
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1444[15:44:09] <B|ack0p> cursors turns circles like it will open something but not
1445[15:44:10] <livebrain> run it from the terminal
1446[15:44:16] <livebrain> and see the errors
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1448[15:44:27] <B|ack0p> and when i logout after that a splash appears for a second with errors
1449[15:44:37] <jelly> B|ack0p: your session might be incomplete/broken. Which DM (display manager, the thing showing the graphical login prompt) are you using?
1450[15:44:45] <B|ack0p> and then it struggles to login again..
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1452[15:44:59] <B|ack0p> jelly: default one
1453[15:45:03] <B|ack0p> hmm
1454[15:45:07] <B|ack0p> gdm3 i think
1455[15:45:08] <jelly> B|ack0p: ps -fe |grep dm
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1457[15:45:49] <B|ack0p> jelly: replaced-url
1458[15:46:21] <jelly> starting an xfce session from sddm (DM used by KDE) seems to work better here, at least pkexec seems to work
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1461[15:47:01] <jelly> B|ack0p: so it's gdm3. it ought to work, but maybe there's buggy interaction between gdm and xfce
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1464[15:47:47] <B|ack0p> i dont know.
1465[15:48:06] <B|ack0p> if there is small net install package of xfce i can install again
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1468[15:48:16] <B|ack0p> debian-xfce
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1470[15:48:45] <jelly> B|ack0p: task-xfce-desktop picks "lightdm" instead. You could try installing and picking lightdm instead of gdm3 as DM, if that helps it means there's a bug between gdm3 and xfce.
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1473[15:49:20] <B|ack0p> ok
1474[15:49:41] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, let's see if you have the services before you install anything.
1475[15:49:59] <diogenes_> patebin: ls ~/.config/autostart
1476[15:50:09] <diogenes_> also: ls /etc/xdg/autostart
1477[15:50:18] <B|ack0p> ok
1478[15:51:17] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
1479[15:51:22] <jelly> what services?
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1481[15:52:02] <B|ack0p> jelly: task-xfce-desktop doesnt run..
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1483[15:52:16] <jelly> B|ack0p: sorry?
1484[15:52:37] <diogenes_> wow, B|ack0p it looks like you have lots of mate packages, gnome packages and xfce packages and services that autostarting, that's a mess.
1485[15:52:45] <diogenes_> so you installed mate too?
1486[15:52:48] <B|ack0p> jelly: you suggested me do task-xfce-desktop ?
1487[15:52:51] <jelly> B|ack0p: no
1488[15:53:03] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: yes
1489[15:53:05] <jelly> B|ack0p: > try installing and picking lightdm instead of gdm3 as DM
1490[15:53:18] <B|ack0p> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
1491[15:53:32] <jelly> and install it first, if it's not installed.
1492[15:53:35] <B|ack0p> done
1493[15:53:45] <B|ack0p> i need to restart now
1494[15:53:47] <YesMan> Hey still trying to turn off the display on my laptop server. setterm doesn't fully work via SSH, while all commands work locally. Why? and is there a way to make it work via ssh?
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1497[15:54:10] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, ok if that won't work then come back we gonna try to make a bit of order in that mess of services
1498[15:54:40] <jelly> diogenes_: and they're missing some gnome bits.
1499[15:54:59] <jelly> /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop # not there
1500[15:55:16] <diogenes_> jelly, that's what i thought, many things
1501[15:55:23] <diogenes_> many things are missing.
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1503[15:55:46] <Akuw> i am getting this when try to add printer W [15/Nov/2019:23:30:29 -0300] CreateProfile failed: org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists:profile id \'EPSON_TM_BA_Printer-Gray..\' already exists
1504[15:56:14] <diogenes_> turns out it uses polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1.desktop instead of polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop
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1508[15:56:55] <B|ack0p> jelly: i am on lightdm and synaptic doesnt run
1509[15:57:05] <jelly> that's interesting.
1510[15:57:11] <B|ack0p> i can re-install debian
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1512[15:57:24] <B|ack0p> but is there any small package of xfce iso ?
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1514[15:57:53] <jelly> B|ack0p: did you install this system with Mate initially?
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1516[15:59:07] <jelly> B|ack0p: and does, by any chance, a password window open if you try to start synaptic when logged in in Mate?
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1526[16:02:11] <B|ack0p> jelly: i installed debian without nothing just default one
1527[16:02:24] <B|ack0p> later i installed gnome shell and xfce and mate
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1529[16:02:43] <B|ack0p> and no password window opening
1530[16:03:04] <jelly> B|ack0p: is policykit-1-gnome package installed?
1531[16:03:26] <B|ack0p> not sure
1532[16:03:50] <jelly> B|ack0p: dplg -l packagename and look at the last line.
1533[16:04:11] <B|ack0p> not installed
1534[16:04:32] <jelly> hmm. Just for fun, install it, log off, log on with xfce and see if there's a difference
1535[16:04:33] <B|ack0p> un policykit-1-gnome <none> <none> (no description available)
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1538[16:05:14] <B|ack0p> ok brb
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1540[16:06:19] * jelly notes the line in file /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop, saying:
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1542[16:06:27] <jelly> OnlyShowIn=XFCE;Unity;X-Cinnamon;
1543[16:06:28] <B|ack0p> jelly: finally synaptic opens :p
1544[16:06:53] <B|ack0p> password dialog window opens when i click on synaptic and then opens
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1546[16:07:05] <B|ack0p> but cursor keeps opening..
1547[16:07:12] <B|ack0p> keeps turning*
1548[16:07:24] <jelly> does synaptic start?
1549[16:07:27] <B|ack0p> yes
1550[16:07:40] <jelly> okay. I don't know what the cursor is about.
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1552[16:07:53] <jelly> can you click on stuff and use synaptic?
1553[16:08:00] <B|ack0p> yes
1554[16:08:25] <B|ack0p> software also works now to install opera
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1556[16:08:35] <B|ack0p> and it installs :p
1557[16:08:44] <B|ack0p> thx jelly :)
1558[16:08:48] <jelly> it seems you had Mate installed before Gnome or Xfce, and that brought Mate policykit agent, which does not start in Xfce automatically.
1559[16:08:53] <B|ack0p> i didnt want to make diogenes upset //
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1562[16:09:03] <B|ack0p> jelly: no first i installed gnome
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1564[16:09:11] <B|ack0p> maybe i couldnt install it properly
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1566[16:09:23] <jelly> and when Gnome got installed, it did not have a hard dependency on its own polkit agent
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1568[16:10:00] <jelly> so yes, order of installation of different DEs can result in missing functionality
1569[16:10:10] <B|ack0p> should i do anything now?
1570[16:10:17] <B|ack0p> first i need to remove test user
1571[16:11:09] <jelly> diogenes was on the right track, you can thank them as well when they get back
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1573[16:11:55] <jelly> even if they suggested the nuclear option as solution
1574[16:12:39] <B|ack0p> yes diogenes helped me a lot before about xfce
1575[16:13:00] <jelly> B|ack0p: "deluser username" or "userdel -r username", as root
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1577[16:13:06] * jelly now really gone
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1580[16:15:02] <B|ack0p> jelly: thx
1581[16:15:06] <B|ack0p> goodbye
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1586[16:16:22] <YesMan> What's the current way of setting up wake on lan? Is it still with ethtool?
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1611[16:35:02] <ogo> what happens when I choose sysvinit from grub boot loader? how is that different from the regular boot?
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1614[16:35:55] <diogenes_> ogo, where you see sysvinit?
1615[16:36:26] <ogo> in the "Advanced Option" submenu in the grub menu wjen I start booting the system
1616[16:36:50] <ogo> it lists three times the kernel two ofthem ae sysvinit and recovery mode
1617[16:36:59] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: synaptic issue is fixed
1618[16:37:02] <B|ack0p> thx for your helps
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1620[16:38:04] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, how did you fix it?
1621[16:38:26] <B|ack0p> jelly: suggested me to install gnome-policykit
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1623[16:38:36] <B|ack0p> then synaptic started working
1624[16:38:51] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, yeah that one was missing.
1625[16:38:55] <B|ack0p> yes
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1628[16:39:12] <B|ack0p> software also working i could install opera
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1631[16:40:22] <diogenes_> ogo, sysvinit is the old init system that was replaced by systemd.
1632[16:40:25] <diogenes_> !sysvinit
1633[16:40:26] <dpkg> sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default when <dependency based startup> is enabled. sysvinit hasn't been able to correctly boot the Linux kernel since 2003, which is why alternatives have been actively pursued.
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1636[16:42:13] <ogo> hmmm, weird. I have currently booted using the sysvinit option and I don't notice anything not working!
1637[16:43:12] <ogo> (the reason I boot sysvinit is that afetr an upgrade my ordinary boot option does't work in that I get to graphicla login of xfce but then it freezes, so I was thinking of always booting in sysvinit)
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1662[17:01:47] <boktan> hi i cannot uninstall one package i do get error everytime how to remove it? replaced-url
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1664[17:03:34] <B|ack0p> boktan: it is shitty right?
1665[17:03:44] <boktan> :D yes
1666[17:03:57] <B|ack0p> :)
1667[17:04:10] <boktan> can you please help me to fix my shitty problem? :D
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1670[17:04:29] <B|ack0p> sorry i am not expert on linux debian :/
1671[17:04:44] <BrianMiller> Why does reading from /dev/random deplete the entropy pool whereas reading from /dev/urandom doesn't?
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1674[17:07:17] <YesMan> boktan try apt-get remove --fix-broken
1675[17:07:48] <boktan> this i already did
1676[17:08:14] <YesMan> and what happend? you can try --purge also
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1678[17:08:32] <boktan> nothing happend is already fixed purge same result
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1680[17:08:42] <boktan> i dont know what kind of shitty package that is
1681[17:08:49] <boktan> virus is more userfriendly
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1695[17:17:03] <cybrNaut> how can i label a whole disk volume? a USB drive used to have a knoppix ISO on it. I removed all partitions and created a new GPT partition, and labeled the partition. But the disk itself still has the "knoppix" label
1696[17:17:24] <cybrNaut> it seems I need a tool called "glabel", but aptitude doesn't find it
1697[17:19:05] <Furry_Kitty> How does the #flood work?
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1733[17:27:38] <hilt> I don't know, man.
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1745[17:34:31] <cybrNaut> got my answer - and the answer is a bit disturbing
1746[17:34:50] <cybrNaut> "parted" cannot change the disk label, but "gparted" can
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1749[17:35:34] <cybrNaut> the CLI should not have less capability than the GUI
1750[17:36:26] <notsoever> 2 step auth work in debian . i am non fidelity OS
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1752[17:37:10] <notsoever> work in ubuntu.... may i say...:
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1754[17:37:53] <notsoever> copy and paste him the process to install
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1757[17:39:04] <notsoever> people just dont complein
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1759[17:39:33] <notsoever> worked! ok not! other
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1762[17:41:04] <notsoever> dont ask help unless for a particular motive to stick without amazon
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1764[17:41:57] <notsoever> and bunch non recognised drivers
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1771[17:44:47] <bluejaypop> hi team, i'm trying to generate a custom image, basically what I want is to have installed an application with all the dependencies and the config files, i'm following the live systems guide but I see only live cds and I don't need a livecd. I need like a "normal" installation but when it finishes i can setup all the setup files I have.
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1776[17:47:02] <cybrNaut> bluejaypop: i think the general keyword for what you're after is PRESEED. search for that.
1777[17:47:23] <bluejaypop> cybrNaut, oh thank you, i will look for it.
1778[17:47:28] <cybrNaut> but i should warn you, i went down the path of preseeding and it was a disaster for me
1779[17:48:03] <un214> I got it working though
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1781[17:48:59] <cybrNaut> iirc, my problem was that the preseeding functionality couldn't handle the partitioning & cryptsetup layout i needed
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1783[17:49:24] <cybrNaut> it got stuck in a loop
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1785[17:50:17] <un214> oh; my technique was utterly different
1786[17:50:41] <notsoever> its all in nsa mommy
1787[17:51:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
1788[17:51:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> im trying to find details on my bluetooth mic/headset.
1789[17:51:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> where are the volume controls..
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1791[17:52:05] <notsoever> keek me short in storage
1792[17:52:10] <un214> debootstrap the whole thing into a chroot jail, tarball up the chroot jail, burn to cd along with boot/fdisk initrd, boot cd on target machine, partition disks, mount disks, untar into new root, write /etc/fstab, grub-install, reboot
1793[17:53:01] <notsoever> iam in jail kk not so much
1794[17:54:00] <notsoever> 2 step auth with google works
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1796[17:54:11] <notsoever> by myself
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1798[17:54:55] <notsoever> amazon....
1799[17:55:17] <notsoever> y know sad
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1805[17:58:14] <notsoever> many fails to old hardware in debian install
1806[17:58:32] <notsoever> old?
1807[17:58:51] <notsoever> indulge me 10 y
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1810[18:00:16] <notsoever> other channel have so MANY STARS
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1820[18:05:14] <notsoever> christ
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1827[18:07:41] <notsoever> so much security for an unsafe world is madness
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1832[18:09:30] <notsoever> i have a problem?
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1835[18:12:07] <wasamasa> yes, a drug problem
1836[18:12:13] <wasamasa> language problem, too
1837[18:12:31] <OS-59950> hi can someone help lab ?
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1839[18:12:46] <notsoever> i saved
1840[18:12:46] <bn`> Most people don't have a drug problem, but they have a problem without drugs.
1841[18:13:12] <wasamasa> OS-59950: the folks at #offsec
1842[18:13:41] <notsoever> in vm i declared how to you say taxes
1843[18:13:52] <notsoever> lost
1844[18:13:57] <notsoever> in root
1845[18:14:02] <OS-59950> /join #offsec
1846[18:14:29] <OS-59950> /msg
1847[18:14:57] <OS-59950> /msg NickServ OS-59950
1848[18:15:00] <notsoever> regain my precious rs is real
1849[18:15:08] <OS-59950> hi how do I offsec ?
1850[18:15:44] <notsoever> in your cammand
1851[18:15:51] <zellfaze_> OS-59950: Don't put a space at the beginning.
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1854[18:17:29] <notsoever> people change
1855[18:17:44] <notsoever> thank you
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1859[18:20:56] <notsoever> i forgot root
1860[18:21:30] <wasamasa> jelly: could you do something about that blathering drunk ^
1861[18:21:51] <notsoever> upside ubuntu safe with 2 step auth
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1867[18:23:05] <notsoever> the pasword for historical is sad damn
1868[18:23:56] <notsoever> 8?
1869[18:24:19] <notsoever> myson999
1870[18:24:27] <notsoever> not so much
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1875[18:27:47] <YesMan> Are setterm settings saved on reboot?
1876[18:27:47] <notsoever> gonna be easy to restart.... ass relachinship
1877[18:28:31] <notsoever> linux is you all the way?
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1879[18:28:46] <notsoever> never reboot!
1880[18:30:06] <notsoever> acept programers
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1884[18:33:00] <notsoever> condor gain? malvado. i drink. sorry.
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1890[18:35:05] <jhutchins_wk> !ops notsoever is spamming the channel
1891[18:35:05] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: jhutchins_wk complains about a problem (see above)
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1895[18:36:22] <notsoever> i did in ubuntu 2 step auth
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1897[18:36:48] <notsoever> i forgot
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1899[18:36:56] <notsoever> s*
1900[18:38:11] <notsoever> excuse my memory
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1902[18:39:19] <notsoever> best rely in a non * ever
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1906[18:41:38] <annadane> i see ubuntu is leaking the crazy people
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1909[18:43:30] <notsoever> they are stong
1910[18:43:45] <notsoever> no stress
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1912[18:44:22] <notsoever> get payed?
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1916[18:45:32] <YesMan> I'd like to execute "setterm --powerdown 1 --powersave powerdown" on boot to turn off the monitor locally. is there a place for this? I tried bashrc, but it's executed on login, even remote login
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1921[18:46:28] <notsoever> i losed in firs command
1922[18:46:31] <jhutchins_wk> !rc.local
1923[18:46:31] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
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1925[18:47:01] <notsoever> go to bootstrap in the4m
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1930[18:49:26] <YesMan> jhutchins, thanks, I'd rather go the "right way" so writing a systemd daemon is the way to go?
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1935[18:51:03] <notsoever> old hadware u r cnady
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1938[18:53:06] <notsoever> prostitute
1939[18:53:12] <notsoever> come in
1940[18:53:43] <notsoever> ass i ever sayed
1941[18:54:05] <notsoever> dont mess
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1944[18:54:36] <notsoever> chmod +r
1945[18:55:13] <notsoever> ass i needed
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1953[19:02:45] <martigan> What is the recommended way to stop changes being made to resolv.conf in Buster? resolvconf, modifying dhclient or chattr +i? Is replaced-url
1954[19:02:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1961[19:06:32] <ratrace> martigan: modify dhclient. there's a hook script you can google, for /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/
1962[19:07:17] <annadane> i'm curious, when needrestart offers to restart dbus that basically means a reboot, right?
1963[19:07:20] <notsoever> dust
1964[19:07:33] <notsoever> not
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1966[19:08:28] <ratrace> annadane: I thought so too, then I read somewhere that lately dbus upgrades don't need reboot any more. Or, to be precise, *systemd* doesn't need reboot for dbus restart. Could be wrong as I'm not 100% sure. So far we had no dbus update in Buster methinks?
1967[19:08:36] <notsoever> 99 uber
1968[19:08:38] <ratrace> In stretch you definitely had to reboot
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1970[19:09:03] <annadane> i had systemd and udev upgrade, i think, from 10.1 -> 10.2... i just said screw it and rebooted anyway
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1972[19:10:02] <jelly> notsoever: keep your lines in here to tech questions or tech support please. We have #debian-offtopic for non-support.
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1974[19:10:13] <notsoever> gave me 2 boots you and the
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1980[19:11:30] <annadane> i think i've tried letting needrestart restart dbus, in stretch though - and it just hangs forever
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1982[19:11:58] <Alver> Hi. I notice that there's missing firmware for my hardware in Debian (unstable); the firmware-linux-nonfree is from 07/2019. It seems to be fixed in Ubuntu since a few days; when can I expect it to arrive in Debian too?
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1984[19:13:29] <nvz> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
1985[19:13:30] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2
1986[19:14:07] <Alver> nvz: correct. Pretty old, as you can tell :)
1987[19:14:14] <notsoever> finux-free forgot
1988[19:14:37] <ratrace> annadane: I'd probably reboot too, just to be safe. Those are unfortunately sweeping, critical, overreaching components of the OS, so better be safe than sorry.
1989[19:15:03] <jelly> Alver: file a bug report, if you're running unstable, you're aware its purpose is to help fixing things that are broken.
1990[19:15:06] <notsoever> gonna race for
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1997[19:15:54] <Alver> jelly: yes, of course. Figured that since it's a standard inclusion of new firmwares it would hit anyway soonish, but since it means bluetooth, I'm out of a mouse currently. :°)
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1999[19:16:34] <martigan> ratrace: Thank you, I saw the hook script here replaced-url
2000[19:16:35] <jelly> notsoever: it's very hard to understand what you're writing and you're making too much noise. I've quieted you for 10 minutes. Try to use full sentences next time and keep on topic.
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2002[19:16:41] <nvz> firmware is usually a single file in /lib/firmware
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2005[19:17:41] <jelly> now why did that +q not work
2006[19:18:07] <jelly> !debian-next
2007[19:18:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2008[19:18:10] <jelly> Alver: ^
2009[19:18:11] <Alver> nvz: Uhuh. Downloaded the blob from kernel.org in the meantime.
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2011[19:18:15] <B|ack0p> how can i remove Mate desktop?
2012[19:18:30] <Alver> jelly: ah, heh. Good to know, thanks.
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2015[19:18:45] <B|ack0p> or does removing it ruin other desktops?
2016[19:18:45] <nvz> B|ack0p: how did you install it?
2017[19:18:55] <B|ack0p> dont remember
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2019[19:18:57] <B|ack0p> !mate
2020[19:18:57] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
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2022[19:19:04] <B|ack0p> !install mate
2023[19:19:04] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
2024[19:19:09] <B|ack0p> probably like this
2025[19:19:51] <nvz> then do apt autoremove mate-desktop*
2026[19:20:17] <B|ack0p> as root?
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2028[19:20:36] <nvz> if you want it to do it, sure
2029[19:20:36] <grimR_> yes root
2030[19:20:49] <B|ack0p> i did as user "sudo"
2031[19:20:50] <B|ack0p> is it ok?
2032[19:20:54] <grimR_> yep
2033[19:20:58] <B|ack0p> thx
2034[19:21:02] <grimR_> sure
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2059[19:30:44] <otyugh> hey ; any idea how to associate a driver's name to a debian package ? I don't find a way to reliably bind theses too things
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2078[19:37:55] <jelly> otyugh: what kind of driver? kernel third party from dkms? printer?
2079[19:38:26] <otyugh> All drivers available
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2082[19:40:08] <otyugh> but if I could have a way to reliably find one, I could re-use the method in a loop, right ?
2083[19:40:13] <jelly> otyugh: most kernel drivers come in the kernel package. Can you point out anything specific?
2084[19:40:48] <otyugh> Yeah. For instant let say I want to know what driver is included in "firmware-samsung"
2085[19:40:53] <otyugh> I wasn't able to find out
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2090[19:42:01] <otyugh> (their corresponding .ko in "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)")
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2092[19:42:53] <Habbie> otyugh, you don't mean " apt-file list firmware-samsung " right?
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2094[19:43:47] <jelly> otyugh: there are NO drivers included in any firmware-* packages at all. It's only firmware.
2095[19:43:47] <otyugh> Habbie, I looked that way first. But theses files don't teach me the drivers name. It's just giving the firmwares files which have... Other names.
2096[19:43:54] <Habbie> ack
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2099[19:45:51] <otyugh> jelly, let me review why I thought that, then.
2100[19:46:14] <jelly> otyugh: if you're looking for the answer to "which driver might use this particular firmware file", you'll probably have to run "modinfo" on every single .ko for a kernel
2101[19:46:26] <otyugh> I did that !
2102[19:46:33] <martigan> So I tried the hook script recommended in replaced-url
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2107[19:47:07] <otyugh> With no avail. Most .ko file have no valid firmware file, or not valide filename I could find using "apt-file search"
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2112[19:48:11] <otyugh> jelly, my ultimate goal was to list the relevent firmware packages to the hardware (using lspci -n)
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2114[19:48:30] <martigan> Is it ill advised to use chattr +i on resolv.conf?
2115[19:48:43] <Habbie> martigan, yes
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2117[19:49:06] <jelly> !override dns
2118[19:49:06] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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2123[19:52:47] <otyugh> maybe I'm doing this all wrong. Instead of looking for a logic between driver<=>firmware, I should look for a list of "vendor:device" for each firmware
2124[19:54:35] <otyugh> Does theses list exist somewhere ? I found one written in the middle of a .gz documentation of radeon, but this is rather the exception.
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2126[19:54:57] <boktan> i get this on boot /dev/nvme0n1p6: clean, 11/22896640 files, 1716954/91579392 blocks how to fix it?
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2131[20:02:06] <otyugh> Random question : is the debian.net forum totally dead ?
2132[20:02:39] <boktan> on boot i get /dev/nvme0n1p6: clean, 11/22896640 files, 1716954/91579392 blocks how to fix this and what means it?
2133[20:02:53] <otyugh> boktan, this is not an error message
2134[20:02:56] <Habbie> boktan, that is not an error
2135[20:03:03] <Habbie> boktan, you should start with 'what is it', not with 'how to fix it' :)
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2137[20:03:18] <boktan> :D what means this? Habbie
2138[20:03:22] <otyugh> it only means fsck checked your filesystem and said "ok, this is a sane filesystem".
2139[20:03:36] <boktan> hmm thank you for this information
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2155[20:12:14] <karlpinc> otyugh: You're looking for pciid information?
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2158[20:14:15] <otyugh> I'm looking for a way to associate each PCI device to their firmware package. And I'm failing at it, I really don't find any way to do it, only partially.
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2161[20:15:05] <tjt263> hey, what's DLA and DSA stand for?
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2163[20:15:21] <karlpinc> otyugh: The judd bot has a db of pciids. I forget what's there but maybe it would be helpful?
2164[20:16:22] <frikinz> judd: pciid 8086:a348
2165[20:16:23] <judd> [8086:a348] is 'Cannon Lake PCH cAVS' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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2168[20:17:20] <otyugh> it would be helpful if I could deduc the firmware package from this
2169[20:17:22] <otyugh> ^^'
2170[20:17:57] <teardown> jigdo refuses to build the debian i386 7.2.0 image from the jigdo file and template on the mirror. here is the error, what am i doing wrong, and why must we jigdo in 2019 ==> replaced-url
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2192[20:35:29] <teardown> appearantly only jigdo-lite works...
2193[20:36:33] <hummingbee> is that really debian 7.2?
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2195[20:36:53] <teardown> hummingbee: what do you mean
2196[20:37:13] <teardown> yes i am really trying to download 7.2.0
2197[20:37:23] <hummingbee> oh
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2202[20:42:05] <m712> is there any way i can delete a crypto partition in debian-installer?
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2204[20:42:19] <m712> i'm stuck with it now, can't undo
2205[20:42:33] <m712> do i have to restart the installer?
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2207[20:43:39] <otyugh> m712, you shouldn't, but if you are stuck, here is your workaround.
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2212[20:44:10] <m712> i tried to close the crypt disk with cryptsetup now
2213[20:44:15] <m712> i should mention i'm doing this over ssh
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2218[20:44:41] *** eir sets mode: -qbo *!*@fttx-17713614789.usr.predialnet.com.br *!*@fttx-17713614789.usr.predialnet.com.br eir
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2221[20:46:23] <m712> well using parted to delete partition #1 did the trick
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2223[20:47:06] <m712> i was trying to encrypt my /boot but debian installer grumbled about the system not being bootable
2224[20:47:35] <drybjed> hello. is there a way to find programatically current version of the debian installer? for example current Stable release is 20190702+deb10u2, is there an URL I could GET to find out this version somehow?
2225[20:47:36] <m712> so i guess that's post-install
2226[20:47:56] <m712> drybjed: it should be in the Packages file i think
2227[20:48:04] <m712> in any debian repo
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2229[20:48:33] <Habbie> replaced-url
2230[20:48:37] <Habbie> but, harder to parse
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2234[20:50:03] <m712> you can grep for replaced-url
2235[20:50:11] <m712> or something like that.
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2238[20:50:47] <Habbie> i'd rather parse Packages ;)
2239[20:51:08] <drybjed> Habbie: where's the Packages file these days?
2240[20:51:35] <Habbie> replaced-url
2241[20:51:51] <Habbie> eh
2242[20:52:00] <Habbie> here we go replaced-url
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2245[20:53:02] <drybjed> Habbie: thanks, but these are zipped. And 10 MB at that. :-)
2246[20:53:08] <Habbie> yes
2247[20:53:16] <Habbie> that's why i said the html page is smaller, but harder to parse
2248[20:54:03] <drybjed> I suppose m712 idea might be the easiest to implement, thanks
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2250[20:54:09] <m712> curl replaced-url
2251[20:54:23] <m712> or rather
2252[20:54:30] <m712> curl replaced-url
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2254[20:54:36] <m712> exact match
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2257[20:55:08] <m712> -A 1 should be enough also
2258[20:55:11] <boktan> where can i find the default /etc/bash.bashrc file from kali? i accidently removed it
2259[20:55:13] <m712> i'm not sure if the fields move
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2261[20:55:22] <m712> boktan: i think the skel package contains it
2262[20:55:34] <m712> or rather
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2264[20:55:45] <drybjed> m712: I want to implement that in Ansible so zipped content will not really work for me :)
2265[20:55:47] <m712> bash package*
2266[20:55:54] <Habbie> it's in the bash package on debian
2267[20:55:58] <m712> boktan: sudo apt install --reinstall bash
2268[20:56:06] <Habbie> drybjed, so, i have to ask, what use is this number for you?
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2270[20:56:32] <m712> checking for updates for something
2271[20:56:37] <m712> package caching maybe
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2274[20:57:29] <drybjed> Habbie: I have an Ansible role that deploys iPXE environment with Debian netinst, with versioned installs in subdirectories. currently on each Debian release I need to update the installer version numbers, so I'm looking for a way to automate that
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2276[20:57:42] <Habbie> ah
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2284[21:00:27] <drybjed> but it looks like getting the exact version string might not be really that easy at the moment. perhaps I'll just automate getting the checksums first, version numbers can come later
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2315[21:22:15] <elm_> I have some problems with my sound hardware: replaced-url
2316[21:22:27] <elm_> only the hdmi sound output of the graphics card works
2317[21:22:55] <elm_> but not the integrated 82801JD of the ICH10
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2322[21:26:04] <elm_> both pavucontrol and alsamixer show only the hdmi sound device
2323[21:26:39] <elm_> #/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart does not do the trick either
2324[21:27:15] <elm_> is there some parameter I need to pass to the snd_hda_intel kernel module?
2325[21:27:32] <elm_> there is only /sys/class/sound/card1 but not card2
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2330[21:30:32] <elm_> I have an installation where it worked but I can not boot that one any more#
2331[21:30:47] <elm_> I may inspect some configuration files though
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2337[21:36:02] <jhutchins> elm_: Which driver are you using?
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2341[21:37:03] <elm_> snd_had_intel is the kernel module
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2343[21:37:19] <elm_> if I rmmod it everything under /sys/class/sound disappears
2344[21:37:29] <elm_> I think pulseaudio is preinstalled
2345[21:37:37] <elm_> how can I find that out?
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2350[21:40:51] <elm_> firmware-intel-sound was not installed; perhaps reboot
2351[21:41:01] <jhutchins> Well, it says your audio is provided by the radeon chipset, I was wondering what radeon driver you had, although the intel sound driver is likely.
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2353[21:41:26] <jhutchins> elm_: WHat's the pciid of the radeon?
2354[21:42:19] <elm_> Caicos 01:00.1
2355[21:43:09] <jhutchins> elm_: Nope, lspci, two four character strings in brackets separated by a colon.
2356[21:43:40] <elm_> do you think the alsa-firmware-loaders package is required?
2357[21:44:47] <elm_> that is the only number lspci displays; and it displays it in the front
2358[21:44:52] <elm_> it is a very old system
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2376[21:52:47] <nifker> Is libavformat58 compatible with libavformat57?
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2378[21:57:11] <annadane> ,v libavformat57
2379[21:57:12] <judd> Package: libavformat57 on amd64 -- stretch: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1
2380[21:57:28] <annadane> are you still on stretch? 57 isn't in buster
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2385[22:01:26] <elm_> no, it is a problem of the kernel module
2386[22:01:55] <elm_> #ls -l /sys/claas/sound/card1/device : belongs to AMD graphics card
2387[22:03:18] <nifker> annadane: No I have 58 but an application is demanding 57
2388[22:04:27] <annadane> .i libavformat57
2389[22:04:40] <annadane> ,i libavformat57
2390[22:04:41] <judd> No package named 'libavformat57' was found in buster/amd64.
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2402[22:13:01] <B|ack0p> hi. xfce screen lock wasnt working so i removed xscreensaver
2403[22:13:08] <B|ack0p> now screen lock doesnt work anymore
2404[22:13:31] <B|ack0p> at panel > actions button > lock screen
2405[22:13:42] <c0rnelius> i use gnome-screensaver
2406[22:13:55] <c0rnelius> seems to work smoother
2407[22:13:56] <B|ack0p> c0rnelius: on xfce?
2408[22:13:59] <c0rnelius> mhmm
2409[22:14:04] <B|ack0p> let me try
2410[22:14:31] <B|ack0p> c0rnelius: how will i get it on button?
2411[22:14:54] <B|ack0p> on panel > actions button
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2414[22:15:32] <c0rnelius> the actual command is - gnome-screensaver-command -l
2415[22:16:02] <c0rnelius> but it just works for me, if I set it as you normally would in xfce4-settings
2416[22:16:10] <swift110> sup
2417[22:16:23] <B|ack0p> swift110: soup
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2422[22:16:41] <B|ack0p> c0rnelius: which button do you use to lock your screen?
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2427[22:18:37] <c0rnelius> i normally don't use an action button, but the default action button works. i prefer a voice command or just let the screen lock it's self.
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2434[22:22:15] <B|ack0p> c0rnelius: cool it works for me too thx
2435[22:22:22] <c0rnelius> ur welcome
2436[22:22:24] <B|ack0p> is it possible to customize the lock screen?
2437[22:22:34] <c0rnelius> i don't think so
2438[22:22:42] <c0rnelius> but i've never really tried
2439[22:22:42] <B|ack0p> grrr
2440[22:22:50] <c0rnelius> google :)
2441[22:23:09] <B|ack0p> yep :p
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2476[22:43:56] <boktan> hi i did install my nvidia drivers not have any boot problems or another problems but mentioned on this site: replaced-url
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2480[22:49:59] <towo`> boktan, why you read docs for kali linux?
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2483[22:50:46] <boktan> i dont see any difference on docs i did install with another tutorial but at the end many distro is debian based? why not?
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2486[22:51:49] <boktan> at the end with that command i on ubuntu, debian, backbox, kali linux, etc. must give an output right?
2487[22:52:48] <livebrain> debian has such a good documentation
2488[22:52:54] <livebrain> its really god
2489[22:52:55] <livebrain> good
2490[22:53:14] <towo`> boktan, no, it must not
2491[22:53:36] <towo`> boktan, espacialy if you only read parts of random docs
2492[22:53:38] <boktan> that the command not gives output means missing somethings or not?
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2494[22:54:06] <boktan> my nvidia driver if not works why i can boot and laptop is smooth?
2495[22:54:46] <livebrain> maybe because its using other drivers ?
2496[22:55:07] <towo`> if it is optimus, highly possible
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2498[22:55:20] <boktan> replaced-url
2499[22:55:27] <livebrain> replaced-url
2500[22:55:31] <towo`> and the desktop does not need a rocket
2501[22:55:32] <livebrain> its really good documentation
2502[22:55:32] <B|ack0p> still gnome-classic is beautiful..
2503[22:55:33] <boktan> yeah it is optimus hashcat -b is working too
2504[22:55:58] <towo`> boktan, you know, that on optimus the intel is driving the display?
2505[22:56:09] <towo`> so, no nvidia involved
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2508[22:56:47] <boktan> you mean also 100% im now not using the nvidia? did you check the image i sent you?
2509[22:57:20] <livebrain> what is that image supposed to say ?
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2511[22:57:29] <livebrain> that you run kali linux ?
2512[22:57:41] <towo`> boktan, and here is #debian, not #kali
2513[22:57:47] <boktan> replaced-url
2514[22:58:06] <boktan> after this image you still mean nvidia is not working now?
2515[22:58:15] <Mathisen> yes
2516[22:58:33] <Mathisen> it even says off
2517[22:58:43] <boktan> how to know it?
2518[22:58:48] <Mathisen> and ask the kali people. the repo they uses are diffrent
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2520[22:59:20] <boktan> but even on kali docs it is showing off? replaced-url
2521[22:59:46] <Mathisen> #kali-linux
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2523[23:00:27] <livebrain> i dont understand why ppl ask about kali on a debian channel lol
2524[23:00:40] <boktan> Mathisen you know that the kali room is dead room right? :D livebrain
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2526[23:00:54] <livebrain> boktan: then choose a distro that as more "support"
2527[23:00:57] <livebrain> and change to debian
2528[23:00:58] <Mathisen> boktan, you know that kali is not devbian
2529[23:01:01] <livebrain> and then ask in the room
2530[23:01:08] <boktan> but is debian based or not?
2531[23:01:16] <boktan> or windows based?
2532[23:01:16] <livebrain> why choosing a distro that you cannot get "support" for it ?
2533[23:01:29] <livebrain> boktan: lots of distros are debian based
2534[23:01:34] <boktan> yeah
2535[23:01:36] <boktan> also?
2536[23:01:37] <livebrain> but they are not debian
2537[23:02:07] <boktan> livebrain did you installed nvidia driver on your device?
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2539[23:02:31] <livebrain> no, i didnt really care about it
2540[23:02:40] <boktan> i see
2541[23:02:42] <livebrain> the "default" is enough for me
2542[23:02:55] <boktan> for me not :D
2543[23:02:55] <livebrain> but i did installed it in the past
2544[23:03:06] <livebrain> reading the documentation helped alot
2545[23:03:47] <livebrain> but im curious
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2547[23:03:55] <livebrain> why did you choose kali ?
2548[23:04:28] <boktan> many tools i need works on kali :/ but if you have so much time to disquss about it why not have time for little bit help? :D livebrain
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2551[23:04:57] <livebrain> those tools also work in debian
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2554[23:05:18] <livebrain> for users with litle experience choosing a distro that as lots of support is a good idea
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2556[23:05:32] <boktan> i did tryed but kali is more stable (i think)
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2558[23:05:41] <Mathisen> far from it
2559[23:05:47] <boktan> i dont think there is any difference if you install nvidia driver or me
2560[23:05:53] <g0zzy> Which file can i configure so that i can use xmodmap prior to the login dialog appearing?
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2562[23:06:35] <OerHeks> generally speaking kali users that seek help are subject of fun
2563[23:06:44] <jhutchins> livebrain: Little things like how drivers are configured within the installation are different between distributions. What works to fix Debian can break other distros like kali.
2564[23:07:00] <jhutchins> livebrain: The kali support people know about those differences. We do not.
2565[23:07:27] <livebrain> i agree jhutchins
2566[23:07:31] <Condor> lol, what did that notsoever smoke because I want some XD
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2570[23:08:04] <livebrain> i never really used kali, did a quick google search for it
2571[23:08:11] <livebrain> it looks a "hacker" distro lol
2572[23:08:32] <jhutchins> Ah, it's boktan, sorry livebrain
2573[23:08:41] <jhutchins> !kali
2574[23:08:41] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2575[23:08:42] <livebrain> ;P
2576[23:08:55] <towo`> but only install kali does not make the user the greatest hacker on earth
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2579[23:09:32] <jhutchins> Nothing quite says "wannabe hacker" like kali.
2580[23:09:49] <Mathisen> kali is not even ment to be used as a daily os. it is there to work with.
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2582[23:10:04] <annadane> i've seen one legitimate kali user seeking help in debian channels, the rest have been wannabe hacker types
2583[23:10:16] <livebrain> there are ppl who choose distros based on ideology, chooging kali to "hack" and not knowing how to instlal a simple driver is kinda ironic
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2585[23:10:33] * Mathisen agrees is livebrain
2586[23:10:39] <Mathisen> with*
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2588[23:10:54] <format_c> I've just upgraded to Buster. It installed flawlessly besides update-initramfs. The issue with the newer kernel my space of by /boot partition apparently isn't enough to cope the unpacking process. Once unpacked, (and archive) deleted the space is enough.
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2590[23:11:29] <format_c> Of course I need to readjust my partitions, but is there a way to temporary instruct update-initramfs to use another temporary directory to unpack the initrd image?
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2592[23:11:37] <jhutchins> format_c: Another example of why partitioning will bite you sooner or later.
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2595[23:12:16] <format_c> jhutchins: Yes and I just realized, that I should have ordered my partitions in oposite order.
2596[23:12:35] <format_c> first partition /boot then all the rest.....
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2598[23:13:18] <jhutchins> format_c: Or not partitioned your dataspace. Theoretically I suppose you could create a folder wherever you have space and do a bind mount or symlink to /boot, install, then move files around.
2599[23:13:43] <format_c> Good idea. Thanks.
2600[23:14:08] <format_c> Sometimes your mind gets blocked to get the easiest way...
2601[23:15:20] <jhutchins> format_c: If you haven't cleaned up old kernels that might be enough to do the install.
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2603[23:16:55] <format_c> unfortunately, with 100M I've been a little bit too optimistic.
2604[23:17:24] <format_c> Even when I delete the files for the currently running kernel, it fails to recreated due to out of space ;-(
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2606[23:19:13] <format_c> # df -h | grep boot
2607[23:19:15] <format_c> /dev/sda1 92M 59M 28M 68% /boot
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2609[23:19:28] <format_c> so did it with the symlink approach from you.
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2612[23:20:09] <format_c> Worked. However I need really to realign my partitions. Thanks for now. Aptitude finished now happily.
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2614[23:20:38] <jhutchins> Yay!
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2617[23:21:54] <annadane> make sure to also align your spiritual chi
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2619[23:22:11] <format_c> Well this is not a one-off task
2620[23:22:31] <format_c> And it may be worthless at all in my case ;-)
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2622[23:23:01] <format_c> Let me reboot and see if the Gparted Live CD boots up....
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2643[23:37:55] <g0zzy> Can someone please tell me when is the earliest to use xmodmap to remap keys? .xinitrc doesn't cut it - the LightDM greeter has unmapped keys
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